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UNSOLVED: Jennifer Kesse, 24, Disappears, Clothes Out for Work & Shower Damp. WHERE'S JENN · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous young girl striking
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Speaker 1: out on her own, has this awesome condo in Florida,
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Speaker 1: an awesome job, an awesome boyfriend, gets ready to go
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Speaker 1: to work one morning. If you look at her apartment,
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Speaker 1: you can see where she's laid out several outfits, trying
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Speaker 1: to figure out what to wear. But then she's never
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Speaker 1: seen again. Jennifer, What happened to Jennifer Kessey with me today?
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Speaker 1: Her family joining in not only with the latest about
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Speaker 1: a phantom figure that may have kidnapped Jennifer, but a
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Speaker 1: full on book written about the aftermath of her disappearance.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Nancy Grace, this is crime Story. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation and series
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Speaker 1: exem one eleven. First of all, take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends. At forty eight hours, twenty four year old
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Speaker 1: Jennifer seemed to have everything going for her. She had
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Speaker 1: bought a brand new condo in Orlando, she'd been promoted
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Speaker 1: at work, and there was a new man in her life.
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Speaker 1: She was intelligent, she was captivating, She had a sense
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Speaker 1: of humor. One of the first conversations we had ended
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Speaker 1: up being like five hours. Rob Allen a thirty two
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Speaker 1: year old Englishman lived two and a half hours away
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Speaker 1: in Fort Lauderdale. The couple had been dating for a
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Speaker 1: year and saw each other every other weekend. So glad
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Speaker 1: that Rob Allen is speaking out. Because of course, everyone
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Speaker 1: immediately assumed her disappearance was connected to her boyfriend, but
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Speaker 1: it was not. But she fails to show up to
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Speaker 1: work that morning, Listen, Jennifer failed to show up for
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Speaker 1: a meeting at work. Her co workers at Westgate Resorts
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Speaker 1: could reach her on her cell phone or at home,
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Speaker 1: so they called her parents. I got the phone call
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Speaker 1: from her employer that she had not shown up. Was
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Speaker 1: there a family emergency? I immediately panicked because Jen's cell
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Speaker 1: phone has never been turned off. Joyce called the manager
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Speaker 1: of Jen's apartment complex. He went to her unit. Jennifer
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Speaker 1: wasn't there, neither was her car. You know, interesting that
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Speaker 1: she's not picking up her phone, because as it is now,
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Speaker 1: who is ever very far away from their phone, much
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Speaker 1: less a young person like Jennifer Kessey With me an
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Speaker 1: I'll star panel, but first I want to go to
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Speaker 1: Bill Gilmore, Jennifer's beloved uncle, who has taken part in
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Speaker 1: all of the efforts to find Jennifer after she goes
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Speaker 1: missing that morning on her way to work. He's now
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Speaker 1: coming out with a book, Aftermath of Jennifer, Cassie's Abduction
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Speaker 1: and Uncle's Inspiring Journey and other stories of hope. Bill.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember when he first heard that Jennifer was missing. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'll never forget it. My sister had been trying, My
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Speaker 1: wife and I and our family lived in Lake Mary,
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Speaker 1: so we were about forty minutes from where jen lived
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Speaker 1: down in Orlando, and so she started calling me right
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Speaker 1: off the bat in the morning, but I was in
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Speaker 1: the air. I was traveling to New Jersey. We played
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Speaker 1: telephone tag and it wasn't until six o'clock that night
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Speaker 1: that I've learned, And of course we were just all stunned.
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Speaker 1: But at that point all we knew was she was
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Speaker 1: missing and she hadn't showed up for work. They by
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Speaker 1: that time they had arrived at the condo, and you know,
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Speaker 1: it was just that in the early stages, I mean,
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Speaker 1: everybody's hearts were just palpainting. We just overwhelmed with what happened.
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Speaker 1: And there was never a point before that moment that
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Speaker 1: Jennifer had just flaked out, had disappeared. For a weekend
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Speaker 1: or when I hear so this person just wanted space,
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Speaker 1: wanted to go out on her own. That was not Jennifer,
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Speaker 1: that's correct. I mean, Jennifer was one of these people
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Speaker 1: that so attentive and respectful. If she wasn't going to
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Speaker 1: be somewhere, she'd call let you know if she was
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Speaker 1: running late, even to the point in terms of security,
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Speaker 1: which is amazing that if she was leaving a mall
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Speaker 1: in the evening hours in dark, she would be on
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Speaker 1: the phone talking to somebody until she got into her
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Speaker 1: car and locked the door. That was you know that
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Speaker 1: she was very conscious of her surroundings. You know that's
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Speaker 1: really interesting. You know Bill Gilmore, Jennifer's beloved uncle, who
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Speaker 1: has now after taking part in every aspect of the
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Speaker 1: search for Jennifer, actually written a book aftermath of Jennifer
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Speaker 1: Kessey's abduction. I didn't know that about Jennifer. I didn't
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Speaker 1: know that she was a safety, not like myself. And
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Speaker 1: it's so interesting. My son went to a little school
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Speaker 1: party get together and my daughter and Na got a
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Speaker 1: chance to be alone last night, and we were to
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Speaker 1: one of our favorite places for vegetables. We came out
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Speaker 1: the sun hadn't quite set yet, but we got in
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Speaker 1: the car and my daughter, who's just forty, he said, Mom,
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Speaker 1: remember locked the door, glanced in the backseat, and then
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Speaker 1: locked the door immediately. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I did not
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Speaker 1: know Jennifer was liking that. Tell me about that, because
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Speaker 1: that really, to me, is very probitive of how she
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Speaker 1: was to how she was kidnapped, right, And so that's
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Speaker 1: why I think that's what what was so concerning to
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Speaker 1: us as the family. I know, extremely frustrating my sister
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Speaker 1: and brother law at the time, is that they're trying
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Speaker 1: to explain to law enforcement that this is her character
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Speaker 1: and it wasn't just them. Her employer said the same thing.
