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Know the Enemy: Marshall · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  And welcome back to the Boundary Corner Podcast along with my
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  partners Brian Siegler, Jonathan Talley, and Shelton Moss.
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  I am Curtis Wilson in this episode is brought to you by
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  Doctor Jeremy Cats down at the Main Street Pharmacy in
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  Blacksburg. Your friendly neighborhood
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  pharmacy located at 301 S Main St. in Blacksburg.
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  We all throwing all off here. Last week we were Wednesday
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  night. We ain't done Tuesday in two
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  weeks. Shelters back.
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  It's Monday, boys, and it's been a long, long weekend.
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  We have not done a Monday night episode and I cannot remember
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  how long, man. Monday Night Raw, baby.
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  Monday Night Raw. It's going to be RAW.
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  We got a little double feature on the screen back here.
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  Got a little double feature? Prayers up to Nick Chub.
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  Man, I went in. Oh God, yeah.
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  I went in, looked. I did.
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  That's not good. And that stinks for him.
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  Yeah, not great at all. Yeah.
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  Prayers up to him. Prayers up for the fantasy
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  owners that have him because I know some of y'all in big dollar
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  leagues and y'all took him in the first round, so you know
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  you'll lose your money now. But y'all, we got a ton to
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  unload obviously. We're going to talk about the
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  Rutgers game, we're going to talk about knowing the enemy and
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  Marshall and everything in between real quick as usual, I
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  kick off the episode, hashtag rally for Robbie.
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  Again, it's another away game, so go down to the pharmacy then
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  most 7 bucks get this in support of a great call.
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  Shout out Grayson out on the West Coast real quick before we
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  get into discussing the Rutgers game.
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  There was a decommitment that anybody that knew anything.
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  When the kid got the offer, he was going to be gone.
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  And that's Eric Mensa flipping to Ohio State.
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  Everybody that looked into that, anybody that knew any committed,
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  basically it was said right. I know we talked about it.
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  All four of us were on conversations about it.
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  If he gets Ohio State, he's gone.
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  The whole hope is they land one of their bigger DT's, you know,
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  some top 100 player and they leave him alone, but
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  unfortunately they didn't. Right.
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  Yeah, that was the concern at the gate.
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  Like, we knew, all right, we knew that Virginia Tech was
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  probably a settle selection because he had his eyes on Ohio
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  State. He hadn't gotten a committable
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  offer at that time. He wanted to make sure that he
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  had a spot somewhere and a boat that that that was of his
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  choosing and not having to go with slim pickings at the end of
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  the cycle. We were that choice, Ohio State
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  said. Come on in the boat and here's
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  where we are guys. Yeah, definitely.
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  Big time, you know, big time loss because I feel like the
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  trenches is what we need both sides of the ball.
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  So to lose a defensive lineman, I don't know what they're going
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  to put him at, but big guy like that, definitely not a easy pill
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  to swallow, but like you said, Curtis, kind of.
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  Expected from the beginning because it's just what we are as
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  a program right now. We've got some building to do so
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  we can hold on to kids like that and fight off those big program,
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  but at this point we are who we are.
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  Yep. Anything additional to add on
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  this Shelton or you know? Nope.
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  I'll have to get to the once. That's how it goes.
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  So. Gotta keep.
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  Gotta keep moving on and just keep finding a way to develop
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  them. Yes, it is.
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  All right. Well boys, that's all we got.
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  In sort of the news and notes section, I pulled something out
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  of there because we're going to talk about it later, but let's
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  talk about it. It's to tell the truth.
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  Tuesday, Monday Night Edition Hokies Fall 2, Rutgers, 3516.
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  One of those I told CIGLA watching this game.
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  Then Cigla got up with the families, grilled some burgers
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  out, had a good time. Smash burgers.
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  Wrong point. Burgers were on point Y'all
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  y'all don't know that that's man can cook smash burgers on his
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  griddle. We we partaked in two me and him
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  did grubbed down to yeah but I told Brian my first thought on
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  this game was pit last year. Similar vibes of they got out on
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  us. We clawed back.
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  We're right there. We need one good thing to happen
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  and then the wheels fell off and we're going to talk about the
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  wheels falling off, but we're going to talk about that.
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  Some things did go well. That's what we start with.
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  We start with the positives, What went well?
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  And Brian, I'll let you, I'll let you kick it off on the
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  offensive side of the ball. What is the one thing that we
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  know went well? Well, it's been a hot fucking
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  topic on the timeline, but drones proved he's quarterback
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  one. That's what happened.
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  If you're looking at what Tyler Bowen wants to do from a
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  schematic standpoint on offense, Drones gives us the most
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  complete version of that. Of the quarterbacks that we have
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  on the roster right now that are ready to play, Drones gives us
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  the most complete version of that, and we saw it.
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  We saw it come to fruition with the way we were able to generate
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  a somewhat competent rushing attack against the best rush
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  defense we've we've played so far this season and a very good
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  rush defense. And I didn't other than maybe
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  some and then we'll talk about this.
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  Some of the explosive plays, I didn't really see a drop off in
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  terms of passing efficiency, very.
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  Wells edged game, you know, like it was like it wasn't, you know,
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  didn't blow me away with numbers as far as what he did.
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  And I think 1 touchdown, 1 interception, 19 for 30 or 19
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  for 31, something like that, 190 yards.
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  Like you said, no, no drop off. You carry the ball 22 times
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  though for like 75 yards. We haven't seen that in a while
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  and and it just to me looked like plays were different when
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  he was in there, you know, and I can say the kid was trying, he's
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  got a lot of stuff to work on. But I can say the kid was in
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  there giving it his all. He left it on the field and I
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  think that the more that he gets comfortable.
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  Playing with his guys and and running that offense, I think
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  you can only get better. You know, that's just me.
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  That's what I see. That's what I seen watching the
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  game. I didn't see somebody who was,
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  you know, kind of timid and scared to, you know, make a
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  play. Now we had some excuse.
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  Of course I know everybody know that.
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  We got to tell the truth. Tell the truth to stay Monday
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  night raw, whatever you want to call it.
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  Yeah, we can't. We can't turn the ball over
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  first play of the game, but. I think you got to go with him
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  the rest of the year. Yeah, Sean, what you get, you
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  get anything from a data point that kind of said, OK, here's
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  where we were. I don't even want to say the
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  first two weeks. To me ODU is G5.
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  We played two Power Five teams back-to-back.
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  Yes, they are different, but what?
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  What sort of data points are we seeing that might say where
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  we're feeling in our eyes saying leaving QB One is drones?
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  Yeah, I mean, well, it definitely got better.
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  I mean, the Purdue game from a rushing perspective, in terms of
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  EPA expected points added was literally the worst rushing
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  performance by any team, any FPS team, any game this year.
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  So it got better. It did get better.
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  I thought the Russian game was a lot better.
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  They had some success running those QB draws.
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  Sometimes there is miscommunication between, you
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  know, the quarterback and the halfback as far as you know what
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  they were trying to do, kind of, you know, not sure where where
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  each guy was in the backfield. But those things kind of are
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  expected with with the first time KV starter, but I thought
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  it was good. I mean I think his legs provide
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  a lot, a lot for the team. He's much more comfortable as a
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  runner obviously than Wells is. And I think he fits the the
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  vision for Bowen in terms of just that that RPO you know,
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  zone running schema offense in terms of just the ability to
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  create plays with his legs. So you know, stats wise, nothing
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  really jumps off the board a ton.
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  But if you're talking about just a relative to what we've seen
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  from Tech the past couple of games, it was a lot better.
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  Yeah, if you say that and I'll throw up because you said Purdue
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  was the worst game, first two games this year, net brushing of
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  120 yards, that is the 60 yards of the game.
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  We were at 129. That brushing for the game
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  versus Rutgers, which is a significantly better brush
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  defense and significantly better defense in general.
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  So I see that and I see 100% improvement.
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  The only thing that changed was Conran drones.
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  He didn't have his top 2 outer speakers.
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  Jalen Lane was out. We know that Ali's going to be
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  out for a while, if not the whole season.
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  If the reason what he did without those two guys on the
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  field and and the way I loved it he locked on one guy all day
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  that we didn't Holloway X, GB Gosnell even that is Aiden
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  Green. The freshman Aquan Wright had
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  catched Awon Lofton had catched. It wasn't like he locked on one
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  guy and that's all he found all day.
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  There were some tremble drills we made.
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  Good place. But the guy that jumped out as
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  far as I I'm concerned, Daquan Felton proved he is for real. 6
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  catches, 84 yards and if he doesn't miss that one I think it
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  would have been that was a 50 plus yard default, 130 plus and
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  an extra touchdown. Belden's for real.
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  When did you say stat tally? Oh yeah, man, he looked good.
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  I've been screaming to get him involved in just the game,
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  period. You know, they tried to go long
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  to get him involved, but I seen him, you know, one of my
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  favorite players that I seen them close to the red zone or
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  close to the goal line. They hit him with a screen, you
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  know, and then they just let him work.
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  It's kind of extension of the running game.
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  Just pop up, throw them the ball.
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  Kudos to the blocking man. Kudos to the blocking when you
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  when you get your wide receivers out there blocking for a big
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  time. Receiver like that.
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  But we needed him to to get some confidence because he looked so
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  deflated against Purdue. You know to keep running routes
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  and the players are just not going your way.
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  You're just not getting the looks you're just not getting.
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  You're just not getting the stats, you know?
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  And you can see him on the sideline.
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  I got a video of him on the sideline kind of pacing.
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  He's just, he's just frustrated, you know, he's transferred in
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  and he wants to be involved. Of course he is.
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  Of course he does. So to see him get started, I'm
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  hoping it can, you know, give us some kind of spark moving
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  forward because we're going to need it, man.
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  We're going to need all hands on deck.
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  Tucker Holloway is gimpy. He looked gimpy.
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  I said it when he returned the kick.
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  He looked gimpy. We don't know when Lane's coming
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  back. Jennings is is is out for the
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  foreseeable future like right was still banged up.
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  We are banged up, man. You know what I'm saying?
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  So anybody that we can see flash, let's let let's let him
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  meet. Please let him meet.
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  What about you, Brian? What did you see from him, other
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  than some of the stuff Tally pointed out?
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  So when I looked at this team, it almost was like.
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  We had a similar wide receiver makeup as we had most of last
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  year, just with a little bit of an extra bump, right?
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  Because I feel like Felton skill set is kind of similar to what
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  Caleb Smith brought to the table.
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  I feel like Felton is a little bit more physical than Caleb
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  was, but I think that in terms of their overall skill set, good
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  combination of speed and size, right?
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  And then you got most of the cast of characters that we had
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  last year with with XTB and and Benji Gosnell kind of thrown in
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  there. But it kind of kind of reset the
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  the level of the the wide receiver room again kind of to
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  that 2022 level. And I thought that given those
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  limitations, I think everybody kind of did did what did what
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  they could expect or the most you could expect from them.
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  I think Felon had a good game again.
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  One drop that was. You know, pretty big.
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  But I think he showed that he could be a guy that you could
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  lean on when you don't have one or two other guys in the game
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  for an extended stretch there. So you know we'll see how we
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  move forward with that. But probably his best game all
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  around and obviously you know he he was more of the focal point
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  this week than we've seen the last couple on anything data
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  wise on, I know we're we're very, very short into the season
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  with Felton but anything on him. No, he's graded out fine.
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  I know he missed he missed one pass buck on his screen pass I
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  think in the first half which was not not great.
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  But no I think he's been good and also the the touch on that
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  he scored was a good a good route concept.
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  Their Rutgers, I don't know what their coverage was but they're
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  playing some, you know deep zone defense where I think the corner
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  was backing off and he kind of came over as a crosser and drone
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  sent him for a big score. So good, good route against that
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  particular coverage. Yeah.
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  So again, offensively not all bad.
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  I think the other thing that I looked at that caught my eye
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  immediately with the exception of the last one when we were
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  down 35 to 16, you know how many three and outs we had not
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  withstanding turnovers, how many goose egg we did not have 1/3
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  and out less the turnovers. We didn't have a three and out
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  we moved the ball every time. Because if you think about it,
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  we pinned them deep a couple times.
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  We got the midfield a couple times, third drive of the game,
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  we missed the field goal, which really was deflating because it
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  was a 37 yarder, you know, and John Love had made those.
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  I told Brian I like he must have been aiming at the inside of the
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  upright to miss it where he did. But that is what it is
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  offensively. Let's talk about the defense
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  because we got a couple points for the defense here.
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  They're going to come out a little bit more.
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  But you know, other than that one big explosive run Winstead
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  had that 34 yard touchdown run, the other ten runs he had were
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  roughly for about 53 yards. So if you tell me a running
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  quarterback is averaging 5 yards of carry all day, every day,
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  twice on Sundays? Yeah, besides that man, he had
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  40 yards passing. You know, I know we're going to
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  probably touch on that in a little bit, but if you can, if
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  you can hold a quarterback, if you tell me, we hold a
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  quarterback to 46 yards throwing the ball and they are not
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  running A2 quarterback system, they only have whatever, 50
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  yards passing, I would never think we lose 35 to 16.
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  But again. At least think it would be a
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  close game, like the way it turned out.
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  I mean, that ended up being a blowout.
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  Yeah it all came down to those big runs like you said kind of
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  reminiscent of the pick game last year man.
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  You know you get to the point where okay we get a stop here we
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  we got something and and and we we let them blow off a big ruin
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  even you know and and again I know we touch on a lot of stuff
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  but even thinking about that I think it was a third down call
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  maybe like third and 132 and. We got everybody flying inside
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  and they're running back busted to the outside for a 55 yard
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  touchdown and what a turnover man you got.
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  You just can't as a team, you can't do that, Brian.
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  Don't say it yet. Brian's got that play already.
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  Don't don't say anything on that.
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  You'll make him jump a segment ahead, Segment ahead.
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  What else, Brian? Brian, I felt like sitting with
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  you. You kept saying better raps,
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  better raps, especially up front plus in the front seven, which
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  if the front seven had tackled better against?
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  They don't get as much as they did offensively.
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  Yeah, I thought the tackling, especially with the linebackers,
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  improved in this game. Unfortunately, there was other
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  holes that opened up elsewhere in the in that aspect of it, but
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  I thought the linebackers played pretty well.
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  I thought the front tackled pretty well.
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  We didn't quite get home on some of those those blitzes, but I
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  thought we did a pretty good job of.
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  Tackling when we were in a position to make a play in the
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  run game, you know the the the big problem was is that we'd
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  have these long stretches of defense where we're forcing 3
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  and outs and then we let a big one go like very much a boom or
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  bust defensive game overall. So it's really hard to kind of
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  wrap your head around that because you know it was, again
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  going circling back to Curtis is very much like the pit game
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  where you either were giving up nothing or everything.
