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The Late Debate | 9 April · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Lelands and Generalman.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the late de Base.
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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm KYLEB. Bond
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Speaker 3: with Liz Storer and Joe Hildebrand, who is once again
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Speaker 3: engrossed in the cryptic crossword. Later tonight we will show
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Speaker 3: you the shocking numbers out of the United States about
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Speaker 3: the number of people who think it would be justified
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Speaker 3: to murder Elon Musk and Donald Trump. I promise you
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Speaker 3: it will shock you, or maybe not if you think
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Speaker 3: as much of the left as I do. In the papers,
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Speaker 3: could Chris Bowen lose his seat? Will show you some
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Speaker 3: new polling. And the Victorian labor powerbrokers are circling in
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Speaker 3: on Jacinda Allen. She's apparently going to be given the
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Speaker 3: heave ho. And a bit later, the dire wolf, which
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Speaker 3: has been extinct for ten thousand years, has been quote
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Speaker 3: unquote de extincted in a lab. We'll tell you a
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Speaker 3: little bit more about that and the ethics of bringing
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Speaker 3: back extinct animals. Now, of course, earlier tonight here on
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Speaker 3: Sky News you would have seen the very first Treasurer's
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Speaker 3: debate between Jim Charmers and Angus Taylor. It was slightly
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Speaker 3: more interesting, I thought than the debate we got last night.
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Speaker 3: There was a bit of biff, thank god, which was good.
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Speaker 3: We actually got to see some difference between these two
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Speaker 3: potential treasures. One of course, already is the treasurer. Angus
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Speaker 3: Taylor wants to be the treasurer. One of the most
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Speaker 3: interesting moments I think was a question that was set
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Speaker 3: up first by Ross Greenwood, one that was then continued
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Speaker 3: on by Angus Taylor. It gave a little bit of
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Speaker 3: a gotcha moment to Jim Charmers. We'll start with Ross Greenwood.
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Speaker 4: Will you apologize to the people of Australia tonight having
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Speaker 4: your government having said that energy prices would come down
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Speaker 4: by two hundred and seventy five dollars when in actual fact,
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Speaker 4: average prices according to the Financial Review, are at least
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Speaker 4: five hundred dollars more than what they were at that time.
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Speaker 4: So you said two hundred and seventy five? Will you
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Speaker 4: apologize to people of this Rather.
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Speaker 5: I take responsibility for all of the decisions that we've
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Speaker 5: taken in our budget, so you will apologize. Let me finish,
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Speaker 5: including the fact that energy prices energy bills last year
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Speaker 5: were three hundred dollars cheaper because of our energy rebates
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Speaker 5: than Angus didn't.
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Speaker 3: Support Ross then gave both men an opportunity to ask
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Speaker 3: a question of each other. So Angus Taylor asked exactly
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Speaker 3: the same question.
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Speaker 6: You've seen, and you've over seen the biggest collapse in
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Speaker 6: our living standards in history, bigger than any of our
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Speaker 6: peer countries in the world. Will you apologize to Australians.
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Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I mean Angus wrote down that
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Speaker 5: question and then you asked it, and he didn't have
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Speaker 5: the ability to think up a second question.
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Speaker 2: I think that's.
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Speaker 6: Well, I'm giving you another gau Jim.
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Speaker 3: It was an easy kick for charmers, it has to
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Speaker 3: be said. He also had another interesting line tonight about
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Speaker 3: Dougie Sucker fans, And.
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Speaker 5: Here I think we've got the first contrast of the
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Speaker 5: debate tonight, the first choice, because we've got a Prime
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Speaker 5: Minister standing up for and speaking up for Australia, and
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Speaker 5: we've got an opposition leader and an opposition which is
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Speaker 5: absolutely full of these kind of those sicker fans who
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Speaker 5: have hitched their wagon to American style slogans and policies
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Speaker 5: and especially cuts which would make Australians worse off.
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Speaker 3: Now I have to say, overall, I think Jim Charmers
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Speaker 3: won this debate. It felt like he was punchier, he
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Speaker 3: was on the front foot, Angus Taylor seemed a little
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Speaker 3: bit nervous and on the back foot most.
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Speaker 4: Of the time.
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Speaker 3: Having said that, I do think Taylor performed better than
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Speaker 3: I expected. He showed that he could, at least to
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Speaker 3: some degree, put up a fight to Jim Charmers. Charmers
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Speaker 3: is a good performer in these kinds of situations. I'll
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Speaker 3: come back to it a little bit later in terms
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Speaker 3: of some things that I think Taylor could have done
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Speaker 3: better at, But he did hit some good points, particularly
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Speaker 3: talking about the cost of living and the danger that
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Speaker 3: labor is to the country and what they have wrought
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Speaker 3: upon people over the last three years.
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Speaker 6: Jenfp per Kapita has gone backwards for twenty one months
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Speaker 6: in a row under your so called stewardship, Jim. And
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Speaker 6: the result of that is our household standard of living,
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Speaker 6: what our incomes combined him of goods and services, has
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Speaker 6: collapsed in an unprecedented way seven point nine percent since
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Speaker 6: she came into government.
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Speaker 1: The buffers are gone.
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Speaker 2: If you look.
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Speaker 6: At household budgets that they're deep into digging into their savings, and.
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Speaker 3: All of this is great, but there are two points
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Speaker 3: I think that Taylor really could have taken the fight
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Speaker 3: up against Charmers on, and he missed. One of them
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Speaker 3: was when Jim Charmers started talking about cost of living
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Speaker 3: relief and how the government had provided cost of living
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Speaker 3: relief in the form of power subsidy of course, to
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Speaker 3: the tune of three hundred dollars, and they're now extending
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Speaker 3: that to the end of this year. And he said, well,
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Speaker 3: you know, if it weren't for that, people would have
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Speaker 3: been worse off. And the opposition didn't support those measures.
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Speaker 3: All of that is true, but why did Angus Taylor
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Speaker 3: not then turn around and say, look, it's all good
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Speaker 3: and well for you to say you are helping people
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Speaker 3: with the cost of living, but how about how you've
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Speaker 3: contributed to the increase in the cost of living. He
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Speaker 3: could have then listed off the increase in power bills
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Speaker 3: and one hundred other things and saying, well, how can
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Speaker 3: you possibly say you've made the cost of living better
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Speaker 3: when you are actually, in many cases the root cause
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Speaker 3: of the cost of living getting worse. He didn't hit
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Speaker 3: on that one. And the other one that really annoyed
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Speaker 3: me was Jim Charmers talking about economic growth and new businesses.
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Speaker 3: I think the number he used was about eighty thousand
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Speaker 3: new businesses have been created in this term of government. Well,
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Speaker 3: why did Angus Taylor not turn around and say, did
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Speaker 3: you not read the AFR last month, doctor Charmers where
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Speaker 3: it said that more than seventy five percent of the
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Speaker 3: jobs that were created in this country last year were
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Speaker 3: created in government funded sectors. Sure, there might be eighty
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Speaker 3: thousand more businesses in this country than there were when
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Speaker 3: you came to power. Not to mention all the other
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Speaker 3: ones that have gone bust, will leave that to one side.
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Speaker 3: But fundamentally, the jobs that are being created in new
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Speaker 3: business in these countries in this country, sorry, is not
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Speaker 3: because business is booming. It's because the government is paying
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Speaker 3: for it. If the government was not stumping up money
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Speaker 3: for things like the nda is, you wouldn't have any
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Speaker 3: growth in the private sector whatsoever. I think there are
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Speaker 3: a few of those moments that lead me to think
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Speaker 3: that on paper, and this is not a judgment on
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Speaker 3: the substance, but on the performance tonight, Jim Chalmers won
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Speaker 3: that debate.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look I think he did.
