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We Got Motion Podcast With P-Dub & CalWood & Special Guest Hakim Owen Ep. 39 · We Got Motion

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  SPEAKER_00: In the link, share the live.
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  SPEAKER_00: We got motion podcasts.
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  SPEAKER_00: We active.
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  SPEAKER_00: You feel me?
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  SPEAKER_00: You see, we got my boy Cal Woods.
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  SPEAKER_00: You already know, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: Always tapping in.
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  SPEAKER_00: Got a special guest, Hakeem Owen down there.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna test this audio.
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  SPEAKER_03: What's up?
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  SPEAKER_03: What's up with uh what's up with the people?
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  SPEAKER_03: Calwood, you already know, man.
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  SPEAKER_03: Can you hear me?
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  SPEAKER_00: Audio looking good.
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  SPEAKER_00: We already got viewers tapping in live.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everything good, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: You already know PWGME East Oakland, Globe Mouth Entertainment, free but not free.
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  SPEAKER_00: Frequency 99.
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  SPEAKER_00: We got motion.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm banging anything, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: You've been saying I'm all over the place.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what we do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cal Wood, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let us know what to do, man.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: How you been?
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  SPEAKER_01: Man, I've been good, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I actually had a crazy day today, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I'm I'm I'm glad I'm here, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just, you know, one half of one of the most dangerous podcasts in the motherfucking world.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, shout out the the the the the umbrella frequency 99, man, global mafia entertainment, free but not free, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we have a special guest for all you guys, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Please, special guest, introduce yourself, where you from, let the people know.
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  SPEAKER_02: What's up, man?
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  SPEAKER_02: Super grateful to be here.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's my first time doing anything like this, being on a live stream.
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  SPEAKER_02: So uh, my name is Hakeem.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm from Sacramento originally, and uh I'm excited to get started and see where this heads, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm gonna let y'all do the probing and I'm gonna just do the um yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, okay, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: Listen, man, look, my nigga King and just so we get a little background, I can tell you where I know him from, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm saying, you know, we we got we got some school time together, managerial position hakeem.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
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  SPEAKER_00: And and uh rising scholars, I'll let you uh he'll get into like his history and stuff like that, but uh for sure he's uh uh a renaissance man.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, would have been like a renaissance thug to me.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_00: I used to say a renaissance thug when I was younger because like I to me it's like a motherfucker that could cold switch for they were saying cold switch.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: You could be in the streets, you also know how to uh pop your collar, get out of the streets, you know.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm saying, like I like a chameleon, a motherfucker Jack all trades.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out to TikTok.
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  SPEAKER_00: I see y'all rocking over there, tick tock rocking too.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, follow, subscribe, twitch and kick, like, like, follow, subscribe.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's all good, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: But look, King, man, this is what I want to start off with.
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  SPEAKER_00: You feel me?
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna ask you, you gotta give us a little overview of yourself.
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  SPEAKER_00: We want to go back to the past, though.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, what was it like water Sacramento?
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  SPEAKER_00: Oak Park.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I I was in Y with a lot of Oak Park niggas and shit like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, when I was young, it was all bloods.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: Is that I was wondering if that's a real thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hey, you trying to go there right out the gate.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_03: Listen, so the direct answer to that question, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't think so.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it's I don't think that's the case no more.
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  SPEAKER_02: But however, when I was young, yes, that was the case.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: How was it growing up, man?
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  SPEAKER_02: It was beautiful and catastrophic at the same time, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Um and we're gonna get into the education, but you know, I didn't have the words then to describe what I'm able to describe now, so I'm gonna try to describe it um how I experienced then.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was beautiful and it was confusing.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, I lost uh my mom and my dad separated when I was real young.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, there was no communication.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, I was heartbroken by that and I didn't know why it happened.
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  SPEAKER_02: And my dad was a very domineering um individual, didn't express himself at all unless it was to uh confront or to you know critique, criticize, or or punish, right, if you will.
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  SPEAKER_02: Didn't know how to kind of mix the or blend in the love with that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um and you know, I stepped outside and the homies was, you know, they was rewarding what I was presenting.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I was um aggressive by nature, I think probably because of my dad.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_02: You know, he was a big man and I was small when I was young, but at about 15, I kind of adapted that energy, like, oh, okay, this ain't nobody making me feel like this no more.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um and you know, once I adapted that and stepped out into the streets and got involved with the streets, you know, now a lot of my research is about street addiction.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um you can understand, like a lot of our young people, like I was, are addicted to the streets.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like you can't when I think about when I used to sit out and case a place that I was about to rob, I'd I'd go for two or three or four nights in a row and sit outside from 10 at night to two in the morning watching something, and I would I would get a rush.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, right.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what you call sophisticating jacking at his findings because a lot of these dudes just go in, and and I always tell people they got you gotta have the special kind of heart to go in somebody's crib and you'll know what's on the other side of that door.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the I never did that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I never did that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um businesses only.
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  SPEAKER_00: I never ran in no one's spot.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, look, look, would look look listen.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Jack is creed.
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  SPEAKER_00: Salute to my ex-jacker, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what I did.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: Same case on the truth, but all I did was street level running the houses, home invasions.
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  SPEAKER_00: I stayed away from businesses.
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel like niggas won't go call the police, but for sure, but for sure, right?
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_00: But you would be wrong, you'll be fooled sometimes.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_00: Niggas will call the police.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: Niggas will still call the police, but still call the police.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, I get it though.
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  SPEAKER_00: I do get it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Here's the reality: any logic involved around that behavior is gonna be fucked up.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, all our logics was off.
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  SPEAKER_02: My logic was like, Oh, I'm not gonna rob no poor people, I'm gonna take from these white people and they businesses, um, blah blah blah.
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  SPEAKER_02: That was my logic, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: So it didn't end well though.
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  SPEAKER_02: I landed up on the run in Mexico because of that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that might, we might get back to that later, but that that career was short-lived.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, growing up, man, it was it was decent, but then you know, I got a lot of a lot of friends that I was just in solidarity prison.
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  SPEAKER_02: I seen some of them that that I knew from childhood that caught murder cases.
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  SPEAKER_02: A couple of them are coming home soon.
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  SPEAKER_02: A couple of them are back in sack, fresh released.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but the stories are all the same, man.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_02: This is a it's a hood novel, right?
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_02: You know, with the it's different, but it's always the same, you know.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_02: So for me, and and why I feel like I'm here is because through my journey with education, I met Nicaea, right?
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like I wouldn't have met, I wouldn't have met him had I not taken that journey um after being released through education.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I hope that answers your question, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome, man.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, one thing, man, look, one thing we do and we got motion, right?
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_00: Is sometimes right we kind of go abstract.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was just telling you and Wood, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: That a lot of times, you know, we get on here because we gotta be entertained.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was just telling my brother that too.
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  SPEAKER_00: Shout out to my brother, like that, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: Free the real man, free to free the falling soldiers, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: I was just telling him that uh, you know, sometimes you got to step out in the entertainment realm so much that you kind of you kind of like your integrity suffers, but it's almost like you damn near look like like when you look in the mirror, you dumb and damn.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm saying because everything about this shit is really like phony.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: The internet, everything is going to internet run shit.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's why really you almost like a breath of fresh air, I can that you really don't fuck with the internet like that.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know that it's important, but you really don't fuck with it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, like you ain't you ain't fully immersed in it, you don't understand that really that's a refreshing thing not to know it.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: At first, I used to roast before it, but now that I understand it because I gotta be in it, because that's my job, bruh.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'm telling you, it's really a blessing that you're not even really immersed in it like that.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, in some ways it hurts me, but I appreciate it.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's it's it's it's more pros than cons, but I will say, once you start getting immersed in this world, as long as you understand nobody cares on the internet, they don't care about your feelings, they don't care about nothing, right?
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: And and and and my advice to people never look at the comments, never, you'll be fine.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: But that the when you start looking at the comments and when you start caring and understanding, like this shit is if you when you believe it is real, it this shit will consume you.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: I seen it consume some of the best people, yeah.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_01: So so new not knowing about this shit, long as you go into it like that, man, you're gonna be a-okay, man.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm a real, I'm a gangster though.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna keep it real.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like, my purpose is is bro.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'm trying, I'm creating a he'll tell you, I'm meeting funders next week from the Zellerbach Foundation.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_02: They worth 175 million.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out to the Zellerbach!
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_02: Shout out to Zellerbach Foundation, man.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_02: Supporting the Bluetooth Justice Initiative, our diversion program.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_02: I really and you know what I have to say.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_02: This it really breaks my heart, though, that you know, when I do this work, it'd be white people that I'm going to and asking, you know, it's for our community, but I gotta go to them to be like, hey, you know, can I get a little piece to get this started to hopefully help a few cats that might be willing, that might, you know what I'm saying?
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's just it'd be breaking my heart, man.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_02: But I gotta do something.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I call it my my pain and the purpose, right?
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_02: Like, when I say I'll tell you how I move, like even at work, it's like I'm trying to throw in the cats what I got to experience because on the flip side, I know what walking them yards and being in them riots and not getting your visits or the phone or like all these pains that are happening simultaneously, and you got to act like that shit ain't breaking you down inside, and then you get thrust back out into society, like, hey, you nigga ain't had a lick of therapy, ain't ain't I listen?
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_02: I got home from prison in October of 2020 and I still hated my dad.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_02: And I like my dad passed two and a half months ago, and I'm so grateful that I was real intentional about re-establishing a relationship with him over those years before he got sick, but that was for me because I have finally learned like, damn, I can't carry this anger with me and still get to where I'm going.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't, it was, it wouldn't have happened, and I see that today.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_02: I see people making steps, or whether it's school or you know, these different things.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_02: But when you got trauma like some of us got, if you didn't did niggas six years in the pen, or you did some of these stories that we got, bro, and you ain't you ain't unpacking it and you just think it's good, I disagree.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: But listen, listen, listen, King, you don't gotta apologize for stepping in a matrix and being Neo, right?
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: See, like what I this what I'm this what I'm coming really like I I've come to the realization I've been on a matrix, but I'm saying the realization of whenever you step in that shit and you plug in, you gotta be whatever you gotta be to get whatever you gotta get to bring it back to Zion to free the slaves.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: So if your purpose is that and when you talk about unpacking another parallel story because we ain't talked about this when we in our like you know, when in our work environment, but like I didn't talk to my pals for 20 some years.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: I can't even remember what the argument was over, right?
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: I don't remember what we fell out for, how it was.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: I everybody always say out you just like your dad to me, he was a dick.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, nigga, I ain't nothing like that, but I'm a dickhead too, right?