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  Sheldon, do you have anything on like where we are currently
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  explosive plays wise? I do not back in looking up
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  quickly. All right.
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  Well, while he's looking that up, I think something we are
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  noticing is and you mentioned with the 46 yards tally, the
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  back end coverage wise, regardless who's back there,
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  regardless how they're rotating the safeties, regardless if
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  they're putting the young guys in at corner, the the back end
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  coverage, those concepts with those young guys are getting it.
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  And obviously the guys who've been here a while are
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  absolutely, absolutely getting it because.
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  And you got to understand too like this.
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  I know this isn't a moral victory podcast or a excuse
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  podcast, but the truth is what the truth is.
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  Like somebody said the other day, we are down three out of
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  four captains the third game of the season.
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  You know, you got Schrollman went out in that game.
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  Yes, he did. Schrollman went out and you can
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  see when he went out it was a different defense.
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  Schrollman went out. Kiante Jenkins is hurt.
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  You got Jalen Jones and a true freshman back there.
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  Jalen Jones was a wide receiver last year and most Phillips was
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  in high school. High school last year.
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  So man, it is it, dude, we are. I said man, we got to be we we
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  got to go tip somebody off, man. We got the worst any college
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  football team I've ever watched. But again, man, it is a lot
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  moving back there and I got to get at least some kudos to the
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  young guys, man. They are getting in now seeing
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  Dante Lovett coming in and and and absolutely put his face in a
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  couple of tackles and that's a big deal we're going to need,
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  we're going to need stuff like that.
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  We'll need guys to develop. Yeah.
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  I mean, Tally, you talked about it like.
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  We we said at the start of the season we were making our
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  predictions that looking at this roster, it's improved but the
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  margins are razor fucking thin because when your starters go
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  out you get real young real quick.
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  And the two areas that we are have some actual experience in
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  are also two areas that we under recruited for significant years.
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  Mention of the D line and O line.
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  So that those are two things that are right now working in
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  tandem is that we've got a bunch of injuries in areas that we did
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  improve in, in some ways and you couple that with your other two
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  units are now harder to hide. The two units that you knew were
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  going to be problems this year are harder to hide.
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  So it's it's it's a lot, it's a lot of snowballing happening,
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  happening right now with those injuries and and that kind of
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  puts us in that situation we were talking about.
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  You know, you're starting to kind of ratchet down those
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  expectations because we said it. Things aren't going exactly the
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  way you want to from an injury standpoint.
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  Well, you can never predict injuries, and we'll talk about
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  that in just a few minutes here. But Sheldon, you said you were
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  able to find it. And I know I'm going to take
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  this and we're going to pivot it in a second, but Sheldon, what
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  are we looking like? Explosive plays wise on defense.
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  Not good. I just focus on the explosive
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  rushing plays allowed. Tech is 125th in number of 10
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  plus yard rushing plays allowed and if you'll get 20 plus yards
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  they are 4th to last ahead of only.
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  West Kentucky, Buffalo and North Texas.
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  So 125th 127 out of 131. So 133 actually, yes.
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  I'm I'm sorry, forgot you don't. Don't say Houston State.
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  Sure they. Got a boy corner?
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  Let's not talk about that often, Sam Houston, hey.
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  But I think let's pivot it over into the what went bad because
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  you know Brian, go ahead and go to it because you you mentioned
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  it all afternoon especially after struggling went out.
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  What's causing the explosive run plays?
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  I'd love to. I'd love to have the breakdown
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  of where we went from week two to week four.
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  Yeah, I mean, I I feel like there's a couple things at play
• 21:45
  here. Number one, we saw kind of the
• 21:47
  return of the cascade effect from last season where you have
• 21:52
  a bad play and that leads to another bad play.
• 21:54
  The The bad part is, is that that happened right out the gate
• 21:58
  for us, right? We had a we had a fumble.
• 22:01
  One play later, it's a touchdown.
• 22:02
  We're already. Explosive run play there's been.
• 22:07
  Three offensive plays run and and you started with the ball
• 22:10
  and now you're down a touchdown, so.
• 22:13
  And it was a nobody touched anybody.
• 22:16
  No it. Was just deflated as soon as you
• 22:19
  get the over pursuit and then the the lanes like it parted
• 22:22
  like the Red Sea pal right up the middle.
• 22:27
  So the other problem is that you know we're we're looking at the
• 22:32
  safety situation. This goes back to the injuries.
• 22:34
  But as you said we've got Jalen Jones, most Phillips playing a
• 22:40
  large majority of the snaps in this game.
• 22:42
  And I feel like from a from from the perspective of coverage,
• 22:49
  there's not a big drop off with those two compared to the the
• 22:53
  two starters this year People's and Jalen Strumman, there's not
• 22:56
  a huge drop off there. Where there is a drop off is in
• 23:01
  that run. There's run fits in the run
• 23:03
  coverage. We they are struggling right now
• 23:07
  with fits, pursuit angles and pretty much everything that they
• 23:13
  need to do in terms of run support.
• 23:16
  It wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't great last week.
• 23:20
  It was very bad this week. Well, the 55 yard run Brian, we
• 23:24
  were we we sat there and watched that and as soon as it happened,
• 23:27
  as soon as they showed the replay, blind screamed.
• 23:30
  Because I think we looked on Twitter and someone was like,
• 23:32
  what's Strong doing? And Brian's like they're in man,
• 23:36
  he says. Strong.
• 23:37
  Strong is running with his man, as he should.
• 23:40
  The safety is supposed to replace that.
• 23:42
  He he is now the Force player. He was not the Force player.
• 23:47
  He well, he stayed inside. Yeah.
• 23:49
  Because if you, if you look at I wish, I wish we had time to pull
• 23:52
  it. We had to do this 24 hours
• 23:54
  notice. But you said as soon as Strong
• 23:58
  crossed his back, he should have taken with three steps and
• 24:01
  effectively turned his body to leverage inside.
• 24:04
  He did, and he stayed right there.
• 24:05
  That tight end got off on him in two seconds off tackle outside
• 24:12
  and I mean there wasn't a great angle from the from the backside
• 24:15
  safety either the the backside safety over pursued.
• 24:18
  So it was really both safeties were now out of position.
• 24:22
  Were you about to say Tally? I'm just saying that's what a
• 24:24
  good coach team does like they'll exploit a broken play or
• 24:28
  a weakness. And you know that play wasn't
• 24:30
  designed to go for 55 yard touchdown.
• 24:33
  They were trying to get a first down.
• 24:35
  But that running back, he's, he's a good running back and
• 24:38
  he's a well coach running back and he bounce that thing to the
• 24:41
  outside and he was off to the racing.
• 24:42
  So those run fits have to get better if we want to slow
• 24:46
  somebody down. I like what what y'all mentioned
• 24:49
  there. Brian and Tally talking about
• 24:54
  that first one, nobody wanted to touch anybody and some of those
• 24:57
  we were just way too aggressive and and what we're talking
• 25:01
  about, there are times they're too, those safeties are too
• 25:03
  passive and there's times they're too aggressive.
• 25:06
  And to me that's a youth thing, That's a youth thing because
• 25:11
  there's nothing you can do because if you tell them, hey,
• 25:15
  you got to be more aggressive and then the next time they be
• 25:18
  aggressive. And they completely overshoot
• 25:20
  the gap, but they completely missed the fit.
• 25:23
  Hey, you got calm down within the back 15 yards and the guys
• 25:26
  getting way up field Sheldon. Well, this, this is what happens
• 25:30
  when you have two guys that are playing that you expected to
• 25:33
  play 2025% of the snaps in the game playing 75 eighty 90% of
• 25:38
  the snaps of. The game they playing, all of
• 25:40
  them, and there's only so much because we're, I think there's a
• 25:42
  snap count out there about Mansour.
• 25:45
  And Sewer's trying to play some. They're trying to put Canteen in
• 25:47
  those safety situations. They're trying to rotate those
• 25:50
  guys to help it out. But eventually it's like they're
• 25:54
  still, even if you rotate perfectly, they're still going
• 25:56
  to be bringing 60% shown that. Were you able to get those the
• 26:00
  the the Moss and Jalen run grades?
• 26:03
  I, I I just got to hear it, if we got it.
• 26:06
  It was. I know for Jones it was.
• 26:08
  It was in the I think his grade for this game was in the 20s for
• 26:12
  run, for run defense. So, and for the season he's in
• 26:16
  the 40s, which? I think is.
• 26:19
  I think is the third worst among Power 5 safeties, so it's been
• 26:24
  rough. So we're not just talking about
• 26:27
  it to talk about it, we're talking about it to.
• 26:33
  To bring the point up, but the point also has to be made y'all.
• 26:37
  You're not going to take freshmen.
• 26:38
  You're not going to take a guy who's switching positions and
• 26:41
  make them elite safeties or very tight, competent safeties in
• 26:45
  less than three games. Get your heads out your asses if
• 26:48
  you're thinking like that. We don't have Stroman back
• 26:50
  there, but people's back there. People were dogging on people's
• 26:53
  earlier this season. You wish he was there.
• 26:55
  Now you got to think, don't just say we need everybody needs to
• 26:59
  be fired. We need to get rid of everybody.
• 27:02
  That's not how it works, right, Sheldon?
• 27:04
  You can't develop someone in three games.
• 27:07
  Yeah, I would also add to that Jalen Jones went to Thomas
• 27:10
  Jefferson High School, which is where near where I live.
• 27:13
  Shout to the 804, the the competition level in Richmond
• 27:17
  City is not great and also it is not great at his high school.
• 27:21
  So he was very much a developmental guy that kind of
• 27:24
  had to come in and learn the game.
• 27:26
  I would assume that his ranking was because, you know, obviously
• 27:28
  he's a really talented athlete. But he's very much in like that,
• 27:31
  that early stage of development. So this is not a guy where you
• 27:34
  can expect him to be, you know, to be productive 43 games into
• 27:37
  his, essentially his collegiate career.
• 27:39
  So there's going to be some growing things.
• 27:42
  All righty. Another thing that went bad, and
• 27:45
  as I look at the statistics here is we did not get home any.
• 27:50
  We did not get one sack. We were there a couple times.
• 27:53
  But I think what sucks even more is we only had three tackles for
• 27:56
  loss. And Brian, you mentioned this
• 27:59
  was a chance to exploit them there.
• 28:02
  We probably should have been closer to 7:00 to 9:00.
• 28:05
  But again, we did miss some tackles, we missed some fits
• 28:08
  where they were getting positive yards out.
• 28:12
  Anything you feel or do y'all think this was just tally,
• 28:16
  Brian, primarily y'all is just just this is what that system is
• 28:21
  like. If you do the wrong things up
• 28:23
  front, even more burn in the back.
• 28:26
  Well, I mean, even just some of it is, is just how tough you
• 28:30
  are. You know what I'm saying?
• 28:31
  Like, you can have the good videos, you can talk about lunch
• 28:34
  bell defense, you can talk about when it comes down to it.
• 28:36
  I think we talked last week when somebody pulled somebody down, I
• 28:40
  think it was Kelly Lawson pulled somebody down by their jersey
• 28:43
  while he was getting blocked. Like that's just a toughness
• 28:47
  plate. Yeah, you got to be strong to do
• 28:49
  that. But like, that doesn't feel good
• 28:51
  to get your fingers wrapped up in a jersey and pull somebody
• 28:54
  down. But it's just you want it more
• 28:56
  than the person that is on the other side of the ball and some
• 28:59
  plays we don't want it more than them.
• 29:01
  When you go against a team like Rutgers that is coached by their
• 29:04
  coach, I mean, everybody knows that they're going to be,
• 29:07
  they're going to be well coached and tough and that's just how
• 29:11
  they played. They just played physical.
• 29:12
  They just were more physical than us.
• 29:16
  I don't know if it's just because of injuries.
• 29:18
  I don't know if it's just because of youth, but.
• 29:21
  We got to get to the point where we take some stuff personal and
• 29:24
  we we go and we produce with that you know so yeah I see.
• 29:29
  I see Andre thank you man. I see you back.
• 29:32
  I'm I'm you know just because you put that put his put his
• 29:35
  quote up right here, man. Put his put his comment up and
• 29:38
  when we said we need urban mind so I'll just I'll speak on that
• 29:45
  for a few minutes man. I get it.
• 29:47
  I get it. I'm not going to tell you how to
• 29:49
  be a fan, what to say, what not to say.
• 29:52
  But I will tell you that ain't happening.
• 29:55
  If you you sit at home and you fantasize about all this stuff
• 30:00
  and think about this stuff, you will go crazy, man.
• 30:03
  My, my DM's and my Twitter goes crazy every day.
• 30:08
  And guess what? I'll get on there and I'll joke
• 30:10
  about it and I'll mess with people and I'll let them mess
• 30:12
  with me. But when I get off Twitter, I
• 30:14
  got a son that plays baseball who was at the baseball field
• 30:17
  all day yesterday. If I sit around and thought
• 30:19
  about Virginia Tech's program, I would be a depressed
• 30:22
  motherfucker. Like, you got to let it go, man.
• 30:25
  You know, I get what you're saying and I understand where
• 30:28
  you're coming from, but I do also understand how college
• 30:31
  football works. It ain't gonna happen for us,
• 30:34
  for us to get where we want to go.
• 30:35
  People say, oh, see, this was what happened if we brought Dion
• 30:38
  in. Dion ain't coming here.
• 30:41
  You can talk about people that we should have got.
• 30:43
  We should have got Shane. We should have got Kirby Smart.
• 30:46
  You don't. It ain't happening.
• 30:48
  We got Brett Pride, and I'm not saying we got to like him.
• 30:51
  I got a lot of questions about the coaching staff, but I'm not
• 30:54
  going to rack my brain about that coaching staff.
• 30:57
  I'm just going to call it. You said call the spade a spade.
• 30:59
  I'm going to call it how I see it every week, but I'm going to
• 31:03
  get my time to vent and then I'm going to let it go and we're
• 31:05
  going to go to the next week and then if you rack up enough
• 31:08
  losses, he's going to be gone anyway.
• 31:10
  I mean, just keeping it real. I kind of take it back.
• 31:12
  I talk about my son a lot because that's that's.
• 31:17
  That's what I watch like. That's what I equate a lot of
• 31:19
  sports to. My son's team got picked up by a
• 31:22
  big travel ball organization and people don't understand
• 31:27
  development anymore. My son's team, man, I've seen
• 31:30
  these kids since they were 7-8 years old.
• 31:34
  My son went in the travel ball and he but they couldn't.
