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I Choose…To Not Feed into Toxic Mom Groups with Army Wives’ Sally Pressman · I Choose Me with Jennie Garth

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Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Girl.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to I Choose Me, a podcast about the choices
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Speaker 2: we make to reinvent and reimagine ourselves for each stage
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Speaker 2: of life. Sally Pressman, the actress so many of you
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Speaker 2: know as Roxy LeBlanc from Army Wives, is choosing herself
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Speaker 2: right in the middle of real life in a marriage
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Speaker 2: to a fellow actor, in the juggling of friendships during
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Speaker 2: a packed season, and in the daily navigation of parenting
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Speaker 2: in an era of NonStop social media and technology. She's
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Speaker 2: doing the work in real time, not waiting for things
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Speaker 2: to slow down. For six seasons, Sally portrayed a woman
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Speaker 2: viewers connected to someone navigating love, marriage, and the emotional
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Speaker 2: weight of military life. Roxy LeBlanc felt real because she
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Speaker 2: was real, and Sally carried that responsibility with care to
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Speaker 2: Along with acting, she has stepped into a new chapter
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Speaker 2: as a beauty influencer and the face of True Botanicals
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Speaker 2: to help women choose themselves with self care. Please welcome Sally. Okay,
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Speaker 2: so you are the face of a brand new campaign
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Speaker 2: for True Botanicals. Yes, how exciting is that for you?
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Speaker 3: It was crazy? It was so exciting and I walked
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Speaker 3: into it was at Nordstrum and I walked into Nordstrum
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Speaker 3: and you know, I was like, I don't know if
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Speaker 3: it's going to be up. Where am I going to
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Speaker 3: see it? And it was like right there, and I
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Speaker 3: was like, it's crazy. I mean, it's just you know,
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Speaker 3: I've been doing acting forever and so you're used to seeing,
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Speaker 3: you know, a billboarder, like a poster for that. But
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Speaker 3: like you walk into a department store, into you know,
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Speaker 3: the skincare area and there's your face like with a
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Speaker 3: brand that you love, and it was like surreal, very surreal.
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Speaker 2: I know, the feeling. It's like a whole different. It's
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Speaker 2: very vulnerable because it's just you and your skin yes
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Speaker 2: on a giant post.
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Speaker 3: They really don't like mudge it at all, Like they
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Speaker 3: do not help a woman out, but they want it
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Speaker 3: to look real, real, and they want and they're like,
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Speaker 3: they want it to look natural so that the product
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Speaker 3: shows that it does something. And if it's like overtouched,
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Speaker 3: then it doesn't look like that I've seen yours. Yours
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Speaker 3: are stunning as well.
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Thanks.
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Speaker 2: I can recall a time though, when I did a
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Speaker 2: magazine not that long ago, and I looked at it
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Speaker 2: and I thought, who is that person?
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Speaker 1: They changed me so much? Really, I was so upset.
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Speaker 3: Did they think they were doing it in a positive way?
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Speaker 3: Did they want to like change it positively?
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Speaker 1: I guess so. I guess there was a lot wrong
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Speaker 1: with me.
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Speaker 3: There is nothing wrong with you, how rude. Nothing.
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Speaker 2: There's nothing worse when you get overtouched by someone and
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Speaker 2: then it's too late you they've already gone to print
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Speaker 2: or whatever.
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Speaker 3: And or you didn't have like photo approval or something
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Speaker 3: like it just happened.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well I love it that you're promoting a
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Speaker 2: clean beauty product.
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Speaker 3: Yes, are you big on that too? I am me too.
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Speaker 2: I want to go through my house and just like
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Speaker 2: ditch everything that's not clean.
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Speaker 3: I've done a lot of that, And you have to
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Speaker 3: do a lot of googling like is this brand clean?
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Speaker 3: And I had a lot of makeup from like twenty
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Speaker 3: years ago that I still have too in the track.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that is on my to do list
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Speaker 2: right now, go through my I have this thing.
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Speaker 3: If you want, I'll just go right over after this
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Speaker 3: because I've done all of the googling and just go
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Speaker 3: I need you I need you stuff. But I think
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Speaker 3: it's so important, especially as you get older, to make
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Speaker 3: sure that you know what the ingredients are, and especially like,
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Speaker 3: I mean, I have a lot of friends who have
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Speaker 3: been diagnosed with breast cancer and my mom's had skin
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Speaker 3: cancer a ton of times, and I'm like, those things
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Speaker 3: are not unrelated, you know, so the most like whatever
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Speaker 3: we can do to kind of clean up what we're
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Speaker 3: putting on our face and.
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Speaker 2: Because our skin is absorbing everything we put on it. Yes,
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Speaker 2: it's our largest organ.
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Speaker 3: Is that correct? You are correct?
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Speaker 1: You are correct, that's a big organ.
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Speaker 3: It's huge.
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Speaker 1: I'm a walking organ.
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Speaker 3: We are we are walking organs.
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Speaker 1: Never really thought of that.
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Speaker 2: Wait, you said your mom's battles can cancer. Yeah, how
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Speaker 2: has that been for you? Like what do you do
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Speaker 2: to ensure that you are not following in her footsteps?
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Speaker 3: Well, so this is like the interesting thing about generations, right.
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Speaker 3: My mom was you know my mom, I'm not gonna
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Speaker 3: tell when she was born because she would watch this
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Speaker 3: or listen to this and be like, what are you doing? Rude?
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Speaker 3: But she was growing up in the seventies and she
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Speaker 3: would sit outside with those like aluminum things like the reflectors,
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Speaker 3: the reflector looks like or like sit under a heat
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Speaker 3: lamp with the or like some light I had, like
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Speaker 3: some tanning light with the reflector and no sunscreen, no
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Speaker 3: SPM that was even.
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Speaker 1: In they put baby oil on the They.
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Speaker 3: Literally put an attractor, and so I think it's like,
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Speaker 3: let's start with I'm not doing any of those things.
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Speaker 2: So that's a plot you never like or like sun
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Speaker 2: got us in your teens.
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Speaker 4: I liked.
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Speaker 3: I will say I'm guilty of like I like to
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Speaker 3: get that base tam, which was all of us lying
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Speaker 3: to ourselves, just like exposing ourselves to like UV and UVB.
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Speaker 3: But I rarely burned and I definitely was never using
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Speaker 3: baby oil. So now as I've gotten older, it's SPF
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Speaker 3: every day, no matter what under the makeup, you know,
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Speaker 3: and it has to be clean and making sure it's good.
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Speaker 3: But at least thirty every day.
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Speaker 2: At least thirty Yes, good advice. I put on like
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Speaker 2: sixty seven as high as I can get it. But
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Speaker 2: they say at a certain point it doesn't matter the number.
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Speaker 2: You can only go so high.
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Speaker 3: They do say that, but like go with your savings,
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Speaker 3: feel better. I totally understand.
