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ITV #241 The Millionaire Who Was The Cop, the Lawyer, & the Judge | Inside The Vault · Inside The Vault with Ash Cash

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've had over 1,400 jury trials, and I've done 1,400, 1,400.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am the only lawyer in the history of Georgia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's never been a police officer, a police chief.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a municipal court judge, a state court judge, a superior court judge, and prosecutor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like I'll call your purpose or your passion something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What would you say it in?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's called Flyness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You are him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I left the police department and went to law school, people would say, man, have you lost your mind?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What if you don't make it to law school?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you change this from lawyer to musician?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No other lawyer is keeping people out of jail and actually performing on the weekend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you need a criminal defense attorney, hit him up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You need somebody for your event, for your conference, hit him up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You need a driver to take you somewhere and stop, hit him up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do not put yourself in a box.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking the only people that make real money as lawyers have to work for big corporations,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is one of the best interviews I've ever had.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to six, four, six, six, six, eight, seven, four, one, five, two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is my personal number.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have been an author for over 12 years, I've written 10 books, four of them have been best sellers, and I've sold over 100,000 books.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I've also helped a lot of my clients, take their expertise and put it into a story, then create multiple streams of income from that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I wanna help you do the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So text my book to six, four, six, six, eight, seven, four, one, five, two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, let's go back to the video.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, so welcome to another awesome episode of Inside The Vault with Ash Cash, the greatest money mindset show on the planet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now look, most people think you have to pick a lane, either you enforce the law or you defend it, either you follow the system or you fight against it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what happens when one man
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[SPEAKER_01]: Master's every side of the game today's guests didn't just beat the system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He became the system from U.S. Army power trooper to Atlanta police officer to criminal defense attorney to judge and still found a way to build a brand of business and even a music career on top of it all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not just a story
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[SPEAKER_01]: Positioning and understanding how the game is really play and if you have ever felt like you were on the wrong side of opportunity or didn't know how to turn your past into leverage This episode might completely shift how you see access authority ownership But here is the real question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What does a man learn when he's been the police the lawyer and the judge ladies and gentlemen Please introduce
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fly lawyer in the building.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sir, you are, you are, you are, I, you know, I'm excited about this episode for so many different reasons, but when I first saw your content, it was a frame for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, you know, you know, I'm I'm starting to get a little bit of graze and you know my daughter just turned 18 so I got a adult child So I'm I'm embracing you know my wisdom if you will absolutely and a lot of times, you know, I look at my you I'm I'm in my 40 45.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm I'm race where I am.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've done a lot But to see you I'm like nah like I ain't even start yet, right because I see
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[SPEAKER_01]: how you've been able to reinvent yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that's important because a lot of us, you know, and what I say us, I'm saying, you know, 40s to 60s, if you will, we get stuck in identity, if you will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so like what we've done in the past, but you've been able to like change your identity over and over and over again, in a way that is unique, in a way that is unapologetically you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm gonna dive into all of that stuff,
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[SPEAKER_01]: For those who don't know who is the Flaloid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm that guy that keeps you out of jail during the week and I party with you on the weekend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been a lawyer now for 34 years, proud to be coming to the lawyer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was in Atlanta police officer before that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was in the US Army as a paratrooper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just that guy that wakes up every day to make sure that I have a good day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have bad days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have busy days, but I never have a bad day because you're attitude really does determine you're altitude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I love that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Take us back a little bit, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you see a attorney for 34 years, police officer, judge, paratrooper, what was your upbringing like?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you know you wanted to be in law enforcement or law?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I grew up in a single mother house home, but although my father was always present, my father lived in Philadelphia, but you wouldn't know it because he came down from my middle school graduation, high school graduation, my marriage, Army graduation, just every graduation I've ever had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And rest is so, he was always there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My mom was such a super person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I grew up in Egan Holmes in Southwest Atlanta.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And give me that question again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, what was the mouth question?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, did you always know that you were in the, you always wanted to be a law officer?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, in fact, around the seventh grade, my father always told me son, nothing comes to a sleeper but a dream.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I decided at that moment I was going to go get everything I could possibly get and what made me consider being an attorney was when I was in Atlanta police officer and Michael Bergen was a criminal defense attorney.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I arrested a guy for solicitation for Sodomy because I used to work the undercover details.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and in court Michael Bergen defended him and Michael Bergen made it look like I arrested this individual solely because I wanted to become a police chief or sergeant and the jury found him not guilty and I said that's the kind of lawyer I want to be and so I spent three years as an intern in his office while I was in law school and been a lawyer now for 24 years
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, I know you say you grew up, you grew up in the projects, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You grew up, you know, single parent home, but your dad was in your life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Someone growing up in a project doesn't necessarily want to be a police officer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I know, for me, I grew up in a project's two in New York City.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We hate it cops.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like what what made you want to be a police officer was it's probably because I've never had a bad experience with a police officer okay it's simply growing up in egan homes to we rarely saw police officer because we had a family we played football in the neighborhood and people got into a fight it was kind of a fist fight that was never guns knives or anything like that and then 20 minutes later
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[SPEAKER_00]: your friends all over again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So my experience has always been positive with the police.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And was it something specific that said, was it just like, all right, this is a job that's available, or like was it something specific?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because you have a mission if you will, you know, become in a police officer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ever since about the seventh grade, I always knew what I was going to do in life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew you have to be 20, 20 to be a police officer in Atlanta.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I went in the army from 17 to 20 because I didn't want to waste that time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I knew I didn't want to go to college right away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I joined the army as a pair of troops.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But after I got my three years, I actually joined the Atlanta Police Department while applied for the Atlanta Police Department while I was still in the army.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Once I got accepted, I used my all of my vacation days, got out in the police academy while I was still getting paid from the army.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was getting two pay cheats at that same time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so once I became a police officer, I then started college.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I went to undergrad in grad school at Bernal University in Gainesville, Georgia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Once I got my master's, I then left and went to law school at Texas Southern University in Houston at Thurgood Marshall Law School.