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Speaker 1: I mean, numerous people were saying that, no, this is
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Speaker 1: out of character, but they wanted to focus on the narrative.
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Speaker 1: It was a young couple had a spat, she you know,
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Speaker 1: just kind of walked off on her own. Oh I
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Speaker 1: hate that. I hate that so much. Wait wait wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: wait wait wait is that true? Ray Kiputo, Ray Kiputo,
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Speaker 1: everyone invest to get every reporter out of Orlando, and
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Speaker 1: professor at Betane Cookman University, Ray Kaputo, I didn't realize
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Speaker 1: that that was their focus at the beginning, that she
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Speaker 1: and the boyfriend we just heard talking, Rob Allen, had
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Speaker 1: had an argument, so she just stalked off. Really, then,
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Speaker 1: why didn't she land all those clothes to go to work.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going to stop off, why don't
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Speaker 1: you do it at seven o'clock in the morning for
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Speaker 1: Pete's sake? I mean, she was getting ready for work.
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Speaker 1: I didn't realize that was their focus at the beginning.
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Speaker 1: Ray Nancy like, that's the narrative that the couple had
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Speaker 1: a fight. But but here's the thing is that this
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Speaker 1: is a couple that just went on this tropical vacation
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Speaker 1: to Saint Croix. They were in a long term, a
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Speaker 1: long distance relationship, so they have this emotional rollercoaster high
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Speaker 1: being with all these friends in the beach and the sun.
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Speaker 1: You know, got some tom cruise guy flipping drinks, and
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Speaker 1: then Jennifer comes back and drives all the way to work,
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Speaker 1: you know. So they say it's a narrative of a
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Speaker 1: couple got into Flay, but Jennifer, which is in a
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Speaker 1: long distance relationship, so they had a bit of a
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Speaker 1: lover spat, you know, and that's not out of the
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Speaker 1: ordinary given their conditions. So they did have an argument.
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Speaker 1: They had what would rob called, you know, a minor disagreement,
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Speaker 1: you know, a spat between of spouses significant others. Okay,
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Speaker 1: hold on, why Karen start joining me? Psychologists joining us
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Speaker 1: out of Manhattan today? You can find her at karen
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Speaker 1: start dot com. That's Karen with a se Karen after
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Speaker 1: a lot of vacation, which is wonderful. But then I
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Speaker 1: heard him say an island. Then you come back with
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Speaker 1: your passports and you're tired, and then you get to
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Speaker 1: the airport, and then you go through the whole coming
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Speaker 1: into the country drama with your passport, and then you
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Speaker 1: have to find your luggage, and then you have to
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Speaker 1: drag your luggage to the car, and then you split
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Speaker 1: up and he goes one way, she goes the other.
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Speaker 1: I could understand why you would have an argument. I
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Speaker 1: can't tell you how many times David and I have
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Speaker 1: had it out over the baggage claims. Okay, it's just
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Speaker 1: because we're tired, the children are hungry, and so forth
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Speaker 1: and so on. I mean, it happens even after this
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Speaker 1: incredible vacation you may have had. So I'm not putting
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Speaker 1: a whole lot of stock in that. But really, Karen Start,
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Speaker 1: the reality is he was in this town, she was
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Speaker 1: in another town. His digital footprints shows he stayed in
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Speaker 1: his home and that she disappeared from her home two
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Speaker 1: hours away. Argument or no argument? By how much stock
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Speaker 1: do you put in a post vacation fuss? Well, not
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Speaker 1: at all, especially because they live in two different places.
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Speaker 1: So here they've had this wonderful experience together and then
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Speaker 1: they have to separate, and they haven't been able to
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Speaker 1: be together the whole time. So Karen start, when they
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Speaker 1: get home, she spends the night at his place, She
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Speaker 1: goes all the way home the next morning to work.