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_02: Shout out to Devin, shout out to Devin Flowers, shout out to Devin Flowers of the Rising Scholars program who Nasea roasted for two hours straight about not having no facial hair.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_02: Almost had him drop out of school.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: The nigga wants to drop out of school after my nigga looked like a leukemia patient.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: I thought that nigga, but he's brilliant though, he's actually a brilliant young dude.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: Well, he's a he's a cat, but he got it.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm telling you, people be crazy because they're genius or genius because they're crazy, whichever way.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: But I was gonna tell you, bro.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_00: I my pops, I hated him.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: I seen him two days before he died.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: I it was a we ain't seen each other 20 something years.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_00: Then when he died, I cried.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the point is that whatever we be thinking that we got going on in this moment that we sitting in right now, even as grown men like that been through shit for decades, we never really truly understand life until you face with real moments, right?
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_00: So if you want to ask some of that, ask some of that because I want to segue into something that we just said about the matrix.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: Go ahead though.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: No, for sure.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say I was having a conversation with uh a young, a young man and our mentor, and I was just telling him, I said, I believe that men at a young age, not at an older age, but at a young age, need to experience that pain.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: That pain is gonna make you a better person, it's gonna build you up.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: Now it don't gotta be done super extreme, but you do, you know, so that's why sometimes the people have these easier lives, when they do get a little bit of pain, what's the first thing they want to think?
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: They want to off themselves.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: They they don't understand.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that all men need to have that that pain in those defining moments, and also maybe even hit rock bottom to be a better person.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I was just talking to a young man a dad body because he was going through something that would just let them know, like, it's okay.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm here for you, and we also need to normalize, especially as black men, and men to talk to each other about our problems and get that out.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_01: Because, man, a lot of these people who caught bodies, caught cases, they they they weren't able to get that emotion out.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: And now they held that emotion in and uh somebody stepped on their shoe or some small shit.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: Now they want to go to prison in their life or in somebody else's life.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's okay.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like me, you know, me also I love you.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_01: I love guys, we got emotion.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: I love breaking the fifth wall, I love getting a little personal and talk about some personal things that even dub not even gonna happen to do, but even me and dub, we talk about personal things all the time.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: Right last week, I didn't cry to this man.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_01: I was going through something so catastrophic to me, like I don't even cry, nigga.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: I ain't crying since my mom died.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: Right, so the fact that I was able to do that, you know what I'm saying, and to be vulnerable with my brother, it helped me, and everything's better now.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: So that's all I'm gonna say.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, hold on, Cal, hold on, before you move on, bro.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_02: I want to back up to something Cal said real quick.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_02: You brought up about the pain and the experiencing the pain and that being needed, and I agree, but I feel like if you skip past one important part, you said that you were there for that young man and you let him know XYZ elemental P.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_02: That component has to be in there in the form of, and I say and I talk about this all the time, a healthy black man, right?
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_02: Who's a counselor, a tutor, an advisor, an advocate.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_02: Because if he's going through that pain and it's solo, then it becomes confusion and aggression, and then you latch on to whoever's willing to allow you into that space and to give you one of your Maslow's hierarchy of needs, right?
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: We all need what we need.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_02: We want to be loved and recognized and appreciated.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_02: And if we're not getting it in the way of Cowwood saying, oh bro, that's good, like handle that, and you're gonna bounce back and be bigger than better.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like if you don't have that, then what do you have?
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what I know in Oakland specifically.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, I used to go to juvenile court for young men, they'd be in court looking at time, and they don't have an adult with them.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I used to be like, damn, come on, let me come in here with you and just sit down, right?
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like, so that that's what we're dealing with, right?
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_02: So when you're dealing with that, that's hard to navigate.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_02: So I agree because that pain will shape you, but there's gotta be something else there that's kind of holding you together or that shit could break you too.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: Facts.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: No, I agree, I agree.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like me, the difference between me now and me then is when I was going through that pain when I was younger, I didn't have those people to talk to.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: So what happens?
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: I went to the streets and got involved with a group of men that I thought those were my brothers.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: And honestly, they were just kind of just using me to sell dope.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: Because if I get caught, I'm a juvenile.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: If they get caught, they're doing life.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: But actually, but when I got older, I had the proper mentor, the proper guidance from people.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what this generation is missing, is guidance.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, thank you.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'm glad you said that, brother.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, because Dub always says the gay generation.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: I was talking to my daughter today, and I was just telling her, like, I'm so proud of her.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: So she be coming home like, man, this girl said she's 15.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, for sure.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: So she she like she like, man, my friend said she she was about to run away because her mama took her phone.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: Man, my man, my daddy killed me.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: She knows she already knows these certain lines that she wouldn't even cross certain things.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: But she's seeing these little, you know what I'm saying, uh, people doing these things.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, these people crazy.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: I know right.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm gonna I've never done a live, I've never done a live stream before, but is it okay for the host to just disappear?
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no, when it's technical difficulties, that's why it's a live stream.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: Anything can happen.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: Anything can happen, anything can happen.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, when it's recorded, you could double back and edit.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: But I was I never left, I was listening.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: The one thing I did hear that stood out about all the shit that y'all said, everything I said was super dope.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: But what I heard I heard Cal Wood said, he said something to me, and I made him feel better.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: You already said how keep since you've been on without me, it wouldn't be no you.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm on.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: This nigga, let's talk about that.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: You feel me?
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_00: Let's get on what this is really about.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody seems to be in consistency.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_00: Without dub, what would you be?
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: So we're gonna segue to some great good question.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: Good question.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: Right, look, right?
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: So look, I want to ask this one of the topics we was on.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: We was talking about the matrix.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: Now, me and Wood, I ain't gonna lie, bruh.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: I ain't gonna lie to you.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: Matter of fact, me and Hakeem have even ventured in this.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: We just be in this setting, it's weird, right?
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: Because we be in schools.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: This the nigga, I'm your boss, I'm your boss.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_02: You're in school.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I don't have a boss, I only have supervisors, I don't have a boss.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: There's no one that's the boss as me.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, right?
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: At the end of the day, never outside the master.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: Never listen, right?
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: When we talk about it, look, I've been quoting our king lately because I've been like, I'm in school, right?
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a student, I'm in classes, I'm I'm 48, right?
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'm in there with youngsters, King.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_00: The other day, right?
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, I'm in class, they make it the English teacher making everybody read a paragraph.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm listening to Asians, Mexicans, I'm it's only like two or three buzzers in there with reading, bro.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, it's not even I'm damn near embarrassed.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: I and I understand that young, but I'm like, you it's you still a cow, you you graduated and you went when I was 15, 14, but when I was an ignorant nigga, I I had good reading skills, right?
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, but I'm looking at this shit, then I'm like, I told you one of my professors one time said some shit like, yeah, Lincoln, when Lincoln freed the slaves, when Lincoln uh freed the slaves, he was less racist when he signed the the emancipation proclamation.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: So all this in my head, and when you know and you looking at this shit, it blows your mind.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm in the office one day, I'm talking to King, and I'm like, but he said, I ain't gonna lie, bro.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: When you get to Berkeley, that's all they do.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's gonna be so much information that all they do is trying to wake you up.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be so much information, nigga.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: You ain't gonna even, and we be in this workspace, so we only be able to kind of it's like we in the matrix, we only be able to hit you with a couple of nigga bombs on the under, you know, a couple of slides to the side, fuck with it like that, right?
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: So look, but my my thing when I'm segueing to is that when we talk about the matrix and we talk about social constructs, right?
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: I would love for us to indulge and engage because a lot of my viewers, a lot of people I know personally, I'll be saying social construct a lot, and I don't think and I be saying the matrix a lot, and I don't think they really understand.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think they think I'm a I'm a JK sometimes.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I let her get that break broke broke down by my two colleagues on the panel.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, well, hold on.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Kim, let me say this.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: Number one, he's doing so good in school now.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: When he first got to school, he hated it.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't know where we he he was he ain't scared of a lot of things, but failing school, he ain't gonna fail.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm proud of my man's by going crazy and doing amazing in school.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: So let me just say that.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, no, oh, but but but with these social constructs, but it's so many that's fucked up because we we've everything that they taught us, they lied to us.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like now with the people who are waking up, we're either figuring out what the truth is or we're making our own and making it actually better to suit our environment for our people.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it's a lot of fucked up social constructs.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: But Kim goes with you, which in your opinion about the social constructs, what's your top three you think are the most detrimental to society?
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_02: Oh shit.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, well, so here's the thing.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even look at it as a top three, I look at it more like how Bruh described it with The Matrix.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's like we're in a snow globe.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_02: I look at it like living in a snow globe.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it looks really broad and really expansive um from our from our little positions.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um but the real but the reality is is that um we're very segregated, like South Africa.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we still have you know where you live, what schools you can go to, what you can pursue, how you can pursue it, how you're perceived.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: All these things are still very, very, very, very real.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, uh that's proven by terms like imposter syndrome.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_02: You know, when I first got into Berkeley, that's all I used to hear.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, oh, do you experience imposter syndrome?
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, nah, bitch, do you?
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you could you the imposter, you the imposter, but I didn't, I didn't, you know, I've always had the gur.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_02: I read over 6,000 books when I was incarcerated.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_02: So um, as much as Berkeley was great for me, I also had a lot of that wisdom uh in me specifically.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_02: I think for me, there's there's this is a two-way streak for me.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_02: So, on one aspect, it breaks my heart because I have a youth program in Alameda and I have 16 young men.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I can honestly say that because of what we're talking about social constructs, I know that 13 or 14 of them will not ever reach full self-efficacy.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: They'll never reach the point where their bills are on autopilot, they have a little money saved up, they have a steady income and some opportunities and some ideas about what they want to do for the future.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: They're not at risk of being incarcerated.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_02: 14, 13 or 14 out of my 16 will not make it.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: Why?
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_02: Because of the social constructs and the generational aspects of what we're experiencing here, right?
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_02: The reality is this in our society, this is just a fact.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we like to believe in you know this entrepreneurial, we all have this ability to pursue things, and I do agree with that.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_02: But education slash school, slash, and I say and I are here because of school, man.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_02: We're doing this, and he's coming to my he's coming to my TED talk, and there's gonna be other things, and it's I spoke in the Senate and I've done, I know senators and assembly because of school, man, because of what you see behind me on this wall, right?
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_02: Because I don't care if you're in the podcasting or in the Brain surgery.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_02: School is the environment where those same people are there.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: And here's where I'm going with that.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_02: Our people, unfortunately, are young people because generationally, why?
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: There was 96 years in historical time where black people were being hunted down, murdered, um, burned alive, hung in front of um groups of white people for what?
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_02: Pursuing education for trying to learn how to read, right?
