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#147 Thoughts on Israel / Who’s Representing Jews? / Biblical Exiles /The Need for Leadership · Come Together with Ephraim Herschmann

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Welcome to another episode of Come Together.
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We are live for what's going to be one of the hardest episodes
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that I've ever had to record Was my third take.
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Trying to get through it, and it's really, really, really
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hard. But I think I'm getting my
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thoughts organized in an order enough to be able to be able to
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make this cohesion coherent. Excuse me, this topic is so hard
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for me to cover because I am Jewish first.
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Jewish first, not American first or Israeli first.
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I'm Jewish first. I live and breathe and will die
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by the Jewish values and the Torah values and the ones that
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are that are completely committed to life and completely
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committed to, to develop an evolution of consciousness and
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the the weight of the responsibility of trying to fix
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the world around us in a healthy, positive and uplifting
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way. We'll live and die by these
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values. And I do live and die by these
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values and I raise my family with these values.
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And so it's really, really difficult to talk about
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particular particular topics and current events, the news,
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because it requires a lot of nuance.
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And I hope that I hope God gives me the the strength and the
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words to be nuanced. Hashem should help me.
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There's a Jewish, there's an idea in Jewish literature, a
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Jewish concept called exile Gullus, not the secret, not not
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well known. There's various Jewish exiles
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that happened to the Jewish people and there, and there was
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like this 4 ones that are of quote UN quote biblical
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proportions because you can call obviously called the Spanish
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Spanish Inquisition. You know, obviously in exile.
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You can call Holocaust in exile, of course, but as far as the
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biblical ones, there is Egypt, which was Mitryam.
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It's a very famous Let My People Go story and great DreamWorks
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movie, I think based on that. Then there was Babylon and
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Greece and then what was called Adam, and we don't really know
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who Adam. Well, yeah, who the nation is
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today, which is really, really interesting because I think
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that's intentional. And one of the reasons why
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that's intentional is because there's a concept that whenever
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we were exiled, it wasn't just because a bunch of people came
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and chose, Hey, everyone, real quick, if you're enjoying the
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Thanks so much to beat up on us, even though that does happen.
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But the primal and fundamental and biblical exiles are ones
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that are actually self-inflicted, that we actually
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look inside towards ourselves and say what did we screw up
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with? How did we sabotage one another?
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What did we do to break the word of God?
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What did we do to break the Torah and to pretend to be holy
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and to pretend to be great and to pretend to be something that
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we're not? And people, I mean, you know,
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and you have stories of during the First Temple that they're
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only just, I think like 30 something high priests are
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calling God, calling Goddess, which are the representatives of
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the entire people. It's like the holiest spiritual
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position that that's held in in for the Jewish people.
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And in the Second Temple, there was hundreds.
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And one of the reasons why was because it was a sign of
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corruption and that the people are trying to buy their way into
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spiritual greatness and they're trying to buy their way into
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positions of spiritual authority.
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And it it doesn't work. And it doesn't work.
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And we don't know who Adam is, but we know that there's a
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prototype for him, which was Asaph or Yaakov for Jacob's twin
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brother. And there's a difference in
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philosophy. That was really what the primal
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thing was, the primal conflict. There was a difference in
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philosophy. And maybe that's why we don't
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know who Adam is as, as a country, because I think we're
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fighting a philosophy. I think there's a philosophy,
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there's a, you know, and everyone keeps on talking about
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spiritual wars. And obviously there's a
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spiritual war. Obviously there are wonderful
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people with the with the best intentions.
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And most people that you and I will come across with are good
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people. And then there are people that
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aren't and there are and there are people that aren't, and
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there are a lot of people that aren't that pretend to be good.
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That's one thing, right? And so I want to say that right
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off the bat, when I talk about the conflict that's happening
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right now in the world and my criticism of the state of
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Israel, if I'm going to criticize them, and I am a
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little bit, I'm not talking about the people.
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I'm not talking about the land, I'm not talking about the
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businesses. I'm not even talking about the
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IDFII there, there is so much Flack that goes to the IDF these
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days. There's so much Flack that,
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that, that, that against talking, you know, that goes
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with talking about the people in Israel and how beautiful the
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country is and how incredible the, how incredible.
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It, it's just, it, I mean, I, I, I love the place.
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I lived there for a year and a half.