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Speaker 1: The following morning is when she goes missing. He is
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Speaker 1: still at his home. She is at her home a
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Speaker 1: couple of hours away. But Karen Start, the point I
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Speaker 1: was trying to make is that, well, you and Mark,
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Speaker 1: you're very very happy. You travel a lot. When you travel,
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Speaker 1: do you ever get into spats over silly things? I'll
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Speaker 1: tell you something, Nancy, there was a whole article about
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Speaker 1: couple of that fight when they're traveling, and because you're
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Speaker 1: in a new place, it's difficult. You're not used to
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Speaker 1: the surroundings, and you wind up getting into those kind
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Speaker 1: of spats, and it really is dispatch over things that
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Speaker 1: are nonsensical. So whether they thought there during the trip
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Speaker 1: or at the end of the trip, it seems to
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Speaker 1: me from reading this information and watching it that the
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Speaker 1: only reason they were turning to him is because the
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Speaker 1: first suspect is always the boyfriend or the husband, no
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Speaker 1: other reason, you know. Jes Scott Morgan joining me, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jackson State University, an author of Blood Beneath My Feet
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Speaker 1: on Amazon. He's a star of a new hit series
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Speaker 1: on iHeart Body Backs with Joe Scott Morgan. Joe Scott
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Speaker 1: all the YadA, YadA YadA about did they argue about
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Speaker 1: the travel It's really irrelevant because the forensics show he
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Speaker 1: was in one town and she was in another town
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Speaker 1: when she was kidnapped. Yeah. Yeah, And you have to
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Speaker 1: have a start starting point though, with any investigation, and
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Speaker 1: it always starts with those that are in the intimate circle.
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Speaker 1: And then once those individuals are eliminated, and when you
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Speaker 1: can actually verify that this subject, this boyfriend was in
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Speaker 1: a completely different area geographically, then he lessens, he lessens
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Speaker 1: in importance on this continuum that we have in investigations
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Speaker 1: and then you begin to focus on the area where
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Speaker 1: she was actually physically last seen, in those environments that
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Speaker 1: she's very familiar with. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about a brand new book that's coming out
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Speaker 1: written by Jennifer Kessie's uncle, who was there in the
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Speaker 1: hours and days following her disappearance. She seemingly had it
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Speaker 1: all on u condo. She was living him, wonderful jobs,
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Speaker 1: she just got promoted, absolutely stunning, vibrant, happy, just one
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Speaker 1: of those really good people that emanate happiness, nice to
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Speaker 1: other people, a joy to be with, and then suddenly
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Speaker 1: it says she just drops off the face of the earth.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to what her mom, Joyce Kessie tells me.
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Speaker 1: It's Cassie, what more can you tell me about what time?
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Speaker 1: If you know that she would contact her boyfriend in
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Speaker 1: the morning, jen typically left work between seven thirty and
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Speaker 1: eight in the morning, and it was her habit to
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Speaker 1: call Rob when she got in her car, So as
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Speaker 1: she got in her car and was driving to work
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Speaker 1: is when she would make that good morning call. And
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Speaker 1: as we know, Rob never received that call. And brother
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Speaker 1: loganis in as well. Take a listen to our friends
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Speaker 1: at forty eight hours. I was just like, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, this can't be happening. A mother called
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Speaker 1: her crying. I was hysterical, she said, Jens, Miss, I'm like,
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Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Who goes? She hasn't shut
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Speaker 1: off for work. Jennifer's parents and her brother Logan, raced
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Speaker 1: the two hours from their home in Bradington, Florida, to
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Speaker 1: Jen's condo. You go inside, what did you see? The
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Speaker 1: clean apartment, shower was wet, blow dryer out, and Jennifer's
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Speaker 1: father tells, nay more, listen, Drew, Cassie, you get the
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Speaker 1: news that Jennifer did not report to work. You tell
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Speaker 1: me that you immediately jump in the car and drive
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Speaker 1: our plus to get to her condo. Sure, we'll approach
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Speaker 1: the condo complex. Everything was normal to us. We got
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Speaker 1: up to the guard gate and we got let in
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Speaker 1: quite quite quickly. They really don't take a lot of implement.
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Speaker 1: Anyone who had a pass key who lived there could
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Speaker 1: come through on the right side. It looked like she
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Speaker 1: slept in her bed. She had two or three outfits
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Speaker 1: laid out on the bed, as if she was choosing
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Speaker 1: an outfit to wear. She as was stated, the bathroom
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Speaker 1: looked like someone got ready to go to work. The
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Speaker 1: rest of the condo was just perfect day. It honestly
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Speaker 1: looked like a maid came through, right down to a
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Speaker 1: full setting, four p setting table setting on her dining
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Speaker 1: room table. Too. High profile lawyer Matthew Mangino, former district attorney,
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Speaker 1: former Parole board member and author of The Executioner's Toll. Matthew,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Several things. Number One, first,
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Speaker 1: suspects always the boyfriend. He's ruled out. Number Two, the
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Speaker 1: pristine nature of the condo when the family goes in
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Speaker 1: tells me nothing happened in that condo and that that's
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Speaker 1: not where the struggle occurred. Upstairs, you can see the
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Speaker 1: shower is still damp from when she took a shower
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Speaker 1: that morning. In a case like that, as a district attorney,
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Speaker 1: what do you do next? Well, Nancy, you know, it's
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Speaker 1: an unfortunate reality that when police or district attorney law
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Speaker 1: enforcement here's about a missing person, there's always a bit
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Speaker 1: of skepticism. They don't act immediately. They want to know,
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Speaker 1: you know what the circumstances where I think that's why
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Speaker 1: the spat with the boyfriend may have been important to