• 31:39
  He couldn't throw the ball across the field, and he was a
• 31:41
  good baseball player, but he couldn't throw the ball from
• 31:43
  from first to third without bouncing.
• 31:47
  And it's just that cultures have been with them since, like I
• 31:50
  said, seven or eight years old. And now these get these kids are
• 31:54
  getting bigger, they're getting stronger.
• 31:56
  And we show up to this. We show up to this tournament
• 31:59
  down in in Birmingham. If you guys ever get a chance to
• 32:02
  go to Rick Woodfield in Birmingham, it is in the ghetto,
• 32:05
  it is in the hood. It is scary when you turn on 3rd
• 32:09
  Ave. When you have to pull in them
• 32:11
  barbed wire fences, it looks a little shaky.
• 32:14
  But when you get inside that facility and you go see that
• 32:19
  field, that what the old Negro League games were played, man,
• 32:22
  it's just does something to you, man.
• 32:24
  It's an awesome, awesome venue, you know, And I was so happy
• 32:28
  that those kids got to play there and we played against a
• 32:30
  couple of Hoover teams, which, you know, it's pretty much home
• 32:33
  games for them. We also played at.
• 32:37
  Birmingham Southern College. But anyway, so those Hoover
• 32:40
  teams are pretty much at home and they've never seen our kids.
• 32:42
  Our kids don't count. Our kids don't go to All Star
• 32:45
  Games. They had never seen us.
• 32:48
  We just showed up and it was like, who is this team?
• 32:50
  We were the only team that went undefeated and we kicked
• 32:53
  everybody's ass and we were much better than everybody we played.
• 32:57
  So I take that back to the Virginia Tech program.
• 33:01
  Sometimes you just got to develop, man.
• 33:03
  And I ain't saying just trust the process.
• 33:05
  You got to be in the process. You got to.
• 33:07
  You got to when you're mad. You got to let the coaches know
• 33:09
  it's okay to tweet. Hey, I don't like that.
• 33:12
  Maybe they'll see it and change it.
• 33:14
  We've been crying about the quarterback for how long?
• 33:16
  We got to see drones and we like what we see.
• 33:18
  So hang in there, man. Hang in there.
• 33:20
  Don't let it. Don't let it tell your day up.
• 33:22
  Don't let it tell your week up. Let it go about Sunday
• 33:25
  afternoon. Go ahead, Curtis.
• 33:26
  I'm getting ready to say I don't know what we would have done 35
• 33:30
  years ago. The Frank years go Look at
• 33:34
  Frank's record. Y'all up to 1993.
• 33:36
  Some of y'all would have probably jumped off a building
• 33:39
  some of those years, 2:00 and 9:00 and all that, and not went
• 33:42
  having one winning season up from 1987 to 1993.
• 33:47
  I know it's a different store. It's a different time, it's a
• 33:49
  different place. But know that.
• 33:53
  Everybody has their down and tally.
• 33:55
  You've been mentioning them a lot.
• 33:56
  And I'm going to just say it one second.
• 33:58
  Go look at where Florida State was just a handful of years ago.
• 34:00
  Yes, I know they get more elite talent, but Norvell has also
• 34:03
  developed that talent. He got a lot of talented guys
• 34:05
  and he's developed them. All right, Brian, what else went
• 34:10
  bad from your perspective? This is Offensive Line podcast,
• 34:17
  right? This is an offensive line
• 34:18
  podcast. It is.
• 34:19
  All right. All right.
• 34:20
  So I will say something bold. It's not bold, it's right.
• 34:27
  Say it in that opinion I I you know he was getting a lot of
• 34:31
  props in the all season about being improved and being healthy
• 34:35
  and all this other stuff. Parker Clements is an absolute
• 34:39
  liability and right title right now.
• 34:43
  Charlie. And you watched the tape from
• 34:44
  yesterday, right? You didn't just.
• 34:45
  This isn't just. Yeah, I was.
• 34:46
  I watched the tape. This is not just live, this is
• 34:50
  not I've I've watched everything at least twice.
• 34:55
  His feet are lazy. In the run game.
• 34:57
  He doesn't really bring his hands well.
• 35:00
  He often looks like he doesn't know what he's doing in the run
• 35:04
  game, especially in something that's not zone like any
• 35:09
  anything that has gap scheme. He just looks lost, which
• 35:13
  explains a lot of last year and most of this year.
• 35:18
  So I'm just I'm ready to see a mix up whether that's.
• 35:24
  If you don't lose shit, go down fighting.
• 35:27
  Yeah, let's. Park the Clemens.
• 35:30
  Change it. Hey man, you look cool.
• 35:34
  You had a cool looking bid one time on a on a on a picture.
• 35:37
  Royal King probably has a great place for you to work.
• 35:42
  Y'all need to be at right tackle right now.
• 35:44
  Sorry buddy. Hopefully you watch this podcast
• 35:47
  and you say fuck that dude, I'm going to go out here and show
• 35:49
  him and you plaster my face on the other team's helmet and you
• 35:52
  go and run through that helmet. But I need to be the
• 35:56
  visualization like. What I don't need you to do like
• 35:59
  if I get. Water in here.
• 36:00
  Visualize me talking shit. About it, We don't need to get
• 36:04
  behind your guard and give him the Hamlet maneuver ever again.
• 36:07
  We just want you to block man. But it's not just him, man.
• 36:11
  Our line has to get better. But Brian, like you, I knew you
• 36:15
  were going when you said this was bold.
• 36:17
  It's not that bold, man. It's right.
• 36:20
  He's he's got to be better. I know.
• 36:22
  Sheldon. Sheldon, I'm not trying to put
• 36:23
  you on the spot. You don't have to look nothing
• 36:24
  up. You probably can just look at
• 36:26
  the camera and say, yeah, he's pretty bad.
• 36:29
  He's his scores have to be horrible, man.
• 36:32
  I think Brody Meadows came in and played much better than than
• 36:36
  a lot of people on our line. Just mix it up.
• 36:39
  Let's mix it up. Let's see some different stuff,
• 36:42
  because what we're doing is not working.
• 36:44
  What is that grade by the way? Shell and I mean I just just for
• 36:47
  confirmation. I mean, I don't, I don't even
• 36:49
  know. Like I hadn't paid too much
• 36:50
  attention to oh, line grades because I feel like there's no
• 36:52
  point because you can just tell the eye tests they're not
• 36:55
  they're not getting it done. And that's.
• 36:56
  I mean to me that's an eye test position.
• 36:58
  Like you can just tell they're not the footwork is the footwork
• 37:01
  is bad. The angles are bad.
• 37:02
  The, you know, the speed. They're just they're just not
• 37:05
  getting the job done like they can.
• 37:06
  And some of the plays too like. If we block them up, right?
• 37:09
  I mean there there'd be some big gainers in there, but they just
• 37:12
  can't. They're just not playing a sign
• 37:13
  of football. And right now Drones is the
• 37:16
  Band-Aid to the offensive line. It's again why you need from
• 37:19
  averaging 1A carry to almost 3 1/2 right now.
• 37:24
  I'm I'm going to take 3 1/2 all day because it's a semblance of
• 37:27
  an offense. It's a semblance of a third and
• 37:29
  two you might actually get it. But I think to y'all's point.
• 37:33
  And and like, you know, you're mentioning bad angles and stuff,
• 37:36
  Sheldon. It comes to a point in time.
• 37:38
  Right now we've got 3 two young guys on the line.
• 37:43
  It comes to a point where it's like we've just got to keep
• 37:46
  trying these young guys. Because if if there is not that
• 37:48
  big of a difference in the gap between what Parker's doing and
• 37:51
  what Brody's doing or you know, if we talked about, I know it's
• 37:55
  been mentioned, Jack Hollyfield, shout out Michael Yost, put
• 37:59
  Hollyfield, Senator, get Kate Moore back to his guard position
• 38:02
  where you know he can be and put Brody at right tackle.
• 38:05
  And put Brody at right tackle. What's it going to hurt?
• 38:08
  You're one and two right now, and you see where your struggles
• 38:11
  are and you know that is what it is.
• 38:15
  Part of the thing, that part of the thing that we wanted to see
• 38:17
  last year was we just wanted to see somebody actually fight for
• 38:22
  the job. You know what I'm saying?
• 38:23
  Like everybody kind of felt like, you know, Grant Wells
• 38:27
  didn't. He didn't just had a fire body,
• 38:30
  you know what I'm saying? Just like I know I'm going to be
• 38:32
  the starter. I'm all we got.
• 38:34
  It is what it is. If I mess up, like scare
• 38:37
  somebody, you know, hey, you're not playing no more.
• 38:39
  We playing the young guys. You know, sometimes competition
• 38:42
  breeds some. I mean, it's going freaking make
• 38:48
  a diamond or bust a pipe there. You go.
• 38:51
  Let's, let's see what we let's see what we can find.
• 38:54
  Let's see what we can find, man, tell them, Hey, sit out for a
• 38:57
  couple of you going to sit out. You going to stand over here
• 39:00
  with me and watch somebody else do it?
• 39:02
  And then rotate them back in. I just need to see something
• 39:04
  something picks up, man. Because and again like Curtis
• 39:08
  has been saying the whole time, I mean the offensive line is
• 39:12
  atrocious, man is I don't even know what to say.
• 39:16
  Like watching some stuff. From my standpoint, being a a
• 39:20
  tight end like our tight ends aren't great at blocking but
• 39:25
  they're blocking better than the line sometimes.
• 39:27
  Like it's just it's no hard in blocking so.
• 39:30
  Yeah, we can go on and on about that, but we ain't got that much
• 39:33
  time. We we we don't we could go on
• 39:35
  and on but until we see something different on the field
• 39:37
  we we continue to address it under this section because
• 39:41
  realistically is the only thing that can be done now is they're
• 39:45
  going to be they're going to be here until we they're average
• 39:47
  over 4 yards carry. To Shay Wes Osborne.
• 39:51
  Yes, we need a flex seal for the offensive line, but they're
• 39:54
  going to probably be in this section until until they average
• 39:56
  over 4 yards of carry. So until they're average over 4
• 39:59
  yards of carry. They're going to be in this
• 40:01
  section. Then they're going to be in this
• 40:02
  section all year. I say if we can stick it 3 1/2
• 40:05
  for multiple weeks we take them out of the section because the 3
• 40:08
  1/2 if you run it 3 * 3 1/2 yards you get a first down.
• 40:12
  Yes Sir, we're averaging 4. That means we're probably going
• 40:14
  over 150 a game, which is exactly where you want to be.
• 40:17
  At a minimum we went 130 week. On the drones, think if the
• 40:20
  meshes get better. Think if the passing gets
• 40:24
  better, the lanes will open. All right, we we've hit this
• 40:27
  already a little bit. But did anything happen?
• 40:30
  We're not prepared for. And I I got our our buddy David
• 40:33
  Cunningham's Twitter up from Saturday night, 2 deep injuries.
• 40:39
  There are 22 people in the 2 deep.
• 40:41
  So somebody do the math. Wells is hurt.
• 40:44
  Jennings is hurt. Lane is hurt.
• 40:47
  Tisdale is out and then hurt. Kianta Jenkins is hurt.
• 40:50
  That's your people's is hurt. Stroman's hurt.
• 40:52
  We knew right. Has been banged up.
• 40:54
  Y'all, that's a third. That's a third of your two deep
• 41:00
  good teams who have developed and have good players could
• 41:04
  potentially be struggling. If you have a third of your two
• 41:08
  deep banged up, I don't even think that's a question.
• 41:11
  You haven't even mentioned Burgos with his shoulder.
• 41:14
  Yeah, but he's playing at least. Yeah, but I'm saying you didn't
• 41:17
  mention that. So yeah, hard to be effective
• 41:19
  with you. All right, now we at 9:00, we
• 41:21
  about to get to half of the two deepest injured in.
• 41:24
  Some way, shape or form? Hold on.
• 41:26
  Wait a SEC. Galloway's 10, Gallows 10.
• 41:29
  Yeah. Did you mention people's?
• 41:32
  I didn't mention people's. People, Holloway's nicked.
• 41:35
  I think he's still out there doing things though.
• 41:37
  Yeah, it is crazy, man. It is crazy to injured but but
• 41:41
  it's football, you know, It's like you can never.
• 41:45
  Know who's going to be injured and how to prepare for it.
• 41:47
  But it sucks that it always happens in Virginia Tech.
• 41:52
  It sucks, man. And it's only the 4th.
• 41:55
  Like we're going to the fourth game of the season and we're
• 41:58
  talking about them and we don't know.
• 41:59
  We don't know what, where these people are going to make.
• 42:02
  Curtis talked. I don't know if it was the
• 42:05
  first, if it was the first show of the season, or maybe the
• 42:08
  second when Curtis talked about that going.
• 42:11
  Maybe it was a rule to implement and talking about the the injury
• 42:16
  report. Yeah, we talked about if it
• 42:19
  would, if it would, you know affect like people knowing the
• 42:21
  NIL stuff, we yes, tell us who hurt.
• 42:25
  So we can just go here to prepare.
• 42:27
  Let me know before the game who's going to play and who
• 42:29
  ain't like these depth charts that don't really tell you the.
• 42:32
  Story No no. Don't even release one.
• 42:35
  Don't even Where's Pete B's tweet about that?
• 42:37
  Where's Pete B's tweet about put?
• 42:39
  Pull that shit out of it. Pete B, My boy Pete B has been
• 42:42
  fighting more than me on Twitter like.
• 42:44
  He has been fighting and he's. Been I was Pete B.
• 42:50
  You are a PR nightmare, Sir. When you're worse than talent,
• 42:54
  you it's bad. Well, the one that got me from
• 42:57
  Pete. I love Pete.
• 42:59
  We chat. When when Pete said this is the
• 43:01
  worst loss he'd ever saw, I literally went Dude, where were
• 43:05
  you at 98 Temple. That is the worst loss in
• 43:08
  program history. OK, you got to collapse over
• 43:16
  here. All right, pull it down real
• 43:17
  quick. I'm going to address this.
• 43:18
  Then don't put anything out. Don't put it out.
• 43:22
  You got to put that doubt. Leave us.
• 43:25
  In the dark. That's definitely so much.
• 43:33
  Really, I don't know what else. Because we talked about, you
• 43:35
  know, not taking away their Russian attack, they went for
• 43:37
  256 on us. But again, I think we're slowly
• 43:41
  getting to the point where this section gets smaller and smaller
• 43:43
  every week because you do start seeing things.
• 43:48
  The only thing I hope is that within the next few games we
• 43:52
  start having. Positives here, right?