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[SPEAKER_01]: after graduation came back and started my practice within, I think, about three days after passing the bar saying, wow, wow, wow, wow, have you always been like, you know, you know, ambitious, like, you know, anything I put in my mind, so I'm gonna have it, like, where did that come from?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the truth of the last phase that I've always been afraid to fail, being afraid to fail is what always kept me motivated about moving forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For an example when I left the police department and went to law school, people would say man, have you lost your mind?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What if you don't make it through law school?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't go to law school to fail, I didn't go to get our A's, I went to graduate, passed a bar, and then become a lawyer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So my attitude has always been I'm never going to fail because of fear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, you mentioned the transition from police officer to to lawyer before we get there though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What was that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What was how long were you at police off three years?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I'm thinking about the army seven years seven years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What was the
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[SPEAKER_01]: What was that like?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because at least you worked, you know, on the cover of the series.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I had a great time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I worked zone four and zone five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I worked zone five foot bead and I worked zone four evening and morning watch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the most interesting experiences I had as a foot bead officer back in those days we had a criminal about they called him the foot stupper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was his name, the foot stupper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What he would do, he would walk around P Street Street, Mitt Town in that area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and all of a sudden you would just hear a woman scream, he would literally break her foot with a metal boot that he would be wearing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And our supervisors said, whoever catches this guy is going to get three to four days off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So my partner, Anthony Rush, we were just walking up in the National Boulevard one day and we heard a lady scream.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, Rush, that's the foot stumper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So immediately I took off a rush had a pin in his leg so he couldn't replace the problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't know that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he couldn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I took off running, lo and behold, my whole, my weapon fell out of my hostel while I was chasing him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anthony rush picked it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I caught the guy in the Atlanta Public Library in the stairwell, but I always kept for extra on my ankle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was there had to use words that you, you know, you have to use in those situations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we caught the first stop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so, wow, wow, wow, wow, and how did the changes this is like another couple of work?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, at also worked, back in those days, it was ML King and Ashbury Street.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was a lot of homosexual type activities, people approaching cars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was assigned to put on lipstick, all of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would go undercover as if I was waiting to be proposition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And once I got proposition, I would then give the signal, of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then my backup officer will come out and make the arrest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one interesting thing about that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got one proposition and somehow know that I ended up out of sight of the under of my backup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I went behind this building and gave the signal nobody showed up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So all of a sudden the guy clearly kind of felt like I might have been a police officer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So immediately he's, you know, he actually pulled out a knife and that's when I pulled out my weapon of course But we took him into custody, but I got out of sight and I asked I told him if I said, man, where were you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was scratching my head and y'all never showed up right
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then so now, you know, you have this case that you, you know, you, you lose, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or, you know, you know, some of your arrested got, you know, found not guilty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Talk about that transition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you said, look, that's what I want to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to, I want to be on that side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Talk a little bit about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, you know, after Michael Bergen won that case, I talked to him about what it takes to become a lawyer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, well, Jack, once you get your bachelor's degree, then you can apply to law school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what happened was that I told Michael Bergen at that time, if I ever go to law school, I want to come back and intern with you because you're the kind of lawyer I want to duplicate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I went to law school every summer, I came back and worked for attorney Michael Bergen in
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[SPEAKER_00]: He obviously wanted me to continue to work for him, but I still wait a minute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know Mike you've got a law degree and I've got a law degree I'm about to start my own practice and so it immediately though like you Yeah, but then three days of passing the ball absolutely okay and I had a virtual office I think that it was like a hundred and seventy five dollars a month
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[SPEAKER_00]: I ended up getting on the court upon it lists in the city of Atlanta traffic court and it was a hundred dollars per traffic ticket So force if I mean just Lindwood Jackson and his wife Oh, I'm trying to think of what a first her name is Miss Jackson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was the clerk of the court.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, and so I was like a son to her So every day she was send me three to five cases, so I was making you three to five hundred dollars a day When most times it has to rotate to to different attorneys
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so my full time job was waiting or heard a contact me with another case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then once you've finished that case, you get paid within 30 days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would let mine build up to like $2,000.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can get a bigger picture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now you're doing that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, this is like such a, like, you know, great transitions, if you will, because again, after, and it looked like you have a fun throughout this whole time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that always been like a demeanor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Always.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was the band announcer in high school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just one of those guys that if, if it's fun and if it's productive, I want to do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, and so, what has, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: 24 years of the lawyer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 34, 34 years of the lawyer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's been the highlight of your career?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what has kept you doing this so long?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I've had over 1,400 jury trials.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've done 1,400, 1,400.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've had over, I've done over 150 appeals to the appellate courts of our state.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it seemed like each case, it brings a different type of excitement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the thought of hearing a jury say not guilty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That gives me the biggest rush of all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And even when a jury says guilty, I end up doing an appeal, and most of my appeals convictions are reversed on appeal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think somehow now that this practice of law is what I was meant to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As a police officer, I enjoyed that tremendously, but I knew it was a stepping stone to get to this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the 1400 trials that I've had, in fact, let me just be candid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Georgia has been around, I think, for 242 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am the only lawyer in the history of Georgia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that's ever been a police officer, a police chief, a municipal court judge, a state court judge, a superior court judge, and prosecutors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that someone follows me, but I highly doubt it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You are him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You are him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll talk a little, I don't, I want to give it to the music also because I think that's really important, but like when you think about what you've done historically, right, in law enforcement and, you know, you know, as a lawyer, like all of the, all of the different accolades.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What would you say is, if I could bottle it up or if I could name it something or if I could if I could call your purpose or your passion something, what would you say it is called flaness?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just called flaness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wake up every day to be flawed, to be positive, keep people out of jail, and you got to treat people right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Think, you know, everybody's not going to like you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, people say, what do you think about your haters?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I always feel like I don't have them because I don't recognize them and I don't see them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So everybody that approaches me, show me love, and I show them love.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So my days are so fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every morning I wake up, I say, what other joy are you going to bring me today?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you stay in that frequency and that in that vibration?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think I've been doing it so long since middle school to where I don't know any other way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know any other way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how to be sad or how to be depressed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the most, I guess you can say that the most tumultuous or the most deepest problems I've ever had in life is when I had COVID.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that things were so deep and so devastating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know if I was going to survive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I still kept my faith and thank God to my ex-wife who happens to be, you know, my best friend she passed about a month and a half ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if it wasn't for Yasmur, I mean, we've been divorced 25 years and I live with her for six months.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She took care of me for six months.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She passed about on February 22nd.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I wrote a song for her because yet for ever great
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then once she passed, I wrote a second song, and that song is called Yasma My Best For It.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I love that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now let's talk about music.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have you always had of musical ear, like how do you, how do you transition from lawyer to musician?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it goes way back to 1989 when I was in law school, you know, your broke as a law student, of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I heard on the radio, the station was called KWWJ, 1360 AM in Baytown, Texas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm riding around and the DJ says, hey, you know, the 13th caller wins the Orcoupard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I needed that Orcoupard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I called, I was the 13th caller, went down and the general manager
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[SPEAKER_00]: He gave me my coup plan and I said, you know, Mr. Martin, I said, you know, this is a gospel station.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, gospel is my favorite music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, I would love to be one of your gospel DJs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, well, we look for someone with a communications degree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, look, I'm in law school, but if you teach me this equipment, I promise you I'll be the best DJ I did that you've got.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he said, well, I'll keep in touch for about four, about eight weeks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I called him once a week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, Mr. Martin, I said, you're ready for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, well, I'll be in touch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one particular evening, I was out on the date.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I got a call from Mr. Martin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, hey, can you be here at 10 30 p.m.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I told my dad, I said, baby, I hate to do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I got to shut this down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I took a hole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Had it on down to Baytown, got there about 10 45.