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Speaker 1: them because they think maybe this is just someone who's
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Speaker 1: upset and you know, went off to reflect and they'll
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Speaker 1: be back. But that's unfortunate because that time immediately after
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Speaker 1: a person goes missing is so important and so crucial
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Speaker 1: to try to get as much evidence as you can
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Speaker 1: in terms of canvassing. What did people see, you know,
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Speaker 1: what did they see her in her car? Did they
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Speaker 1: see her car move? You know, you know it didn't
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Speaker 1: happen in that room or in that apartment because it's
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Speaker 1: not in disarray, so you know it happened immediately if
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Speaker 1: something did happen outside of that apartment. So talking to
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Speaker 1: neighbors and other people with me, Bill Gilmore and Jennifer's
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Speaker 1: uncle and author Aftermath of Jennifer kell Sees Abduction coming out. Bill,
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Speaker 1: tell me about those hours and what you were learning
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Speaker 1: about her condo and her disappearance. Well, I mean I
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Speaker 1: arrived there the next morning because I was up in
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Speaker 1: New Jersey, so I was able to find and went
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Speaker 1: directly from the airport to the condo. And obviously family
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Speaker 1: and friends who were gathering, we were all trying to
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Speaker 1: make sense of it and begin to plan just for
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Speaker 1: the missing persons, right, you know, get posters made and
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Speaker 1: started hitting corners and knocking on doors and that type
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Speaker 1: of thing. But yeah, as Drew and Logan and Joyce
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Speaker 1: of all said, I mean, this was just that condo
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Speaker 1: was like any of ours. In the morning, somebody came
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Speaker 1: by and we were in every on our way out
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Speaker 1: the door, you know, looking at outfits or whatever. Just
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Speaker 1: would be just a normal environment. So the gentleman that
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Speaker 1: just spoke is one hundred percent correct. I mean, nothing
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Speaker 1: happened in the condo. So it was somewhere between the
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Speaker 1: door which he left that door and went to the car,
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Speaker 1: and of course, the way the condos were all under
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Speaker 1: conversion from a apartments to the condo units. There weren't
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Speaker 1: I don't think, but a couple of people that were
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Speaker 1: in her building. These were open breezeways to the staircases
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Speaker 1: on either side. So I mean somebody could be easily
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Speaker 1: in that area and you wouldn't necessarily know it. I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to imagine those moments when you get there, when
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Speaker 1: you touched down in Orlando and you get to the condo,
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Speaker 1: what was the same. Oh well, I mean my heart
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Speaker 1: was racing. I think like everybody else was We're just
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Speaker 1: sitting there trying to make sense out of what it
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Speaker 1: just happened, and then what do we do? So we
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Speaker 1: obviously just you just begin to do the things that
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Speaker 1: just makes sense and try to get awareness. Drew has
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Speaker 1: done a messabul drive, as you well know, and making
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Speaker 1: sure that Jennifer's story remains in the public eye because
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Speaker 1: someone out there knows something, and it's just a matter
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Speaker 1: of ultimately having those people come forward. But the emotion
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Speaker 1: that for all of us was just we just have
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Speaker 1: to do whatever we could. And that was for two days.
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Speaker 1: So from Tuesday, all day Wednesday until the morning of
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Speaker 1: third we were we just thought she was missing, so
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Speaker 1: we're looking for her car. I'm trying to imagine the
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Speaker 1: tension in the air, and the mom and the dad
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Speaker 1: and you just doing whatever you could think of, making flyers,
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Speaker 1: putting up posters, going door to door, all with the
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Speaker 1: cloud hanging over you that the cars were insisting she
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Speaker 1: had had a spat over nothing with her boyfriend and stopped.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, working with that misconception arching over the investigation
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Speaker 1: didn't help a thing. But as you said, suddenly the
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Speaker 1: car is found. Take a listen to our friend at CBS.
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Speaker 1: Two days after Jennifer went missing, her car was found
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Speaker 1: in an apartment complex parking lot about a mile away
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Speaker 1: from where she lived. But there was no sign of
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Speaker 1: Jennifer and no conclusive DNA. But this surveillance video showed
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Speaker 1: a person parking her car at noon on the day
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Speaker 1: she disappeared being hit with a ton of bricks. The
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Speaker 1: phantom figure then walked away in the direction of Jennifer's complex.
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Speaker 1: The person was so casual, Like to Bill Gilmour, this
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Speaker 1: is Jennifer's uncle, an author of an upcoming book, Aftermath
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Speaker 1: of Jennifer Kessey's Abduction. Bill, tell me about that video. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that was the luckiest person in the world. And of
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Speaker 1: course the technology at the time when those videos of
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Speaker 1: valence cameras or graining, but they were every other second clips,
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Speaker 1: so there was a fence that that person walked by,
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Speaker 1: and every other frame there was a fence post that
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Speaker 1: was partially blocking their image. Now, for most of us,
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Speaker 1: if you actually knew that person, there was enough that
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Speaker 1: you would identify them. But obviously we didn't know who
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Speaker 1: that person is, and so we've all we've said many times,
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Speaker 1: there's two people that are missing because we have never
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Speaker 1: have come across any information having to do with that
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Speaker 1: person nor Jennifer. So two people, the person of interest
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Speaker 1: in that video and Jennifer did this phantom figure kidnap
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Speaker 1: an all American girl? Jennifer Kessie Straight back out to
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Speaker 1: Ray Kaputo, investigative reporter joining us out of Orlando. Ray again,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Tell me about that
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Speaker 1: parking lot and what we know about this so called
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Speaker 1: phantom figure and also her car. This guy parked her car.