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Speaker 7: I think both played pretty well, and I think it
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Speaker 7: was actually more sort of fiery and sort of combative
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Speaker 7: and almost fun to watch in the leader's debate, which
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Speaker 7: is a very different style because you don't want to
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Speaker 7: get too feisty in front of voters who are sick
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Speaker 7: of politicians fighting with each other at the best of time.
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Speaker 2: So in a TV studio it's a bit more like
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Speaker 2: a cage match. You can really go for it.
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Speaker 7: And you know, for old Ross Greenwood, it cleends to
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Speaker 7: cop a few homemakers. He's big and ugly enough to
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Speaker 7: handle it. So I think it did really well, and
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Speaker 7: Ross did well. I think just Angus Taylor though, I
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Speaker 7: just think, and this has been a occurring sort of
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Speaker 7: criticism I've heard from people on his own side as
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Speaker 7: well as obviously on the other, he's just not a
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Speaker 7: detailed guy. He's just the actual you know, how are
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Speaker 7: you going to fix these problems? And he keeps having
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Speaker 7: we we'll manage the economy. Well, yeah, that's the job
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Speaker 7: description of the treasurer, but how are you going to
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Speaker 7: do it? And said, well, you know, we will drive growth,
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Speaker 7: and it's like, well, yeah, everyone wants to drive growth,
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Speaker 7: but you know, so we'll have growth, We'll have growth
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Speaker 7: in the private sector. And Ross green would actually at
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Speaker 7: one point said, you know, how are you going to
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Speaker 7: manage the economy into a downturn? He says, well, you know,
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Speaker 7: you know, by creating growth, and rosscreen He goes, but
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Speaker 7: the definition of a downturn is there is no growth,
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Speaker 7: So what are you going to do? And it just
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Speaker 7: didn't happen to be that, And and charmers again. You know, yes,
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Speaker 7: there's a cost of living crisis. Yes we're about to
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Speaker 7: copy trade war. So it's not a particularly sunny scenario.
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Speaker 7: But he showed that he was at least across it.
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Speaker 7: He could point to things good, point to specific measures
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Speaker 7: that he was doing a good point to specific outlooks.
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Speaker 7: And you know, if you look at the actual figures
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Speaker 7: that these guys were rattling off, it was ninety percent charmers.
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Speaker 7: And you had Angus Tail there who was just more
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Speaker 7: about the vibe. And I think that was what what
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Speaker 7: Ross Greenwood was getting to when he was saying, look,
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Speaker 7: a criticism of you is that you're just not doing
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Speaker 7: the work. And we've seen, i think elsewhere in the
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Speaker 7: coalition campaign just how damage it can be when you
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Speaker 7: haven't done the work. You haven't got the details and
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Speaker 7: you haven't got the specifics because of course that is
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Speaker 7: the whole in your sort of front line that your
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Speaker 7: opponents are going to drive a truck through.
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Speaker 8: Charmers. Really didn't miss a trick. Here's one grab from
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Speaker 8: tonight's debate where he started out talking about these secret
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Speaker 8: cuts that the Liberals are going to have to make
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Speaker 8: in order to fund new clear on there's going to
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Speaker 8: be cuts to everything, and didn't miss the opportunity to
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Speaker 8: make it about Medicare and what's happened to the past.
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Speaker 5: Angus has gone to the election with three policies, first
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Speaker 5: of all, to increase income taxes on every Australian taxpayer,
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Speaker 5: second of all lower wages, and thirdly secret cuts to
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Speaker 5: pay for nuclear reactors. And you can't find six hundred
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Speaker 5: billion dollars to pay for those nuclear reactors without coming
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Speaker 5: after Medicare, just like Peter Dutton did when he was
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Speaker 5: the Health Minister.
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Speaker 8: Sharp as attack, I got to say I also give
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Speaker 8: him the gong tonight, and this was so much more entertaining.
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Speaker 1: You've got to agree with me.
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Speaker 8: Last night my eyes were glazed over with bottom as
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Speaker 8: elbow and Dutts there was no fisty cuffs, but these guys,
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Speaker 8: it was an absolute corker.
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Speaker 1: But what I think for.
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Speaker 8: The average Australians sitting at home watching this, all it
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Speaker 8: sounds like is two guys saying everything's great, We've been
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Speaker 8: doing so well, look at these stats, aren't you impressed.
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Speaker 1: And the other guy being like, no, he's lying.
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Speaker 8: We're not doing very well at all, and we're going
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Speaker 8: to do better, and then charmers pipes in saying well,
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Speaker 8: how are you going to do better?
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Speaker 1: You're not doing it.
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Speaker 8: What it sounds like is two guys saying, for the
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Speaker 8: better part of an hour.
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Speaker 1: Your line, no, you're lying.
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Speaker 8: What he just said isn't true, and you walk away
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Speaker 8: going if you're an average punter, okay, who is telling
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Speaker 8: the truth.
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Speaker 1: Someone's lying and I don't know who was.
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Speaker 8: Much like last night when Peter Dutton said to Albo
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Speaker 8: your government has spent more than any government in forty years,
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Speaker 8: and Albo just claps back immediately saying well that's.
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Speaker 1: Just not true, and we're all.
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Speaker 8: Sat at homegoing, well, who's telling the truth.
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Speaker 1: So that's where I feel like.
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Speaker 8: These debates, as entertaining as this one was, and I
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Speaker 8: very much enjoyed it. I think for the average Australian
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Speaker 8: who's trying to follow along at home, that's all it
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Speaker 8: sounds like.
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Speaker 3: And I found I think it's indicative of the way
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Speaker 3: politics is played these days as well, is that politics
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Speaker 3: is not played on the front foot. It's played on
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Speaker 3: the back foot. It's not about the vision, it's about, well,
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Speaker 3: what's happening right now. And that's essentially what they were
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Speaker 3: debate tonight. They weren't really debating what Australia is going
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Speaker 3: to look like in three years now, it's look like
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Speaker 3: in a decade's time. What they were debating is what
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Speaker 3: Australia is going to look like maybe in six months time,
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Speaker 3: what it's looked like for the last three years. It's
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Speaker 3: just absent, entirely absent from politics now, it would seem.
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Speaker 3: And again it goes to my point I was making
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Speaker 3: about Angus Taylor, like, you know, why didn't he pick
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Speaker 3: up on things like the fact that more than seventy
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Speaker 3: five percent of jobs created in this country last year
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Speaker 3: were in government related sectors. Say that and then give
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Speaker 3: us a vision for how you're actually going to boost
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Speaker 3: the private sector.
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Speaker 2: But that's just not how they growth. Yeah, we'll growth,
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Speaker 2: but this is just managing the economy. That's how well
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Speaker 2: done growing.
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Speaker 3: That's not how politics prey anymore. And I think we're
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Speaker 3: all worse off for it, to be perfectly honest. One
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Speaker 3: of my favorite moments, though, before we move on, I
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Speaker 3: have to say, is he gave Ross green Wood, gave, gave,
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Speaker 3: and then took away to each of them, n Jim
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Speaker 3: Charmers and Angus Taylor. To Angus Taylor, he said, everyone
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Speaker 3: I talk to says, you know, you've got a mighty intellecture,
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Speaker 3: a Rhodes scholar. You've been told since you're a kid
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Speaker 3: that you'll be prime minister when you grew up. You
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Speaker 3: were essentially made for this job. But people say that
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Speaker 3: you don't put in the work. And he sort of
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Speaker 3: danced around that. Then he said to Jim Chalmers, everyone
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Speaker 3: I talked to you says, you're across your brief. You've
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Speaker 3: got the numbers, Your work hard, your staff work hard,
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Speaker 3: but you've got one floor. And I think Charmers in
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Speaker 3: his response, actually proved it.
