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Monday Mini: An Update on the Women's World Cup · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Steph.
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  Speaker 1: I never told your production of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: And welcome to another edition of the Monday Mini. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how many this is because I think
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  Speaker 2: we got a lot to say. We've already mentioned what
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  Speaker 2: happened with the World Cup as Spain won and should
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  Speaker 2: be celebrating. I think this is one of those tell
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  Speaker 2: tale things of like, we can't have nice things, but
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  Speaker 2: there is a rainbow at the end of this awful,
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  Speaker 2: awful situation. So it's kind of like that. Okay, but
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  Speaker 2: at least they're turning into something better. But yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: wanted to do a quick update about what's happening with
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  Speaker 2: the Spanish women's football club, the international World Cup champions,
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  Speaker 2: who should only be celebrating.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, but again, we can't have nice things.
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  Speaker 2: And as as most of you already know if you
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  Speaker 2: have been a part of any soccer news at all,
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  Speaker 2: because even myself who has not followed along, and it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't until you brought it up when we were talking
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  Speaker 2: to Whitney about the incident that I even knew what
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  Speaker 2: was going on, because I had been that out of
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  Speaker 2: the loop that president of the Federation. Rabialis forcefully grabbed
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  Speaker 2: a dinner for her mosa by the head to kiss
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  Speaker 2: her as a I guess congratulatory we one type of thing.
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  Speaker 2: There was a previous incident where he grabs his crotch
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  Speaker 2: in front of the queen uh and makes a gesture
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  Speaker 2: at the coach, who has his own set of problems
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  Speaker 2: in order to celebrate the victory. Because that nothing like
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  Speaker 2: grabbing your crotch and thrusting it at towards a coach
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  Speaker 2: for women's soccer. Yeah, that truly celebrates a victory for
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  Speaker 2: women's soccer.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: There's so many things that it's I'm like, bro, what what?
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  Speaker 2: But at this time I cannot so on TikTok. I'm
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  Speaker 2: on that side of TikTok as well. Many are saying
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  Speaker 2: that he is resigning. I have yet to find any
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  Speaker 2: articles to actually say that he's resigning. I know he's
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  Speaker 2: been called on by the Federation after a lot of
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  Speaker 2: gas lighting and victim blaming to actually have him step
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  Speaker 2: down and resign, which many are like, just fire him,
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  Speaker 2: for the love of all that is good, just fire him.
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  Speaker 2: He shouldn't be given the honor of resigning to begin with.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know if he's that's actually true, because I
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  Speaker 2: have not found any articles to validate that.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, Okay, so we should put the date on this one.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes, they.
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  Speaker 1: Out. Yeah, we have a book. You can get it.
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  Speaker 1: It has a lot of stuff about similar issues in sports.
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  Speaker 1: So this is a quick changing, developing situation. Because when
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  Speaker 1: Whitney came on, I was talking about it. We were
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  Speaker 1: talking about it and it was like, you know, condemnation,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, not that big. But now it's huge,
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  Speaker 1: so much condemnation. And I saw a piece about it today.
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  Speaker 1: I believe he has been He's definitely been astro design
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  Speaker 1: I think he has to.
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  Speaker 2: He's been suspended, suspended for ninety days. But it's feedful
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  Speaker 2: so it's different than the actual federations. That's till Aston
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  Speaker 2: to resign. He was suspended Saturday and there's a pending investigation,
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  Speaker 2: so we'll see what they do. Right now, there's talks
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  Speaker 2: of all the Spanish teams being suspended until he resigns
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  Speaker 2: and not being able to play. There's a back and
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  Speaker 2: forth like Real Madrid and all of those teams about
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  Speaker 2: them not being able to compete. We know that all
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  Speaker 2: of the eighty one players with eighty one players. Women
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  Speaker 2: players were all saying they're not going to play until
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  Speaker 2: he steps down in solidarity. We've seen several male players
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  Speaker 2: also say that they would not play if he did
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  Speaker 2: not step down, uh male Spanish players. We've also seen
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  Speaker 2: all the coaches except for the head coach who has
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  Speaker 2: been a part of the problem, all resign because of
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  Speaker 2: the situation and maybe even more so other situations. So
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  Speaker 2: I know that's all going down at this point in time,
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  Speaker 2: which I think is very telling. Rubiellis's mom is on
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  Speaker 2: a hunger strike in the church until he is justly
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  Speaker 2: proven or something whatever. I know, like he's just that
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  Speaker 2: this is unjust a procedure would stop against her son,
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  Speaker 2: which I wanted to be like, this makes sense about
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  Speaker 2: why he's being so headstrong that this this makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I believe it's probably been dropped by now.