19:52
[SPEAKER_00]: He said, look, he's so I'm going to show you this.
19:54
[SPEAKER_00]: He quit me for about an hour.
19:56
[SPEAKER_00]: He showed it to me.
19:57
[SPEAKER_00]: He said, hey, I've got to run an errand.
19:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll be back in about an hour.
20:00
[SPEAKER_00]: He never came back to 7 a.m.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was on my own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: putting on music.
20:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And in those days now, you had a eight track.
20:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you had to actual album.
20:10
[SPEAKER_00]: So you couldn't talk over the music.
20:12
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to know when to stop talking.
20:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And he came back and he said, well, you got the job.
20:16
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was there for two years as a gospel DJ.
20:19
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's where it all started.
20:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
20:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And then once I became a lawyer, and the way I got into the music business as a lawyer, was there's a rapper named Stana Stana.
20:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I could say to him the best song
20:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And, starter, starter brought me his brother.
20:35
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the hey man.
20:36
[SPEAKER_00]: My brother has a lawyer now, but he's facing eight years in prison, and the D.A.
20:40
[SPEAKER_00]: won't go down.
20:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, well, let me, you know, let me talk with him.
20:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So I said, and once I, he hired me, I said, I make, make your deal.
20:46
[SPEAKER_00]: If I keep your brother out of prison.
20:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I want you to write me my very first rap song.
20:52
[SPEAKER_00]: He said, we got a deal.
20:53
[SPEAKER_00]: We went to court in Cobb County.
20:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Not only did I get all of his felonist drop, but I've got him six months misdemeanor in the county jail and with credit for time serve, he only served three months.
21:05
[SPEAKER_00]: About three weeks later, I get a son, Stana Stana, text me a song called Win for you.
21:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And when I heard it, I said, oh, this is me.
21:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And that song, it just, and all of a sudden, the next nine or ten songs may have stoned to collaborate it.
21:21
[SPEAKER_00]: He wrote the songs, we co-wrote him.
21:24
[SPEAKER_00]: He saw him most of them.
21:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I was on some of them, and it just worked.
21:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm on my 18th song.
21:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, absolutely.
21:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, wow, wow, wow.
21:32
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, do you look at this as, you know, something career wise that you just, you know, you just always wanted to do this?
21:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you looking to monetize it?
21:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what's the story there?
21:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Of all the rotors that I've earned, I have never cashed a man because I didn't do this for rotors.
21:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I did this for my law firm marketing because no other lawyer is keeping people out of jail and actually performing on the weekend.
21:58
[SPEAKER_00]: So these songs are solely about the fly lawyer and my marketing.
22:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I make no money.
22:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I get emails from Tuneco all the time to say, when did you plan to cash in your rods?
22:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I just simply delete that email because this is about the fly lawyer and my marketing.
22:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a record label called fly lawyer music.
22:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I am the only artist on that label.
22:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, wow, wow, wow, what was the ultimate vision for the fly lawyer brand in fly lawyer?
22:26
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I things are going so well, if my life stayed just like it is for the next 50 years, I wouldn't, it just wouldn't bother me because I'm at the pinnacle of my life.
22:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And if I stay at this plateau, I'll be blessed.
22:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, wow, wow, they have to be, because it feels natural, right?
22:47
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like you're naturally a happy person.
22:50
[SPEAKER_01]: You're naturally, you know, there's natural gratitude to for life that I believe in turn is why you're at the space, right, there's this level of appreciated contentment.
23:03
[SPEAKER_01]: It's what I'm gonna call it, because a lot of times when somebody says they're content, it sort of means like they gave up, right?
23:10
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think like appreciated contentment is like, I didn't give up.
23:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I just actually have a great life.
23:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually love this life.
23:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm content in a way where I just want to keep living this, you know, this absolute, this life.
23:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, you know.
23:23
[SPEAKER_01]: But there has to be, I mean, maybe not has to be, but what I'm kind of wondering is could we bottle up
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, the flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm, flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm flamm fl
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, I get what you say.
24:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a firm believer that what you think of is what's going to happen.
24:07
[SPEAKER_00]: If you wake up every morning, for an example, instead of saying, man, it's going to be a beautiful day.
24:12
[SPEAKER_00]: If you wake up and say, why these bills really got me down, I really don't want to go to work.
24:17
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the way your day is going to be.
24:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a firm believer that a positive mentality brings about positive action and positive things that come to you.
24:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that if you put out positive energy, it comes back to you.
24:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I think people that are in that space that you're referring to are people that this guy so much on them and don't know how to release it in a positive way.
24:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I tell everyone of those people if you just pray and turn it over to God, it's going to work out, but you gotta start with the inner mindset of being positive because if you're not positive, there's nothing positive that's going to come to you.
24:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not like that because I feel like, you know, people underrate the power of a positive mind.
25:05
[SPEAKER_01]: They feel like it's like this, you're doing it just to feel good.
25:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's this feel good thing, opposed to understanding, like this is what literally helps you become successful.
25:16
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's what literally helps you maintain that success.
25:19
[SPEAKER_01]: It was literally what helps you multiply it even.
25:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And, and, and I think it's unfortunate that people dismiss the mind and the dismiss sort of like the things that, you know, sort of what it would it take, how long did it take you to realize that like it's, you know, I would probably say in the army.
25:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Army was such a great start for me, it made me grow up right away, it gave me responsibility.
25:48
[SPEAKER_00]: The Army somehow now has a way of transforming people from being boys to men.
25:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's where I started for me.
25:56
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I made sergeant in two and a half years in the Army.
26:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was my first sergeant's driver.
26:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I called all the caters.
26:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I somehow know that ended up with all the easy jobs, because everybody enjoyed the positivity.
26:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then how do we bottle this up though, how do we give it away?
26:18
[SPEAKER_01]: How do we make other people, you know, become...
26:21
[SPEAKER_00]: What I do, I try to give it to everybody that I meet individually.
26:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I think my impact is when I meet you and my philosophy is this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, it's not how I feel when I meet you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's about how I want to make you feel after I meet you.
26:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I want to make sure that when you leave me, that you feel so good to where in turn I leave that smile because I have made your day and when I make your day, my day is made.
26:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what is the, what is the craziest, craziest case that you, that you've been on?
26:57
[SPEAKER_00]: It was, wow, it was an ambulance driver that was on his first day on the job.
27:05
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was driving his ambulance and the passenger elderly in the back seat says, she heard him say, damn, I dropped my phone.
27:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And he reached for his phone and all of a sudden the ambulance started going out of control.
27:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And as tragic as it was, not only did he,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cross the center line and hit a lady head on and killed her, but he killed his own pastor, the own coworker that was in the front seat with him and he seriously injured the lady in the back seat who survived.
27:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Very tragic case, but my job as a defense attorney, I have sympathy and I have empathy.
27:45
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you hire me, my job is to win.
27:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It is the state's responsibility to be concerned about the victims.
27:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't get me wrong.
27:54
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a tragic situation.
27:56
[SPEAKER_00]: But when I looked at my client's file, I immediately noticed that the government did not prepare his paperwork properly.
28:03
[SPEAKER_00]: His accusation was defective.
28:06
[SPEAKER_00]: So I knew, I said, were Jackie, do I want to wait till the appropriate time at trial to ask the court to dismiss this?
28:13
[SPEAKER_00]: because if you tell the government in advance that the accusation is defective, they can correct it.
28:18
[SPEAKER_00]: So I kept quiet, of course.
28:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So at this trial in Fulton County, not only, I don't think this has ever happened in the history of George.
28:26
[SPEAKER_00]: And I can really say this.
28:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never heard of a lawyer that never did Vordar, which means asked questions of the jury before the trial.
28:36
[SPEAKER_00]: nor did I do an opening statement, nor did I cross-examine 17 witnesses, including the medical examiner.
28:44
[SPEAKER_00]: When the government finished, I simply got up and said, Judge, it is your obligation to follow the law, and dismiss this vehicular homicide, because the government's paperwork is wholly defective.
28:56
[SPEAKER_00]: The judge gave the government to the next morning to do their research.
29:01
[SPEAKER_00]: The next morning, the government, they start throwing all kind of smoke, but none of it worked.
29:04
[SPEAKER_00]: The judge granted it and my client walked free, never served a single day.
29:11
[SPEAKER_00]: As trapped don't get me wrong, you never, you never take joy in when people lose their lives.
29:16
[SPEAKER_00]: But as a criminal defense attorney, your mission is one mission.
29:21
[SPEAKER_00]: That is to me and that's what I do when you hire me.
29:24
[SPEAKER_00]: why why why that side of the lie why not you know why not be a prosecutor well keep a man I was a prosecutor at some point in my career yeah I was a part-time special prosecutor with Keith Gammish which is the 14-countest solicitor general
29:39
[SPEAKER_00]: He needed someone to train his prosecutors, so he reached out to me.
29:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I still kept my law practice, but I was a part-time special prosecutor to train his prosecutors.
29:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Once I did that for two years, then I came back to my practice four times.
29:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And another reason why I would not do that full-time, you can't live the financial lifestyle that I would like to live.
30:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's certainly financial as well.
30:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I'm gonna talk about that a little bit, right?
30:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I know, I told you I have an 18-year-old daughter, one of the things that, you know, you know, my wife and I didn't push her to, we're pushing, we're pushing our too long.
30:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
30:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but, but in my mind, you know, you know, I'm entrepreneur and my kids have grown up in, in a household of entrepreneurship, um, and so, you know, my goal is to have my kids become entrepreneurs as well.
30:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I said, you know what, become a lawyer, corporate lawyer, right?
30:39
[SPEAKER_01]: So that way,
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, you could, you know, run the businesses, be general counsel, absolutely nature.
30:47
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, financially though, right?
30:49
[SPEAKER_01]: In my mind, I'm thinking the only people that make real money as lawyers have to work for,
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[SPEAKER_01]: big corporations, 4,500 companies or themselves or themselves.
31:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, talk about that for a little bit.
31:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's nothing wrong with public service being a prosecutor, public defender, a judge, that the career is so admirable.
31:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a wonderful career.
31:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just don't, let me, let me be careful at this.
31:21
[SPEAKER_00]: There are several prosecutors just, they have spouses, of course.
31:25
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're living a wonderful life.
31:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of those spouses may be lawyers who's making big money.
31:29
[SPEAKER_00]: But so the public side of practicing law, public sector, is a wonderful career.
31:35
[SPEAKER_00]: But when I became a lawyer, I wanted to live a certain lifestyle.
31:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I knew I wanted to buy cars.
31:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to dress the way I dressed.
31:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't want any financial issues whatsoever.
31:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Not that people in public sector have financial issues.
31:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that.
31:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying I wanted to be able to wake up and say, I want to go to FIPS and buy red bottoms.
31:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to go to, I want to go to Buckhead and get a Rolex.
31:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to go by a chain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to buy a rose rose Maybacks.
32:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So I knew if I was in public sector.
32:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
32:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I could not buy those type of items.
32:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so have you always been fly?
32:12
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I used to be just attorney Jackie Patterson.
32:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me speak on that.
32:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I've always been a well-dressed lawyer, but I evolved into the fly lawyer and let me tell you how that happened.
32:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I used to drive a Bentley convertible and marketing is everything.
