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Tylee Ryan and JJ Vallow still missing as so-called "Doomsday Cult Mom" Lori Vallow asks judge for reduced bail. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace say, Well, they found Lorie
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  Speaker 1: and Chad and Kawai over the weekend. There's no evidence
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  Speaker 1: that her children were ever there. Hawaii police served Laurie
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  Speaker 1: with a court order that says she has five days
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  Speaker 1: to physically produce the kids. Chad, Where are Laurie's kids?
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  Speaker 1: Nate Eaton with East Idaho News was in Kawaii this
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  Speaker 1: weekend right after police served Laurie Valo in Chad day
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  Speaker 1: Bell with two search warrants, one for this black Ford
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  Speaker 1: explored the couple was driving around the island, and another
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  Speaker 1: for their Kawaie Town home where the couple's been living.
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  Speaker 1: They've been missing for four much. You have nothing to say.
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  Speaker 1: You're over here in Hawaii. Police don't know how long
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  Speaker 1: the couple's been in Hawaii. Lorie and Chad staying mostly
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  Speaker 1: quiet before ducking into the Kawai Beach resort over the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: There's people around the country praying for your children, praying
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  Speaker 1: for you, guys. Why don't you give us answers? That's great,
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  Speaker 1: that's great. That's great that they're praying for you, praying
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  Speaker 1: for your kids. What you are hearing Our friends at
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  Speaker 1: KTVB seven boys, the Idaho reporter Gretchen Parsons and the
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  Speaker 1: voice of our friend Nate Eaton questioning Laurie Valo about
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  Speaker 1: where are her children. I Meancy Grace. This his Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us, breaking news right now,
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  Speaker 1: believe it or not. After cops insist Laurie Valo produced
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  Speaker 1: her children, she refuses to do it. She's ultimately arrested.
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  Speaker 1: We had to wait for cops to work up felonies
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  Speaker 1: on her in order to extradite her from her five
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  Speaker 1: star resort there in Hawaii and get her back home
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  Speaker 1: to Idaho. Maybe get answers about jaj and Tailey. Now
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  Speaker 1: Laurie Valo appearing in court demanding her bail. Her bail
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  Speaker 1: bod be reduced so she can walk free. Fat chance, lady.
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  Speaker 1: You already lied to police and took off for Hawaii.
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  Speaker 1: According to police, no judge in their right mind is
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  Speaker 1: going to let her walk free again. I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us. This
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  Speaker 1: as the search for Tilely Ryan, her seventeen year old girl,
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  Speaker 1: is shifting to Yellowstone National Park. We know that one
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  Speaker 1: of the last signings of the daughter, Tyley seventeen JJ
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  Speaker 1: the little laugh brother is seven. Tyley went with her
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  Speaker 1: mother to Yellowstone Park. A photo was taken there. She's
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  Speaker 1: never been seen again. We understand law enforcement now waiting
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  Speaker 1: for snow to thaw to go look for Tylely. I'm
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  Speaker 1: holding out hope that these two children are tucked away
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  Speaker 1: with this crazy cult. She belongs to him talking about
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  Speaker 1: so occult mom Laurie Valo, who I read the divorce
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  Speaker 1: papers very carefully. According to the divorce papers, Laurie Valo
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  Speaker 1: says that she is a god god with little gee
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  Speaker 1: from another planet, that she's lived many, many lives before,
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  Speaker 1: and that she has been chosen to lead the one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and forty four thousand people. I guess that because
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  Speaker 1: you and me out, Jackie, we're not going to make
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  Speaker 1: it one hundred and forty four thousand worldwide since the
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  Speaker 1: beginning of time get to go to the New Jerusalem
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  Speaker 1: after they quote great War. She also believes that she
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  Speaker 1: is eternally sealed to an ancient prophet Maronai. According to
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  Speaker 1: the divorce paper, she told her husband if he stood
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  Speaker 1: between her and her religion and taking the chosen to Jerusalem,
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  Speaker 1: should kill him. And guess what now he's it I
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  Speaker 1: want to find out what the hay's happening right now?