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Speaker 4: The one thing they say is you've got a bit
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Speaker 4: of a glass jaw that you don't cop criticism well,
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Speaker 4: or just say that.
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Speaker 5: I think over time, I've learned to understand that you
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Speaker 5: take the good with the bad.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the glass kind of comes through.
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Speaker 8: At the very moment where the last thing you should
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Speaker 8: do is get defensive, and he got defensive to Queensland.
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Speaker 8: Now where a university student at the University of the
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Speaker 8: Sunshine Coast there's lost points on an assessment because she
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Speaker 8: didn't do a welcome to country.
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Speaker 1: She's in the last two.
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Speaker 8: Weeks of her course, the course being crime Diversity and
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Speaker 8: what was the rest of the name of it, Crime
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Speaker 8: Diversity and Justice, so rather broad and she'd given this
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Speaker 8: oral assessment.
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Speaker 1: So imagine her shock when she gets her marks back.
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Speaker 8: And here's a clip of the screenshot of the feedback
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Speaker 8: she got. An acknowledgment of country would have been appropriate,
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Speaker 8: writes the marker, given your chosen topic of course.
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Speaker 1: The student was taken aback.
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Speaker 8: By this, given it wasn't in the criteria for the assessment. Now,
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Speaker 8: anyone who's been a student knows we pour over the
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Speaker 8: criteria to make sure you've ticked every box and that
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Speaker 8: you can't be marked down on something that obvious. If
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Speaker 8: they've asked for it, you give it to them. But
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Speaker 8: it was not asked for therefore she did not do it.
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Speaker 8: She took it up with the lecturer. She said, excuse me,
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Speaker 8: have I been marked down, to which they confess to her.
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Speaker 8: Had you included a welcome to country, you would have
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Speaker 8: got one or two more points. Here is the student
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Speaker 8: who's chosen to remain anonymous for obvious reasons, speaking to
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Speaker 8: four BC today.
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Speaker 9: And the fact that it was on a criteria sheet,
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Speaker 9: you know, and I still got marked down for it.
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Speaker 9: That's pretty annoying. And you know, especially I'm paying sixty
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Speaker 9: grand for this degree. It's really not fair. These classes
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Speaker 9: are very judgmental. You feel like you'd say something and
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Speaker 9: you'd get threatened or like just looked that funny if
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Speaker 9: you didn't believe the same things. Even one of the lecturers,
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Speaker 9: like she definitely had her own opinions, and if you
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Speaker 9: didn't believe that, you looked upon differently.
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Speaker 8: It's what we know is going on in classrooms, not
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Speaker 8: only in our schools, but also.
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Speaker 1: In our universities. Now.
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Speaker 8: It was just last month talking about mcquarie University including
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Speaker 8: a mandatory welcome to country in one of their law courses.
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Speaker 1: Once that got blasted in the.
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Speaker 8: Media, they turfed it as they should then just Monday
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Speaker 8: night we discussed a senior law lecturer at the University
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Speaker 8: of Queensland.
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Speaker 1: Who was threatening.
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Speaker 8: Her students regarding their future prospects because they got up
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Speaker 8: at one point in her lecture in which she was
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Speaker 8: majoring on all things Indigenous and walked out. The level
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Speaker 8: of brainwashing happening in these universities is being laid bare
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Speaker 8: by these students who are bravely blowing the whistle on
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Speaker 8: their own lecturers.
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Speaker 3: Well, is it any wonder that our academic results just
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Speaker 3: keep going through the floor. I mean, if this is
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Speaker 3: the stuff that you now get marked on, whether you
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Speaker 3: put an acknowledgment of country in your essay or I mean,
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Speaker 3: it has nothing to do with the academic rigor of
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Speaker 3: the work you have put together. It's like saying you
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Speaker 3: get extra marks because the font on the front of
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Speaker 3: it look nice. I mean, it has no bearing on
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Speaker 3: the contents of what you have written. Surely you ought
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Speaker 3: to be marked on whether the essay you've written a
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Speaker 3: makes sense and is spelt properly, and if you're writing
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Speaker 3: about diversity, crime and justice relates to that topic and
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Speaker 3: is factually correct. That's what it's all about, is it not?
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Speaker 3: If we're going to start saying you get to points
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Speaker 3: for acknowledgment of country. It's wrote learning is what they're
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Speaker 3: trying to do is that you you must do this
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Speaker 3: because we tell you you must do this. And the
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Speaker 3: thing that saddens me the most about this every time
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Speaker 3: we see an example like this, or you go to
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Speaker 3: an event and every speaker gets up and gives their
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Speaker 3: own acknowledgment of country, even though the MC is the
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Speaker 3: one at the start, and then everyone starts groaning and going.
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Speaker 7: On God exactly.
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Speaker 3: But the thing that saddens me the most about it
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Speaker 3: is it's when they go overboard like that that people
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Speaker 3: truly do start to go, well, I don't care about
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Speaker 3: any Indigenous issues anymore because they feel like it's been
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Speaker 3: rammed down their throat all the time. The people who
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Speaker 3: are pushing this stuff forward because they think they're doing
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Speaker 3: great things for the Indigenous community are actually hurting.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more.
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Speaker 7: And you're actually seeing Indigenous speak Indigenous bodies saying you
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Speaker 7: know what, enough with the acknowledgement of the country.
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Speaker 2: It's become tokenistic.
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Speaker 7: It's become sort of a perfunctory, performative thing that actually
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Speaker 7: has no real value. It certainly doesn't change anything. It
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Speaker 7: doesn't improve a lot of Indigenous people in Australia, which
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Speaker 7: is something we really need to do.
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Speaker 2: And they're say, we're going to get to that shortly.
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Speaker 7: And again this was just a I mean, this wasn't
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Speaker 7: even I mean, this wasn't even essay. It was just
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Speaker 7: someone standing up and giving an oral presentation. Presumably that
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Speaker 7: facility at which that was happening, where there were god
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Speaker 7: knows how many other students doing presentations. Presumably if people
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Speaker 7: were that exercised about having an acknowledgment of country, and
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Speaker 7: the teachers and the markers who were presumably they're listening
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Speaker 7: on the same bit of country listening to the student
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Speaker 7: were there too, but they're to hear it, they would
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Speaker 7: have actually done the thing to say if they cared
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Speaker 7: that much. But again it just makes no difference whatsoever.
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Speaker 7: It's not relevant to the actual coursework.
18:12
Speaker 8: She wants to be a policewoman, and it's like, how
18:14
Speaker 8: dare you not do it?
18:15
Speaker 7: Welcome, I'd like to know that I'm giving you a breathalyzer.
18:20
Speaker 7: But it's just it's ridiculous and it actually hurts things.
18:22
Speaker 7: It's things like this, which is why the Voice referendum
18:25
Speaker 7: went down because there was stigma and why as we're
18:27
Speaker 7: about to find out, real issues Indigenous communities are not
18:30
Speaker 7: being adequately addressed exactly.
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Speaker 3: And you mentioned that these real issues that are not
18:34
Speaker 3: being addressed, I could not believe today. And props to
18:38
Speaker 3: Matt Cunningham for taking this up and Just Enterprise as well.