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I've been there. I, I've travelled there probably
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a dozen times, half a dozen times in my life.
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I don't know exactly how many. I've been travelling since I was
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a kid. And man, actually, I grew up my
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whole life basically associating the state of Israel with
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Orthodox Judaism and, and only, and, and there was a really,
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really wonderful program. And there really is a really
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wonderful philosophy that actually does embrace it.
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And they do really wonderful, they do really wonderful things.
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They bring biblical concepts to life in modern day, in modern
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day Israel. And they have incredible
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biblical sights and tours and ruins.
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And, and I mean like the day, the history literally comes to
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life and you're traveling and, and you go to Israel and you've
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been reading about these places, the cities that you've been
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hearing about your entire life and you've been learning about
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your entire life. And, and you're, and you're, and
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you're praying about and you're able to just like hop on a bus
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and go through them and, and you get off the bus and there's just
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a sense of community. And, and as far as the IDF goes,
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and I think it's so much Flack. It's crazy because there's such,
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because you know what? So many of them are just amazing
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kids that are just like 17181920 year olds that make people feel
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comfortable in the street, that give a sense of like family and
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give a sense of care and like you don't walk around and you
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don't walk around. Man.
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In America, we've been kind of, and I think this is all, I think
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obviously a lot of this is social manufacturing.
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And there's no question about it that social media does a lot of
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this and that the fact that we're so addicted to our phones,
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we're so addicted to social media and the fact that we're
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more isolated than ever and that everything is able to be online
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and universities are online and jobs are online and
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relationships are falling apart around the world.
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And you're and then and then Americans don't trust one
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another. I mean, like, it's a total
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opposite world in Israel. It's a total opposite world in
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Israel. You go there and you feel safe
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in the street and you go there and you and you feel safe
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dealing with people. And yeah, I know there's going
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to be pushed back. I know whatever from the
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majority of the time, whether you're Jewish or not, whether
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you're Jewish or not, there's always people going there,
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There's always tourists there. There's always, I mean, and you
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know, I mean, I never felt uncomfortable, scared really
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going through the Arab shock. And you know, I mean, I used to
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when I was when I was younger and then, and then my
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grandfather explained that, hey, these guys are just businessmen
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that are just trying to feed their families and they're not
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really interested in in fighting.
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And like if there are, if there is fighting, they lose business.
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They're not interested in that either.
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Like regular people are not interested in fighting.
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And I'd even realize the weight of those words.
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I don't think he realized the weight of those words.
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The notion, the idea that regular people don't want to
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fight. Regular people just want to live
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and just want to have their families and just want to be
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happy and just want a place to be able to raise their kids and
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spend time together. That's what regular people want.
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And yes, I'm not criticizing Israel as a country.
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I'm not criticizing this, the army even, you know, I'm not
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criticizing the businesses. I'm not criticizing anything
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about the place. I'm criticizing the leaders.
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I'm criticizing the I'm criticizing BB, I'm criticizing
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man. There's, I mean, the truth is
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I'm not, I was never even involved in politics.
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I never even knew what this politics were until it started
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having the impact on on everything.
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OK, wait. I want to make sure that I'm not
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going to, I want to reel it in to make sure I'm going to get
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not emotional about this. So the state of the state of
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Israel was created in a real rush.
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And there was, you know, immediately post Holocaust and a
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lot of young people, a lot of young extreme people, which, you
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know, is obviously something you probably need to start a state
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came together and they had a lot of questions and conflict within
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themselves as to what they really expected the what they
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envisioned the country to be. Was this going to be a religious
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place? Was this going to be a secular
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place? Was this going to be exclusively
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Jewish? Was this not going to be
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exclusively Jewish? If not, what percentage?
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What about army? What about governance?
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What about airports? Like, you know, how much of a
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quote UN quote country are we? We knew that there was a
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absolute need post Holocaust for a home for the Jews, but we
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didn't know what that home was necessarily going to look like.
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And it was as if everyone kind of just put their stuff down was
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like, well, I'll figure it out later.
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Let's just get it and then we'll figure it out.
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And I think that we're still paying for that.
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I think we're still paying the consequence of creating a
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country without an identity till today, because the country does
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not have an identity. The country is kind of
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schizophrenic. Actually.