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Speaker 1: I'm walking around like very rare.
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Speaker 2: I'm walking around like white glue on my face.
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Speaker 3: Perfect me, perfect, That's that's exactly the amount of SPF
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Speaker 3: you should have, I think.
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Speaker 2: So do you get your skin checked annually?
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Speaker 3: Yes, all the time, and obviously all the other cancers.
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Speaker 3: But having a dermatologist who's just checking and doing you know,
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Speaker 3: I mean, they know, you know, they can like look
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Speaker 3: at something like I'm like, what is this? What is this?
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Speaker 3: Is this cancer? Is? Is this cancerus? Like? What are
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Speaker 3: these things? And she's like no, no, but are you, like,
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Speaker 3: have you developed the sun spots? Like I feel like
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Speaker 3: I've got some of the sun spots.
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Speaker 1: So I don't know if I have.
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Speaker 2: Well, I've done a lot of like work to get
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Speaker 2: rid of sun spots.
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Speaker 3: Tell me about it. What have you done?
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Speaker 1: Exfoliation?
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Speaker 2: I tried hydrocanonin that gave me nightmares.
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Speaker 3: Never heard of it. Oh you said, like a pill.
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Speaker 3: It's a topical, okay, topical and the topical gave you nightmares.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, It's soaked into my skin and gave me terrible
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Speaker 2: nightmares every night.
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Speaker 1: So I stopped using.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, we're not going to do that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, but just you know, probably a couple of
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Speaker 2: times a week I'll exfoliate, okay, and you know, just
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Speaker 2: using great products to fade anything. But I but I
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Speaker 2: do have age spots, Like I don't know, my sun
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Speaker 2: spots are kind of gone now. I have like age
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Speaker 2: spots coming in around my temples and have.
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Speaker 3: Them covered beautifulness.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Oh my try.
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Speaker 1: We all do what we can.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is it's a it's a you know,
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Speaker 2: it's an uphill battle.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're in your early mid forties.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that's exactly right. That's exactly where I like it. Yes,
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Speaker 3: that's exactly the way to do.
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Speaker 2: That is a good time of life, is it?
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Speaker 1: It is?
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Speaker 3: See, this is what I always say, is like, and
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Speaker 3: I'll say this to you know, people I know who
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Speaker 3: are thirty or twenty or my son's friend is twelve
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Speaker 3: and she is putting on makeup and skincare and she
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Speaker 3: was talking to me about her favorite skincare and she's like, well,
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Speaker 3: I love the contour from say and I was like,
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Speaker 3: why are you contouring absolutely perfect twelve year old face?
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Speaker 1: What has happened?
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Speaker 3: It's crazy? But going back to what you were saying,
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Speaker 3: is like, there's all when you're in the moment, you
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Speaker 3: feel like, oh, my god, like why is my face
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Speaker 3: doing this thing? And why do I have these things?
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Speaker 3: And I need to fix this and I need to
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Speaker 3: do this and I need to cover this. But like
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Speaker 3: you look back when you're older on that time and
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Speaker 3: you're like, oh my god, I had it made. What
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Speaker 3: are you doing?
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Speaker 2: You know, what's your sort of story around aging gracefully?
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Speaker 3: My story around is aging gracefully is I did not
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Speaker 3: believe in injectibles, Like really until right now, I still
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Speaker 3: have not done it.
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Speaker 1: I know.
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Speaker 3: Do you just laugh? Like I hope everyone saw that
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Speaker 3: or her you didn't, No one heard it, but like
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Speaker 3: she just laughed in my face. I was just kind
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Speaker 3: of like, I know, eventually I'm going to do it.
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Speaker 3: Like we're on camera all the time, and our appearance
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Speaker 3: really matters, and our business really does not applaud women
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Speaker 3: aging at all. So I knew I was going to
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Speaker 3: have to do it eventually, and I was just like,
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Speaker 3: as much as I can stave that off for as
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Speaker 3: long as I can, I'm just going to try to
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Speaker 3: do that and see, you know what happens. And as
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Speaker 3: you said, like find good products and find good skincare
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Speaker 3: and you know, go all clean and try to eat
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Speaker 3: well and do all of those things. And then now
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Speaker 3: I'm at a point where I'm like, Okay, so I
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Speaker 3: made it to this age, are we all cool? I'm
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Speaker 3: going to start doing it, you know? But I think
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Speaker 3: that so I see so much, especially like on social media,
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Speaker 3: of women and girls who are like in their twenties
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Speaker 3: getting filler and botox, and I'm.
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Speaker 2: Like, it's that all control? Do you think that's just la?
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Speaker 3: No? No, no, I don't I think that, and please
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Speaker 3: don't come for me if this is wrong, please, But
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Speaker 3: I think that like coastal cities kind of define the
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Speaker 3: trend and then everyone else fills in and it's like, oh,
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Speaker 3: that's what we're doing.
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Speaker 2: And now since they see it all, you know, immediately
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Speaker 2: on social media everywhere, it's getting to those messages are
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Speaker 2: getting to them instantly.
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Speaker 3: That that's what our face has to look like, right,
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Speaker 3: And I think because you so easily can do it,
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Speaker 3: they're like, well, what's stopping me other than the money? Right,
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Speaker 3: But like, what is stopping me from having the exact
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Speaker 3: same face as Kim Kardashian or who else? You know?
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Speaker 3: And I always kind of liked my face. I mean
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Speaker 3: I obviously had problems, you know, like we all as
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Speaker 3: women look in the mirror and we're like, oh, if
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Speaker 3: I could only just have like this be up higher,
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Speaker 3: or like if I didn't have my dad's heavy brow,
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Speaker 3: maybe whatever. But I you know, I looked in the
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Speaker 3: mirror and I was like, Yeah, it's.
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Speaker 2: Working, it's all working doing Okay.
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I'm holding up. And so now I'm kind
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Speaker 3: of like, I think I think we can do a
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Speaker 3: little touch touch in certain places.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it has to be your choice and
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Speaker 2: nobody else. I mean, people are going to criticize you
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Speaker 2: if you do it, if you don't do it, whatever.
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Speaker 3: Totally, you can't win, No, you really can't. You really can't.
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Speaker 3: So you have to do what works for you and
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Speaker 3: what makes you happy.
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Speaker 2: You are very well known for the role you played
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Speaker 2: on Army Wives, Roxy LeBlanc. Yes, that sounds like a
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Speaker 2: very fun character just by her name.
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Speaker 3: Alone, Yes, super fun.
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Speaker 1: Does she sing and dance at all?
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Speaker 3: Because that's the right But she does seem like a showgirl,
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Speaker 3: But no, she's actually she's from the wrong side of
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Speaker 3: the tracks in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Oh okay, and then she
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Speaker 3: was she had two kids from two separate guys, and
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Speaker 3: then fell in love with this very new to the army.