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Speaker 1: Are there, no Prince, no DNA, nothing none. Nancy, her
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Speaker 1: car was found not too far from her own apartment complex,
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Speaker 1: but it was on American of Boulevard. Now, she lived
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Speaker 1: right by this great mall, a lot of tourists coming
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Speaker 1: and going, but right down the street the neighborhood gets sketchy.
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Speaker 1: So this car was pulled into this parking werenot where
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Speaker 1: I've heard they found numerous stolen cars. It's a higher
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Speaker 1: crime area. The person in the car sat there for
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Speaker 1: approximately thirty two seconds before getting out, and police presumed
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Speaker 1: that he may have wiped down the car. Got rid
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Speaker 1: of evidence because they found really nothing. They like a
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Speaker 1: fiber and a small fiber of evidence. No prince. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Whoeber committed this crime. Whoeber was in that car, perhaps
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Speaker 1: knew what they were doing because they watched no evidence.
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Speaker 1: You know. Amazingly, the surrealist video took a photo every
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Speaker 1: three seconds, catching this so called phantom figure, and every
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Speaker 1: three seconds, each time the person's face was obstructed by
21:26
Speaker 1: a recurring fence post. There is a wrought iron fence
21:30
Speaker 1: with thin steaks going up and then every let's just
21:36
Speaker 1: say ten or fifteen wrought iron steaks is a post.
21:43
Speaker 1: And every time the video surrels took a picture, the
21:46
Speaker 1: person's face was obstructed by that recurring post. Jennifer's father
21:53
Speaker 1: tells me more listen from that spot drew from her
21:57
Speaker 1: condo to where the car was found. I want to
22:00
Speaker 1: talk about the area where the car was found. Was
22:03
Speaker 1: it part at any kind of a business where there
22:06
Speaker 1: could be surveillance video and in that mile stretch? Florida
22:09
Speaker 1: is notorious for all of its tolls, tolls everywhere you go.
22:15
Speaker 1: You gotta have that easy pass at Sunshine Pass. So
22:18
Speaker 1: were there any tolls? Were there any red lights that
22:22
Speaker 1: they have had a red light camera between oh and
22:27
Speaker 1: the gate? Was there a camera at the gate? What
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Speaker 1: do we know about that one mile stretch drew Cassie
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Speaker 1: between Jennifer's condominium, her brand new condominium, and where her
22:37
Speaker 1: black Malibu was found. What we know at this time is,
22:42
Speaker 1: at first there was no cameras. Unfortunately, new cameras went
22:46
Speaker 1: up in Jennifer's complex two weeks after she was taken.
22:49
Speaker 1: We also know that two weeks prior to Jennifer taking
22:53
Speaker 1: the entire security force was let go at the complex
22:57
Speaker 1: and new security was taken on costs them to change
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Speaker 1: from a rental to an ownership situation. The miles stretched
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Speaker 1: in between. There were no cameras in between the one
23:10
Speaker 1: point two miles except four at the complex where Jennifer's
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Speaker 1: car was dropped. Now, we do have in our possession
23:18
Speaker 1: sixty seven hours of film that law enforcement was able
23:22
Speaker 1: to obtain from anywhere in any place they thought viable.
23:27
Speaker 1: And unfortunately the big box like Walgreens, CVS, the gas station,
23:33
Speaker 1: their cameras only made it as far as their parking lots,
23:36
Speaker 1: didn't even make it to like the sidewalks. So it's
23:40
Speaker 1: unfortunately anything that we have outside The only viable film
23:46
Speaker 1: that we have is what you see on Jennifer's website.
23:48
Speaker 1: And what have you of a person parking her cars,
23:52
Speaker 1: sitting in at thirty two seconds, wiping it down, getting out,
23:55
Speaker 1: walking away, never looking back. Okay, I'm bringing in the
23:57
Speaker 1: big guns. Joseph Scott Morgan joined me, professor forensics and
24:01
Speaker 1: death investigator. Just got extra really hard for me to believe.
24:04
Speaker 1: This guy did not leave any plants, did not leave
24:07
Speaker 1: any DNA, nothing behind in that car. Yeah, it is.
24:11
Speaker 1: And when you take a look at the image of
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Speaker 1: him walking by these fence posts, you know, and you
24:19
Speaker 1: begin to look at how he's dressed. It's not like
24:22
Speaker 1: he's got on long sleeves. He's you know, we're talking
24:24
Speaker 1: about Florida obviously, but he's got on what appeared to
24:27
Speaker 1: be maybe white pants, low quarter shoes. They're not work boots.
24:32
Speaker 1: He's got on a short sleeved shirt, which means that
24:35
Speaker 1: you've got bare skin running up to almost the elbow
24:38
Speaker 1: where you've got the potential for transfer of evidence in
24:41
Speaker 1: the form of maybe perhaps touch DNA or sweat or
24:45
Speaker 1: hair something like that that could transferred. He's not wearing gloves,
24:49
Speaker 1: and this is something else. It's kind of interesting about
24:52
Speaker 1: the image that you see as he's walking by, his
24:56
Speaker 1: hair it appears it looks as though you can see
25:00
Speaker 1: the back of his head. It looks as though he's
25:02
Speaker 1: either got like a bowl cut or his hair is
25:05
Speaker 1: pulled up in like what would be a man bun.
