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The Mammals Do Not Want Your Old Farm Equipment, ep. 339 · Basic Folk

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello and welcome to Basic Folk where we have on as conversations with folk musicians on the Bluegrass situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's me, Cindy House.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Today we have the mammals on the show before we get to that a couple of things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just came back from a role-fing session.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Have I talked about, I feel like I've maybe talked about this on the podcast before, so if so, I apologize.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But my goodness, it is like the most intense, deep massage ever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, in the session, I'm like, this is actually like almost pretty relaxing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then in like the last
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[SPEAKER_00]: 10 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She found this like tightness in my neck and my cranium.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently your cranium can be tight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, do you feel this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she did a couple things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She had this like vibrator, massager thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She put on my head and then she has this little kind of like whole punch thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not an actual whole punch, but it reminds me of one and it kind of gives you the feeling like you're getting stapled.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She kind of was doing that on the really tight parts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, that's where I'm at right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel the thing about it is that you feel terrible, and it's And tense for an hour.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I at one point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was doing something on my IT band, which is so awful, and I just like made this huge fist, and then She's like, okay, I'll go lighter, and then she opened up my fist, which was I thought
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of sweet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I can recommend role thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do it every other month.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get to the show today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mike and Ruth Miranda have been making music together as the mammals since 2001 with a little break in 2008 to play as Mike and Reefy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been back as the mammal since 2017 with a couple of great albums, most recently they released Touch Grass Volume 1 and Volume 2.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mike, who was born and raised in New Hampshire, picked up the banjo actually when he met Fiddler, Ruth Unger.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ruth is the daughter of Jay Unger, a much-loved folk musician who is best known for his composition, a shoken farewell, used as the theme to the Ken Burns 1990 documentary The Civil War.
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[SPEAKER_00]: where it all began.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Essentially Ruth grew up surrounded by folk music, which she talked about on her last appearance on a bass folk, which was during the pandemic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This time around, we dig into a few of the songs on their double album, Touch Grass, and there are a lot to choose from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 17 tracks in all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a four year project recorded at their humble abode studio in the cat skills.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The songs offer a mix of socially conscious daytime folk rock and introspective nighttime Americana.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's my new radio show in the evening with the Lila.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We get into the gospel influence on the song, O the cruelty, the bare bones or arrangements of old friend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and keeping the sadness in check with their amazing song, Doldrums.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They also talk a bit about their home venue, the Ashokon Center, where their music festival, the Hoot takes place, let it be known that the center has a ton of old farm equipment and know they do not want anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So don't ask them to take it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to Mike and Ruthie for coming on the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll hear clips from the mammals throughout the episode today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope you enjoy it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The mammals, on basic folk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The mammals are on the podcast today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What an exciting day for us, Mike and Ruthie with a why.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On your homework.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well she told me herself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So last time Ruth and I spoke was in 2020 and we did an interview for basic folk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I wrapped up the interview saying,
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[SPEAKER_00]: that I didn't get to ask 60% of my questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is the one question I wanted to bring over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I see that you guys have a copy of the net behind you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's still this album is still in play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can still ask questions about songs on this record.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All day long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So please, so the song that I wanted to, well, the song that inspired this question was east side west side where you reference patriotic songs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my country is of the being one of them, or you say my country is of the sweet land of liberty, so close, close-minded, bigotry, open hostility, so standard, take a knee, just join your hands with me and let freedom ring come on everybody saying, sorry, that was a terrible addition of the lyrics, but I loved it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I found this quote where you said Ruth, I remember being a little older and being turned
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[SPEAKER_00]: In my 30s, Peggy Seagr told me that she had stopped singing it, a pair of indigenous musicians stayed silently seated when the song was performed at a festival finale and then she began hearing it very different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was grateful to get that message from her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'd love it if you could expand on that story and how you relate to those old patriotic songs now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well my country tis of the makes me think of being a really little kid in school and learning all these songs like she's a grand old flag and just like it's brainless You're just like I finger painted a turkey because it's Thanksgiving and like yay Pilgrims and I don't know it's like you don't Really think too much about all those songs that they're in there and they're kind of folk songs