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Speaker 3: I think he was a pro. I think he's a
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Speaker 3: private guy. And then got brought both of her kids
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Speaker 3: into the military military life, and it was like brand
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Speaker 3: new to the military. So it was a show, a
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Speaker 3: scripted show all about the military, but she was kind
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Speaker 3: of the eyes into the world because it was brand
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Speaker 3: new to her.
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Speaker 2: I think that would be so interesting to see that perception.
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Speaker 2: What did you feel a certain responsibility to all the
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Speaker 2: actual Army wives out there? Like I would have felt like.
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Speaker 4: You want to get it right, because I felt people
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Speaker 4: are living totally.
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Speaker 3: I felt none at the beginning because I was brand new, right,
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Speaker 3: So like not just Sally was brand new to acting,
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Speaker 3: but like also my character was brand new, So this
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Speaker 3: is like, this is not representing Army wives. This is
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Speaker 3: representing someone from completely outside that world coming in that world.
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Speaker 3: But as the show went on and granted, like this
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Speaker 3: wasn't like my job because I wasn't writing it, but
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Speaker 3: I did feel and and we had a really big
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Speaker 3: following of people who were in the military, I did
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Speaker 3: feel like we had a big responsibility to portray the
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Speaker 3: stories and the people in an accurate, respectful way. For sure.
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people saw themselves in your character. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and that's what made it so relatable. Was it hard
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Speaker 2: to separate because you did that for six seasons?
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Speaker 3: Right? Yeah? It went for seven, but I most of
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Speaker 3: us left because we signed the contract, the like six
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Speaker 3: year contract, and so then we left and did our
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Speaker 3: own thing. It went for one more season and then
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Speaker 3: it got canceled. So yeah, we got to do it
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Speaker 3: for six years, which now, like you know, we're talking
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Speaker 3: about like looking back on ourselves when we were younger,
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Speaker 3: like now, me, I would look back at that girl
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Speaker 3: and be like, why are you I'm sorry, why are
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Speaker 3: you walking away from a job? What are you doing?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? What made you choose to leave at six years
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Speaker 2: when you had the option probably to go seven.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I got that job when I was twenty for
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Speaker 3: I was like brand new to acting and I had
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Speaker 3: done it, and you know we shot in Charleston, Well,
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Speaker 3: we shot in Charleston, South Carolina, which was away from
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Speaker 3: where my boyfriend then husband lived, and it was like
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Speaker 3: I had done it. We had done it for six years,
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Speaker 3: and I was like, I feel like we did it.
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Speaker 3: I feel like I did it, and I'm excited to
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Speaker 3: do other things, And I'm now in a very different
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Speaker 3: place in my career than I was when it started,
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Speaker 3: and I'd like to try other things. That being said,
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Speaker 3: you know, I wish more people had more firmly told
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Speaker 3: me what it was like outside of that show, like
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Speaker 3: when you don't have work, because I would have been like, huh,
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Speaker 3: maybe I'll just secure some more things before I walk away,
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Speaker 3: you know, I mean, yes, you do know it's a
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Speaker 3: risky choice.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what was your first thing you did after Army?
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Speaker 3: I did a pilot called Jojo and Jane, and I
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Speaker 3: shot it nine months pregnant, Okay, right after You're so tiny.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure there was a bump.
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Speaker 3: The belly was not so tiny. It was huge, and
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Speaker 3: we had to hide it because my character was not pregnant.
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Speaker 3: And so all the counters in the house that we
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Speaker 3: shot were like really high, like no one would be
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Speaker 3: able to cook anything on it or cut anything on
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Speaker 3: it because they were all here. I was walking with
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Speaker 3: a laundry bin. I had like a binder to do work,
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Speaker 3: as if anyone has.
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Speaker 1: Blocks around the binder.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Like I was working and sitting with like
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Speaker 3: a huge open binder, and like you know, they would
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Speaker 3: put I had like a six year old daughter on
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Speaker 3: the show. They would put her in front of me
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Speaker 3: all the time. It was crazy. And I remember we
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Speaker 3: were shooting one day and one of I was over
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Speaker 3: by craft service like where the food is, and I
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Speaker 3: it's eating a donut.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 3: I mean I was nine months pregnant and I want yeah,
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Speaker 3: because I wasn't getting any skinnier, that's for sure. And
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Speaker 3: one of the casting executives was like walked in and
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Speaker 3: was like, oh, can we We're still trying to hide it.
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Speaker 3: Is there a way we can It's I understand. It's
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Speaker 3: like ridiculous and atrocious, but at the same time I understand.
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Speaker 3: She was like, we're working so hard to make it
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Speaker 3: that you don't look pregnant. If you could like hold
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Speaker 3: off on the donut eating just for like three more
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Speaker 3: days of shooting, that.
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Speaker 1: Would have made me just eat more donuts.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure. I'm sure there was part of me that
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Speaker 3: was like, ah, how rude, and then I'm.
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Speaker 2: Pregnant, like yeah, get off my bag.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then another part that was like you're you're
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Speaker 3: not You're not wrong. I'll hold off, but save that
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Speaker 3: donut for me, Okay for three days?
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Speaker 2: You love what you do. You love being an actress.
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Speaker 2: That really shows, Yeah, I do. Being passionate about what
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Speaker 2: you do is vital to a happy life, you said
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Speaker 2: in a post that I read and it resonated. You said,
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Speaker 2: anyone who has followed a passion knows it is not easy.
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Speaker 2: In the time I've been acting, it has built me
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Speaker 2: up and broken me down more times than I can count.
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Speaker 2: How have you handled the highs and the lows of
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Speaker 2: this industry?
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Speaker 3: You know what's so funny about all of this is
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Speaker 3: I'm like, when do we get to the part where
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Speaker 3: I ask you the same questions, Like where I hear
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Speaker 3: what your answers are, because I'm fascinated to know what
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Speaker 3: your answers are as well. The highs who can't handle
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Speaker 3: the highs? The highs are the best thing ever. And
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Speaker 3: the highs are like you can have an amazing audition
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Speaker 3: and that feels great. The highs are like, oh, you
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Speaker 3: go to the next stage and that feels great. You know,
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Speaker 3: I recently had an audition for a show that I
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Speaker 3: would like kill to be on, and they were like,
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Speaker 3: you know, my representatives were like, they loved you. They're
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Speaker 3: keeping you in mind for something else. But they just
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Speaker 3: went with someone else. And it's like, even as long
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Speaker 3: as we've been doing this, it's like when someone says
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Speaker 3: they loved you and they're keeping you in mind for
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Speaker 3: something else, Like you hear it a million times, but
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Speaker 3: it still just feels good.
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Speaker 1: It feels good.
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Speaker 2: But I mean, I think I've gotten a little bit
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Speaker 2: jaded totally to that and thinking, oh.
18:26
Speaker 3: Okay, I know, I know, I know it's a.