32:28
[SPEAKER_00]: You could be the worst lawyer in the state of Georgia, but if you're a good marketer, you're going to get rich.
32:34
[SPEAKER_00]: But you could also be the best lawyer in Georgia.
32:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you don't have the right marketing, you're not going to get any clients.
32:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So I've always realized that marketing has to be an endpoint.
32:47
[SPEAKER_00]: So when I bought a Bentley, I see, you know, what can I do to elevate this?
32:51
[SPEAKER_00]: So I said, well, let me now brand myself to Bentley, lawyer.
32:54
[SPEAKER_00]: So I had billboards with the actual Bentley.
32:58
[SPEAKER_00]: on the billboard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody knew me for two and a half years as the Bentley Lord.
33:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Now keep in mind that was not my legal name.
33:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I just started using it because I thought it was catchy, you know, to use that Bentley.
33:09
[SPEAKER_00]: One morning I got about five a.m.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I get an email.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, big words say, see, said this is.
33:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, what the hell?
33:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, what is this about?
33:17
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so I clicked on the email and it was the corporate attorney from Bentley somewhere in Omaha, I believe it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that email set, you are in violation of our trademark.
33:28
[SPEAKER_00]: You are using the Bentley Lawyer illegally.
33:31
[SPEAKER_00]: You have billboards with our car on it.
33:33
[SPEAKER_00]: It immediately, I was like, this guy got to be kidding me, right?
33:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
33:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And the most of you, and the email set, you are to immediately take all this that had business cars that sent the Bentley Lawyer.
33:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I was so mad, but I knew I had to do it.
33:48
[SPEAKER_00]: So within three weeks, all the Bentley stuff was gone.
33:52
[SPEAKER_00]: The billboards, all of that.
33:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I said to myself, what can I do to make sure the next time around that no one can ever take my name from me?
34:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So I said, well, what name can I come up with?
34:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, well, Jackie, you know, you've got the red bottoms, you've got the Rolex, you've got the cars,
34:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, you fly, so the next day I went to court and applied to change my name to the fly lawyer.
34:15
[SPEAKER_00]: 30 days later, my legal name was Jackie the Fly Lawyer Patterson.
34:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Legally, legally my name is Jackie, but that's why when I go to court, I'll tell the jurors, ladies and gentlemen, my name is the Fly Lawyer.
34:27
[SPEAKER_00]: and the judge can't stop me from doing that.
34:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the jury looked at me like, yeah, he's fine.
34:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when they see the Maybach glasses, they've never seen a lawyer this time.
34:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it gives me an upper leg on that jury, because they're focusing on the facts of the case, but they're not overlooked in the fact that this is the fly law.
34:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
34:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you a were you ever afraid though that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: people would look at this as gimmicky or not want to hire you because you're the fly lawyer who actually also does music.
35:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me tell you, that has never happened to me because before they ever come to me, they've heard of me and they know that I win.
35:08
[SPEAKER_00]: So they get two good things they get a winner, but they get the best rest lawyer in the courthouse.
35:13
[SPEAKER_00]: So they can't complain about that because and then they start following me on Instagram and then when I win their case, they put positive reviews for me.
35:21
[SPEAKER_00]: So they really feel happy knowing when they come to me, they're going to get the best lawyer they could ever get to keep them out of prison.
35:28
[SPEAKER_00]: But they know they're going to get the flies lawyer on the planet.
35:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what's your thoughts on, I guess, the justice system in general, do you think that the criminal justice system is fair?
35:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that, you know, is it is it is a just.
35:46
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm very candid, if you ask me a question, I'm going to always be honest, there's nothing fair about the criminal justice system when it comes to African Americans.
35:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me just be very candid on that.
35:59
[SPEAKER_00]: My experience in 34 years is that I see African Americans getting, for example, you may have a Caucasian defendant,
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[SPEAKER_00]: charged with the same crime, his first defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He may get five years probation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That African-American defendant may get two years, two to five years in prison.
36:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
36:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's historical.
36:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
36:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I tell my brothers and sisters all the time, the best way to stay out of prison is to stay out of this system.
36:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
36:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they're waiting, they're absolutely waiting to send you to prison.
36:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just being candid about that.
36:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Because keep in mind, and I'm going to be very candid as well.
36:37
[SPEAKER_00]: remember judges or elected and they get voted on by the people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is honest, my belief is that even if a judge gives some of these judges give African-Americans probation, they won't give them first offenders because if you don't get first-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off-off
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that leaves that African-American, not being able to vote.
37:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Therefore, the white American can vote.
37:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
37:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how I hate to say it, but it's in my opinion, that's true.
37:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, wow, wow.
37:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And does that add it away to the purpose of why you did work?
37:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and that's why I think the best, the best governor we've ever had for what I call restorative justice was Nathan deal and let me tell you why Nathan deal was so important.
37:34
[SPEAKER_00]: He created what's called retroactive first defender treatment.
37:38
[SPEAKER_00]: If you got convicted of a felony 45 to 60 years ago, if it is your first felony and if it's not one of the seven debtless sins, I can go back to court and clear your felony.
37:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Nathan Deal made that happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 30% of my practice is expunging, or we now call it ceiling, felony convictions, so people can get jobs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get housing, because remember, if you've got a felony, you can't get an apartment in most cases.
38:05
[SPEAKER_00]: So Nathan Deal made it better for every citizen in the state of Georgia.
38:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I love that you said that, though, too, because I think a lot of times when I think about the criminal justice system, that's what I see.
38:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I see economics.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I see that it is, you know, those who have don't go through the system, those who don't have on the one that's funded system, they're the one who are being mistreated by the system, but they're the ones funding it if you will, you know, because, because I mean, you know, I have, you know, my brother Jay White and I have a show, another show called Crime Pays, and a lot of times people think that we're saying,
38:46
[SPEAKER_01]: crime pays, but crime doesn't pay the person doing a crime.
38:51
[SPEAKER_01]: It pays the system, right?
38:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there a truth to the, you know, to the person, you know, the school, the person pipeline?
39:02
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, yes it is, but I always tell my brother and sisters, you can't get to the pipeline if you don't get in the system.
39:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Because nobody can make you commit an arm robbery.
39:13
[SPEAKER_00]: No one can make you shot lift.
39:15
[SPEAKER_00]: No one can make you do anything.
