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Vax Injured Have Hope in Japan · Booker Scott: Truth Be Told

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  Speaker 1: It's time for The Truth Be Told with Booker Scott.
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  Speaker 3: Thousands of people still suffer today from vaccine injuries taken
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  Speaker 3: from the COVID vaccine. Before that, there were vaccine injuries
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  Speaker 3: of many types. What is the answer? How do we
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  Speaker 3: get help with this? Because I've had many people on
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  Speaker 3: this program that have suffered from vaccine injuries. I've also
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  Speaker 3: had someone a few times who works in that field.
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  Speaker 3: Her name is Dr. Irene Mavrikakis. She's a friend of mine,
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  Speaker 3: an associate, a colleague in Liberty, and we have her
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  Speaker 3: back on the program tonight. I'm Booker, and this is
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  Speaker 3: The Truth Be Told. Irene, Dr. Irene Mavrikakis, welcome back
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  Speaker 3: to the program. It's great to have you.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Booker. Well, thank you so much for having me
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  Speaker 2: on to discuss this important topic.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is important. And you know, when the COVID
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  Speaker 3: vaccine came out, and I think died suddenly, the whole
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  Speaker 3: died suddenly thing, I think it kind of wasn't real helpful.
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  Speaker 3: Because so many people thought that if you took the
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  Speaker 3: vaccine that you died. So many people thought if you
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  Speaker 3: took the vaccine, then you got myocarditis. And that's really
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  Speaker 3: just not even close to the truth. But I think
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  Speaker 3: there are people that still believe that. And I think
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  Speaker 3: in some ways, people that claim to have a vaccine
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  Speaker 3: injury from COVID vaccine or any others. I believe that
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  Speaker 3: clouded the water for those people because you and I,
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  Speaker 3: it's your business. It's what you do in the medical field.
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  Speaker 3: And I've had people on this program before that suffer
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  Speaker 3: from the COVID vaccine injury. We know that it's real
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  Speaker 3: and it's affecting people's lives. And I think all of
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  Speaker 3: that died suddenly stuff. I think it kind of hurt
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  Speaker 3: the people that are really hurt from vaccine injuries. And
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  Speaker 3: I've said this before when you've been on the program,
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  Speaker 3: you are someone that was vax injured yourself many years ago.
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  Speaker 3: This was going back 13, 14 years ago. Since that time,
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  Speaker 3: you have made it a part of your practice. And
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  Speaker 3: now you're trying to get into it a little bit
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  Speaker 3: deeper to try to find some answers for these people
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  Speaker 3: that were injured during the COVID vaccine.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you make some good points. Yeah, I was
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  Speaker 2: vaccine injured in 2012 and was really sick for over
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  Speaker 2: eight years and found my way back to health from
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  Speaker 2: a combination of allopathic medicine and complementary and alternative medicine
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  Speaker 2: and some interesting nutritional changes. But I was a frequent
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  Speaker 2: flyer in the emergency room for a long time. And inadvertently,
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  Speaker 2: through my practice as an interventional spine and musculoskeletal specialist
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  Speaker 2: over the years, vaccine injured patients will present as musculoskeletal
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  Speaker 2: or neurological pain, things like CIDP, which is chronic immune
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  Speaker 2: demyelinating polyneuropathy. It presents with pain and weakness in the legs,
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  Speaker 2: but often they get referred for a spine condition. And
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  Speaker 2: so over the years, I wound up figuring it out
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  Speaker 2: that some of these people have vaccine injury. There's a
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  Speaker 2: condition called adhesive capsulitis or frozen shoulder, but some of
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  Speaker 2: these people, the timeline is three weeks to three months
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  Speaker 2: after a vaccine. And it's really shoulder injury related to
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  Speaker 2: vaccine administration or called server. And it's a compensable vaccine
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  Speaker 2: injury on the traditional vaccine adverse event reporting system vaccine injury.
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  Speaker 2: which of course we have this healthcare compensation fund to
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  Speaker 2: pay injuries because vaccine makers have product liability protection from
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  Speaker 2: a 1986 law. So you make a lot of good
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  Speaker 2: points to the extent by which if we focus too
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  Speaker 2: much on the people dying from them. But what I've
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  Speaker 2: been saying to people recently, and I think this is
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  Speaker 2: a good point, and you can tell me if you
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  Speaker 2: think it is or not.
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  Speaker 3: You know I will.
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  Speaker 2: If you all can accept people on daily medications, that
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  Speaker 2: come into my office and they talk about, I think
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  Speaker 2: I'm having a side effect. And if we're supposed to
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  Speaker 2: explain risks and benefits and side effects of medications, and
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  Speaker 2: we acknowledge that patients have side effects from oral medications
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  Speaker 2: and doctors take patients off of medications all the time
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  Speaker 2: from side effects. Not just allergy, which is a whole
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  Speaker 2: other thing, because there's an allergy component with these vaccines
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  Speaker 2: that can happen in the patients. And there's a histamine-related
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  Speaker 2: vaccine adverse reaction. And we acknowledge all of that. So
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand what kind of cognitive dissonance the world has,
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  Speaker 2: or my physician colleagues for the most part, to think
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  Speaker 2: that injecting something into a human or a baby can't
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  Speaker 2: possibly have side effects that we'd want to assess, diagnose,
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  Speaker 2: and treat. So I don't understand what is wrong with
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  Speaker 2: the world regards to this. I don't know why everybody
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  Speaker 2: has their head in the sand about it. But if
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  Speaker 2: we acknowledge it for something taken orally, it's much more
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  Speaker 2: an offensive event to the human body when you inject something.
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  Speaker 3: I can't push back because I agree with everything you said.
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  Speaker 3: A vaccine is nothing more than a medicine. And if
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  Speaker 3: you watch television and you see these 30-second commercials for
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  Speaker 3: pharmaceutical companies and new medications, It's 25 seconds of a disclaimer,
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  Speaker 3: and most of which I don't want any of those
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  Speaker 3: side effects. And if you only listen to the side
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  Speaker 3: effects that come with most of these medications, you probably
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't take the medication either. But I guess sometimes we
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  Speaker 3: need the medication to keep us alive. And I guess
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  Speaker 3: some would argue that these vaccines are maybe in that category.