18:42
Speaker 3: Our Watch, which is supposedly an anti domestic violence group
18:46
Speaker 3: they get to twenty million dollars in funding every year
18:49
Speaker 3: from the federal government, put out this booklet to media
18:53
Speaker 3: about how to report on issues of violence in Indigenous communities.
18:58
Speaker 3: And in this booklet, they say, when you talking about
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Speaker 3: domestic violence or family violence in Indigenous communities, particularly against women, quote,
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Speaker 3: do not suggest violence is part of Indigenous culture, by
19:11
Speaker 3: which they're saying that if you link the violence that
19:14
Speaker 3: is happening to Indigenous women in particular to the fact
19:18
Speaker 3: that it's Indigenous people perpetrating it, you are somehow racist.
19:23
Speaker 3: And by doing that, what they effectively do is shut
19:27
Speaker 3: down any discussion about why there are massive rates of
19:31
Speaker 3: violence in Indigenous communities. Thirty four times more likely Indigenous
19:37
Speaker 3: women are in this country than anyone else to be
19:40
Speaker 3: hospitalized with domestic violence related injuries. There are eleven times
19:45
Speaker 3: more likely than anyone else to be killed through domestic violence.
19:50
Speaker 3: Seventy two percent of assaults that result in hospitalization for
19:54
Speaker 3: Indigenous women are because of family violence, and about ninety
19:59
Speaker 3: percent of the violence committed against Aboriginal women in this
20:02
Speaker 3: country is believed to not be reported. We have a
20:06
Speaker 3: serious problem here, and you have a supposedly anti domestic
20:10
Speaker 3: violence group saying we can't talk about the real issues
20:15
Speaker 3: just siner nemperduper price as you can imagine, saw red
20:18
Speaker 3: and said, this is gas lighting Indigenous people.
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Speaker 1: Suggest that.
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Speaker 10: Violence is not used in traditional cultural related to traditional
20:30
Speaker 10: culture and not impacting the rates of violence we see
20:33
Speaker 10: in communities and interpersonal violence. Now is to gaslight the
20:39
Speaker 10: Australian public and is to control the controlled journalism in reporting.
20:44
Speaker 10: That is a form of gas lighting and silencing and
20:47
Speaker 10: doesn't do any good whatsoever for domestic and family violence victims,
20:53
Speaker 10: especially women who live in remote communities, who live under
20:58
Speaker 10: traditional customery law and those sorts of issues.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is not me a white man saying it.
21:05
Speaker 3: It is an Aboriginal woman saying the idea that this
21:09
Speaker 3: is not somehow linked to indigenous culture is not her
21:13
Speaker 3: experience as an Indigenous woman and our Northern Territory, corresponded
21:18
Speaker 3: Matt Cunningham earlier this morning on am Agenda, explained very
21:22
Speaker 3: succinctly why this is an issue we do need to
21:25
Speaker 3: talk about.
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Speaker 11: You know, more than eighty women have been killed in
21:29
Speaker 11: the Northern Territory in domestic violence incidents in the past
21:33
Speaker 11: two decades, and I think about seventy eight of those
21:37
Speaker 11: women are Aboriginal and the vast majority of the perpetrators
21:41
Speaker 11: in those cases Aboriginal men. We've seen an eighty two
21:44
Speaker 11: percent increase over the last eight years in violence against
21:48
Speaker 11: women domestic violence in the Northern Territory. Again, the vast
21:52
Speaker 11: majority of the victims are Aboriginal women and the vast
21:55
Speaker 11: majority of the perpetrators are Aboriginal men.
21:58
Speaker 3: And shocking, and yet one of the peak anti domestic
22:02
Speaker 3: violence groups in the country, Joe says, we shouldn't be
22:05
Speaker 3: talking about whether this is a cultural problem.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, look, it's completely ridiculous. Now some of the you know,
22:10
Speaker 7: the stats you mentioned, they're absolutely correct. They come from
22:12
Speaker 7: the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare and they were
22:14
Speaker 7: raised by just enter Price alongside Josephine Cashman and Marshall
22:19
Speaker 7: Langton back when they were all friends at the National
22:21
Speaker 7: Press Club years.
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Speaker 1: Ago, twenty sixteen.
22:24
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it was about ten years ago that
22:26
Speaker 7: I was about saying, so, yeah, that'd be about right.
22:28
Speaker 7: And I just remember seeing that, I remember listening to
22:31
Speaker 7: it live as it was happening. I remember seeing it
22:33
Speaker 7: was on the front page of this Joy And the
22:35
Speaker 7: next day I thought, this is it finally, because this
22:37
Speaker 7: is something that you know, i'd been talking about as
22:40
Speaker 7: well and having you know, there's fights with crazy social
22:43
Speaker 7: justice warriors on Twitter who were insisting that there was
22:46
Speaker 7: no sort of correlation between you know, remote disadvantage indigenous
22:50
Speaker 7: communities and domestic violence. There were people that, honestly, people
22:53
Speaker 7: who said, oh, well yeah, just because all the victims
22:56
Speaker 7: are much more likely to be indigenous, how do we
22:58
Speaker 7: know it's not just white men and coming to these
23:01
Speaker 7: communities and doing all this like I don't know clear
23:04
Speaker 7: that person has never ever ever been to one of
23:07
Speaker 7: these communities, and and it just it just did my
23:10
Speaker 7: head in because, of course, and I've spoken to these people.
23:12
Speaker 7: I've spoken to just Center Price about her own experience
23:15
Speaker 7: with domestic advance, which I did not believe was actually
23:17
Speaker 7: at the hand of indigenous man, but she certainly knows
23:19
Speaker 7: how terrible it is. And and you know, I've spoken
23:22
Speaker 7: to people about you know, women coming from will Kenya
23:26
Speaker 7: to the to the Parliament. They ended up speaking Indigenous
23:29
Speaker 7: antists coming from will CanYa to the National Parliament, and
23:33
Speaker 7: they ended up speaking to Pauline Hanson because no one
23:35
Speaker 7: else would talk to them, none of the actual people
23:38
Speaker 7: would talk to them. And I think they couldn't get
23:40
Speaker 7: any media there. I think for maybe maybe the SBS
23:43
Speaker 7: rocked up or maybe and I think the National Indigenous
23:45
Speaker 7: TV and ITV rocked up, and I don't I think
23:48
Speaker 7: they ended up sort of burying the yarn. They didn't
23:51
Speaker 7: seem to be any adequate explanation for that. There were
23:54
Speaker 7: you know, urban indigenous activists who then kind of took
23:57
Speaker 7: the piss out of them and we're kind of saying,
23:59
Speaker 7: was this this isn't a real story, and it's amazing,
24:02
Speaker 7: it's amazing, And all of this happened, All of this
24:04
Speaker 7: happened in plain view. This is on social media or
24:07
Speaker 7: in mainstream media, and you just wonder how many more
24:11
Speaker 7: people have to die, how many more women, how many
24:14
Speaker 7: more black women, Indigenous women. Are these activists happy to
24:18
Speaker 7: see die just so they can perpetuate a kind of
24:23
Speaker 7: false narrative or just so they can, you know, fight
24:25
Speaker 7: against racism wherever they see it. There is the most
24:29
Speaker 7: racist thing you could possibly do, exactly to continue to
24:32
Speaker 7: allow the most vulnerable cohort of women in the country
24:37
Speaker 7: to die, to be attacked, to be hospitalized, to be
24:41
Speaker 7: I mean, my wife worked in the in Tea for
24:43
Speaker 7: years and some of the you know a little bit
24:45
Speaker 7: Matt Cunningham as well, some of the stories of the
24:48
Speaker 7: viciousness of these attacks. You just would not believe that
24:50
Speaker 7: unrepeatable here. How many more are they prepared to tolerate
24:55
Speaker 7: by just pretending that everything's okay and there's no correlation,
24:58
Speaker 7: there's nothing to see here, and anyone who suggests otherwise
25:02
Speaker 7: is a racist. I mean, that is literally the definition
25:05
Speaker 7: of racism, because you're happy to see black women die
25:08
Speaker 7: in a way that would never be tolerated in the
25:11
Speaker 7: broader community. Just to pretend that everything's the fault of
25:15
Speaker 7: colonization and not the fault of some men, not or
25:20
Speaker 7: by any stretch, but some men in these indigenous communities, and.