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  Speaker 1: To Levi Page Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Levi,
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  Speaker 1: what in the hay about this bell reduction? What can
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  Speaker 1: you tell me? Well, Nancy, as you know, Laurie Vallo
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  Speaker 1: has been arrested and she's charged with two counts of
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  Speaker 1: desertion and non support of dependent children, and she has
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  Speaker 1: appeared in court and she's asking for her bell, which
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  Speaker 1: is five million dollars, to be lowered in Her attorney,
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  Speaker 1: Gregg da Costa, argued that the equivalent for felonies in
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  Speaker 1: the Hawaii usually range from two thousand dollars to twenty
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars. However, prosecutors say that they worry that she
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  Speaker 1: could be a flight risk since she left Idaho and
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  Speaker 1: went to Hawaii. And they say that her husband, Chad
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  Speaker 1: day Bell, has one hundred and fifty two thousand dollars
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  Speaker 1: in his bank account. So we're gonna have to see
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  Speaker 1: how the JO rules. Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. What
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  Speaker 1: we have learned is that when Chad Daybale's wife died,
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  Speaker 1: he got about four hundred and thirty thousand dollars. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot more to answer up to, while many
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  Speaker 1: of us holding out hope the children are just squirrelled
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  Speaker 1: away somewhere. Take a listen to our friends at Fox thirteen,
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  Speaker 1: Utah Adam Herbert's. Within two weeks of Tammy's death, Chad
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  Speaker 1: married Laurie Vallo, who, as you remember, has been a
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  Speaker 1: widow now for about three months. On November twenty sixth,
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  Speaker 1: family members started to get concerned they hadn't heard from
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  Speaker 1: the kids, JJ or Tylee. They asked for a welfare check,
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  Speaker 1: and police said the newlyweds lied about the children's location.
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  Speaker 1: We've gotten pretty much the run around. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what happened to those kids. I know that there's people
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  Speaker 1: who do and they're not talking, who've used the word
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  Speaker 1: a cult. What do you mean by that? Their focus
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  Speaker 1: is just so much on the end of the world,
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  Speaker 1: and you know this this idea that it's coming. The
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  Speaker 1: next day, Rexburg police served a search warrant. They found
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  Speaker 1: out Chad and Lorie left their home abruptly, so they
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  Speaker 1: called in the FBI. If I could say anything to him,
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  Speaker 1: I would just say tell the truth, you know. At
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  Speaker 1: this point, police determined the death of Chad's wife Tammy
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  Speaker 1: day Bell may be suspicious. So on December eleventh, they
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  Speaker 1: went to her grave site in Springville and exhumed her
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  Speaker 1: body for further testing. The day after that, Lorie Valo's
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  Speaker 1: brother Alex Cox died in Gilbert, Arizona, Okay. To Jim Elliott,
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  Speaker 1: veteran trial lawyer joining me with Butler Snow, you can
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  Speaker 1: find him at Butler snow dot com. Jim Elliott, It's
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  Speaker 1: no easy thing to get a body exhumed, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I because once the body is interred in a grave
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  Speaker 1: or a mausoleum, once it's interred, it is really it
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  Speaker 1: belongs to the state in a way. And you have
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  Speaker 1: to go through a lot of legal loopholes, jump a
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  Speaker 1: lot of hurdles to get a boy exhumed, because you've
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  Speaker 1: got away the purpose of the exhimation against the suffering
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  Speaker 1: it's going to cause the family, of course, And and
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  Speaker 1: like you say, that's not something I'm people often think
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  Speaker 1: it's easy to be accomplished. It's not. It's very very difficult,
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  Speaker 1: so very hot bar for that to happen. And the
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  Speaker 1: fact that it did speak small Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: our friend Fox thirteen Utah Adam Herbert's July eleventh, twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: At this point, the kids were doing well, but they
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  Speaker 1: witnessed the death of their father, Charles Valo in Chandler, Arizona.
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  Speaker 1: He was shot and killed by Laurie Valo's brother, a
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  Speaker 1: man named Alex Cox. Alex said the shooting was in
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  Speaker 1: self defense, but the case is still under investigation. This
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  Speaker 1: incident started with an argument, a family argument. Fast forward
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  Speaker 1: now to September twenty third. This is the last time
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  Speaker 1: anyone reported seeing the children, Jj and Tyley at school
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  Speaker 1: in Rexburg, Idaho, but nobody reported them sing until about
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  Speaker 1: two months later. We'll get to that in a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: but first, let's talk about Chad day Belle's wife, Tammy.