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[SPEAKER_03]: and this land is your land is obviously folksong and it used to make a lot of grown-ups cry when I was a kid they'd be singing this land is your land and they'd start crying like there's some sort of nostalgia of it and it meant something to them and I think it still means a lot to a lot of people that's song and there is beauty in it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The idea that Woody is sharing is that
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[SPEAKER_03]: We are humanity and this is our place and we belong here and I think that's awesome and I bet Peggy Seeger felt that to some extent and I also understood you know where she was coming from when she told me that story of like kind of you know again not wanting to hurt someone else and cause them harm and pain and
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I don't think there's an easy answer to what to do with a song, but if it's making you uncomfortable, it would say, and if you noticed that you read the room, you know, I think that when I quoted those songs in East Side West Side, and I've started quoting the anthem at the end now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like we riff on it, we jam out for a while, and I've started singing the From Every Mountain
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[SPEAKER_03]: over and over.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let freedom ring at the end.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just because it feels like, you know, everybody started that melody and just like pulling it into sort of a bluesy, folky song and just re-contextualizing some of those lines from these songs that we've heard a hundred times.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of fun and I want, it's almost like reclaiming it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There was a time when,
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[SPEAKER_03]: The people I hung out with, even though we are American and don't consider ourselves anything else, didn't really resonate with the flag, that's not ours.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's for flag waving type Americans.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're just more low-key Americans or something.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I want to reclaim it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's maybe there's some horrible history to the flag and some beautiful history to the flag.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And maybe it's about,
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[SPEAKER_03]: deciding what it could mean today, if it could mean something positive, maybe it should, you know, so that's songy side west side, which is the idea that more big country, or full of opinions, or full of different people, small towns, big cities,
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[SPEAKER_03]: beaches, you know, amber waves of green.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What are all this?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe maybe they're strength in that mix and maybe we could envision that in our minds and therefore create more of that strength.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's really, I was trying to pull, pull from what we know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, be the, be the thing you don't see.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If everybody says, oh, we're all in bubbles and over all divided.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we're all polarized.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Then I don't want to use any of that imagery in my song.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Tell me what you found week by the week and rest so With the details, but we're standing and I'm coming back
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to cherry-pick my favorite tracks if that's cool and we both have like very specific questions about very specific songs which we loved.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Starting with dull drums.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Too bad there weren't too many to choose from.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How much time you got?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What have the slow depressing periods of life taught you and do you use strategies to get out of a rut or do you think it's more important to just be in it and ride it out?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think I've been taught by the low times and the isolating times to appreciate every awesome time when it's happening as much as possible by just breathing and being in the moment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, um,
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[SPEAKER_03]: And to be aware that whatever time you're in, it is a moment and it's not going to last.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's helpful when it's a rough one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, maybe that's a pretty short answer, but that's it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'll be here now, be here now and and to, you know, how if you're ever in a guided meditation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They will say, you know, picture yourself into a happy place or picture yourself in a beach or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For me, if I think of that song and other songs I've written that really harkin' back to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: losing a good time or the good time that I'm picturing is is a huge audience, a big festival.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're on the stage.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The song is working.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The sound is perfect.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're laughing at the funny stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're crying at the sad stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: your voice isn't scratchy, your monitor sounds amazing, like those moments that I've happened.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then like, you know, the pause at the end and every time I hear it, because when we were in lockdown and we didn't hear that sound.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I don't want to sound like a diva or something, but it was weird.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like the next time we heard applause, I just like almost cried.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I didn't realize how much I met.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I missed it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know I know I cried.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My first show after lockdown was opening for Brian Dunn at Rockwood Music Hall, and I sobbed and accidentally came out to my mom because of the overwhelming emotions of that day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You feel so overwhelming to be back among people after you've been like stuck in the house.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A live stream simply is not the same.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh, yeah, no, totally.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And those moments, they really are transformative, and you can keep them, you know, just like you talk them away, because our brain chemistry helps us remember the really bad embarrassing moments of life, like, you don't have to work hard to keep those.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you have to make a little effort to keep the nice ones.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why do the good times go so fast?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why do the don't lose when good less?