• 43:55
  Yeah. Well, if we can learn to run the
• 43:57
  football more effectively and if we can learn to stop the rush
• 44:02
  more effectively, then these two middle sections will get
• 44:07
  smaller, right? I mean because most of these
• 44:11
  middle sections are either stuff that we're struggling with
• 44:17
  mightily, which is those two things or things like injuries,
• 44:21
  which some we can control, some we you know we try to mitigate
• 44:26
  but we may not be able to understand the, the, the full
• 44:29
  scope of what the ask is until we get into the the thick of it,
• 44:32
  right. So that's that's we're talking
• 44:34
  about the run game. So it's going to be interesting
• 44:38
  to see how we pivot this week and what, what sort of
• 44:42
  adjustments we make, especially if the guys at safety are not
• 44:46
  able to go this week. That's gonna be a real issue,
• 44:48
  Sheldon. Anything else you want to add
• 44:50
  here? You have been very quiet in this
• 44:52
  section, so I'm going to give you the floor for a couple
• 44:54
  minutes here. Yeah.
• 44:55
  You know, The thing is, I think for me it's hard to really judge
• 44:59
  the efficacy of our defensive backs because they just haven't
• 45:02
  been tested. I was looking at this number
• 45:04
  before we got on because I wanted to confirm Tech has the
• 45:07
  10th highest opponent rushing rate in the country.
• 45:11
  So basically the game plan for offenses against tech is just
• 45:13
  run or run and we kind of seen that throughout the course this
• 45:16
  season. I mean, I don't know if I could
• 45:18
  explain this right away if someone who knows more about the
• 45:19
  exit and nose could like you know, articulate this better.
• 45:22
  But when you watch these linebackers and safeties, they
• 45:24
  just, they aren't looking at where the ball is or where it's
• 45:27
  going to be. And Brian mentioned talk about
• 45:30
  the bad angles. I don't think they're just
• 45:32
  they're just not anticipating right and it's an experience
• 45:35
  problem. It's, I think it's also partly,
• 45:38
  you know, there's some physicality too, like obviously
• 45:40
  the linebackers have sometimes run themselves out of position.
• 45:44
  But even when the arm position, I think they're just getting, I
• 45:46
  mean they're getting beat up physically now maybe that's, you
• 45:49
  know, a strength problem. They need a couple of years in
• 45:51
  the weight room. But you've got a lot of, you
• 45:53
  know, tall linking, athletic guys out there, linebacker,
• 45:56
  bunch of, you know, converted safeties and not a lot of guys
• 45:59
  that are, you know, big and strong like a prototypical Brent
• 46:01
  pie Mike linebacker. So it's just a combination of
• 46:05
  poor assignments, you know, not having the right, the right
• 46:08
  athletes out there and just using an experience.
• 46:11
  So lots of lots of things to correct for sure.
• 46:15
  All righty. Well, we hope we can get into
• 46:16
  that. Now, here's we got the laundry
• 46:19
  list of things going on because now we're going to go what to do
• 46:21
  better moving forward. And that's actually longer than
• 46:24
  anything we've discussed tonight.
• 46:25
  Now I'm going to take the first one here.
• 46:27
  We already mentioned it once and I'm going to go to a little
• 46:30
  something that I read, didn't like and then I listened to
• 46:34
  something We're going to we need to stick with countering drones.
• 46:37
  I think everybody here agrees. I think most of hokey notion
• 46:40
  agrees. But if you listened, not
• 46:43
  listened. If you read some transcripts
• 46:45
  from people putting things on Twitter Saturday night and
• 46:48
  Sunday morning about the Brent Pry practice conference, you
• 46:52
  probably were under the impression that Brent Bry said
• 46:56
  we needed Grant Wells back. I saw that and I was like,
• 47:01
  that's an unusual statement, especially the way Kyron played.
• 47:05
  Kyron played pretty well to be a first time starter on the road
• 47:09
  against the top 25 defense. So I decided to listen to the
• 47:12
  full interview and things were taken completely out of context.
• 47:16
  First of all, did he have some critiques of Conor?
• 47:19
  Yes, he did. He did, absolutely.
• 47:21
  But that was way at the front of the interview.
• 47:24
  That minute two or three, the comments about Grant Wells were
• 47:29
  as follows. And this is what people left out
• 47:32
  they he said, and this was all the quotes on Twitter.
• 47:35
  We need Grant Wells back. How many people did y'all see
• 47:40
  lose their ever loving minds when they saw that?
• 47:43
  Because what they did is they put the critiques of Cairo and
• 47:46
  then they layered it on top of that.
• 47:49
  Actually, this is what Coach Price said.
• 47:52
  Regardless of our quarterback situation, we need Grant back
• 47:56
  and I absolutely agree with that because right now Pop Watson is
• 47:59
  5 foot 11185 pounds. He is a small, small, true
• 48:05
  freshman quarterback. I hear that and I'm saying Brent
• 48:09
  Pride's mind is regardless what happens at the quarterback room,
• 48:13
  I need 2 quarterbacks that can play.
• 48:15
  Because if we are going to run Kyron drones 20 * a game, he's
• 48:20
  probably going to get popped once.
• 48:22
  And we're going to need someone that is as much as if you want
• 48:25
  to bust Wells all you want busing.
• 48:29
  But he could go out there and manage a game for a couple
• 48:32
  series that that that irritated me.
• 48:35
  Because as soon as I listen to it, I send it to all three of
• 48:37
  these gentleman, I'm like, listen, make sure I'm not losing
• 48:39
  my damn mind. Because that irritated me.
• 48:41
  And a lot of people were up in arms losing their damn mind
• 48:44
  saying fire him now. It's like he didn't say that
• 48:46
  though listen to the interview. So for everybody listening
• 48:50
  tonight, next week, don't look at Twitter, go to hokey athletic
• 48:55
  page, pull up the interview. Usually it's about 7 to 10
• 48:58
  minutes. Go on your air pods and listen
• 49:00
  to it. Then you actually hear his words
• 49:02
  verbatim versus someone chopping and screwing things and
• 49:06
  definitely looking for clicks. Don't have the floor now.
• 49:11
  Curtis Curtis fired up. That fires me up because you can
• 49:17
  easily twist something and get people upset and get people
• 49:20
  angry. We were already on tilt come
• 49:22
  Saturday night after the loss. Put that shit out there like
• 49:26
  that the way it was worded. He thinks, tire and stuff.
• 49:29
  No, he doesn't. And y'all.
• 49:32
  I will say he did say that threw me.
• 49:35
  I ain't going to say it threw me off because I mean it's.
• 49:38
  I understand the comment because I play football and I play
• 49:40
  sports and it sounds like something I tell my son.
• 49:43
  He said he was inconsistent. We got to get better at being
• 49:46
  consistent. When you have a first time
• 49:49
  starter, I just feel. And again, Brent, Brent Pride is
• 49:53
  very, very candid and high. He speaks.
• 49:55
  Which is great when you're interviewing him and when he's
• 49:59
  out talking and things like that.
• 50:00
  I think he has to do a little bit different job or find a
• 50:04
  little bit different way to handle some of the stuff.
• 50:06
  Because when you have like a first time starter like Kyra
• 50:09
  Drones, I don't feel that he's got that full embrace of the
• 50:13
  team and of the coaching staff and even of the fans for him to
• 50:18
  go and perform yet. You know, I'd like to see Brent
• 50:21
  take him under his wing a little bit and.
• 50:23
  And and and say, hey, we this kid, we won't work with him.
• 50:27
  We're going and he said a little bit of this, but you know
• 50:30
  leading up into the game it was never, you know, hey, Kyron's
• 50:33
  our guy. We going, we going go out there
• 50:36
  with him and whatever he's got, we got full confidence that he's
• 50:40
  going to go get it done. All we heard was well, it may be
• 50:42
  Grant Wells like we haven't got that full endorsement of Kyron,
• 50:47
  drones to go and be the starter and lead the team.
• 50:51
  I think he came in and did a great job.
• 50:53
  For what it was, you know. But I would just like for him
• 50:58
  just to get a little bit more endorsement.
• 51:00
  That's it. And now I'm on this.
• 51:02
  Let me since Curtis wants to have a little rant, can I have a
• 51:04
  little rant for a minute? Because somebody did on Twitter
• 51:07
  and I got to go. I got to talk about it a little
• 51:09
  bit. So somebody waits till Monday
• 51:13
  morning again. Everybody watching this.
• 51:16
  I just told y'all how to operate.
• 51:18
  Yeah, we record on Tuesdays today.
• 51:20
  We doing it on Monday. This is what we do for fun.
• 51:24
  We are not getting paid by the school.
• 51:26
  These guys that are on here are my brothers.
• 51:28
  This is what we do. We talk all the time about
• 51:30
  Virginia Tech athletics. We talk all the time about
• 51:33
  football in general. We watch a lot of sports.
• 51:37
  But what somebody thought would be cool to do was to go on
• 51:40
  Twitter and tag Boundary Quantum podcast and tag Talibans and say
• 51:45
  this guy said the staff is racist and if y'all are going to
• 51:50
  back him. I'm never listening to your show
• 51:52
  again. That's fucking bullshit.
• 51:55
  And if you never want to listen to me again, fucking don't
• 51:58
  listen. But if you're going to record
• 52:00
  something I say, or you're going to quote something I say, please
• 52:04
  make sure you dig and you find out exactly what I said.
• 52:07
  My comments were never that the staff was racist and that they
• 52:11
  didn't like black people. My comments were there are
• 52:14
  politics in football. I would like to know who is
• 52:17
  helping with the decision making.
• 52:19
  That's that's where that comment came from.
• 52:21
  Then I caveat of that by saying I live in Alabama.
• 52:25
  The people here are very blatant when they are racist.
• 52:29
  That's what I said. I said the fans here, if they
• 52:33
  don't want a quarterback, they're going to tell me exactly
• 52:35
  why they don't want him. That's what I said.
• 52:38
  Never said that Brett Pride's been on this show.
• 52:41
  And if I thought he was racist, I wouldn't have.
• 52:42
  I don't got to have a conversation with him.
• 52:44
  He don't have to have a conversation with me.
• 52:46
  But for somebody to go and try to cherry pick a comment and try
• 52:50
  to think that they're going to do anything to what we got going
• 52:52
  on here, let me tell you what you can do.
• 52:54
  I ain't going to even go there. I'm just going to tell you to
• 52:57
  have a nice day because it's a new week.
• 52:59
  That's. All I got to say, but in all
• 53:02
  seriousness, what? What?
• 53:05
  What? That Twitter user 123, whatever
• 53:07
  his name is. What you thought was saying or
• 53:10
  what you tried to make a big thing that would say it, A lot
• 53:14
  of people listen to us and that's why everybody jumped on
• 53:17
  your ass and that's why you had to back off of Twitter.
• 53:20
  Sometimes you just got to log out.
• 53:21
  Because if you waited till Monday morning, that was near
• 53:23
  and dear, in your heart you didn't listen good enough.
• 53:26
  You just took that and you didn't go to church.
• 53:28
  Go to church, man. Pray about that stuff.
• 53:30
  All right, Siegel. Sheldon, this is this is clearly
• 53:32
  we're just opening it up. Feelings Hour.
• 53:35
  We're we're what to do better moving forward.
• 53:38
  We've talked about a lot of it. Well, I mean, I'm just going to
• 53:42
  say this, I mean we talk about it all the time.
• 53:43
  And I, I know I said it in reply to this tweet, but I mean we're
• 53:47
  we're, we're open. We're in open forum here, right?
• 53:49
  Like we don't really pull punches.
• 53:52
  We we we want the thoughts and the ideas to be out there so and
• 54:00
  we want fans to interact with that.
• 54:02
  But what we want fans to do is interact with that in a way that
• 54:06
  is positive right in a in a way that generates the discussion,
• 54:09
  pushes the discussion forward, not shuts things down.
• 54:13
  When you start cherry picking things like that and twisting
• 54:15
  someone's words, you're not only alienating the people that enjoy
• 54:21
  what we're doing, but you're making it so other people don't
• 54:26
  want to engage and have those open discussions and feel like
• 54:29
  they can say stuff without, you know, somebody running and
• 54:33
  running it to Twitter and and making a big deal about it.
• 54:35
  So just come here and have fun. That's that's what this is
• 54:40
  about. Come in, have fun.
• 54:43
  Nobody was trying to ruin anyone's career or like.
• 54:46
  I'm open. I'm open, but what we doing
• 54:48
  here? Anybody who has anything to say
• 54:50
  to me, you can ask just about anybody that follows me on
• 54:53
  Twitter. I don't have a lot of followers.
• 54:55
  I got a couple of them. But anybody who engages with me
• 54:58
  on Twitter, man and my my DM's are open.
• 55:00
  I got plenty of people's number and Blacksburg treats me good.
• 55:04
  When I go to Blacksburg, man, I got a lot of friends there.
• 55:07
  I wouldn't travel 7 hours to a place where I thought people
• 55:09
  were racist and they didn't want me.
• 55:11
  So I'm just going to put that out every time I go to
• 55:13
  Blacksburg and every time I've been to Blacksburg over the past
• 55:17
  decade has been. A movie for me.
• 55:20
  So I just wanted to get my feelings out and I just wanted
• 55:23
  to address that because I'm not going to, I'm not going to, I'm
• 55:26
  not going to address stupidity too much.
• 55:28
  You know what I'm saying? Like I I'm going to say a little
• 55:30
  bit just so you can get your feelings out.
• 55:33
  But just like we had a comment section, if you hear me saying
• 55:36
  something that you don't agree with, please engage and tell me,
• 55:39
  Tally. I think that was dumb and we'll
• 55:41
  have a dialogue about it. So that's what we want here.
• 55:45
  That's why Curtis and Brian have did a great job setting up.
• 55:49
  What boundary corner is that? We do have those discussions,
• 55:52
  but we're not. I'm not going to take something
• 55:55
  that anybody in our audience says and twist it around to make
• 55:59
  it mean what I want it to be. That's just not what I'm going
• 56:01
  to do. I'm going to give you your
• 56:03
  opportunity to explain it. And then the person said, well,
• 56:06
  after watching the game, I do agree with you, drone should be
• 56:09
  the starter. But what are we arguing about?
• 56:11
  What are we arguing? About.
• 56:14
  But you know what else we got to do better moving forward?
• 56:17
  We talked about the old line switch.
• 56:18
  Got to do it. Got to start trying it.
• 56:21
  Sheldon. He laid it out here a little
• 56:23
  while ago. We were one of the worst teams
• 56:26
  with the explosive run plays. It has to stop.
• 56:29
  I don't know if that means stacked boxes.
• 56:33
  I'm not a technical expert. That's why we got Brian and
• 56:35
  Tally. Sheldon finds the dad.
