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Sister Wives S5 E3 - More Sister Wives! · My Sister Wives Podcast

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  What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
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  Goodbye. You shut it off.
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  Do not twist my words. Do not make me a victim.
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  Sweetie. Just look at the mountain.
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  That's what you saw. That day, just the knife in the
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  kidneys over all these years and
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  love you. Happy Cinco de Mayo for anyone
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  who celebrates and anyone who's listening on a release date.
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  May 5th Gay. If you're not working and you're
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  not driving, have a Margarita,
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  whatever you do on May 5th. Enjoy some mezcal.
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  For me, it's just about the drinking.
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  So I'm, you know, traditionalist
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  Agreed. Season 5 Episode 3 More Sister
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  Wives. Oh, we're going to be meeting
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  more Sister wives. Very inventive title.
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  I would say in this episode we
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  family's pre approvals because
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  enough. So in case you don't remember
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  from the episode before this or the one before that or the one
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  before that, they've been working towards being pre
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  approved for their homes at the cul-de-sac and they have been
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  pre approved. We did get a moment of Robyn
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  being told she was approved and it was like, oh.
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  I didn't want my my previous marriage to affect this family.
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  And one of the clips had her big
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  ah yes, don't ever let us forget
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  They like to remind us. Before we get introduced to
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  these other sister wives, the more sister Wives, America's
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  second favorite polygamist family, we're going to go with
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  Kody as he visits each of his wives homes to discuss briefly
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  their home plan decisions. You started Christine's house.
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  Everyone's favorite brown wife.
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  There's a lot of favorites happening here, and I think I'm
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  lying about all of them. Oh, it changes.
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  It changes each time, doesn't it?
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  That's why we have the shit stain in the mustard seed.
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  It truly does change. This time we're starting out
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  with Christine being the favorite.
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  We'll see if she is at the end. Oh, yeah, they're reviewing the
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  house plans and Christine says she would like the five bedroom
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  slash 6 bedroom option. My assumption is, and I, you
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  know, we definitely are not done with this topic.
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  Oh my God, we are not done with this topic.
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  But I think that means that Christine is going for the five
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  bedroom option and is hoping for this dining room slash
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  office slash study that's off the foyer to be a sixth bedroom
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  because, you know, she has all these kids and they need all
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  these rooms. We have Robyn and Meri
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  affectionately calling it a hobby room and we've got
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  Christine saying that she wants 6 bedrooms and Kody is like,
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  oh, so you want the five bedroom
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  Yeah, and they're all talking about the budget here and they
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  all have the same budget. So they have to talk about their
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  budget and what they want and to
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  They only have finite resources.
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  Yes, the second wife's home that we visit is Janelle and of
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  course she doesn't think that she needs 5 bedrooms.
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  She just doesn't see it. And she's got one kid that can
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  These two could be together. She wants the kids to share
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  rooms. She doesn't think that each kid
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  needs their own room. And Kody is pushing her to have
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  the extra bedroom. And he brings up Logan and he's
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  like, what? You don't think that Logan's
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  going to be here to visit all the time in the summer?
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  You don't think that one of the kids will potentially stay here,
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  penny pinching bullshit. And I do understand kids sharing
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  sister for a while. It was under obscure, weird
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  circumstances that we had to share a bedroom under duress,
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  that we had to share a bedroom. And I think it builds character,
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  child and I personally don't think I was scarred for life
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  from it. I think that that makes sense.
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  And you know, I hate when I have to say this makes sense.
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  When Kody saying something it's terrible but I agree with Kody
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  fucking bedroom. All I can think of is 14 year
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  old me with my tiny little box white television that I
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  purchased with my own money that I saved up standing right up
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  next to the speaker on top. It was on top of my dresser
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  watching talk sex with Sue at midnight on the quietest volume
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  and listening with my ear up to the speaker.
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  I couldn't have done that if I was sharing A room.
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  I couldn't have watched dark Sexist soup and Oxygen after
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  dark with a sister sleeping in my room.
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  It's part of growing up. Weird shit like that, come on.
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  your siblings, that does change a person, I think.
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  I mean, we're going to find out later on that maybe a couple of
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  these other polyglas, I, I don't.
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  Know yeah maybe they were watching so they.
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  Were watching together the equivalent, she was around a
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  long time before I ever started watching it and it would even
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  say on the bottom this is a rerun, do not call in when it
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  would put her number up. Maybe they did, who knows?
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  Robyn would like the hobby room and a fifth bedroom because
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  maybe she'll have more kids. Ellipsis dot dot dot.
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  She is the only one that brings up that she wants the extra
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  bedroom for a potential child. She is the only one that's going
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  I mean like. Christine like we're being
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  honest with ourselves. Like Christine and Janelle, like
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  beginning of the show, like the first season, they both said,
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  like maybe after Christine had little truly scrumptious, she
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  might have said something like, I think I'm done.
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  Actually, I think that after Saul was born, she did have.
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  I think she's brought it up that she knows she's done.
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  After that. I do remember her saying that
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  she is done, that she doesn't want anymore, which is why it
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  was even more of a slap in the face the way that Kody treated
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  But you know. Well, and when Robyn says this
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  this wonderful two shot of her and Meri in the same frame and
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  Leave it in, motherfucker. And there was like this long,
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  drawn out like moment where it's like, OK, yes, we get it.
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  We're still talking about Meri's fertility.
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  Oh my God. But luckily we don't get into
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  that. Thank God.
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  They just move on. And Meri is the 4th and final
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  wife, even though she's the first wife for Kody's house
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  tour. House tour?
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  I know there's a song about that these days, but I'm too old to
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  My wet bar. I want my wet bar.
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  She wants that wet bar. That's her dream.
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  If it's under 8K because that's what's left in her budget.
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  And then she asked a joke about wanting to add a tennis court
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  for Leon. Right.
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  While they're discussing this, he says there's something about
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  like, well, if as long as it's under 8K, then it should be OK.
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  And then she's like, well, a
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  tennis court for Leon. And he think I think he cracked
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  a joke about it being like 45,000 or one of them did.
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  And it's just like, Oh my God,
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  bit funnier because like if. She I didn't know she was joking
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  right away and I literally looked at Chris and I said if
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  this bitch thinks she's getting a tennis court for like
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  whatever 8K she might have leftover, which it doesn't
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  sound like she is if she gets the wet bar right.
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  Get out of town with this shit.
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  That's where I'm like, if she was funnier it could have
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  worked, but she's not funny enough.
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  So it just seemed like she was legitimately suggesting it.
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  And then there was like, obviously I'm kidding.
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  And it's like, Meri, nobody knows you're kidding because
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  you're fucking weird. Yeah, get all the other kids out
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  Just pack it down, get your kids
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  to work, and then you can have
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  Leon. And like, that's even a real
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  thing. It's so ridiculous.
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  It's almost as ridiculous as her
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  Distracting, so distracting. Every time they do a close up
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  I'm like oh God Meri. The bad spray tan is still in
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  full swing. Oh yeah, full swing.
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  She must have gotten it for this
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  their. For their for their upcoming
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  trip. And then we get this
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  introduction to America's second
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  It was kind of odd because I don't like sometimes how they
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  edit it where they give us some things but not enough things.
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  So then you're like, OK, like what's happening?
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  And then I think they think it's
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  really I'm like, oh God, what is
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  They start talking about there's
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  Brown family and that there's 27
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  we're going on a plague vacation with a polygamist vacation. 50
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  total. 50 people that are going to be on this plague vacation,
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  which means a vacation of polygamists.
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  God, Meri thinks she's so funny. And it only gets worse.
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  Like these days. It's terrible.
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  I want to know if when Meri got into the spray tan booth if it
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  appropriation and she just turned it all the way fucking up
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  Well maybe she knew that we would be re watching and
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  recording this episode and releasing it on May 5th.
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  And so she went. I'm going South of the border
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  for this episode. She knew that we'd be reviewing
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  this on Cinco de Mayo. You're right.
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  Yeah, she knew. Because as as I have told you
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  before, I have astral projected into their past.
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  Oh yes, that's right. Into their past I.
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  Think you're going to say into Meri Cenote but no into their
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  past? And I have said while I did
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  check that out too and let me tell you issues.
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  Cavernous. Cavernous, not an egg.
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  Insight all. Right.
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  No eggs. Kody hasn't been here in years.
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  Hello, hello, hello.
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  I got to say I have gone back and I did let her know.
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  We're going to be talking about you on Cinco de Mayo, Girl.
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  Yeah, and it was. Get festive.
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  It was a time where, you know,
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  didn't think like they do now,
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  Unfortunately for her, I didn't warn her about cancel culture,
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  Right? So sorry about that, Meri.
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  I'm so sorry. Sorry, Meri.
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  So sorry, I did you wrong. I did you dirty, girl.
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  I'm wondering if this is the most inappropriate thing she
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  could be cancelled for in the show.
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  I think mostly people just want to cancel her for other reasons
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  that aren't appropriation. So there's, there's a lot of
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  Cancel Meri out there. I'm the president of the Cancel
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  Meri fan club. Oh.
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  Boy. So these 27 other people going
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  on this polygamous family trip, this plague vacation, they're
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  called the Dargers, DAR Gers. Not the Duggars, the Dargers.
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  So throughout the episode, I want to make that very clear
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  because the pronunciation of these people with that last name
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  was questionable. And I had to wait for it to come
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  across the screen to spell it out to be like, OK, they are not
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  related whatsoever to the daggers.
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  Well, we don't know that. We don't know that, yeah, but it
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  is the Dargers. And yeah, unfortunately it took
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  a minute to know what their last
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  said it many times because of that Utah accent.
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  We learn about their family. They kind of go straight over to
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  the family on the couch. The adults after this we're
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  going on a plague vacation announcement is like weirdly
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  made just by talking about the
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  vacation. We're going on a plague
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  vacation. So we learn about this other
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  family and they're 23 kids. First we've got Alina, wife
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  number one wife #2 is Vicki. And then ten years later, we get
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  Val, and the kick in the shins
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  sister. Well, they're all married to
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  Joe. Joe.
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  Patriarch of the family. And so he's our.
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  The shock of the twin sisters.
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  Joe, My bad. Joe is like our counter to Kody.
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  He's the the man of the house,
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  And yeah, Alina and Vicki, they do introduce Alina as wife
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  number one and Vicki as wife number two.
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  However, we learned that they got married at the same time.
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  Yeah. So I don't know how one's one
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  and one's two. Maybe whoever's cavern is the
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  smallest? I don't really know.
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  I think it's how the dads approved the marriage because
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  they go into the approval of the
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  women and I think it's the order that their fathers handed
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  their daughters over consensually.
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  Consensually handed their daughters.
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  I don't know, Joe. Yeah.
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  So Alina and Vicki get married first to Joe at the same time,
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  Vicki's sister. Vicki's sister, OK.
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  So Alina and Vicki were raised in plural lifestyles.
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  So we go into this story of these two women first and how
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  they met Joe, Alina, and Vicki. They talk about being raised in
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  the plural life and how this was not odd for them and that
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  Joe's mom knew that they both liked him and went and spoke to
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  them each and said that they should pursue him together.
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  Right. So Joe's mom went and spoke with
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  and I'm going to encourage these two women to go and marry
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  him. Two clams on a surfboard?
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  Yes, surf and turf. Surf and Turf Joe talks a lot
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  about how courtship is for the
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  it's very serious. And that this proposition of
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  these two ladies kind of took him by surprise, even though his
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  mom was pulling the strings of
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  I think he's being very genuine in the fact that he wasn't just
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  jumping on this idea right away.
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  He really wanted to think it through and it seemed like a lot
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  I mean, he didn't. It didn't sound like BS when he
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  was talking. I didn't think so.
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  I think this entire episode he is very forthcoming and like
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  Blunt. So Vicki's dad said that he was
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  completely OK with her getting married at the same time as
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  Alina to Joe. But Alina's dad was pissed.
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  And it took a little while for Alina's dad to approve this.
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  And he said to Alina, I'm giving my permission, not my blessing.
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  So that's why I think it's odd
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  that it's like the wife #1 Alina, then Vicki, because
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  Alina's dad was the second. So I guess it doesn't make
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  sense. It was the dad's approval.
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  That was the order of the wives.
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  I have a confession honey. I don't know who these women
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  are. I was confused for most of the
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  his Dick 1st and who sucked his Dick second.
