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The Late Debate | 11 November · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Lately. General, welcome the late base.
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Speaker 2: Well good Evin, great to have your company.
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Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond coming
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Speaker 3: up tonight. The Taliban accuse Americans of being sexist in
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Speaker 3: the wake of Kamala Harris's election loss. We'll try to
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Speaker 3: get our heads around that one a little later. Plus
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Speaker 3: when we look at the papers, Indigenous leaders wanting to
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Speaker 3: restore Aboriginal rock art that is invisible to the naked
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Speaker 3: eye but has still been used as justification to close
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Speaker 3: down a whole lot of Victorian climbing routes. Plus an
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Speaker 3: incredible story about stalking on the front page of Tomorrow's
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Speaker 3: Australian that you have to hear it to believe. And
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Speaker 3: as you can imagine, a number of newspapers tomorrow marking
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Speaker 3: today's remembrance memorial.
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Speaker 2: Will get to all of that.
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Speaker 3: In the papers, but first I want to get your
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Speaker 3: thoughts on a council story. I think we're going to
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Speaker 3: disagree on this one, Caleb and Liz. But Brisbane City
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Speaker 3: Council have said they will charge rate payers one dollar
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Speaker 3: and ninety eight cents to receive their rates notice on paper.
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Speaker 2: Now, the Liberal Lord mayor.
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Speaker 3: Says he's simply covering rising printing and postage costs, but
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Speaker 3: the opposition argue it's a low blow for elderly people
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Speaker 3: who either don't have access to the Internet or simply
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Speaker 3: can't work their emails. Opposition leader Jared Cassidy told The
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Speaker 3: Courier Mail it's a cost of living crisis and the
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Speaker 3: LNP Council is squeezing money out of pensioners via hidden
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Speaker 3: fees on their rates bill.
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Speaker 2: It's disgusting, he said.
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Speaker 3: Do they really think it's helpful to stick a QR
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Speaker 3: code on the rates notice or offer a token gift
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Speaker 3: card to try to make people go paperless and avoid
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Speaker 3: their sneaky fees. Many of our local pensioners don't even
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Speaker 3: have the Internet. Not to be outdone, local retiree Veldi Switzkoski,
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Speaker 3: he told The Career Mail paper rates notices have been
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Speaker 3: issued free since Brisbane City Council was founded one hundred
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Speaker 3: years ago, but now will be penalized for the same service.
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Speaker 3: I don't recall any mention of this new tax during
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Speaker 3: the election campaign only seven months ago. While the Council
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Speaker 3: may see it as a trivial amount, many will find
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Speaker 3: it just another expense to add to the cost of
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Speaker 3: living crisis. Now, I think Calebin Liz are going to
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Speaker 3: disagree with me on this one, but I personally don't
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Speaker 3: have a massive problem. Pensioners qualify for a rebate under
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Speaker 3: rules put in place by the Brisbane City Council. There's
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Speaker 3: plenty of other companies that charge you to receive your
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Speaker 3: bill via paper, your power company, your phone company and others.
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Speaker 3: On top of that, postage costs have gone up I
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Speaker 3: think in Queensland about thirty five percent in the past
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Speaker 3: two years, and it's the way of the future. Most
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Speaker 3: people are issuing bills online now. Anyway, before I get
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Speaker 3: to you, Caleber and Liz and you pounce al over
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Speaker 3: me and accuse me ofvy no empathy for the elderly
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Speaker 3: people in Queensland. Some people who are really upset about
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Speaker 3: this have organized an online petition.
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Speaker 2: If you don't see the irony of that.
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Speaker 3: They've organized an online petition for people who don't have
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Speaker 3: access to the internet to protest this Sipplay decision. Okay, Calebern, Liz,
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Speaker 3: go at me.
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Speaker 4: This.
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Speaker 5: Why am I wrong is because it is inarguably agis.
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Speaker 5: Whenever something like this comes up, I think of my grandparents. Okay,
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Speaker 5: there's an entire section of society we cannot even comprehend
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Speaker 5: the leaps and bounds technology has taken in their lifetimes.
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Speaker 5: When they were born, computers didn't exist, much less smartphones.
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Speaker 5: When I was born, smartphones didn't exist. And these guys
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Speaker 5: are trying to just live their lives, pay their bills,
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Speaker 5: and they're copying these what I would call a fine
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Speaker 5: for simply saying, we've always received our bills on a
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Speaker 5: piece of paper. If we can keep doing that, please
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Speaker 5: check out this list of utilities companies that are currently
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Speaker 5: doing this. This adds up over the years, and so
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Speaker 5: it's not just one or two, it's this fee again
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Speaker 5: and again and again that you're being charged. Now, I'll
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Speaker 5: take the argument that these are private companies, but when
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Speaker 5: we're talking about councils, the.
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Speaker 6: Vast majority of us ought to get our bills via
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Speaker 6: email anyway.
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Speaker 5: So the council isn't spending millions of dollars on paper bills.
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Speaker 5: It is inarguably agous because that certain section of our
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Speaker 5: community don't have the first clue about how should I
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Speaker 5: access my bill online?
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Speaker 6: Pay my bill online.
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Speaker 5: I genuinely feel for these guys We've got banks closing,
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Speaker 5: We've got banks that.
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Speaker 6: Are open that don't do cash. You don't carry cash,
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Speaker 6: what is the purpose of you. We've now got parking
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Speaker 6: meters here in Sydney.
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Speaker 5: You can't pay in cash, and you can't even just
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Speaker 5: blip your phone to pay anymore.
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Speaker 6: It just says scan this QR code.
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Speaker 5: Now, I'm not a senior, but the camera on my
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Speaker 5: phone hasn't worked since June last year, so I'm well,
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Speaker 5: I just can't park.
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Speaker 6: Here, then, can I.
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Speaker 5: We are making systems that simply do not service the
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Speaker 5: most vulnerable.
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Speaker 6: In our community.
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Speaker 5: And if it doesn't work for the most vulnerable, it
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Speaker 5: doesn't work at all.
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Speaker 2: This is a new technology five minutes ago.
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Speaker 3: I might buy your argument, but we've had smartphones for
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Speaker 3: more than a decade, an email for longer than that.
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Speaker 7: So if you ever joined on, then stuff you. It's
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Speaker 7: just mean and nasty, like I'm sorry. The council compulsorily
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Speaker 7: takes those rates from you. R you know, never choice
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Speaker 7: in whether you.
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Speaker 2: Get a service, and well.
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Speaker 7: The country yeah, exactly exactly right, So they're going to
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Speaker 7: take that in the country cocted, but they take that
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Speaker 7: money from you against your will, and then they're going
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Speaker 7: to charge you for the privilege of doing so because
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Speaker 7: you want it on a piece of paper instead of online.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
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Speaker 7: If the if the government or the council or whoever
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Speaker 7: wants to come and take my money for the privilege
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Speaker 7: of living in my own home that I bought myself,
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Speaker 7: thank you very much, then they can send it to
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Speaker 7: me on a bloody piece of paper and not charge
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Speaker 7: me for doing so.
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Speaker 1: You can't tell me the Brisbane.
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Speaker 7: City Council, which is the biggest council in the sun.
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Speaker 7: It's huge, right, biggest, it's got more than a million
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Speaker 7: people in it, right, you can't tell me that they
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Speaker 7: can't absorb the one dollar fifty it cost to put
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Speaker 7: that thing in an envelope and put it in an
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Speaker 7: Australia Post post spot.
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Speaker 3: To be fair, according to the Careermaw, they offer pensioners
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Speaker 3: rebates to cover this.
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Speaker 1: Then they've got to go and ask for the rebate.
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Speaker 1: They're going to go and ask for a rebate.