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[SPEAKER_04]: You say hold on, but I just can't do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to talk about the gospel tradition that is found in the song Oh The Cruelty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you tell us about your relationship to the gospel tradition and why is it important to use the language of gospel to address the injustices we're experiencing today?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I really did think about the...
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not really trained at all in Christianity, except for what you absorb passively in this course.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I probably understand them equally.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I would say that...
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[SPEAKER_03]: the refrain part that changes each time or the second of the song changes time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, any greed, aid in envy, ain't it all of this and more, ain't it lies, ain't it treason, ain't it all of this and more, ain't it sinful to believe?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, I guess I was trying to write a song that felt like an old Mahalea Jackson song or, you know, something of that era, but that was very clearly, if you listen to it from today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that called out the hypocrisy of anyone.
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[SPEAKER_03]: calling themselves Christian and being sinful in the most obvious ways.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just wanted to real black and white song that was just real clear, you know, that we're supposed to be good to each other and there's really no cheating on that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just seem to be a good concept, and it wrote itself because what's cool about, I mean I think it was even an Arlo used to say that what he used to say, it's helpful if your audience already knows the tune of your song and even good if they know a few of the words too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know that I still an exact melody, but...
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't feel like a very familiar song when you hear it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a song we've all heard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It says old as time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then when it came time, it's like, okay, and then it'll have a bridge.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it will go like this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and I'll say something that no one can disagree with.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we'll move on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of my format.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's the most, while I am not, you know,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Whatever, I'm not like, by any type of schooling or training or ethnicity at all anyone who could claim the blues or gospel or Christianity, that song is very me still.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you come from like the School of Roots Music and that's where you were raised.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's your life blood in a sense Yeah, it's just all it's it's just a part of your yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess I just be like the song writing way like the how directed is it's not like super poetic
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I guess I'm saying it's like some people were raised in the church or they're raised in Judaism.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You were raised in folk music.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And my dad is funny.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My dad was saying that song, like people should be covering that song.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, my dad, you know, he thinks highly of me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But he was like, that song could be, you know, so many people could do that song.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that'd be cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd love it if somebody who really was in that style actually like this song enough to do it even better.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've never been wanting to pitch songs So just I just let it if it happens it happens so yeah, oh the cruelty of this world has got me down And I didn't make it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and I know age because I made it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's just an oh because that was more from my Shakespeare Jannings.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh The cruelty Oh
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's got me down Yeah, the cruelty of this world has got me down Ain't it great?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Ain't it envy?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Ain't it all?
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[SPEAKER_04]: We know there's enough to go around as still keeps going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would like to hear you guys break down the arrangement of old friend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you describe what instruments are on this song?