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  It was a lot for me. I mean honeymoon I, I there's so
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  And it also doesn't help that all these women look similar
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  from a distance Slash like for me, if you just kind of moved
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  them around in order on the couch, I would have been like, I
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  I I thought that the twins were not the twins because I thought
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  they looked more alike. And then you were like, no, the
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  noses. There's two that have some
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  beaks. Yep.
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  And one who has a a. Ski Jump.
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  Nose Ski. Jump nosy.
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  And so when I could catch that, I could go, oh, sure, yeah.
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  And when they were standing, there was some height
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  differences, but when they were on the couch, there were several
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  I could tell the noses and then there were times where both
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  twins would turn a certain way and you'd clock it.
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  But I just find the whole situation very interesting
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  because you got another type of group.
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  So they're not part of the same religious sect, which they did
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  distinction is. A lot of listeners that are deep
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  know. But yeah, it was, it was crazy
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  well, I guess you have my permission, but not my blessing.
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  Joe right away afterwards, like,
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  it. And I just, part of me thinks,
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  and I do not want to like, assume anything about anyone's
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  sexuality, but I think that there was like this friendship
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  that formed between these two women.
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  And part of me wonders if it was
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  Interesting. I don't know.
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  I'm not sure that I was picking up that vibe, but I also wasn't
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  looking for it. I was trying to remember who was
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  who. Yeah, Joe talks a lot about how
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  they became best friends after
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  maybe you should go pursue them together.
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  And I really don't want to, like, push any sort of agenda or
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  idea on these people. But, you know, there's a part of
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  me that thinks of, like, lavender marriages.
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  And maybe they were hanging out a lot.
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  And Joe's mom saw it, and in her.
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  Idiotic mind that's blinded by
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  She thought that they both were interested in her son and they
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  weren't. I don't know.
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  But anyway, I think that these
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  to even have gone along with this from the start, so.
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  Sure, I mean, Joe does reference
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  reminder of that they court to marry not to date.
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  So that's definitely a big thing
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  background. Like he's all about kind of the
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  oh God, whatever the steps are, the protocols of like their
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  courting rituals and blah, blah,
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  And he did at one point say something like, Oh, and I would
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  drive up to where to the house
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  would be there and I would be all giddy or excited.
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  And it's like. OK.
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  He was like, I'd be intimidated,
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  was a lot and, like, overwhelming two women at once
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  instead of just one. I think that it was like, oh.
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  Yeah, it's hard for me to get inside Joe's brain.
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  Yeah, yeah, he's very a stoic person.
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  That seems like. He has a skull, he's got a bald
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  head, A. Skull it's.
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  Shiny and he definitely is a rule follower.
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  He's a rule giver. And they give us an example
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  right off the bat because Joe is
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  for the children for getting in the vans to drive to Vegas.
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  Yeah, he has a straight up seating chart and he says once
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  they're assigned to a seat, they
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  where they're sitting. Yes, it's so great.
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  So this is something, you know, a little foreshadowing as well
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  into the parallels and the differences between he and Kody
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  is like a theme of this episode.
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  Before we get into the seating assignment bit, there was a
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  moment where one of the Dargers provided an update saying that
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  overnight or stay in Vegas overnight.
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  And then they're going to be heading to Southern California,
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  to Oceanside as this, this polygamous vacation, this plague
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  it. My God, plague vacation.
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  So that when they give us this example of the seating chart,
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  it's a little like, OK, because then all of a sudden we're back
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  to talking about how they got married two weeks after he
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  proposed. At least the first two lesbian
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  they're. Not lesbians.
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  The two sisters. Sisters.
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  No, no, these two aren't sisters.
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  The Scissor Sisters. We got the Scissor Sisters and
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  They're two different sisters, but they're all sister wives.
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  Holy shit. We are meeting a lot of sister
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  Oh, God, a lot of spit being exchanged around here.
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  Valerie volunteers that she was married previously in a plural
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  I always, I don't know, get to do a little skins chin scratch
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  Skin scratch when it comes to being previously married in a
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  plural marriage with no details given, right?
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  Was there many wives? Was there just one other wife?
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  Was it Scissor Sisters where the blades got very dull?
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  You know what was happening. Yeah, she doesn't obviously give
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  Like she's just like I was in a previous plural marriage.
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  For 11 1/2 years though. Yeah, for a hollow.
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  It wasn't just like she tried. It didn't work.
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  No, she had kids with this other person and it was 11 1/2 years,
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  and she was only divorced for one year.
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  Yeah, before coming to visit her sister Vicki.
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  Yeah, for less than a year and she comes to visit.
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  Yeah. And when Joe is talking about
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  this visit, I was like, what in the world at first?
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  Because he's like, it's like, I had never seen her.
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  And I was like, it's her fucking twin.
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  Like obviously you have seen her before.
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  I think he just means, like, in a sexual way.
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  Like, I'd never looked at her in a sexual way.
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  I'd never thought of her or seen her as anything other than my
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  wife's sister. And then on this trip, that
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  lightning struck, struck him straight in the chest.
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  Lightning strikes so many of these fucking polygamists.
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  It was like his half beating heart was finally fully a thump
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  thump thump in a way. Which means his first two wives
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  were only 1/4 of his heart. Like it's just sad.
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  This math is sad. It was lost on me at first.
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  So I was like, he had never seen her before.
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  And then it's like, Oh no, he had never seen her before.
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  He realized that maybe she could be the one that sharpens those
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  Vicki said that she saw her sister and Joe look at each
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  other and like the look was just different and she knew right
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  away that they would eventually be married.
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  She could smell where that lightning struck.
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  It was like sulfur. She could smell what they were
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  She could smell the sulfur. She was.
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  Like it's not Valerie's halitosis, it's the lightning.
• 25:24
  Me and Joe says, you know, we prayed about it.
• 25:26
  We prayed about it, and then we determined that Valerie should
• 25:36
  and. Incestuous feeling.
• 25:38
  It is incestuous. It's literally the definition of
• 25:44
  It's not a brother and a. Sister but sex with each other,
• 25:48
  but are they not having sex with each other?
• 25:51
  They're bunker, bunker buddies, or what do you call it, A tunnel
• 25:57
  about if they share bedrooms in this episode.
• 25:59
  They did not. They share a kitchen.
• 26:01
  We find out for sure, but. Definitely share a kitchen, but
• 26:04
  do they share a bedroom? They skipped over that detail.
• 26:11
  we've been with the same guy? They have like a term for it.
• 26:16
  Women do. US women, US ladies.
• 26:18
  I can't even think of it right now.
• 26:22
  I know because I'm going. If it's the other way, it's
• 26:26
  usually sloppy seconds, but that could that's kind of gender
• 26:29
  neutral. Why?
• 26:29
  I want to say bunker buddies but that's 1000% not it.
• 26:33
  OK. It's.
• 26:33
  Not it. Yeah, I don't know what it means
• 26:39
  Tunnel Buddies. Tunnel Buddies.
• 26:40
  No, that's what you think 2 guys call if they've been with the
• 26:44
  same girl. I feel like I don't know any of
• 26:46
  these things. Oh my gosh, maybe it's.
• 26:47
  Because I'm a pure gay man. Well, you would.
• 26:51
  Yeah, very pure, touched by an. Angel I'm just going to shout it
• 26:59
  Sudden you're like, you know what it's about.
• 27:02
  One eyed snake whisperers. Charmers.
• 27:05
  No. Snake Whisperers.
• 27:09
  Oh God. Then the brown adults are
• 27:14
  talking about being sisters and sister wives and the
• 27:17
  complications involved in that. Like they're having this couch
• 27:23
  said something like if my sister married Kody and was my sister
• 27:30
  And I'm like bitch, duh. But I'm glad they gave us the
• 27:34
  obvious because, you know, this is Sister Wives, so they have to
• 27:46
  her and that's why she says this.
• 27:48
  She's like, this is normal conference.
• 27:50
  She's like, well we've gotten a little bit away from this by now
• 28:04
  Oh my gosh. Yeah, Meri says something about
• 28:07
  Hopefully by the end of the weekend we'll be able to tell
• 28:10
  Alina and Valerie apart, which I love because I'm like, girl, I
• 28:15
  Valerie and Vicky. Valerie.
• 28:16
  See, I didn't even say the names right.
• 28:18
  I don't think they even ever call her Valerie.
• 28:20
  It's Val and Vicky. Val Well, I know it's Valerie.
• 28:26
  But they call her Val. That's fine.
• 28:28
  Val Well, Val and Vick or Val and Al?
• 28:31
  We're probably both completely wrong and actually Joel was a
• 28:34
  twin. Sister Valerie, Vic, Vicki,
• 28:36
  There's a lot of names and a lot of faces and I don't know any of
• 28:45
  Yes, please. Shame me, shame me in the
• 28:48
  synagogue for being so wrong about this.
• 28:51
  But I'm actually not ashamed because Oh my God, these women.
• 28:54
  It was confusing and they didn't
• 28:56
  show their names every time that
• 28:58
  They need they. Showed it like one time.
• 29:01
  If anything, this is when they
• 29:04
  the entire episode because it's like there's 27 members of
• 29:08
  their family and then they're like randomly would show a
• 29:11
  name but it was like oh we needed this like 5 times more
• 29:14
  regularly. Yeah, so we get to Meri's house
• 29:17
  and the Dargers have shown up and the two families are getting
• 29:25
  how they're not going to remember each other's kids names
• 29:32
  And it's funny because both, you know, couples are joking with
• 29:36
  each other about it. They're debating on when to
• 29:40
  leave and like, Kody and the Brown wives are just going back
• 29:45
  and forth on what time they should leave.
• 29:48
  And it's obvious of the Dargers are way more organized.
• 29:51
  And this is when it comes up where Joe is like, please just
• 30:00
  I'll be annoyed, right? And I don't blame him.
• 30:03
  It's funny because it's not something that maybe you would
• 30:10
  for four years. They referenced earlier in the
• 30:15
  I don't know that they spent, you know, every holiday
• 30:18
  together, but he probably knows their skis like he knows their,
• 30:22
  and not like downhill skis like their skis like he knows their
• 30:28
  doesn't Meri. Doesn't know her own skis.
• 30:30
  Oh my God. Bye pizza.
• 30:34
  Oh God, Meri, Meri was like, oh, I've got that knee brace.
• 30:39
  Got to put that back on. But I love this whole, I mean,
• 30:46
  someone was like, hey, show up at 9:00 and we'll hit the road.
• 30:49
  And if they were still getting
• 30:50
  their shit together at 10, I would be tapping my foot looking
• 30:53
  annoyed and I would be staring
• 30:56
  done? You have. 23 fucking kids with
• 30:59
  you and you're waiting for an hour and you've organized your
• 31:03
  caravan and you're like, we're
• 31:08
  with your caravan in tow and all
• 31:11
  Like this guy who was like acting like he's in the military
• 31:14
  and the Browns are a shit show
• 31:17
  Yes. And I was like, the Browns can
• 31:19
  never be ready and they're never
• 31:23
  They are tragic. Definitely.
• 31:25
  There's a couch moment before we
• 31:28
  together where they're talking
• 31:31
  Joe. And Meri says, well, I could
• 31:33
  marry a man like that. And Kody gets up and walks out
• 31:38
  of the confessional as like a humorous moment because he's
• 31:42
  like, you know, they're all kind
• 31:45
  be, you know, with a man that's like that or whatever.
• 31:47
  And Meri, oh, I can marry a man like that.
• 31:49
  And he just gets up and walks out.
• 31:50
  And it's pretty funny. They all laugh.
• 31:53
  Yeah, I mean, it's pretty obvious that Meri would probably
• 31:55
  do better in an organized situation like this.
• 31:59
  We get to the next morning and
• 32:03
  vans and getting ready to go. Janelle is hoping that Joe is
• 32:08
  not going to be mad because she's worried that they're
• 32:10
  running behind. And she makes that comment about
• 32:13
  making fun of him. Yeah, where she's.
• 32:14
  I don't remember exactly what she said.
• 32:16
  Well, Janelle and Meri kind of
• 32:19
  and Janelle rolls her eyes and
• 32:23
  like a mocking voice like better
• 32:28
  blah. I couldn't be with someone like
• 32:30
  that. And she rolls her eyes, but
• 32:32
  they're all packing up and just kind of crossing their fingers
• 32:36
  that it works out. Because that's what they do.
• 32:38
  They don't come up with seating charts.
• 32:41
  They just cross their fingers and help.
• 32:44
  Let's get our family of over 20 in these vehicles and hit the
• 32:48
  road without a plan. That's so the Browns.