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  Speaker 3: I know some people argue that. I know some are
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  Speaker 3: against them totally. I don't necessarily think that's the best idea,
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  Speaker 3: I think. There are some good vaccines. They have been
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  Speaker 3: proven like polio through the years that they're good vaccines.
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  Speaker 3: But even those have side effects. And for some reason,
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  Speaker 3: like you said, the medical professionals, they buried their head
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  Speaker 3: in the sand or didn't want to talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: Who knows why, whether it was political coming from up
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  Speaker 3: above the pharmaceutical companies. Wherever it was, they didn't want
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  Speaker 3: to admit what was actually happening. And when you give
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  Speaker 3: as many people as we did a shot, a vaccine,
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  Speaker 3: then you're going to see big numbers. And we saw
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  Speaker 3: big numbers, whether it was people dying, turbo cancers now.
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  Speaker 3: Then people that you work with every day, those that
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  Speaker 3: have been vaccine injured, and I've had them on the
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  Speaker 3: show before, and they've talked about, well, literally within 24
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  Speaker 3: hours of taking the COVID vaccine, they were feeling it.
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  Speaker 3: They knew something was wrong. They were becoming sick, and
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  Speaker 3: they really don't have any solutions and answers for them.
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  Speaker 3: But that's what you're trying to work on is finding
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  Speaker 3: a cure for these people. And many of them are
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  Speaker 3: walking around in society today that are still suffering from
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  Speaker 3: the vaccine injury from COVID. What you are doing right
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  Speaker 3: now is the Vaccine Injury Treatment Center of Excellence and Research.
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  Speaker 3: This is a clinical trial consortium that you're putting together,
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  Speaker 3: Liberty Speaks is, and you are working with many doctors.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's over 50 that you have put together
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  Speaker 3: to try to work something out to try to help
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  Speaker 3: these people. Talk about it a little bit. Talk about
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  Speaker 3: what you're trying to accomplish here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the point of the consortium is that we
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  Speaker 2: already have doctors and allied health professionals involved. who have
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  Speaker 2: been treating both the COVID vaccine injury, and COVID vaccine
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  Speaker 2: is really a biologic, but we won't get stuck on that,
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  Speaker 2: and long COVID, which is all in the same spectrum,
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  Speaker 2: and then the other types of vaccine injuries, some of
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  Speaker 2: them for more than a decade. But we don't have
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  Speaker 2: clinical trials for the most part. And it's interesting, if
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  Speaker 2: we want to say that the medical freedom movement and
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  Speaker 2: truth in medicine movement is about science, then we have
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  Speaker 2: to have clinical trials, A, because we have to show
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  Speaker 2: the data and demonstrate that it's efficacious. And then we
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  Speaker 2: have to be able to share that so we can
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  Speaker 2: give treatment more broadly across the country. So the treatment
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  Speaker 2: for vaccine injury, and I lived it myself, and it's
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  Speaker 2: still the case, is very haphazard. It's difficult. It's not standardized.
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  Speaker 2: So a lot of the protocols, and we can go
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  Speaker 2: through them, have been used by various physicians for treatment
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  Speaker 2: for a long time, but we don't have the clinical trials.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the point to talk about is, you know, well,
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  Speaker 2: why wouldn't they have rushed to do clinical trials either
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  Speaker 2: recently or previously? And I have been bothering the administration
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  Speaker 2: through public and internal channel because what I wanted was
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  Speaker 2: a National Institute of Health Vaccine Injury Center treatment and
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  Speaker 2: consortium so that we would go through the NIH.
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  Speaker 3: Irene, is there not a place where these different treatments
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  Speaker 3: are aggregated so that others can see what other doctors
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  Speaker 3: are doing? Is that a part of the problem as well?
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. So these doctors in the consortium, and there's
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  Speaker 2: others that we haven't brought in, which we're working on,
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  Speaker 2: are all across the country doing their protocols. And they
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  Speaker 2: have data. You know, they are paying attention to their
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  Speaker 2: own data. And they are showing a lot of positive
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  Speaker 2: results both in symptomatology, the patient's symptoms, and in laboratory values,
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  Speaker 2: which is why I formed the consortium. And there's no...
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  Speaker 2: ability currently in the political climate of the current administration
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  Speaker 2: for a vaccine injury treatment center and clinical trial consortium
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  Speaker 2: to come out of the NIH. I It's not happening
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  Speaker 2: right now. And so as a libertarian, I made a
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  Speaker 2: decision maybe six months ago that we don't really need
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  Speaker 2: the government to do clinical trials. And I need to
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  Speaker 2: expand on that because you kind of do. the way
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  Speaker 2: things are right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's three different ways for clinical trials. So talk
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  Speaker 3: about that a little bit because it's not cheap to do.
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  Speaker 3: You're doing a fundraiser and you're doing really well on
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  Speaker 3: that fundraiser too, by the way. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 3: about that, give people an opportunity to maybe help you
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  Speaker 3: out if they feel like it's something they want to do.
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  Speaker 3: But talk about that process, the approval, the IRB approval process.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so... Well, let me go back to the three
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  Speaker 2: ways to run clinical trials. So there's industry-funded, which is
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  Speaker 2: like pharma industry-funded, and they're significantly more likely to get
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  Speaker 2: published and often show positive results. So that's like big pharma,
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  Speaker 2: like industry pharma. I don't really think we're going to
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  Speaker 2: get funding from big pharma, at least not the traditional
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  Speaker 2: big pharma.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't think so, no.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's academic centers, but they're very much about
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  Speaker 2: publish and perish. And there's a lot of influences. It
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  Speaker 2: would be unlikely for us to do that. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we're open to going to all these pathways and then self-funded,
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  Speaker 2: very rare programs. And there's two aspects of where you
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  Speaker 2: need to get the money from. So the first basic
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  Speaker 2: thing that we need to do is IRB, Institutional Review
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  Speaker 2: Board Approval. So we're working with an independent IRB. And
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  Speaker 2: what that is, is really a group of people approve
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  Speaker 2: it more from like, is this... Is it the protocol
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  Speaker 2: given informed consent? Is human subject treatment appropriate and ethical
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  Speaker 2: and follows all the code of ethics? You know, that
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  Speaker 2: kind of should this even be done? And so the
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  Speaker 2: review board typically costs around thirty five hundred dollars per
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  Speaker 2: clinical trial just to get approval to proceed with. And
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  Speaker 2: you're never going to get grants from anywhere if you
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  Speaker 2: don't have IRB approval. You can't do the clinical trial.