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[SPEAKER_02]: How you arranged the vocal harmonies and if you have best practices for getting those great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: plucked string sounds in a studio setting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're talking about, there's so many songs about friends on this album.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's one good friend, there's families.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to make sure you're talking about, you're talking about the right song.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Old friend is the suit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Super minimalist, super sparse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you had it right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: With the plucky thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's my guitar that we never usually use or take onto it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a little Gibson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're lucky to have our own recording studio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're sitting in it right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had two recording sessions this week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's all been fired up, but I've been feeling great about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: our bass player and good friend Brandon Morrison recorded touchgrass, it's really his baby sonically, but that one we did ourselves, just you and me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I used Ruthie's old Gibson guitar that has kind of high action, doesn't really go on the road very often.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Small body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, it's a guitar that had come in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does everyone know does everyone know what high action means?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just write that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, action.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just me, that's hard to play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The strings are a little further than the fretboard than you want them to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Got to push down on some of your fingers down on the strings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to push your fingers down a little harder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the higher you get up the neck because of the high action, it's going to be more out of tune.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not going to intonate well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so thanks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, action.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It means it needs a neck reset.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It needs to have its neck taken off and glued back on by a professional Luthier and that's what Ruthie's mother.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ruthie's mom is a professional Luthier and she dreads it needs a spammyt and needs a knife.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's not going to like when I bring that over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that guitar was put together by your mom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It came in in pieces
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's in mint condition that Qatar is probably worth like this is like one piece at a time like the Johnny Cash song Car yes, it's like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably like an $8,000 guitar It because it's from the 40s or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very very old but it came together like a Lego project It had been broken.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she she lovingly put it back together and it sounds great But it's not one you would normally use but it has this vibe and it was and your finger picking on it and it's an an opening
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like, let's get into the musician technical stuff of that, because that's what you kind of asked about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's an open E, E G sharp B, E B E, tuning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which kind of a weird tuning?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the more common tuning is like open D, DAD F sharp, A D, like this one, my friend Carter taught it to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You leave the E's, you leave the E's and the B, like the high E and B's stay, the low E's stays.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you just change,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the A string, the D string, and the G string.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Instead of tuning them up, you often do a virginity tune them down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's very seropy and slack, and that guitar loves it, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like you said, like the pluckingness of it, like the notes just kind of like, they're just, they're like eager to sound for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They just kind of,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, it's just me playing guitar, it's very slow, our paginated pattern, and our two voices.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I sang it down live in one take, Ruthie sang her harmony down live in one take.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess not live as an overdub, but that's it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was, it was, it was about, it's in their semesters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I play it a little, our library organ.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You got me that for, for my birthday and like, 2005.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we have a funky little organ over there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's an organ in Maine and a teak shop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was 10 bucks, but it's like, it's as an organ that's, you know, 250 pounds or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you can get it in the car, it's yours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It lives in the studio and it makes special appearances.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And who played that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I played the organ and then I'd probably track the organ.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I second guessed myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought we should have our keyboard wizard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll Brian do it, but it was fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is fine.
22:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Did he try it and then we didn't use that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He decided that I did a good job.
22:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really play the organ, but I can, you know, I can play a couple chords and I could talk about harmony choices when you're doing it.
22:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just won't say.
22:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I hear you're a harmony whore.
22:24
[SPEAKER_02]: We'd like you to address the elegant version.
22:28
[SPEAKER_01]: So for a third row, you guys, you guys, I love how they're talking.
22:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I love how they're all you are.
22:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just say one more thing about the old friend that we can go on to harmony for a while.
22:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I often write more impressionistic songs that don't necessarily tell a linear story but I feel like old friend is one of my more literal type of songs because it was written the same day as an old friend came to visit
22:55
[SPEAKER_01]: to know who was and inspired old she's a farmer from New Hampshire where I grew up named Sarah Goose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was doing a tour of the Hudson Valley of Farms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was researching old farm equipment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She like I said she's a farmer in New Hampshire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We went to high school together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does she have a podcast with you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, but if you really want to know the inside baseball, my podcast buddy, Ben Hardy, his older brother was Josh Hardy, and Josh passed away when he was 18 years old, and it was one of the tragedies of my town when we were young, and in many ways I point to Josh's passing as what gave me the courage to be an artist, because I thought, man, if you can just have it all taken away at age 18, like why wouldn't you just
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[SPEAKER_01]: swing for the fences, right?
23:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So like I think about Josh all the time and that's Ben's older brother.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why do the podcast with Sarah Goose who I just mentioned was Josh's girlfriend.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Tea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Deep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Old friend.
23:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Old friend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's so much and Sarah and I were never like super close.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the heartys are like family to me.
24:06
[SPEAKER_01]: You know Josh was a drummer.
24:08
[SPEAKER_01]: We were never in bands together because we were both drummers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we were buddies, you know, and so that's a deep connection because any of us, from my old, I went to Oyster River High School, any of my old Oyster River friends that went through grieving Josh together were family, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when Sarah came to visit on her farm history of the Hudson Valley, she was specifically looking at old farm equipment, and I took her to a showkin.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, which happens to have so much, so much old farm equipment just sitting in bars up the road here in the town of all of Bridge, New York, the Ashok and Center out to our education center in music and dance camp place and also there's a lot of weird old farm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They collect some relics like old letterpress machines and farm equipment and but they don't want more so don't hear this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is where we do our festival by the way, the Ashokan said, say I took it off a piece every year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been talked about you, Ashokan.