• 32:51
  Well, then these amazing producers don't give us much
• 32:55
  else here except we Joe saying
• 33:00
  leaving on time. And so I guess that's hinting
• 33:04
  that they left on time, which would be around 10 AM and that's
• 33:07
  it. At least Joe didn't have to
• 33:09
  throw a fit or, you know, beat
• 33:13
  That would have been, you know, that would have been something.
• 33:15
  He is pretty muscular. Listen, I, I was going to say
• 33:18
  there's some circumstances where
• 33:21
  I'd be happy about the beating.
• 33:22
  And then there'd be other times where I'd be like, this is not
• 33:27
  Ready on time, honey? Stop beating me.
• 33:30
  Get your hands off. But then other times it might be
• 33:35
  deserve a beating. Drag me to the car by my heels.
• 33:41
  Oh God, we're terrible.
• 33:45
  I don't know who is driving the white car, but as they're
• 33:48
  pulling up to the rental homes, Kody's like yelling at one of
• 33:52
  the people driving one of the cars, like learn how to drive.
• 33:55
  And I think it's like his own kid.
• 33:59
  It is funny because all of a sudden we just arrive at
• 34:01
  Oceanside, CA like we're from Vegas to Oceanside now.
• 34:06
  The quickest you're going to drive from LA area to Vegas is
• 34:09
  probably like 5:00-ish hours. So they probably had like a full
• 34:13
  day because the Browns also can't get anywhere quickly.
• 34:16
  So they probably it was probably
• 34:20
  I. Mean think of all the potty
• 34:21
  breaks with the little kids. They did.
• 34:23
  And like Kody, they don't plan
• 34:25
  So I'm sure by the time they got
• 34:27
  have only stopped twice or something, you know?
• 34:29
  We had to stop this many times.
• 34:31
  You guys didn't have a toilet in your car like we did with the
• 34:35
  flip out toilet? He's like a pain in the van.
• 34:38
  So they arrive at these oceanfront homes at Oceanside
• 34:42
  and it is funny because the others like parking the blah
• 34:47
  blah blah, some reference to who's saying and what house,
• 34:49
  blah blah blah. I didn't care about any of that,
• 34:55
  garage. Because.
• 34:55
  She's like backing up and he's
• 34:58
  like stop. And it's like, Oh my God.
• 35:00
  He like yells so loud and it's
• 35:04
  thing that he didn't need to do.
• 35:06
  And I, I literally was like, yeah, that was an unnecessary
• 35:10
  one of his attention seeking yells.
• 35:13
  Yeah, Very strange. Just very Kody.
• 35:16
  Very Kody. Yeah.
• 35:17
  And I think next we're just in the houses talking about where
• 35:23
  And they let us know that Joe had floor plans printed out with
• 35:38
  I love a good planner. I love a person who would print
• 35:41
  a floor plan and assign rooms to that many people.
• 35:43
  I'm not mad about it. I think in a situation like
• 35:46
  this, you have to treat it like you're running a summer camp.
• 35:50
  And I don't know why the Browns don't do this.
• 35:54
  I don't know why Janelle doesn't do this.
• 35:56
  I think because there's this facade that she's organized, but
• 36:05
  she's been yelled at before for doing it.
• 36:08
  So I think everyone's a little like, we don't want to make the
• 36:12
  decision, but we want someone do, and then no one does.
• 36:15
  So they go back and forth and back and forth until they're all
• 36:20
  And then that's just where they're sleeping for the night.
• 36:23
  Whereas Joe had the entire home
• 36:25
  layout up and was assigning spots for everyone pass out.
• 36:29
  Smart man. Here's your designated pass out
• 36:31
  spot. Yes.
• 36:33
  We don't drink, but you can hold
• 36:36
  dizzy until you feel like you're drunk and then pass out.
• 36:39
  That sounds nice. All the wives are talking about
• 36:42
  the efficiency. There's several references to
• 36:45
  how it must be nice. And how old is Matt?
• 36:48
  It's like, right. Yeah.
• 36:49
  Like, once again, just make a plan.
• 36:51
  I mean, there is something about
• 36:55
  struggles, different things that
• 36:57
  years, where it does seem like
• 37:01
  decisions, but it's terrible at it.
• 37:05
  And none of the wives want to step up because they're being
• 37:07
  sensitive to each other. They they've been beat.
• 37:10
  I got to say, stop saying in this episode they have been put
• 37:14
  in their place too many times.
• 37:17
  probably amongst each other. And so, yeah, I don't know.
• 37:22
  It's just weird that they have
• 37:25
  the way that Joe does things, but then none of them do it.
• 37:28
  And Kody does even make a joke
• 37:30
  that makes the decisions in his family.
• 37:33
  And I, I'm not the one that makes the decisions in this
• 37:35
  family. My wives do.
• 37:36
  And it's like nobody's making decisions.
• 37:39
  Yeah, Joe leads and people listen, Kody says.
• 37:43
  And then he says that all of his
• 37:48
  opinion, and then it like goes off the rails from there.
• 37:53
  I have to say with the way that Joe leads his family, I would
• 37:58
  liken it to like, if let's say
• 38:01
  rafting and you have a guide and
• 38:06
  what we're going to do to stay
• 38:08
  And I'm going to get you through
• 38:10
  And when I say put yours here,
• 38:12
  And you know, and he was like leading, leading the trail.
• 38:16
  You felt safe. Whitewater rafting can be
• 38:18
  dangerous. Now, if that same guide was like
• 38:23
  wavering on every decision and
• 38:26
  What do you guys want to do? Do you feel safe doing this?
• 38:29
  Because if you do, I guess we'll
• 38:31
  And if you don't, then we won't.
• 38:33
  You would feel so unsafe and everyone would feel frantic all
• 38:36
  the time and the kids would start feeling frantic and it
• 38:40
  trickles down throughout the entire family.
• 38:42
  And you've got Joe, who is like being a leader and stepping up
• 38:50
  decision. And then you've got this
• 38:54
  wavering leader who's like leading the Boy Scouts.
• 38:56
  It's like you got an arm like a head of an army and a Boy Scout
• 39:01
  leader. And it's just you're comparing.
• 39:04
  Apples.
• 39:04
  And that's quite a compliment for Kody.
• 39:06
  I don't think that he could even
• 39:08
  Probably not. They just keep comparing the the
• 39:10
  husbands and the wives like over
• 39:14
  entire episode. And so that was my like visual
• 39:19
  as I was like seeing all of this.
• 39:20
  I also think that Joe doesn't come across as like a
• 39:25
  authoritarian to me or like there was some hinting of like,
• 39:29
  you know, he's and there's some references to it later, like,
• 39:32
  you know, he's a pile driver, he's a whatever.
• 39:35
  But really it's like you just have to be in that kind of
• 39:37
  environment. Otherwise you're going to have
• 39:38
  fucking brown family chaos. Someone has to be taking the
• 39:41
  lead. And of the examples we saw, I
• 39:44
  didn't think he seemed out of line or too brash or anything.
• 39:48
  He was just literally trying to like, lead the family.
• 39:51
  I think it would have been really hard to hide if he had
• 39:55
  been like a shitty dad or like
• 40:01
  clothing. I think it would have been
• 40:03
  harder to hide because I, I honestly think that Kody's
• 40:06
  oldest brother was hiding some
• 40:10
  so guarded and quiet. And this guy is like, no, I just
• 40:15
  know who I am. I know how I lead my family and
• 40:17
  this is how we do things and we plan ahead.
• 40:20
  Then we don't have the chaos. And I think that all of the
• 40:25
  wives and the Brown family were kind of just blown away by that
• 40:28
  and just couldn't even fathom it.
• 40:29
  And dare I say they were turned on by it?
• 40:34
  I don't know, they maybe we're
• 40:39
  I was going to say, there's so
• 40:41
  they were near the ocean. It was damp, it was moist.
• 40:46
  Someone got spritzed in the face
• 40:50
  Even his kids, like we'll get to
• 40:54
  the fact that no, like dad's in charge and like we all know it,
• 40:59
  but not in a way where it was like he was scared and felt like
• 41:02
  he had to protect his family or like hide something.
• 41:07
  And I know you can't tell all of
• 41:12
  but that's true. Frankly, I truly think they were
• 41:17
  being very upfront and honest about who they were.
• 41:20
  So the families go out on their first adventure, which is so
• 41:23
  exciting. They're going to go to the
• 41:25
  beach. And it was hard for me to know
• 41:28
  where they were going because I feel like at one point there
• 41:32
  was some Carlsbad Lagoon was said.
• 41:34
  And then you said some sort of other title.
• 41:38
  All I got was carls like carls rental place they.
• 41:41
  Were Carls? So it was Carlsbad, but then his
• 41:47
  So I'm like like a lot of businesses and one little shack.
• 41:52
  Yeah. They were going to get paddle
• 41:54
  boards and surfboards, water accoutrement to have some fun on
• 41:58
  the coast with the like tide coming in and the sun in the
• 42:02
  sky. The owner was a douche bag.
• 42:05
  Oh my. God, Carl.
• 42:07
  Carl. Was it Carl or when did you just
• 42:10
  hear the first part of Carls bad?
• 42:12
  I'm just calling him Carl because it's Carls rental place.
• 42:15
  Yeah, OK, I did not catch his name and it's let's go Carl.
• 42:18
  Carl is a douche bag for sure.
• 42:23
  And then he says some sexist joke about too many chicks.
• 42:28
  I got enough chicks in my life, yeah.
• 42:30
  He's got a female dog and a daughter.
• 42:33
  He's like a chick magnet or something.
• 42:35
  It's like, yeah, like as he was talking, my penis literally
• 42:38
  fell off my body. It was disturbing.
• 42:42
  I mean, that's all I can say about it.
• 42:44
  He was like gross, and he thought he was.
• 42:46
  I don't know if he thought he was being funny or if he was
• 42:48
  high, but it was like, OK dude.
• 42:50
  Yeah, if he was high, it was a waste of a high because he was
• 42:54
  Ridiculous. Some sexist joke shit and then
• 43:02
  how some of the kids could date each other from each of the
• 43:05
  families. And Christine, make sure to
• 43:06
  clarify, you know, their family dating our family.
• 43:08
  Like, OK, once again we're avoiding the incest.
• 43:14
  Say it out loud. Yeah, the darker kids could date
• 43:16
  the brown kids. Like thank you for the
• 43:18
  clarification. Yeah, Christine says that she
• 43:20
  wouldn't mind. And this is where they talk
• 43:25
  about how at least some of the
• 43:29
  of the darker boys, and Robyn has to pipe up and act like she
• 43:34
  fucking knows everything. And she claims that she heard
• 43:38
  two of the girls. They're girls saying that they
• 43:42
  should be sister wives with one of the Darger boys that they
• 43:47
  both apparently liked. Did you believe this story?
• 43:51
  No. It did not pass my bullshit
• 43:53
  meter, no. Which was so weird 'cause I was
• 43:54
  like this seems like so strange.
• 43:56
  The way she said it was exactly like one of my girlfriends in
• 44:00
  high school lying to her fucking parents.
• 44:01
  I kid you not. Wow, the inflection in her voice
• 44:09
  like, she is fucking lying. She's finding that she knows
• 44:12
  something here and she does not. It totally felt like she was
• 44:15
  just making it up on the spot and then was like, I'm
• 44:17
  committing myself to the bit and it's like, well, why did you
• 44:20
  even do this well? They tell me everything, Chris.
• 44:22
  I'm the cool mom.
• 44:23
  I'm the young mom. And these young girls, they come
• 44:26
  to me with everything. And you guys didn't hear that?
• 44:30
  Oh, well, I did. Shut the fuck up, you liar.
• 44:34
  She's such a bitch. She is because do you think
• 44:36
  these innocent girlies, they're girls that are too like,
• 44:41
  embarrassed to probably talk about a lot of this shit, are
• 44:44
  saying that like nonchalantly like gossiping in front of Robyn
• 44:49
  about marrying the same boy? Get the fuck out of here.
• 44:54
  My gut is telling me that at the
• 44:58
  of kids checking each other out.
• 45:00
  You're giving some eyes looking at each other.
• 45:03
  I think that's probably true. Innocently.
• 45:05
  Like, yeah. Like, I'm a teenage girl and
• 45:08
  there's a teenage boy and I'm going to watch him, you know,
• 45:10
  like, take pick that surfboard up and be like, he's got arms,
• 45:15
  Oh, Robyn has to ruin everything.
• 45:17
  Well, because another thing that they point out too, and this is
• 45:21
  a little later on, is about how the Darger family works out
• 45:25
  together every day and the Brown family.