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  Speaker 1: Her dad tells me she was alive and well. On
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  Speaker 1: October fourth, she drove down from Rexburg to visit her
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  Speaker 1: parents in Springville, Utah. But two weeks later, on October nineteenth,
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  Speaker 1: the parents got a call from Chad saying Tammy went
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  Speaker 1: to bed coughing and never woke up. At the time,
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  Speaker 1: doctor said she died from natural causes at the age
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  Speaker 1: of forty nine. Mmm. No, with me right now. Forensics
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  Speaker 1: expert Cold case investigative research Institute founder and director Cheryl McCollum.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody's even mentioned Joseph Ryan. Does that name Ringabelle. You've
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  Speaker 1: got the dead husband, Charles Valo. You've got Lorie Vallo's
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  Speaker 1: former husband. You've got the dead wife Tammy Day Belle,
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  Speaker 1: who was forty nine years old, trending for a marathon,
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  Speaker 1: died in her sleep. You've got Valo's brother. There are
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  Speaker 1: Alex Cox, who shot her husband dead. He's dead. But
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute, that's not all. I want to find
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  Speaker 1: out what happened to Joseph Ryan. Joseph Ryan is missing,
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  Speaker 1: Tyley's bio dad. Now reports are he died of a
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  Speaker 1: quote heart attack, but it was immediately cremated. I want
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  Speaker 1: answers on all this, Cheryl McCollum. But what do you
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  Speaker 1: make of the fact that police are shifting their search
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  Speaker 1: for Tyley to Yellowstone. That's not good. Is not only
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  Speaker 1: not good to me, it's so sad because she had
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  Speaker 1: so much time to cover her tracks, so dispose of
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  Speaker 1: these children. That's what she's done, which it appears to me,
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  Speaker 1: that's why she's done Yellowstone. If you've been there, there
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  Speaker 1: are parts of it. We'll probably two people have it walked.
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  Speaker 1: I mean there's the place where normal tourists go, and
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  Speaker 1: then there are parts of Yellowstones that are way out
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  Speaker 1: that nobody really goes to. And she had tons of
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  Speaker 1: times crime stories with Nancy Grace. You know, I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to make sense of it all. Joining me an all
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  Speaker 1: star panel Jim Elliott, Joseph Scott, Morgan, doctor Bethany Marshall,
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, and Levi Page to Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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  Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott, what can we do right now? What clues?
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  Speaker 1: What evidence do you find most significant? Well, first off,
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  Speaker 1: I got to say, you need a playbill to keep
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  Speaker 1: up with all of the actors in this on the
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  Speaker 1: I think for me, the evidence rest in those that
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  Speaker 1: have passed on at this point, that are dead, and
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  Speaker 1: this has to be assessed. I'm really curious as to
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  Speaker 1: this exhimation. What did they find subsequent to this exhimation.
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  Speaker 1: You were just mentioned a moment ago how difficult it
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  Speaker 1: is to have a body exhumed. I've participated in I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, probably fifty to sixty exhimations over the course
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  Speaker 1: of my career, and just to get the ground cracked
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  Speaker 1: open to extricate a body is a big deal. You
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  Speaker 1: have to make sure that you cover every inch of
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  Speaker 1: ground when you have that body out of the ground.
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  Speaker 1: So they'll be doing all kinds of testing relative to tissue,
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  Speaker 1: relative to any evidence of injuries. And what's really shocking
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  Speaker 1: about this is that apparently they don't have any documentation
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  Speaker 1: prior to this person being buried. You know, what did
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  Speaker 1: you do before you allow this person to go in
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  Speaker 1: the ground? And then we go to the cremated remains.
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  Speaker 1: You know that's gone, absolutely gone, and you're saying that
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  Speaker 1: he had a heart attack, Well, how do you confirm that?
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  Speaker 1: And this woman that's in bed, she costs and she dies.
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  Speaker 1: She's forty nine years old. This is a very young woman.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of history does she have? When you begin
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  Speaker 1: to have body stack up like this, it really leaves
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  Speaker 1: me as a forensics guy scratching my head. I want
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  Speaker 1: to know more answers about what they're finding physically relative
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  Speaker 1: to these remains. Well, we know the last time that
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  Speaker 1: JJ Joshua was seen was in ring doorbell surveillance and
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  Speaker 1: it was dug up by East Idaho News we've got
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  Speaker 1: it at crime online dot com. It was September seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: He was playing outside with another child there in Rexburg.
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  Speaker 1: The video caught on the ring doorbell camera at a
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  Speaker 1: neighbor's house. JJ runs toward Valo's townhouse with the other
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  Speaker 1: little kid, the other child, and he throws his hands
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  Speaker 1: up in the air. He's laughing and running. I've looked
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  Speaker 1: at it a million times. Police claiming numerous lies have
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  Speaker 1: been told, and as I recall off the top of
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  Speaker 1: my head, in the formal complaint charged against Laurie Valo,
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  Speaker 1: the first two charges are desertion. Those are felonies. Each
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  Speaker 1: one is a fourteen year sentence, a possible fourteen year
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  Speaker 1: sentence when you just leave your child with no support,
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  Speaker 1: no food, no nothing. The other three charges are count
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  Speaker 1: three lying to police. It's alleged that when they went
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  Speaker 1: to the home to do a welfare check on the children,
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  Speaker 1: that Laurie Valo lied to them about the whereabouts of
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  Speaker 1: the children. Count four is let me see, trying to
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  Speaker 1: solicit a friend to lie about the whereabouts of the children.