39:17
[SPEAKER_00]: It's to peer pressure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what about the circumstances, what about people, you know, people may argue that, you know, when you grow up in a certain environment, you know, your back is against the wall, you know, you know, you know, it's called survival, yeah, I can agree with you 100% on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is a part of it cannot deny that because if you feel like there's no way out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to take some drastic actions in some cases, but the majority of the people commit crimes because they simply decide of peer pressure or they decide to do it on their own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm just a firm believer that keep in mind, 75 to 80% of all judges in the state of Georgia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: are not African-American, they're Caucasian.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why we, I'm not saying every Caucasian judge is racist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just telling you that's how the system is disparate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how we end up in prison a lot more than Caucasians.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just a true fact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because there's no way you can tell me that a Caucasian judge can relate to what an African-American, how they grew up and what they go through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, but I've even seen, and I would love to get your thoughts on this, but I've even seen economically, you know, where judges are incentivized to send, you know, you know, kids to prison, you have the private prison systems, we're, you know, a lot of them are golf buddies and so they're looking out for there for there for their, you know, folks or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's your thoughts about that, about, you know, public prison versus private prison versus the ability to monetize off of, you know, you know, I mean, it's a promise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've already said that any day, but you know, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, unfortunately, whether your prison is public or private,
41:04
[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't commit the crime, you will never be a part of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the fact that somebody may be, say, some politician may be benefiting financially because they created a law that dealt with private prisons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a financial situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't get involved in that.
41:21
[SPEAKER_00]: My goal is to make sure we keep our brothers and sisters out of prison.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's my number one goal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, once you're able to get someone free, right, not guilty, you know, they beat their case, is there, do you give them advice?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you keep them out of the system?
41:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, most of my clients never get back in the system because they learned a very valuable lesson.
41:48
[SPEAKER_00]: But unfortunately, I do have repeat clients as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Within six months of being found not guilty, they come right back to me within aggravated assault, drug charge, whatever it may be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But remember, my job is not to judge my client.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My job is to defend my client.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Although I just got them off a one-case, you cannot control another person's actions, but I'm there when they need me.
42:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, 34 years and you know, as a lawyer, you know, I know that you've learned a lot from running your own practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody watching now, it wants to start their own practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are the first few steps they take and what advice do you have for them?
42:28
[SPEAKER_00]: it's much easier today than it was when I started 34 remember we didn't have social media 34 years ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now people can work, lawyers can work out of their home and make money by advertising on Instagram, Facebook, get a virtual office.
42:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just so much easier now.
42:47
[SPEAKER_00]: The cost of living is higher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you get an office it's going to cost you a lot more if you have a brick and mortar office.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But
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[SPEAKER_00]: I tell lawyers new lawyers today that's nothing wrong with the running space from a lawyer that will cut your overhead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I would recommend to any lawyer that's starting to know in practice.
43:05
[SPEAKER_00]: You can work from your home, but find a lawyer that has an extra space that you can pay a very small fee in return for having a law practice and latching on to do work for that lawyer on a contract basis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That way you make money and learning at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
43:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, do you believe that most people lose cases because they're guilty or because they don't understand the system?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You mean from a attorney or a defender stamp?
43:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, a little bit of both, so from a from a training standpoint, but also, you know, because I've heard situations and you could kind of help help me out with this.
43:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard situations in which this somebody who
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[SPEAKER_01]: didn't do the crime.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
43:47
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was it was in their best interest to please take a plea deal or to cop out to something that they didn't do because it would have been worse how they
43:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I get, I get your payment.
44:00
[SPEAKER_00]: They're lawyers that will tell their client, look, you're facing life in prison if you get convicted.
44:06
[SPEAKER_00]: If you take this plea deal, you're gonna serve 10 years.
44:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Lawyers have to analyze what's in their clients' best interest or they can't, they can't look at their interest.
44:15
[SPEAKER_00]: They have to look at the clients' best interest.
44:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I've had clients to say, hey, you know, Attorney Patterson, I did not commit this arm robbery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if they tell me they did not do it, now I tell my client, if you get convicted, you're facing life because you can get life on an arm robbery.
44:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, but if you tell me you didn't do it and you decide you want to trial, I'm ready to fight for you.
44:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to advise you that the government is offering you 10 years.
44:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Tell me what you like to do because the worst thing that a lawyer can do is put fear in a client to make
44:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Because there's not our job to determine whether they should get a trial or not, that's the client's job to make that determination.
44:55
[SPEAKER_00]: So if my clients are Mr. Patterson, I didn't do this, but I'm too afraid to go to trial.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I am going to take this 10-year plea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to give him that 10-year plea because I didn't force him to take it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, I just don't want to take that risk.
45:09
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's always a problem when you have a lawyer that says,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, I just think you should take the deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you're innocent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just take the deal because it just cuts your losses.
45:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a problem with those.
45:20
[SPEAKER_00]: The decline it should always make the final decision, not the lawyer.
45:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
45:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is just the information I want to know, right?
45:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause like I've,
45:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, right, like, 14th Amendment, slave and reason, you know, abolish, except for if you're like a president, I feel like the system in my, you know, I grew up in the 90s.
45:48
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm part of, or I sort of wave of mass incarceration, how that kind of jump.
46:04
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not a person that trusts in the, you know, judicious system, I truly believe that, you know, it's less than even like collateral consequences, right?
46:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Where they're like, I think 40,000 restrictions that someone who comes home, like that they can't do this so it's hard for them to get back into this.
46:27
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Society, what do you, you know, what do you say to people
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[SPEAKER_01]: don't believe in the system that the system is built to break us down and to keep us in slavery, if you will.
46:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there a way to change it or is it just what it is?
46:54
[SPEAKER_00]: to be honest with you, it is what it is.
46:56
[SPEAKER_00]: The criminal justice system has been this wave since the beginning of time.
47:00
[SPEAKER_00]: It's always been unfair to African America.
47:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And remember now, police officers started way back in the day to chase African America slavery.
47:11
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how it all started.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So today, unfortunately, that's still some of that mentality because you have racist officers.
47:18
[SPEAKER_00]: You have white officers that are fair.
47:23
[SPEAKER_00]: So keep in mind, sometime we treat each other.