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Speaker 5: I form line or call and spend half an hour
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Speaker 5: on the phone, and that had the money, couldn't give
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Speaker 5: a toss.
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Speaker 6: That's another nightmare.
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Speaker 5: Even when you call these places, you've got five options
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Speaker 5: and then if you press the wrong number, well you're
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Speaker 5: down the wrong rabbit hole.
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Speaker 6: Then you wait for another twenty minutes online.
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Speaker 5: This person said, I've got to transfer you somewhere else.
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Speaker 6: It is a night mayre.
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Speaker 5: It's a nightmare for a young person just trying to
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Speaker 5: navigate if you want to call Telstra or whatever.
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Speaker 6: It's an absolute night there.
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Speaker 5: But for our seniors, which again, if these systems aren't
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Speaker 5: put in place to service those.
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Speaker 6: Who aren't like, oh, I'm a total.
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Speaker 5: Techie, then they're not serviceable at all. Everyone should be
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Speaker 5: able to use these And if you need your bill
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Speaker 5: on a piece of paper for whatever reason, you shouldn't
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Speaker 5: be slapped with a fine. I'm calling it a fine,
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Speaker 5: all right.
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Speaker 3: Let me give you another council story. This one I
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Speaker 3: think the council are totally in the wrong. A South
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Speaker 3: Australian couple in the area of Prospect. They have spent
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Speaker 3: eight and a half thousand dollars repairing plumbing on their
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Speaker 3: house that's been disrupted by roots from a council tree.
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Speaker 3: Now this couple are in their sixties. She's in a wheelchair.
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Speaker 3: They've gone to the council and said, look, it's a
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Speaker 3: tree on council property. The roots have gorown into our plumbing.
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Speaker 3: We've spent eight and a half grand which we don't have.
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Speaker 2: Would you be able to help us out with this?
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Speaker 3: And the council have said no because, and this is
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Speaker 3: their reasoning. Council they say are caretakers of trees, but
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Speaker 3: not responsible for the naturally occurring behavior of trees. Council
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Speaker 3: have said they won't block the roots of this particular
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Speaker 3: tree because that would damage the health of the tree.
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Speaker 3: They certainly won't remove the tree. And so this couple
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Speaker 3: in their sixties not only are having to pay a
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Speaker 3: tax to pay their rates bill on paper, now they're
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Speaker 3: having to pay eight and a half grand to fix
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Speaker 3: their plumbing. They have told the Odelaide Advertiser that's a
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Speaker 3: lot of money for us. We have to pay for
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Speaker 3: medical bills and treatment. Sherry, that's the wife spent six
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Speaker 3: months in hospital with COVID. If I touch that tree,
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Speaker 3: they'll take me to court. I'm not asking to bulldoze it,
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Speaker 3: but just to see if they could remove some of
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Speaker 3: the roots. It's not just impacting us, this could potentially
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Speaker 3: impact everyone in South Australia, in every council area.
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Speaker 2: What I don't understand about this Calebn Liz.
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Speaker 3: If I own a tree on my property and the
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Speaker 3: roots over to your part of the property and damage your.
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Speaker 2: House, I'm liable.
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Speaker 3: But when it's a tree on council property, somehow they're
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Speaker 3: not liable.
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Speaker 2: And I think the reason is counsel right the rules.
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Speaker 7: Well, well, the state government writes the rules. So it's
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Speaker 7: apparently in the Local Government Act they have indemnity against
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Speaker 7: this kind of thing, which is utterly ridiculous. Right, And
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Speaker 7: even if the Local Government Act provides that they are
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Speaker 7: allowed to be indemnified against damage caused by a council tree,
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Speaker 7: you would think if a letter comes across a phone
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Speaker 7: call order email comes across the desk of the council
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Speaker 7: worker and it says, you know, here, we've got an
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Speaker 7: aging couple, one of whom is in a wheelchair, and
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Speaker 7: the trees are not only damaging their plumbing which they
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Speaker 7: paid eight and a half grand for, it's pulling up
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Speaker 7: the footpath, which means poor old Sherry in her wheelchair
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Speaker 7: can't get in and out of the joint without assistance
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Speaker 7: because she can't wheel it over the top of the
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Speaker 7: now heavily damaged footpath. You'd think they just go all right,
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Speaker 7: we'll pay for it and sort it out, even if
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Speaker 7: we don't legally have to do so. The right thing
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Speaker 7: is to pay for it and sort it out once again.
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Speaker 7: You know, once upon a time, public service meant service.
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Speaker 7: I mean it is the operative word in public service.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Service has just gone out the window.
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Speaker 7: Whether it's charging you to send you your own rates
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Speaker 7: notice or refusing to pay for the damage that a
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Speaker 7: council tree has caused your property, they find every way
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Speaker 7: to avoid actually providing service to people. What am I
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Speaker 7: paying rates plus the cost of having the letter delivered
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Speaker 7: to me for If you can't even pay for the
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Speaker 7: damage that your trees cost. Surely at some point you've
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Speaker 7: got to put humans first. And I'll be the first
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Speaker 7: to say that I don't like trees being cut down
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Speaker 7: willy nilly, because they are really important in the environment.
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Speaker 7: They provide shade, they're a lovely thing. I don't want
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Speaker 7: trees being cut down. But surely they could do something
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Speaker 7: to alleviate this problem. But no, oh, you poor old
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Speaker 7: rate payer, We can compulsorily take money from you. Stuff
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Speaker 7: you you just under our thumb all the time.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and here they are saying, oh, well, where the
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Speaker 5: caretakers of the tree? How about caretakers of the people
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Speaker 5: in your jurisdiction. That is the crux of your job,
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Speaker 5: although they've clearly forgotten, and this is what councils do
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Speaker 5: time and time again. It's why we keep having these
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Speaker 5: stories at least three per week in terms of regularity.
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Speaker 6: They don't care.
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Speaker 5: You're right, the service has gone out of the public service.
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Speaker 5: You're here to serve the people we elected you, reminder,
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Speaker 5: and they simply.
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Speaker 6: Do not care.
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Speaker 2: It is pretty miserable.
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Speaker 3: It makes you wonder do miserable people get elected the
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Speaker 3: council or do people become miserable having entered council.
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Speaker 1: It's a little bit of both. Little bit from having
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Speaker 1: served on a council.
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Speaker 7: Were you miserable before you joined a miserable effort your life?
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Speaker 6: Neither.
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Speaker 5: I loved the job, and I got into it because
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Speaker 5: I wanted to help people.
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Speaker 6: I was already working for a state member.
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Speaker 5: And the reason why I ran was because we had
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Speaker 5: so many people in the local community coming into the
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Speaker 5: electorate office to regale us with tales of local government issues,
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Speaker 5: and I was like, not a state issue, and then
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Speaker 5: they would just think you were yanking their chain, you're
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Speaker 5: having one on, You're just trying to brush them off
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Speaker 5: and get them out the door. So for as long
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Speaker 5: as I was then a counselor, we were basically double
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Speaker 5: barreled in that office.
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Speaker 7: And I spent a lot of time in my I
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Speaker 7: was going to say younger days. It's probably a bit
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Speaker 7: of a misnomer. I still like to think of myself
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Speaker 7: as a young man, even though in spirit I maybe
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Speaker 7: about eighty five. But in my early days as a reporter,
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Speaker 7: I spent a lot of time at council meetings because
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Speaker 7: I was a local government reporter. And I tell you what,
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Speaker 7: I saw some strange things in those council meetings, and
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Speaker 7: the later it got into the night, the stranger those
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Speaker 7: meetings got.
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Speaker 1: I can tell you that for free.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 7: One bloke who seems to be in a little bit
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Speaker 7: of trouble at the moment is Jamie Oliver.