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There's conflict between and I'm not, I'm not trying to, I'm
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sorry. And I'm saying this is largely
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generalized philosophical conflict.
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It might boil over with a couple of individuals, but generally
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speaking, it's primarily philosophical and not a
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conflict. I say that there's infighting
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and dis hate and hate in that kind of sense, although
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obviously there are extreme cases.
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But between the, you know, the Orthodox community and the
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secular community and between, you know, in between the people
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that are expansionist with their ideology and people that are
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passive and, you know, a little bit more, a little bit more
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pacifistic, pessimistic about things.
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And we didn't really ever answer that question.
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And I think that right now, this entire, I think that this
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conflict, there are a lot of the conflicts that have been going
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on are a consequence of us not necessarily knowing who we are
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and what we're expecting ourselves to be.
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The country's becoming, you know, the country's becoming
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religious very quickly. And that actually might be a
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good thing. It might be a good thing.
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And I'm not talking. And I also want to say that real
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quickly that when I say religious, I'm not talking about
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the religious representation within government of Israel
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because I don't know anything about them.
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But that's not but anyone but most of the villages, people I
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know, Orthodox people that I know or most of the people that
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embrace an Orthodox ideology wouldn't even bother getting
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involved in politics to begin with.
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So the type of people that already are, you know, in the
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upper echelons of Israeli politics, which is almost like
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being on the upper echelons of American politics, the amount of
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involvement that they have with one another, most Orthodox
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people wouldn't want any part in that.
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And not speaking for everyone, I'm sure there are some people
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that would, but generally speaking, people don't want
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that. So I'm not talking about those
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leaders. But in general, Orthodox
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families tend to have more kids, tend to procreate much faster,
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and the secular community tends to have one or two kids or if
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that, you know. And so at a certain point, the
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pop and in a small country like Israel, which is the size of New
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Jersey with I even know how many people are in it, that's that
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crazy couple million people, maybe 10 million people.
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I'm actually going to look that up and cut this out.
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No need to cut that out. I was right.
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It was 10 million people. OK.
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But yeah, you know, so I mean, out of those 10 million people
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20 years ago, 30 years ago, a huge percentage of them were not
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religious. And then now that numbers
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switching. I, I, I remember, I think it was
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a comedy Hughes interview. He was talking about the numbers
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that were switched, the percentages of religious to not
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religious. And that is flipping pretty
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quickly. But this is actually where I
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want to segue into also a really, really important
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conversation about Jewish representation and Jewish
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voices. And that is that man, here we
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go. When I when I've done a couple
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of podcasts with a couple of Israelis and you know, secular,
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primarily a couple of religious ones, but primarily secular.
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And, you know, I've been on the phone with them and I try to do
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a pre call conversation with everyone I do a podcast with
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just to kind of get a feel for the person before we talk,
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before we record for an hour, hour and a half, two hours,
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whatever it is. And the Israelis have always
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said to me, whenever we're talking on the phone, I'd say,
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how's it going over there? I speak Hebrew.
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So I, you know, when I hear that they're Israeli, I switch to
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Hebrew and talk a little bit with them.
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And I'll say, what do you think? And they'll say, let me tell you
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something, baby's a nightmare and he's hurting himself and
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he's hurting Jews and he's hurting Israel.
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And then they'll immediately cover back up and go.
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But I would never say that aloud on the podcast.
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And I'm never going to say that in a recording.
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And you're never going to hear me say that, you know, in a
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public space. And I hear, I really do hear.
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I grew up in, I grew up in a home.
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My mom is my mom. My grandparents and mom's
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parents are both Holocaust survivors and my mom.
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And for my mom growing up with two Holocaust survivors, there's
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no picnic. Definitely not not saying it
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like not saying she had a bad life at all.
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She loved her. She loves her life and has
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always loved her life, but I'm sure that it's not easy.
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You're growing up with people that have been through the most
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traumatic, some of the most traumatic experiences in human
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history. And it does something for sure.
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And one of the things that it does is create a very, very,
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very strong primal sense of tribal, of tribalism, for better
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and for worse. In a lot of ways, a lot of ways,
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it's really, really good. In a lot of ways, it could be
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really detrimental in times like now, in times like now where
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where Epstein emails are leaked and and millions of people
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around the world are hearing Epstein talk about the quote UN
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quote gallium And had people assume now that because Epstein,
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who is a Jew set and and uses a Jewish or Yiddish word or Hebrew
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word, that that is what every Jew in the world thinks.