• 56:37
  I just. Talked you got Tally.
• 56:43
  You played you. You played at a level I never
• 56:45
  did and a lot of people. Pull everybody out.
• 56:48
  Put a whole new line in. I don't know what.
• 56:51
  You did. There's two pieces.
• 56:53
  We haven't touched and Sheldon could probably find the stats on
• 56:56
  it right now. Y'all, we haven't forced a
• 56:58
  turnover since ODU. We have turned the ball over
• 57:02
  four times since ODU. Gotta win the turnover battle.
• 57:05
  We're. Losing that battle and in both
• 57:08
  games, both games we lost. Significant momentum switches
• 57:15
  when we had the turnovers. That has got to stop now.
• 57:19
  I know, I know the meshes and things like that are going to
• 57:23
  get better. I know if you keeping drones
• 57:26
  there he's going to get more time with two to more count
• 57:28
  Malachi, but we have not had a chance to pick or fumble or
• 57:35
  force a fumble since the ODU game.
• 57:39
  And it's not good because we're going in that trend where we
• 57:41
  were last year where we were one of the worst tools that for some
• 57:44
  turnovers we can't live and die like that with the way the
• 57:48
  offense is right now coming along.
• 57:51
  Yeah, I mean we, we talked about earlier razor thin margin,
• 57:54
  right. So it's like that with the
• 57:56
  injuries. It's also like that with the
• 57:58
  turnover battle. We are at such a razor thin
• 58:01
  margin where we can't make those type of mistakes that give teams
• 58:04
  extra possessions, that give teams short fields.
• 58:09
  So we've got to win the turnover battle every week, whether
• 58:11
  that's Marshall, whether that's ODU, whether that's Purdue,
• 58:16
  Rutgers, we got pit in a couple weeks.
• 58:19
  We cannot lose the turnover battle with the depth issues
• 58:24
  that we have with the injuries that we have right now.
• 58:26
  That's just, that's just the long and short of it.
• 58:28
  So anybody that's you got to be able to protect football.
• 58:30
  Man, you got a college a go ahead show.
• 58:32
  Yeah, I'm. Just going to say real quickly
• 58:34
  that it makes sense why they're not.
• 58:36
  Getting interceptions because as I said, nobody's starting the
• 58:38
  ball against tech. So you're essentially relying
• 58:40
  on, you know, 4 stumbles, which is kind of hard to do.
• 58:43
  But to me, the collusion from that should be just play better,
• 58:47
  play better run defense. I mean, because if you if you
• 58:49
  play better run defense, you force them to throw the ball
• 58:51
  more and to throw the ball more than.
• 58:53
  That's where chances were fixed. I mean, to me, it's really that
• 58:54
  simple. Just play better on the run.
• 58:58
  What defense is trying to do is is shut down the run game and
• 59:02
  make them test you down the feet, right?
• 59:04
  But like, that's generally the way that you try to.
• 59:07
  I mean that that that's the approach that most people have
• 59:09
  is that we can stop the run, force them to be 1 dimensional,
• 59:12
  make them throw the ball down the field.
• 59:14
  We have a better chance of turnovers and things can go our
• 59:18
  way. You know, we'll live and die
• 59:19
  with the beat ball here or there, but we might get some
• 59:22
  turnovers. That's going to help us if you
• 59:24
  can't get off the field because they're rushing the ball on you
• 59:27
  and if you're giving up long run plays consistently, you're going
• 59:30
  to have very limited opportunities, like Shelton
• 59:32
  said, to get turnovers. I mean forcing a phone call
• 59:35
  outside of a like a strip sack is difficult like that.
• 59:39
  They don't happen very often so. So they do not.
• 59:44
  All right. Last.
• 59:46
  Yep. Thanks.
• 59:47
  It's a good call, Sheldon, and that's why he's here.
• 59:50
  Last piece I got before we turn it over, We got to finish.
• 59:55
  We have to finish our drives. We cannot afford field goals.
• 1:00:00
  We have to finish stops. When we get a team in 3rd and
• 1:00:04
  more than five, they cannot get first down.
• 1:00:07
  So we've seen to meet and and maybe the stats aren't on this
• 1:00:11
  but as far as it goes from the eye test, it feels like third
• 1:00:13
  and four. It's like hold your breath like
• 1:00:16
  and they they're probably going to get this.
• 1:00:19
  And then the last piece we have to finish in the fourth quarter,
• 1:00:21
  it's two games now. We did not finish the 4th.
• 1:00:25
  That was the identity of this team last year.
• 1:00:29
  It slowly changed. Can do the last things of the
• 1:00:33
  game to me. We can't afford that this year.
• 1:00:36
  It needs to get righted quicker but we need to finish.
• 1:00:41
  I agree. I think that one thing we
• 1:00:44
  skipped over that I just want to maybe maybe I just was in my
• 1:00:47
  feelings and and Mr. saying it. But we talked probably talked
• 1:00:50
  about the the slow starts, mentioned the slow starts and
• 1:00:54
  things like that. Like we got to get off to a fast
• 1:00:57
  start. In some of these games, you know
• 1:00:59
  what I'm saying? We got to punch somebody in the
• 1:01:00
  mouth first because in any sport, when you get punched in
• 1:01:04
  the mouth, like everybody's got to plan until that happens, you
• 1:01:07
  know, And I feel like we were fighting, fighting the losing
• 1:01:11
  battle from the beginning of that game because we went out
• 1:01:13
  and fumbled the first drive and they go and score.
• 1:01:16
  So we got to go out and we got to we ought to create some
• 1:01:19
  things like that first we got to start getting up to a little bit
• 1:01:21
  better start and I think that you know of course that'll help
• 1:01:25
  us but. All the things that we're
• 1:01:27
  talking about will help us do that.
• 1:01:29
  Got to get off the field on 3rd downs.
• 1:01:31
  We got to stop turning the ball over.
• 1:01:33
  All of these things that we've talked about for the last what
• 1:01:37
  hour and and two minutes here. I know if we can cut some of
• 1:01:41
  that down, it's definitely gives us a better shot to win the
• 1:01:43
  game. Especially when you're paying
• 1:01:45
  people like Marshall. You know, not, no disrespect to
• 1:01:49
  Marshall, but like I expect a certain game from a Florida
• 1:01:53
  State or Clemson or even pit. But when you're playing people
• 1:01:57
  like Purdue or Rutgers, like we got, we got to find a way not to
• 1:02:02
  give them extra possessions and things like that.
• 1:02:05
  Or or give them that hope early on.
• 1:02:07
  Like just think about last year. The reason that you know we were
• 1:02:11
  able to jump down on BC earlier was because we we we jumped on
• 1:02:14
  them early we we killed their will early in that game with
• 1:02:18
  some defensive plays and some timely offense that.
• 1:02:23
  You know, they really didn't have a whole lot of pulse.
• 1:02:25
  They had to abandon what their game plan was and do something
• 1:02:28
  different. You know what that?
• 1:02:30
  Enabled us to tee off on that poor ass offensive line.
• 1:02:34
  So if we can finally do something like that, that that
• 1:02:38
  would at least help us be able to stay with our game plan,
• 1:02:42
  stick to what we do well and put some pressure on them to have to
• 1:02:48
  make a play instead of us having to make a play.
• 1:02:51
  I'm going to go to this right quick so we can we can move on.
• 1:02:54
  But Brian, you said you brought up BC last year.
• 1:02:58
  You know, I didn't have a pulse because that quarterback was
• 1:03:02
  who? Jacobic.
• 1:03:05
  Jacobic. Please, God, let him roll in
• 1:03:08
  there when Pitt comes into town next week.
• 1:03:10
  I'm not saying we're going to win, but don't change.
• 1:03:13
  Just let him go, please. Let him run in and have be the
• 1:03:16
  quarterback. It's horrible.
• 1:03:18
  He is horrible, man. All right, I'm gonna pitch this
• 1:03:22
  real quick and try to do this in as few words as possible.
• 1:03:25
  That sometimes can get difficult for us through the first three
• 1:03:29
  games. Shelton What's the team's
• 1:03:31
  identity? What's the team's identity?
• 1:03:34
  I mean, well, I mean, it's changed a lot.
• 1:03:38
  Like ODU, it was, you know, we're going to run the ball in
• 1:03:40
  first down no matter what. And it's like, OK, we're going
• 1:03:42
  to start passing ball because if you have to run game against
• 1:03:44
  Purdue and against Rutgers, obviously got a new quarterback,
• 1:03:48
  so you're running. A lot more, you know, RPO stuff,
• 1:03:51
  kind of getting the quarterback involved in the run game.
• 1:03:54
  Honestly, I don't know. It's just it's hard for me to
• 1:03:56
  judge because the personnel keeps changing and there's just
• 1:04:00
  nothing that's really sticking. So I would say obviously they
• 1:04:03
  want to, you know, use the quarterback in the run game.
• 1:04:05
  That's that's your office of identity.
• 1:04:07
  Defensively, I just, I think they've got no idea what's going
• 1:04:09
  on and I don't know, I couldn't tell you.
• 1:04:12
  So it's just it's kind of a it's kind of a mess right now.
• 1:04:18
  I think right now we auditioning for NCAA 2024.
• 1:04:22
  Is that when the game come out next year?
• 1:04:25
  Yeah, I think that's what we auditioning for.
• 1:04:27
  You know, we're just going to pick plays and until it until
• 1:04:30
  see what works and go from there.
• 1:04:32
  Hell, I don't know. I'm like Sheldon, man, it's
• 1:04:35
  changed every week. But I'm going to say this and I
• 1:04:38
  know you want me to keep it short, so I'm going to keep it
• 1:04:40
  short. I could see what the offense is
• 1:04:45
  supposed to look like in the Rutgers game.
• 1:04:48
  From what I've heard, from what they've been telling us and from
• 1:04:51
  what I've seen in the Rutgers game, I can see the style of
• 1:04:55
  offense that they want to run. I'm kind of with Tally here.
• 1:05:02
  I finally saw an identity on offense this week with drones.
• 1:05:06
  As the quarterback, I felt like with Wells you could see the
• 1:05:12
  passing schemes. What they were capable of,
• 1:05:15
  especially when you had Jennings in there and Lane in there, you
• 1:05:19
  can see what the what, what the capability is.
• 1:05:22
  But in terms of the full scope of what the offense is about,
• 1:05:26
  you saw that with drones in the game.
• 1:05:29
  Defensively, I feel like we are scrambling a little bit and I
• 1:05:33
  think most of that is because of the injuries and safety.
• 1:05:36
  I think we're still very inexperienced at linebacker and
• 1:05:39
  it's showing. And I think we're still a little
• 1:05:41
  undersized on the defensive line and it's showing.
• 1:05:45
  I think quarterback is the only position that I really feel has
• 1:05:49
  an identity right now. I feel like they are playing
• 1:05:53
  well. They're they're they're locking
• 1:05:55
  guys up pretty well. When when those situations
• 1:05:58
  arise, you know, we saw them throw a decent amount in the
• 1:06:03
  Purdue game. They they they they threw the
• 1:06:05
  ball around a little bit. They ran a lot, but they threw
• 1:06:07
  as well. We didn't see a ton of throwing
• 1:06:09
  in ODU. We didn't see a ton of throwing
• 1:06:11
  at Rutgers, but when they did throw, they weren't effective.
• 1:06:15
  Whether that's on the secondary or not, but right now
• 1:06:20
  statistically at least they're pretty good secondary and that's
• 1:06:25
  really the only thing. And that's really the only thing
• 1:06:27
  I feel like we're leaning on right now from a defense
• 1:06:29
  perspective statistically until we see more passing.
• 1:06:33
  And I think that's where the run game has to get fitted.
• 1:06:35
  And I think what my identity is, Brent Pride knows what he wants
• 1:06:38
  to do on defense. But right now the pieces aren't
• 1:06:41
  there, or the pieces are too young and they're making
• 1:06:43
  significant errors, especially in the linebacking core and even
• 1:06:47
  more so in the safety core. Offensively, I love what Y'all
• 1:06:51
  said. I didn't really know.
• 1:06:53
  It's like we were this first week, we were this the second
• 1:06:55
  weekend, were this the third week.
• 1:06:57
  But it goes back to what y'all two just said, How that looked
• 1:07:01
  looked like reminiscence of Penn State about five years ago.
• 1:07:05
  It looked like Joe Moorehead's offense that I've seen at
• 1:07:07
  Oregon, like I've seen at Mississippi State.
• 1:07:11
  And that's how you can go, because I look at our stats
• 1:07:14
  here. We have 368 total yards against
• 1:07:17
  ODU368. That was a full team, right?
• 1:07:21
  Jennings played, Lane played. Nobody was banged up to and
• 1:07:24
  Thomas last week down your two best receivers, brand new
• 1:07:28
  quarterback. We put out 339 or 319.
• 1:07:35
  Excuse me, I looked at the math room.
• 1:07:37
  That's 50 yards difference. And you're missing a hell of a
• 1:07:39
  lot of production there. Hell of a lot of production.
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  And we are back and we've lost Shelton.
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  He shall return in a moment. Now we are going to get into
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  Know the Enemy and we're going to take a look at Marshall and
• 1:09:19
  we're going to start, as always, on the offensive side of the
• 1:09:21
  ball. I'm going to give the floor to
• 1:09:24
  Brian Sigla as he discusses the scheme and some things we need
• 1:09:27
  to be looking for. Yeah guys, we're looking at the
• 1:09:31
  the Clint trick it it's it's another Smash Mouth spread RPO.
• 1:09:35
  We got a it's a run first scheme.
• 1:09:38
  Shocking to say, you know we're going to have to stop the run
• 1:09:40
  again this week. They like to go empty a lot with
• 1:09:44
  frequency. They'll split Rasheena Lee, who
• 1:09:47
  we'll talk about here in a second out wide.
• 1:09:49
  They'll run some draws out of that.
• 1:09:51
  They'll also swing it out there on screens and and swing passes
• 1:09:56
  and they're they're really heavy on that.
• 1:09:57
  But they will take the occasional deep shot in there as
• 1:10:00
  well. But it's supposed to a lot of
• 1:10:01
  the short stuff. And a heavy dose of the rushing
• 1:10:04
  attack. And since we're already here,
• 1:10:10
  I'll go ahead and talk a little bit about Rasheen Ali.
• 1:10:13
  He's there running back literally to me, the only player
• 1:10:18
  that scares me on this this offense.
• 1:10:23
  And it's not just because we have a a really struggle bus.
• 1:10:29
  Run a rush defense Right now he's pretty dangerous.
• 1:10:32
  He's he kind of reminds me of a of a poor man's.
• 1:10:37
  Is he? Havana, Canada.