• 45:29
  Claims that they do. They're a little soft, yeah.
• 45:33
  They're a little like me before the Ozempic.
• 45:37
  I mean, before all of my exercise, when I was going to
• 45:44
  start the polygamous playground or whatever, their gym was going
• 45:51
  before my 50 sessions of sculpture.
• 45:55
  Fat freezing. Yeah, cool sculpture.
• 45:58
  Cool sculptures. Yes, yes.
• 46:00
  I mean, we'd we're all natural working out every day.
• 46:03
  And you know, I think I'm a little more like Janelle
• 46:07
  genetically than Vicki. Slash Alina slash Val.
• 46:10
  Oh my God, For those third names, I hope back at the beach
• 46:16
  house or back at the beach homes.
• 46:20
  I don't know. We're at somebody's beach house
• 46:23
  out in the back, enjoying the lovely view of the beach, the
• 46:27
  sunset, the waves crashing against the shore.
• 46:29
  Well, we didn't get to enjoy any of that, but the Browns might
• 46:32
  have. Instead, we are sitting around a
• 46:39
  call it, having a chat. Kody's asked about why they came
• 46:47
  because I have never done so myself.
• 46:50
  I'm in the closet and I really like to hear people's stories
• 46:55
  about coming out and being who they really are publicly.
• 46:59
  Theirs is a touching one. I didn't really care about the
• 47:06
  before. So I don't really care.
• 47:07
  Like he just went through his bullet list of like, oh, we did
• 47:09
  it because of this. And, you know, there were so
• 47:12
  many people that thought that the bad guys were the good guys
• 47:14
  and the good guys were the bad guys.
• 47:15
  And I was here to set the record straight.
• 47:17
  And it's like, cut to you are a terrible example of what a
• 47:21
  polygamist man is. Not that there's good examples,
• 47:24
  I don't know. Yada yada yada, wrong
• 47:26
  representation, yada yada yada. We didn't want that anymore,
• 47:29
  yada yada. Exactly, exactly.
• 47:31
  This is where Vicki shares an example of how polygamy and
• 47:36
  people's perceptions of polygamy has negatively affected her and
• 47:40
  their family when talking about losing a 5 month old baby.
• 47:44
  I think it's Val that lost the baby.
• 47:48
  See once again. And I am like, I do really truly
• 48:00
  And so I, I am sorry if we were wrong about this.
• 48:05
  We were trying to get it right but they weren't putting the
• 48:08
  names up anymore. When I love why?
• 48:09
  You're apologizing because I'm like, I'm so not apologetic.
• 48:11
  These people like, I don't know who it was.
• 48:13
  Let's. Go with one of them, but I'm
• 48:15
  going to just say like, it's a, it's a hard story to talk about.
• 48:20
  we, I hope that we have the person right, because it's a
• 48:23
  it's a rough story. And this is.
• 48:25
  I can't even imagine going through this.
• 48:27
  Yeah, and you're giving whoever shared this story the respect.
• 48:31
  I think it was Val. It was the tall skinny one with
• 48:35
  the snot, the beak. Beaker.
• 48:37
  Meet me. OK honey, now tell us about this
• 48:40
  story and why you want to give
• 48:42
  Well, Val had a 5 month old baby, I said.
• 48:47
  Whoever she was, whichever 1 shared the story, you want to
• 48:51
  give her the props and respect
• 48:54
  Val had a 5 month old baby that died and passed away in their
• 48:58
  home. And of course, whenever a baby
• 49:02
  passes away in your home especially, they have an
• 49:04
  investigation that they open. They just want to get to the
• 49:08
  bottom of it, you know, whether it's SIDS, something else, you
• 49:11
  know, and since they're a polygamist family, that
• 49:15
  investigation got pretty rough.
• 49:17
  They were asking invasive questions about the doctor that
• 49:22
  she saw and asking if the doctor was a polygamist and if
• 49:27
  she knew that, and kind of questions that they wouldn't ask
• 49:31
  a family if they didn't know they were polygamists.
• 49:34
  And I don't know if those questions really are pertinent
• 49:40
  away. It doesn't matter if they're a
• 49:46
  Like, probably not, unless you're truly living on the
• 49:51
  compound, which we all know about.
• 49:54
  And their nurses would hide things a lot, particularly
• 49:58
  babies that passed away. But these people are not living
• 50:03
  on a compound. They actually were seeking
• 50:05
  medical attention. So it's a different scenario.
• 50:08
  And to lose a baby at five months old as a mother would be
• 50:16
  scarring enough and truly fucking awful.
• 50:19
  But then to have an investigation into your family
• 50:26
  I can't even imagine what that woman went through, and I'm sure
• 50:36
  And yeah. For the investigation to be
• 50:39
  heavy on the polygamous parts of their lifestyle adds this other
• 50:44
  layer because yes, when a young child dies, there is usually an
• 50:51
  investigation and that is traumatic on top of the
• 50:55
  experience you've already had. So to add this extra layer,
• 51:00
  yeah, it didn't. You know, we also don't get a
• 51:04
  lot of details. So, you know, she's does mention
• 51:12
  issues. So, you know, questioning about
• 51:15
  the child care being given to a child like that does make sense
• 51:20
  on a logical level. But that would really suck to
• 51:23
  have your lifestyle questioned along with it.
• 51:25
  That would be terrible. And the only reason I can
• 51:27
  picture it being a factor is if you didn't believe in giving
• 51:31
  medical attention. And is that neglect then?
• 51:34
  But these, I don't even want to say, these people, the Dargers
• 51:44
  intervention from what I could tell.
• 51:46
  Now, that doesn't mean that they're not.
• 51:48
  I don't know. But then we get Vicki, which is
• 51:53
  Val's sister, who tells a story about how, you know, they were
• 52:08
  it. And she words it very oddly.
• 52:11
  She says, my mom's dad, not like
• 52:17
  So this whole story is a little vague and like round Robyn.
• 52:25
  We get a lot of round Robyn in
• 52:28
  But. Not square Robyn, round Robyn.
• 52:30
  This one is, it's confusing, and
• 52:38
  some, you know, like sensitivities.
• 52:41
  So yeah, it was intentional. It was very intense.
• 52:44
  The way she stated it seemed intentional.
• 52:46
  So hard to know why it was stated that way.
• 52:50
  Yeah, and we even did go back and watch it like 3 times.
• 52:54
  Not kidding because we were confused and I thought I heard
• 52:58
  one thing. Chris thought he heard one
• 52:59
  thing. So we.
• 53:01
  Went back, I didn't know who was
• 53:03
  Well, right. And I'm like, oh, the tall,
• 53:06
  gangly Big Bird. And then we've got the Grover as
• 53:10
  the twin drover and Big Bird. And then we've got Abby Mcgabby
• 53:15
  Dabby. But she was.
• 53:17
  Was she the one you wanted to show to respect to a minute ago?
• 53:20
  Or was. The Dwell.
• 53:23
  I love when you're talking about
• 53:25
  show. Oh, and I don't mean their show,
• 53:28
  I mean our show. Like, this is funny.
• 53:30
  Oh my God. I'm trying to think of what
• 53:31
  people would have called me when
• 53:35
  they would probably call me now.
• 53:36
  And This is why I have a fear of caricatures.
• 53:39
  So wow. Which is how my husband proposed
• 53:44
  Yes, which is why it was such a shock.
• 53:45
  And you know, he got me. There.
• 53:48
  He really surprised me with that.
• 53:50
  One of what? You looked like as a cartoon
• 53:52
  character. It's like one of my biggest
• 53:54
  fears, like caricatures are like, I'm so sorry, but they're
• 53:57
  fucking hideous every time. So.
• 53:58
  Mind have always been very attractive.
• 54:01
  Oh. OK, just kidding?
• 54:06
  Janelle asks. Has US going public helped in
• 54:10
  any way? And then Joe goes on some
• 54:14
  diatribe, some speech or whatever.
• 54:16
  It shouldn't say it like that. He just says something on the
• 54:19
  lines of, I get frustrated over how much more needs to happen,
• 54:29
  live in the shadows? Is it just because of ostracism,
• 54:36
  shadows? Historically there are so many
• 54:38
  reasons, but I think like in today's society with like
• 54:43
  polyamory, polyamory is kind of a quasi accepted thing.
• 54:51
  So I think if this would come out nowadays, people wouldn't be
• 54:56
  as shocked. Yeah, well, in many ways, thanks
• 54:58
  to the Browns. They were revolutionaries,
• 55:00
  right? They opened our eyes and our
• 55:02
  ears and our legs to many people.
• 55:04
  Duh. Like what am I talking about?
• 55:05
  Like, of course it's because of them.
• 55:07
  Jesus, Kimberly. Janelle was really just fishing
• 55:09
  for a compliment. I mean, of course she was.
• 55:12
  That bitch. Yeah.
• 55:14
  I mean, he, like Joe, basically says that he feels like going
• 55:17
  public has to happen in order to
• 55:21
  the fact that there are different polygamous sects and
• 55:26
  they all have different beliefs and.
• 55:30
  Which of course, allows the show
• 55:33
  talk about how they are not the stereotype that everyone has of
• 55:37
  polygamists. He is not at all some evil.
• 55:40
  I was going to say shrew, harpy,
• 55:45
  that someone told us in a comment about what the actual
• 55:48
  terms are that we were trying.
• 55:50
  And I totally got that wrong. And I, you know, as soon as I
• 55:53
  read that comment, I was like,
• 55:56
  bitch. Like you dumb bitch, I can't
• 55:59
  believe you got Siren and Harpy mixed up like.
• 56:03
  Well, I love because I was just like, yeah, Harpy.
• 56:05
  Like one of those women that just won't shut up.
• 56:06
  And like create code is my God.
• 56:08
  Version of that, whatever that. Is I actually was kicking myself
• 56:13
  know, and this is the stuff that drives me nuts.
• 56:15
  Like when you get called out for stuff like that and you're like,
• 56:25
  Even layering on the shame. So you should be even more
• 56:29
  ashamed than those deep, dark, dank, polygamous.
• 56:32
  I should be living in sin now. I believe it's when we're going
• 56:37
  to transition to the discussion of the working out and the belt.
• 56:43
  like the family that just works out like.
• 56:46
  Those dumbbell. Dargers.
• 56:48
  Dumbbell Dargers. Oh my gosh, not the dumbbell
• 56:51
  Dargers. Sorry, Dargers.
• 56:55
  Whatever your names are. That's so bad.
• 57:00
  But you know, Christine of course has to say, oh, we all
• 57:03
  know the Dargers work out every day and they have this
• 57:06
  discussion about them working out.
• 57:08
  They're an inspiration, darling.
• 57:09
  There is. I literally tuned this out
• 57:12
  because I was like I cannot listen to the Browns talking
• 57:14
  about working out anymore. Like I just am like I don't give
• 57:20
  that Janelle actually looks really good on the couch right
• 57:28
  And then Janelle is next to him for once, and Christina's on the
• 57:38
  wearing a red like button up top and she looks like she's lost
• 57:43
  weight here. Like she actually looked really
• 57:46
  good. And I made little asterisks next
• 57:59
  deserve some justice. Yes, for that they did her real
• 58:03
  fucking dirty over and over again.
• 58:05
  Always. They do her dirty all the time.
• 58:07
  Part of me feels like just do
• 58:09
  the producers like not like her,
• 58:12
  the case. It's just when you, you know,
• 58:14
  you're at the end of the couch, you're at the widest part of
• 58:16
  the lens and it's just so unhelpful.
• 58:18
  I think that she's just like an afterthought because she's so
• 58:22
  like, amenable. Like she is that amenable.
• 58:25
  Amenable. Whatever that word is.
• 58:27
  She goes along with whatever and she's just willing to take like
• 58:31
  the butt end of the bread every time.
• 58:34
  That's what I call. It the butt end of the bread.
• 58:37
  The butt end of the bread like it let's say the whole family
• 58:39
  gets toast and it gets to the last piece and she's like I'll
• 58:45
  more bread. Yeah.
• 58:46
  And that just goes into, like, a lot about her past and how she
• 58:57
  And they do her dirty on the couch.
• 59:00
  And I don't think it even has to do with the producers.
• 59:02
  I think it just has to do with the wives probably, like sitting
• 59:07
  And then she just, like, lollygags on in and sits there.
• 59:10
  Yeah.
• 59:11
  I think the truth lies in the middle in the sense that there
• 59:15
  is some reason that this show doesn't give her a flattering
• 59:19
  light, very regular at all. And maybe it is because of just
• 59:22
  who she is and how she operates.