18:30
Speaker 1: Terrible way to live.
18:31
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, they do say it all the time, I know,
18:35
Speaker 2: and then they just completely forget about you, completely forget
18:37
Speaker 2: about there's a million actresses.
18:40
Speaker 3: Yes, and I also feel like, yes, they say we'll
18:45
Speaker 3: keep you in mind and then totally forget about you.
18:50
Speaker 3: But isn't it so much worse if they don't say
18:53
Speaker 3: anything or don't say you did well.
18:57
Speaker 1: Or that's the thing.
18:58
Speaker 2: You don't get feedback noose days. People are just onto
19:02
Speaker 2: their next task or whatever. They're just they don't even
19:05
Speaker 2: have the decency to like be like, hey, you are great,
19:10
Speaker 2: but we are going to go in the instruction.
19:12
Speaker 3: Or like what if it's like, you know, you're taping
19:16
Speaker 3: setup is not flattering to you, Like you should change that,
19:19
Speaker 3: like literally any anything, anything, but you send your like
19:24
Speaker 3: hard work into the ether and then it just goes nowhere.
19:28
Speaker 3: So I think in relation to that, when someone is
19:32
Speaker 3: like we watched what you did. You did a good
19:35
Speaker 3: job to the point where we're going to tell you
19:38
Speaker 3: that we're going to keep you in mind, like I
19:40
Speaker 3: was like great, Like it's great to just fee something.
19:45
Speaker 3: The lows are so bad. The lows are so bad.
19:50
Speaker 3: And it really because as an actor, you're just it's
19:56
Speaker 3: weird that I'm telling you this, like, you know, I
19:58
Speaker 3: want to keep talking to you, you know, like all
20:01
Speaker 3: of this, I'm like, don't you write anybody you When
20:07
Speaker 3: you're acting, it's just you. And so it's really hard
20:12
Speaker 3: to not take it personally because it's not as if
20:15
Speaker 3: you're bringing in a bunch of props or like a
20:17
Speaker 3: bunch of animals or like something else to show, Like
20:22
Speaker 3: you're like, there's nothing else here. It's just me. So
20:26
Speaker 3: how can I not take it personally? You know what
20:29
Speaker 3: I mean? And I think as much as being rejected
20:34
Speaker 3: for like a specific job or like you know, getting
20:37
Speaker 3: down to the final two and then having it not
20:39
Speaker 3: be you, as much as that sucks, the thing that
20:42
Speaker 3: sucks even more is not even getting auditions for a while.
20:46
Speaker 2: You know, have you reached have you had that experience?
20:49
Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, And there have
20:53
Speaker 3: been so many extenuating circumstances, like whether it's COVID or
20:58
Speaker 3: the strike or whatever where the whole business shuts down.
21:02
Speaker 3: But even but like when it's not those extenuating circumstances,
21:06
Speaker 3: and you're like, I'm just going to hard reset my
21:10
Speaker 3: phone because maybe that's what's happening. I like, I don't
21:12
Speaker 3: know what's going on. And also, like you, I feel
21:18
Speaker 3: personally about myself, Like I'm like when I booked Army
21:21
Speaker 3: Wives when I was twenty four, I'm such a better
21:23
Speaker 3: actor now than I was then, And yet why is
21:27
Speaker 3: the phone not ringing off the hook? Like I don't understand.
21:30
Speaker 3: Like I know way more about hair and makeup and
21:33
Speaker 3: my skin and my body than I knew at twenty four.
21:36
Speaker 3: Like I'm also.
21:38
Speaker 1: You have more depth.
21:39
Speaker 2: A's just a human being, and it's so much easier
21:41
Speaker 2: to like sink your teeth into medior roles.
21:44
Speaker 3: Now, yes, I completely agree.
21:53
Speaker 2: Did you ever just want to run for the hills
21:55
Speaker 2: and quit completely? Yeah?
21:57
Speaker 3: But did you? And I'm gonna now just start out
22:00
Speaker 3: asking you the questions, did you feel like, what else
22:02
Speaker 3: am I going to do?
22:04
Speaker 1: Yeah?
22:05
Speaker 2: I mean especially when I was starting so young. Yes,
22:08
Speaker 2: I didn't have another skill set. I didn't go to college.
22:12
Speaker 2: I even finish high school. So that concept is.
22:16
Speaker 1: Terrifying, terrifying.
22:18
Speaker 3: And also like when I had that moment, because I
22:21
Speaker 3: was like really brung my bang bang bang bang bang
22:24
Speaker 3: until I had my first child, and it was it
22:28
Speaker 3: didn't slow until he was like six seven, so oh
22:33
Speaker 3: my god. And then you know, I hear my kids
22:36
Speaker 3: being like six seven six slow until he was six seven.
22:44
Speaker 3: And at that point, you've created a life for yourself
22:48
Speaker 3: and you are now responsible for a being. And while
22:52
Speaker 3: when he was that age, I had had my second
22:55
Speaker 3: So now you're sending your kids to school, you're responsible
22:58
Speaker 3: for your kids, and like what you're supposed to start
23:01
Speaker 3: over with two children? Like that was a skill I
23:05
Speaker 3: had established, Like that was a life I had created
23:09
Speaker 3: for myself where I could pay for our lives. You know,
23:14
Speaker 3: then I was going to I was going to say, no,
23:17
Speaker 3: I'm not going to take whatever money does possibly come
23:20
Speaker 3: in from that, and I'm going to do this other thing.
23:23
Speaker 3: But I had to start from zero, and I had
23:25
Speaker 3: to start from scratch.
23:27
Speaker 1: Was that a pivot that so you kind of made
23:29
Speaker 1: a pivot?
23:30
Speaker 3: I did? That was later? That was I feel like
23:34
Speaker 3: the pivot that I made was very recently, like it
23:38
Speaker 3: was only like three years ago. Really tell me about
23:42
Speaker 3: your pivot. Yeah, did you? Did you pivot in that
23:45
Speaker 3: way too?
23:45
Speaker 1: Yep?
23:46
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I'll just I need to start a podcast
23:50
Speaker 3: so I can just have you as a guest and
23:52
Speaker 3: ask you all the same questions. That's really what needs
23:55
Speaker 3: to happen. So the pivot came from the work going away,
24:02
Speaker 3: the audition's going away, and the lack of control and
24:07
Speaker 3: the lack of control. It's so hard when you're like,
24:10
Speaker 3: I'm very Type A. Are you Type A?
24:13
Speaker 2: I don't know what I am. I definitely, I don't
24:16
Speaker 2: know honestly.
24:17
Speaker 3: Then you're not Type A. Let me just put it
24:20
Speaker 3: right out.
24:20
Speaker 2: I think I had Type A tendency something, But you
24:24
Speaker 2: have type as chill. As I've gotten older, Type A
24:27
Speaker 2: people are, there's I have no chill. There's no chill
24:31
Speaker 2: happening anywhere at all at any time.