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  Speaker 1: I think this was a week ago, and this is
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  Speaker 1: right after Whitney came on and then we were like
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  Speaker 1: texting back and forth about all of this stuff. I
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  Speaker 1: believe this Spanish soccer federation threatened to sue her Mosas, yes,
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  Speaker 1: because they were like she lied even though there's photograph.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, so essentially what went down is they try
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  Speaker 2: to come in and say, oh, that was consensual. The group,
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  Speaker 2: the players have already agreed upon this, this was not
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  Speaker 2: a bad thing, blah blah blah, which she came around
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  Speaker 2: going no, no, no, no, no, no, this was not consensual.
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  Speaker 2: Why would I ever consider this. I did not want this.
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  Speaker 2: I did not have a choice. Literally, I just had
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  Speaker 2: to deal with it because we were in public and he
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  Speaker 2: grabbed me. There's nothing I can do, which is a
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  Speaker 2: common conversation that women have amongst themselves about bad situations
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  Speaker 2: with a dating. We know this non dating, just being
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  Speaker 2: around men.
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  Speaker 1: Well yeah, and that I kept mentioning in that episode
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  Speaker 1: we did Whitney. I read this article about the history
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  Speaker 1: of forcibly kissing women in public yep, and one of
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  Speaker 1: the main examples they one of the most famous examples
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  Speaker 1: is that World War two dipping up by soldier and
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  Speaker 1: kissing her and it turns out she was like, oh God,
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  Speaker 1: I just panicked. I was so scared. Like it. It's
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  Speaker 1: framed as such a romantic ram and.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, they didn't know each other, was just walking
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  Speaker 2: down the street.
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  Speaker 1: No, And actually there's kind of a horrifying history of
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  Speaker 1: men returning from war and sexually assaulting women.
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  Speaker 2: Or being at war as sexually assaulting women. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: then that the whole like do you remember the I
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  Speaker 2: believe it was it the Golden Globe? Uh m hm,
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  Speaker 2: that's it. That that big kiss. Yeah, that was a
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  Speaker 2: whole conversation. And yeah, this this is a constant thing.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm going to read a couple of quotes from
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  Speaker 2: a New York Times article about people's reactions essentially, But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so we were back to the whole, like they came
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  Speaker 2: back after she said no, this was not consensual. The
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  Speaker 2: federations like she lies, she lied, and we're going to
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  Speaker 2: sue her because she's lying. And essentially she's like, we'll
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  Speaker 2: bring it on, let's go, because why would I lie.