• 59:24
  But it almost feels like at times where it's like, how is
• 59:27
  this even the case? Like no one.
• 59:29
  I mean, other than they don't I guess They all look terrible.
• 59:32
  I don't know. I don't know what to say.
• 59:34
  Now. I have another thing that I
• 59:36
  would like to bring up here because we go to the Dargers on
• 59:43
  the couch and I, I'm curious. So we go back and forth between
• 59:48
  the Browns and the Dargers talking about jealousy issues
• 59:52
  and how they handle it. And this is an ongoing theme, of
• 1:00:00
  relationship. But I noticed, and you noticed,
• 1:00:04
  that the two first wives of the Dargers look more alike than the
• 1:00:14
  you take on other people's traits, which is why they'll say
• 1:00:21
  They whatever, you know, people that you're around, you take on
• 1:00:24
  their mannerisms. Now the twin sister was in a
• 1:00:28
  marriage for 11 years out God knows where with.
• 1:00:31
  With God knows who. This person and God knows how
• 1:00:35
  many other wives and whatever. Yeah.
• 1:00:37
  And then you've got these two first wives that this is like
• 1:00:41
  their first ever relationship. Let's be honest.
• 1:00:44
  Dating in courting is for the purpose of getting married.
• 1:00:48
  So they've never been in a relationship other than with Joe
• 1:00:53
  And they look a lot alike. They've obviously taken on each
• 1:00:58
  other's traits. Their hair looks alike, the way
• 1:01:00
  they style themselves as a like and not in the sense that other
• 1:01:06
  polygamists like other Mormons do.
• 1:01:08
  The bouffant, the Prairie look. Yeah.
• 1:01:11
  Yeah. Not the Prairie look.
• 1:01:13
  Not on purpose. This is like a slow morphing
• 1:01:18
  taking on traits thing. 100 That's why I thought they were
• 1:01:24
  And you're right, I don't know what that term is.
• 1:01:27
  If you know what it is, let us know.
• 1:01:29
  But there is a term for that. It's like this osmosis of
• 1:01:32
  someone's, you know, vibes, their nests, their looks, this
• 1:01:38
  I noticed it a lot after you pointed it out because to me at
• 1:01:43
  first I didn't notice that OK. And I noticed angles where the
• 1:01:52
  And I don't want to bring it
• 1:01:54
  back to the noses but like let's
• 1:01:57
  noses and jaws and I set and whatever the wife that is not
• 1:02:01
  the sister has the ski jump nose.
• 1:02:04
  But you're right, the two first wives look like they could be.
• 1:02:12
  And this conversation is where the Dargers start talking about
• 1:02:16
  this showing affection. Open it late, openly, openly.
• 1:02:19
  Like in front of each other. And how they are comfortable
• 1:02:24
  with doing that. And you know, they kind of give
• 1:02:27
  some bullet points. I don't know that any of them
• 1:02:30
  have significance like. How does that take anything away
• 1:02:35
  divided. Like, yeah, how does that take
• 1:02:42
  makes sense. I'm way too jealous and
• 1:02:44
  emotionally based of a person to be in that situation.
• 1:02:47
  Like I would totally be fucked in the brain.
• 1:02:49
  I don't know if I could do that in my marriage but they are able
• 1:02:56
  their Yum but. I know I always default to like
• 1:02:59
  too broad where I think of ensembles and like a good star
• 1:03:05
  Yes, yes. That's not the same as a
• 1:03:08
  romantic relationship, but there is an element of that.
• 1:03:10
  Yeah, I mean knowing where each other one each of the other
• 1:03:14
  wives like can shine and where you take a step back would be Oh
• 1:03:23
  would learn that. I just feel like this other
• 1:03:25
  family like has it so dialed in and God, you cannot tell that
• 1:03:29
  from one episode and I know that.
• 1:03:32
  They do seem so much more well functioned in our introduction
• 1:03:37
  like, I would watch a show about these guys.
• 1:03:40
  Like they seem like very interesting people and maybe
• 1:03:44
  they're actually boring because they have it so dialed in and
• 1:03:48
  that's why they I don't know. That's why we don't know their
• 1:03:51
  The Browns. Well, definitely Chris doesn't
• 1:03:58
  like you were referencing with the topics between the Dargers
• 1:04:04
  And at one point in this kind of back and forth, Meri has a
• 1:04:08
  moment on the couch where she says that they have a lot of
• 1:04:11
  things to deal with in their relationships and that they
• 1:04:14
  would do that without adding the level of jealousy by sharing
• 1:04:18
  affection with each other in front of each other.
• 1:04:20
  And it's like, well. But like, that's a load of
• 1:04:23
  fucking bullshit. You guys talk all the time about
• 1:04:32
  because that's crossing a boundary.
• 1:04:33
  And they're just so full of their own bullshit all the time.
• 1:04:39
  do and they just don't have. Well, and even what would that
• 1:04:43
  be like? Oh honey, it's Thanksgiving
• 1:04:45
  dinner, let's fuck on the table.
• 1:04:47
  Oh, but no, there's other people around.
• 1:04:49
  Like this stuff doesn't even happen.
• 1:04:50
  And like regular relationships, you're not exactly like
• 1:04:53
  exhibiting a whole bunch of affection in certain ways.
• 1:04:57
  Like, of course there's like honeymoon phases and whatever in
• 1:05:02
  their day aren't just like making out with their spouse in
• 1:05:04
  front of everybody. Like that's not exactly typical.
• 1:05:07
  And I feel like giving like a pack in front of family or like
• 1:05:10
  holding hands or putting your arms around each other is like
• 1:05:14
  pretty common. And I think that that's what
• 1:05:18
  they do. And you can tell when the Browns
• 1:05:20
  do it, that they are uncomfortable sometimes.
• 1:05:22
  Like the Valentine's episode, for instance, Kody was showing
• 1:05:25
  way more affection to Robyn. And I think we even pointed that
• 1:05:28
  out. And that was an odd instance.
• 1:05:32
  And I think that we noticed it
• 1:05:35
  instance for them to do that. And it's because they're not
• 1:05:40
  actually around each other as much as we would like to fucking
• 1:05:44
  think. That and they don't share things
• 1:05:46
  with each other. And this other family they're.
• 1:05:48
  With each other all the time. They're with each other all the
• 1:05:50
  time and they share way more together.
• 1:05:52
  So they have to be around each
• 1:05:56
  connection or like a pack or a
• 1:06:01
  And even with my own sister, I'll be like, you know, put my
• 1:06:06
  arm around her or like, pull her
• 1:06:10
  And so to not have that regularly and be married as a
• 1:06:16
  family, it just would be so bizarre.
• 1:06:19
  Very weird. I would never be able to do what
• 1:06:21
  the Browns claim that they can
• 1:06:23
  They don't. Because I kind of think that my
• 1:06:27
  love language is actually physical touch.
• 1:06:29
  Like I'm always kind of doing that with people and not in a
• 1:06:33
  romantic sense, just in a like I
• 1:06:36
  someone a hug. I like to embrace people.
• 1:06:38
  I like to touch an arm. Like I'm all about that shit.
• 1:06:40
  And if I wasn't able to do, if I
• 1:06:43
  about not doing that, I would change fundamentally as a
• 1:06:47
  person, like not in a good way.
• 1:06:49
  Like I would be uncomfortable all the time.
• 1:06:51
  I mean, we even like, we'll give hugs and like kisses on cheeks
• 1:06:57
  twice about it. When it if it happens in front
• 1:07:04
  I wouldn't. I don't know, but they, I think,
• 1:07:12
  that and being like. He doesn't touch me.
• 1:07:15
  I imagine it being a jealousy thing because they're pitted
• 1:07:19
  against each other because Kody has no backbone and he's a slug.
• 1:07:26
  fabulous episode, the kids are
• 1:07:30
  shakes. Oh, they're walking along the
• 1:07:32
  shore. And I noticed when they get to
• 1:07:34
  their destination, it's called
• 1:07:40
  And I'm like, yes, the Cruisin
• 1:07:43
  get a shake on the beach. I love that you caught that.
• 1:07:46
  I was like, the kids go to a malt shop and there ain't poodle
• 1:07:51
  skirt. Cruisin Cafe 101 and their
• 1:07:54
  poodle skirts. And they have socks with little
• 1:07:57
  ruffles and their little white
• 1:08:00
  And we're back in Greece. Yeah, they say the boys hair is
• 1:08:03
  all greased to the side. They've got the little Combs in
• 1:08:05
  their pockets. Just kidding.
• 1:08:08
  There's just a lot of bad clothes and acne because it's
• 1:08:10
  teenagers going to Cruisin Cafe 101.
• 1:08:15
  It's really, I, I feel like when
• 1:08:17
  the kids. But then when we get inside,
• 1:08:19
  it's really just the older kids sitting around a table.
• 1:08:22
  And they might have, you know,
• 1:08:24
  scene, but the older kids from
• 1:08:28
  this large table in the corner
• 1:08:30
  There's more older Darger kids
• 1:08:34
  Maddie points out to the Dargers
• 1:08:38
  as family. Oh my God.
• 1:08:40
  Like, yeah. In comparison.
• 1:08:42
  They talk a little bit about plural marriage and if anyone
• 1:08:46
  from each family is interested
• 1:08:48
  And Caleb Darger says that he does not want plural marriage
• 1:08:52
  and he knows that they kind of
• 1:08:57
  that down. Did you know anything from like
• 1:09:00
  either side about that? I didn't really care too much
• 1:09:03
  about the details of what they
• 1:09:05
  For some reason, I felt like it was a bit filler.
• 1:09:08
  The Darger boys, you know, before we get this lovely quote
• 1:09:11
  from Caleb, which is one of my
• 1:09:14
  have to admit, the Darger boys
• 1:09:18
  some repeated comments about how
• 1:09:23
  charge kind of guy. And that's another thing
• 1:09:25
  throughout this episode where they're kind of doing this
• 1:09:29
  display of like Kody and his kids versus Joe and his kids.
• 1:09:33
  And I noticed a lot of the kids totally look not inbred.
• 1:09:40
  And so take that for what it's
• 1:09:43
  And Caleb has this lovely quote when he's talking about his
• 1:09:46
  father, Joe Joseph, the patriarch of the Darger family,
• 1:09:50
  and he refers to his dad as big,
• 1:09:56
  Yeah. And I'm like, yes, being bald
• 1:09:58
  and intimidating. And it does fit.
• 1:10:02
  I think intimidating is a teenager, you know, taking that
• 1:10:06
  from their dad and their life experience.
• 1:10:08
  He does like I can see it. He has some serious eyes like I
• 1:10:13
  can. He has, I guess, like that
• 1:10:15
  serious look. He's big and bald and I would be
• 1:10:18
  like, if he was coming at me being like, listen, I'd be like,
• 1:10:21
  oh, I am intimidated. So I guess daddy.
• 1:10:24
  Yeah, like totally, Dad, whatever you have to say, tell
• 1:10:26
  me what to do. So I don't know.
• 1:10:28
  I kind of felt like the scene was a bit throw away.
• 1:10:30
  I don't know that I learned anything other than that Joe is
• 1:10:33
  big, bald, and intimidating. The darker moms are a good team
• 1:10:38
  is what I took away from it, and
• 1:10:41
  everything, whereas Logan says
• 1:10:47
  mom for different areas of expertise and Caleb says that
• 1:10:53
  Joe is an encyclopedia basically
• 1:10:58
  answers. That's right.
• 1:10:59
  And then Maddie says our house
• 1:11:02
  Yeah, affirming what we know. Telling us what we know.
• 1:11:05
  They show the little brother with the large forehead a few
• 1:11:08
  times like smiling and giggling along like Beavis and Butthead
• 1:11:11
  style but. Not in bread.
• 1:11:14
  But Caleb is giving the answers,
• 1:11:18
  rehearsed. I don't think it's rehearsed.
• 1:11:19
  I think that it's just organic
• 1:11:24
  he's giving the answer is just
• 1:11:28
  I think as he gets older he might realize that he's a little
• 1:11:31
  big, bald and intimidating. I think so.
• 1:11:34
  He might have a little of his daddy inside of him.
• 1:11:36
  I think so. Although I ironically don't
• 1:11:38
  think that's actually his bio dad, I think.
• 1:11:39
  No, I don't think it is. The bottom third saying that it
• 1:11:42
  was like from the previous marriage.