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Let me tell you something. We don't think like Jeffrey
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Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein does not have a
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very good grasp of Orthodox Jewish values, traditional
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Jewish values toward Jewish values.
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And, and the way that he chooses to understand whatever the hell
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he was doing and whatever way that he was doing it, the way
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that he was using gallium is not the way that the gallium is
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used. And the problem is that there's
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no one that has no, that there's no one here talking about it and
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there's no one here saying it. And you know what?
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There hasn't been any kind of intelligent form of real I, I
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haven't really heard any great Jewish representation in the
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very, very long time. Ben Shapiro has not done it.
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Rabbi Tumuli is not doing it, believe me.
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Barry Weiss is not doing it, believe me.
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Bibi Netanyahu is certainly not doing it.
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This is going to take generations for the world to
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change. What?
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The way that they look at the state of Israel now because of
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Bibi's behaviour, fact period. I'm very sorry to say that and
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I'm and I hope that I'm wrong, but I don't think that I am.
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And if you have your finger on the pulse of the world at all,
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it is a really, really, really unpopular time to be an advocate
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of the state of Israel, to be an advocate of Israel, Israelis,
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the state of Israel and Jews around the world.
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It doesn't look good right now. And I, and I hate to say, and I
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hate that that's the case, but I also, if no one talks about it,
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then we then, then we're dude. And if the people that are the
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people that are talking about it are talking, are the only ones
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talking about it, we're in trouble.
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Let me tell you something. Jonathan Sacks, Rabbi, chief
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Lord, the British Jonathan Sacks the, the teacher, I, I believe
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at NYU or Columbia, one of the two or maybe both.
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The one that wrote the book, the great partnership about science
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and religion going hand in hand. The one that wrote the book
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called not in God's name, where he says, Hey, stop pretending
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and, and it's so crazy. He was writing the book to
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talking about examples of extremism in all religions,
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Judaism, Christianity and is and Islam and and he's saying not in
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God's name. I remember I was in college.
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I can't believe that this is even a story that I have to say
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right now. I was in college.
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I was in Binghamton and I have a good friend of mine who's so
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smart. I'm not going to say his name in
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case he in case he doesn't want to be talked about.
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Such a good, smart dude. And I buy and I see that
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Jonathan Sacks publish this book.
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I think I was a junior senior in college and I bought the book
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and I'm reading it and I bought it came out the beginning of the
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year, just around the time of the High holidays around Rosh
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Hashanah and Yom Kippur. And I've and it's called Not in
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God's Name. And I get it and I'm reading it
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and my friend walks up to me and he goes, hey, man, he goes, you
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know, that book was not written for you.
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That book was written to be, you know, to be, to be dropped by
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airplanes, you know, parachuted into into Lebanon and Iran and
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Iraq is what he said to me. And I hate to say it, we need to
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drop a couple of these copies into a couple of people's houses
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and in the Israeli government, for God's sake.
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And we need to say that there are.
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Right now, we're in Lebanon, we're in Iran, we're talking
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about Turkey, we're talking about.
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What, what is going on right now?
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We just, we, we just finished two years with, with, with, with
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Gaza, with Gaza and with Lebanon and Hezbollah.
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And I know soldiers and families and, and, and, and people that
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have been separated from their kids for, for weeks or months
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or, and, and kids that are dead Jews.
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I mean, and, and forget, I mean, the amount of civilians that
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have just been killed overall and the amount of trauma that
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everyone has that the entire world has.
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There's no appetite for this. And who are the leaders?
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Who are the people that where? Where are the the people like
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Rabbi Jonathan Sacks? Where are the people like the La
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Bava Cheruba, the people around the world, whether you're, you
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know, all leaders from around the world would go to him for,
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for words of guidance and wisdom and education.
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And they would start initiatives to, to, to, to, for, for, for
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education and to help people that were in need and to pick
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people up in the community and, and widows and divorcees and,
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and freaking everything. And instead we're in place with
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Barry Weiss and and Rabbi Schmully going on freaking Piers
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Morgan and just making a more out of himself and out of all
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Orthodox Jews. It's terrible.
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I even feel bad about yelling about those people, by the way,
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because I think it's very clear that I'm not talking about, I'm
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talking about very specific people.