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  Speaker 2: And then since then we've seen, like I saw on TikTok,
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  Speaker 2: there's some clips of showing the coach being over the
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  Speaker 2: top with their players, like grabbing their face, grabbing their ears,
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  Speaker 2: grabbing like like all these things and being obviously sexist
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  Speaker 2: to the point last year several of the players already
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  Speaker 2: stepped down and they were suspended for refusing to play
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  Speaker 2: with this coach. So that's the whole thing. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: with this again, they're talking about that there's a larger
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  Speaker 2: problem that they've been talking about from the beginning. And
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  Speaker 2: here's a quote, but Spanish society has erupted, seizing on
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  Speaker 2: the incident as a major moment of reckoning for his
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  Speaker 2: clubby and often sexist soccer culture. More than a dozen
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  Speaker 2: female players rebelled last year long frustrated with unequal pay
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  Speaker 2: what they considered overly harsh and controlling treatment by their
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  Speaker 2: current coach or Heyda, including allegations that he rifled through
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  Speaker 2: their personal belongings and a general culture of sexism. Many
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  Speaker 2: were kicked off the team and missed the World Cup,
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  Speaker 2: but one of these players, the La Guiardo, told the
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  Speaker 2: newspaper El pas on Monday that it was worth the
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  Speaker 2: pain of missing the glory. Ideas are ahead of metals,
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  Speaker 2: she said. The entire team and dozens of other players
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  Speaker 2: assigned a joint statement late Friday night saying that they
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  Speaker 2: would not take the field to play for Spain if
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  Speaker 2: the current managers continue. So obviously they've been having issues,
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  Speaker 2: and in this situation, the world got to see publicly
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  Speaker 2: what these issues were, and the world got to see
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  Speaker 2: how the federation react, and no one could deny the
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  Speaker 2: sexist lady like literally going back and forth saying I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to sue the players because she's lying even though
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  Speaker 2: we see it, at what point would they have been consensual?
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  Speaker 1: Right? Right? And like we talked about, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think this is the end all, Beyall people react
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  Speaker 1: differently in situations like this. But in that particular picture,
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  Speaker 1: she does not look comfortable. It's not a picture that
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  Speaker 1: looks consensual. I want to emphasize again that does not
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  Speaker 1: mean like we should apply that standard to everything, but
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  Speaker 1: it really and we have this picture and they hear,
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  Speaker 1: they are saying like, no, she's a liar, will sue her?
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  Speaker 1: Who is their star player, the best players right right now,
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  Speaker 1: and they're more worried about protecting the men in charge
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  Speaker 1: than the women on their team one in spite of this, yes.
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  Speaker 2: In spite of losing teammates, in spite of seeing this
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  Speaker 2: constant harassment and vilification. Obviously that happens often, and I
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  Speaker 2: do find it interesting that it took until FIFA was
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  Speaker 2: like a we're gonna we're gonna cut it, which a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people from the jump set is gonna take FIFA,
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna take the world. We're gonna s saying that
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  Speaker 2: you're not going to be able to play internationally. You're
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  Speaker 2: going to lose a lot of money. So you better
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  Speaker 2: figure this out because the players can go wherever. I
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  Speaker 2: know contracts are different and it could be difficult, but
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  Speaker 2: the players don't play in their country, so you know,
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  Speaker 2: many would love a world champion on their team. So hello.
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  Speaker 2: This has also come to the point that there may
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  Speaker 2: be actual criminal investigation within Spain apparently, so the current official,
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  Speaker 2: the current administration. They are a socialist more liberal party
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  Speaker 2: that they have come up on. So a lot of
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  Speaker 2: them have already spoken out. They spoke out from jump.
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  Speaker 2: I will say that about what has been happening and
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  Speaker 2: what this looks like. I don't know if the royal
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  Speaker 2: family has I haven't seen that. I'm sure there are
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  Speaker 2: some statements that the Queen was standing right there, but
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  Speaker 2: who knows. He did make it a full apology on that.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, it came with a lot of excuses. It
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  Speaker 2: came with all the excuses that you could imagine. But
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  Speaker 2: he did make an apology about that. One thing that
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  Speaker 2: he did say he kept using and I'm like, oh god,
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  Speaker 2: this is about to come a false feminism. So it
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  Speaker 2: seems like that he's a supporter of feminism, but then
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  Speaker 2: he puts that false narrative, so therefore it's a false feminism.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, this is a dog whistle. This is
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  Speaker 2: a dog whistle that begins the end of like begins
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  Speaker 2: the attack on feminism in general. And I find that interesting.