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  Speaker 3: So that's sort of the first step. The first step
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  Speaker 3: then is that, and it costs $ 3, 500 just to get
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  Speaker 3: into the door, just to get this approval. And then
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  Speaker 3: that approval then can take you further. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And then once you're approved, then you can apply for
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  Speaker 2: grant money. So the idea is that we want multi-center trials, right?
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  Speaker 2: So we have physicians all over the country. We have
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  Speaker 2: draft trials. And I'd like to go through the draft
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  Speaker 2: trials briefly and explain them. There's one that's really important.
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  Speaker 2: They're doing patients in Japan with this one trial. And
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  Speaker 2: so then once you get IRB approval, then you apply
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  Speaker 2: to grants. And we know where the grant money is
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  Speaker 2: and we know where we're going to apply to. for
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  Speaker 2: the grants and there's definitely a lot of opportunities including
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  Speaker 2: government grants. So I'm not saying that we're not gonna
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  Speaker 2: be able to get grants from the NIH and other
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  Speaker 2: places and private grants. So we have that all kind
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  Speaker 2: of worked out where we're gonna go once we get
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  Speaker 2: IRB approval. I won't discuss any more details about that. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, clinical trials can cost $ 500, 000 a million, depending
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  Speaker 2: on what we're doing. It's a lot of money. So,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, to be honest with you, as a libertarian,
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  Speaker 2: if I had my druthers, I would crowdsource fund the
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  Speaker 2: whole thing, you know, raise $ 20 million, build a couple
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  Speaker 2: of brick and mortars. That's what I wanted at the NIH.
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  Speaker 2: That's my dream. But... The writing was on the wall.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I was directly told that it needs to
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  Speaker 2: be done this way. Decentralized private physicians. And that is
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  Speaker 2: quintessential libertarian, right? We as physicians in this country can
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  Speaker 2: choose to find a way to do clinical trials without
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  Speaker 2: the influences of the powers that be that have been
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  Speaker 2: really not doing a service to this country and ignoring
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  Speaker 2: the vaccine in Europe. And it has to stop. And
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  Speaker 2: so as someone who was vaccine injured myself and treating
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  Speaker 2: vaccine injuries for a long time, it was my calling.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we're glad you're doing it. And I hope that
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  Speaker 3: you get enough money to get this off the ground.
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  Speaker 3: I want to talk about that right now. This is Dr.
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  Speaker 3: Irene Mavrikakis. Liberty Speaks, Inc. is the name of her 501c4.
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  Speaker 3: She is trying to raise money to get some help
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  Speaker 3: for the vaccine-injured people that really are just lost out there.
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  Speaker 3: They don't know where to go. They don't know what
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  Speaker 3: kind of help they can get. And Irene is one
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  Speaker 3: of those people that is working with them every day.
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  Speaker 3: She's trying to pull this together. And if you notice,
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  Speaker 3: she says consortium. I say consortium. And we had this
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  Speaker 3: conversation before. we started this broadcast and we realized that
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  Speaker 3: we said it two different ways and both of us
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  Speaker 3: were like, well, which one is right? And Irene went
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  Speaker 3: to artificial intelligence and we found out we're both right.
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  Speaker 3: So if you say consortium, you're okay. And if you
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  Speaker 3: say it like I do, consortium, you're okay too. But
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  Speaker 3: She's bringing together over 50 doctors together to do this.
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  Speaker 3: It's not going to be cheap. As you heard, it's $ 3, 500
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  Speaker 3: just to get in the door. Irene, tell everybody where
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  Speaker 3: to go and how to give, even if it's just
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of money. If you're interested in helping
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  Speaker 3: people that are vaccine injured, Irene, tell them where people
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  Speaker 3: can go.
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  Speaker 2: So we started a fundraiser on Give Butter. I've used
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  Speaker 2: them before, so they don't steal your money. So we
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  Speaker 2: thought that would be a good idea. So the Give
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  Speaker 2: Butter fundraiser is run by Liberty Speaks, which is my 501c4,
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  Speaker 2: because I deliberately didn't incorporate the consortium. So it's completely
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  Speaker 2: a voluntary association. And there's a lot of reasons why
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  Speaker 2: we did that. We want the physicians to maintain the independence,
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  Speaker 2: but I needed a fiscal fundraising sponsor. And so, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Liberty Speaks is a 501c4. That's a social justice organization. nonprofit.
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  Speaker 2: And so 100% of the money that we raise goes
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  Speaker 2: to the different types of IRB approvals for the different
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  Speaker 2: draft trials. But the first one is what we call
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  Speaker 2: Japan A trial, which I do want to talk about
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  Speaker 2: maybe some of the other ones.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to get to it right after the break.
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  Speaker 3: But give everybody the website real quick where to go.
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  Speaker 3: You said give butter, let's say skip butter.com. And then
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  Speaker 3: what else is after? What do they do? They go
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  Speaker 3: look for it. Under your name, Liberty Speaks, or is
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  Speaker 3: it givebutter.com slash Liberty Speaks, something like that?
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  Speaker 2: It's givebutter.com, the Vaccine Injury Treatment Center of Excellence and
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  Speaker 2: Clinical Trial Consortium. But what they can do is if
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  Speaker 2: you go to my Twitter, at Irene Mavrikakis, it's up there.