25:24
Speaker 8: Denying the lived experience of these women. That's essentially what
25:28
Speaker 8: you're talking where it's just protecting the men at the
25:31
Speaker 8: expense of the women. It's utterly infuriating. I remember a
25:36
Speaker 8: two thousand and four case in which a fifty five
25:40
Speaker 8: year old Indigenous man had rate to fourteen year old
25:44
Speaker 8: and assaulted.
25:44
Speaker 1: Her with a boomerang, and he pleaded guilty to this.
25:48
Speaker 8: But the fellow was genuinely astounded because to his understanding
25:54
Speaker 8: of no understanding of white men's law, but to his
25:56
Speaker 8: understanding of Aboriginal law, neither of these things were off
26:01
Speaker 8: the table, and that's his understanding.
26:04
Speaker 1: I'm not talking to every Indigenous person's understanding.
26:06
Speaker 8: Of indigenous law, but to say that there aren't cultural
26:10
Speaker 8: elements of this that someone can say, to be honest,
26:14
Speaker 8: I was completely ignorant that this wasn't even something that
26:18
Speaker 8: was allowed.
26:19
Speaker 7: Sina has talked to me about that sort of stuff,
26:21
Speaker 7: and I just do not have the knowledge of it.
26:22
Speaker 7: She has said sort of similar things that there are
26:24
Speaker 7: these kind of trace elements. But I think the problem
26:26
Speaker 7: is not that there's any genuine indigenous culture that legitimizes this.
26:30
Speaker 2: The problem is that this is happening for various reasons.
26:32
Speaker 7: Including poverty, you know, booze, substance, unemployment, all these things
26:37
Speaker 7: that we know contributes to social dysfunction. This is happening
26:41
Speaker 7: disproportionately in Indigenous communities because of that social breakdown and dysfunction.
26:46
Speaker 7: And whether or not it's a part of actual genuine
26:50
Speaker 7: Indigenous culture, I do not know, but there is clearly
26:52
Speaker 7: a correlation and we need to shine more of a
26:55
Speaker 7: light on these things, not say oh no, you can't
26:58
Speaker 7: talk about.
26:58
Speaker 3: It exactly, and of because our watches are suggesting is
27:02
Speaker 3: that these discussions are off the table, which is ridiculous.
27:04
Speaker 3: You don't fix a problem if you can't talk about it.
27:07
Speaker 3: And it's astounding how fast, particularly white inner city lefties
27:13
Speaker 3: in this country will rush to talk about Australia Day
27:16
Speaker 3: or the Voice or you know, colonization and all these other.
27:20
Speaker 2: Blog bands are racist. Yes, so we've got to let.
27:22
Speaker 3: The grog flow and we've got to change the flag
27:24
Speaker 3: and all these other things that actually make no material
27:28
Speaker 3: difference to the life of any Indigenous person in this country,
27:31
Speaker 3: but they're easy to talk about and you know, it
27:35
Speaker 3: makes them feel good, and it just it frustrates me
27:39
Speaker 3: so much that we just cannot talk genuinely about these issues,
27:44
Speaker 3: and of course if you are affected by any of
27:47
Speaker 3: these issues, you can call the number that we will
27:49
Speaker 3: show on the screen.
27:51
Speaker 8: Well, on Sunday we all saw the Liberal Party stand
27:55
Speaker 8: down Ben Britten from running for the seat of Whitlam
27:58
Speaker 8: because he had said ed shock, horror, women should not
28:02
Speaker 8: be on the front lines of combat. They are not
28:05
Speaker 8: suited to combat roles. And he very eloquently explained his
28:09
Speaker 8: position and the Libs turfed him saying, oh, well, these
28:13
Speaker 8: aren't in line with our views. Well, some very astute
28:16
Speaker 8: observers have then bought up the fact that Andrew Hasty
28:20
Speaker 8: said the exact same thing in twenty eighteen.
28:24
Speaker 12: Here he was then my personal view, since you've asked me,
28:28
Speaker 12: is that close combat roles are incredibly exacting. That's why
28:32
Speaker 12: we have rigorous selection courses. And my personal view is
28:36
Speaker 12: that the fighting DNA of a close combat unit is
28:40
Speaker 12: best preserved when it's exclusively male.
28:44
Speaker 1: Who among us would disagree.
28:46
Speaker 8: But now that Labor has had this brought to light,
28:49
Speaker 8: Richard Miles, who is the Defense Minister, obviously Andrew Hasty
28:53
Speaker 8: being the shadow Defense Minister, Richard Miles has decided well
28:57
Speaker 8: for this crime of acknowledging the bleeding of v S.
29:03
Speaker 1: Andrew Hasty has got to go.
29:06
Speaker 5: It is utterly untenable that the alternative defense Minister of
29:10
Speaker 5: this country has a view that women should not be
29:14
Speaker 5: serving in combat roles.
29:17
Speaker 1: Untenable.
29:18
Speaker 8: It's just an acknowledgment of the obvious.
29:22
Speaker 1: I couldn't have.
29:23
Speaker 8: Agreed more heartily with another combat veteran who called into
29:28
Speaker 8: three AW today to give us a very practical reason
29:32
Speaker 8: why women should be nowhere near the front lines.
29:37
Speaker 7: Now.
29:37
Speaker 13: I've got the greatest respect for women in uniform. They
29:40
Speaker 13: can do all sorts of things. But in a combat unit,
29:43
Speaker 13: if I'm unconscious or wounded and they have to carry
29:47
Speaker 13: me off the battlefield, well, I'm six foot three on
29:49
Speaker 13: away one hundred and ten kilos more with all mcgearon.
29:53
Speaker 13: They are unlikely to carry me over their shoulder off
29:56
Speaker 13: the battlefield. If I'm unconscious in the hatch of an
29:58
Speaker 13: armored vehicle, they're unlike we'll be able to reach down
30:01
Speaker 13: and pull me out of the burning vehicle. So my
30:03
Speaker 13: safety's compromised, and we make safety is compromised unless they
30:06
Speaker 13: can do that.
30:08
Speaker 1: Who among us would disagree with that? Mate? If you're
30:11
Speaker 1: in any of those situations, and I toddle along. Just
30:14
Speaker 1: know you're going to die in the best of company.
30:16
Speaker 1: But that's the best I can do for you, both women,
30:20
Speaker 1: Even the fittest I own dumbells.
30:22
Speaker 8: By the way, even the fittest we've got the upper
30:25
Speaker 8: body strength of a dead guinea pig compared to even
30:27
Speaker 8: the weakest of men. This is how God designed us, period.
30:32
Speaker 8: And the fact that Ben Britton was stood down now
30:36
Speaker 8: means of course the Dutton's got egg all over his face.
30:38
Speaker 8: The last thing he needs now is more egg on
30:41
Speaker 8: that face. But he's got it because you stood Ben
30:44
Speaker 8: Britton down for saying this, buddy, and your own shadow
30:48
Speaker 8: Minister of Defense who's also been on the front line,
30:52
Speaker 8: so jolly well knows far better than you said it
30:56
Speaker 8: years ago. So how do you explain your way out
30:58
Speaker 8: of this one? I you don't think you can.