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  Speaker 2: He kept saying it in his little speech that he
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  Speaker 2: got applauded for. Everybody's like, oh, we're supporting him, and
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  Speaker 2: now they want him to resign after that, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, no, But I find that interesting and very
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  Speaker 2: dangerous this type of conversation, especially for a country that
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  Speaker 2: has made waves in trying to become more left leaning,
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  Speaker 2: more more liberal, I guess in itself and in his conversation
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  Speaker 2: and trying to protect people, they have done a lot
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  Speaker 2: of looking into what it looks like sex violence in
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  Speaker 2: their country and naming things as it is. I think
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  Speaker 2: the second in command actually said this was sexual violence.
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  Speaker 2: This act that we see is sexual violence and naming
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  Speaker 2: it as it is, which again urbialis try to come
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  Speaker 2: back and this said that that was false feminism, which
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  Speaker 2: and then try to add what happens when women are
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  Speaker 2: really raped? They're not going to believe them. I'm like, oh, wow,
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  Speaker 2: you are pulling all the stops the old tradition. Oh no,
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  Speaker 2: all of them. And he was pulling it out like
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  Speaker 2: this is the nineteen like two thousand and five, actually
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, and it's like a brock Turner moment.
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  Speaker 2: But it really is disgusting in that narrative, and unfortunately
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  Speaker 2: he has people to back him. So here's another quote
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  Speaker 2: that talks about it. If they want to get rid
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  Speaker 2: of him for what he did before, then they should.
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  Speaker 2: And she's talking about the grabbing of the crotch and
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  Speaker 2: then any incidences. But the kiss is nonsense, says Beatrice Pina,
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  Speaker 2: a fifty five year old soccer fan who was shopping
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  Speaker 2: for her grandson at her local soccer teams store. It's
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  Speaker 2: not sexual harassment or anything. And then they talked to
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  Speaker 2: another person who was a supporter of the team. Had
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  Speaker 2: the teacher was very excited and he said, and he
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  Speaker 2: said this is a quote. Like many Spaniards, mister Duarte
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  Speaker 2: was bothered that mister Rubialis grabbed his crotch in the
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  Speaker 2: vicinity of the Spanish Queen and Princess during the celebration.
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  Speaker 2: But he said he didn't see anything so terrible about
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  Speaker 2: the kiss. It's like a kiss I could have given
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  Speaker 2: to a friend, he said, adding that it was just
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  Speaker 2: a gesture of affection.
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  Speaker 1: Well, uh, there's a lot to impact because, as we
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  Speaker 1: did talk about an episode of the Whitney, kissing on
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  Speaker 1: the cheek is traditional in Spain. You know, there's a
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  Speaker 1: different culture than here. So I don't want to come
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  Speaker 1: inte on that. But that was not this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Also, she has said she didn't want it. She has
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  Speaker 1: said it multiple times. I hate that she's had to
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  Speaker 1: really reiterate this statement, but she has. And also he
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  Speaker 1: only did it to her, right, and there was like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people, and so I'm kind of like,
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  Speaker 1: if that's a friend, right the case you could give
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  Speaker 1: a friend, is she your only friend?
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  Speaker 2: Like, I'm sorry, I know the kissing on the cheek
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  Speaker 2: is a thing I've met many people, like the European
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't it doesn't necessarily like I'm going to touch
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  Speaker 2: a failing person who I don't love it in itself.
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  Speaker 2: I don't love hugs all the time unless I know
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  Speaker 2: you will. But like that was a full on, forceful
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  Speaker 2: head Like if anybody grabs my head, there's a good
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  Speaker 2: chance I'm punching mm hmmm, or I'm falling down like
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  Speaker 2: I've done both of those things where i'd like get
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  Speaker 2: into the fetal position sitting down because I'm trying to
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  Speaker 2: for you not to touch me, because that's to me
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  Speaker 2: a threat in control. You're controlling me somehow, especially when
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  Speaker 2: we know he's never done that to a man.
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  Speaker 1: Mmmmm mm hmmm. Going back to this article I keep referencing,
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  Speaker 1: that was what they were saying. It was like this
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  Speaker 1: idea that women's bodies are just up for it's fine
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  Speaker 1: to use them how you want, touch them, how you want,
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  Speaker 1: make it about you, because that's what he really did.