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  Speaker 2: And if you go to Liberty Speaks, which is at
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  Speaker 2: National Speaks, and also Dr. Bowden has it up all
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  Speaker 2: the time, there's links to the GiveButter website. So it's
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  Speaker 2: also on Liberty Speaks, the promo videos on Liberty Speaks
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  Speaker 2: on Rumble, on the Liberty Speaks Rumble page, the video
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  Speaker 2: that has all the links with a Q code and
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  Speaker 2: things like that. So if they find me there.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Her name is Dr. Irene Mavrikakis. We're up against
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  Speaker 3: a break. We're going to take it right now, but.
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  Speaker 3: When we come back, we're going to talk about some
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  Speaker 3: of these trials. She's mentioned Japan, a trial. There's more
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  Speaker 3: than that to discuss. We'll continue this conversation in minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining us tonight. And we're
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  Speaker 3: having a conversation about the vaccine injured. There are so
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  Speaker 3: many of them out there, not just COVID-19 vaccine injuries,
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  Speaker 3: but there are vaccine injuries from all types of vaccines.
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  Speaker 3: And Dr. Mavrikakis, I noticed I say Mavrikakis, you say Mavrikakis.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going to go with you from now on.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: I've always just called you Mavrikakis, but I will go
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: your way because it's your name and I will say
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: your name the way that you pronounce it. So We're
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: talking about this Japan aid trial. You brought it up
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: a couple of times. Let's get into that. What is
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: that about? What are they trying to do? And obviously,
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: they're trying to accomplish something. Let's talk about what this is.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's very important for people to understand, you know,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: what do we even mean by vaccine injury? So the
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: idea of vaccines is to make your immune system ready
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: for the subsequent illness by ramping it up. But sometimes
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: the immune system just keeps ramping up. And depending on
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: the situation, this is just in broad terms. And so
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: the ramp up could be autoimmune and the autoimmune could
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: attack your immune system. Like the classic vaccine injury that
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: everybody knows is Guillain-Barre, which is the ascending paralysis. And
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: they treat it with plasmapheresis and IV IgG. What does
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: that mean?
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: And a lot of people that took COVID-19, they got
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: that as well.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: But so the idea is you have all these immune
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: cells and they keep going. And then the cytokine storm
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: is really like the reaction that your body's trying to fight.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: When you get sick, you get all snotty and everything.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: And that's kind of like the basic premise of cytokine
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: storm and you get leaky vessels and all this kind
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: of stuff. But if it doesn't stop, you just lose
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: a lot of energy and a lot of nutrients and
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: a lot of electrolytes and it causes havoc and you
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: become not in biochemical order. So it's kind of like,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: To pretend there's no vaccine injury is kind of stupid
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: because then you're pretending that you don't understand what the
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: point of what you were doing in the first place
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: with the vaccine was to ramp up the immune system.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't have a lot of controls on it.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: So inadvertently and expectedly, you're going to have problems, including allergy,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: which is another component of the cytokine storm. And I
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: wrote a few papers on that stuff. And so what
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: is this about? So this particular Japan, a trial they're
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: doing the McCurran trial, they have, uh, up to 17 patient, uh,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: is actually there now. She's starting treatment, uh, today in
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Japan time, I believe. Um, and so the idea is
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: to clean all that cytokine stuff out and find these, um,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: different things that happen as a consequence of the COVID shot,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: which is a bioweapon, and clean out all of it.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: And so it's plasma adsorption therapy is the first part,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: dual filtration, clean out all the extra immune cells. It's
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: similar to plasmapheresis, but much more specific therapy. And it's
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: getting the amyloid out, all of these things you hear
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: on the internet about just your immune systems releasing all
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: these things. And then that's making you even sicker because
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: you're just, everything's going haywire. So it's called plasma absorption therapy, right?
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: And then the second part is so interesting because Dr.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Kato is the physician there and his family owns the hospital.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: And they've been using both plasma absorption therapy and plasmapheresis
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: and these various things for decades. And the second half
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: of it is stem cells. Now, the stem cells in Japan,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: their source is so interesting and I have a funny
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: epiphany related to it. Go ahead.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Because I think I know where you're going because this
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: caught my attention when I read through your paper.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: And I'm so stuck on it. So I hope you
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: get stuck on it too, because I find it so interesting.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: My people just roll their eyes. They're like, Dr. Mavs, really?
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: I'm like, no, really. So, because when we met with Dr.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Cato online, he said, you want the most primordial basic
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: stem cells, right? The less, the more less differentiated and
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: less antigenic, less allergy producing, less reactive, right? Stem cells,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: basic stem cells, the better it is for the recovery.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: That's me trying to explain something very complex. So in Japan,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: primary tooth pulp stem cells is used all the time,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: which is baby teeth, okay? And the reason why we
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: have Japan B trial is, I'll explain, it's because neither
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: one of these is FDA approved. But we have similar
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: in America. So I don't want to wait. So I
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: want to start potentially with Japan B, although the first
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: thirty five hundred dollars is going already. I already transferred
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: the money to Liberty Speaks bank account and I'll be
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: paying for their IRB in the next few days is
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: going to Japan A. So we can start working on
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: it because they have to do. a lot more approvals
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: because they have to do FDA issues and it's a
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: whole thing.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Okay. So I want to stop you right here because
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: you haven't gotten into the tooth pulp stem cells enough
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: for me. You know how I am. So they come
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: from baby teeth.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Okay. How much of this do you need? Because baby's
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: teeth are not very big. It doesn't seem like there
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: would be a lot of stem cells in there. How
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: does that work? Is there enough to create the protocol
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: for this treatment?
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they have a whole protocol in Japan,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: and I don't know the details.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: I didn't know if there were a lot of people
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: walking around Japan with no teeth because they use their
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: tooth pulp.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: No, no, but baby teeth. Now think about our culture.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Think about what we do with baby teeth in our culture.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: And what my hypothesis is, is our caveman ancestors probably
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: were using baby teeth stem cells, but now our materialistic
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: culture has the tooth fairy putting $ 2 under the pillow
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: for the, I, my hypothesis is that's where it came from.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: And we knew some point, Right. Think about it. Why
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: the hell do we have the tooth fairy paying for
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: baby teeth?