31:01
Speaker 2: I think you can. I'm going to give it a
31:05
Speaker 2: red hot guy.
31:06
Speaker 7: Firstly, Andrew Hasty did not say that in the middle
31:09
Speaker 7: of an election campaign. And when you are in the
31:11
Speaker 7: middle of election campaign, all these things are hyper sensitive
31:14
Speaker 7: and they're sort of ratcheted up to eleven, so they
31:16
Speaker 7: take on a much much greater importance. Than to what
31:19
Speaker 7: you might say as a purely personal view, so not
31:22
Speaker 7: a matter of government policy.
31:23
Speaker 2: But this is his own that's not fair.
31:25
Speaker 1: So it's down to time and yes.
31:27
Speaker 2: And he was not.
31:28
Speaker 7: And of course it is yeah, absolutely an election campaign,
31:31
Speaker 7: the rules are completely different and you just have to
31:37
Speaker 7: make really quick, immediate hard decisions to limit quarterize whatever
31:44
Speaker 7: damage you see coming so you don't there is zero
31:47
Speaker 7: tolerance for mistakes and any mistakes that are made have
31:50
Speaker 7: to be immediately quarterized.
31:52
Speaker 8: And so from this though, I mean I was astounded
31:56
Speaker 8: that he did this, No, I dare say the base,
31:59
Speaker 8: much like me, was like, what the hell do you think.
32:02
Speaker 2: Is going to vote from anyway?
32:03
Speaker 7: So this is the thing he has to win over
32:06
Speaker 7: undecided voters, soft voters, and he really really really has
32:09
Speaker 7: to win over women because that is where Peter Dutton's
32:13
Speaker 7: support is softest, is weakest, but get women voters, he
32:17
Speaker 7: doesn't get elected. And so if he lets comments like
32:20
Speaker 7: this stand in an election campaign, and of course you
32:22
Speaker 7: know the Labor Party would have been sitting on them
32:24
Speaker 7: for a while and then drop them out.
32:26
Speaker 3: And this is what the males is trying to play on.
32:31
Speaker 2: I don't think the woman problem that I don't think
32:34
Speaker 2: that will get it.
32:34
Speaker 7: Firstly, I am not going to say anything negative about
32:38
Speaker 7: a former SAS captain who has served his country with
32:40
Speaker 7: absolute distinction. And I like Andrew Hasty and I think
32:44
Speaker 7: he's a very decent man, and I think the way
32:47
Speaker 7: he made those comments were extremely.
32:50
Speaker 2: Sort of thoughtful.
32:51
Speaker 7: He stressed that it was his personal view, he gave
32:53
Speaker 7: his sort of thinking for it. I mean, by that definition,
32:56
Speaker 7: pretty much every man I know would also not qualify
32:59
Speaker 7: for the combat unit, because I don't think I held
33:02
Speaker 7: any of my mates.
33:03
Speaker 2: I've got a couple of mates chance that's not pure muscle.
33:11
Speaker 7: So yeah, I think if a woman can get up
33:14
Speaker 7: to the necessary physical standards, but they.
33:17
Speaker 1: Lowered, and that's.
33:20
Speaker 3: If everyone met the same standard, I don't think.
33:22
Speaker 7: We need more troops than those standards do need to
33:24
Speaker 7: be lower or maybe that is something Well, two people
33:27
Speaker 7: who pull.
33:28
Speaker 3: Out, we can we can talk to your mate about
33:29
Speaker 3: whether one hundred and ten kilos of pure VB could
33:32
Speaker 3: get you over the last and you're not one hundred
33:35
Speaker 3: and ten kilos and it's not pure V but it's
33:38
Speaker 3: pure Pikes reasons and a.
33:40
Speaker 2: Bit of Crown lagger because I'm aspirationing.
33:43
Speaker 1: This man is on KFC. I have no idea how
33:46
Speaker 1: you remain spell that's amazing.
33:48
Speaker 3: Genuinely, I don't know the last time I had a crowdy. Actually, no,
33:53
Speaker 3: I do know the last time I had a crowdy.
33:57
Speaker 1: I had a crowdy a.
33:58
Speaker 3: Couple of months ago, actually because I was like, I
34:00
Speaker 3: couldn't remember the last time I had one, and I thought, well,
34:02
Speaker 3: I've got to do it, just to say I've done
34:05
Speaker 3: it now. I told you at the top of the
34:06
Speaker 3: show that i'd give you some shocking numbers when it
34:09
Speaker 3: comes to how many people want Donald Trump and Elon
34:12
Speaker 3: Musk dead, and here they are, like, this is genuinely shocking.
34:16
Speaker 3: This is a polling research that's been done by the
34:19
Speaker 3: Network Contagion Research Institute in the US, and what they
34:24
Speaker 3: do is look at how people feel about ideologies and
34:26
Speaker 3: particular threats that may come out of them. And you
34:29
Speaker 3: can see the graph there on the screen that of
34:32
Speaker 3: people who say they are left of center, forty eight
34:35
Speaker 3: point six percent say there is justification for the murder
34:39
Speaker 3: of Elon Musk, and more than half fifty five point
34:42
Speaker 3: two percent say there is justification for the murder of
34:47
Speaker 3: Donald Trump. He has got fifty seven point six percent
34:50
Speaker 3: who say that there is a justification to destroy Tesla dealerships.
34:55
Speaker 3: I mean, this is your brain on leftism. This is
34:59
Speaker 3: the piece lift it's now saying it's okay to go
35:03
Speaker 3: around murdering presidents and people who clean up the public service.
35:08
Speaker 7: At least there are two and a half percent of
35:10
Speaker 7: leftists who would destroy a Tesla dealership.
35:14
Speaker 2: But not kill anybody. Yeah, well they're the true heroes?
35:18
Speaker 2: Are they the true free.
35:20
Speaker 3: It is just it's just insane. And if you wanted
35:23
Speaker 3: an example of just how bad all of this has become,
35:26
Speaker 3: this was from a recent rally, and this is the
35:29
Speaker 3: retoric they are using. They are talking about, let's kill
35:32
Speaker 3: Donald Trump.
35:35
Speaker 2: The ahead of Donald Trump, are you calling for his death?
35:38
Speaker 1: I am yes. I believe it's time that the people
35:41
Speaker 1: street cut off.
35:42
Speaker 2: Fine says.
35:43
Speaker 14: If you want to know how fascism ends, ask Benito Mussolini.
35:47
Speaker 2: And they hung him right, yep, they hung him.
35:49
Speaker 14: By his feet from a lamp post. That's exactly what
35:51
Speaker 14: every fascist deserves. The only good fascist is a dead fascist.
35:54
Speaker 2: Now are you calling for that to happen to our president?
35:58
Speaker 1: Right now?
35:59
Speaker 14: I believe that the minute the Donald Trump decided to
36:01
Speaker 14: start ignoring judicial orders, he gave up the right to
36:04
Speaker 14: be the rightful president of the United States. He's an
36:05
Speaker 14: enemy of the nation, and yes, I'd like to see
36:07
Speaker 14: him hung by his feet by a lamppost.
36:10
Speaker 2: So you wouldn't necessarily call for violence, would you?
36:12
Speaker 15: Are you supporting violence?
36:15
Speaker 1: I think there's the people in power. That's all they're
36:18
Speaker 1: going to listen to. At this point.