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_02: For right, so we have a and this is a this is a public health thing.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: This is the shit they teach you at Berkeley.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: Generationally, um, black babies are born with aversions, these aversions to education.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: So when I work with a a young 14-year-old and he tells me, man, school ain't for me, but you're out here robbing, you're broke, you're you're living in abandoned buildings, right?
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: So that's for you.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's for you, but financial aid is not free sandwiches, not saying free sandwiches.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: We can hustle school, especially in it, especially in San Francisco.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: You can literally be a professional student, like for real, you could be a career student.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I want to I want to piggyback on what you said, King.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: The thing about it is, bro, this is what I'll be with me with the social constructs, is just this.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: Once you learn about it, what are you doing with it?
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like we in it, right?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: So if you ain't trying to like, you know, steal from the rich to get it a poor or blah blah blah, right?
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: What are you in it for?
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: Even with white people, right?
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: Even with what it's him, it's him.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's that's that's technical shit.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: But no, I do want to say this.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, some something that you said also stuck out.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: I need, I need, I need everybody to clip this.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: Cat Williams.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: You have met your match.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: You said you read 3,000 books.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: My nigga Hakeem had read 6,000, nigga.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, no, for sure.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_02: And then wrote three, and then wrote three.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: Come on, man.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: Bro, uh listen, we're gonna definitely have to talk off here, off here, because I've read I wrote two books.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I don't really want you to check them out.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for sure.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_02: Shout out to my book, The Black Testament Trilogy.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_02: Don't order it off of Amazon because they work me.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm creating my website to be able to ship my own books out.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_02: Stay tapped in a streamer, we'll tap in with Nice when it's time.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, but yeah, I want to read it, I want to check it out, bro.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: Let me ask you a question.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know how to because I'm a very skilled person, man?
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: I I've learned actually when I used to be a janitor back in the day.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: I used to be a janitor.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: Man, I was a janitor, man, and what the irony was my boss was a Mexican.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: And he blew.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: I swear to God, I swear to God.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: No, I swear to you.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: His name, his name, Ben Jorge.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: That was my boss's name.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: That was my boss Ben Jorge.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: But I can't.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: He gave me the realest game, and he said, he said, he said, Kev, no matter if you are a worker or a boss, learn as many skills as possible.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: You learn so many skills, no matter what you're doing, nobody can let you go.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: So when I started doing, I'm like, damn.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: So I start doing the marketing thing, and then I start learning graphic design.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: Then I start uh learning how to how to do credit.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: Then I start learning the difference, the differences between LLCs and S Corps and helping people with their business.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: And so now it's like nice.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I learned those skills.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: But this what I still have to say, it's one thing I don't know how to do, and because you wrote books, do you know how to do manuscripts?
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, so yeah, so I I I do.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_02: So the answer is yes.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_02: And I I guess my question is for what?
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like when you say for like, is it for like a film, a short film, or no, for my book.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: So the so I wrote my book and I was gonna put it on Amazon, but I had to have like the proper manuscript.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so yeah, let me give you some games.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_02: So what I did because I my my books are written.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: Damn, I say I should have had a copy of my book handy so I could have pulled it out.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: I got one right out here.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: I can grab it.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: Hold on.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_02: All right, for sure.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_02: So to answer your question, bro, there's a um I I paid, I'm gonna keep real.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_02: I had like I was working as a janitor.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: I was fresh home working as a janitor.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_02: I saved up$1,400.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_02: I spent$900 of my$1,400 to self-publish my book right there through Excel.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_02: Turn it to the side so they can see how thick it is.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, this motherfucker a Bible.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and what they do is they help do what you're describing, Cal.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: They'll walk you through the process, right?
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_02: My whole thing was since mine's a hood book, I didn't want them to have, I didn't want them to be changing my shit and change like my slang or do shit that they wouldn't understand.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_02: So I had a dude and I had to like, so like chapter one of my book is entitled Childhood Trauma.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_02: It started off like this.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_02: Get off my mama, get off my mama, I said as I beat my daddy across his back with my tiny fist.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_02: I couldn't have been more than five years old.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: Too young to know what was going on and why.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_02: But I did know that no one, including my father, would hurt my mom on my watch.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's okay, son, go to your room.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_02: Me and your mama just talking, that's all.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_02: Now I've never considered myself to be exceptionally bright, but I've always been a square sharp on all four sides.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: So there's no need for you to be sitting on my mom while she's crying if y'all are just talking.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_02: So I I could go on, right?
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_02: Chapter two, it goes back and forth.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_02: Chapter two is entitled Who I Am and it starts off like this.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_02: By the way, my name is King, and as far as the gang goes, I've done it all, and I've done it quite successfully, if I must say so myself.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: As we speak, I'm laying in bed with two bad bitches.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was Drake that said girls like girls where I'm from.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_02: Nigga ain't never lied on that one.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_02: I'm living in a gated community in Whiteville.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: So it goes back and forth.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: But I popping that shit.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, right?
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: My nigga, look, that's what I'm saying, bro.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: When we go to this tear talk, nigga, you better have all that shit memorized.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: I ain't trying to get none of that, nigga.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, listen, I want to go back.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: I want to go back with something.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm telling you, bro.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: No care.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I uh would you gonna feel me?
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: King my keen be with listen.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: I on my mama, I was just cooking, my whole internet went out.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: It just ain't never happened.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: Damn, my whole Wi-Fi just went out.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm looking, ain't nothing spinning, but I'm glad y'all was still on.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: My because I'm on data, tick tock still was rocking, right?
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: But that's crazy when nigga talking about social constructs.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: A nigga I'm just telling you, it's our getting weird.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: Look, look, and I just was about to say this is what I was about to say that to me, even when I'm in school, where they talk about racism or whatever, when they talking about racist always, we know they ain't nothing but about 300 years old.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: Race ain't even really that old, ain't because it ain't real, like money, it ain't real, it's it's there, you know what I'm saying?
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: But right, we all made a carbon nigga, like you know what I'm saying, right?
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like it ain't real, right?
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: But I be tripping off white people that don't fuck with niggas and Mexicans that don't fuck with niggas.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: But when you find out they've been lying the whole time, nigga, they lied to you too.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: Nigga, if they lied to me about my history, they lied to you about my history in order for you to hate me.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: So you ain't mad at them.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: It ain't never, but it ain't never no bottom-up approach to sociology.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: And me and you was talking about that, King.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: I would I would love to develop a curriculum where instead of it being a top-down macro or micro approach to this shit, where it's about, yeah.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: Mind you, we talk about it, the scabs, right?
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: But a bottom-up approach to the sociology, like to the study of the shit that we're talking about.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: Let me tell you something.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: The the only way I'm gonna be honest, this is my opinion, just seeing how the history is when great leaders start to do a little too much.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: You have to do that shit independently.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: Because if you go bring that shit to the college and you start, let me tell you, you and and it is and somebody who really loves what you do approve it, right?
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: Man, boy, they're gonna start losing sponsorships, they're gonna start losing funding.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: They're gonna be like, look, duh, we love this.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: I keep saying Berkeley be on it.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_02: Hold on.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just gonna say, listen to me, brother.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_02: I took a class, shout out to Professor Lala Bohemian, um, two professors, shout out to Lala Bohemian Sociology of Policing.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, shout out, man, a real shout out to Professor Organisa.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_02: Y'all should look him up, he'll tell you.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_02: We're doing a training on acculturation assimilation, but he's a nationally recognized professor on acculturation and assimilation as it regards to migration.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_02: But I've applied it to like re-entry.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: And what that what that defines is how do we process like coming from prison into society and having to navigate all the feelings and things and demands, or how does Hakeem coming into city college in his first real technical professional job not say the N-word so that another black nigga doesn't file a complaint against him, which actually really happened.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like, so how do you experience that and not get mad and still stay on your path?
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: So it's um it's a whole matrix, like you said.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's it's it's it's really the way to say it, bro.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know, man.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's I feel like for me, I try to hyper focus on individuals because I'll get overwhelmed with the noise on the outside, but I agree with what you're saying, and I think my mentorship program that we've talked about is something that kind of is founded in that, right?
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_02: Mentors that are black men, healthy, um, still got the gur, but also got the love.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm taking it back to the foo-boo for us by us.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: That's a fact, that's a fact.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: No, my nigga Cal wooden Detroit is still rocking foo boo right now.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: Come on, get a few.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: The Detroit ain't rocking foo boo, unfortunately.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: But we we you know rocking foo boo platinum niggas right now.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, oh no, I was gonna ask where you was at, Cal.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_02: You in Detroit?
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, listen, bro.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to put we need to tap in after this, but I have I'm coming to Detroit soon, so we need to tap in, and it's something I'm coming to Detroit for something that you could actually might want to participate in.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_02: So let's find a way to all connect.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm the I'm the I'm Detroit to uh to Texas, so you're gonna oh that's what's up.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm tapped in.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, for sure.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, look, look, let's go to a couple of comments because they asked a couple of questions.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh, somebody asked you, Hakeem.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_00: Do you have this an audio book as well?
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for that question.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm working, shout out to my boy AJ, AJ Beats and Diego.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: We're working on the audiobook right now.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's a grind, man.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's just harder than I thought because I sat in the studio and I was reading it and I had to start over, and I didn't like I'm a perfectionist, and I say I might agree with that.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so it's in motion.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_02: So yes, I'm working on it, and thank you for the question.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and then we got Carol Wood.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't know you had a book.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_03: That's Car Wood.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: Tell us about the book.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: I got I got I got two books.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: One of them I wrote.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's a love story.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's called the connector.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's yes, yes, it's a love story.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's called it's called The Middle Where We Met.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: And it's basically about a uh uh and it's a dual perspective book.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like the first five chapters is my words, the first the other five chapters is her words, and the last three chapters we're talking together.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's dope.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's it's real dope.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: Then the second book is called The Narcissus Nightmare, and it's basically this this dope.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sleeping on you too, would I never had that?
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: The nice narcissist nightmare, man, is about this this guy, man from Miami, real estate bogul.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: He just been, you know, dealing with these girls on on just such a surface level.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_01: He meet this other girl from Harlem.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: I hear a book tour.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_01: I hear a book tour.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that sounds like some shit.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_00: This nigga would throw would gotta get out the house.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: He throw his buffs on this little fake ass chain, nigga act like you're always trying.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like, look, and then and then my look, and then Rose said uh Rose in the comments.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: She said first earlier, she said uh that um prison.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: What'd she say where that comment go?
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_02: You said you could read since a young nigga.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_02: What happened to that?