• 1:11:44
  Yeah, Yeah. I think that that's one of
• 1:11:46
  Val's, like older your sons from
• 1:11:49
  got to say the vibe that I got was that she is like, she was
• 1:11:54
  kind of scared to like, maybe leave that marriage, which is
• 1:11:57
  why it took a while. And she maybe didn't know if
• 1:12:00
  she'd be able to, like, take her
• 1:12:03
  And sure, it kind of speaks that
• 1:12:10
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. When we leave Cruising Cafe One
• 1:12:14
  O 1, which you know happens to
• 1:12:18
  can cruise there to that cafe.
• 1:12:22
  bathroom. Well, this is it.
• 1:12:23
  Like the adults are walking along the beach.
• 1:12:27
  In our next scene, they're going
• 1:12:30
  Dini Apostrophe S Bistro. Dini's Bistro, I wish we got a
• 1:12:35
  little bit more of the interior because I'm like, what was this
• 1:12:37
  place really like? But unfortunately, we just got
• 1:12:40
  all the adults around the table for a while talking now.
• 1:12:43
  I don't know if I should say, unfortunately, I guess that's
• 1:12:45
  why we're watching this show. But the Browns talk about the
• 1:12:49
  challenges of living in separate
• 1:12:52
  Vegas. Christine says they had to do a
• 1:12:55
  reset. And I was surprised that she
• 1:12:57
  knew the word reset. Yeah, Joe is wondering, like,
• 1:13:01
  did you envision this? Did you expect 4 separate homes?
• 1:13:07
  Like he is kind of surprised by it and was this an accident?
• 1:13:13
  He doesn't get it. And now Kody talks about some
• 1:13:16
  things that none of us will get.
• 1:13:17
  Oh. My God.
• 1:13:19
  Kody fucking Brown. He says that when they were
• 1:13:23
  moving to Vegas, he was thinking they'd find a short sale from a
• 1:13:27
  rich person. Some millionaire would have lost
• 1:13:32
  would have gone into short sale on their home, you know,
• 1:13:37
  10152030 foot, 50,000 square feet.
• 1:13:39
  He just throws out some numbers and a house that would maybe
• 1:13:43
  have like 4 kitchens and 25 bedrooms.
• 1:13:46
  And I'm staring at the TV going. He's being sarcastic, right?
• 1:13:51
  Like he's being silly. He's making this up.
• 1:13:53
  I don't think he was. I think he was being serious
• 1:13:56
  like an idiot. I was going WTF?
• 1:13:59
  No, like what were they going to get like the Bunny Ranch, like
• 1:14:06
  Like what was that show that used to be on with the like?
• 1:14:08
  About the brothel. About the brothel, like what did
• 1:14:14
  That's two separate. See this is the thing like I
• 1:14:16
  don't. The kitchen would be larger.
• 1:14:19
  They have a commercial kitchen. Everyone has their own space.
• 1:14:22
  Hey, maybe they should have got a motel, but instead they found
• 1:14:25
  that the big homes in Vegas had like 5 bedrooms and one kitchen
• 1:14:31
  because they were standard homes and not defaults.
• 1:14:36
  In short sales for multimillionaires with four
• 1:14:39
  kitchens. I'm like, I don't know, I've
• 1:14:41
  been in some pretty big homes and you might have a a kitchen
• 1:14:48
  kitchenette in your basement. You got some things.
• 1:14:51
  No home has four kitchens. Like I shouldn't say no home.
• 1:14:56
  The the compound in Lehigh had three, so I don't.
• 1:14:59
  Maybe he's just that like, dumb that he thinks that that's
• 1:15:02
  common. Yeah, I.
• 1:15:03
  I don't get what he thought here.
• 1:15:06
  Like a condo situation perhaps? I have no idea.
• 1:15:11
  It just made him sound really, really stupid and I was waiting
• 1:15:14
  for the moment where he was going to laugh or make it clear
• 1:15:17
  that he was joking and. Yeah, he did not.
• 1:15:20
  He was not joking. It was very bizarre.
• 1:15:22
  Doesn't know anything. And the darker women, the darker
• 1:15:28
  you got to try the one kitchen again.
• 1:15:30
  You know, eventually you'll get it and it'll be smooth sailing.
• 1:15:36
  Yeah, No, not for the Browns. Definitely not.
• 1:15:39
  Yeah. And then Meri says, well, how do
• 1:15:42
  you handle like when Ichigo wants to decorate differently?
• 1:15:45
  Yeah. And then one of the darker wives
• 1:15:48
  is like, is how you want to decorate worth separating your
• 1:15:53
  kids over and how you raise your
• 1:15:56
  Right. And she kind of says it like
• 1:15:59
  that. Like, are, is this a joke?
• 1:16:01
  Like, are you really asking me
• 1:16:02
  Like being in a plural marriage is about compromise, and the
• 1:16:07
  Dargers talk about that again,
• 1:16:11
  Like, I can't believe you're bringing up, like how you're
• 1:16:14
  going to decorate your home versus how you're going to raise
• 1:16:17
  your children. Dun Dun, Dun.
• 1:16:20
  I know because I'm going like God I'd pick the decorating over
• 1:16:22
  the children, but I also don't
• 1:16:26
  is mouthing on that one. So Kody says that he wouldn't
• 1:16:29
  choose for them to share a kitchen again because of their
• 1:16:32
  differences. And he says I'm not being
• 1:16:35
  sexist, but the kitchen needs to
• 1:16:40
  Yes, they need to have ownership
• 1:16:46
  basically based on the past and then in front of the Dargers,
• 1:16:52
  Kody says. I have two wives who think
• 1:16:56
  sharing a kitchen can be abusive.
• 1:16:58
  OK, two wives. So he specifically says I have
• 1:17:06
  He doesn't even say like he's putting the blame on them.
• 1:17:11
  OK, Yeah. Right, who think it can be
• 1:17:14
  abusive Now he doesn't say it like that.
• 1:17:17
  He basically is like, scared. And he even says, like, I'm not
• 1:17:20
  going to let Joe push this idea on me.
• 1:17:23
  This is just not something that we're going to try again.
• 1:17:27
  And I think it's something that my family is still probably
• 1:17:30
  never going to get over. And then we go to the couch
• 1:17:35
  where the Browns are having their confessional.
• 1:17:37
  And Meri says that she takes that statement personally
• 1:17:41
  because she knows that Janelle thinks she abused her.
• 1:17:45
  Meri does start her statement by saying it makes me sad, Yeah,
• 1:17:49
  which I always have. I kind of have a hard time
• 1:17:52
  sometimes putting my thumb putting my finger on Meri's
• 1:17:55
  actual emotions because she'll say statements like it makes me
• 1:18:01
  sad and then cry about what she's talking about and I go
• 1:18:05
  like I don't know if she's really sad.
• 1:18:07
  I I have a hard time following it.
• 1:18:09
  It almost seems like maybe she just feels like she's getting
• 1:18:12
  called out on things. And she can't handle it and.
• 1:18:16
  She can't. I, I, I don't know.
• 1:18:17
  It's hard for me to navigate, but when she references, you
• 1:18:21
  know, the relationship at the beginning and she knows that
• 1:18:24
  Janelle thinks that she abused her, she's like, it was never my
• 1:18:31
  I'm sorry, Janelle. And it's like, well, she's
• 1:18:34
  literally is apologizing. She does apologize, and she says
• 1:18:43
  temper it. Yeah, and that Janelle didn't
• 1:18:45
  have that lot of a voice. And Janelle says that she didn't
• 1:19:03
  each other to feed his own ego. Wow, yeah.
• 1:19:06
  And I think that they're realizing it maybe for the first
• 1:19:13
  interviews. And I think it's super emotional
• 1:19:18
  realizing for the first time that Kody as the man of the
• 1:19:23
  house should have been the one based on their religion, based
• 1:19:34
  into this, right? Like everything's secretive,
• 1:19:37
  whatever, whatever. And then here you go.
• 1:19:39
  You're handed off to your husband who's supposed to know
• 1:19:44
  that's like a little pip squeak that doesn't step up.
• 1:19:47
  And they all just didn't know what to do.
• 1:19:51
  And I'm not saying that Kody bears all the responsibility and
• 1:19:56
  But then you go to a guy like Joe, who was probably in a
• 1:20:01
  similar situation, and yet it played out so differently.
• 1:20:06
  And I think that they're realizing for maybe like the
• 1:20:10
  first time. And it has been said in their
• 1:20:15
  original book and Christine's book.
• 1:20:17
  That they hadn't spoken openly until the couch interviews.
• 1:20:22
  Right. So I really truly think in real
• 1:20:26
  time we are seeing them realize Kody's faults.
• 1:20:31
  Yeah, not explicitly calling them out, just probably putting
• 1:20:37
  pieces together. Yeah, you're right.
• 1:20:39
  Christine references in her book and in Becoming Sister.
• 1:20:42
  Why? Well, talks about how.
• 1:20:44
  How hard it was? How?
• 1:20:46
  Hard it was to have these conversations because they
• 1:20:48
  didn't really have honest conversations.
• 1:20:50
  And then they have producers and directors prodding them, and
• 1:20:54
  Kody should have stepped up in that in some way.
• 1:20:58
  If he's supposed to be the goal. Between the the man of the
• 1:21:03
  house, whatever, you know, Meri was the first wife.
• 1:21:06
  So Joe married these two women at the same time.
• 1:21:10
  Meri did have the one up on being the first wife.
• 1:21:13
  And then Janelle came in and yeah, there's so many different
• 1:21:18
  dynamics happening here. But really, Kody does kind of
• 1:21:21
  make it seem like he has no part of it.
• 1:21:24
  No part of it, right? He's just these women against
• 1:21:27
  each other all the time. He's just the man.
• 1:21:30
  These women have issues. I'm going to step back.
• 1:21:32
  You guys make the decisions. He doesn't want to be the bad
• 1:21:35
  guy ever. Ever.
• 1:21:36
  No, no, no. He's going to let anyone else
• 1:21:38
  take the blame but him. And Meri was, you know, she
• 1:21:42
  probably was a bitch. She probably just said whatever
• 1:21:44
  was on her mind. And maybe if she didn't, even if
• 1:21:50
  rude, OK, well, that was her vibe.
• 1:21:53
  And she probably was allowed to get away with it because Kody
• 1:21:55
  didn't do anything. And then Janelle's like, why
• 1:21:58
  can't I have anything the way I want her?
• 1:22:00
  Why is everything that I do wrong, you know?
• 1:22:03
  And when you dig into like the
• 1:22:09
  plural marriage, historically,
• 1:22:14
  decisions and speaks for everybody.
• 1:22:19
  So if Meri really truly thought that that's what she was
• 1:22:23
  supposed to do, and if she was
• 1:22:27
  supposed to do, then she was doing it.
• 1:22:30
  And Janelle didn't come from that background.
• 1:22:32
  That's true. So she didn't know that like,
• 1:22:35
  oh, I'm going to be joining this
• 1:22:37
  And not only do I have to answer
• 1:22:40
  answer to Meri. And she's in charge of me as the
• 1:22:44
  first wife. So I think that there is bad
• 1:22:46
  communication on multiple levels.
• 1:22:50
  And when you look at what happened with Kody's father, he
• 1:22:58
  is in a plural marriage because of essentially cheating.
• 1:23:03
  And he put his wife, his first
• 1:23:07
  essentially cheating. And it's Polly under duress.
• 1:23:12
  But you know, the woman is subservient.
• 1:23:14
  So I had to step back and say,
• 1:23:18
  And yes, we're going to just change our religion and our
• 1:23:20
  outlook on life because the man says it's so.
• 1:23:24
  And so Kody is used to the women, like cowing to the man,
• 1:23:30
  but he doesn't know how to be the man.
• 1:23:33
  So like, how do you get these women to submit other than just
• 1:23:42
  plotting them against each other
• 1:23:45
  I'm curious about the elements
• 1:23:48
  So I totally agree with you about the Kody perspective or
• 1:23:52
  the Kody vibes. I think there's another thing
• 1:23:56
  too with them. I'm having flashbacks to the
• 1:24:01
  most recent season of Sister Wives where Janelle talks about
• 1:24:05
  like, shoving food down the sink
• 1:24:08
  piss Meri off. Janelle's not some like,
• 1:24:12
  delicate flower who was being stepped on by the big giant
• 1:24:15
  Meri. Like, I think Janelle let's the
• 1:24:19
  narrative play out the way it does because she doesn't look
• 1:24:22
  bad. Meri looks bad.
• 1:24:24
  Meri looks like the one who's the domineering harpy siren
• 1:24:27
  bitch. Everyone wants to.