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: I just thought it was a gimmick to get your
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: kids to act right. Just like Santa Claus and the others.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know. But like, think about it. Like, did
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: we in the past, did we historically forget? Did our ancestors,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: I've been trying to look it up, but, you know,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: it's hard. I just went on this rabbit hole. Did
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: they know? Did our ancestors take baby teeth, take this
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: stuff out and grind it up and use it for
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: medicinal treatment? Did the shaman use, like, I don't know,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: don't they all have teeth around them? And when you
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: look at Africa and.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: The shaman, don't they? Oh, they do, yeah.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Yes!
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right. I didn't think about it from that
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: aspect of it. But let me ask you this. How
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: did these people in Japan think of this?
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: They've been doing it for a long time.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe it's going all the way back
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: to the cavemen then, possibly.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but don't you think it's interesting?
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: It's just wild. That's why I've been talking about it
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: for five minutes. I saw this when I read through this,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, I want to talk about this. I
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: want to learn more about this. But let's move on
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: to Japan B trial. You say you're going to forward
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: them the money, $ 3, 500, to get that approval that you
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: need really to get in the door. So what about
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Japan B trial?
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: So Japan B is using the most advanced plasma exchange
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: or filtration that we have FDA approved. And I've spoken
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: to a physician who has a pretty high level one
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: that he's in FDA approval.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Can you explain that please to the audience, the plasma exchange?
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: What does that mean?
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: So it's all like, so plasma for recess, then plasma absorption,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: plasma exchange, it's all in the spectrum, different subtypes. And
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: I'm learning a lot of this myself, to be honest
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: with you. So if I make.
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: Any wrong claims, like, please bear with me because I've
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: had to learn all of this in addition, um, is
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: really cleaning out all the cytokines and cleaning out all
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: the immunoglobulins and cleaning out all the amyloid.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: But there's different levels and specificity. So the one in Japan,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: it's high... um, highly specific to taking out the things
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: that Kevin McCurran has found in the lab, because he's
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: been researching what is in the blood of the people
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: that are really sick, right? So very specific and dual filtration.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: So just cleaning out all the junk, right? And then
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: these are just different types of it, right? So the
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: best possible, um, plasma cleaning out system that we have
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: in the United States, right? And then either amniotic stem
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: cells or umbilical cord stem cells, right? So they're as
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: early on as you can, which some people would be like,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: wouldn't they be better than the tooth stem cells? But Dr.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Cato told me that the baby teeth stem cells are
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: the best for whatever reason. They've been researching it for decades.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: And If you ever talk to Dr. Cato, I trust
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: what that man says because he knows. His family has
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: owned this private hospital in Japan for many, many generations.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: And they took these researchers and are literally treating the
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: patients there. And just such an honorable man. I can't
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: even explain how enamored and grateful I am to know
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: these people.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Well, I hope that you guys get somewhere to help
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: all of these people that are out there hurting and
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: really don't have any answers. That seems to be the
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: common thread between all of the ones that I've talked to,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: the ones that I've had come on the show. They
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: just get frustrated because there are really no answers for them,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: and you're trying to provide an answer for them in
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: these treatments. Let's talk about the different treatment arms. I
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: know that you discuss this in your paper. Let's talk
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: about those.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, the third trial is the physiologic optimization trial. So
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: that's a couple of things. where they do various types
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: of detox. Plus they look familiar, like the bromelain. Some
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: of it has some of the McCullough protocol stuff and
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: then Pico IV. So these are different things that have
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: been used nutraceuticals and other types of treatments that this
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: protocol is using. two doctors that have been doing this
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: for years, right? But now we're going to bring them
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: into clinical trials, bring them into the forefront, show our data,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: publish our data, and bring these treatments out to the masses.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Because them just doing it here and there is not
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: helping all the sick people. And we have to be
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: better scientists than the predecessors that got us to this point.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: And then there's another one called the multimodal trial that uses,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: it has four, three arms and it's various types of
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: nutraceuticals and other types of treatments, more on the complimentary
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: alternative medicine side. The fifth trial is a platelet rich plasma.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: This has been used for years on other types of
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: vaccine injuries, um, And we want to bring that as
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: well into the forefront. And then there's another one called Medicinals.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: It has a lot of studies in other countries. And
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: it would be Medicinals versus McCulloch. But we might just
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: do Medicinals versus placebo. So that's subject to change. And
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: then I had an email exchange with Dr.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: McCulloch.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: And he wants to do McCulloch protocol versus placebo. So
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: he's going to work on writing that up. And then
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: there's a really confidential, controversial study that I'm working on
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: with another physician that is very important. And we're not
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: ready to discuss because we have to have all our
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: ducks in a row regarding it. And then another trial
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: on the IgE component of the cytokine storm.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Do you know much about platelet-rich plasma trial that's going
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: on as part of this?
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: It's not my trial. It's another physician's. It's definitely on
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: that same spectrum of fixing the infraction of the biochemical
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: order that happens with the vaccine injury, like trying to
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: do more of a reset, right?
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Does that make sense? This treatment... Like I mentioned, I
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: know who the physician is, and it's been used for
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: a while for all the vaccine entries, like I mentioned before.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: I deliberately did not put any of the physicians attached
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: to their trials because some remain behind the scenes still
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: and are not interested in being public about this until
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: we go past a grant approval process. So the only
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: two people that are talking on Twitter and the like
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: about being principal investigators right now are myself and Dr.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Mary Talen-Bowden, who wants to do the Japan A trial
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: with a couple of other physicians. And so in conjunction
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: with the Japan training, because some of the physicians want
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: to wait until we have everything more established before they're public.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: So It's not named in there. And people have asked
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: me why. And so I'm trying to get it out
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: there that we just want to leave these physicians alone
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: to save lives. And like I said, I think we're
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: very susceptible to people already trying to question and things.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: And so we just want the data and the clinical
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: trials to speak to ourselves for themselves. and be scientists
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: about it. And most of them really just couldn't be
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: bothered with the public part of it, which is, I guess,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: my job.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Once you get through the process here and we find
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: something that works and is helping people, how do you
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: get the word out to all of the other doctors?