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_00: She said some shit like about prison being um that's crazy.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: That motherfucker disappeared.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_00: The comment disappeared.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: Said uh prison.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_00: She said she worked as a janitor too.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: Y'all was talking about janitor work okay.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay, shout out to Rose.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out for real.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know you worked as a janitor, nigga.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: They got hidden jobs.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: You trying to keep that away from it.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: Let me see.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: We got uh and then we uh on my boy uh crash mob.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: Our folks, they said it's gotta be uh it's gotta be like a pyramid.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: There's more of us at the bottom.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: We gotta come as one mind to take out the few at the top.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's because yeah, and we gotta start moving in silence more.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like all of our best people have been taken out in different ways, no matter if it's unaliving or or uh drugs or whatever it may be.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: So we need to start moving it like like back in the day, man, when they was braiding the hair, the slaves braiding each other hair, it weren't just braids, it was roadmaps of how to escape.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: They weren't talking about all this.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: So we when we we can talk about this, but when we really get into it, man, we really in the back, really getting to these meetings and and talking to people dislike-minded and really making some shake behind the scenes.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_02: Let me let me tell you what they taught me at Berkeley that really woke my game up.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_02: And I say a similar because we're we we come from an aggressive, we are man, I say almost was about to squabble up at my job because he had me fucked up.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_02: That being said, uh one thing they one thing they taught me in that one of these classes at Berkeley, sociology of policing, particularly, is about violence, right?
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, of course, in society, when we see violent when I see black-on-black crime and young men committing violence against one another, it breaks my heart, right?
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_02: Because we're so confused, right?
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: But the reality is that violence does run the world.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_02: And what they what they teach at Berkeley is that you know, we look at social construct, and the main component of social construct is government, right?
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_02: Which is what legitimate violence, right?
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_02: Right in the form of military, police, police will kill you, take your life, they'll get away with it, they'll plant shit on you.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_02: They have they have violence at their disposal.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_02: We're seeing that now, we're seeing that now with um President Trump, you know, with his with his you know, they're chasing down the the migrants and the capital shit, and then he's partying.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_02: He recognizes and realizes that what Scarface said is very true.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_02: Nigga, where's your it's it's about the balls now?
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: The social construct comes with this.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, we have order.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_02: No, what we have is most people don't do the shit they really want to do because they're scared of the violence that will happen to them through the form of the police and the government, right?
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: That's a threat of violence because it's not even got to be an actual violence.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no, it's but it's hanging, it's it's actual because it's actually hanging over your head, right?
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: Right, if that if that camera, right?
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's like your kid know you just spanked that ass one time when he about to do it again.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: He just got he's so cautious now that it's definitely whipping his ass every time.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well, not just that, he saw he saw your brother catch a real beat down though, too.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: So you've seen other people get it, like, oh shit, right.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: So now it makes so so now people always have this question, it makes sense why when it when they get to riding and looting, they'll they'll mess up their own community before they go up to them suburbs and them places and them them real businesses start doing something because they're like, damn, I can go fuck up the mom and pop's little grocery store, but I know if I go downtown, they're gonna they're gonna kill me.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_02: They're gonna kill me.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_02: They might actually kill me, yeah.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_02: And it's true.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you can look at the Watts riots in the 60s and look at look at the data on what was actually damaged.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_02: It was all in the black and brown hood.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_02: Black.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, come on now.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: But look what we did during George Floyd.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: It was purge night, three nights in a row, bro.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: To act to bring a tank to the town.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: Every dispensary was hit, every motherfucking beauty supply was hit, every Dodge dealership was hit.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm talking about it was real because you already know Oakland is GTA, you know, Oakland is really a true life GTA mind, like for real.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it's so much shit going around and that motherfucker, bro.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: So we all know that.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: But I my thing be like when you know it.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: I told you before at one of my jobs at the school, I asked somebody.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: We was talking, and she was my supervisor.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: She started talking about social culture.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Damn, okay, so you hit too.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_00: Because I feel like you like you part of the resistance.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: So, what are you doing?
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: If you know it, what are you doing?
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: Every day I'm in a rap race.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I'm an entrepreneur, media and music, and anything having to do outside of having my own, not being my own boss, I really don't want to do it.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not enthusiastic about it.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to be a part of it.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't, if it ain't especially if it ain't equal to no dollars, right?
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: But I find myself still rocking.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: A king could attest to this, Wood could attest to this.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: Nigga, wake up at 4 5 in the morning every day, don't go to sleep till about 11.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: By the time it I ain't gonna lie, sometimes 12 or 1 if I get on media, right?
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_00: And get up and do it again.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: Before you know it, you ain't really got no time to be worried about the problems of earth.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: I can't be a crime fighter.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: I I ain't I can only listen to maybe two or three of my people complain about something trying to help them.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: I can't listen to a whole tribe.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_00: I I got a four-year-old daughter, so it's like at the end of the day, I'm I'm looking I'm hustling for gas money, just paid$150 on the tank the other day.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_00: It'd be so many things going on in your life that you can't really concentrate on freeing the slaves.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: All right, no, okay, you're absolutely right.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: Now I ain't gonna break the fifth wall and tell tell all these viewers what you just bought.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I'll talk about some hustling for gas money.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: If I tell y'all what he just bought, I ain't gonna do it though.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: I must go remember.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: We're talking about like some shit for the for the show.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: You want me to tell you?
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this got the same TV I got.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: This nigga bought a hundred inch TV.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, look, watch this.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: No, watch this.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: No, watch this, watch this.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_00: Look, this is what I mean.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: Look, King, King, he's in it.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_00: See, look, he's not in the matrix.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, King, the matrix has him.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, listen, I got that from ECS for free.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_00: They give it to me.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: That it's programs that I told you to milk all the shit.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's programs of Frisco that pay your rent, that do this, do that.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: ECS via uh five keys owe me money on the back end with my furniture shit that my desk that I'm sitting at right now.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: This dope ass swivel chair that I got via Amazon.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's called good taste, nigga.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_00: When they let you shop, you get the shit that you want to get with their money, nigga.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_00: You feel me, yes.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yes, for real.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_00: I was born in this shit, bro.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I do.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: Would that's what I do, bro.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_00: Turn the lights up so you can understand what's going on.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'll be in that motion.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I do, bro.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: All right, you ready for the next topic?
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's talk.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go to the next topic, man.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_00: We got we got Hakeem on on this motherfucker, man.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: We gotta we gotta get a little deeper, man.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about this TED talk.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_00: Are we talking about this TED talk?
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let's talk about this TED talk.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_00: We can segue into that.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about this tier talk.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: For those that don't know what a tear talk is, I should have had a clip.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: For those that don't know, you must be hakeemed because I don't know.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_02: I thought I was the only one who didn't know.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: I ain't gonna lie, bro.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: I like I told you, it's damn near dope that you didn't know about it.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's damn near dope because you're gonna come in there with no fear, you know.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, but you're gonna come in, it's kind of almost broke.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know, sometimes a rookie comes in the league and tear it up, it's just because the nigga wouldn't, he didn't because he's so dumb, he's like so oblivious.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you're oblivious.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he didn't know he wasn't supposed to be that it's kind of it's kind of like Lonzo Ball.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if y'all know who Lonzo Ball is.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: He just he's shooting threes with one leg.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_02: It just wait, are you a basketball fan?
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I gotta go back to this.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_02: Are you a basketball fan?
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_02: I love basketball.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so listen, I'm gonna throw this out there then.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_02: My sister's an NBA referee.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_02: I traveled, she just sent me out her schedule.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_02: I think I'm my first game that I'm going to on the 23rd of this month is Boston in New York in Boston.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so what I was saying is that coming out your way, I'll be I'll tap in with you, bro.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_02: We can we can go to this big big big flex, though.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: Look, big flex big flex, you feel me?
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_02: You have seriously shout out to hold on, no, no, shout out to Sheree Mitchell, baby sis, NBA referee.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_02: When I was about to be homeless on my ass on the corner of Tropicana in Sunset of La Brea, or excuse me, Tropicana and Las Vegas Boulevard um in early 2021.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_02: Sis told me no come back out here to the bay, come live with me rent-free.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_02: I went back to work as a janitor at Safeway for two years, went back to school and transferred to Berkeley.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_02: So, shout out to sis.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_02: I would not be here um in this capacity if it were not for her.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_02: And that goes back to the healing and what it takes, right?
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_02: I live with my sister, man, my baby sister, who I love immensely.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_02: My niece and my nephew were there, right?
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_02: I was living in a nice neighborhood, I was broke as fuck, but I was at peace, man.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like able to think and and work on myself a little bit and go back to school, and I was dancing behind dumpsters in Safeway because I had never had a real job before, and I was making 16 bucks an hour, and I think my boss's name was Jose, and I was hella happy.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I had a little white 20-year-old kid picking me up from my job as a janitor and driving me to school because I didn't have a job, and I remember thinking when I was riding with him, damn, all I want is a reliable car.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, I grew up hustling with Mercedes and Range Rover.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_02: I like I used to have all that shit, and I realized that when I was coming home this time, that was part of my problem because I wasn't a Range Rover nigga at them times, and I was trying to speed up the process, and I needed to be okay.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know, the first car I got when I worked as a janitor for about a year was a Mazda 3, and I love that car.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_02: Shout out to Mazda 3, never gonna be no issue, you know what I'm saying?
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_02: No, for good old gas, listen to me.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_02: Push button, leather, leather seats.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't even tip the windows.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I used to be driving both hands on the window, quit playing, you know what I'm saying?
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_02: Commuting.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, man, I worked, I worked the process, brother, and I'ma take it a step further back.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's learning to not just work the process, but appreciate the process as you're working it.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: Appreciating being a janitor because I was a janitor and then I got a financial aid check and I had 300 bucks in my name and I got a$2,300 financial aid check and I was like, damn, this is working.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_02: This this process is working.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_02: Because there was a time when I would applied on somebody for 2300 bucks because I would have thought that it was a lot of money.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_02: Now I realize, like, you know, like no, right?
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_02: Like, but you have to be taught those things and experience those things.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: And this goes back to the positive black male and our pursuit of these types of things of us seeing our own humanity in each other and building each other up and collaborating and connecting and pal.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like on this we got motion.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: Come on, straight up.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_00: Look, look, that that's the shit.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's how you shoot.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's how you shoot.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_00: You go to the 10x nigga.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: Shoot like that.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's what we need.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_00: Rapid fire shit like that, bro.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out to the sis.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out to the sins.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_02: Look, the life, life froze is ass.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_02: Go ahead.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_01: No, but no, I'm excited.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm excited, man, about your tan talk, though.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: I got the tan talk app on all my TV.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_01: So I watched you.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_02: I can get you in.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what you what you're doing on November 10th.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_02: You want to come out?