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Speaker 1: Of course, the celebrity chef.
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Speaker 7: He's in Australia at the moment, spreaking, spooking his newest cookbook.
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Speaker 7: But it's not the cookbook that's got him in trouble.
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Speaker 7: It is a kid's book. Yes, of course, it seems
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Speaker 7: to be the thing now that when someone goes, oh,
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Speaker 7: you know, what can I do to make some easy money,
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Speaker 7: I'll go and write a kid's book.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly what Jamie Oliver has done.
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Speaker 7: And in the course of writing this book, he's seemingly
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Speaker 7: tried to, you.
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Speaker 1: Know, appeal to the woke, appealed to.
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Speaker 7: The left by saying, oh, well, we'd better have a
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Speaker 7: subplot in this book that involves an indigenous kid in Australia.
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Speaker 1: Let's tick all the boxes. Now, I haven't read the
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Speaker 1: whole thing.
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Speaker 7: I don't know whether he's done the same with Indians
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Speaker 7: in the US or whatever, but he thought, you know,
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Speaker 7: I'll take a few boxes here, we'll check an Indigenous
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Speaker 7: character in this book. Well, guess who's taken issue with
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Speaker 7: the indigenous character being in the book?
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Speaker 1: Indigenous people. I'm not joking.
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Speaker 7: The National Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Education Corporation has
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Speaker 7: taken it up with mister Oliver that he's actually, through
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Speaker 7: the course of writing this book, included stereotypes and tropes
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Speaker 7: that are damaging to Indigenous people. Now I'll tell you
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Speaker 7: what was in the book. This is how The Guardian
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Speaker 7: describes this particular section of his book. It says Billy
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Speaker 7: in the epic Escape that is the book, a humorous
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Speaker 7: fantasy adventure novel, is set in England, but involves a
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Speaker 7: subplot where a wicked woman with supernatural powers teleports herself
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Speaker 7: to Alice Springs to steal a child from a fictitiously
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Speaker 7: named community called Bori Lama. She wants an Australian indigenous
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Speaker 7: child to join her press gang of kidnapped children who
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Speaker 7: work her land because quote First Nation's children seem to
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Speaker 7: be more connected with nature.
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Speaker 1: You can see where this is going.
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Speaker 7: The adults responsible for Ruby, a young girl who lives
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Speaker 7: in foster care and likes to eat desert bush food,
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Speaker 7: are distracted by the woman's promise of funding for their
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Speaker 7: community projects.
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Speaker 1: My god, that sounds slightly familiar, doesn't it, mister Alberizi voice.
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Speaker 7: Once subducted, Ruby tells the English children who rescue and
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Speaker 7: repatriate her that she can read people's minds and communicate
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Speaker 7: with animals and plants, because quote that's the Indigenous way
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Speaker 7: to me. She also tells them she is from m Barntois,
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Speaker 7: which is the Indigenous word for Alice Springs. It uses
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Speaker 7: words from the Gamalari people of New South Wales and
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Speaker 7: Queensland when explaining her life in Australia. In other words,
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Speaker 7: Jamie Oliver has thought, well, we've better check an indigenous
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Speaker 7: character in here, but we'll do no work to make sure.
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Speaker 1: That we actually get it right.
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Speaker 7: He says, I am devastated to hear I have caused
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Speaker 7: defense and wholly apologize for doing so. I am listening
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Speaker 7: and reflecting and working closely with my publisher on next steps.
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Speaker 1: I think it rather proves the point, doesn't it that
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Speaker 1: when you.
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Speaker 7: Try to appease the left, it doesn't usually work.
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Speaker 1: They come and get you anyway. I mean, how good
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Speaker 1: is oh well, we'll have an indigenous character in here?
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Speaker 1: How good am I? He can't even get the languages right.
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Speaker 7: He's got them all over the place, weird stuff about
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Speaker 7: indigenous kids being able to read minds, And where the
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Speaker 7: hell does this stuff come?
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Speaker 3: Can I just say, after listening to you read that portion,
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Speaker 3: I reckon you'd be good for the audio book.
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Speaker 2: You can give them a contract. Oh yeah, and kids
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Speaker 2: could stare a sleep at night.
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Speaker 3: To the dulcet tones of Caleb Bond, it's fiction, for goodness.
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Speaker 2: Sake, It's not real, So who cares if it's not factual,
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Speaker 2: it's fiction. That's the point.
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Speaker 3: One of the reasons why the woke is so on
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Speaker 3: the nose, and part of the reason Trump won is
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Speaker 3: people are sick of how nasty they are. I mean,
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Speaker 3: they're complaining that this book is damaging, disrespectful, and it's
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Speaker 3: contributing to the quote erasure of First Nations people's experiences.
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Speaker 3: It's a fictional, science fiction children's book, for goodness sake.
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Speaker 3: I don't think they're upset that Jamie Oliver wrote it.
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Speaker 3: I think they're upset that they didn't get paid to
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Speaker 3: be consulted on the writing of the book.
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Speaker 2: They say that when.
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Speaker 3: Aboriginal characters included in books, even fictional books, that there
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Speaker 3: must be respect. There must be and here's the consultation
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Speaker 3: with cultural experts, and I dare say they won't do
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Speaker 3: that without a fee, and there must be permission. So
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Speaker 3: now you have to have permission to include an Indigenous
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Speaker 3: character in a work of fiction.
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Speaker 2: Here's what will happen.
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Speaker 3: Fictional writers will decide, you know what, we won't include
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Speaker 3: any Indigenous characters because it's just too much of a risk.
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Speaker 3: And then indigenous activists will complain that they're not being
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Speaker 3: represented in.
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Speaker 5: Fiction exactly, which is why it was so ironic that
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Speaker 5: Natsek use the word erasure. This is indicative of the
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Speaker 5: erasure of Indigenous Australians. You've just guaranteed here because you've
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Speaker 5: just announced on the world stage, Jamie Oliver, there isn't
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Speaker 5: a more famous chef in the world, I don't think,
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Speaker 5: And you've just told everyone if you try this on,
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Speaker 5: will come after you. We'll never be happy with what
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Speaker 5: you do, will never be happy with the representation. And
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Speaker 5: Penguin Random Books, the publisher, has also come out and
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Speaker 5: said we are so sorry.
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Speaker 6: We normally do an authenticity.
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Speaker 5: Reading which would have picked up on this kind of thing.
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Speaker 6: It's completely our bad.
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Speaker 5: We are so sorry. Of course, Jamie Oliver and the
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Speaker 5: publisher have not committed to taking the book off the shelves,
18:02
Speaker 5: which is what Natsek is demanding.
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Speaker 6: But here's the thing.
18:06
Speaker 5: Had Penguin actually done that authenticity reading, it would have
18:11
Speaker 5: depended on which indigenous group you asked for their opinion
18:15
Speaker 5: as to whether they liked it or not, because, as
18:18
Speaker 5: we know, by virtue of having the same ethnicity doesn't
18:22
Speaker 5: mean everyone agrees.
18:23
Speaker 6: We haven't got.
18:25
Speaker 5: Indigenous consensus on a certain mind that is currently on hold.
18:30
Speaker 6: Here in Australia.
18:31
Speaker 5: So the very idea that you have to ask for
18:34
Speaker 5: permission get the blessing of Indigenous Australians as a whole,
18:39
Speaker 5: it's a complete furfy.
18:41
Speaker 6: You can't.
18:42
Speaker 5: For every group that would have said, read the book,
18:45
Speaker 5: love it, bonds away, go for it, you'd find another
18:48
Speaker 5: Indigenous group who was like, actually, this is really insensitive,
18:52
Speaker 5: it's trivializing, it's stereotyping.