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: I imagine it's through the papers that you guys will
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: be doing. How will those be dispersed among everybody out
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: there in the country in the medical profession?
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, once we get grant approval, and
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: let me tell you, the data on the first 14
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: patients in Japan, like these people are much better after
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: one series of treatments. I'm going to cry.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: You know, I heard the same thing about the antibody,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: you know, the antibodies that we use during COVID. It
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: was the same way. People went in very sick and
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: within 30 minutes, an hour, They're feeling much better. And
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: maybe that's some of what's going on here with this
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Japan A trial.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Right. It's like it's like it's based also, if you
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: think about this, the terrain versus germ theory of disease.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: And think about it. If you had a fish in
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: a fish tank that was really dirty and the fish
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: was sick, wouldn't you clean out the fish tank at least?
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: So we're kind of cleaning out the fish tank. We
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: still have other things to do. They still were injected
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: with synthetic messenger RNA that makes them a spike protein
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: producing factory, plus other contaminants of the COVID biologic mRNA bioweapon.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: And the long COVID patients are also included in some
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: of these because it's the same concept. They're sick. Their
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: fish tank is dirty, right? And then the stem cells
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: for the Japan trial is, you know, to try and reset.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: And each of these have various levels of trying to
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: reset and help the biochemical order and bring them back
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: to health and wellness. So you have to take out
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: the trash and then you have to restore health.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is not to be honest. This is
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: all basic medicine. No, no, no. This is... No, no,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: it really isn't. Like, I don't know what's wrong with
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: the world, but this is all based on basic medical
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: science that we all should understand and know. This is
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: not anything outside the realm of basic medical understandings. I'm
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: not sure it freaks me out, like what happened to
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: the world, really, but this is not out there. And so...
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: I think it's important for us to understand that the
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: crime against humanity was injecting an unsafe, untested bioweapon into people.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: But the crime against humanity part two is that they
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: failed to diagnose the vaccine injury. Like, for example, they've
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: been treating post-vaccination induced myocarditis, the immune side, which is
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: an autoimmune component of myocarditis, some of the cases. It's
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: been known for more than a decade or longer with
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: IV IgG, which is like injecting other immune cells to
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: neutralize the immune cells that are attacking your system, your
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: nervous system and your heart. Like those people, if their
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: symptoms were recognized post-vaccination, they could have had plasmapheresis and
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: IV IgG and other sorts of things that have been used.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: It's been known there's papers on it. Right. But they weren't.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: They ignored. And then you get damage. Right. The myocarditis
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: is inflammation of the heart and attacking of the immune
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: system of the heart. And then. Not all the cases
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: are this. This is just one subtype, right? And then
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: you get heart failure from the damage, which has a
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: 20% five-year survival rate. But we could have diagnosed the
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: delay in diagnosis earlier. Failure to provide accurate diagnosis of
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: a post-injection injury is substandard care. It's not appropriate medicine.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: We're supposed to first do no harm and we're supposed
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: to run the differential diagnosis and see what's wrong with
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: the patient. But because for some reason, narrative is that
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: you can't get hurt from something that's injected to you.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: This is absurd because I do spinal injections and I
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: provide informed consent and I literally tell people that they
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: can have problems and side effects, some of them horrible.
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Her name is Dr. Irene Mavrikakis, and she is doing
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: this Vaccine Injury Treatment Center of Excellence and Research Clinical
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Trial Consortium or Consortium, however you want to say it.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: We discovered tonight that either way is just fine. Don't
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: worry about it. The important thing is go to givebutter.com
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: and find this. If you want to help, if you
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: want to help, it'd be great. so that they can
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: get off the ground to start helping people that have
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: been vaccine injured, whether it was COVID-19 or any other
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: vaccine injury, because there are a lot. It's not just
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: COVID-19 vaccine. Again, it's the Vaccine Injury Treatment Center of
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Excellence and Research Clinical Trial Consortium. And Dr. Irene Mavrikakis,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: tell us again your Twitter handle, because you mentioned it
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: is the best place to kind of reach out to
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  Speaker 3: you and find information about this. So please do that
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  Speaker 3: for us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's at Irene Mavropakis. And the other place that
• 38:39
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• 38:46
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  Speaker 2: And there's a little page, a landing page on Coalition
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• 39:03
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• 39:05
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  Speaker 3: You're doing great. You're doing great. When last Thursday you're
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah. We're halfway. I think we're like
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  Speaker 2: at 14,000 plus, you know, reading the comments, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think it kind of worked out the way that
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  Speaker 3: it was supposed to, don't you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you know, you kind of know me
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: well enough. I'm not really sure that I like to
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: be told what to do. Coalition of the Free.com, which
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: is a coalition that I started with the national chair
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: of the We the People Party and RLC, Republican Liberty
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  Speaker 2: Caucus is involved. And we're working on candidates to get
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• 40:26
  Speaker 2: our coalition page, we put a whole landing page on
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: the consortium with extra information and a link to the
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• 40:40
  Speaker 2: And then if you click on the our coalition button,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: that's also a good place to and easy to remember
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  Speaker 2: other than at Irene Mavrikakis Twitter.
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  Speaker 3: Irene, thank you so much, friend, for coming on the
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  Speaker 2: Well, thanks so much, Booker, and I really appreciate your
• 41:00
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  Speaker 3: Okay, well, have a great night. I appreciate it.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Booker.