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um, he's gonna be there too.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_02: If you want to get invited, I can get you uh I can email you a link and we can get you set up.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_02: So it's Delilah, just to give you a heads up, it's um it is Proximity for Justice is the TED Talk.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Delilah Cohen is the executive director.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_02: She actually worked on the Clinton um with the Clintons for like eight years.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_02: She's a big dog.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like she works with you know the cat that runs uh runs the head of corrections, and you know, she's she's really tapped in.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_02: So we can talk off, we can talk about it.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_02: But if that makes sense, you definitely got an invite, bruh, for sure.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate that.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I'm I'm always excited, man, to see one of our people do good things, man.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like so, one thing you said a couple minutes ago, one thing's gonna make us better as a whole, as a as a race of people is collaboration.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's like collect though, like we you got your strengths, I got my strengths, dub got his strengths.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: Collaborating and putting all those strengths together will always make sure that everybody's gonna win in their own way, and also, too, everybody's in different lanes.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_01: I always tell people, too, man, sometimes people will hate on you when y'all in the same lane doing the same thing.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_01: But if you work with people that you're not in the same lane in, it kind of lessens the hate because everybody playing their role and doing their different things.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: This person's the writer, this person's the light guy, this person's the audio engineer guy, this person's the photographer.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: You ain't got 10 photographers, so now it's not like, oh, now we hate on each other because it's 10 photographers, everybody play their role, everybody gonna win, man, every time.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm I'm gonna I'ma take it even something that I found, brother, from my own journey and my own inability to do this.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_02: Man, it actually gets me emotional because so you said collaborate, but I'm gonna use another word.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_02: We need to learn how to love again, right?
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_02: Like, like to look at somebody, I look at you and I see a black man says, like, and I'm like, oh, I love this brother.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like to genuinely understand, I mean, it took me a long time because here's the reality.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_02: I grew up being taught how to hate people that look like me, and subsequently how to hate myself.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_02: How do I how do I know that?
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_02: Because of the chances of the that I took, because of the way that I thought, because of what I was feeling and experiencing.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_02: And and because of what we started off talking about, the social construct aspect, that's what was supposed to happen to me.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_02: That's what was supposed to happen to me.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_02: The miracle is the now.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_02: The miracle is that I'm here now because I'll be honest, 98% of the cats that I left behind are still left behind.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_02: I I go into prisons and the jails and I see them.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_02: The the bounce back is not meant to happen, right?
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's not meant, right?
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_02: We we were taught how to hate one another.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_02: We were taught how to not be family oriented and be separated.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_02: Not going back to our origination.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_02: I'm talking about when we were brought here.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_02: We were taught how to, you know, like you said, look at each other.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_02: So like this has to be unlearned, but all that, it starts with love, man.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_02: And it starts with self- it starts with self-love, right?
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_02: Like I have to I have to know, like in the big scheme of life and things, I'm okay.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_02: If I die tonight, it's okay.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't want to die tonight.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_02: But what I'm saying is I do understand and I live my life in a way where it's like it's okay.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_02: And people around me will tell you, I used to be the type of person, bro, where I was really hard on myself, and I had this really big fear of, and it comes through all of my experiences with incarceration because when you're in and out of jail, you know, I had nice ass apartments with saltwater fish tanks and old school cars, I lose all that shit.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_02: My dad'll sell my cars, people get my furniture, and it happened new.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_02: I've had small businesses, but I was always straddling the fence, one foot in the game, one foot trying to be legit, and the and the bad part would always smack me on the head, you lose everything.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_02: I ended up on the run in Mexico.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um but you have to learn first and foremost, and I think this is what we get away with teaching, is that self-love and value of like just the like we all have this shared humanity.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I legit don't want to see you suffer, bro, because I've suffered so deeply where I felt like I didn't want to be alive, and I don't want anyone, particularly someone that looks like me, because I know that because of the social construct what they experience no matter what.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_02: I don't listen to me.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_02: I know I know black judges, shout out to the black judges that I know, and some of them when you get them in private settings and maybe with a little beverage in them, and you hear the stories, the trauma's still the same, brother.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_02: Black judge still, what what listen?
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's still social construct, he's still dealing with all them elements.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like and I don't know if you could hear um Nicea the whole time.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_02: Are you still able to hear?
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, my whole Wi-Fi.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, but I had no, but I had I had I had uh an earpiece and everything y'all was doing was play by play.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry to interrupt y'all, but Cal Wood nigga, love you, nigga.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_00: Keep rocking despite anything.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_00: Already know my already told my nigga Hakeem.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: That nigga he could he gonna he could take over the whole session and never stop.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_00: Love y'all for keep on going.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_00: Go, go, good though.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, we just got we just so the so the brother was bringing up a good point about how we need to collaborate, and he kind of broke it down, and then you know what stuck out to me and what I'm learning out here is like what's really missing is like the love, bro.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_02: Like, and and and and and and taking it a step further back from that, like the self-love, right?
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm I'm just gonna be honest.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_02: I had to reteach myself as a grown-ass man what it actually meant to love myself, and that meant like how I'm how I'm you know, what actions am I taking, what thoughts am I entertain entertaining, how am I presenting myself, right?
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, how am I feeling?
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like, how am I regulating my emotions and you know what am I pursuing as far as my purpose?
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_02: Do I actually love myself and am I showing that?
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_02: Because if that's not accurate and true, then and me saying that I'm you know loving others or that I it to me is it's fake as fuck.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's the matrix, right?
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's like you we gotta go back to like looking at another brother and being like, I mean Nice, I tell you, when I met him, I'll be honest, like I'd be trying to implant because I that darkness that I described, I've also experienced the I've won$30,000 fellowships, I'm a Haas scholar, I've researched the impacts of early childhood exposure to violence in urban communities and presented it to a bunch of people at Berkeley and got the standing ovation.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a dean scholar, I graduated at the top of my class, I'm a graduate at the top of my glat class in the my graduate program.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_02: I've created um diversion programs, I have a nonprofit in the acorn projects, I have a youth program that I got 16 youth in from all over Oakland, different backgrounds, and I was always that person, but the social construct sent me through this deep ass journey of pain, prison buses, prison buses driven off into the middle of nowhere, um, not being able to make a phone call for three months because you're on lockdown, six months, because you're on lockdown, no business, no choice, no voice because of something somebody else did.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_02: You want stripped down, asshole naked, um, um, put on somebody else's shit, come in your room, go through all your stuff, rip your pictures up.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_02: You want to talk about I I've represented myself in court because they were trying to give me 17 years and I got three instead, but I should have got zero because I didn't do what I was accused of.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_02: You want to talk to me about the social construct, right?
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_02: And my story is not special.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_02: My story from what I've learned and what I'm experiencing out here, what other people are dealing with, ain't shit.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, right.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_01: And also to add to that too, um, as far as like with what you've been through, I like what you what you're what you're what you've been through and what you're doing now, just like I like what dub is going through.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_01: I think one of the things, man, and we all know this, but a lot of people just don't say it.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think with the people who do the time behind the wall, if there were more programs to help these people with jobs, with resumes, with financial literacy, with getting their credit together, with showing them like getting housing.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_01: You get if you if they had enough programs for that, it'd be less robbing, it'd be less killing, it'd be less to me, less crime because you're giving people opportunities instead of giving them a ticket, putting them on a bus, saying, All right, man, you go here, you go parole over there, and then now you back in those environments around those same people who influence you to get and do those dumb decisions.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I look at it like this, bro.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_00: I love everything that y'all just said, and I really do love the passion, right?
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_00: At the end of the day, this is how I look at it.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we in the environment, especially out here, and I can't really speak on Detroit, even though Detroit is like our cousin to me, like Detroit and a Bay, uh, specifically Oakland.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like we really are like cousins when it comes to a lot of stuff.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_00: So when I look at it, right, you know, and I think, and and and excuse me if I'm jaded, right?
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_00: Hakeem right now is in a place we come from the same place where our origin story is similar, but he's but he's already gone through the gauntlet and the path that I'm trying to get to, right?
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_00: So when it's the each one, teach one, the steel sharp and steel mantra, the shit that we learned growing up, when you have to learn, when the OGs will hand you a book or something, nigga, sending two hours, come back with them.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, it was different, a different generation.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's like now you own you if you reach back too much, bro, and you try to take too many people with you, you'll end up like how Harriet Tubman was the first time she ran with her brothers and they took her ass back to the plantation, right?
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_00: They took her back to the plantation because they were scared to all that they was lost, and she had to leave without the ass.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_00: You can't free everybody.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes the program, it might be good for the funding, it might be good for whatever we're gonna do in a bigger scale, and it's great for our lifestyle.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_00: But it really is true that people like Hakeem, and to an extent, me, you gotta kind of sometimes look through the weeds like, okay, Bruh, my got it.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_00: The other nigga, he looked like he got it, but he's fool's goal, and a nigga will take you down.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_00: So you gotta be careful.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I hate to be that guy, right?
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_00: But my experience has told me, and that's why me and Hakeem kind of had a little we where we at now, we in a great place, but we kind of bumped his because we was both saying the same shit, but we was trying to over talk each other with it.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_00: You feel me?
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_00: We the same motherfucker, me and Wood, me and you would ain't never really been through nothing else like picking at each other, nothing like that, right?
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_02: That's just because he hasn't met you.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_02: We've been through what we've been through.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_02: He probably hasn't met you in person yet.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_02: That would probably change everything.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_00: You're right, but no, no, but I'm telling you, the way me and Wood operate, I ain't gonna lie, I don't think they got nothing to do with it because me, even over the airwaves, right?
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna tell you something, Kim, on some real shit.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_00: Now, now look, on some real shit, almost everything I built my businesses on from beats to with the music to uh to I'm talking about by multiple people to market and all that.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's been motherfuckers I met on the internet, right?
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_00: Somehow trusting and believed in the fuck where they fuck with me, whatever, and we done developed the people that be letting me down is the motherfuckers that be in my face.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's the great, yeah.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_01: And and also, too, Kim, me and Dub did go through something.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't we did.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_01: No, we did, though, we did.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_01: We did all say that.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for some thank you for some honesty on this live.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, we went through some, and I ain't gonna I I can't over the airways, I can't say too much.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'ma just say this.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_01: It was something that happened on his end that I was like, oh shit, this about to be some wine and sell rico shit.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_01: I gotta back away.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_00: I can say it, I can say it.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_00: Nigga, the fan stepped in, this nigga stepped out.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's what it was, nigga.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_00: The fan stepped in, nigga.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, y'all said, okay, okay.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't, I wasn't go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_01: I and I had nothing to do with nothing.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_01: But listen, when the nigga got when I got the hands on the discovery and I'm looking at this, I said, Oh shit, they're gonna come after me too.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_01: Hell no, and I'm not and I ain't gonna tell nobody, but I ain't do nothing, so let me moon walk.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm the marketing guy, let me so but but by but by but but by me not articulating that to him at that time, I know I made him feel I know I know he felt like I abandoned him, right?