47:26
[SPEAKER_00]: The worst.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've had situations where a black defendant, black client, black officer made the arrest, and it was the worst experience my clients have ever had.
47:35
[SPEAKER_00]: So race has played some role, but there are times that we treat each other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: more harsh than you could ever imagine.
47:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
47:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What could, you know, because like, you know, just kind of going back to the Bentley lawyer, right?
47:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And he made a biobitly and, you know, roles voices, red bottoms, Rolexes, those type of things, give me a range like like, you know, can a lawyer become a million there by being a lawyer?
48:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, absolutely.
48:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I had, gosh, I had been practicing probably about, I would say five years before I made my first meal with you.
48:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Because in criminal law, in terms of making money, it's volume.
48:19
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're doing personal injuries such as car accidents, one case can make you a millionaire within, with that one case.
48:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Because most commercial vehicles have a million dollar policy.
48:29
[SPEAKER_00]: But as a criminal law lawyer, it took me about five years to make my first million.
48:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And then as your reputation, girl, every year it just increases because your reputation basically determines how much money you make.
48:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
48:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you get to the levels like Bruce Harvey, Dwight Thomas, myself of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you're income really, really gross.
48:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
48:54
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do we get more, or is that something that's needed?
49:00
[SPEAKER_01]: How do we get more African Americans to become lawyers, to be like, I mean, if I know I could be a millionaire as a lawyer, especially a criminal defense lawyer, well, that may be something that I want to do, right?
49:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Like me or other people who are from the hood, like how do we get, how do we change that narrative?
49:23
[SPEAKER_00]: You will be surprised how many actual African Americans are in law school.
49:29
[SPEAKER_00]: John Marshall, Georgia State, UGA, I'm so pleased to see, from my personal knowledge, it appears that the growth of African Americans are applying to law school.
49:43
[SPEAKER_00]: It has tripled from the time that I apply.
49:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm so pleased to see, in fact, I run into maybe 10 to 15 law students a month that are in law school.
49:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I speak at your Marshall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When they have career days and things like that, but the numbers are growing rapidly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm extremely pleased.
50:05
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's more African Americans going to law school than what you actually could imagine.
50:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I love that, I love that that's currently happening, and then with that, with that happening, what do you see the future of, you know, like lawyers, like what do you see the future I think you're saying more African American judges.
50:33
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the joy of this process, because the more African-American judges you have, the more compassion that they're going to have on African-American because we've been there and done that.
50:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I am so pleased, the Fulton County has a tremendous amount of African-American judges.
50:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And that, but when you get down to counties like Kawita County, Troop County, pay a
51:01
[SPEAKER_00]: So, that's why it's so important that when these African-American lawyers graduate, they need to go to some of these smaller towns in practice and live, so that, because you have to live in the county where you become a judge at.
51:14
[SPEAKER_00]: So, it's important that they reach out to some of these smaller counties.
51:17
[SPEAKER_00]: For example, my first 10 years as a lawyer, my office was in the Greens' Georgia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My wife was the only African-American lawyers in the whole county.
51:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, for 10 years.
51:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
51:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about AI for a second.
51:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I talked to chat, like me a chat have a relationship.
51:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I talked to chat every day.
51:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Anything like, I used to call humans for I ask.
51:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I even do it for legal matters.
51:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that there's like millions of people that I do that, like millions of people who are asking like legal advice, what are your thoughts on artificial intelligence, will it disrupt the legal field?
52:03
[SPEAKER_00]: It's already disrupting the legal field.
52:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And let me explain how, there's, I've known at least three lawyers that have been sanctioned by judges by using AI exciting cases that don't exist.
52:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Siting citations, but it looks so good and the lawyer knew it was AI, but didn't think the judge would catch it.
52:24
[SPEAKER_00]: There's been lawyers in federal court, there's been lawyers in superior court.
52:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And once you get caught,
52:30
[SPEAKER_00]: That reputation is done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, one lawyer in federal court, the judge ordered her for 10 years to everything that she filed in court, she must say that I am not using AI.
52:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
52:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
52:44
[SPEAKER_00]: AI is a wonderful tool.
52:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
52:45
[SPEAKER_00]: But in the legal profession, I only use what's called West law.
52:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm.
52:49
[SPEAKER_00]: West law is the official lawyer's database for research.
52:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you have Lexus Nexus, but I'm just more comfortable with West law.
52:57
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't ever use AI when I'm going to court.
53:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I use AI when I'm looking for a restaurant.
53:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I use AI for the weather.
53:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I use AI when I'm looking for the right perfume for a date.
53:10
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but you don't use it when your client's life.
53:13
[SPEAKER_00]: is on the line.
53:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Lawyers, I'm telling you, don't do it because you had to catch up with eventually.
53:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
53:20
[SPEAKER_01]: But even also from the other side of like, I mean, I don't know if it'd be wise for someone to defend themselves or whatever the case may be, but even from a perspective of like,
53:31
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, people, you know, having cases or whatever the case may be and then saying, you know what, let me act chat.
53:40
[SPEAKER_01]: What should I do in this case?
53:42
[SPEAKER_01]: And then just kind of using that, you know, using that opportunity to, again, defend themselves.
53:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's natural.
53:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Aia is probably,
53:52
[SPEAKER_00]: probably about 50% accurate, your problem is going to be when you quote that when that person who's represented himself, quote a case in court that don't exist, that's when the problem comes in.
54:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
54:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And so as so, in your mind, there isn't a future where artificial intelligence is replacing.
54:14
[SPEAKER_00]: It never will.
54:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
54:15
[SPEAKER_00]: That will not happen.
54:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
54:17
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's called
54:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure, for sure, so let's talk about, again, this is a music career, right?
54:29
[SPEAKER_01]: So like you've put out, you said 18 songs, are you, you know, it's your goal to put out albums, are you, you know,
54:40
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, right now I've got about 18 songs.
54:42
[SPEAKER_00]: My goal is to continue to put out singles because each single, you can always go to the platform and put eight songs on an album.
54:50
[SPEAKER_00]: But I want people to get each and every one of my singles because when you put the fly away in a music platform, you get every one of them.
54:56
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm going to continue to make singles, for an example about every three to six months, I come up with a new single.
55:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I get in the studio either with Starnistana.
55:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I have now learned how to write songs myself as well.
55:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And then some of my songs I have was called Go Singers.