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  Speaker 1: And Count five is contempt of court. When the court
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  Speaker 1: and Idaho ordered her to appear with the children she
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  Speaker 1: did not do. So that's the rundown on the criminal
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  Speaker 1: complaint to doctor beth Any Marshall's Psychoana's journing me out
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  Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills. You can find her at Dctor Bethany
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  Speaker 1: Marshall dot com. If the children are alive, and that's
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  Speaker 1: a big if. We know JJ the seven year old
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  Speaker 1: sons autism medicine with eighteen nineteen or so pills was
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  Speaker 1: found in the town home that was left behind and
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  Speaker 1: it hasn't been refilled. We know that his iPad, toys
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  Speaker 1: and some clothing went missing. A lot of that's found
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  Speaker 1: in a storage unit that Valo got and then abandoned.
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  Speaker 1: There's no sign of the children in Hawaii. The last
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  Speaker 1: time that Tyley sent a text, her friends say it
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  Speaker 1: didn't sound like her, and then her phone Tyley's phone
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  Speaker 1: was found with Laurie Valos at Laurie Valo's place in Hawaii.
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  Speaker 1: All of this suggests the various activity. So if they're alive,
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  Speaker 1: why would she continue lying about it? Doctor Bethany Nancy
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  Speaker 1: is such a good question. You know, there's only one
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  Speaker 1: story that never changes, and that's the truthful story. And
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  Speaker 1: this story is changing again and again and as you
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  Speaker 1: and I always talk about in these cases where mothers
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  Speaker 1: sort of lose track of where their children are, the
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  Speaker 1: most strongest piece of behavioral evidence besides truthfulness, is does
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  Speaker 1: the mother have empathy towards the child as the mother
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  Speaker 1: worried about the child? Is a mother going on TV thing,
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  Speaker 1: I have my child's medications. Anybody, if you have him
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  Speaker 1: out there, please know that he needs these particular medications.
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  Speaker 1: This is what a concerned, loving parent does, Nancy. One
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  Speaker 1: also really concerned about is the core belief system that
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  Speaker 1: Laurie Vallo and Chad day Bell are engaging in, because
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  Speaker 1: we know that when somebody has an extremely strong core
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  Speaker 1: belief anything that lies outside that belief system is discarded,
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  Speaker 1: is disrecarded, is dealt with with hatred. In the context
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  Speaker 1: of this cult where she's a god, small g how
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  Speaker 1: do they feel about children, How do they feel about marriage?
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  Speaker 1: How do they feel about family? How did one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and forty four thousand get into heaven? How are they selected?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, do you have to shed family members in
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  Speaker 1: order to be the chosen one? I would start looking
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  Speaker 1: at those core beliefs for some clues too. If I
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  Speaker 1: was conducting an investigation here well, you know, talking about
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  Speaker 1: shedding your husband. Chad Daybill marries Laurie Valo two weeks
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  Speaker 1: after Tammy quote dies in her sleep. I mean a
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  Speaker 1: new spouse to these twos, like putting on a pair
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  Speaker 1: of socks. That says what that is? I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how you put that, and you know psycho analytic terms,
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  Speaker 1: but I know this, Cheryl McCollum. When I hear that
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  Speaker 1: authorities are shifting their search for Tyley to Yellowstone and
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  Speaker 1: they're wait until after the snow thaws. Mmmm. There is
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  Speaker 1: no way in hubl this judge is going to grant
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  Speaker 1: Lorie Valo a bond reduction. That is not happening. She
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  Speaker 1: needs to park her a booty on a plane and
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  Speaker 1: get home handcuffed to a seat, I might add, and
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  Speaker 1: show up in court in Idaho instead of going in
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  Speaker 1: court while her children are missing and asking for a
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  Speaker 1: bond reduction being going anywhere. There's no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 1: And the most important thing here is where's the summit?
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  Speaker 1: If they shift their investigation towards the daughter, that means
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  Speaker 1: where they killed at separate time. Did she placed one
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  Speaker 1: in one area and some you know the daughter in
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  Speaker 1: another area? Again, there's so many questions with this woman, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: But you and I both know anytime somebody refers to
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  Speaker 1: themselves as God or a God, or during the work
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  Speaker 1: of God, it's not a good ending. Those children are
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  Speaker 1: not allowed. The reality is Jim Elliott, just break it down.