18:54
Speaker 6: We don't like it at all.
18:56
Speaker 5: So what have you achieved in the end, except for
18:59
Speaker 5: paying a lot of Indigenous groups for their opinions, and
19:02
Speaker 5: then you've got to decide which one to go with
19:05
Speaker 5: to the States now, where the endless autopsies of the
19:09
Speaker 5: Democrats demise is still underway, with one of the most
19:13
Speaker 5: prevailing questions being how on earth do you raise over
19:17
Speaker 5: a billion dollars and blow even more of that and
19:21
Speaker 5: still lose. Here's DNC spokesperson Lindy Lee asking this very question, saying, heck,
19:29
Speaker 5: I was one of the people who helped raise this
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Speaker 5: record breaking amount of money, and I've got to answer
19:36
Speaker 5: to the people who donated.
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Speaker 6: The truth is the this is just an epic disaster.
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Speaker 8: This is a one billion, one billion dollar disaster. Actually
19:46
Speaker 8: it was one billion, eighteen million. I think right there
19:49
Speaker 8: are twenty million or twenty million or each I was
19:52
Speaker 8: in debt. It's incredible, and I raise millions of that.
19:55
Speaker 8: I have friends that I have to be accountable to
19:57
Speaker 8: and to explain what happened, because I told them it
19:59
Speaker 8: was a margin error race. I was promised. General Ally
20:02
Speaker 8: Dillon promised all of us that cars would win.
20:06
Speaker 5: Money can't buy your love, people, And in a classic
20:10
Speaker 5: backhanded burned by President Trump, he's offering to pay off
20:14
Speaker 5: the two million that they.
20:15
Speaker 6: Have in debt.
20:16
Speaker 5: Check out this post on truth Socially says I am
20:19
Speaker 5: very surprised at the Democrats who fought a hard and
20:23
Speaker 5: valiant fight in the twenty twenty he says, but he
20:25
Speaker 5: means twenty twenty four. He posted this on Saturday night
20:29
Speaker 5: in the presidential election, raising a record amount of money,
20:33
Speaker 5: didn't have lots of money left over. Now they are
20:36
Speaker 5: being squeezed by vendors and others. Whatever we can do
20:39
Speaker 5: to help them during this difficult period, I would strongly
20:43
Speaker 5: recommend we as a party, and for the sake of
20:46
Speaker 5: desperately needed unity, I suggest we do it.
20:49
Speaker 6: We have a lot of money left over in that.
20:51
Speaker 6: Our biggest asset.
20:52
Speaker 5: In the campaign was earned media, and that doesn't cost
20:57
Speaker 5: very much. Make America great again, dear Democrats, you are
21:02
Speaker 5: going to need a lot of ice and a gallon
21:05
Speaker 5: of alvera for that burn. So the Trump administration raised
21:12
Speaker 5: just three hundred and eighty one point five million dollars right,
21:18
Speaker 5: they spent under that, and they spent just over ten
21:22
Speaker 5: million dollars on staff throughout the campaign. Compare the pair
21:27
Speaker 5: with the Harris administration, who raised over one billion dollars,
21:33
Speaker 5: blew one point three seven billion dollars on the campaign,
21:38
Speaker 5: and spent over five hundred and eighty two million dollars
21:42
Speaker 5: just on staff alone. So the Trump campaign raised roughly
21:47
Speaker 5: just over a third of what the Harris campaign raised.
21:51
Speaker 5: They come in under budget because they're earned media all
21:54
Speaker 5: the way, whereas the Harris campaign spent almost five hundred
21:58
Speaker 5: and sixty million dollar dollars just to get her and
22:02
Speaker 5: Tim Waltz onto different shows in different podcasts.
22:06
Speaker 6: Because nobody actually wanted them.
22:08
Speaker 5: Well, this adds insult to injury today because the Federal
22:13
Speaker 5: Election Commission filings came out and it was laid bare
22:17
Speaker 5: before the entire world.
22:18
Speaker 6: What had the Harris.
22:19
Speaker 5: Campaign spent over a billion dollars on? Well, you'd be shocked.
22:24
Speaker 6: To find out the majority of it was on media.
22:28
Speaker 5: There was five million in there for private jets, five
22:32
Speaker 5: hundred and sixty million. Like I said, on media dispersements.
22:36
Speaker 5: Not much use dispersements here. The list wears long as
22:40
Speaker 5: you can imagine, but x users are having an absolute
22:44
Speaker 5: field day highlighting how the Harris campaign completely blew this money.
22:51
Speaker 5: And one little item that has escaped nobody's notice is
22:56
Speaker 5: a million dollars played to Oprah Winfree. So Oprah Winfrey,
23:01
Speaker 5: one of the richest women in the world, who, along
23:05
Speaker 5: with the rest of the Harris campaign, told us she
23:08
Speaker 5: believed she was fighting the rise of the new Nazis
23:12
Speaker 5: led by a modern day Hitler, still didn't believe enough
23:16
Speaker 5: in the cause to waive her seven figure fee. I mean,
23:21
Speaker 5: this is so hilarious and of course raises the question,
23:25
Speaker 5: how much did you splurge on all the other star endorsements.
23:28
Speaker 5: I mean, Kamala Harris, had Beyonce came out, she had
23:32
Speaker 5: bon Jovi performed, Lady Gaga perform, Katie Perry performed.
23:36
Speaker 6: How much did you spend on these people?
23:39
Speaker 5: And is it really an endorsement if you've paid me
23:43
Speaker 5: for it.
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Speaker 3: I don't think this explains why Cardi b was so
23:46
Speaker 3: upset when the teleprompter wasn't working, because she was afraid
23:49
Speaker 3: she wouldn't get it. Honorarium if you didn't get the
23:51
Speaker 3: speech properly, I mean spending you know, twice as much
23:55
Speaker 3: money as you needed to for no result.
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Speaker 2: It's just called bidonomics. They campaigned the way that they govern.
24:02
Speaker 3: They take other people's money spend it for pretty much
24:06
Speaker 3: no return. The fact is they thought because they had money,
24:09
Speaker 3: and because they were cunning, and they spent millions advertising
24:13
Speaker 3: to Americans how racist and sexist they were. They thought,
24:16
Speaker 3: based on those two things, we can win this. But
24:20
Speaker 3: all the money in the world doesn't make a bad
24:22
Speaker 3: candidate likable or a bad policy popular.
24:26
Speaker 7: If I knew that, I could have been paid a
24:28
Speaker 7: million dollars to have some sort of weird online telecast
24:32
Speaker 7: thing for Kamala Harris and then rock up to one
24:35
Speaker 7: of her rallies and say, if you don't vote tomorrow,
24:37
Speaker 7: it'll be the last election ever. If I'd noticed a
24:39
Speaker 7: million dollars for that, I would have done it a
24:41
Speaker 7: long time ago.
24:44
Speaker 6: What do you want, eladies and gentlemen, he can be born.
24:47
Speaker 1: No, no, no, look I'm not in that way.
24:50
Speaker 7: No, But seriously, I cannot believe what they thought they
24:54
Speaker 7: would be able to do with this money and then
24:56
Speaker 7: what they turned it into.
24:57
Speaker 1: I mean that when she went on Call Her Daddy.
24:59
Speaker 7: The podcast, which did nowhere near the numbers of Joe Rogan,
25:03
Speaker 7: like the Rogan Podcast across YouTube and Spotify, has done
25:07
Speaker 7: more than ninety million listens or views. Caller Daddy one
25:11
Speaker 7: did like less than a million, right, So what does
25:13
Speaker 7: that tell you about the interest levels? But they spent
25:16
Speaker 7: more than six figures on building the set, which, if
25:20
Speaker 7: you remember what that said, looked like it was pretty
25:22
Speaker 7: bloody ordinary. The Harris Campaign's more than one hundred thousand
25:25
Speaker 7: dollars building the set for that podcast.