• 1:24:29
  Everyone wants to get. Everyone wants to hate on Meri,
• 1:24:32
  but really I don't think definitely most of the onus has
• 1:24:37
  to come on Kody for not doing anything.
• 1:24:39
  Typical man, just to do that. But.
• 1:24:43
  If you're bringing women into this situation and you're
• 1:24:47
  supposed to be the head of the
• 1:24:49
  Yeah. This is why.
• 1:24:53
  Oh God, here she goes, girls. No, Oh my God, this is exactly
• 1:24:57
  why. It's like, all right, all of the
• 1:25:01
  wars, all of the like, I'm, I'm not even going to go into it,
• 1:25:06
  right. But like, Oh my God, men are so
• 1:25:10
  fucking stupid sometimes and they think they should be in
• 1:25:12
  charge and they can't handle it.
• 1:25:14
  Yeah, absolutely prime example of it.
• 1:25:16
  They can't even handle it in a situation like this, much less
• 1:25:21
  Yeah, yeah, he's. I digress.
• 1:25:23
  Run away and put his head in the sand and avoid it.
• 1:25:26
  And then if anything comes up, pit them against each other.
• 1:25:29
  Yeah, totally. Yeah, let me manipulate them
• 1:25:31
  into thinking that they're the ones that are wrong here.
• 1:25:33
  Oh. God, it's messy.
• 1:25:35
  It is, and they're realizing in front of us.
• 1:25:37
  None of us, yes, and they're putting pieces together, but
• 1:25:41
  also not allowed, not allowing each other, not allowing
• 1:25:44
  themselves to really tear into those things.
• 1:25:47
  Just probably get upset. Yeah.
• 1:25:49
  And, you know, I guess I'll give Meri kudos for apologizing to
• 1:25:53
  Janelle once again. I can't really read Meri
• 1:25:56
  sometimes, so sometimes even her apologies feel a little like, if
• 1:26:04
  I don't know. Like the way she words things is
• 1:26:16
  feeling on them, which is kind of like what you're taught to do
• 1:26:20
  Like you don't apologize for anything because that's like
• 1:26:24
  admitting wrongdoing. But you say like, oh, I'm sorry
• 1:26:28
  you had that experience or that you felt like it went that way.
• 1:26:32
  And so she's being very, I'm
• 1:26:33
  going to put this on them and not take the blame, but I think
• 1:26:39
  these emotions are real. OK.
• 1:26:41
  Yeah, I think that she actually feels really horrible and I
• 1:26:45
  don't think she ever would really mean to abuse somebody.
• 1:26:50
  So I think that she is remorseful.
• 1:26:53
  I agree with that. She literally says something
• 1:26:55
  like I didn't know it was too much at the time.
• 1:26:59
  Like she, she might have not known.
• 1:27:04
  I don't know. I just feel bad for both of them
• 1:27:06
  and I feel like Kody did feel them because if you're going to
• 1:27:09
  position yourself in this like
• 1:27:14
  stepping up to fulfill it, you
• 1:27:19
  That's true. That's true.
• 1:27:20
  That's like, just like a parent with like 2 little kids, you
• 1:27:24
  know, you're the parent, you're letting them down.
• 1:27:27
  We have to think of it like these women are kind of raised
• 1:27:31
  to be subservient and, like, childlike in some ways.
• 1:27:35
  And if, like, you know, if a parent's not stepping it up,
• 1:27:38
  kids aren't equipped to handle
• 1:27:42
  they're like, set up to fail. Yeah.
• 1:27:45
  Interesting transition point because then Joe starts talking
• 1:27:48
  about his business background and how he wanted to make a
• 1:27:53
  mission statement for their family because he always saw the
• 1:27:55
  value in that. I've been a part of a few
• 1:27:59
  mission statement exercises at
• 1:28:03
  And not necessarily like, oh, you're going to put it on a
• 1:28:07
  billboard or you're going to have it be your whatever, but
• 1:28:10
  like literally what is the mission of your team?
• 1:28:12
  What is your goal when you're coming to a decision point, when
• 1:28:16
  you're doing whatever, what is
• 1:28:19
  And this seems like it's triggered because of Kody's
• 1:28:23
  inability to lead his family. And they're sharing an example
• 1:28:27
  of it. It shows like hello this is what
• 1:28:29
  I've done. Joe says that he was surprised
• 1:28:32
  by how the conversation took a
• 1:28:35
  kitchen. Yeah.
• 1:28:36
  And so he brought up that he was
• 1:28:40
  made the wives write a mission
• 1:28:44
  wives separated and had time to write their own mission
• 1:28:49
  statement. And then they came together and
• 1:28:51
  took the parts that they each wanted and put it into one
• 1:28:57
  family mission statement. And Vicki again makes a comment
• 1:29:01
  like, what am I willing to sacrifice for this?
• 1:29:04
  What am I willing to sacrifice
• 1:29:07
  that I believe is like my true
• 1:29:10
  And then Joe calls out again, like, this is not for a moment.
• 1:29:13
  This is for forever. It is do or die.
• 1:29:17
  He literally says So for him, he's like, if I am running like
• 1:29:22
  my household, I am running it like a business and like I'm
• 1:29:27
  getting us to heaven. I'm getting yes it's for
• 1:29:30
  eternity and he makes. Us all in there.
• 1:29:33
  He's not making. It's no joke.
• 1:29:35
  And then this leads into them talking about how Joe gets to
• 1:29:38
  see his kids every day. And I thought this was a very
• 1:29:43
  interesting point because I don't know if they're aware.
• 1:29:47
  I mean, obviously they must know
• 1:29:50
  houses. There's some things it didn't
• 1:29:52
  come across as too much of A dig, but it's like a no.
• 1:29:56
  It's important for me to see my kids every day.
• 1:29:59
  That is part of their, I didn't share their mission statement,
• 1:30:03
  but I'm sure it's a crucial part
• 1:30:07
  that they are together every day.
• 1:30:09
  That's their family and it's important.
• 1:30:12
  Kody's bed checks, man. They're not happening.
• 1:30:15
  Oh yeah, no, those, yeah, those bed checks.
• 1:30:18
  Yeah. So with the Dargers, you know,
• 1:30:20
  bragging about their great family and how he's run like a
• 1:30:23
  business sailing and they have
• 1:30:28
  you know, they're back on the couch with the Browns and Kody
• 1:30:30
  asks if they should make a mission statement.
• 1:30:32
  And once again, we get to hear
• 1:30:36
  to do. And like, that's all good.
• 1:30:38
  Robyn says yes, she'd love to do
• 1:30:42
  Meri says sure, I'd be happy to do so.
• 1:30:46
  Christine says I always wanted
• 1:30:49
  I've always dreamed of a mission
• 1:30:52
  And then we get to Janelle and
• 1:30:57
  but I'll do it. He's like, OK, Janelle, all
• 1:31:04
  right. I mean, she's, I don't know if I
• 1:31:07
  want to say I don't like this about her, but she phones in so
• 1:31:10
  much stuff sometimes. Like it's like bitch, be a
• 1:31:12
  participant in your own life. I feel like she seems defeated
• 1:31:16
  because she was the one that was
• 1:31:20
  the homes together. We need to be together for the
• 1:31:23
  children. If you think back to the first
• 1:31:25
  season, she was all about together and togetherness and
• 1:31:29
  raising the children together.
• 1:31:34
  that and then you come to now and you're talking about the
• 1:31:38
  house budgets, and I think she's
• 1:31:44
  super defeated. Because I think if you would
• 1:31:46
  have asked Janelle this in Season 1, even Season 2, she
• 1:31:51
  would have been like gung ho about it.
• 1:31:54
  But she could fucking care less right now.
• 1:31:57
  Yeah, that's definitely the vibe.
• 1:31:59
  Yeah. Meri jokes that it's just
• 1:32:01
  another thing they can take on
• 1:32:06
  She's like, I could take another
• 1:32:08
  Dargers. And she's talking about Joe's
• 1:32:11
  big bald head. We cut back to the table.
• 1:32:18
  They're all talking about taking another trip next year.
• 1:32:20
  Ha ha, ha, ha. Look at our plague trip.
• 1:32:22
  Look at us polygamous. They're having so much fun.
• 1:32:25
  Janelle talks about how monogamous have many examples of
• 1:32:32
  things and polygamous have fewer.
• 1:32:34
  And this always strikes with me, and I've talked about it before
• 1:32:38
  on this show, that like as a little homosexual who is still
• 1:32:45
  queer people growing up. And the ones that were there
• 1:32:48
  were like either a stupid waiter that was silly or a tragic
• 1:32:53
  victim, someone who was on their deathbed or they were shunned by
• 1:32:59
  So there is an element of truth to that, and I get it.
• 1:33:02
  I think it's hard to carve your own.
• 1:33:05
  It's easier for me to have carved my own path because I am
• 1:33:08
  by myself, doing my thing. Whatever.
• 1:33:10
  When you're building a community
• 1:33:14
  little unit, that's there's so
• 1:33:19
  many more layers. Yeah.
• 1:33:20
  And at the time, like, you know,
• 1:33:24
  Janelle and Kody talking about
• 1:33:29
  they're giving shots of all of
• 1:33:33
  shots. Oh, of the of their current
• 1:33:36
  homes outside. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:33:38
  And then we get a comment from
• 1:33:44
  the Browns just have chaotic bliss.
• 1:33:47
  They're living in chaotic bliss.
• 1:33:50
  Chaotic bliss and Kody says, well, we've moved from reacting
• 1:33:54
  to situations to planning for them and I'm going.
• 1:33:57
  I think that's a bit optimistic of your view.
• 1:34:01
  Like, OK, so after three seasons now or two, let's go with two.
• 1:34:11
  You literally thought you're going to move into a rich
• 1:34:13
  person's house that was evacuated in a Russian had four
• 1:34:16
  kitchens. You are not a planner, Sir.
• 1:34:18
  You are reacting to situations. Still, what a joke.
• 1:34:22
  But then, he says, the homes are the first big plan we finally
• 1:34:27
  have. It's a beautiful thing.
• 1:34:29
  Christine says that I think the houses are going to be better
• 1:34:32
  than what we had in Lehigh. Interesting foreshadowing.
• 1:34:35
  Not only that it's not going to be better, but that she doesn't
• 1:34:41
  want to live with the other women.
• 1:34:45
  She does not want to live with her sister wives.
• 1:34:48
  And then we cut away with another gorgeous Ariel shot of
• 1:34:58
  words. There will be another learning
• 1:35:04
  So. So we're floating away with the
• 1:35:07
  cul de sacs and Meri's quote. And it's just a disaster.
• 1:35:12
  This family is a mess. If you guys are still here with
• 1:35:16
  us, we made it through the episode.
• 1:35:17
  There is a coming up on at the end, which Kimber had a visceral
• 1:35:27
  who've seen the show know that what I'm going to talk about,
• 1:35:30
  which is the debate discussion with the Browns and some former
• 1:35:34
  polygamists who are all like, girl, this ain't right, This
• 1:35:38
  ain't right, this is bad. And we get that girl with the
• 1:35:42
  bleach, bleach, bleach. Kimber, I would like for you to
• 1:35:45
  actually describe what this woman looks like, 'cause I'm,
• 1:35:48
  I'm, I'm not going to give it justice.
• 1:35:49
  That hair is fried, dyed and laid to the side.
• 1:35:53
  And it is. Blown back upward and
• 1:35:57
  hairsprayed to the high heavens. And it is so far gone that it's
• 1:36:03
  behind Jesus's back. It's so good.
• 1:36:05
  I was like, Kimberly, you look like this girl I think I've
• 1:36:08
  seen. Photos where you kind?
• 1:36:10
  Of. You kind of look.
• 1:36:11
  Like this girl? No, my head the.
• 1:36:14
  Side of my head was fully shaved.
• 1:36:16
  I was a little more aggressive. You were a little more emo.
• 1:36:20
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. Taken aback by this.
• 1:36:26
  Side to be coming. What are they to be coming?
• 1:36:30
  What do they call it? I just call it coming up on so I
• 1:36:36
  Dot, dot, are you familiar with this girl?
• 1:36:39
  Do you know who she is? No.
• 1:36:41
  OK, see this, what I love is like she's a bit of a she's a
• 1:36:47
  benchmark in this show. Like next step is I'm really
• 1:36:50
  looking forward to next episode because she lets them have it.
• 1:36:56
  What I got to say is I watched. The first.