25:08
Speaker 1: It's kind of bulging out on the rear, so you
25:10
Speaker 1: think that, you know, we're not talking about a bald
25:12
Speaker 1: guy here. To me, it looks shaved up on the
25:14
Speaker 1: side from the neck up above the ear, right behind
25:17
Speaker 1: the ear, and then it comes out like you're saying
25:22
Speaker 1: in a bulge. You know, it does. Another issue regarding
25:26
Speaker 1: the car and the surveillance video, we get more information
25:33
Speaker 1: aside from those two leads. Take a listen to our
25:36
Speaker 1: friend Peter van Zant. The person could not be identified
25:39
Speaker 1: because the surveillance video captured a photo every three seconds,
25:43
Speaker 1: and each time the figure's face was obstructed by a
25:47
Speaker 1: fence post that Kessie's recruited private investigator Michael Tretta to
25:52
Speaker 1: help them conduct their own investigation. Tretta learned from speaking
25:57
Speaker 1: with people who lived in Jennifer's complex that construction workers
26:01
Speaker 1: were living in an empty apartment just across from Jennifer. Okay,
26:05
Speaker 1: straight out to Jennifer's uncle joining us, Bill Gilmore, who
26:10
Speaker 1: has just completed an upcoming book aftermath of Jennifer Cassie's abduction.
26:17
Speaker 1: It took the family having to hire a private investigator
26:21
Speaker 1: to find out construction workers were basically camping out in
26:26
Speaker 1: an empty apartment straight across from Jennifer Cassie. Have you
26:30
Speaker 1: ever heard the phrase we covet that which we see? Yes,
26:34
Speaker 1: I mean that. The interesting thing was that we were
26:37
Speaker 1: on that property for days and weeks, and we saw
26:41
Speaker 1: all kinds of things, and we would bring into the
26:43
Speaker 1: law enforcement, to the management, and everybody denied everything. They
26:47
Speaker 1: always claimed that these folks weren't living on property, but
26:50
Speaker 1: it was clearly obvious that they were. So Unfortunately, you know,
26:54
Speaker 1: at every turn people just shut down and obviously considering
26:58
Speaker 1: potential liability issues. We can understand why, but it doesn't
27:01
Speaker 1: help when you're looking to find somebody and that your
27:04
Speaker 1: loved one. It's amazing to me to Matthew Mangino joining
27:08
Speaker 1: us high profile lawyer that did the condo community, the
27:13
Speaker 1: apartment community not know that. I think several of these
27:19
Speaker 1: were illegal immigrants. Undocumented immigrants. We're living in an empty
27:24
Speaker 1: apartment directly across with Jennifer Cassey. Well, that's that's really
27:30
Speaker 1: troubling that you would have these possibly undocumented workers living
27:37
Speaker 1: in an apartment in a complex where you know other
27:40
Speaker 1: people are paying rent and are expecting a certain level
27:44
Speaker 1: of safety and security, and you know, we don't know
27:48
Speaker 1: how many people are living in there. We don't know
27:50
Speaker 1: the identities of these people. This is all, you know,
27:54
Speaker 1: dangerous to bring people who you do, who you don't know,
27:58
Speaker 1: who you can't identify, to live or sleep in an
28:02
Speaker 1: unused apartment in the complex. I certainly don't think that
28:06
Speaker 1: the residents there would would want that or appreciate that.
28:11
Speaker 1: In fact, you know, Jennifer had moved into this complex
28:15
Speaker 1: because she thought it was safe because it was a
28:17
Speaker 1: gated community, and now all of a sudden, you know,
28:22
Speaker 1: possibly undocumented workers or living in an apartment across the hall,
28:26
Speaker 1: and there's a problem with that. I don't care where
28:29
Speaker 1: they're from, but I care what their history is. And
28:32
Speaker 1: Bill Gilmore, Jennifer's uncle. When you have people basically squatting
28:37
Speaker 1: in an apartment and they're undocumented, I don't know if
28:40
Speaker 1: they've got a rape conviction back home from wherever they came.
28:44
Speaker 1: I don't know if they've got a mansel or convict
28:46
Speaker 1: conviction or sawdomy conviction. I don't know, and I sure
28:50
Speaker 1: as heck don't want them living across from one of
28:53
Speaker 1: my children. There's no way to trace them. We don't
28:56
Speaker 1: have their social security or they're agency, never a way
29:01
Speaker 1: to find out who they are to question them about
29:05
Speaker 1: Jennifer's disappearance. And isn't it true, Bill Gilmore, that Jennifer
29:10
Speaker 1: had actually told her family she was uneasy, unhappy, nervous,
29:16
Speaker 1: felt intimidated that all these guys were living right across
29:21
Speaker 1: from her. Well, in terms of whether they were immediately
29:23
Speaker 1: across or not, that I don't know, but I do
29:26
Speaker 1: know that the workers that were coming into do a
29:28
Speaker 1: variety of maintenance work and so forth. There was that leering,
29:33
Speaker 1: and she was very concerned about the feeling that they
29:35
Speaker 1: were constantly watching her. And she had called out, you know,
29:39
Speaker 1: to my brother in law, I drew a few times
29:41
Speaker 1: on that he obviously called management. So everybody was aware
29:45
Speaker 1: that this was going on, and we then learned that
29:48
Speaker 1: there were other females that lived in the complex that
29:51
Speaker 1: that claimed the same thing. They felt the same way
29:53
Speaker 1: that they were being blocked at and stared at and
29:56
Speaker 1: just made to feel uncomfortable. You know how many times
30:01
Speaker 1: just got Morgan Death investigator, have you handled a case?