25:28
Speaker 5: Albally because Kamala didn't want to travel to years.
25:31
Speaker 1: She wouldn't, he wouldn't go down with that.
25:34
Speaker 5: Entire entry of funds just leaking out of the kitty
25:38
Speaker 5: was completely uncalled for Get on a jolly plane, woman, I.
25:42
Speaker 2: Want to know you're playing. So they spent what do
25:43
Speaker 2: you say, five million dollars?
25:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, private jets, private jets over what three and a
25:48
Speaker 3: half months.
25:49
Speaker 6: This was August to October, and this is the.
25:51
Speaker 3: Party that begging on about climate cossus and Climateshe of course.
25:54
Speaker 7: And I want to know when you go through this
25:56
Speaker 7: list of like the top five hundred companies that the
25:58
Speaker 7: campaign paid money to, you get down to one called Gusto.
26:02
Speaker 1: They paid thirty four point four million dollars. There. She
26:04
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of Gusto.
26:06
Speaker 7: For thirty four point four million dollars, I don't know
26:08
Speaker 7: where that Gusto went. But it goes to prove once again,
26:11
Speaker 7: you can have and we talked about this last week,
26:13
Speaker 7: you can have all the star power you want.
26:15
Speaker 1: You can have all the money in the world.
26:18
Speaker 7: If you don't actually have a product to sell to
26:21
Speaker 7: the voters, it ain't gone to work. She couldn't be
26:24
Speaker 7: sold because she's just not much to listen to or
26:27
Speaker 7: look at as a performer. As a politician, she's just
26:30
Speaker 7: so uninspiring, and she didn't have any policies.
26:33
Speaker 6: There is Trump.
26:34
Speaker 7: He doesn't need to pay for all that. He can
26:36
Speaker 7: get up at the rallies and explain what he actually thinks.
26:39
Speaker 7: He's an entertainer. He doesn't need celebrities around him. He
26:42
Speaker 7: is the celebrity. He doesn't have to pay for.
26:44
Speaker 1: It because he's actually good at the job. What a
26:47
Speaker 1: What a novel idea.
26:49
Speaker 3: One of the most enlightening invoices was a company called
26:52
Speaker 3: bully Pulpit Interactive at It's a marketing company. They spent
26:56
Speaker 3: one hundred and one million dollars on this marketing company
26:59
Speaker 3: called bully Pulpit, which pretty accurately explains the way the
27:03
Speaker 3: Democrats campaigned. They certainly bullied people, but having lost the election,
27:08
Speaker 3: Democrats supporters have taken it pretty well, I would say,
27:11
Speaker 3: Lizen Caleb gracious.
27:14
Speaker 2: Pretty even keeled about the whole thing.
27:16
Speaker 3: I mean, all right, so they want to poison men
27:19
Speaker 3: who voted for Trump, but apart from that, you know,
27:21
Speaker 3: they've taken it really, really well.
27:23
Speaker 2: I'm not joking.
27:24
Speaker 3: There's an online video that's going viral encouraging women to
27:29
Speaker 3: poison men because they have it coming by allowing Trump
27:33
Speaker 3: to become president, because of course, Trump is going.
27:35
Speaker 2: To destroy women's rights.
27:37
Speaker 3: The movement is called MATGA, not Maga, but Mattga, which
27:41
Speaker 3: stands for make Aqua Tofona great Again. Tafona was a
27:45
Speaker 3: seventeenth century Italian woman who sold poison to wives who
27:49
Speaker 3: wanted to get rid of their husbands.
27:51
Speaker 2: It's believed through that she.
27:53
Speaker 3: Was responsible for the death of about six hundred men,
27:55
Speaker 3: which makes her one of history's most prolific serial killers.
28:00
Speaker 3: Seeing her as their inspiration, female Democrat voters have encouraged
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Speaker 3: one another. You know, maybe it would help you to
28:07
Speaker 3: get over the election result by slipping some of that
28:10
Speaker 3: poison into your man's drink.
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Speaker 9: Here's the video, never Gonna Happen, Sweetie, Your body our choice.
28:27
Speaker 3: Videos like that have had millions of views on x
28:31
Speaker 3: and on TikTok.
28:33
Speaker 2: A couple of thoughts leftism.
28:35
Speaker 3: I actually think it is a mental illness when you
28:37
Speaker 3: don't forget the election result you wanted, so you fantasize
28:42
Speaker 3: about killing men, all the while accusing your opponents of
28:46
Speaker 3: being the fascist I mean, also be serious.
28:50
Speaker 5: I find it very hard to believe that any of
28:53
Speaker 5: these women have men if you're genuinely floating the idea
28:57
Speaker 5: of yes. An answer to this election was salt, which
29:01
Speaker 5: was so comprehensive.
29:02
Speaker 6: It's not like by the breath of the hairs.
29:05
Speaker 5: Well no, no, no, this wasn't AB's you know what,
29:08
Speaker 5: this was an extremely comprehensive red wave. Let's just start
29:12
Speaker 5: poisoning men because they are to blame.
29:15
Speaker 6: I'm guessing you don't have one, do you? In fact,
29:18
Speaker 6: you probably have daddy issues.
29:20
Speaker 3: Not only The problem here is imagine someone does it.
29:25
Speaker 3: Are you not then liable for incitement?
29:27
Speaker 1: No?
29:27
Speaker 5: Only Trump, I thought you would now, Yeah, so these
29:34
Speaker 5: video is encouraging people to literally just poison fifty percent
29:39
Speaker 5: of the population.
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Speaker 1: I e.
29:40
Speaker 6: Men, that's not incitement at all. So only Trump does
29:44
Speaker 6: incite if I did that.
29:46
Speaker 3: And then you find as you go through my computer,
29:48
Speaker 3: I've been watching over and over again a video you produced.
29:51
Speaker 2: Have you not incited me? You've given me the idea,
29:53
Speaker 2: You've told me it's a good thing to do.
29:55
Speaker 5: I'm like, well, I mean, part of me says I'd
29:57
Speaker 5: love to see that play out, but then that would
29:59
Speaker 5: take a.
30:00
Speaker 1: Illegal legally legally.
30:03
Speaker 7: There's also all these women going around online now saying
30:05
Speaker 7: that in light of the result in the US, that
30:09
Speaker 7: they're not going to have sex anymore, and they're not
30:11
Speaker 7: going to get married over the next four years, don't
30:14
Speaker 7: have any children.
30:15
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the best thing I've ever heard to be.
30:17
Speaker 7: If all of these leftists women are saying we're not
30:19
Speaker 7: going to procreate over the next four years.
30:21
Speaker 1: That's the best thing that's ever happened to.
30:23
Speaker 2: The going to poison if they don't get married.
30:25
Speaker 5: And the concertaive men are sharing these videos of these
30:28
Speaker 5: women being like, I'm not sleeping with anyone, I'm not
30:31
Speaker 5: having yours, I'm never getting married.
30:33
Speaker 6: All the conservative men are like, yes, thank you very much.
30:37
Speaker 1: Who are I'm not a loss.
30:38
Speaker 6: To the Jean Paul lady.
30:40
Speaker 5: But of course there's others who figured out a different
30:43
Speaker 5: form of protest, because this is going to be really
30:47
Speaker 5: effective and cost effective as.
30:49
Speaker 4: Well, busiest and most effective form of protest you have
30:54
Speaker 4: right now that you can start immediately, mask back on,
31:02
Speaker 4: stop letting them observe your face, and have the signed
31:05
Speaker 4: benefit of better health.