• 1:36:59
  Probably like 3. Seasons of the show while they
• 1:37:08
  I've said, I've seen snippets here and there on social media
• 1:37:16
  started, I didn't start watching again, but I was listening.
• 1:37:21
  And when we decided to take on this adventure together as bosom
• 1:37:33
  watch clips on social media. I've been avoiding it because I
• 1:37:38
  want real time like reactions from myself and I want to learn
• 1:37:43
  as I would have learned the first time watching it through.
• 1:37:47
  Yes, I'm just so looking forward
• 1:37:49
  to hearing your opinions about
• 1:37:51
  Young, sassy, bleach blonde, lots of eye makeup and she knows
• 1:37:58
  everything. OK, so I'm excited to hear what
• 1:38:01
  you have. So she's like me, maybe when you
• 1:38:05
  were younger and you thought. You knew everything.
• 1:38:07
  Not like today, not like today, not like the Harley, not like
• 1:38:11
  the shrew you are today. So when we've.
• 1:38:14
  Started recording you. Referenced that you looked up
• 1:38:17
  the Dargers because we were wondering about what was going
• 1:38:20
  on with them or who they were.
• 1:38:23
  have had a show. What are we circling back to in
• 1:38:27
  your, you know, very deep scholastic searching?
• 1:38:32
  Yeah. So this was two years ago.
• 1:38:36
  They're still together. Joe has issued a public
• 1:38:39
  criticism of Kody, and he has blamed the demise of the family
• 1:38:44
  on Kody. That's kind of all I know.
• 1:38:48
  He's still married to them, I think.
• 1:38:52
  And Oh my God, this gets even worse.
• 1:38:57
  He married Alina and Vicki, who are cousins, on the same day
• 1:39:03
  and then ten years later he married Vicky's twin sister,
• 1:39:07
  Valerie Val. They didn't tell us that they
• 1:39:10
  were cousins. Incidentally, Joe's.
• 1:39:14
  Late uncle was the ex. Husband of Christine Brown's
• 1:39:19
  anti polygamist aunt, right? This shit gets even crazier.
• 1:39:26
  Apparently they filmed a pilot.
• 1:39:28
  For a proposed reality show house full of spouses.
• 1:39:32
  And they gained notoriety through the book so they didn't
• 1:39:35
  have a show. It was the book love times 3.
• 1:39:39
  So they were trying to get their own show basically is what I'm
• 1:39:52
  Pilot for a show called House Full of Spouses.
• 1:39:55
  Oh, God, I love this. The Google AI thing says Joe
• 1:40:01
  Darger is married to twin sisters Vicki and Valerie and
• 1:40:05
  their cousin Alina. Yeah, whoa.
• 1:40:09
  People are like to. Be honest, the family creeped me
• 1:40:15
  Blah. Blah blah.
• 1:40:15
  And I'm like. This so interesting because like
• 1:40:24
  Wow, I totally thought they had their own show.
• 1:40:30
  I. Didn't.
• 1:40:30
  I did not know or think that, but I was thinking.
• 1:40:34
  Like it would be interesting if they had done a spinoff with
• 1:40:38
  another family, you know? To me they didn't seem terribly
• 1:40:43
  creepy. Or weird.
• 1:40:45
  Or strange. It's hard to say that about a
• 1:40:48
  family like this when you read the bullet points on a Google
• 1:40:52
  search and it's like Joe Darger married twin sisters and then
• 1:40:56
  their cousin like, Oh my God. Oh no you guys this is don't
• 1:41:04
  know what is happening. My entire existence just
• 1:41:07
  crumbled in front of my eyes. Apparently one of the sons has
• 1:41:21
  Boy Scout leader. You totally.
• 1:41:23
  Yeah, I guess I, I just got to say like, any of these things,
• 1:41:34
  Like, yeah, there's problems everywhere.
• 1:41:36
  And you like you cannot. Just based.
• 1:41:40
  On one episode judge anybody. I mean, I think it's hard to put
• 1:41:50
  like narcissists are very good at putting on a complete front.
• 1:41:54
  That's true.
• 1:41:56
  The also some of these search results connect.
• 1:41:59
  Big Love, that scripted show, they are considered inspiration
• 1:42:03
  for the HBO series Big Love, specifically the character Bill
• 1:42:06
  Hendrickson. And they knew the actor Bill
• 1:42:09
  Paxton, who played the lead in
• 1:42:15
  God, this is even their story and the connectivity to this
• 1:42:19
  show is incestuous. And that's not even talking
• 1:42:21
  about how they're incestuous. Yeah, I am going to have to like
• 1:42:26
  put together a list of. Shows that I think that people
• 1:42:30
  should watch if they're interested even further in the
• 1:42:33
  history of Mormonism and polygamy because I just think
• 1:42:39
  that there is there's a lot of
• 1:42:44
  right? There's a lot of crazy history
• 1:42:47
  and manipulation and I, I truly think a lot of religion was set
• 1:42:54
  up by the higher ups as a manipulation tactic, right?
• 1:43:01
  And I think a lot of these people are brainwashed.
• 1:43:06
  I don't know, I, I'm a bit speechless.
• 1:43:11
  I know, I feel. Like bring it back.
• 1:43:13
  It's so weird. It's just so weird.
• 1:43:16
  That we just rehashed. This entire episode and then to
• 1:43:20
  find out these things that were not presented.
• 1:43:23
  It's also another example of reality TV editing producers
• 1:43:28
  some, they were setting up this whole thing to try to get these
• 1:43:31
  people a show. They were trying to sell a book
• 1:43:33
  or they sold a book. They were doing these things
• 1:43:36
  meanwhile. I mean, I guess it's just taking
• 1:43:40
  what we already knew and making it a little worse.
• 1:43:43
  I can't believe that they were
• 1:43:46
  man. Tin foil hats, baby.
• 1:43:49
  I got to say, I'm very curious.
• 1:43:51
  I want. To do some more like digging
• 1:43:53
  into this family because the wool could have been pulled over
• 1:44:00
  could have been like it has been with Kody.
• 1:44:02
  Like narcissists have a good way of like hiding their true
• 1:44:05
  colors. Who knows what's really going on
• 1:44:09
  the children in the one scene. Who knows what that means?
• 1:44:14
  So I think that to really draw conclusions, I don't want to
• 1:44:19
  ruin the Brown story for myself, which is why I haven't been
• 1:44:23
  watching stuff. But I I'm going to look into
• 1:44:26
  this and maybe at the start of next episode, we'll come back
• 1:44:30
  with some answers about where this family is at today, because
• 1:44:35
  I don't know. We'll figure out interesting way
• 1:44:44
  there's some tie insurance. OK.
• 1:44:47
  The Dargers. Man, I don't even know what to
• 1:44:52
  I don't. Know, yeah, mind blown.
• 1:44:53
  We're going to look into it a little bit.
• 1:44:55
  I want to come back. With some answers for everybody.
• 1:45:01
  I love it. This is going to help me with my
• 1:45:03
  shit stain, that's for sure. So darling, would you like to
• 1:45:07
  start with your mustard seed for
• 1:45:09
  Who really made you feel like they could be a tree under the
• 1:45:13
  sun for the children to sit under and get some shade when
• 1:45:17
  they grow up? Because you.
• 1:45:18
  Know now they're just a seed. Going in the ground, everybody
• 1:45:21
  in this episode seemed very like.
• 1:45:27
  We're putting on a happy face,
• 1:45:29
  And like we're doing this. Agreed.
• 1:45:31
  And I don't know if anybody, like, truly shone through the
• 1:45:35
  clouds for me, but I would probably say that it was
• 1:45:45
  Christine. Okay?
• 1:45:48
  There's really no other reason
• 1:45:53
  Yeah, like she's talking about
• 1:45:57
  I'd be open to. One of like the kids getting
• 1:46:00
  like married to one of the other
• 1:46:03
  them. And like, her naivete is like
• 1:46:08
  endearing sometimes. And I think she was like truly
• 1:46:13
  raised in this religion and like
• 1:46:16
  in her family. And I really think she's like so
• 1:46:21
  naive sometimes. And that's not usually like a,
• 1:46:26
  an endearing quality. But in episodes like this or
• 1:46:32
  sometimes when you're like screaming out loud, why does
• 1:46:36
  nobody see this? At least I can look to her and
• 1:46:40
  be like, I think because she really, truly doesn't see this
• 1:46:46
  because she was raised in it and
• 1:46:49
  of way. And I don't know, I think there
• 1:46:52
  is a lot of sincerity to her because she's so naive and she
• 1:46:57
  has a lot of little like cute moments throughout that episode
• 1:47:02
  that are drawn back to the naivete.
• 1:47:05
  That's all I that's like all like, I really don't think
• 1:47:08
  there's a shining star here. No, there definitely is not.
• 1:47:11
  I think I'm going to default to.
• 1:47:14
  Giving my mustard seed to Logan because when the kids were at
• 1:47:21
  the Cruising Cafe 101, he was speaking for the.
• 1:47:26
  Family in a way that. Didn't feel terrible to me and
• 1:47:37
  That was great. It was a 44 minute episode of 50
• 1:47:55
  Going to give it to Logan 'cause I don't really see anybody.
• 1:47:58
  Else worthy of it. So that's what I'm defaulting
• 1:48:01
  to. And I mean, I'm Team Logan, so
• 1:48:07
  I'm going to give my shit stain. To Carl, and don't you fucking
• 1:48:20
  'Cause. He had .5 seconds on a show that
• 1:48:31
  a face for a business. And he says a sexist joke about
• 1:48:37
  having a daughter and a female dog, a female dog.
• 1:48:42
  And he's got too many chicks in his life and he's getting them
• 1:48:56
  here, Carl, if that's your real name, you sexist bastard.
• 1:49:01
  And I you know what if the. Brown Curse If the brown curse
• 1:49:13
  been browned? Browned.
• 1:49:15
  He's making a big X with his arms right now.
• 1:49:19
  I love that. Thank you for the comment left
• 1:49:28
  brought. It is goodbye.
• 1:49:29
  You're there? Yeah.
• 1:49:30
  Goodbye. Goodbye.
• 1:49:32
  Yeah, definitely. He's terrible.
• 1:49:36
  We all know everyone's fucking terrible.
• 1:49:38
  In the family. So I just got to say that I
• 1:49:41
  know. I think my shit stain I feel
• 1:49:43
  like I have to give it to. Joe Darger because like you,
• 1:49:49
  married cousins and then married one of their twin sisters.
• 1:49:55
  I am in shock. They did not tell us that they
• 1:50:00
  Which is a production issue. It's not necessarily his issue,
• 1:50:04
  but he married Cousins on the same day that look like twins.
• 1:50:14
  I went from going like, this guy's not that.
• 1:50:18
  Bad to this guy's terrible. I literally with blind optimism
• 1:50:22
  was watching this whole episode like.
• 1:50:24
  You should be the outline for the Browns like.
• 1:50:29
  What are the? Browns.
• 1:50:30
  What are the Browns doing? And now I'm like, what are the
• 1:50:37
  As if I didn't already think marrying sisters was bad and I
• 1:50:45
  being way. Too generous to.
• 1:50:47
  Him way too generous. The big bald.
• 1:50:51
  And intimidating. Joe Darger.
• 1:50:54
  Oh, wow. I am.
• 1:50:56
  I am in shock. We're in shock.
• 1:51:00
  Shock shooketh to the core. In shock.
• 1:51:03
  I just don't even know what to say.
• 1:51:05
  Our keep sweet moment this episode.
• 1:51:07
  Comes to us from Spotify. It is a comment from Fab Poppy.
• 1:51:11
  Hello Fab Poppy.
• 1:51:13
  Hello Poppy. Fab Poppy says.
• 1:51:15
  I've binged all the previous episodes.
• 1:51:18
  And finally. Caught up to today and now I
• 1:51:20
  feel lost. What do you mean?
• 1:51:22
  I have to wait a week for a new episode now?
• 1:51:24
  I love your show. Well, fab Poppy, you know,
• 1:51:30
  hopefully you have as low opinion about the Darkers as I
• 1:51:33
  do. Now I'm rendered speechless on a
• 1:51:36
  podcast. I don't even know what to say.
• 1:51:39
  Buy me a Margarita? Well, this is it.
• 1:51:41
  Maybe the tequila clouded my judgment and I thought that.
• 1:51:43
  Joe Darger was a good. Guy, but turns out he's just
• 1:51:46
  like a big penis. Honey, what's been your excuse
• 1:51:49
  for the last? Like I won't even say how many
• 1:51:51
  years then. How do you say touché in
• 1:51:54
  Spanish?