30:06
Speaker 1: Many that we have covered, And I'm thinking back many
30:10
Speaker 1: that I investigated and prosecuted where the murder victims said,
30:14
Speaker 1: for instance, if anything happens to me, he did it.
30:19
Speaker 1: It's almost as if they have some kind of premonition.
30:21
Speaker 1: Here we have Jennifer Kessey, this gorgeous young girl just
30:25
Speaker 1: starting out in her life, telling her family and friends
30:29
Speaker 1: that the workers there were making her feel very nervous
30:34
Speaker 1: and uneasy. They were actually squatting, according to reports in
30:40
Speaker 1: the apartment complex. Yeah, and you know, you think about
30:44
Speaker 1: you think about this as well. Many times workers like
30:48
Speaker 1: this will be very transient. So if you've got a
30:51
Speaker 1: transient population where they're going on to the next job site,
30:54
Speaker 1: for instance, you know that work is done. And as
30:58
Speaker 1: Bill had mentioned just a moment ago, there were a
31:00
Speaker 1: variety of things that may have been being done around
31:02
Speaker 1: that area relative to two types of construction. So you've
31:07
Speaker 1: got different trades. You know, maybe you've got people that
31:10
Speaker 1: are doing ceramic, maybe you've got people that are doing hanging,
31:14
Speaker 1: I don't know, sheet rock or whatever, and those groups
31:17
Speaker 1: kind of come and go I think my big question
31:19
Speaker 1: with this, and since these workers have constantly come up,
31:22
Speaker 1: We've been covering this for a long time now, did
31:27
Speaker 1: they go to the people that are actually doing the contracting,
31:31
Speaker 1: you know those individuals, and really put their feet to
31:34
Speaker 1: the fire about who they were bringing in to do
31:37
Speaker 1: these works, this work, who were their points of contact
31:41
Speaker 1: along the way. They're not going to cooperate, Bill Gilmore,
31:44
Speaker 1: not that just Scott Morgan is wrong. He's right, but
31:48
Speaker 1: there is no way that apartment complex or condo complex,
31:51
Speaker 1: whatever you're gonna call it, is ever going to admit yeah,
31:55
Speaker 1: we knew undocumented workers, workers were squatting there, You're never
32:00
Speaker 1: going to say that. And that was one of the
32:02
Speaker 1: biggest frustrations is that the things were so obvious. I mean, like,
32:06
Speaker 1: as the other Gentlemens just said, there's panel vans all
32:08
Speaker 1: over the place, and so you know, your mind immediately
32:11
Speaker 1: moves to the fact that I think if a panel
32:14
Speaker 1: van happened to be parked right next to her car
32:16
Speaker 1: and she's coming out of her complex and get ready
32:19
Speaker 1: with her back turned opened up her own car, if
32:22
Speaker 1: the panel door was opened, and again, this is going
32:25
Speaker 1: on every day, so you're not necessarily paying attention to
32:27
Speaker 1: it because you're you're expecting to see workers there, but
32:30
Speaker 1: they could have easily been pulled into the van. And
32:32
Speaker 1: that was what concerned us from the very beginning, is
32:34
Speaker 1: why weren't those people and the contractors being looked at
32:53
Speaker 1: crime stories With Nancy Grace. Jennifer's father, Drew tells me
33:01
Speaker 1: that Jennifer said, there are a lot of workers here,
33:06
Speaker 1: and whenever I walk to my car, they stop what
33:10
Speaker 1: they're doing and they just look and stare at me.
33:13
Speaker 1: Walk into my car right there. To Karen's stark, she's
33:20
Speaker 1: basically telling us from beyond the grave what happened to her.
33:25
Speaker 1: That's right, Nancy, She's definitely afraid of these men. And
33:30
Speaker 1: I wanted to add that I'm pretty sure somebody else
33:34
Speaker 1: also complained. Did that? Then? Yes, six other women and
33:39
Speaker 1: they had keys. And I think that one of them
33:41
Speaker 1: even had been working in Jennifer's apartment or its familiar
33:46
Speaker 1: with it. What about that, Bill Gilmore, Is that true
33:48
Speaker 1: one of them was working in her apartment? Well, they
33:51
Speaker 1: had I mean, obviously the folks that are associated with
33:53
Speaker 1: the ownership, the people are doing maintenance had keys to
33:57
Speaker 1: get in and out of the unit. So they could
33:58
Speaker 1: be doing the maintenance work, you know the punch list
34:00
Speaker 1: items that have been reported to them. Now, typically they
34:04
Speaker 1: would give you advanced notice, but I think there was
34:06
Speaker 1: an opportunity or two where they came when she was
34:09
Speaker 1: still there unexpected, or stay when when she was in
34:12
Speaker 1: the condo. She was certainly made to feel uncomfortable as well. Now,
34:16
Speaker 1: according to another woman that lived there named Colleen, and
34:19
Speaker 1: we're not revealing her last name, she said, and I quote,
34:23
Speaker 1: when I would come home from work, there would be
34:26
Speaker 1: a large group of men outside drinking, and whenever I
34:30
Speaker 1: would have to walk past them, there would be comments
34:34
Speaker 1: or uncomfortable steers. It wasn't a great feeling. I didn't
34:38
Speaker 1: like it. So we know that other women were going
34:42
Speaker 1: through the same thing. Another phenomena. Bill Gilmour is joining me.