24:35
Speaker 3: And yeah, you lose control. And I already had a
24:40
Speaker 3: little bit of a platform because of the show and
24:43
Speaker 3: because of other work that I'd done and brands were
24:46
Speaker 3: already sending me things like that was already normal, you know,
24:49
Speaker 3: like they knew about it. I didn't really know about it.
24:52
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, And then I felt a responsibility
24:55
Speaker 3: to those brands to talk about it on my social
24:58
Speaker 3: media because I was like, they're giving me something like
25:00
Speaker 3: this is this is nice, and I do the thing
25:02
Speaker 3: where I then care about pay it forward exactly. And
25:07
Speaker 3: it wasn't until I don't even know what what the
25:11
Speaker 3: what the thing was, but something clicked where it was like, wait,
25:17
Speaker 3: you can make money doing this, Like it's not just
25:20
Speaker 3: like getting free products, but like you can make money
25:24
Speaker 3: doing this. And then I was like, okay, I need
25:26
Speaker 3: to figure out how to make money. Like if I
25:29
Speaker 3: can supplement you know, whatever acting comes in with this,
25:36
Speaker 3: then it's already it's already started. Like it's not like
25:39
Speaker 3: I had an account that had like zero followers, Like
25:41
Speaker 3: I already had something going. So I had to like
25:44
Speaker 3: do the research and figure it out and figure out
25:48
Speaker 3: what my voice was on social media, what I wanted
25:51
Speaker 3: my voice to be, what my husband and parents would
25:54
Speaker 3: like allow me to do, like as people who were
25:57
Speaker 3: involved in my life and be like that's super cringe.
26:01
Speaker 3: You cannot be like that.
26:03
Speaker 1: So your kids probably have an opinion too, they do.
26:06
Speaker 3: But they don't watch it, you know what I mean,
26:08
Speaker 3: Like they don't care. They really don't care. Your kids
26:14
Speaker 3: care because your kids are older.
26:16
Speaker 1: Yes, my kids care.
26:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, now they like you know mom, that was no.
26:20
Speaker 2: I run everything by them. And you know I said,
26:23
Speaker 2: Lola is my vice president and my company basically my
26:26
Speaker 2: entire brand. So I don't I confer with them because
26:30
Speaker 2: I really do trust their fresh perspectives and you know,
26:34
Speaker 2: I know that they would never lead me astray.
26:37
Speaker 3: I love that. That's amazing. Like again, it needs to
26:42
Speaker 3: be like mentioned and appreciated that your relationship with your
26:47
Speaker 3: daughters is as good as it is. Like, that's crazy,
26:52
Speaker 3: And you need to write a how to. It can
26:55
Speaker 3: be short or it can be long. We will all
26:57
Speaker 3: read it on how to do that is my daughter
27:01
Speaker 3: is seven. It's going to be a bumpy road.
27:04
Speaker 1: And here's the secret.
27:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell me.
27:07
Speaker 1: Stop saying it's going to be a bumpy road.
27:09
Speaker 3: Okay, that's it, yep, Okay, just.
27:13
Speaker 2: Take it day by day and enjoy enjoy the good things. Yeah,
27:19
Speaker 2: the moments when it's great and the moments when it's bad,
27:22
Speaker 2: just you know, it is what it is. This is
27:25
Speaker 2: her age, this is her brain development. There's absolutely nothing
27:28
Speaker 2: to do with me, my validity as a parent. Yeah, yeah,
27:35
Speaker 2: it's nothing. It's got nothing to do with you. It's
27:37
Speaker 2: just her development and she will get through it. But
27:39
Speaker 2: I really did find that a lot of people would say, oh, good.
27:43
Speaker 1: Luck, you got three kids, three girls. It's going to
27:46
Speaker 1: be you know, a lot of hormones all the time.
27:48
Speaker 1: It's going to be a nightmare, drama. And I just
27:51
Speaker 1: refuse to accept that.
27:52
Speaker 2: And I just really changed the narrative within my own
27:55
Speaker 2: head and said, this is going to be amazing. These
27:57
Speaker 2: girls are you know, everything to me, and I just want.
28:00
Speaker 1: To do right by them. And I just you know,
28:03
Speaker 1: that's it.
28:04
Speaker 2: Stop saying, stop buying into everybody else's story that it's
28:08
Speaker 2: going to be hard.
28:09
Speaker 3: Okay, that's easy. If that's the step that's easy to do,
28:14
Speaker 3: it really is. Yeah, And I'm just not going to
28:16
Speaker 3: take my actual story from like my life as to
28:20
Speaker 3: how I was. I'm not going to put that on her.
28:24
Speaker 2: Really really important and it's so easy to do.
28:27
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the only mother daughter experience that I have.
28:31
Speaker 3: Is my own and I was a freaking nightmare me too.
28:35
Speaker 3: Like I think I entered the teens before I actually
28:38
Speaker 3: was a teenager. Like my mom was like, this is
28:41
Speaker 3: this is early She's an early, early, early developer. Yeah,
28:45
Speaker 3: I was very precocious in my bitchiness.
28:47
Speaker 2: Sure, well that's a skill, and that probably took you
28:51
Speaker 2: to you know, being an actress.
28:53
Speaker 3: Probably probably. It definitely was feeding the drama for sure. Yeah,
28:58
Speaker 3: there was no question.
28:59
Speaker 2: And that's the thing, like you, we think in our minds,
29:02
Speaker 2: oh god, I'm destined to experience what my.
29:06
Speaker 1: Mom experienced, right me for sure?
29:07
Speaker 3: Karma?
29:08
Speaker 2: Right, you think karma, and it does come, it does
29:12
Speaker 2: come up here and there.
29:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, but.
29:16
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to like it doesn't have to be
29:19
Speaker 2: passed down to your your children.
29:21
Speaker 1: No.
29:21
Speaker 3: And also, my daughter has half of my husband's jeans,
29:27
Speaker 3: and he's very nice, So there is a chance that
29:32
Speaker 3: that just takes over. And he didn't give anyone any
29:37
Speaker 3: trouble as he was growing up, so that it could
29:41
Speaker 3: be just that.
29:42
Speaker 2: It could be because they're not one hundred percent no,
29:45
Speaker 2: thank god God, noah, exactly, I mean inevitably they will
29:51
Speaker 2: be in therapy.
29:52
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, because of us.
29:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, And don't you say that all the time. I'm like,
29:55
Speaker 3: add it to my therapy bill. Just just add it
29:58
Speaker 3: to the bill. I it's already started. Just it's fine.
30:02
Speaker 1: Speaking of drama. Okay, let's talk about toxic mom groups.
30:06
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Okay, this.
30:08
Speaker 2: Is something that's been in the news lately very much.