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  Speaker 1: Please do not start spouting legal Latin terms. Please don't
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  Speaker 1: do that. He used to love it when lawyers would
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  Speaker 1: do that to a jury. I'd watch their eyes just
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  Speaker 1: glaze over. But here's the deal. These two, Valo and
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  Speaker 1: day Bell have not cooperated at all into the police
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  Speaker 1: investigation into the children's disappearance. Valo did not comply with
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  Speaker 1: a court order to produce the children in Idaho. They
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  Speaker 1: were dragged in kicking and screaming in a Hawaii courtroom,
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  Speaker 1: and her Bell said at five million, there is no way,
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  Speaker 1: based on their track record of non compliance, that these
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  Speaker 1: two can be trusted. They'll hop a private plane and
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  Speaker 1: be gone, long gone. Oh. I definitely agree. I man
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  Speaker 1: to those two executors and investigators and law enforcement that
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  Speaker 1: came up with these charges because they finally seen it.
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  Speaker 1: Excuse me, they did not quote come up with the charges.
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  Speaker 1: You're suggesting fabrication, and I object to that. Fabrication at all.
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  Speaker 1: What I'm saying, I think I think they were creative
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  Speaker 1: in coming up with I mean kind of thinking outside
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  Speaker 1: the box to come up with things that these people
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  Speaker 1: are definitely potentially guilty of. It goes back to facts
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  Speaker 1: in that to you, Cheryl McCollum, the children allegedly witnessed
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  Speaker 1: the murder of their father by mommy's brother, Alex Cox.
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  Speaker 1: Let me throw a little timid at you. I am
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  Speaker 1: pretty sure about the brother Alex Cox. Guess what has
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  Speaker 1: an assault conviction against another one of Laurie Valo, his
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  Speaker 1: sister's husband. Uh huh. Well, the children were at an
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  Speaker 1: where they could also be very vocal about whether or
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  Speaker 1: not that was in self defense. So if the children
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  Speaker 1: were starting to really ask questions or say, well, Mamma,
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  Speaker 1: you know it didn't happen that way, or we saw
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  Speaker 1: this and the children were talking to each other about
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  Speaker 1: it again, not having the medicine not being seen for
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  Speaker 1: so long, going from Idahotel not having his iPad, JJ
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  Speaker 1: doesn't having his iPad and Tyley doesn't have her cell phone.
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  Speaker 1: My children would just like curl up and d ie
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  Speaker 1: if they couldn't get their mits on some kind of device.
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  Speaker 1: I mean not only that, you have Brandon Boudreau claiming
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  Speaker 1: he was shot at. Brandon's wife and Lorie Valle both
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  Speaker 1: joined a group created by Chad day Bell. And then
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  Speaker 1: suddenly somebody takes a shot at Brandon Boudreaux, somebody driving
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  Speaker 1: Chad Valos car. Okay, back to you, Justice's got Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: Professor Rnensis, Jacksonville State University, Joe Scott, how do you
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  Speaker 1: recover a body? Quote once the snow melts, Well, they're
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  Speaker 1: going to go in with They're going to go in
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  Speaker 1: with dogs, Nancy, and they're going to use cadaver dogs,
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  Speaker 1: as Cheryl had alluded to earlier. For our listeners that
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  Speaker 1: have never been to a Yellowstone, it's vast. Let me
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  Speaker 1: give you an idea. What's the current situation is up
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  Speaker 1: there right now? It's eight degrees fahrenheit right now in Yellowstone.
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  Speaker 1: That gives you an idea as to how hostile that
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  Speaker 1: environment is. It will take a while for any frozen
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  Speaker 1: presept to melt up there. And you know, we begin
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  Speaker 1: to talk about, particularly in death investigation circles. My colleagues
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  Speaker 1: up north talk about the spring thaw, and they always
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  Speaker 1: talk about bodies that are recovered after they've been in
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  Speaker 1: this environment over protracted period of time. So this is
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  Speaker 1: not going to be an immediate event. You're talking a
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  Speaker 1: very isolated, hostile environment. It could be weeks, it could
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  Speaker 1: be months, maybe into the latter part of April, before
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  Speaker 1: any of the snow and frozen precit begins to recede
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  Speaker 1: off the ground. I still believe there is a chance
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  Speaker 1: that shouldren are alive, tucked away with this cult that
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  Speaker 1: Laurie Valo, this doomsday cult that Laurie Valo is associated
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  Speaker 1: with through her husband Chad day Bell. He's written about
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  Speaker 1: twenty five books on the end of time and all
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  Speaker 1: the disasters that are kind to befall the earth. Ul
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  Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Gray's crime story, signing
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  Speaker 1: off Goodbye Friend,