31:09
Speaker 6: Okay, depending on your face. I'm not sure that's going
31:12
Speaker 6: to be.
31:12
Speaker 1: A lost Yeah. I mean, look if the.
31:15
Speaker 7: Mask peaper didn't have to watch a cleaner teeth all
31:19
Speaker 7: the time, like she didn't, I think that's a brilliant idea.
31:22
Speaker 1: We don't want to look at you, you look at
31:23
Speaker 1: some of the you know, lefties. Put a bag of
31:28
Speaker 1: your head. I don't care.
31:29
Speaker 7: Let's get out of my home state of South Australia
31:32
Speaker 7: now where you know politicians up to old tricks. If
31:36
Speaker 7: they can't find a way to use your money for
31:38
Speaker 7: things that shouldn't be used for, they wouldn't be a politician,
31:41
Speaker 7: would they.
31:42
Speaker 1: Now you might remember the small issue of the former Opposition.
31:47
Speaker 7: Leader David Spears, who of course was caught on a
31:50
Speaker 7: video that he says is a deep fake, snorting of
31:54
Speaker 7: white powder in his kitchen. So then after that he
31:57
Speaker 7: stood down, well, actually he'd resigned his Opposition leader just
32:00
Speaker 7: before that. He since stood down from parliament, which has
32:03
Speaker 7: triggered a by election. Now, four days before he announced
32:07
Speaker 7: his retirement from politics, some polling came in from an
32:10
Speaker 7: outfit called fresh Water. The interesting thing is that the
32:14
Speaker 7: money spent on this polling, and polling is done all
32:17
Speaker 7: the time by political parties to see what people think
32:20
Speaker 7: about things, whether that be how they're going to vote
32:23
Speaker 7: in a certain electorate or what they think about certain issues.
32:26
Speaker 7: This polling had actually come out of the parliamentary allowances
32:30
Speaker 7: of the former Opposition leader David Spears, So the taxpayer,
32:35
Speaker 7: four days before he resigned from his seat, had paid
32:40
Speaker 7: for polling that was done within his seat. How is
32:45
Speaker 7: that okay? The Treasurer of South Australia. Stephen Mulligan says
32:48
Speaker 7: the spending appeared to be an outrageous abuse of taxpayers.
32:52
Speaker 1: Money by the Liberal Party. Why would an MP.
32:54
Speaker 7: Who has just announced his resignation from the parliament need
32:57
Speaker 7: to spend twenty five thousand dollars of tax pays money
33:00
Speaker 7: on polling. If there is a reasonable explanation, Vincent Tazi,
33:04
Speaker 7: that is the new opposition leader, must provide it will.
33:07
Speaker 7: Vincent Tazi hit back. He said, we won't be lectured
33:11
Speaker 7: by a government that has wasted one hundred million dollars
33:13
Speaker 7: on taxpayer funded advertising. This is a treasurer who personally
33:17
Speaker 7: signed off on fifteen hundred dollars for Teddy Bears for
33:21
Speaker 7: one of their MPs, and yes, that did actually happen,
33:24
Speaker 7: So he does kind of have a point there. But
33:27
Speaker 7: how do they think that they can get away with
33:29
Speaker 7: spending public money on polling in an electorate four days
33:35
Speaker 7: before that member then goes and resigns and says I'm
33:38
Speaker 7: not going to be in politics anymore. They may will argue, oh, well,
33:41
Speaker 7: you know, it's all part of making sure I serve
33:43
Speaker 7: my electric properly. But he already had in his head
33:46
Speaker 7: the idea that he wasn't going to serve his electorate
33:48
Speaker 7: into the future, and then a few days before pulling
33:51
Speaker 7: the pin, goes and gets some polling that tells him
33:54
Speaker 7: what people think in his electorate.
33:55
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not so sure that that's what actually happened.
33:58
Speaker 3: I think Steven Mulligan should throw the Liberls of Mulligan
34:01
Speaker 3: on this one, because David Spears, as you pointed out,
34:04
Speaker 3: was facing criminal charges and he's got a court appearance.
34:07
Speaker 3: I think this Friday for supplying a controlled substance, and
34:11
Speaker 3: within the course of eight weeks his life pretty much
34:14
Speaker 3: just imploded. He went from opposition leader to backbencher to
34:19
Speaker 3: then out of Parliament completely, and almost on a daily basis,
34:23
Speaker 3: there were new things coming out on the front page
34:25
Speaker 3: of the paper. I'm not so sure his resignation was
34:28
Speaker 3: carefully planned. This could have been just one of those
34:31
Speaker 3: things that is a coincidence. They did some appolling that
34:34
Speaker 3: was unrelated to the fact that there would be a
34:37
Speaker 3: by election.
34:37
Speaker 2: Then a couple of days later he resigns that. I
34:40
Speaker 2: thought that.
34:41
Speaker 3: There's the potential that all of this is just part
34:43
Speaker 3: of the implosion of his life.
34:45
Speaker 7: Will I will say to that that the resignation was
34:49
Speaker 7: hasty because it had become public knowledge that he had
34:52
Speaker 7: been charged on supplying a controlled substance, as you said,
34:56
Speaker 7: But those charges had been brought down from the long
35:00
Speaker 7: before it was public knowledge. So presumably this polling was
35:04
Speaker 7: done after he was charged. They certainly paid the bill
35:07
Speaker 7: for it after he was charged. It was only when
35:10
Speaker 7: it came to light that he actually pulled the pin
35:12
Speaker 7: and resigned.
35:13
Speaker 1: He must have known that at some.
35:15
Speaker 7: Point that was going to come out and that would
35:17
Speaker 7: be the time where we would have to go.
35:19
Speaker 1: He didn't do it until it was public knowledge, So
35:21
Speaker 1: the polling was done, the knowledge was in.
35:23
Speaker 3: Christ was making the whole thing up literally as he went.
35:26
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that's a possible.
35:27
Speaker 1: It may will be.
35:28
Speaker 7: But does that mean that we the taxpayer should be
35:30
Speaker 7: paying for MPs to do polling in seats when they're
35:33
Speaker 7: in a precarious position.
35:34
Speaker 6: Well, the government does it all the time. I think
35:36
Speaker 6: people are just used to it.
35:37
Speaker 5: I mean, they literally spend our money on doing polling
35:40
Speaker 5: to find out what we think so they can tell
35:42
Speaker 5: us what they found out that we want to hear
35:45
Speaker 5: in order for them to get elected again. Do absolutely
35:49
Speaker 5: none of it and then pay more of our money
35:51
Speaker 5: to get more polling so that they can keep saying
35:54
Speaker 5: what they found out, we want to hear it.
35:59
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly.
36:00
Speaker 5: We found out that when Dan Andrews was facing there
36:04
Speaker 5: and he's little like, what was it catman do? Which
36:07
Speaker 5: Brandon faced north face?
36:09
Speaker 6: How could I forget? The trauma has wiped it from
36:11
Speaker 6: my mind.
36:12
Speaker 5: He's staring down the barrel saying I'm doing what's difficult,
36:16
Speaker 5: but what's right.
36:17
Speaker 6: I'm not here to take the easy path.
36:19
Speaker 5: Found out he was just internal polling. He was just
36:22
Speaker 5: finding out what people wanted to hear. And of course
36:25
Speaker 5: people's perspective was completely screwed by all the fear porn
36:29
Speaker 5: that the government was pushing out on a daily basis.
36:33
Speaker 6: So people were like, lock us down harder, Daddy, more
36:36
Speaker 6: mandates please, And that's exactly what he was giving them.
36:40
Speaker 5: It had nothing to do with the health advice, as
36:42
Speaker 5: we've heard from his own too. I think we should
36:46
Speaker 5: all start participating in polls.