36:20
Speaker 8: I feel like we've done the rallies, We've done all
36:22
Speaker 8: these things, and they don't listen.
36:23
Speaker 1: And that was something that finally got people to listen.
36:26
Speaker 2: For christ Sack.
36:27
Speaker 3: If that don't put Trump arrangement syndrome in the next
36:29
Speaker 3: edition of The Dame, I'm going to rally about it
36:33
Speaker 3: because it is a genuine mental illness at this point.
36:35
Speaker 8: One hundred percent, and as we know from the previous
36:38
Speaker 8: assassination attempts on Trump's life, all it takes is one
36:43
Speaker 8: of these crazies just going a little bit of an
36:46
Speaker 8: extra mile, and they genuinely believe.
36:49
Speaker 1: As you just soar and as.
36:50
Speaker 8: This pole depicts this is called for, you would be
36:54
Speaker 8: doing the world a favor.
36:55
Speaker 1: That is what they believe.
36:56
Speaker 2: They are extremists.
36:57
Speaker 7: They are extremists and again, I think that their freedom fighters,
37:00
Speaker 7: they think they're doing the right thing, and they've got
37:02
Speaker 7: their little reasons and that's exactly how.
37:04
Speaker 3: Terrorist indeed, and they will come for him, mark my words.
37:08
Speaker 2: After the break, Cindra Allen.
37:09
Speaker 3: Could be in a bit of trouble. Labor powerbrokers are
37:12
Speaker 3: plotting for her demise. We'll talk about that after this.
37:22
Speaker 3: In further news about Joe's cryptic crossword, we've just come
37:25
Speaker 3: up with foot rot.
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Speaker 7: We have nineteen down in the time. Sorry, if you're
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Speaker 7: doing it at Harden into like a soiling order at
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Speaker 7: the first adversing problem in flock.
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Speaker 3: Can't You can't go around doing that, Joe.
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Speaker 7: That's that's like when they were any good, if they cared,
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Speaker 7: they would have already die.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's that's true.
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Speaker 3: But I sometimes hear people call up on the ABC
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Speaker 3: after midnight and they give out the word, I mean.
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Speaker 1: You can't do that.
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Speaker 2: We haven't done it yet.
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Speaker 3: Let's get to the front of the ods tomorrow, which
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Speaker 3: says Judge Lash's Child Gender Meds and Experts in blow
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Speaker 3: for Peak Clinic. This is an extraordinary store exclusive here,
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Speaker 3: one of the one of Australia. Sorry, foremost child gender
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Speaker 3: meds and experts has been ruled to have misled the
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Speaker 3: family Court when giving evidence to support a mother who
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Speaker 3: wished to prescribe her child puberty blockers, in an astonishing
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Speaker 3: judgment that calls into question the integrity of one of
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Speaker 3: the nation's peak gender clinics. Justice Andrew Strum's judgment, which
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Speaker 3: stripped the mother of custody and effectively prevented the child
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Speaker 3: from accessing treatment, criticized the approach of hospitals to children
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Speaker 3: questioning their gender, saying this is quite interesting the decision
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Speaker 3: to affirm unreservedly any child that raises concerns over their
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Speaker 3: gender is quote oddly binary. Funny about that. It also
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Speaker 3: turns out that this kid and the mother had been
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Speaker 3: saying that he had gender dysphoria and should be treated.
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Speaker 3: The father disagreed and said that he shouldn't be treated.
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Speaker 3: So this is why it's been going through the courts.
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Speaker 3: But it turned out that this kid, despite being treated
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Speaker 3: at this hospital since the age of six, was not
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Speaker 3: given a formal diagnos of gender dysphoria until this court
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Speaker 3: case started. I mean, there are so many questions and
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Speaker 3: holes in this and I'm glad to see the family
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Speaker 3: Court finally waking up to the dangers.
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Speaker 2: Of this day.
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Speaker 1: Here, Justice Andrew Strom, you have my heart, buddy. This
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Speaker 1: is the first time an.
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Speaker 8: Australian judge has blown a hole in this whole idea
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Speaker 8: of odd gender affirming and we're using best practice here
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Speaker 8: at these gender affirming clinics.
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Speaker 1: No you're not.
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Speaker 8: You are activists and you are butchers in my humble opinion.
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Speaker 1: And props to.
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Speaker 8: The dad for pursuing this to the nth degree and
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Speaker 8: getting justice for his child. He simply said, I just
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Speaker 8: want to let the kid be the kid.
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Speaker 1: And we'll see what happens. It was the mum who
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Speaker 1: was ramming down this gender.
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Speaker 8: Affirming care and thank goodness, this judge has stripped the
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Speaker 8: mother of her custody. It's like you were doing the
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Speaker 8: wrong thing by the child. You were not protecting this child.
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Speaker 8: And some of these quotes from this justice he said,
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Speaker 8: this is a case about a child, and a relatively
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Speaker 8: young one at that, not one about the cause of
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Speaker 8: transgender people.
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Speaker 1: How many times do we see.
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Speaker 8: A particular lobby take up these cases as if it's
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Speaker 8: all about them, instead of making it about the individual
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Speaker 8: case of a child and what is best for that child.
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Speaker 8: I just I love this story that justice has finally
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Speaker 8: been done. Read the rest of the article because the
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Speaker 8: rest of the quotes by this justice are absolute gold.
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Speaker 7: And another bit of gold and very interesting anyway, is
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Speaker 7: at the bottom of the eyes. Bowen trials local tech
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Speaker 7: millionaire in shock poll. Climate change and Energy Minister Chris
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Speaker 7: Bowen is in danger of losing his Western Sydney seat
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Speaker 7: of McMahon to local tech millionaire Matt Cammonzoli. According to
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Speaker 7: independent polling. It shows power bills as a top concern.
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Speaker 7: Now Chris Bowen holds his seat by a country mind,
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Speaker 7: I think he holds it by about twenty percent or
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Speaker 7: something like that.
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Speaker 2: It's absolutely huge. But I hear you here we go.
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Speaker 7: Not only does this poly show miss bown behind the
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Speaker 7: local businessman, also just below no that company right anyway,
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Speaker 7: amazing stuff.
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Speaker 8: I actually met the second bit here. Compass polling last
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Speaker 8: weekend shows him. You're quite right about the ten percent margin.
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Speaker 8: But Compass polling last weekend shows him on nineteen percent support,
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Speaker 8: with mister camon Zulie on forty one percent.
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Speaker 16: I don't believe it.
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Speaker 2: I would find that. I don't believe any tiny bit
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Speaker 2: You've got to believe. But anyway, we can dream. But
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Speaker 2: I did, can I say?
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Speaker 7: I did meet Matt Cammonzoli on Friday, I believe last
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Speaker 7: Friday at the Western Sydney for and he came up
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Speaker 7: and said hello, and his campaign manager was very quick
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Speaker 7: who who I had known it as, very quick to
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Speaker 7: grab my details and get in touch and blah blah,
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Speaker 7: and he said it's on.
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Speaker 2: He said, we are speaking to people all the time.
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Speaker 7: We're getting absolutely I didn't know anything about this pole,
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Speaker 7: but he said, there's actually a real And to be honest,
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Speaker 7: I've been focusing on the sort of Muslim vote threat
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Speaker 7: to Tony Burke in Watson and Jason Claire and Blackslan
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Speaker 7: hadn't really been thinking about Chris Bowen and McMahon.
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Speaker 2: That much and Chris and Chris Bowen was also at
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Speaker 2: the event and looked a little bit uncomfortable. So that
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Speaker 2: was why can imagine but that was.