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I'm talking about very few specific people that the problem
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is that right now, I've heard conversations on Julian Dory's
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podcast, on Tucker Carlson's podcast, on Danny Jones podcast
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on, I mean, the amount of the I on, on freaking breaking points,
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right? The amount of rhetoric that's
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going on about the Jewish religion that is being spread by
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people that have absolutely no business in this world
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representing the Jewish people and the Jewish faith is
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astounding, is absolutely astounding.
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I cannot believe how many people are going around.
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I mean, you, I I was listening to this Tucker Carlson with I
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was listening to Tucker Carlson. Yeah, I know.
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Took roles and hates Jews. No, he doesn't.
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He freaking doesn't like the Israeli government for all the
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wars getting us in that that that they've gotten us into.
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And you know what? He doesn't talk about the Jewish
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religion very much. And if he does, it's going to be
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fundamentally flawed because he's fighting with more on the
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garbage Molly. So he's not getting the right
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picture, right. So he's having this conversation
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with his jiu Jing. Joaquin Joaquin, this Chinese
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professor that's been going around, he's all over so he's
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all over podcasts and social media lately talking about the
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rebuilding the third temple. The that Israel might, you know,
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that someone might Israel or Iran or anyone might
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accidentally destroy the AL Moxcom mosque mosque and that's
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going to sperm a rebuilding of the third temple.
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And I am here to say that the people that are trying to
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rebuild the third Temple are not the people that should be
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rebuilding the third temple. Please go fix your own home
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before you go and try to fix the rest of the world.
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Deal with whatever you got going on in your own life.
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Go pick up a book, pick up a sit down, learn with the rabbi for a
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couple of minutes a day for God's sake.
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Get an understanding of what the Jewish perspective and ideology
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is about before you go ahead and start talking about how you are
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presenting all of us around the world.
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Because you're not. You're not.
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You're not. You're not, you're not.
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Yes, we pray every day for 1/3 temple.
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We pray every day to be redeemed.
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We don't pray that it comes like this.
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We don't pray for war. We don't.
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You don't pray. We don't pray to try and
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sabotage and blackmail and bully and play ridiculous woke social
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media tactics and then leave an entire power vacuum or education
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vacuum or information vacuum for a bunch of morons to come in and
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fill in. Where are the, there's so many
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intelligent Orthodox teachers and Orthodox teacher, Orthodox
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lawyers and doctors and writers and people in Hollywood.
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And like, there are so many wonderful people that are so
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afraid to speak because they have this mentality that if you
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turn that if you say anything against the government of Israel
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that you're betraying the Jewish people.
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You're not. Why does that apply to why?
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Why can I criticize Trump and love the country?
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Why can't I criticize Joe Biden and love the country and love
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the values that America stands for?
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But I can't criticize Bibi Netanyahu and say, hey, if I'm
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an Orthodox Jew, I want Orthodox Jewish values.
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This doesn't look like Orthodox Jewish values to me.
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Why can't I say that? We're in a passive society.
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We're in a super passive society.
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I was, this happened to myself. This happened to myself.
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I, I was driving a couple of years ago back from Orlando.
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I've I've said this, I've said the story in the podcast before,
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but I'm driving back home with my family from my, my wife.
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And at the time, I only had one kid back from Orlando to South
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Florida. And we're pulling over for some
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gas and we see that and I, and I and I'm, I'm getting gas and,
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you know, my wife's in the car, my kids in the car.
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And I hear and I see that pulled over by the by, I guess where
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the press, the coffee shop and convenient shop is there's a
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woman that is fighting or arguing with this guy with her,
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I guess boyfriend or husband or whatever, kids in the car.
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And she's telling like, let me like let me have and let me out,
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let me out. And my heart stops because I'm
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afraid of confrontation. I'm afraid of everything.
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And I and someone's like someone please help.
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She literally said that just like someone please help.
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And this is one of these, you know, if you've ever done the
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drive from Orlando to South Florida, you basically have one
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highway, the one or two highways that you can take.
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And there's only, and there's like rest stops every bunch of
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miles. So they tend to be pretty
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packed, pretty dense because there's only a few of them.
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So if you ever want to stop to go to the bathroom, there's only
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two or three, you know, or get a coffee or whatever, take a
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break. There's only charge of Tesla.