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  Speaker 3: I want to do something a little bit different here
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: in this segment because something bothered me Sunday night when
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: I ran across it on Facebook. I'm originally from Nashville, Tennessee.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: I've mentioned that a couple of times. When I was
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: a young child, I was in Nashville and in Brentwood,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: just south of Nashville. And my dad, for whatever reason,
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: I still to this day don't know, probably will never
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: find out. He's been dead for six years now, so
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: I won't be able to ask him at this time anyway.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Maybe one day. Maybe one day. But I never found
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: out why exactly he wanted to farm because he is
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: from Chicago. He was from Chicago, Illinois. Had no experience
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: on a farm, but that's what we did. We bought
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: 11 acres of And it was in a bedroom community
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: called Murfreesboro, Tennessee. It's about 25 miles southeast on the
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: way to Chattanooga from Nashville. And that's where I finished
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: growing up, elementary school, middle school, high school, even went
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: to college there. Back then, it was a university town.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Middle Tennessee State University is there. It was a sleepy
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: little town, really. It was a small community. It was
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: a great place to grow up. I loved it. And
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: I still have a lot of friends there. I still
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: follow them on Facebook. And I also follow the local
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: radio station. And that's where I'm going to go with
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: this segment because of the program that was on Sunday
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: night that caught my attention. Have you heard about 287G?
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: Do you know what that is? Section 287G of the U.S.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Immigration and Nationality Act? Well, it authorizes the Department of
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Homeland Security to deputize selected state and local law enforcement
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: officers to enforce federal immigration law. So in Murfreesboro, Tennessee,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: which is Rutherford County, which by the way, it has
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: grown a lot since I grew up there. We moved
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: there in 1976, I believe. And like I said, it
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: was a sleepy little town. A nice little country town
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: is what it was. Now it's huge. It has exploded.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Nashville has exploded and so has Murfreesboro and Rutherford County.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: It is now the third largest county in the state
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: of Tennessee. You have Memphis, Shelby County, Nashville, Davidson County.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: They're one and two. And then you have Rutherford County.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: Murfreesboro is number three. Actually larger than Chattanooga and larger
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: than Knoxville. A couple of other big cities there in
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: the state of Tennessee. The Rutherford County Sheriff is Mike Fitchew,
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: and he has said that he would never use his
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: deputies to go after illegal immigrants. That's what he said.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: But then there was a little change in the last
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: couple of weeks there in Rutherford County in Murfreesboro with
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: this Section 287G. Sheriff Fichu has agreed to this 287G,
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: which would allow when they arrest an illegal immigrant and
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: there is a detainer for them by ICE, that they
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: will hold the illegal immigrant. To me, it's a no-brainer.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: It makes perfect sense. Why would you not be for that?
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: If this were a regular criminal, let's say that it
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: was someone that had committed murder in Montana, would Sheriff
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Fitchew and his deputies not hold that person for extradition
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: to Montana? Of course they would. So if you have
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: an illegal immigrant that is a criminal, which at this point,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: that's really all Donald Trump and the DHS and ICE
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: are rounding up. They're not rounding up children in schools.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: That's not what they're doing. They're not rounding up just
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: illegal immigrants at this point. They're rounding up the criminals,
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: the ones that have murdered, the ones that have raped.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: That's who they're trying to get off the street. For
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: the life of me, I can't understand why anyone wouldn't
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: want that. Just because they're illegal immigrants, for some reason
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: they want to give these people a pass. That's what
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: the left is saying. And when I went to Facebook
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: and I came across this story, it was a live
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: radio program in my former hometown of In Murfreesboro, Tennessee,
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Rutherford County voted heavily for Donald Trump in the 2024 election.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: It was 60-40. 60% Donald Trump, 40% for Kamala Harris.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Close to it. It was a blowout. There's no doubt
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: that Rutherford County, Tennessee is a red county. It is
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: also a Donald Trump county. It is a MAGA county.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: That's really what it is. So when I came across
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: this story, and this show, I was shocked at what
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: I heard. I'm going to play some of this for
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: you because I think it's important for us to understand
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: the other perspective and what the other side is saying.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: Because what they are saying is nothing like I'm saying.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: I say this all the time about illegal immigrants. It's
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: time for them to go. We need to get these
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: criminals out of here. It needs to be done now.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: So when people start talking the way these guys did,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: and Really what they're doing is calling Sheriff Fitchew onto
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: the carpet for making an agreement with the Homeland Security
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: in this 287G. They don't want their deputies to hold
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: criminal illegal aliens in their jail. But I was shocked
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: at what I heard on this local small radio station
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: in Murfreesboro, Tennessee from Ed Raymer is the guy's name
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: who does the show on Sunday night. Along with him
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: was the Democrat National Committee chairman for Rutherford County. His
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: name is Matt Fee. And here he is talking about
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: what happened two weeks ago when Fichu said, we're not
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: going to do this. We're not going to have our
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: deputies going after illegal immigrants. And then the activism that
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: they created to get people to show up to a
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: council meeting, county government meeting, to try to make their
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: voices heard. so that the sheriff would not do this agreement.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Here is the DNC chairman in the county of Rutherford County, Tennessee.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: His name is Matt Fee.
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: I think I noticed a social media post from someone
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: that said, hey, Rutherford County is now pending a 287G
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: agreement with ICE. So just so everybody knows, a 287G
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: is basically like it gives local police ability to do
• 48:31
  Speaker 7: work for ICE in, you know, either as themselves or
• 48:35
  Speaker 7: in the jail or whatever. You know, so having noticed that,
• 48:42
  Speaker 7: you know, that was the first time it had come up.