• 1:10:39
  He gets to the second. And third level, he's pretty
• 1:10:42
  dangerous. If we can keep him contained in
• 1:10:44
  the backfield, I'll feel okay about it.
• 1:10:47
  Him getting to the second and third level, that's where he
• 1:10:49
  does a whole lot of damage. He can be a a big play threat
• 1:10:52
  but he is very boom or bust. You know, he's not that plotting
• 1:10:56
  running back that's going to get you a consistent, you know, 4 to
• 1:11:00
  8 yards as he's moving through the the line.
• 1:11:04
  He's either going to kind of go for one or two or it's going to
• 1:11:06
  be one of those 15 or 20 or even bigger games on the running
• 1:11:10
  game. So definitely an explosive
• 1:11:13
  running back that can make a big place.
• 1:11:15
  So we got to stop him. If we do, I'll feel a little bit
• 1:11:19
  better. Go ahead.
• 1:11:22
  Yeah, I was just going to say he was.
• 1:11:24
  He had a big year in 2021, went for about 1400 yards, 23
• 1:11:28
  touchdowns last year. Not that great of a year.
• 1:11:33
  I think he was injured. No, he was injured.
• 1:11:35
  The only one for about two, 273 last year, one touchdown.
• 1:11:40
  So had some injury problems there.
• 1:11:42
  But this year, you know he's already gone for 222 yards, 5
• 1:11:46
  touchdowns on 36 carries. Again, they are using them out
• 1:11:50
  of the back fill a little bit, about 5 catches, 47 yards.
• 1:11:53
  There are no touchdowns catching the ball.
• 1:11:55
  But pretty like you said, Brian hit nail on my head with him.
• 1:12:00
  Reminds you a lot of that name that we're not going to say like
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  Walmart, like we don't want to talk.
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  We don't say that name on this vodka.
• 1:12:08
  Curtis will get some flashbacks. Will feel like he's a bomb again
• 1:12:12
  or. Something yeah, it's crazy, but
• 1:12:15
  he's, he's, he's, he's one of the players on their team that.
• 1:12:18
  Kind of like Brian says, is a little bit scared.
• 1:12:21
  So we're going to have our hands full, we're going to have our
• 1:12:23
  hands full and I hope that our defensive staff are preparing
• 1:12:28
  for seeing him. All right.
• 1:12:31
  Shown any any deeper steps on Rasheena Lee?
• 1:12:36
  He has a 71% breakaway percentage, which I believe is
• 1:12:42
  it runs the 15 more yards. And that is a third among all
• 1:12:46
  running backs in the entire group of five.
• 1:12:48
  So, like, like Brian was saying, he's a big time exposed to play
• 1:12:51
  guy. All right, well, let's hope the
• 1:12:54
  defense can figure something out this week as they prep for him.
• 1:12:58
  Because if the past defense is what it is, they're going to
• 1:13:03
  have to stop #5. Caleb McMillan.
• 1:13:10
  Caleb is a six foot three £250 wide receiver.
• 1:13:14
  He was the almost the 25th 100 prospect in the class of 2018
• 1:13:20
  out of Orlando, FL and Edgewater High School was rated A2 star
• 1:13:24
  down there and really hadn't been much of A contributor up
• 1:13:27
  until this season. Only 198 yards last year with
• 1:13:32
  one touchdown. This year, and especially last
• 1:13:35
  week against ECU, big game, 85 yards, including a 75 yard
• 1:13:40
  touchdown. Brian.
• 1:13:43
  Was that 75 yard touchdown a make, a miss or was he down the
• 1:13:47
  field? Yeah, he was down the field.
• 1:13:52
  He's a guy that can beat you with the.
• 1:13:55
  He's a guy that he's their primary deep threat here, so
• 1:13:58
  he's going to be a guy that can beat you deep.
• 1:14:01
  But they will use him on those kind of swings and screens as
• 1:14:03
  well. So he's he does a little bit of
• 1:14:05
  both, but that big one kind of came off a deep ball.
• 1:14:08
  They will occasionally take a shot with him, but he's a guy
• 1:14:12
  that can kind of do a little bit of everything.
• 1:14:14
  But he's primarily going to be a guy that we're going to be
• 1:14:17
  concerned about if he's going deep.
• 1:14:21
  All righty. Well, let's hope we can stop him
• 1:14:24
  in that one. Tally.
• 1:14:27
  Who do you got up next? Yeah, so we got Kate Conley up
• 1:14:31
  next. He's there tight in.
• 1:14:33
  He was pretty interesting prospect, I guess, because you
• 1:14:37
  don't show any offers out of high school.
• 1:14:40
  Didn't even have a rating. Went to Central Michigan.
• 1:14:43
  Transferred from Central Michigan to Marshall while he
• 1:14:47
  was at Central Michigan in 2022. It's like he had 11 receptions
• 1:14:51
  for about 168 yards. Also not.
• 1:14:55
  Used a whole bunch in the passing game there, but this
• 1:14:59
  year he's already got 9 catches for 114 yards, so it looks like
• 1:15:03
  they are using him a little bit more there at at Marshall than
• 1:15:07
  he was. I know he's more of a blocking
• 1:15:08
  tight end, but seems to be a intricate part of their offense.
• 1:15:14
  Which you got on him, Brian? Yeah, I mean he's, I'd call him
• 1:15:18
  a balance tight end. He's definitely better at
• 1:15:22
  blocking than than being used in the passing game, but he's he's
• 1:15:24
  a fishing in the passing game. So I mean that's a lot of times
• 1:15:27
  that's what you want out of a tight end.
• 1:15:29
  Guys that can move the stick, kind of a change of pace in the
• 1:15:31
  passing game. But he blocks, he blocks really
• 1:15:34
  good for a tight end, blocks a good leverage, so shows
• 1:15:37
  surprising power for his size. So overall, just a guy that can
• 1:15:41
  kind of get in there and rough things up a little bit in the
• 1:15:44
  run game, but still kind of move the sticks for them in the
• 1:15:46
  passing game, showing anything on him as far as grades go,
• 1:15:51
  Anything unique, different? Not too much, pretty much a run
• 1:15:55
  in the mill tied in. They do target him a relatively
• 1:15:59
  solid amount, especially considering they've only played
• 1:16:01
  two games so far. They got 10 targets, but he
• 1:16:04
  averages almost 13 yards to catch, which from Marshalls is
• 1:16:07
  pretty good. So also, big time is supposed to
• 1:16:10
  play Guy. Alrighty, let's flip over.
• 1:16:13
  Let's take a look at the offensive line because they've
• 1:16:15
  got a guy, Kelly, much like the guy you were looking for.
• 1:16:20
  I could not find anything recruiting wide on Ethan
• 1:16:23
  Driscoll. Who is there?
• 1:16:25
  Left tackle #52, six foot nine £329 or red shirt senior.
• 1:16:31
  We crossed. Yeah, yeah, Big Boy.
• 1:16:33
  Holy Cross High School in Louisville, KY, where he played
• 1:16:36
  detackle in high school. Also played basketball and if
• 1:16:40
  you search his name up a lot of stuff is coming up.
• 1:16:43
  He is getting NFL looks. He was a preseason all Sunbelt
• 1:16:47
  second team by Phil Steele at Athlon with the Sunbelt
• 1:16:51
  Conference coaches. So Brian, is he good enough to
• 1:16:57
  potentially make it to the next level?
• 1:17:02
  I mean, he's got the right body. I mean, I think from a run game
• 1:17:05
  perspective, he's very good. But I'd say overall he's a very
• 1:17:09
  balanced left tackle, shows good footwork and strengthen the run
• 1:17:13
  game. You know, pass pro isn't
• 1:17:18
  exceptional but above average. So I mean just overall he's,
• 1:17:24
  he's definitely a guy that you know we could really use on our
• 1:17:27
  side of the ball at this point when we look at the.
• 1:17:33
  The tackles there? We probably could use you right
• 1:17:36
  now. I mean it'd be nice to have an
• 1:17:40
  NFL prospect on our offensive line right now for being honest
• 1:17:43
  just you know cuz I don't right now at least you know I know
• 1:17:46
  it's still early with some of the young guys but we we do not
• 1:17:48
  have an NFL prospect on our offensive line right now so they
• 1:17:53
  got one. Like I said, he's pretty solid
• 1:17:55
  overall and. I know Sheldon's got a couple
• 1:17:58
  other guys. He wants to talk a little bit
• 1:18:00
  about the grades and and where they kind of rank in the process
• 1:18:02
  there as well. Sure.
• 1:18:04
  So you've got Dalton Tucker who's played right guard and
• 1:18:07
  right tackle. He is a six year senior, highest
• 1:18:10
  credit offensive lineman for Marshall.
• 1:18:13
  On the flip side, Ultric Barlow is their left guard.
• 1:18:15
  He has been the lowest credit guy.
• 1:18:16
  He's a transfer from TCUA. Lot of experience with Trent
• 1:18:20
  Holler at center, 5th year senior.
• 1:18:23
  Very good in past blocking. One stat that I got so between
• 1:18:27
  Holler and Logan Osborne, who's their right guard, they've
• 1:18:30
  combined for 140 pass protection snaps and they have not allowed
• 1:18:34
  a single pressure. So Marshall has a team ranks top
• 1:18:38
  in the country through two games in pressure rate allowed.
• 1:18:42
  They they do not give up anything.
• 1:18:44
  Now you could say two games, small sample size, not a great
• 1:18:46
  competition, that's fair. But they're doing a lot of
• 1:18:49
  things very well in the past protection side so far you know
• 1:18:52
  doing it's the doing the things right against those lower
• 1:18:54
  levels. Yes.
• 1:18:55
  Now I'm surprised you say that. And then looking at the two
• 1:19:00
  games they've played this year because they had a comeback
• 1:19:02
  against Albany State. I don't know what Albany State
• 1:19:05
  is. I want to say D2 I don't think.
• 1:19:07
  I think at their FCSOK and then ECU last week same thing.
• 1:19:12
  This is not a good ECU team this year and they had a comeback on
• 1:19:15
  them. So hearing how good they played
• 1:19:18
  offensively, hear an explosive running plays, something's not
• 1:19:22
  quite either they are hitting home runs at the exact right
• 1:19:26
  time to win games or there's a lot more that's going on behind
• 1:19:31
  the scenes there about why they are struggling with not the best
• 1:19:36
  of teams. Let's flip to the sensitive side
• 1:19:38
  of the ball, Brian. Let's talk about the schemes and
• 1:19:42
  something unique we're probably going to see from their
• 1:19:45
  defensive coordinator, Jason Samoa.
• 1:19:49
  Yeah, I mean it's a, it's a, it's a 425I mean he calls it
• 1:19:53
  A425I mean it looks like a 245. They they they used to stand up
• 1:19:58
  D NS. And the reason I say it's more
• 1:20:02
  of a 4245 is that they do use those those ends in a lot of
• 1:20:07
  zone blitz schemes, right. So that they're they're dropping
• 1:20:10
  those guys in coverage on a regular basis, not, not
• 1:20:13
  necessarily both at the same time, but sometimes they do, but
• 1:20:16
  it's usually one or the other. You know the he's the he's the
• 1:20:21
  new guy, first year taking over for Lance Guidry.
• 1:20:25
  Scheme is pretty much the same though.
• 1:20:27
  So you're not going to see a bunch of different, different
• 1:20:32
  differences from a scheme perspective, but it's deployed a
• 1:20:34
  little bit different. You got a new guy that's calling
• 1:20:36
  the place in there. All right.
• 1:20:38
  So it's always interesting anytime you see a change in play
• 1:20:41
  caller as we're seeing on the defense this year.
• 1:20:45
  It can happen and things can change.
• 1:20:47
  Let's talk about some of the players on their defensive side
• 1:20:49
  of the ball and I'm going to start with Sam Burden of 6 foot
• 1:20:52
  two £230 defensive lineman. He is at a Spanish river
• 1:20:57
  community in Boca Raton, FL. He is a class of 2018 eighteen
• 1:21:01
  19202122. He is a fifth year guy, probably
• 1:21:05
  with a COVID year of eligibility left.
• 1:21:08
  Not a lot of offers coming out. The Thune Cookman FIU or some
• 1:21:12
  that did give him some offers. FIU as a walk on offer.
• 1:21:16
  But you know what? As a two star guy, he's gotten
• 1:21:19
  to Marshall and he's actually made a kind of a decent career
• 1:21:23
  of it so far. Especially the last two years.
• 1:21:26
  21 and 2261 Total tackles, 11 1/2 titles for loss along with
• 1:21:31
  eight sacks already starting this year with a strong
• 1:21:34
  campaign. 6 tackle, excuse me, 9 tackles, 3 1/2 sacks.
• 1:21:40
  Brian what is his tape showing as far as it goes and does he
• 1:21:45
  stand up or is he up and down with his hand?
• 1:21:47
  He's the standup guy. Unless they go into like a true
• 1:21:50
  dime package, which they will from time to time, that dime
• 1:21:56
  package is kind of a a three man line.
• 1:21:59
  So the the the two standup D n's will be the the the hand of the
• 1:22:02
  dirt D n's and that look there. But he's a he's a standup.
• 1:22:06
  You call him outside linebacker and call him DN depending on
• 1:22:08
  which way you want to spin it there.
• 1:22:10
  But he's their best all around D lineman.
• 1:22:12
  We'll call him a D lineman in this case, really good
• 1:22:15
  combinations of strength and speed and he will get, like I
• 1:22:19
  said he will get dropped in coverage on zone blitz calls
• 1:22:22
  there. They'll also use them as a spy
• 1:22:26
  if you got an athletic quarterback, so look for that.
• 1:22:28
  If Drones is the guy this week and like I said, when they
• 1:22:34
  rarely go into that dime look, he'll be the in that four eye
• 1:22:36
  alignment. We got anything extra on him
• 1:22:41
  Shelton from analytics perspective?
• 1:22:44
  Yes, he is the 4th highest rating group of five edge
• 1:22:48
  rusher. He's got 12 quarterback
• 1:22:51
  pressures and 51 pass rush opportunities, which is around
• 1:22:56
  25%. So about quarter, the time he's
• 1:22:58
  getting to the quarterback. Quarter the time he's getting
• 1:23:00
  the quarterback and I hear 3 1/2 sacks.
• 1:23:02
  It sounds like when he pressures, it's 1/3 of a time
• 1:23:05
  he's getting there when he puts the pressure on so.
• 1:23:09
  Why do you keep putting higher and higher numbers on all these
• 1:23:11
  guys, Sheldon? I mean, it's not going to, it's
• 1:23:13
  not going to get better. They they've got a good defense.