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_03: Right at that moment.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_01: Let me tell you something.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_00: Let's clarify that look, Kim, you didn't brought up the real shit on this motherfucker today.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, listen.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_00: What it is, me personally, bro.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_00: Me personally, I didn't take it necessarily personal just because I remember a conversation we had when you was like, Hey, bruh, I know how to get this, this, and this nigga.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_00: Fuck it, you should just cut, right?
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_00: You feel me?
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm saying I'm like, even even my wife was like, You should just run.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, You pregnant?
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna run.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_00: Nigga, I ain't seen the curse of me.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_00: I've never seen a baby born.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's a curse of me.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm always in jail.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_00: Whenever somebody, something like I'm gonna thug it out, it's gonna be good, right?
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_00: So in my world, I looked at it like, who what nigga, what nigga wouldn't, what man, what street nigga wouldn't go, man?
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's hot over there.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gone.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gone.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I can always look at it like, look, bruh, you could have tried to feed me some donor back in, you're gonna try to, but at the end of the day, it is what it is.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_00: It just I don't, I just don't take shit like that personal.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_00: My thing was nigga, fuck what it was, what we doing today, what we're gonna do right now, how we're gonna make it right, nigga.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_00: Let's set this shit up and do it, bruv.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_00: It is what now look, I'm gonna let you know this.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_00: Wifey is the one that holds the grudges.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_00: So let me put my glasses on so I can see you.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_00: It don't matter what I'm on.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_00: You feel me?
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_00: Wifey is the one.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_00: If she feels about you, even if I forgive you, she's gonna constantly remind you of whatever she thinks you was.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_01: That ain't your wifey, that's just wifey's yeah, that's his wife.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_01: That that that you know what I'm saying?
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's that that's also her form of her.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's her that's her version of her bulletproof vest to protect you.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_00: Right, I'm telling you, because we already know, we already know in life.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_00: I watch this in life, I don't give a fuck with they fuck with Cal now.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_02: So they don't fuck with you before Cal.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what you said.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_02: That's wifey.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_00: That's wifey.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_00: So look, right?
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_00: So look, listen in our lives, though, in our lives, think about it though.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_00: Think about it in our lives from when you was a teenager to when you grown.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_00: Whenever a woman was saying a girl woman teenager was saying, I don't think you should do that.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_00: That ain't cool.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_00: That nigga really won't show spot.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_00: He's a bitch ass nigga, bruh ain't cool.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_00: Don't go.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_00: How many times a nigga went to jail?
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_00: How many times that nigga end up being a wreck?
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_00: Bruh through lifetime, come on, that's universal.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_02: Two good jail sentences because I'm not listening to those moments.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_00: Come on, bro.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think I got two or three too for sure.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_02: I had to jump in.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_02: Look, I drove to Reno in the middle of the night from Sacramento to sell some dope because I got into an argument.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_02: I had to jump in the rent in the river at two in the morning because the police was at the bus station.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_02: When I'm just saying, I have two for show that led to catastrophe.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_01: So my nigga Ken that can swim, man.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_01: They think they say black people can't.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_01: I can swim too, man.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_01: Shout out to niggas that can swim, man.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_02: What listen?
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_02: If you got nine zips on you, if you got nine zips on you, you can swim.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_02: Hey nigga, you got nine zips.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_03: You're gonna turn Michael Phillips.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_03: You can swim.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, look, but to the TED Talk.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_00: No, look, that's when you know it's a good conversation, bro.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_00: We haven't we having a good conversation.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_00: I hate that my wife I did what it did because I'm on my phone now and I'm not on a laptop.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_00: On a laptop, I'm much more interactive, but it's good that you set a stage, right?
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_00: At the end of at the end of the day, this TED Talk coming up.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's a great opportunity.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_00: You are summoned and beckoned for this opportunity.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I like to feel like I hear what you think.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, go ahead.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_02: I just want to tell briefly how that happened.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_02: So, shout out to Underground Scholars, UC Berkeley.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_02: That's what changed my life and got my trajectory on to education.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_02: I was in solitary confinement, level four prison yard, and I got a brochure for underground scholars, man.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_02: That kind of sparked my curiosity.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_02: So, throughout this journey of all the stuff we've kind of talked about, man, I've had some amazing opportunities.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_02: I've testified in front of the Senate several times on solitary confinement.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_02: I worked closely with um several politicians and assembly people, chiefs of probation, directors of organizations.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's great.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_02: So I had the opportunity recently with a um with a colleague of mine to go back into Soledad and do a four-day workshop.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, there were 30 um lifers, and I think two of them weren't lifers, but they had like very high sentences, like 45 plus years.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_02: A couple of the men were on their way home and just mushing a bunch of information into the story.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_02: I was also able to, after these workshops, testify um and write letters of support for a few of these men to go to their boards, and two of them are coming home um in January of this coming year, hopefully to UC Berkeley and Underground Scholars.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_02: So stay tuned for that.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_02: So, because of that and because of the buzz that happened at Soledad Prison after that, um yeah, they reached out to me, man.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like some some some people from the prison in the education department reached out to me and kind of dropped the idea of the request, and then Delaya Cohen from um Proximity for Justice reached out to me.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_02: Now, here's the thing because I didn't know what a TED talk was.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um of course I agreed to it because I don't leave nothing on the table.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_02: And I'll be honest, I talked about what Berkeley teaches you, but what Berkeley has also taught me, and I mean this like so organically, is that I can do anything.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I mean, I get up, I get up at five in the morning.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm I'm in my office in San Francisco at seven.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have to be there till nine.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sending out emails, I'm doing different things, and and I'm not saying that like in a way, like, oh, I'm saying it because I don't leave nothing on the table.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_02: Because like I tell my young people, wait, is it hard being homeless or is it hard going to school?
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I look at it like, oh, it's hard being broke, it's hard.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like, so I I love the grind.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_02: I appreciate you know the eight o'clock meetings and the because I know what hard really looks like looking through that little sliver of a window, waiting for a motherfucker to walk by real quick so you can get a request for him to go to the doctor, nigga.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_02: Because you didn't have a toothache for three days and you in the shoe and can't get out the cell.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_02: That's hard, right?
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_02: So that's that's how I perceive it and look at it.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_02: So they reached out to me and I agreed.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_02: Now, what I didn't know since I didn't know what it was, was that you know it's a whole thing, and that the people that are doing it also have been preparing for six months, and I've got 30 days.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, I didn't know that, I didn't know that.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I just found out today, and I talked to her again today because I wanted to ask about some of the arrangements, and I'll talk to you about uh the hotel thing.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_02: We could talk later today or tomorrow, but it's all good.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so yeah, so they've been preparing for six months.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_02: And I also didn't know, like, so I have to submit to her my rough draft by Monday because it's in a prison, she has to kind of it's like a whole thing.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like that's another thing.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, let's talk about that for a minute.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_00: What they don't know in them TED Talks, bro.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even know what we should be talking about, but at the end of the day, it's crazy that when we see motherfuckers talking on the prison level, this shit gotta be vetted basically to the word was you can't well you know the and you know this, hold on, and you know this because he sat in on the meeting with me when I when I spoke with him, right?
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_00: Bro, it's like you can't go like let's say he was in solitary confinement in in uh in Pelican Bay State Prison, which is a notorious prison in the country for solitary confinement, right?
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_00: Pelican Bay shoot is it's it's it's historic for gang shit, for for for for for brutalism, for all of that.
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_00: And it's crazy that he's been in solitary confinement, but when he starts talking about a chamber in story, the word came up that, oh yeah, you can't talk down about the oppressor.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's what it is.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_00: And look, that's the matrix.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_00: You can't talk down, you can't talk down.
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_00: Basically, you can't tell your story.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_00: If you were brutalized, if you felt if a CO fucked you over or some shit came down on your ass, basically, hey, we don't want to talk about that.
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_00: We don't want to know about that.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's all think about it.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_00: That could be a chamber of your story that that made you that that helped you to persevere to who you are today.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like without that part of the story, it's really like a hole.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying for you, I'm saying it could be a hole in your heart, right?
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm just saying, but the truth about the matrix is that we have these choices, right?
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_02: The blue or the red pill.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_02: Now, I can tell I can tell that same story that you're describing with all that truth in it.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_02: It just won't be at the TED Talk in the prison.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's the truth.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's the truth.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, I could I could tell it on here, and you'll let me go at it.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_02: I just won't be doing it.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_02: I just won't be doing it.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_02: You know, so so you're not going to be able to do that.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_01: So you're still not so you're still not restricted because you still got several outlets to still be able to tell a hundred and fifty percent.
• 1:06:50
  SPEAKER_01: I like Cal.
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's that mark, brother.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_00: He's gonna be able to always gonna reinforce.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_00: He ain't gonna, he a nigga that'll never give up.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_00: You feel me?
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_00: That's why I like a real funny looking motherfucker, but he he got it though.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_00: He'll be a little weird-looking motherfucker, man.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_00: Sneaker got it, man.
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_00: Sneaker boy.
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_02: No, uh no, that's real shit, bro.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's real.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_02: So going to do the TED talk.
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_02: I already started working on it.
• 1:07:13
  SPEAKER_02: The theme is our shared humanity.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_02: Uh my story, my story is the journey of one of my court dates where um I poured my heart out to a judge, um, and he basically told me that I was a lost cause doing life on the installment plan.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then just that journey, kind of what we described about shared humanity, because although, you know, based on what he saw on paper at that time, it would be unfair to say that he was wrong, but he saw paper and not the person.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_02: Like he didn't see all the shit that we're describing that a nigga had been through, right?
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_02: And take that into consideration.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and that and here's the thing, here's the thing our social construct, we have to and we have to be honest and clear about this, y'all.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_02: Our social construct is not designed to see us.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_02: We have three black men that I see on this call, it's not designed to see us in that way.
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_02: Like we have to be clear, we have to be clear on that.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of people don't know things like this.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_02: Don't you know that after emancipation, when how you're describing uh when the when the slaves were free, do you know that there were four years where our American government very intentionally was trying to figure out a way to send blacks back to Africa?
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_02: Because what they were discussing was was, well, shit, if we can't get free labor off these motherfuckers, we don't want them here.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, right, we have to we have to understand that they used to eat our flesh.
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_02: We used to we have to understand that they had public events where lynching was um uh a part of you know the culture, and it was acceptable.