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There's only a couple of spots that you could that you could
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potentially, potentially go to. And so it's pretty packed and no
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one moved. No one even looked at her.
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Like people were like afraid to respond to this woman that was
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with like a child in the back seat and say anything.
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And I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a hero.
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I'm a wimp. I didn't take any jujitsu
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classes yet. And I just said, but I'm a six.
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I'm 6, four, 200 lbs. And I walk over.
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I start walking over, just take a couple of steps over.
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I'm like, hey, are you OK? Can I, you know, can I help you
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with anything? And someone says, yeah, he's not
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letting me go. And the guy goes, OK, you can
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go, you stupid, you know, whatever calls her name.
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And and I'm like, do you need help getting your stuff?
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She's like, yeah, He's like, you know, he's not opening the
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trunk. He's not letting me get my stuff
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out. He's not letting me get my get,
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not let me get my kid out. And then I went over and I said
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here, let me help you. Take your.
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He goes, fine, you could take, you could take your stuff, take
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your shit. Get out of here.
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I don't want you. I don't want to see you anyway,
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you psycho. And so I went over and I went to
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try to help her out and I and I don't remember.
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I was I was dumb as hell. I shouldn't have done it because
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I can get like shot and had my own kid in the car.
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But I, I, I put my hand in his car to help him to help her take
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her bag out. He's like, hey man, don't touch
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my car. So I just walked away.
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I just walked away and she was fine.
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And she's like, OK, I'm going to get a I didn't walk away before
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she she said, OK, I'm fine. I'll just grab a bus from here.
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The bus comes every X amount of time.
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I've done this before. I think, OK, that's great.
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And I walked away. No one did anything.
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We live in a world that's extremely, extremely passive.
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And the problem is I think we're we're missing out on leadership.
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We're missing out on voices. We're missing out on people
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speaking out. And you've got to start doing
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that. And we have to make it very
29:05
clear that we're not speaking out against Jews.
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We're not speaking out against the land of Israel or the people
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in Israel. We're speaking about the way
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that we're being represented. I think it's a fair thing to say
29:18
considering that we're on the verge of World War Three and I
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think that there is no game plan with Iran and the game plan is
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chaos. It's not good for anyone.
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It's not good for anyone. And I want to be sober about
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this. I want to be cool headed about
29:43
this. I want to look to ancient wisdom
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words that we say every day before that I say every day of
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my life, it's truth and I live my life with God's values.
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And if I see people that are claiming to live their lives
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with my values, and one of the best strategies that Israel did,
30:08
that Israel has, and it works in beautiful ways sometimes and
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it's really harmful some ways, is they claim that they
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represent all Jews around the world because of the Jewish
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homeland. But when you do that, I mean,
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you don't consult with us before you go ahead and blatantly bully
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American politicians, before you go ahead and blatantly get into
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more wars than your people even necessarily want.
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I mean, I don't know. Is it true that allegedly the
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Ayatollah had a religious doctrine against developing A
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nuke? I mean, I look up the source I
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posted in the post in the show note captions, and you want to
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say you don't believe them. OK, That's that's that's that's
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fair. I hear you.
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We have intelligence for a reason.
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We have, you know, we have spies and we have to protect ourselves
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and we have to, we have to, you know, know what's going on.
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And information is valuable, absolutely.
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But, you know, you got to give us some reasons to trust you.
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You know, I think trust is something that's earned and not
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something that's given. And Bibi Netanyahu is about to
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be thrown out of office before October 7th, and since then has
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become the face of Jews. And is that why that's so
31:37
disappointing? That's so disappointing.
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He's not, he's not the, he's not my face, man.
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He's not the face of my, he's not the face of my, of my
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homeland. He's not the face of my
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religious homeland. And now we're getting lumped in.
31:51
And I don't want to grow up in an America where I have to hide
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the fact that my name is, is Hirshman.
31:56
When I love America, I love this world, society.
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I, I, I, I love, I love living here.
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And I've contributed to this, to this world my whole life.
32:04
And I teach and I have the podcast and, and I, I paid taxes
32:09
and I own a home in Florida. I've owned two homes in Florida
32:12
and I've lived. I, I, I mean, I've driven across
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the country bunch of times and gone to know the people.