36:49
Speaker 6: It's like, you know what, you want to find out
36:51
Speaker 6: what we think?
36:52
Speaker 5: You don't give a toss anyway, and you never act accordingly.
36:56
Speaker 6: We are just not participating.
36:57
Speaker 5: You take your best guess and maybe start governing with
37:00
Speaker 5: common sense and then we'll see if we like.
37:02
Speaker 6: You when we get to the actual bowling day.
37:05
Speaker 2: I like it. It's a good idea that could fly.
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Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break.
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Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll look at what's making news tomorrow,
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Speaker 3: including on the front page of tomorrow's Australian Talking Case.
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Speaker 2: You've really got to hear to believe it's coming up
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Speaker 2: at this moment. Welcome back.
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Speaker 3: Let's take a look at what's making news in tomorrow's papers.
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Speaker 3: We'll start with the Canberra Times, which understandably was marking
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Speaker 3: Remembrance Day, which of course was today one hundred and
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Speaker 3: six years since the end of World War One. It's amazing,
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Speaker 3: isn't it, Caleb and Liz that back in World War One,
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Speaker 3: what was it, four hundred thousand men and boys from
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Speaker 3: Australia with a population of just five million, volunteered to
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Speaker 3: serve overseas. And so they were remembered today in the
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Speaker 3: Canberra Times marking.
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Speaker 7: That and a new as it is on the front
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Speaker 7: of the paper, a new a Victoria Cross recipient as well.
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Speaker 7: This fellow from the Act served in the Vietnam War.
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Speaker 7: Always to see someone being recognized for their service to
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Speaker 7: this country, because of course, in recent years we seem
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Speaker 7: to have denigrated people who have served this country more
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Speaker 7: than giving them the rewards they deserve.
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Speaker 5: I think, meanwhile, patriots are forever grateful to the front
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Speaker 5: page of the Northern Territory News now parole allegedly busted
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Speaker 5: in bed with officer aiding and bedding.
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Speaker 6: The splast reads an.
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Speaker 5: Alleged fugitive who police claimed cut off his ankle monitoring device,
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Speaker 5: was on the run for days before being allegedly caught
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Speaker 5: in a hotel room with the senior officer from the
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Speaker 5: territories besieged Aboriginal Legal Service?
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Speaker 6: What is the days of our lives? Northern Territory version that.
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Speaker 3: Well, that legal service, it is days of our lives.
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Speaker 3: They've had massive controversy, They've had accusations of corruption. They
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Speaker 3: appointed a chairperson who had been charged or arrested with
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Speaker 3: domestic violence offenses. They've had a mass exodus of staff,
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Speaker 3: whereby Indigenous people were left to represent themselves in court.
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Speaker 3: And this is an organization that gets twenty million dollars
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Speaker 3: worth of federal funding every year. So take all of
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Speaker 3: that and then throw in a story like this it's
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Speaker 3: the last thing that organization needs for its credibility.
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Speaker 1: It's just extraordinary.
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Speaker 7: I mean, this blow could served time for manslaughter, that's
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Speaker 7: what he'd been out.
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Speaker 1: On parole for.
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Speaker 7: And then his parole was revoked and this woman from
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Speaker 7: the Aboriginal Legal series now faces fourteen years jail potentially
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Speaker 7: for interfering with a police investigation.
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Speaker 1: You know, the northerns.
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Speaker 7: The INNT news just it never misses in terms of
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Speaker 7: these sort of story, doesn't. I don't know whether they
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Speaker 7: still do it, but it used to be. The way
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Speaker 7: it worked in the INNT news newsroom was that they
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Speaker 7: would put on the front page whatever story had been
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Speaker 7: talked about the most in the newsroom that day. It
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Speaker 7: wasn't necessarily the biggest story or the most important story,
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Speaker 7: but it was the story that people would be most
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Speaker 7: interested in. And you know, inevitably it'll be stuff like
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Speaker 7: why I had to pack her up my clacker and
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Speaker 7: there's sort of stuff for a.
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Speaker 1: Crocodile or whatever.
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Speaker 7: But they figured, if we're interested in it and we're
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Speaker 7: talking about it all day, then other people surely are
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Speaker 7: talk about knowing your market. Let's go to the front
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Speaker 7: of the Australian tomorrow. Where there is an equally interesting
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Speaker 7: story involving the courts have listened to this. One police staffer,
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Speaker 7: online stalker sent innocent man to jail. Court Here is
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Speaker 7: a Victoria police advisor has faced court accused of impersonating
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Speaker 7: a police officer, perjury, perverting the course of justice, and
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Speaker 7: Facebook hacking in an alleged stalking spree that led to
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Speaker 7: a man she was obsessed with, being arrested and wrongly
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Speaker 7: jailed for eighteen days. A tearful Caitlyn Chivoni appeared in
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Speaker 7: Melbourne's Magistrate Court clutching a stuffed toy during a committal
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Speaker 7: hearing last week on fourteen offenses that included theft, making
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Speaker 7: a false report to police, and dishonestly receiving stolen goods.
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Speaker 1: Now, this involves.
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Speaker 7: Between thirteen thousand and fifteen thousand social media messages. She's
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Speaker 7: alleged to have logged into this bloke's Facebook account and
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Speaker 7: then sent messages from it so supposedly from him to her,
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Speaker 7: that she has then used against him. I mean, it's
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Speaker 7: God at all. This is I love this sort of stuff.
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Speaker 7: And this is going back to the last story as well.
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Speaker 7: When I was a court reporter. You know, I used
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Speaker 7: to sit in the courtroom and you'd occasionally get a
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Speaker 7: story like this, and you'd sit and go, oh my god,
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Speaker 7: my days.
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Speaker 1: When I go back and tell my.
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Speaker 7: Chief of staff this story, they are going to love
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Speaker 7: it because it goes gang busters. People love this stuff
41:42
Speaker 7: because they can't believe that it could actually be real.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this has got all the makings of a
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Speaker 3: great Netflix series.
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Speaker 2: Who wouldn't you one?
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Speaker 1: Maybe rain now?
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Speaker 5: She literally wrote her to be clear, she wrote herself
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Speaker 5: messages from his account so that she could then report
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Speaker 5: those two.
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Speaker 6: Police allegedly allegedly allegedly.
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Speaker 5: I mean, this is this is straight out of something
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Speaker 5: like Mary Reindeer. Right, Well, you've just got some person
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Speaker 5: who has decided you are in their sites.
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Speaker 6: They are going to set you up no matter what.
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Speaker 5: And how hard would it have been for this guy
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Speaker 5: to disprove this when these charges were first.
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Speaker 6: Laid at his door, being like, I don't even know what.
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Speaker 5: You're talking about. This woman was having conversations effectively with herself,
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Speaker 5: allegedly from them his or own account, all of that aside.
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Speaker 1: I would ask miss what's her name? She Evonne?
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Speaker 7: I would ask her, why did you rock up to
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Speaker 7: court clutching a stuff toy. I mean, something tells me
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Speaker 7: that that's not going to be terribly impressive in front
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Speaker 7: of either jury or a judge.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm rocking up.
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Speaker 7: With my emotional support animal a stuffed toy.
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Speaker 1: Strange behavior. I would have thought.
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Speaker 7: Let's go to another story on the front of the
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Speaker 7: Odds tomorrow. Indigenous leader flags rock art restoration. We told
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Speaker 7: you a little bit about this story last week. Indigenous
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Speaker 7: people at Australia's contentious climbing capital, Mount Arapolies, have flagged
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Speaker 7: the need to restore ancient faded rock art because the
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Speaker 7: drawings are so degraded they are mostly invisible to the
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Speaker 7: naked eye.