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: I don't know how long it had been pending, but
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: basically you can go to ICE's website and you can
• 48:47
  Speaker 7: see all of the, you know, law enforcement agencies that
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: are pending any kind of agreement with ICE or all
• 48:55
  Speaker 7: the ones that are actually active. And it was noticed,
• 48:58
  Speaker 7: excuse me, Rutherford County is now showing pending for a
• 49:02
  Speaker 7: warrant service officer. So I mentioned, hey, if you want
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: to say something about it, there's a public safety meeting
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: coming up on Monday. Let's go there and say you
• 49:14
  Speaker 7: want to talk about the sheriff's report. And so that's
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: how we got there. There was multiple... groups involved, especially
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: Remix TN. They're like an immigrant advocacy group. And they
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: did a lot of work with coordinating and getting people
• 49:33
  Speaker 7: to sign up for public comment at that meeting.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: So they go to the public meeting and they make comments.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Everybody that spoke was against this 287G. If you go
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: to ice.gov slash identify and arrest, if you go to
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: that website, you will see every state and county and
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: city that is involved with ICE and the 287G agreement.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: I can tell you this. I'm looking at the map now. California, Oregon, Washington,
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: and Illinois. Those are four states that have no agreement
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: with ICE. That is not surprising. You also have a
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: little bit of Delaware, a little bit of Vermont, the
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: entire state of Connecticut, the entire state of New Jersey.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: All of those states have no agreement with ICE, which
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: means these illegal immigrants that are committing crimes and have
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: committed crimes where they came from, are running free in
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: these states, and these states are doing nothing to help
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump and ICE get these people out of here.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: But I want to go back to the radio show
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: on 1450 WGNS in Murfreesboro. Listen to the comments now
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: from Ed Raymer as they continue the conversation. Here's the rub.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: At the public safety meeting, as we mentioned, everyone, those
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: that spoke, all against. Now, what we're talking about with ICE,
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: we're talking about the guys that are coming in with
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: the masks, And they don't have to have a reason,
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: to my knowledge. They can come in and just pick
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: you up and take you off and, I guess, do
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: what they want.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's a lie. That's not true. And I don't
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: even know why Ed Raymer on this radio show is
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: saying that. He doesn't know what he's talking about, and
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: he probably shouldn't be talking about it. Both of these
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: guys are leftists. They're Democrats. Again, in a city and
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: a county that was heavily favoring Donald Trump in the
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: 2024 election. The things that he says are important to
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: understand from the perspective of the left and what they
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: are saying against Donald Trump and the things that his
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: administration is doing. You hear him say that these ICE
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: people are wearing the masks. You know, it's obvious that
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: they watch MSNBC because that's the narrative that they are
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: teaching people over there. Well, they're wearing masks. I've covered
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: it on this show before so that they are not killed.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: It's for their protection is what it's for. Let's go
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: back to Ed Raymer. He is the host of the show.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: Let's let him run his mouth a little bit more.
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: Trump has given them where to do this. They're going
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: to fool around. Someone's going to get hurt. And basically,
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: we don't know who these people are.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: To my knowledge, they're a bunch of thugs. He's talking
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: about ICE there. We don't know who these people are. Well,
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: let me tell you who they are. Ed Raymer and WGNS.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: They are... federal law enforcement officers. They have gone through training.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: They have gone through background checks. They are wearing masks
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: so that other people don't try to hurt them because leftist, liberal,
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: stupid Democrats in some of these cities have tried to
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: hurt them. They have doxed them. Politicians have doxed them.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: So why wouldn't they wear a mask? They are not thugs.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: They are federal law enforcement officials. And what you're talking about,
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: Ed Raymer and WG & S, is dangerous. You are dangerous.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: Not Donald Trump and not ICE.
• 53:05
  Speaker 7: So here's the thing, right? We were talking about this
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: a little bit earlier before we came on the air.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: And listen how much Matt Fee uses the word right.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: I talked about it last week, about a linguistic tie-down.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: When someone isn't confident in what they're saying or they're
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: trying to sell you something, they will use right in
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: a rhetorical way. This guy has a real problem with it.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: He can't say two sentences without saying right, which is
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: a tie down to further the conversation on something that
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: you don't know what you're really talking about. And you're
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: just trying to sell something to someone. Here he goes.
• 53:41
  Speaker 7: The agreement that was pending at the time was for
• 53:45
  Speaker 7: a warrant service officer. To my knowledge, what that means
• 53:49
  Speaker 7: is that if someone is brought into the Rutherford County
• 53:53
  Speaker 7: Jail and ICE has a civil warrant against that person, then...
• 53:59
  Speaker 7: Rutherford County Sheriff's deputies can serve that warrant on that
• 54:02
  Speaker 7: person in the jail. Whereas before, ICE would have to
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: come and do that themselves. So even though it may be,
• 54:12
  Speaker 7: let's call it the least of the bad options in
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: these 287G agreements with ICE, to me, the fact of
• 54:19
  Speaker 7: the matter is that Rutherford County is entering into an
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: agreement with ICE. I don't care what model it is.
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: I don't care that you're You know, whether it's the
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: one that sends deputies out into the community to do,
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: you know, task force work. I don't want that one.
• 54:37
  Speaker 7: I don't want them doing anything on ICE's behalf.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Why not? Why wouldn't you? Because these are criminals that
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump and ICE are getting out of this country.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: They are bad people. These are people that murdered Lake
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: and Riley, Nungaree. And I could go on, list the
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: names over and over. It happened for years. It's still
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: happening every day. Why wouldn't you want these people out
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: of your country? Do you want them to live next
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: door to you, Matt Fee, Ed Raymer on WGNS Radio?
• 55:05
  Speaker 7: Because it's just like what you said. We see these
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: videos and reports every single day right now where ICE
• 55:13
  Speaker 7: is just disappearing people off the street for almost no
• 55:17
  Speaker 7: reason whatsoever except for the fact that they're.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: Color of their skin.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: A couple of things here. I don't recall seeing videos
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: of ICE disappearing just anybody off the street. And it's
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: not because of the color of their skin, either. It's
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: because the crimes that they have committed, they are criminals.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: I'll say it again. They are criminals. And these people,
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: Ed Raymer and Matt Fee, they are lost. They have
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: no idea what they're talking about.
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: Doesn't look like they should be here.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 55:50
  Speaker 7: Or not that they shouldn't be here, but that, you know.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: No, they don't think they should be here.
• 55:55
  Speaker 7: They just assume that they're undocumented.
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: And ladies and gentlemen, I want to say this. I
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: don't want to put any words in the chairman of
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: the Democrat Party's mouth.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: I don't mean to do that.
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: But I'm telling you, this bunch is dangerous.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: This bunch. He's talking about you. He's talking about Donald Trump.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: He's talking about ICE. He's talking about everybody that would
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: have illegal immigrants here.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Taken out of this country. There is only one truth.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: You've been listening to The Truth Be Told with Booker
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Scott on America Out Loud.