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And I know this, I've been to more than half the States and I,
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I freaking love this place. I want this place to do, I want
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this place to do great. I want everyone to do well.
32:33
Bibi Netanyahu is not going to build a third base on Niktosh is
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not going to build a third temple.
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Millions of people are getting the wrong impressions because of
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the wrong voices that are speaking up.
32:44
And the right voices have to start speaking up.
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It's really, really, really important when we start looking
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inward and we have to start understanding, just start
32:54
remembering that, you know, God, God tells the Jewish people
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like, hey, you got to walk in my ways in order if you want, if
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you want to live in the land and you got to walk in my ways.
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And you got to do things and you got to do things the way that,
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that, that, that I tell you. And if you ever want to get
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back, you know, we're in, we're in exile for a reason.
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We're in exile for a reason. We have something that we need
33:24
to resolve amongst ourselves. We have something that we need
33:30
to resolve amongst ourselves. We have to understand what the
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philosophy of Adam is and we have to counter it.
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And for the record, from a religious level, this is not
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Galot Ishmael. Ishmael is a biblical term for
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the Muslims and Arabs. There is no, there's no exile of
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the, of the Muslims and Arabs, Jews and Arabs and Muslims, Jews
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and Arabs got along for thousands of years.
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The Rambam Maimonides had tremendous, tremendous respect,
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as did great scholars like the Ibanezra.
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It's Farnum. I mean, the, the some of some of
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the Middle Eastern obey him, the, the, the Middle Eastern
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obey him that grew up that, that lived in the Muslim world.
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They didn't look at that, you know, they they they knew the
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exile that we were in wasn't wasn't the exile again.
34:24
I mean, it's AI mean unfortunate.
34:25
And so the people that are saying that we're going to
34:29
rebuild the third Temple by bombing a bunch of Muslim
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countries is completely ignoring the fact that we're not in the
34:38
exile of the Muslims of the Arabs.
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You know, we don't know who our enemies are right now, but we
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know it's not them. And, you know, are there people
34:47
that don't like us? Yeah.
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Does that mean OK. You know, I mean, to what
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extent, to what degree we have a standing army.
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They were a pretty safe country. Israel doesn't, you know, until
35:03
this war, Israel hasn't gotten AI mean, you know, I mean, we're
35:07
getting hit in Jerusalem. We're getting hidden in Rehovot,
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we're getting hit in Bechemish. Like for what?
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And by the way, maybe I'm wrong, maybe and and and maybe maybe
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someone does know better than me.
35:20
And I would love for someone to come on and someone to come on
35:23
the podcast and talk with me about this and maybe explain to
35:26
me that what, what I'm missing. Maybe I got it all wrong, but I
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don't, I don't know. I don't know.
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I don't think I do. This conversation is really hard
35:40
to have. But I think that if I can just
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summarize the basic points #1 the exile that we're in is not
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an exile of the Arabs and the Muslims.
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It's an exile of Adam. Don't take our eye off the bat,
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off the ball, don't focus on the wrong thing #2 the people that
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are running the state of Israel and the current people that are
36:05
the voices of the Jewish people and even of the Orthodox
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community are not the people that should be.
36:15
And the Jewish representation has a responsibility to do a
36:20
better job with that. The fact that Brett Weinstein is
36:25
the only one. I mean, Brett Weinstein was on
36:29
Danny Jones podcast the other day and he's a very sober minded
36:33
person too. He's that's not true.
36:35
He's very he's a little alarmist for me, but he's been right
36:38
about a lot. So as far as I'm concerned, he
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has a lot of he has some credentials.
36:44
And yeah, he's a little he like he does look at a lot of things
36:49
like catastrophe. One thing that he talked about
36:53
in Danny Jones podcast was, you know, that he's his
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understanding that the Orthodox community wants this religious
37:02
battle. It does not.
37:05
It does not. And him thinking that and saying
37:09
that the Orthodox is the danger right now is that the Orthodox
37:12
reputation is getting clipped in the process.
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The Orthodox reputation is peaceful.
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The Orthodox population says we need rabbinical permission to go
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to war. It has to be a war of
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self-defense. What does that constitute?
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I don't know, but I certainly know that the people that are
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making the decisions aren't really asking the scholars.
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Man, I'm going to try to listen back to this.
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I hope this is publishable. Goodnight everyone.