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  Speaker 1: Like I just can't stress enough. I wish we could
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  Speaker 1: just talk about their win, right, and instead we have
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  Speaker 1: to talk about this. But also he made it about
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  Speaker 1: him right even before this and the male coach he was,
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  Speaker 1: he was saying they won because of them, these two men,
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  Speaker 1: and not this team.
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  Speaker 2: Right, which is hysterical, Like do you understand you don't
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  Speaker 2: have a team.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have a win, like I don't this this.
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  Speaker 2: Is not calculating in your head. But yeah, there needs
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  Speaker 2: to be massive change, and I hate that for our
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  Speaker 2: team that won their first World Cup. Ever, this is
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  Speaker 2: the discussion, and that they are being vilified in their
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  Speaker 2: own country by some by some of the more powerful
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  Speaker 2: because they can't have autonomy, like has he apologized? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this would be so different. Yeah, And I think how
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  Speaker 2: it's a responsibility.
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  Speaker 1: How do you like truly meant anything that he said
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  Speaker 1: and apologize and taken responsibility. But I also think this
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  Speaker 1: goes back to a couple of things, but one of
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  Speaker 1: them is being when people love something and you don't
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  Speaker 1: like it, when people are like, well, look at this
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  Speaker 1: problem with this thing, right, I don't think Oh. I
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  Speaker 1: think a lot of fans are just like, let us celebrate.
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  Speaker 1: Why can't we celebrate? And we're like, yeah, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: that's what they want to.
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  Speaker 2: They they it despite all these other things.
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  Speaker 1: But there's also, I will say as disheartenings. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of this is there has been a lot of support
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  Speaker 1: or Omoso, the stand with Hormoso, a lot of a
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  Speaker 1: lot of teams, a lot of players posting about it.
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  Speaker 1: It was trending, so that's it's nice to see. It's
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  Speaker 1: some of those things like me too, which this feels
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  Speaker 1: kind of like a me too moment where it's like
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  Speaker 1: I'm so frustrated that we have to have this, but
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  Speaker 1: it is nice that people are supporting, people are stepping
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  Speaker 1: up and supporting right.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think the team supporting each other has
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  Speaker 2: been phenomenal. The coaches that were like, we're not about
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  Speaker 2: this walking away from the head coach as well, that's
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  Speaker 2: pretty phenomenal. And then like the other Spanish soccer players,
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  Speaker 2: the men who are like, yeah, we don't agree with
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  Speaker 2: those either, and this is absolutely atrocious and seeing it
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  Speaker 2: for what it is, so hopefully this will open up
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  Speaker 2: to a bigger conversation. I hate that this had to
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  Speaker 2: happen now, but then it's been happening, as you can
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  Speaker 2: tell from the other players who are not a part
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  Speaker 2: of it to begin with, because of this constant abuse
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  Speaker 2: and constant atmosphere. And again we've talked about this in
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  Speaker 2: the US, it's happened. You have to break down so
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  Speaker 2: much of the misogyny when you realize how much is tainted.
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  Speaker 2: And then like the bs that the people want to
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  Speaker 2: start like this doesn't happen in men's sports, yeah, because
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  Speaker 2: they are already given the respect of not being touched
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  Speaker 2: like that to beget with like that. The difference is
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  Speaker 2: what's the problem.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And that's a great point because we've had these
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  Speaker 1: issues in the US with the US women's gymnastics team
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  Speaker 1: and so it is widespread and that's frustrating too. But
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  Speaker 1: the fact that Ruby Alis felt so confident to do
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  Speaker 1: this in public, in front of cameras, it's to me
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  Speaker 1: that is extremely telling to what was probably happening behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes.
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  Speaker 2: Right, you have to be like, if that's public, what's
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  Speaker 2: private it? What's he hiding? Yes, well, congratulations Spain, I.
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