30:11
Speaker 2: People are talking about it. Yes, Ashley Tisdale is talking
30:14
Speaker 2: about Meghan Trainer.
30:16
Speaker 3: Yep, they're in the same mom group. That's the same group. Really, yes,
30:21
Speaker 3: So that, like, I love that I can fill you
30:23
Speaker 3: in on this.
30:24
Speaker 1: Fill me.
30:25
Speaker 3: I'm saying that Ashley and Meghan trainor same group. Okay
30:31
Speaker 3: with this, It's so funny that we're talking about this
30:34
Speaker 3: with Hillary Duff and Mandy Moore and it was Ashley
30:39
Speaker 3: Tisdale like that came out. I think it was in
30:42
Speaker 3: the cut with this article about her toxic mom group.
30:46
Speaker 3: But the crazy thing is that mom group is so
30:48
Speaker 3: high profile and they were so public and there were
30:51
Speaker 3: so many posts about it that it's not like me
30:54
Speaker 3: coming out with my mom group. It's like, we know
30:58
Speaker 3: who your mom group is. Like when you say like, oh,
31:01
Speaker 3: toxic moms, like we know who all the other moms are.
31:04
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I didn't even realize they were all
31:06
Speaker 2: in the same mom Yes, so are they talking about
31:08
Speaker 2: one another?
31:09
Speaker 4: Yes?
31:11
Speaker 3: Yes, it's so crazy, it's so crazy.
31:14
Speaker 2: And so then.
31:16
Speaker 3: So then I I kind of dabbled in that topic
31:20
Speaker 3: on social media and the number of women who commented
31:24
Speaker 3: back and were like, this is a huge thing. Oh
31:27
Speaker 3: my god, the toxic moms like and not just in
31:30
Speaker 3: LA but all over And I mean, I've had my
31:35
Speaker 3: experience with it. Have you? Did you have your experience
31:37
Speaker 3: with it? I I protected myself from it, I really
31:42
Speaker 3: but you felt it or you saw it.
31:44
Speaker 2: I knew it was it was going to happen if
31:47
Speaker 2: I did join those mom groups and I just never did.
31:50
Speaker 3: I wasn't join. No, did you have but you had
31:53
Speaker 3: mom friends A couple very you like, were like very
31:57
Speaker 3: select carry picked. Yes, yes, yes, And I think like
32:03
Speaker 3: the difference, let's say, between your first kid and the
32:06
Speaker 3: way that you choose friends with your first kid versus
32:09
Speaker 3: your second or your third. I guess like when I
32:14
Speaker 3: got to my second and I was going through school circuits,
32:16
Speaker 3: I was like, don't have time. I do not have
32:20
Speaker 3: time to make friends. If you come into my circle, Like,
32:23
Speaker 3: if you come into my immediate sphere. If your kid
32:26
Speaker 3: is hanging out with my kid and you seem like
32:29
Speaker 3: a cool person, like a nice person, will totally be friends.
32:33
Speaker 3: I'm not seeking anything out. I don't need anything more.
32:38
Speaker 3: But with my son, you're like, who can help me?
32:42
Speaker 3: Who can advise me on this?
32:44
Speaker 1: Like who knows?
32:45
Speaker 3: You know, you really are seeking it out. But back
32:50
Speaker 3: to the toxic moms. I don't understand why women are
32:55
Speaker 3: doing it, why they are toxic, why they are making
33:00
Speaker 3: other women feel bad about them.
33:02
Speaker 2: It takes you back to high school days, yes, grade
33:05
Speaker 2: school days even, Yes, what's the point.
33:08
Speaker 3: What is the point? Like, what do you get from
33:11
Speaker 3: making someone feel bad about themselves?
33:14
Speaker 1: It's just like not being included.
33:16
Speaker 2: I think that's so herwerful, Like when you know moms
33:20
Speaker 2: do the mommy groups and they break off, Yeah, and
33:23
Speaker 2: then you're you're not include included. Yeah that's like, oh,
33:29
Speaker 2: well that must be a reflection of me.
33:32
Speaker 1: You kind of take it personally, You for.
33:34
Speaker 3: Sure have to take it personally. It's like the acting
33:36
Speaker 3: thing again, Like what else are you going to take personally?
33:39
Speaker 3: You know? And I don't. I mean I can understand
33:44
Speaker 3: how maybe you're like, well, every time we hang out
33:49
Speaker 3: it doesn't need to be with everyone, right, I guess,
33:52
Speaker 3: I guess that's the justification. But at the same time,
33:56
Speaker 3: if you're if you're if there are like six of
33:59
Speaker 3: you and you're only out to coffee with like five,
34:03
Speaker 3: it's obvious that you're only leaving one out. And I
34:07
Speaker 3: just feel like, I just feel like we don't need
34:10
Speaker 3: to make anyone feel like that. But it's hard enough.
34:14
Speaker 2: What if you get into a situation and I can
34:16
Speaker 2: speaking from my experience, where you test the waters, you
34:20
Speaker 2: kind of join in a little bit, and then you
34:22
Speaker 2: feel like this isn't right for me, how do you
34:25
Speaker 2: get out?
34:26
Speaker 3: I just go away, just go I'm just busy. I mean,
34:31
Speaker 3: I feel like they're going to set what's going to
34:35
Speaker 3: happen is you're you'll pull back and then they'll just
34:39
Speaker 3: start talking about you behind your back and like why
34:42
Speaker 3: you're not saying yes to the things, And I mean
34:46
Speaker 3: they also have to feel it that you're not, you know,
34:50
Speaker 3: talking about the things that they're talking about and prioritizing.
34:54
Speaker 3: I feel like I feel like most of the time
34:56
Speaker 3: it's like we can just agreat a part like we're
34:59
Speaker 3: not right, Like we can all just it's fine, Like
35:02
Speaker 3: you do your thing. I'm not in that thing. That's
35:05
Speaker 3: totally fine, and I'm just going to go over here
35:06
Speaker 3: and I'm going to try and find my people. Right.
35:09
Speaker 3: But I think then maybe something that happens is and
35:12
Speaker 3: I think this is at the root of all of it,
35:14
Speaker 3: is just insecurity. And the fact is we're all insecure.
35:18
Speaker 3: Like none of us. There's no there's no instruction manual
35:24
Speaker 3: for being a parent or having kids or like living life.
35:28
Speaker 2: So it's like maintaining friendships when you have kids. Yeah,
35:31
Speaker 2: that's tricky, because super tricky. Certain friends just kind of
35:34
Speaker 2: dwindle away because you don't relate.
35:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, they can't.
35:38
Speaker 1: They don't understand what you're dealing with.
35:40
Speaker 3: When they don't you mean, when they don't have kids. Yeah,
35:44
Speaker 3: and then anytime you bring up kids, that can be annoying.
35:48
Speaker 1: Or yeah, like I don't really want to hear about
35:50
Speaker 1: her kids.