• 1:23:15
  It's not getting better. Well, may well, who's the next
• 1:23:18
  guy we going to talk about Tally so Sheldon can make us feel
• 1:23:21
  worse? Talking about linebackers, Eli
• 1:23:23
  Neal for linebacker, where I was #24, it's about 6 foot 226 out
• 1:23:29
  of high school. He went to a white station there
• 1:23:32
  in Memphis, TN. Not a ton.
• 1:23:36
  A ton of. Big offers out of high school.
• 1:23:39
  He had about 15 offers, one being Arkansas, I'm sorry, one
• 1:23:46
  being Arkansas. So Arkansas and Marshall offered
• 1:23:49
  him. He went to our went to to
• 1:23:52
  Marshall. He is a 2019 guy so he's been
• 1:23:55
  there for a little bit. He was 2020 All Conference USA
• 1:24:03
  Honorable mention. 2021 All Conference USA Honorable
• 1:24:06
  Mention. 2022 Honorable mention in 2020 in 23, he is a preseason
• 1:24:16
  All Sunbelt Conference second team with Phil Steele, and then
• 1:24:20
  2023 preseason all Sunbelt Conference first team with
• 1:24:25
  Athlon. So that's just a little bit of
• 1:24:27
  accolades that he's had or how they feel about him.
• 1:24:31
  Where's my other stat on him? Just what he's doing this year?
• 1:24:37
  From what it's showing, it says he has about 14 tackles so far
• 1:24:42
  this year, so each game he's had about 7 tackles, half a sack in
• 1:24:48
  the in the first game. That's what I'm seeing on him.
• 1:24:51
  Brian, what you got? Yeah, he plays that Mike
• 1:24:55
  linebacker for them. He he's very effective against
• 1:24:57
  the run. So you know it.
• 1:25:00
  It's going to be hard finding some space in that middle there,
• 1:25:04
  especially if we continue blocking the way we have.
• 1:25:07
  Does a good job of shedding blockers, uses his hands really
• 1:25:09
  well, is really physical at the point of attack.
• 1:25:13
  The only thing I'd say he can get fooled with some
• 1:25:14
  misdirection, whether it's motion or whether it's using
• 1:25:19
  your offensive line to kind of create misdirection, whether
• 1:25:22
  it's in a counter or some sort of RPO going away from the flow.
• 1:25:28
  He he does primarily key on the guard, so if you can play around
• 1:25:32
  with that, sometimes you can get him out of position.
• 1:25:34
  But very sound linebacker overall and good playmaker all.
• 1:25:41
  Right, bring us break. The more bad news where is he
• 1:25:45
  like the best linebacker in the G5 level?
• 1:25:48
  Shelton. Not quite, but he does have
• 1:25:50
  another good pass pass rush grade up at 83. 66 quarterback
• 1:25:56
  pressures in in 12 or excuse me, five in nine opportunities.
• 1:26:01
  So a small sample there, but like I said, I mean these guys
• 1:26:04
  just they get to the QB all. Right.
• 1:26:07
  We we keep hearing more about them getting to the QB.
• 1:26:10
  It's our offensive line. You know what I joked with them?
• 1:26:15
  I'm going to be at my son's baseball game during this game,
• 1:26:18
  with the exception of probably about 20 minutes of it.
• 1:26:20
  So if we win. I don't think y'all are going to
• 1:26:23
  allow me back in front of the TV, right?
• 1:26:24
  Especially as good as they are statistic standpoint.
• 1:26:27
  No more, No more Vt guns for you the rest of the year.
• 1:26:30
  Live I can watch it on replay when it's over right One more
• 1:26:35
  player to hit up here and his name is Daytoni Smith.
• 1:26:38
  He is a defensive back from Highland Springs High School.
• 1:26:42
  Boys Highland Springs High School had to throw them all
• 1:26:46
  here. Was a two star prospect when he
• 1:26:48
  came out back in 2020. So far this year, 11 total
• 1:26:55
  tackles. He does have one sack.
• 1:26:56
  He has a past deflection, played in eight games.
• 1:26:59
  Last year we also had 18 tackles, 3 past deflections and
• 1:27:03
  just a very short time frame There.
• 1:27:07
  They put him as defensive back. Where is he going?
• 1:27:09
  Sigla? We're going to see him at one
• 1:27:11
  specific spot or is he move around?
• 1:27:14
  He's moved around. I've seen, I mean he's listed as
• 1:27:16
  a cornerback, but I've seen him at safety in pretty much I'd say
• 1:27:22
  75% of the steps I've watched. He's lining up at safety.
• 1:27:27
  He'll he'll kind of be that third safety in this look here.
• 1:27:30
  They'll also put him at corner, but he's really strong in man
• 1:27:33
  coverage. That's where he excels.
• 1:27:36
  I haven't seen him play a huge factor in in run support, but
• 1:27:41
  when he does, he is very competent and he he tackles
• 1:27:43
  pretty well and they'll use him in a lot of the blitz packages.
• 1:27:47
  He's very effective in getting home, not always getting the
• 1:27:51
  sack, but he will get there and cause a little bit of disruption
• 1:27:54
  in the backfield. Alrighty, anything exclusive on
• 1:27:59
  him, Shelton? Yeah, Brian's eye test kind of
• 1:28:02
  lined up with most of the grades, Good in coverage, not so
• 1:28:05
  good in in run sport. And like he was saying, he has
• 1:28:08
  been used in a lot of different positions, so some in the box
• 1:28:12
  summit free safety and some of the slot as well.
• 1:28:15
  So very versatile, versatile player.
• 1:28:18
  All right, done shocked me coming from Highland Springs and
• 1:28:21
  what they do out there. So there is no the enemy.
• 1:28:24
  Some players and some things to look for during the game on
• 1:28:28
  Saturday at 12 on ESPN2 for the second time this year.
• 1:28:32
  But now let's talk about what the Hokies keys are and I'm
• 1:28:35
  going to start with Shelton. Shelton, what is your key for
• 1:28:38
  the Hokies this week? Yeah.
• 1:28:40
  So I my key was secondary play. I mean it's got to be better.
• 1:28:43
  You look at, you know, the running numbers they've been
• 1:28:45
  giving up, I think most that falls on the guys in the back
• 1:28:47
  seven. You look at the the freshman
• 1:28:50
  tech is playing between Caleb Woodson most fields, you throw
• 1:28:53
  Jalen Jones in there it has not been great.
• 1:28:56
  I mean these are some of you know the worst grades and and
• 1:28:58
  all the power five quite frankly at their respective positions.
• 1:29:01
  We saw them try monster lanes, summit safety, but that's not
• 1:29:05
  going to be you know a dependable strategy for the
• 1:29:06
  entire game. So the secretary play has to be
• 1:29:10
  better. I think they need to do better
• 1:29:12
  job of sticking to their assignments and playing
• 1:29:14
  anticipatory football. All righty, Sigla, what do you
• 1:29:20
  got this week as far as your hokey keys go?
• 1:29:24
  Get home. We've got to get in the
• 1:29:27
  backfield, whether that's disrupting, using the defensive
• 1:29:30
  line to disrupt the rushing lanes, get those tackles for
• 1:29:33
  losses, but also getting after the quarterback and putting them
• 1:29:37
  behind the chains significantly. Because right now, teams that
• 1:29:43
  right now feel that they can run the football against us if the
• 1:29:47
  down and distance is 8 or less, they they're comfortable.
• 1:29:50
  Are it's third, third and eight, Fuck it.
• 1:29:52
  We'll run the ball against this team.
• 1:29:54
  We'll probably get the first down.
• 1:29:55
  We've got to get the Marshall behind the sticks consistently
• 1:29:59
  and make them have to go to the throw and then we have to
• 1:30:02
  continue to tackle well. If we can do that, we can slow
• 1:30:05
  this team down all. Righty, Tally.
• 1:30:09
  I think after here Tally wrote this down the a couple last
• 1:30:13
  night and then after hearing Shelton's, it's even going to be
• 1:30:15
  more clear, right? Yeah, we got to keep the
• 1:30:17
  quarterback clean, man. Got to keep the quarterback
• 1:30:20
  clean. He ran the ball 22 times against
• 1:30:23
  Rutgers. So he's going to get out and
• 1:30:24
  he's going to try to make some plays, put his feet.
• 1:30:27
  But when he's in the pocket and he's trying to deliver throws,
• 1:30:31
  especially after hearing about all the people that they have
• 1:30:33
  that are rushing the passer, that are getting home, that are,
• 1:30:36
  you know, just. Causing chaos in the backfield.
• 1:30:41
  We got to keep whoever the quarterback is there upright.
• 1:30:44
  It's covering drones. We got to keep them clean.
• 1:30:47
  If it's Grant wells, we got to keep them clean because if we
• 1:30:49
  don't do that, it's going to get ugly for us.
• 1:30:52
  Yeah, I agree with you there. I got a little one on the
• 1:30:55
  offensive side of the ball too and it's going to be third down
• 1:30:57
  efficiency. We need to continue the
• 1:30:59
  improvement for due on 3rd and 4th down conversions.
• 1:31:02
  We were 21%. That took a significant
• 1:31:07
  increase, almost 100% increase. Going against Rutgers went up to
• 1:31:12
  39%. We need to continue to do that.
• 1:31:15
  If for nothing else, it's going to help the defense if we're
• 1:31:19
  staying off the field. We dominated TOP versus Rutgers.
• 1:31:23
  I think that's one reason why the dam didn't break until as
• 1:31:25
  late as it did, because we did keep them off the field.
• 1:31:29
  So keep that trending in the right direction.
• 1:31:32
  Keep converting the third downs, keep converting the 4th downs.
• 1:31:35
  I will say this Brent Prize aggressiveness.
• 1:31:38
  This year I've liked. There's been times where it's
• 1:31:41
  like we're not pun, we're not going, we're trying to score
• 1:31:43
  points, which does make me a happy individual.
• 1:31:47
  So Sheldon, you got one more thing you want to throw in on
• 1:31:50
  this? Yeah.
• 1:31:52
  So just to find out where I'm Marshall, obviously, they've
• 1:31:55
  really struggled to run the ball this year.
• 1:31:57
  We talked about the really good pass protection, I think if
• 1:32:00
  you're looking for comps to Virginia Tech's previous
• 1:32:02
  opponents. Their offense is probably not
• 1:32:04
  quite as good as Rutgers, but definitely a much more
• 1:32:07
  formidable opponent than than Old Dominion was.
• 1:32:10
  They have a very experienced defense, They've got multiple
• 1:32:13
  4th year starters, 5th year starters, even one sixth year
• 1:32:16
  player, and you know, bottom line, this is a really, really
• 1:32:19
  good defensive program. Not just team, but program.
• 1:32:22
  You look at over the past three years and SP plus defensive
• 1:32:26
  rankings 22nd, 41st and 8th. So they had the 8th best defense
• 1:32:31
  of the country last year according to SP Plus and that's
• 1:32:33
  adjusted for strength of schedule, everything so that you
• 1:32:36
  know that takes without all the teams are playing.
• 1:32:38
  This is a really, really good defensive program.
• 1:32:39
  So as we can see by the the Vegas line do not expect a lot
• 1:32:43
  of points and Bridget Tech is going to have to try really hard
• 1:32:45
  to to get some points on the scoreboard today.
• 1:32:47
  So I expect a grudge match. Alrighty.
• 1:32:50
  Well, let's look to it. Let's get to our prediction and
• 1:32:53
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• 1:33:19
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  Last week we all picked the exact same record, everybody was
• 1:33:57
  two and five. So if you're bend the lines on
• 1:34:00
  our games, maybe not, but we'll say Tally, you're starting it
• 1:34:06
  off. What's going to happen this week
• 1:34:08
  at Marshall? You know what, man?
• 1:34:10
  I'm going to say. Last week I picked Rutgers to
• 1:34:14
  win. This week I'm going to go, I'm
• 1:34:17
  going to go with the Hokies, man.
• 1:34:19
  I think that we're going to go in, we're going to have a little
• 1:34:22
  bit more of a game plan or what we need to do, and I'm going to
• 1:34:26
  say Hokies pull this game off 2821.
• 1:34:34
  I'm taking the Hokies, man. If if we don't get this one,
• 1:34:38
  though, I'm going to start having a little bit of doubt
• 1:34:40
  creeping in. You're probably going to see
• 1:34:42
  another team's logo pop up next week, but I'm going Hokies 27th,
• 1:34:48
  Marshall 21. I think it's kind of a
• 1:34:51
  Grindfest. I think we get one late to kind
• 1:34:53
  of put it over the top. All right, Shelton.
• 1:34:58
  I'm taking the Hokies also outright, mainly based on gut
• 1:35:01
  feel. I think Kyron Jones is going to
• 1:35:03
  make a couple of big plays with his feet.
• 1:35:06
  Even though I'm concerned about this matchup because Marshall
• 1:35:08
  has some lockdown corners and obviously they they don't really
• 1:35:11
  let anyone get to the quarterback, I I just got to go
• 1:35:14
  with my gut, my gut saying BT, they're going to make a couple
• 1:35:16
  big plays late and they're going to come away with a with a close
• 1:35:18
  win. All righty, I'm I'm with y'all
• 1:35:20
  as well. A little different score, 2717
• 1:35:23
  here. Hokies win again.
• 1:35:26
  It's Utah, the Gut Field Show. And I think it's also, you watch
• 1:35:30
  them play as good as they are, statistically as good as they
• 1:35:33
  are, they have been in two wars. The Albany State game has to be
• 1:35:38
  questioned. They were down and had to have
• 1:35:40
  two fourth quarter scores to come back in that game to beat
• 1:35:43
  them 21 to 17. That's why I'm sticking with the
• 1:35:47
  Hokies on this one. All righty big screeners time
• 1:35:52
  and good God all. When we started talking and
• 1:35:54
  texting yesterday with the amount of big games coming on
• 1:36:00
  this week, it was insane. This is my big Screener.
• 1:36:03
  Hey, it's going to be on in the afternoon so I will get to
• 1:36:06
  actually watch it. After baseball, we got the
• 1:36:10
  Colorado Buffaloes who pulled out somewhat of a miracle
• 1:36:14
  against Colorado State for all those I saw somebody put up
• 1:36:18
  there the other day. I don't know how my body's doing
• 1:36:20
  is staying up to 2:00 in the morning.
• 1:36:22
  Y'all are some non veteran people out there.
• 1:36:26
  Veteran of PAC 12 after dark. You stand until 2:00 all the
• 1:36:30
  time to watch the late games on the West Coast and people
• 1:36:33
  complaining. Get up at 2:00 or go to bed at
• 1:36:35
  2:00. Wake up at 6:30 with the kids in
• 1:36:38
  this game. That is a massive line.