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Speaker 1: Now, of course, we told you last week.
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Speaker 7: That around fifty percent of the climbing areas and Mount Arapolis,
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Speaker 7: which is one of the biggest mountain climbing places in
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Speaker 7: the world by the way, will be locked up so
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Speaker 7: people can't climb them anymore.
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Speaker 1: And part of that.
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Speaker 7: Was, of course indigenous heritage and these rock carvings, et cetera,
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Speaker 7: which are apparently invisible to the naked eye. So now
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Speaker 7: we're told that something that is basically impossible to see
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Speaker 7: is somehow going to be restored. Well, on the basis
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Speaker 7: of what if you can't see it, how do you
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Speaker 7: restore it to.
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Speaker 1: What it used to be? Because you can't see what
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Speaker 1: it used to be.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, drawing is invisible. Is it still a drawing or
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Speaker 3: is it just I don't know.
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Speaker 2: But there you go.
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Speaker 3: They're going to restore it and turn the area into
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Speaker 3: a cultural area where people can go and I presume
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Speaker 3: observe indigenous culture, which they'll have to restore it otherwise.
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Speaker 2: You won't be able to observe it.
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Speaker 1: It's so strong.
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Speaker 5: I'd love to know how much tankspayer dollars they're going
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Speaker 5: to spend on restoring invisible artwork.
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Speaker 6: Well, that's what we're spending our money.
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Speaker 3: I'd love to know how many taxpayer dollars they are
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Speaker 3: going to lose because people from coming all over the
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Speaker 3: world to climb this particular area see Victoria no longer
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Speaker 3: coming because it's.
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Speaker 2: All been closed.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to the front page of the Adelaide Advertiser,
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Speaker 3: which is an echo of the Herald's Sun and the
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Speaker 3: Daily Telegraph tomorrow. They're all going with the same front page.
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Speaker 3: Fight for the Ages, reads the headline. You'll notice if
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Speaker 3: you have a close look at the front page of
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Speaker 3: that paper. Half of it is not actually able to
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Speaker 3: be read unless you speak an Indian dialect.
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Speaker 2: And that's the point.
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Speaker 3: The Test series between Australia and the Indian is about
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Speaker 3: to get underway.
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Speaker 2: The article says.
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Speaker 3: To celebrate this multicultural festival of fun, today's eight page
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Speaker 3: rap has been published in English, Hindi and Punjabi. If
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Speaker 3: you're lucky, you'll be hearing all three languages at grounds
45:13
Speaker 3: this summer, with two hundred thousand Australians speaking Hindi and
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Speaker 3: Punjabbi now our fastest growing language with more than two
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Speaker 3: hundred and thirty thousand speakers, up eighty percent in the
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Speaker 3: last decades. So all of those major newspapers being published
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Speaker 3: in three languages tomorrow, so you can get the.
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Speaker 2: Latest on the cricket.
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Speaker 3: After the joke that was the one day game against
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Speaker 3: Pakistan Terriers, half the players most of us had never
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Speaker 3: heard of because they're not first choice. Hardly anyone went
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Speaker 3: along to watch.
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Speaker 2: I hope the Test series is better.
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Speaker 7: Well, indeed, there'll be a South Australian in the opening
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Speaker 7: lineup as well. Now, but I'm going to tell you
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Speaker 7: when we play cricket against India. It is the best
45:53
Speaker 7: cricket you could ever possibly attend. I remember fondly an
45:57
Speaker 7: Australia Day match because we used to have an Australia
45:59
Speaker 7: Day Test in Adelaide. But then that all sort of
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Speaker 7: moved on and for a while they were having either
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Speaker 7: a one day or a Tea twenty match in Adelaide
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Speaker 7: on Australia Day.
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Speaker 1: An Australia Day.
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Speaker 7: The twenty sixth of January is also Independence Day in
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Speaker 7: India and I went to this T twenty.
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Speaker 1: Match as a kid Adelaide Oval. It would have been
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Speaker 1: fifty to fifty.
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Speaker 7: The place was full Australian supporters, Indian supporters. It was
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Speaker 7: the most electric atmosphere of any cricket match I've ever
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Speaker 7: been to.
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Speaker 1: The Indians love their cricket and for that, we love them.
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Speaker 3: So I can't wait to go to the Sydney Test
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Speaker 3: and spend three days sitting in the rain. We're going
46:31
Speaker 3: to go to a grape when we come back. The
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Speaker 3: Taliban accused Americans have been sexist.
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Speaker 2: That's coming up in a moment.
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Speaker 3: Well, we need to say a big thank you to
46:41
Speaker 3: the New York Post. They've done Australian as a massive
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Speaker 3: favor with so many people who ate Trump, promising they're
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Speaker 3: going to leave America now that he's the president.
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Speaker 2: They won't be coming to Australia.
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Speaker 3: After this story was published in The New York Post,
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Speaker 3: pythons invaded Shockman's toilet twice in one week. Not the
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Speaker 3: snake you want to crawl all over you, he said.
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Speaker 3: It's a guy in Harvey Bay who went to the
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Speaker 3: toilet to find a massive python in the bowl. He
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Speaker 3: had a snake catcher come and remove it, and then
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Speaker 3: only a couple of days later, I had to call
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Speaker 3: the snake catcher all over again.
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Speaker 6: It'll just be oh no, that's easy. That's heaps easier
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Speaker 6: than the other one. I'll do it off the hook.
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Speaker 6: I could let you do your first dunny snake. You
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Speaker 6: want to do an almost I can almost see you.
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Speaker 5: He hasn't like you want to dive in and do
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Speaker 5: the toilet snake, but I appreciate the keenness. You can
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Speaker 5: if you want otherwise, I don't mind.
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Speaker 1: I mean snaky, I already touched it.
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Speaker 2: I should have bloody put.
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Speaker 1: Me bag on first.
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Speaker 6: You're a lot easier than your friend to get out's definitely.
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Speaker 2: I had to laugh. Calabus.
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Speaker 3: I'm reading the comments in the New York Post article
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Speaker 3: and most people saying I knew this was Australia even before.
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Speaker 2: I read it.
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Speaker 6: What because of the distinctive accent. Nobody else thoughts like us.
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Speaker 6: It's true and you guys love it.
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Speaker 5: Any Australian who's been to the States know how much
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Speaker 5: they love our accent. Before we leave you tonight, the
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Speaker 5: Taliban has discovered, to its great glee that maybe America
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Speaker 5: has more in common with them than.
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Speaker 1: They first thought.
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Speaker 5: To check out this quote from Taliban official in Alamala Semangani,
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Speaker 5: he said, they said that finally a woman will become
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Speaker 5: the president in America, something that has never happened, and
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Speaker 5: maybe after.
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Speaker 6: This no one will believe that she will.
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Speaker 5: Americans are not ready to hand over the leadership of
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Speaker 5: their great country to a woman. If the votes of
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Speaker 5: other skins and refugees are left aside, maybe fewer Americans
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Speaker 5: would have voted for missus Harris.
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Speaker 6: I'll just find this absolutely hilarious.
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Speaker 5: It had nothing to do with the fact she's a woman,
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Speaker 5: mister Taliban, and had everything to do with the fact
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Speaker 5: she's a moron.
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Speaker 6: That's it.
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Speaker 1: What are they doing calling you missus Harris.
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Speaker 7: I mean, I know she's married, but they don't share
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Speaker 7: a name, those two, so I'm not he's entitled to
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Speaker 7: be called missus Harritt.
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Speaker 1: But you know why they don't have elections in Afghanistan?
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Speaker 7: Right because there's a tally band anymore.
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Speaker 2: That's program but stick around. Coming up is the Reader
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