35:51
Speaker 3: We always have to talk about her kids. I'm sorry,
35:55
Speaker 3: it's ninety nine point nine percent of my life. I
35:57
Speaker 3: don't know what they're telling you.
35:59
Speaker 2: You need to get that percentage down first of all. Really,
36:02
Speaker 2: and that's where I choose me comes in. Yes, I
36:06
Speaker 2: think especially women with young kids like yourself. Yeah, don't
36:10
Speaker 2: choose themselves enough, don't take the time, don't schedule them
36:13
Speaker 2: their own well being into that busy, busy calendar.
36:18
Speaker 3: I think I'm I think I'm okay at it.
36:21
Speaker 1: How do you do it?
36:24
Speaker 3: I really value working.
36:28
Speaker 2: That's the first thing, Like individuality, that's your love for
36:32
Speaker 2: what you do.
36:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I love working. And I also I tell
36:37
Speaker 3: my kids, like, this is how you get to do things,
36:41
Speaker 3: you know, like you want to do this camp, you
36:44
Speaker 3: want to go on this trip, like mom and Dad
36:47
Speaker 3: have to work. This is the way of the world. Also,
36:52
Speaker 3: when I work and I'm not with you, I come
36:54
Speaker 3: back and I'm like a fuller, richer person. Yes, and
37:00
Speaker 3: we get to sit down at the dinner table or
37:02
Speaker 3: like on the couch and like or in your bed,
37:04
Speaker 3: and you get to tell me about your day because
37:06
Speaker 3: I wasn't there through every second of it. And I
37:10
Speaker 3: get to tell you about my day. And So if
37:12
Speaker 3: I say to you, like I can't do that right now.
37:15
Speaker 3: I have to be over here and I have to
37:18
Speaker 3: do this work. Someone's counting on me. And you know
37:22
Speaker 3: I am responsible for this work that.
37:24
Speaker 1: I have to do.
37:26
Speaker 3: That shows I believe that shows them Like another very
37:31
Speaker 3: important part of life and that Mommy's not just mommy,
37:36
Speaker 3: Mommy's also Sally.
37:38
Speaker 2: Do you feel like that too, Yeah, definitely. I feel
37:40
Speaker 2: like it's important that they see you wanting to work,
37:44
Speaker 2: like they see you interested in furthering your whatever it is,
37:49
Speaker 2: your knowledge of something, learning about things, or sharing things
37:54
Speaker 2: using your platform. I wanted to talk to you about
37:56
Speaker 2: your platform. Actually, you when we talked about the pivot,
38:00
Speaker 2: you're talking about influencing that you know, influencing I guess.
38:04
Speaker 1: Is what it's called now?
38:05
Speaker 3: I know maybe yeah, that word, yeap, totally.
38:09
Speaker 1: What's another word? We could call it?
38:11
Speaker 3: Content creator?
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Speaker 1: Okay? That but also official?
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Speaker 3: Icky, I know, but we are official, Jenny, We're superficial.
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Speaker 1: I'm just winging it.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this rack of your clothing line would beg
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Speaker 3: to differ that you are not official. It's very official
38:29
Speaker 3: over here.
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Speaker 1: I try.
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Speaker 2: Can anyone start influencing? Can anyone start a business where
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Speaker 2: they actually make an income as an influencer?
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Speaker 1: Do you think?
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Speaker 3: I think so? I'd like to think so. I think
38:51
Speaker 3: you have to figure out what your space is, like,
38:55
Speaker 3: what is your niche? You know, like, what what is
39:00
Speaker 3: what is your area of expertise? Why are people listening
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Speaker 3: to you, and you have to. I mean, honestly, you
39:09
Speaker 3: just have to have perseverance because social media is almost
39:13
Speaker 3: as punishing and relentless as our other career that we have.
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Speaker 1: We know how to pick up, we really do.
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Speaker 2: We're like, We're like, how do you do it?
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Speaker 1: How do you keep creating content?
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Speaker 2: How do you come up with relatable ideas and like?
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Speaker 2: Because how often do you create your content?
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Speaker 3: Like posts?
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Speaker 1: Every day? You post daily?
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Speaker 3: I try to. There are some weeks where I just
39:37
Speaker 3: get so down, like the whole thing just like bombards me.
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Speaker 1: Who films your stuff? I film?
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Speaker 3: And then my husband Okay, I was.
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Speaker 1: Wondering if he was involved.
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Speaker 3: He's involved.
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Speaker 1: He supports this.
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Speaker 3: He's so supportive. I mean again, we go back to
39:52
Speaker 3: his gene pool. He's the most supportive. He's also, you know,
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Speaker 3: in our business. He's not in the social media business,
40:01
Speaker 3: but he's like actor writer. He's shot stuff before.
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Speaker 2: That comes in handy, so handy, your Instagram husband.
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Speaker 3: My Instagram husband, and so he will film stuff. He'll
40:18
Speaker 3: help me brainstorm ideas.
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Speaker 1: Oh I love that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very helpful.
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Speaker 2: Especially when you're like at the breaking point, you're up
40:27
Speaker 2: against the wall and you just are like I've been there.
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Speaker 1: Like what what am I going to say?
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Speaker 2: What this?
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Speaker 1: Nothing is interesting? I'm such a boring person.
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Speaker 2: I know.
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Speaker 1: I will tell you.
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Speaker 3: I will tell you you're not. I love your content,
40:43
Speaker 3: everything you put out there, Like I would literally watch
40:46
Speaker 3: you wash your face so just so you know, like
40:49
Speaker 3: when you're having one of those down moments, like I
40:52
Speaker 3: would watch you wash your face or like just put
40:54
Speaker 3: on one of these shirts that like I'm thrilled.
40:58
Speaker 2: I love it.
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Speaker 3: And I think that's that they is like once you
41:01
Speaker 3: have a following, those people will watch you do anything
41:06
Speaker 3: and there's not and and I am those people for myself,
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Speaker 3: but for you or for me Like creators. That's what
41:14
Speaker 3: we are. We're creators.
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Speaker 2: It's like momentarily like a momentary break, yeah, from our lives. Yes,
41:21
Speaker 2: when we get to watch somebody else just living their lives. Yes.
41:26
Speaker 3: And I think the way that I the way that
41:29
Speaker 3: I create content when it's not like for a specific
41:33
Speaker 3: brand and a specific product, is I now look at
41:38
Speaker 3: my life as like tiny stories. Okay, you know, like
41:44
Speaker 3: I'll go through my day and I'm like, is this
41:46
Speaker 3: a story people other people are living and might want
41:49
Speaker 3: to see through? Like my lens or maybe a funny lens,
41:52
Speaker 3: like is this a funny Story's funny?
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Speaker 2: I like it.