• 1:08:44
  SPEAKER_02: We have to understand, we have to understand that the pol the first police force were slave catchers, the badges are the same.
• 1:08:56
  SPEAKER_00: And even to go a little step further in that, but understand it right now.
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_00: I just read an article on how certain hair weaves and wigs and insulation of chemicals in China that they sell from China, they don't allow their citizens, the women over there, to sell that shit to their own citizens, and it's creating fibroids, cancers, and all kinds of shit.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_00: And who's wearing that, right?
• 1:09:16
  SPEAKER_00: So they got 500 ways to kill a nigga slowly though.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'm saying the professionals in the shit in the matrix.
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm telling them people, and it's not just white people, we identify the devil as the white people, but it's it's it's the it's the crew of people that's above all of us.
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_00: We don't know who they are that's controlling everything.
• 1:09:35
  SPEAKER_00: They pit us again.
• 1:09:37
  SPEAKER_00: The Bible told you that when they built the tower of Babel, they built the tower of Babel to get to God, right?
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_00: God destroyed the tower of Babel and said, Hey, you'll never be like me.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_00: What the fuck is wrong with you?
• 1:09:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm about to separate y'all by language, right?
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_00: Now, at this point, you think language is you know Spanish versus English versus whatever else, but language is even when we're talking, I could be talking to you and playing English and you know it, but you don't understand me because you have no cognition.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_00: You can't you don't even understand me because you can't relate to what I'm on, and bruh, that's what I mean by this shit goes so deep that slavery right now is it's less physical and more mental.
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_02: Definitely more mental and Fred Hampton, Fred Hampton, they would not let just real quick, they would not let anybody join, they would not let anybody join their organization without going through at least a six-week political orientation.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_02: And his reasoning was was that you can't know what the why you're doing what you're doing if you don't understand, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_02: Like if you're not educated on at least the base, like have an understanding of the basic shit.
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_02: And today, like you're saying, right, most people don't even have that, right?
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_00: Real quick, what real quick with Fred Hampton?
• 1:10:50
  SPEAKER_00: Fred Hampton, we could Malcolm, we could look at it.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_00: Fred Hampton was only what like 22, 23, or something like that, right?
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_00: His he was so powerful that I from the a lot of shit spawned from him getting murdered.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like you got to understand, bro, when you really got a real message, your power goes out.
• 1:11:07
  SPEAKER_00: Look, I was got an Xfinity message saying my Wi-Fi, sit down.
• 1:11:12
  SPEAKER_00: Mind you, I'm the keeper.
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well, one thing that they don't understand is that because me and Wood log into this shit jointly, even if I fade out, would could keep the stream going.
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_00: So they thought they fucked me, but I'm on data, bitch.
• 1:11:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm able to rock the phone for X-finity.
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's good, niggas, what we do.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm telling you, bro, the matrix and the algorithm will speak to you in ways.
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_00: When you talk about me and Cal Wood get on here and bust about bullshit two or three times a week.
• 1:11:37
  SPEAKER_00: Entertainment, too.
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_00: Look, we we on we on a panel with a scholar.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_00: We just was 11 deep live.
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_00: You have to understand on pick YouTube, the live because we get a lot of our screens um afterward when we go to Buzz Sprats, we put our shit our podcast and all that shit, right?
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_00: But right now, the message when you're trying to get out a real message, I don't give a fuck to the 11 people, nigga.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_00: You might be freeing the slaves.
• 1:11:57
  SPEAKER_00: They don't want you to get it out, bro.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_00: The shit is real, bro.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_00: Go ahead, bro.
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, and also I'm gonna say two things.
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_01: Speaking of Fred Hampton, man, they was it was also talking about how the FBI wrote a fake letter from a rival gang member to get him assassinated.
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, that was like the stuff that they was doing, right?
• 1:12:19
  SPEAKER_01: And then back to emancipation.
• 1:12:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna say this.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_01: I I we gotta I gotta code this because language is everything.
• 1:12:27
  SPEAKER_01: The same people, the same people who start with a J who funded slavery.
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder why they didn't pay for the boat to send people back to Africa.
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_01: Because those are the same people who got them people to go, the low-level white people to go get the black people to Africa.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_01: They love to throw hands and they love to throw rocks and hide their hands, but that's a whole other story.
• 1:12:49
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna keep it like that.
• 1:12:52
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, look, and look, and just so you know, like shit, like when we say shit like unalived, what's another word?
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_00: What unalived?
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um what's another word?
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_00: Pew pew.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, oh yeah, um, yeah.
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you you can only you gotta code the language on these live streams because if you don't, they'll shadow ban you, or they'll take you down, or your shit'll never hit the real algorithm, yeah.
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_00: You feel me?
• 1:13:17
  SPEAKER_00: So, like when you're talking about the J's, you say the use, you know.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_00: Say you said to use because you can't say the J.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, but look, even that, bro.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm on TikTok.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_00: When I'm on TikTok, you rock it, it will break down what you're talking about.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_00: They're talking about Fred Hampton and the Black Map movement, about why we're talking about it in real time, and then they'll block you because TikTok only wants you to have fun.
• 1:13:37
  SPEAKER_00: If you're talking about some two serious uh conspiracy theories about the government and the Epstein files, that's crazy.
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_02: And we're headed, we're headed to a dictatorship, bro.
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_02: That's a fact.
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_02: We're in it.
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_02: I just we're in a minute, we're in it.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't want to, yeah.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_01: I just got a copyright strike on one of these out on one of these apps because I I uh talked about a video about uh Andrew Tate in his case not saying he did what he did or not, but they do have evidence of a little underage person walking up to him and performing acts.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_01: So what I was they hit me with a copyright strike so fast, and it wasn't even graphic.
• 1:14:19
  SPEAKER_01: So you gotta we can't we gotta go.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_01: We gotta say transformer, we can't say you gotta say essay, essay.
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out to the comments, are you saying yeah, bro?
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_00: But again, all of it look so look, so look, look, this is what I was gonna say to you, King.
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_00: Whenever you want to jump on here, we on here every Friday for show, right?
• 1:14:43
  SPEAKER_00: Every Friday, we got motions on free but not free, is just on standalone podcast.
• 1:14:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'll do that whenever.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, me and me and me and Wood, we got a 10 clip a day challenge that we got going on, but also because we both be hella busy, we just jump on sometime solo.
• 1:14:58
  SPEAKER_00: What I'm telling you is whether you got if you want to talk about some books.
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'm talking between I'm speaking for me and Cal Wood.
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever you want to do to jump on, if you want to, you might want to jump what y'all on.
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_00: Jump, we might be talking about some entertainment shit.
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_00: Really, we have more topics about the state of the game and all that.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_00: I told you, bro, we've been on like an hour and 20, right?
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_00: You feel me?
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's the dope conversation.
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm telling you right now, giving you the honorary guest, whenever you want to jump on.
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_00: You feel me?
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_00: We we call them a mind.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_00: You could be a mind, you could jump in this motherfucker whenever you want to.
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_00: If you're like, Dub, nigga, I need to promote this book.
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_00: Nigga, we need to talk about a 10x, nigga.
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_00: I need to jump on.
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's good.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_00: You feel me?
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate it.
• 1:15:32
  SPEAKER_00: My body's your audience, man.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_00: So, what I do want to ask you though, we ask this every we act, all the guests we ask this, right?
• 1:15:38
  SPEAKER_00: Every week, man, we ask this, but we ask each other.
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_00: So the name of the podcast, we got motion, right?
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_00: What I want to ask you, what we want to ask you is who do you feel like got motion right now?
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm saying I pretty much know you're gonna say, right?
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_00: Who do you feel like got motion right now when it comes to the game and to the like to the streets, to the game, to the to the world, to the world of education, whatever.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_00: Who got motion right now?
• 1:16:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm the only one I see that got motion, right?
• 1:16:04
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm trying to I'm trying to bring a lot of people.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm trying to bring a lot of people.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, I'm trying to bring the whole crew with me.
• 1:16:11
  SPEAKER_03: But I'm gonna say it like so answer.
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_00: I thought you said that.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_00: Hold on, my bad, you fucked me up.
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_00: I thought you said wood and supposed.
• 1:16:21
  SPEAKER_00: Go ahead, my bad, bruh.
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_00: So you got motion.
• 1:16:23
  SPEAKER_00: Go ahead.
• 1:16:23
  SPEAKER_00: Let me hear that shit.
• 1:16:24
  SPEAKER_00: Let me let me hear why.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_00: Why you got motion?
• 1:16:26
  SPEAKER_00: Let me hear that shit.
• 1:16:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, and and what it and and the reason I say that is because that's the only motion that I focus on, right?
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_02: I and and one of my one of my philosophies is is that I live the life I see, right?
• 1:16:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like um, I'm happy because I choose to be happy, right?
• 1:16:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I think about all the dope shit that I have because I think about the dope shit that I have.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I could think about a lot of other shit that would take me in a different direction, right?
• 1:16:53
  SPEAKER_02: I choose to live the life that I see.
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_02: Like I walk onto my balcony and I say, damn, I'm grateful as fuck.
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_02: I'm happy.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_02: I got motion because nigga, I wake up hella morning with purpose.
• 1:17:06
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
• 1:17:09
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, and for me, that's what it is, you know.
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_02: So uh yeah, that's my answer to that.
• 1:17:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I and I'm not knocking nobody else's motion.
• 1:17:17
  SPEAKER_02: I ain't for sure.
• 1:17:18
  SPEAKER_02: I ain't knocking nobody else's motion.
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_00: Nah, nah, nigga, nah, nah.
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes, sometimes, bro, you know, even though me and you had, you know, we was talking, right?
• 1:17:26
  SPEAKER_00: Bro, you know, a lot of times, bro, if you don't got self-confidence, if you don't know what you want, I'm talking about from a woman to your kids to whatever, bro.
• 1:17:36
  SPEAKER_00: As a man, sometimes you do have to be single-minded, especially when people might be like, that ain't gonna work.
• 1:17:43
  SPEAKER_00: Because people, you can tell people your dreams, bruh, and they'll talk you out of it because they fear they'll fear this because they wouldn't do this, and next thing you know, you'd be like, damn, maybe I can't do it.
• 1:17:52
  SPEAKER_00: So, nah, fuck that.
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_00: If you know you got motion and you know you fuck with it, I stamp that.
• 1:17:58
  SPEAKER_00: I approve that.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_00: Plus, I'm with you five days a week.
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_02: Couple things I want to highlight about what you just said, and I mentioned all the books that I've read.
• 1:18:07
  SPEAKER_02: I've read some books by Marcus Garvey.
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_02: I I read a lot of leadership books from like um CEOs and Fortune 500s and just successful people in general.