34:48
Speaker 1: This is Jennifer's uncle who has just completed a book
34:51
Speaker 1: about to come out aftermath of Jennifer, Cassie's abduction and
34:55
Speaker 1: uncle's inspiring journey and other stories of hope. Bill, I
34:59
Speaker 1: have found, and I'm not happy to report this, that
35:04
Speaker 1: very often criminals will act when they're in a group
35:09
Speaker 1: and do things they would never do on their own.
35:13
Speaker 1: You get a group of these undocumented construction workers. They're squatting,
35:18
Speaker 1: they're they're drinking, they're watching her back and forth, leering
35:23
Speaker 1: insane comments. Two of them may attack Jennifer together, when
35:32
Speaker 1: if they had been on their own, that would never
35:33
Speaker 1: have happened. And I can imagine that that would be true. Again,
35:38
Speaker 1: it's there's so much of this story that it's disturbing,
35:41
Speaker 1: and here we are, almost seventeen years later, still talking
35:44
Speaker 1: about it without really much in the way of answers,
35:47
Speaker 1: And a lot of this should have been addressed in
35:49
Speaker 1: those early days and weeks. Tell me what led you
35:52
Speaker 1: to write your book bill Well number one. Immediately following that,
35:58
Speaker 1: I took stock in my own life and I began
36:01
Speaker 1: to realize that my life was an absolute mess. And
36:03
Speaker 1: it's funny how they say that pain is God's megaphone.
36:07
Speaker 1: It's true, and in this particular case, Jennifer's abduction just
36:11
Speaker 1: brought me to my knees to begin to really reflect
36:13
Speaker 1: on the things that were most important in my life.
36:16
Speaker 1: And as I shared in the in the Fox News Racle,
36:19
Speaker 1: literally I prayed for God to take my life because
36:22
Speaker 1: I said I had made a mess of it. But
36:24
Speaker 1: Jennifer deserved her life. She deserved to have the life
36:27
Speaker 1: that she had planned, and as you had said earlier,
36:30
Speaker 1: she had everything moving in the right direction. And so
36:35
Speaker 1: soon after that, you know, I just began a journey
36:38
Speaker 1: of life transformation. And then during COVID, of course, as
36:42
Speaker 1: we were all sheltering in place and shut down and
36:45
Speaker 1: physically isolated and socially distancing from people, I realized that
36:50
Speaker 1: we are living in a time of escalation in terms
36:53
Speaker 1: of help of this hopelessness, fear, anxiety, and I wanted
36:56
Speaker 1: to be a person to inspire hope. And that's what
37:00
Speaker 1: really propelled me to write this book, is to begin
37:02
Speaker 1: to share that despite the circumstances that we can find
37:06
Speaker 1: ourselves in life, we can find our way through to
37:09
Speaker 1: piece joy, hope, and I want to share that, and
37:13
Speaker 1: I'm also sharing some stories of others that inspired me
37:16
Speaker 1: along the LASS sixteen plus years as well. But as
37:19
Speaker 1: I said to Joyce and Drew when I was visiting
37:21
Speaker 1: with them back on July fourth week, that I firmly
37:24
Speaker 1: believe that if this book can be read by the
37:28
Speaker 1: people the person or people that were directly involved in
37:31
Speaker 1: Jennifer's case, that they would hopefully learn that despite whatever
37:35
Speaker 1: it is that they've done, that does not mean that's
37:38
Speaker 1: the last chapter of their life. They can be redeemed
37:41
Speaker 1: and that they can certainly find a new beginning, but
37:44
Speaker 1: they have to come clean and they have to face
37:46
Speaker 1: whatever the consequences are. But I will also say to
37:49
Speaker 1: your listeners that there are so many there's thousands of
37:53
Speaker 1: these stories, and so the impact is not just for
37:56
Speaker 1: the people it's personal to me with Jennifer, but also
38:00
Speaker 1: I would like to hope that somebody anywhere that's involved
38:03
Speaker 1: in some type of Humi's crime would read this and
38:06
Speaker 1: realize that no matter what you've done in life, it
38:09
Speaker 1: can be restored, it can be rescued. Wow. Bill Gilmore
38:13
Speaker 1: joining us. This is Jennifer's uncle, author of Aftermath of
38:17
Speaker 1: Jennifer Kessy's Abduction. I pray that you are right, Bill Gilmore.
38:24
Speaker 1: The tip line is eight six six eight to three
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Speaker 1: eight eleven fifty three eight six six eight three eight
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Speaker 1: eleven fifty three, or I advise the Kessie family tip
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Speaker 1: line nine four one two zero one four zero zero
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Speaker 1: nine repeat nine four one to zero one four zero
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Speaker 1: zero nine. There is a fifteen thousand dollars three boys
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime Story, signing off good bye friend,