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Speaker 3: That was that is if that happens, well, on paper,
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Speaker 3: it should be the easiest place to take up that
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Speaker 3: kind of fight because you're literally in the electorate of
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Speaker 3: the guy who you can say drove up your power bills, right,
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Speaker 3: so it would seem an easy one to be able
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Speaker 3: to prosecute whether or not the numbers who like primary
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Speaker 3: support for Bowen dropping to nineteen percent and.
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Speaker 1: They're ahead of him by one point, So they've got the.
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Speaker 8: The nineteen percent and camon Zulie is on forty one.
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Speaker 3: That would be utterly extraordinary. But let's just hope that
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Speaker 3: there is some element of truth to it that would die.
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Speaker 2: This is the great guy.
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Speaker 17: To the front page of the Herald Son while we're
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Speaker 17: talking about good news, Labor bombshell premier facing pressure to
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Speaker 17: quit if Victorian seats a hit hard in May third
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Speaker 17: federal poll.
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Speaker 8: With powerbrokers canvassing bold move to replace her amid collapse
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Speaker 8: in public support.
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Speaker 1: Just Center may Day reads the splash.
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Speaker 8: Jacinta Alan will face pressure to quit if labor is
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Speaker 8: hit hard in Victoria at the fourthcoming election, with senior
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Speaker 8: party figures actively canvassing a move against her. Labor powerbrokers
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Speaker 8: have been in talks for weeks about a leadership change.
43:45
Speaker 8: The shock move comes amid a collapse in her public
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Speaker 8: support and anger over her government's handling of youth crime
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Speaker 8: and continued commitment to the Jolly suburban rail loop.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't say jolly, I just inserted that in there.
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Speaker 1: Could it be?
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Speaker 7: Could it be yeah again just to put my ABM
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Speaker 7: I ALP little all the things you hate ALP A
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Speaker 7: V C A C T you A okay, all the
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Speaker 7: way with LBJ. But so if this was to happen,
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Speaker 7: the most likely person to replace her would be Ben Carroll,
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Speaker 7: has senior figure from the right and deputy. And this
44:29
Speaker 7: would mean that even though the left still would technically
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Speaker 7: control the branch and i say, the caucus in Victoria,
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Speaker 7: the leadership would finally return to the right of the party,
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Speaker 7: which is the way that God wants it, and and
44:44
Speaker 7: it would be hopefully the beginning of the sort of
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Speaker 7: reversal of what happened when they put Daniel Andrews in,
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Speaker 7: which was when the right controlled the party machine and
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Speaker 7: the caucus, and then put Dan Andrews as a kind
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Speaker 7: of at the governor's pleasure, at the behest.
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Speaker 2: Of the of the right, thinking they would always have control.
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Speaker 8: But do you think that is what will actually happen though,
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Speaker 8: or wouldn't it be? The article says if they lose
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Speaker 8: three seats.
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Speaker 1: Or more in Victoria, they're going to turf her.
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Speaker 8: But will the natural succession take.
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Speaker 1: Place or will there just be in all.
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Speaker 2: Our faction war or left could so what happened?
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Speaker 7: So the left could say absolutely, under no circumstance will
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Speaker 7: we tolerate a cannon from the right. But MPs are
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Speaker 7: very fond of one thing.
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Speaker 2: That is their jobs.
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Speaker 7: And so if he's seen as a person who can
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Speaker 7: save the most seats, then they'll say, all right, whatever.
45:34
Speaker 7: And because labor is so headed for a wipeout, everyone,
45:37
Speaker 7: every labor and is going to be watching their own back.
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Speaker 3: And don't forget, when Andrews left, it was thought that
45:42
Speaker 3: Tim Pallace would be the depity, and then.
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Speaker 1: You'd have two people who the science was left again.
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Speaker 3: And he has since from the right to left right correct, correct,
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Speaker 3: And at the time the right did a route and
45:54
Speaker 3: got Ben Carol into the second position. So nothing's out
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Speaker 3: of the question. Start as I'm concerned, lever there because
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Speaker 3: it's the best chance we have of breaking the circuit
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Speaker 3: to get rid of the alp in Victoria. After the break,
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Speaker 3: the dire Wolf has been brought back from extinction after
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Speaker 3: ten thousand years. I've never seen Joe so exting what
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Speaker 3: I did.
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Speaker 2: Possibly go wrong?
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Speaker 3: Talk about a topic before he'll get into it.
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Speaker 1: After this.
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Speaker 3: Joe's still trying to crack that cryptic crossword. But something
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Speaker 3: you are well across is the dire Wolf.
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Speaker 7: Something I have cracked is the dire Wolf's DNA. It's
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Speaker 7: a ten thousand year old giant man eating beast, and
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Speaker 7: so scientists have decided they're going to bring one back
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Speaker 7: to life.
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Speaker 2: What could possibly go wrong? What right idea?
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Speaker 7: Have these people not seen Jurassic Park nor Land? So
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Speaker 7: ten millennie of pass as I mentioned since the dire
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Speaker 7: Wolf's howl was last heard across the tundra of North America.
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Speaker 7: Notes the incredibly purple prose of this article that I'm
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Speaker 7: reading from now, in a laboratory and a secret location,
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Speaker 7: they have brought two six month old pups back to
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Speaker 7: a life. Now, let's listen to one of the people
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Speaker 7: behind this. His name is Ben Lamb from Colossal Biosciences.
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Speaker 7: I mean, does that not rise a few alarm bells?
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Speaker 7: And he is talking about accusations that they are playing God.
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Speaker 2: Have a listen.
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Speaker 16: What right do you have to invade the natural process
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Speaker 16: of nature and to inject your curiosity and your ability
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Speaker 16: to create new life.
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Speaker 15: I think that we've become the apex part around this planet,
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Speaker 15: and we inject our curiosity and choices every day that
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Speaker 15: we overpitch the ocean, we overhunt something. In the case
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Speaker 15: of the thylacine, the Australian government put a bounty on
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Speaker 15: its head and killed it off right. And every time
47:46
Speaker 15: we cut down the rainforest, every every time we drink
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Speaker 15: hydrogenated water, we are you know, playing god on some level.
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Speaker 7: And of course he says all this about contamination violasy
47:56
Speaker 7: to highlight Joe Rogan's marijuana stock, but just probably a vape.
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Speaker 7: I think safety first. But anyway, but I know he
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Speaker 7: does like that. But this is like, I just don't
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Speaker 7: get it. So it's okay to bring back a prehistoric
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Speaker 7: monster from the dead because like human beings, a bad
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Speaker 7: climate change, ecodiversity.
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Speaker 2: It's just absolutely terrifying.
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Speaker 7: This, by the way, is what a direwolf's how sounds like?
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Speaker 3: Well, the puppy anyway.
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Speaker 7: As I said, these are terrifying, cold blooded killers.
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Speaker 2: They have even called.
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Speaker 7: The two brothers Romulus and Remus, who, of course, if
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Speaker 7: you're playing at home with the co founders of Rome,
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Speaker 7: the twin the boys of Brothers who were suckled by
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Speaker 7: they were abandoned on the hilltop. They were suckled by
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Speaker 7: a direwolf, and they survived only for Romulus to then
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Speaker 7: kill Remus and found the city of Rome, which is
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Speaker 7: why it's called home and not ream.
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Speaker 3: And so that would do that would foretell that great
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Speaker 3: things are now going to happen.
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Speaker 2: With these two pups.
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Speaker 3: I mean, they took it from the DNA of thirteen
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Speaker 3: thousand year old tooth and a seventy two thousand year
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Speaker 3: old skull. What will science come up with next? That's
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