• 1:36:41
  Colorado is going to score points.
• 1:36:43
  I do not have a doubt about that.
• 1:36:45
  I do think Oregon wins, but. You're going to give me 19 1/2
• 1:36:49
  points With the way Shamir Sanders and that offenses looked
• 1:36:52
  thus far, I will take it. I don't know what the Over under
• 1:36:55
  is, but lock that up as well because this is going to be a
• 1:36:57
  shootout at the zoo in Austin. Yeah, let's see who's next on
• 1:37:04
  that one. Tally.
• 1:37:05
  Tally, who you got? Yeah, man, I'm.
• 1:37:07
  I'm taking to Colorado as well. I think Oregon wins that game.
• 1:37:11
  But you know, 19 1/2 points, that's a lot of points, man.
• 1:37:14
  I don't think that, Oregon. Blows them off the field by 20
• 1:37:18
  points. No way.
• 1:37:20
  No way. You're with me here.
• 1:37:22
  All righty, what about this one for you?
• 1:37:26
  I'm going with the Buffs. Oregon will win the game.
• 1:37:28
  But sure, Sanders is a gamer. He's not going to go down
• 1:37:30
  without a fight. Brian, we're going across the
• 1:37:35
  board here. I'm right there with you.
• 1:37:37
  I think Sanders is going to be a gamer.
• 1:37:41
  Even if they fall behind 123 stores, I think you'll do
• 1:37:45
  something late, kind of bring that thing close.
• 1:37:47
  I do think Oregon ends up pulling up the wind, but 19 1/2
• 1:37:50
  is just too much water. Way too much.
• 1:37:52
  By the way, we should have got this line earlier or later.
• 1:37:56
  Like an hour ago it went up to 21.
• 1:37:59
  Just so y'all know I'd even be hammering buffaloes even more.
• 1:38:02
  71 1/2 is the over under. That seems way too way too
• 1:38:07
  small. All righty Brian, you are up
• 1:38:10
  next. What game do you have on the
• 1:38:11
  docket this week? I got the Ole Miss Bama game and
• 1:38:15
  I'm. This is interesting.
• 1:38:17
  I mean it's obviously 22 ranked SEC opponents.
• 1:38:22
  But to me this is interesting because this might be depending
• 1:38:26
  on what Alabama is able to do. We haven't seen really good
• 1:38:30
  offense from this Alabama team in any game so far this year.
• 1:38:35
  They're switching back to Millro.
• 1:38:37
  I mean they they had a quarterback shelf of the last
• 1:38:39
  three weeks, so I'm interested to see what happens here.
• 1:38:44
  But I've got Old miss. I mean 11 1/2 is a whole lot for
• 1:38:47
  a team that's struggling that much delay.
• 1:38:49
  So give me Old Miss. It'll be a tight one.
• 1:38:51
  I think Alabama might squeak it, but if they don't, this could be
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  the earliest that Alabama is a non factor.
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  Maybe in the College Football Playoff. 2010, yeah, right. 2010
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  was the last time it was this early.
• 1:39:07
  And I'm with him. By the way, we caught this line
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  at a great point. This line has went down 4 1/2
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  points since we locked it in yesterday.
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  Give me Ole Miss as well. Especially the way Alabama is
• 1:39:18
  struggling on offense. I I I can't foresee who's gonna
• 1:39:21
  actually win the game. Because I feel like save it
• 1:39:24
  against Disciples. He always does well, but I'll
• 1:39:27
  definitely take Ole Miss with 11 1/2 points.
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  Tally tally who you got. Yeah, I'm going to Ole Miss as
• 1:39:33
  well, man. I mean, Alabama making another
• 1:39:36
  quarterback change. They've been in quarterback
• 1:39:38
  disarray, worse than the Hokies as far as who's going to play,
• 1:39:41
  who's not going to play Lane usually if he just goes out and
• 1:39:46
  coaches a football game. I think it'll be a good game.
• 1:39:49
  You know, Lane, last year, he gets so caught up in the him
• 1:39:53
  versus saving thing. He just makes stupid, you know,
• 1:39:56
  going for it on his own 30 and stuff like that.
• 1:39:59
  If he just goes out and he coaches a football game, I think
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  we'll have a close game again. I can't pick who wins that game,
• 1:40:05
  but I don't think Alabama beats him by 12 points.
• 1:40:10
  But you shall. Yeah, I'm taking Bama mainly
• 1:40:13
  because Nick Saban. I I trust a a mad Nick Saban led
• 1:40:18
  team. I know they did not play well.
• 1:40:20
  They did not play well last week.
• 1:40:22
  I know he's going to give it to them.
• 1:40:23
  So they're going to come out motivated this week?
• 1:40:25
  That's fair. That is fair.
• 1:40:27
  That is very fair. It is.
• 1:40:29
  He easily bounces back pretty strong.
• 1:40:32
  All right, Tally, where are you going on Saturday afternoon with
• 1:40:37
  your big Screener? We got to go Clemson, Florida
• 1:40:40
  State, man. I mean, everybody picked them to
• 1:40:42
  be at the top of ACC this year. We got Florida State, what 2 1/2
• 1:40:48
  points, 3 1/2 three and a half. We called it early.
• 1:40:51
  I thought we got a 3 1/2. We got a 2 1/2. 2 1/2 Yeah, man,
• 1:40:57
  you know what? I'm taking Clemson.
• 1:40:59
  I'm taking Clemson in this game. I've seen some kings in the
• 1:41:02
  armor for Florida State. We've been talking about Florida
• 1:41:04
  State being a being a College Football Playoff team and and
• 1:41:10
  they may, but you know, I think Clemson has something to prove.
• 1:41:14
  I've seen BC give. I know it's the red banana game.
• 1:41:18
  I know those games are crazy. But I'm not just ready to say
• 1:41:21
  Florida State is all the way back, so I'm taking Clemson
• 1:41:27
  Sheldon. Yes, I'm taking FSU.
• 1:41:31
  I think FSU is at the point now in terms of their recruiting
• 1:41:34
  development where they have the skill guys to compete with
• 1:41:36
  Clemson. Personally, I think Clemson
• 1:41:38
  skill players are a little bit average.
• 1:41:40
  So I think this is a game where I expect FSU to win.
• 1:41:43
  I think they've got the the better quarterback and they're
• 1:41:45
  gonna they're gonna win this game.
• 1:41:47
  Yeah. Down in Death Valley high noon
• 1:41:49
  so opposite of the Hokies game so get you definitely get you
• 1:41:52
  two screens going. I'm I'm with Shelton on this
• 1:41:56
  tally and I think what happened in the Red Bandana game was the
• 1:42:00
  best thing that happened to Florida State.
• 1:42:03
  They got challenged by a team a lot lesser than them in a
• 1:42:07
  hostile environment. If they go up there and blow the
• 1:42:10
  doors off, BCI might lean the other way.
• 1:42:15
  But I think having that adversity, it's an easy thing to
• 1:42:17
  coach to like. Look what just happened.
• 1:42:19
  We took our foot off the gas. We took our off the prize.
• 1:42:22
  We damn near loss to a team that almost lost the Holy Cross and
• 1:42:27
  did lose to Northern Illinois. Give me the Knowles.
• 1:42:30
  Give me the Knowles by two scores.
• 1:42:32
  Oh, OK, I'm give me the. He's locking it up.
• 1:42:35
  He's locking it up. I'm saying it's going to be a
• 1:42:38
  they're going, they're going to dispatch a Clemson pretty easy.
• 1:42:41
  Well, not easy, but you know. Well, I'm going Florida State as
• 1:42:46
  well here and for a lot of the same reasons.
• 1:42:49
  You know, I think talent wise they're there.
• 1:42:51
  But Curtis mentioned it. They got a test.
• 1:42:55
  I think we're going to see a similar type of urgency that we
• 1:42:57
  saw from UNC against Minnesota after they had that scare at App
• 1:43:02
  State. I think it's going to be a
• 1:43:04
  similar type situation. Florida State comes out focused,
• 1:43:08
  ready to handle Clemson. And I think as Shelton said, the
• 1:43:12
  skill position players for Clemson are very pedestrian.
• 1:43:15
  You got Shipley and then a bunch of guys.
• 1:43:17
  There's there's not really a standout, a ton of standout
• 1:43:21
  skill position players like they're used to having.
• 1:43:23
  So give me Florida State here. Alrighty.
• 1:43:29
  And if that wasn't enough, Shelton's pick is, I think, the
• 1:43:33
  highest rated game of the week #9 against #6.
• 1:43:37
  Sheldon, who'd you pick on yours?
• 1:43:40
  Give me the Buckeyes. I trust Ryan Day.
• 1:43:44
  I'm a big Ryan Day fan. I know he's kind of
• 1:43:46
  underperformed and in some of those big time games, but I
• 1:43:48
  think this is the one where he gets him back and he gets a big,
• 1:43:51
  I'd say, fan base. Inducing confidence Win.
• 1:43:59
  The way they've looked. He needs it.
• 1:44:01
  I who you got Tally. Tally.
• 1:44:04
  Man, I'm gonna go Notre Dame in this, man.
• 1:44:06
  I just, I've watched Sam Hartman.
• 1:44:08
  They had a show. I can't remember what the name
• 1:44:10
  of the show is, but I watched him in high school, then it
• 1:44:13
  watched him in college, and now he's with the Notre Dame.
• 1:44:15
  And I, I mean, he's a kids, a gamer, man.
• 1:44:19
  I think he's gonna go and he's gonna have a good game and
• 1:44:21
  they're gonna take this one. Alrighty.
• 1:44:25
  I am next on this one. This one is at Notre Dame under
• 1:44:28
  the touchdown. Jesus.
• 1:44:30
  And to be honest, just the way the Buckeyes offense has looked,
• 1:44:34
  I'm going to take the 3 1/2 points we're getting with the
• 1:44:36
  Notre Dame. I don't know who went.
• 1:44:38
  It's just like the Ole Miss game.
• 1:44:40
  I that game. I can't see Bamma winning by
• 1:44:43
  more than two scores this game. I think it's going to be that
• 1:44:46
  classic 2728 game. Whoever has the ball potentially
• 1:44:50
  last wins, and I got to go with Notre Dame just because of Sam
• 1:44:54
  Hartman being at home. Give me the points, home Dog
• 1:44:59
  points, baby. See.
• 1:45:02
  Yeah, I'm. I'm going to Ohio State here.
• 1:45:04
  I think that so far the Ohio State hasn't really put a a
• 1:45:09
  full, complete game out there yet.
• 1:45:11
  I think they buckle up for a big ring to match up and finally do
• 1:45:16
  that. And I think they're able to
• 1:45:18
  cover that 3 1/2. I I think it's still like a six
• 1:45:20
  or seven point game, but I think they win by a score late, Wins
• 1:45:24
  by a score late. All right, we got one more.
• 1:45:27
  It's just another big game this week.
• 1:45:29
  It's Saturday night under the lights at Kennick Stadium where
• 1:45:33
  top ten train, top ten teams dreams go to die.
• 1:45:37
  How many times if people went into that place, they wave to
• 1:45:40
  the kids at the hospital and the next thing you know I was
• 1:45:43
  beating you 1312 because some fluky stuff happens.
• 1:45:47
  Brian, you're going to lead out with this one.
• 1:45:50
  We talked we should have held on a few more minutes on this one.
• 1:45:52
  I guess one this one went up to today 1330 1/2 eighteen and a
• 1:45:59
  actually it's not at Kenneck. I thought it was a Kenneck.
• 1:46:05
  It's a it's at Penn State. That's.
• 1:46:08
  It's Penn State. It went to 14 1/2 today.
• 1:46:11
  So Brian, who you got? Well, that's why I got Penn
• 1:46:16
  State. Yeah.
• 1:46:21
  So if they were waving at the kids, you know that 10 1/2 and
• 1:46:24
  even you know what you said 14 1/2 would would be a little bit
• 1:46:27
  much. But in Happy Valley, 10 1/2
• 1:46:32
  seems just about right. So I'm going to go Penn State
• 1:46:34
  here. Well, my original pick was me
• 1:46:36
  looking at it completely ass backwards and thinking it was a
• 1:46:39
  Kennick, not at Beaver Stadium. Well.
• 1:46:43
  It's on the board. It's on the board now, Curtis.
• 1:46:45
  Sorry, buddy. Oh, you might be right.
• 1:46:48
  Once. Once the bet, once the bet goes
• 1:46:51
  in, you know you can't get that ticket back, right?
• 1:46:54
  Should've looked a little bit closer.
• 1:46:56
  It's like being in Vegas, being drunk, making a stupid bet,
• 1:46:58
  right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:47:01
  But my hope is. That it's a.
• 1:47:02
  Low score. I mean we were, we were all two
• 1:47:04
  and five last week. I mean, this is just as much of
• 1:47:06
  A dice rolls. In right, Exactly.
• 1:47:09
  And you know what? Maybe I always Defense shows up
• 1:47:11
  to play, keeps it to an ugly 2115 game.
• 1:47:19
  Who's got this next tally? Tally.
• 1:47:20
  Tally. I got to go with Penn State,
• 1:47:23
  man. Just I just looked at it in
• 1:47:24
  there at home. I got, I got to go Penn State
• 1:47:26
  with the win and Shelton to wrap us up here.
• 1:47:32
  Yes, give me the mini lions. One thing I've learned in in the
• 1:47:37
  betting world is that I don't trust teams that have really bad
• 1:47:39
  offenses against teams is really exposed to playmakers like Penn
• 1:47:42
  State has. Even though I was office is
• 1:47:44
  really good. I just do not trust them going
• 1:47:47
  in there and getting and covering the spread.
• 1:47:50
  So give me a Penn State and their playmakers.
• 1:47:51
  By the way, The Quarterback Hour, he's he's been really,
• 1:47:54
  really good this year. So that even adds to my
• 1:47:56
  confidence. Very nice.
• 1:47:58
  All right, so there are our big screeners and I hokey
• 1:48:00
  predictions for the week. Anything boys wrapped up in an
• 1:48:03
  hour and 50 minutes? I'm sorry, we had to go on a
• 1:48:06
  tangent the first half. Y'all we had, we had a couple
• 1:48:09
  rants, so we had to get off our chests.
• 1:48:10
  Man, you know that sometimes that pumps things up of extra
• 1:48:13
  1520 minutes. Yes, Sir.
• 1:48:15
  All right. Anything changed?
• 1:48:17
  I'm looking at my fantasy score real quick.
• 1:48:19
  Hey, I. Pulled out the victory, man.
• 1:48:21
  Oh, you got another kick? As well I got an 18 point lead
• 1:48:25
  with approximately 6 minutes left.
• 1:48:28
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