41:55
Speaker 3: I have to I have to do it. I have
41:59
Speaker 3: to do the funny because you know, I the world
42:04
Speaker 3: is so dark and so not pleasing, like and what
42:08
Speaker 3: I loved when I was acting was the funny. So
42:13
Speaker 3: it's like it's a way that I am not just
42:17
Speaker 3: a marketer, but I'm still acting. That's what I love
42:21
Speaker 3: about about the platform, And like what I've built is
42:25
Speaker 3: like I still get to do some acting. Now I'm
42:28
Speaker 3: doing some writing. It's weird, but like I guess I'm
42:32
Speaker 3: doing that.
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Speaker 2: Also, And you're you're the DP and the I'm the DP.
42:37
Speaker 3: I'm the talent. I'm also I'm also a wardrobe. I
42:41
Speaker 3: also edit. Do you edit yours?
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Speaker 2: I have.
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Speaker 3: I sit there at night after I put my kids
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Speaker 3: to bed, editing all.
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Speaker 1: Of my stuff. It's really time consuming.
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Speaker 3: It is crazy time consuming. And I had I was
42:55
Speaker 3: at a dinner with not toxic mom friends but like
42:58
Speaker 3: actually my mom friends and a few of them have
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Speaker 3: like real, real jobs, and we were talking about our
43:06
Speaker 3: daughters and like what our daughters are going to do
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Speaker 3: when they get older, like as careers, and one of
43:11
Speaker 3: my friends who has a real, real job, was like, Oh,
43:14
Speaker 3: my daughter said she wants to be an influencer, and
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Speaker 3: I'm like no, And there was like the two women
43:19
Speaker 3: with the real jobs were like talking about how god
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Speaker 3: her daughter can't be an influencer. And I was sitting
43:24
Speaker 3: there and I was like, they to think of myself
43:28
Speaker 3: as an influence?
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Speaker 1: Do they have any realization that you were having feelings
43:32
Speaker 1: about me? Not really? Not really?
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Speaker 3: And I was like and in my head, I was like,
43:40
Speaker 3: I was like, well, instead of looking at it the
43:43
Speaker 3: way you're you guys are describing it right now, it
43:46
Speaker 3: could be that your daughter is writing her own content,
43:50
Speaker 3: coming up with her own concepts, filming it, acting in it,
43:55
Speaker 3: and editing it and then selling it to brands. So basically,
43:59
Speaker 3: she's like a one woman production company, which you guys
44:03
Speaker 3: are you know, you woman, you friend are in the
44:06
Speaker 3: entertainment industry, and she could be like her own production
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Speaker 3: company and including actress in it. But yeah, totally, that
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Speaker 3: would be horrible if she were an influencer. I totally
44:17
Speaker 3: agree with you.
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Speaker 1: That's so good. Okay, So.
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Speaker 2: We have had the greatest discussion. I have loved chatting
44:27
Speaker 2: with you, getting to know you. I feel like we're,
44:31
Speaker 2: you know, very simpatico. Yes, Okay, I have one final question. Okay,
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Speaker 2: Sally Pressman, what was your last I Choose me moment?
44:41
Speaker 2: I get very serious in tone when I asked them,
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Speaker 2: I know.
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Speaker 3: Because it is a very serious question. I think. I
44:49
Speaker 3: regularly build I Choose Me moments in when I ask
44:56
Speaker 3: my husband to take the kids for a little and
45:02
Speaker 3: I do something for myself.
45:04
Speaker 4: Whether that is a workout or a shower, when I
45:10
Speaker 4: wash my hair and then you add the moisturizer and
45:14
Speaker 4: then luxury.
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Speaker 3: I do like a leaven conditioner. Yeah, as I was
45:22
Speaker 3: saying that, so I build in those little I Choose
45:24
Speaker 3: me moments. And I am lucky enough to have a
45:26
Speaker 3: partner who was like, yes, I recognize you do a lot.
45:30
Speaker 3: You need some time, and I'm going to take the
45:33
Speaker 3: kids and that's totally fine. One choose me moment that
45:37
Speaker 3: I had to be like, it's a week night, it's
45:39
Speaker 3: a school night. Can I please go over to my
45:42
Speaker 3: friend's house with three of my other friends and can
45:46
Speaker 3: we watch the last episode of Heated Rivalry together? And
45:53
Speaker 3: my husband was like yes, And I just went over
45:57
Speaker 3: to her house and we were in there like TV
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Speaker 3: room and there were four four of us just like
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Speaker 3: shrieking and crying and watching this show. Have you watched it? No?
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Speaker 1: He did?
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Speaker 3: What is it? It's six episodes, It's on HBO. It's
46:14
Speaker 3: about two rival ice hockey players to mail.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I know. Oh there's a lot of hype.
46:21
Speaker 3: There so much hype. Like you have to watch it. Okay,
46:24
Speaker 3: you have to watch it. And if you need me
46:27
Speaker 3: to come over to watch the final episode with you,
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Speaker 3: I will do it.
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Speaker 1: I'm giving you my phone number.
46:32
Speaker 3: Give give me your phone number, because you will be like,
46:35
Speaker 3: what am I watching? What am I watching? For two
46:37
Speaker 3: episodes and then I'll be like, just stay with it,
46:40
Speaker 3: stay with it, get to episode three, stay with it,
46:42
Speaker 3: and then you'll be like, okay, episode three was different,
46:46
Speaker 3: and then four, five, six will just bring you into
46:50
Speaker 3: this like just vortex of I can't get out of this.
46:55
Speaker 3: This is the most amazing thing I've ever watched.
46:57
Speaker 2: And I'm in anyway, you went to the watch it
46:59
Speaker 2: with your girlfriends.
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Speaker 3: That was the I Choose me moment. I literally asked
47:04
Speaker 3: for that and I got it and it was amazing.
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Speaker 1: Oh I love that.
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Speaker 3: I can't wait for you to have that moment.
47:09
Speaker 1: Well, it'll be my next I Choose Me.
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Speaker 3: That's going to be your next moment. Yes, it has
47:13
Speaker 3: to be. You're gonna love it.
47:15
Speaker 2: I do want to remind people that they can follow
47:18
Speaker 2: you on your Yeah journey, they can on your platform.
47:22
Speaker 2: Tell them your your what is it called your my handle?
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Speaker 3: Oh?
47:25
Speaker 1: Your handle?
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Speaker 3: Okay, I think that's what it's called. Yeah, Sally pr
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Speaker 3: eight one.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for being here, Thanks for having me you guys.
47:33
Speaker 2: I'm very excited to share that my book, I Choose
47:36
Speaker 2: Me Chasing Joy, Finding Purpose and Embracing reinvention is coming
47:42
Speaker 2: April fourteenth, and it would mean the world to me
47:45
Speaker 2: if you would pre order a copy or the audiobook
47:49
Speaker 2: wherever you get your books. And yes, I am definitely
47:53
Speaker 2: narrating the audiobook, so it's going to be so fun.