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um and the reality is that human beings are designed to be selfish, and we have made that a negative word, right?
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_02: The reality is, is that I've always been a helper.
• 1:18:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like right now, since I'm more successful than I've ever been, I can help in ways that I've never been able to help before, like, you know, money and resources and things like that.
• 1:18:43
  SPEAKER_02: But I've always tried to help by way of the ways that I could help at that time.
• 1:18:48
  SPEAKER_02: But the truth of the matter is, is that I wasn't, I didn't have the capacity to help in the ways that actually helped.
• 1:18:54
  SPEAKER_02: And me trying to help somebody in the way that I thought helped wasn't really what they needed, right?
• 1:19:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um so I think I think for me, like being in this space now and being like, oh, I can actually help in meaningful ways is what matters.
• 1:19:10
  SPEAKER_02: But that being said, is that my purpose and what I'm on and my motion is what matters to me.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_02: And and everything else, right?
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_02: Well, there'll be things that happen along the way, and yes, I will go to basketball games and do podcasts and live streams and TED talks, but the motion and the purpose, I can assure you, is always um clear and and I have boundaries around what I will allow in my realm based on that, right?
• 1:19:42
  SPEAKER_02: Like, um, even with all the love and even with all the wanting to you know accept this and you know contribute and bring what nigga, I will shut shit down.
• 1:19:52
  SPEAKER_02: I did six years in solitary, right?
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like, and I I'm more blessed now than I've ever been.
• 1:19:58
  SPEAKER_02: I don't need anything, I'm grateful as fuck, and I'm clear on that.
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_02: So therefore, I don't have a lot of you said it earlier, Nasea.
• 1:20:05
  SPEAKER_02: You like, I don't have a lot of room for this the noise on the outside of what you know.
• 1:20:10
  SPEAKER_02: I got a few minutes here and there to deal with, right?
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_02: Help you, and but other than that, I don't have the space for the noise.
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_00: Nah, I don't got the bandwidth.
• 1:20:19
  SPEAKER_00: I don't got the bandwidth, bro.
• 1:20:21
  SPEAKER_00: Nah, I understand you.
• 1:20:23
  SPEAKER_00: Now, nah, I understand you.
• 1:20:25
  SPEAKER_00: Look, and I'm gonna let I'm gonna let Wood tell me who he thinks got motion, but I I want to tell you before I go there before I even sign us off.
• 1:20:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm gonna sign us off, but like King, bro.
• 1:20:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, some of the niggas I ever got the most coolest with, I fought them.
• 1:20:40
  SPEAKER_00: We we had physical fights and we ended up being best friends from elementary school to whatever.
• 1:20:45
  SPEAKER_00: As grown, damn near, I'm damn near 50, you 50.
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, geez.
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_00: Now we don't gotta do that no more.
• 1:20:50
  SPEAKER_00: We can fuck around and just get a sense of each other after we kind of lurk around each other and figure it out.
• 1:20:55
  SPEAKER_00: As a as a as a you know, even though I say race ain't real, but as a brother, a person who looks like me, that I could I don't look up to nobody, but somebody can look to aspire to be when it comes to the grind, when it comes to getting up every morning, to sometimes get up in the morning, like, oh, what is that feeling?
• 1:21:11
  SPEAKER_00: Why does my back doing that?
• 1:21:13
  SPEAKER_00: Who hold on, wait.
• 1:21:14
  SPEAKER_00: I thought that you feel me, but still doing it anyway, nigga.
• 1:21:17
  SPEAKER_00: You motherfucking right, you got motion.
• 1:21:19
  SPEAKER_00: Stay pushing that envelope.
• 1:21:21
  SPEAKER_00: Would so I appreciate that.
• 1:21:22
  SPEAKER_00: Wood, who got motion this week?
• 1:21:23
  SPEAKER_00: Who got who got motion to you this week?
• 1:21:25
  SPEAKER_00: Wood now.
• 1:21:26
  SPEAKER_01: This is gonna be a little different, man.
• 1:21:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think uh who got motion this week is all of us, right?
• 1:21:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm gonna tell you why.
• 1:21:33
  SPEAKER_01: Back to a previous conversation we had about about 40 minutes ago.
• 1:21:38
  SPEAKER_01: To be black, then and you and obviously dub you the problem.
• 1:21:43
  SPEAKER_01: Because we have problems with you, and it ain't go, it ain't go to violence, it didn't go to you know I'm saying uh taking my brother from his family or my own family and able to figure it out.
• 1:21:59
  SPEAKER_01: More black men need to be like this.
• 1:22:02
  SPEAKER_01: They if we can have a problem, we can almost fight, we can maybe fight, whatever it is, but still figure it out, still love each other, and still want to see each other, sort of win.
• 1:22:12
  SPEAKER_01: So this week, nigga, we all got motion, nigga.
• 1:22:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's right, right for sure.
• 1:22:17
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:22:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I love that.
• 1:22:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm I'm gonna hit y'all with the last, I'm gonna take my glasses off, just so we understand.
• 1:22:23
  SPEAKER_00: I like this is a serious moment.
• 1:22:24
  SPEAKER_00: I it's it's almost like it's almost poetic that I'm on here with my my brethren, right?
• 1:22:33
  SPEAKER_00: Who got motion to me this week is my gammy, who passed away this morning at six in the morning.
• 1:22:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh my gammy is like was the strongest woman I knew in my life.
• 1:22:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's my my my my my pops, moms, my fraternal grandmother fought all the way to the end, was on hospice the last four days.
• 1:22:57
  SPEAKER_00: So shout out to Gammy, you got motion, right?
• 1:22:59
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to get emotional.
• 1:23:01
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out to Gammy.
• 1:23:02
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out to Gammy, bro.
• 1:23:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't want to get emotional, I don't want to get emotional, but I just want to I just want the world, our orbit, our matrix to understand.
• 1:23:13
  SPEAKER_00: The reason why Gammy got motion to me is because anybody that's like me knows that the strong women of your life is who gave you the most influence.
• 1:23:25
  SPEAKER_00: They the ones who have pops might have gave you this and gave you that if you had him, unc might have gave you this, if it wasn't pops, whatever.
• 1:23:32
  SPEAKER_00: But your grandmothers, your aunties, and your moms was the one who gave you the sauce, right?
• 1:23:38
  SPEAKER_00: My gammy was the ultimate sauce giver, right?
• 1:23:42
  SPEAKER_00: And talking to my brothers and like to most men out there, I'm like a dude that like when for whatever I've done in my life, when it comes to violence and gangster shit, murder and and and and and shooting and all that shit, nigga, I'm front line.
• 1:23:57
  SPEAKER_00: And this iteration of me, when it comes to entrepreneurship, school, education, media, I'm front line.
• 1:24:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm I'm nigga, what it's me, nigga, I'm the boss.
• 1:24:07
  SPEAKER_00: This is what I do.
• 1:24:08
  SPEAKER_00: But when it comes to like hospitals, death, and I I shrink.
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_00: I don't I don't know what to do.
• 1:24:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like I might not even be on time.
• 1:24:25
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta assign me to a task.
• 1:24:27
  SPEAKER_00: So anybody that's out there that if you got somebody in your life, smile, sis, bruh, friend, and and y'all ain't communicating, y'all ain't hollering, y'all ain't tapping in, and and and it ain't it ain't, you don't really know why, make it happen.
• 1:24:41
  SPEAKER_00: Do it, go tap in, speak on it, forgive, rock with it.
• 1:24:47
  SPEAKER_00: You feel me?
• 1:24:48
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you don't, you might lit a regret.
• 1:24:51
  SPEAKER_00: You you might you you might really lit a regret that you didn't, right?
• 1:24:55
  SPEAKER_00: And like me and uh uh uh Akin was talking about earlier with his pops, right?
• 1:25:03
  SPEAKER_00: If you don't really get it together, if you really don't understand what's going on, uh you can miss a whole lifetime of opportunities, like and not really understand it.
• 1:25:12
  SPEAKER_00: So to me, that's who got motion.
• 1:25:14
  SPEAKER_03: That's what's up, man.
• 1:25:15
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out to Gammy, shout out to Gammy.
• 1:25:17
  SPEAKER_01: No, definitely shout out to Gammy, man.
• 1:25:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I want to also say one more thing, one more thing.
• 1:25:21
  SPEAKER_01: I know you're about to silence off, Doug.
• 1:25:22
  SPEAKER_01: One more thing because you brought up his dad and then situation with your dad.
• 1:25:27
  SPEAKER_01: I also realized it's some so is it's hard for me to stay mad at certain family members and certain individuals because I had to realize what they went through, they done went through some shit to become the person that they was, even if they snaked me out in a certain situation.
• 1:25:44
  SPEAKER_01: So I've I've been more forgiving and been giving a lot of people more grace.
• 1:25:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:50
  SPEAKER_01: But it's one person that I ain't giving no grace to.
• 1:25:57
  SPEAKER_01: Because Uncle Ricky, you stole my 64 and my foo boo, and you sold my shit, so I can't give you no grace, but I still love you, nigga.
• 1:26:05
  SPEAKER_01: We out this bitch.
• 1:26:06
  SPEAKER_01: Silence up, duh.
• 1:26:08
  SPEAKER_00: Next time, it's all love, man.
• 1:26:10
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what's going on with the technical difficulties.
• 1:26:13
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate the world.
• 1:26:15
  SPEAKER_02: Tap in now, let me know where I can see this at and view it later and all the stuff.
• 1:26:18
  SPEAKER_02: So let me know what I need to do.
• 1:26:19
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I'm I'm a little inept when it comes to got you.
• 1:26:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be everywhere.
• 1:26:23
  SPEAKER_01: YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcast.
• 1:26:26
  SPEAKER_01: We we got you, brother.
• 1:26:27
  SPEAKER_02: And then Calwood, let's connect through and I say let's talk about, yeah, for sure.
• 1:26:32
  SPEAKER_02: Let's talk about some things offline.
• 1:26:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna send you the link, bro.
• 1:26:35
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, listen.
• 1:26:36
  SPEAKER_00: Matter of fact, answer the phone right now, but a call on the three-way, so we can have a conference call.
• 1:26:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's all love.
• 1:26:41
  SPEAKER_00: We got motion podcasts with Peter Cal Wood, special guest Haking.
• 1:26:45
  SPEAKER_00: You already know every Friday s we meet up.
• 1:26:47
  SPEAKER_00: You might catch us on a weekday.
• 1:26:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's all love, man.
• 1:26:50
  SPEAKER_00: We got motion podcasts, we out.
• 1:26:56
  SPEAKER_03: That was a great episode, guys.