55:12
[SPEAKER_00]: But yet I'm able to perform that song and make my voice sounds just like it.
55:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
55:16
[SPEAKER_00]: So when I'm performing in public, you know, it sounds real.
55:20
[SPEAKER_01]: But you perform in public, like you, like you.
55:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do all of my songs in public.
55:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you would think it's me because because I'm so good at mimicking the voice.
55:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
55:29
[SPEAKER_00]: of the ghost singer or stunner stunner who wrote most of my song.
55:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's so, and so are you like, are you have a like, the real concert or is it?
55:37
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I do pop up, for an example, I do weddings.
55:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I do birthday parties, I do nightclubs, I do baby showers.
55:45
[SPEAKER_00]: If you need somebody to just come and turn up your event, then they call the flower.
55:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and they pay you, they pay you.
55:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
55:52
[SPEAKER_01]: You're booked to do that.
55:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
55:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm actually booking out my car, leasing my cars.
55:58
[SPEAKER_00]: For an example, if you have a wedding prom, you just hit me up.
56:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I rent out the Maybach and I rent out the Rose Royce.
56:05
[SPEAKER_00]: And the good part about it, you get the fly lawyer as your driver.
56:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
56:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, is that the secret to staying young?
56:43
[SPEAKER_00]: It is, it is.
56:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I must admit, although I'm 66, my mind said it's about 35.
56:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes.
56:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm glad, I guess that's a, that's a...
56:54
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I love the Divine Alignment, you know, because I think, I mean, and after this, I'll just stop beating myself up, like it's a blessing to get all this blessing, you know, and I know it is, but I, you know, I recently had the opportunity, you know, you know, Dr. George Frazier, you know, one of one of my mentors, you know, less brows, you know, one of my mentors, I'm helping them publish a book, and when I look at these young men, 81 years young, both of them are 81, yes.
57:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And when I look at them and how vibrant they are, how articulate they are, I'll be honest with you.
57:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a distorted look at what getting old looks like because again, being from the hood, I wasn't used to people getting that old.
57:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
57:42
[SPEAKER_01]: And then even the ones that got up there, they're the nursing home may sick, they're in the wheelchair, but to see like,
57:49
[SPEAKER_01]: up in a live, thriving, you know, that was kind of a rarity for me.
57:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And so even when I talked them on the phone and their mind is like so sharp.
57:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think you've helped dispel that for me as well, right?
58:01
[SPEAKER_01]: At 66 years young, you're just like moving and shaking still.
58:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, right?
58:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Because again, and talk about that a little bit like, like, again, I thought success was a destination.
58:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought I thought that all right, because I grew up this way, I'm gonna work hard, I'm gonna get to this space so that I can relax.
58:25
[SPEAKER_01]: but like at 66, it feel like you just get started to do.
58:30
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I must admit, Monday through Friday from 8 to 5 30, I'm hustling in court.
58:36
[SPEAKER_00]: But after five during the week and on the weekends, I'm part of you.
58:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you gotta have a balance.
58:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
58:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's what keeps me going because I know that I'm in trial all day.
58:46
[SPEAKER_00]: But I know after five and on the weekends, I'm going to be somewhere performing, having a great time, booking out the cars, because if you don't have a balance, that's how I think you begin to get old, look old and feel old.
58:59
[SPEAKER_00]: You gotta have some fun.
59:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
59:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, if it's God's will, you know, 20 years from now, what is the flat lawyer doing?
59:09
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think 20 years from now, my goal is to have about four yachts and a plane.
59:17
[SPEAKER_00]: So I can just hang out on the water and travel the world.
59:21
[SPEAKER_00]: The only thing I'm missing is yachts and a plane.
59:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
59:24
[SPEAKER_01]: If I were to take, if I were to take, you know, young Jackie.
59:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Back to 18 years old right 18 years old Jackie looking at the fly lawyer right now 66 what would 66 year old Jackie tell 18 year old Jackie
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say, I would have to tell that person, don't ever lose faith in your ability to be successful.
59:52
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I would tell them.
59:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't ever lose faith in your ability to be successful and let no one tell you that you're not worthy because you must always know your worth no matter where you are in life.
1:00:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I love that.
1:00:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I enjoy learning about you.
1:00:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I enjoy this, is there anything that in this interview that I didn't ask?
1:00:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you're like, you know what?
1:00:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Ask, I would have loved to talk about this.
1:00:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you covered from A to Z. I think this is one of the best interviews I've ever had.
1:00:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate that.
1:00:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate that.
1:00:30
[SPEAKER_01]: If someone wanted to, you know, connect with you if they wanted to hire you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So look, that's the thing, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Think and look, look, look, if you need a crit, if you need a criminal defense attorney, hit him up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You need somebody for your, for your conference, for your hit him up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: on Instagram, the fly lawyer, Facebook, the fly lawyer, and worldwide, the fly lawyer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fly lawyer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, trademarked officially the name, the fly lawyer in the building.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are closing out the vault.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Another awesome episode of Inside the Vault with Ashcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The greatest money mindset show on the planet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you have not learned, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like this was a great conversation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but my goal, my goal for this conversation, was to teach you about transformation, number one, but number two, no matter what your age, if you're a young person watching this, or if you're someone who has a little more wisdom watching this, understand that you can be doing had anything that you desire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is unconventional, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I love this, and I know we're closing out, but I love this, I'm gonna tell you why I love this also.
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[SPEAKER_01]: is because I'm a hip hop guy and I actually write a lot of books.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I call myself the hip hop financial advisor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember I swear, and I wish I did not listen when I first came out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I first came out, I wanted to be the hip hop financial advisor and somebody told me don't, they were like, yo, you can't do it, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And somebody I've respected too, which is why I even asked them and they were like, no don't do it because no one's going to take you serious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is why I wanted those questions to ask you, like, did you
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was ever a time that you felt like people wouldn't take you serious like like a lawyer who rap so saves Like like you know saying like that that gets fly like you know why would I you know But but for me, I'm like I love hip-hop
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know finance absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am hip-hop absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so what like why do I need to separate the two?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so and so like I love the fact that you were authentically you and so that's what I'm hoping and thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That people get out of this is that, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: do not put yourself in a box.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, like get the box, kick the box, kick it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't even, don't even stand next to the box.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, y'all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're closing off this ball.
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