25:13
[SPEAKER_01]: You joke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I took Sarah to Ashokan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was bold over by how much farm equipment is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got to spend a nice day together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when she drove down the driveway, I picked up that guitar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just wrote old friend.
25:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not just for her, it's just, I think it's more for my whole, my whole posse of buddies from that community, right?
25:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And especially that was probably like 2022 or 2023, you know, the world was still so raw and like people didn't even know if they were supposed to visit each other for so long and so like kind of like peeling that bandaid off and um and just going into, I think there's a lot of like vulnerability in that song
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
25:55
[SPEAKER_01]: When the world has changed drastically and you see someone kind of from the before times and where are you going to be in the present?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're always going to have that bond because you grew up together, but you might not think the same anymore, but I think there's a trust amongst old friends that's unique to that, those types of relationships.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: your side.
26:43
[SPEAKER_03]: My friend Joel, who goes to Sad Song, Summer Camp, it's a milk carton kids songwriting camp that we shout out to each other and kids.
26:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's where we met here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And like, yeah, so Joel,
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[SPEAKER_03]: he's a great harmony singer and fiddle player and he's one of those guys at the camp who he'll write a song but he's happier playing on your song and I'm kind of like that a little bit too like I do like to write and sing my songs but I have the most fun making someone else's songs
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[SPEAKER_03]: his harmony horses that he was wearing made me incredibly jealous.
27:22
[SPEAKER_03]: I demanded one and he custom made an ordered or somehow facilitated the making of a second and I wore it on Instagram.
27:32
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think, yeah, I think basically I, yeah, what was it?
27:39
[SPEAKER_03]: I never heard a melody.
27:41
[SPEAKER_03]: I couldn't write on top of.
27:44
[SPEAKER_04]: I am top of it.
27:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
27:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me make this whole quote from the episode.
27:51
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're a judge.
27:54
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what the click will respond to.
27:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
27:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, seriously.
27:59
[SPEAKER_03]: It is almost like an addiction or something.
28:02
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's in my family.
28:03
[SPEAKER_03]: My mom is the same way.
28:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Like if she comes to our show, like you will hear her singing or singing along.
28:09
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's,
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's mammalian, right, like a wolf house and the other one's one how and it's fun and it feels great.
28:17
[SPEAKER_03]: So if it's something that you're in touch with and you get to do, it's a real treat.
28:23
[SPEAKER_03]: And this song is so beautiful.
28:25
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll say when Mike and I met years and years ago, I mostly sang loud and I had to learn to blend with my add to learn to sing in a different sort of breathy part of my voice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is a perfect example of one of those songs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I also when I first met Mike was young and from this folks scene where I thought there was like the right harmony and then everything else wasn't right.
28:52
[SPEAKER_03]: I eventually learned from singing with friends like Efo Donovan or you know any of my close harmony singing friends who I might sing on their record and they'd say hey try this note and it's their record so that's the right harmony.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I learned a bunch of different stuff but I still have my, I guess, you know, trademark fingerprint worlds of the shit I do, which I tried to just let myself do and be comfortable on that song and it's the same melody over and over and over so each time I let another variation out, I just try to instinctively give it somewhere to go, do it really straight off the top,
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[SPEAKER_03]: get a few more interesting notes on the next one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Go back to straight, maybe one time just to fake them out and then do something a little bit more exciting.
29:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember it's four times through.
29:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's four versus think it is?
29:49
[SPEAKER_03]: And one high, different, slightly dissonant note on the last verse should do it.
29:57
[SPEAKER_03]: We just rehearsed it the other day because we were gonna track a live session of it that actually hasn't happened yet.
30:02
[SPEAKER_03]: We gotta schedule that, but the snow messed it up.
30:06
[SPEAKER_01]: you also sing it was fun to sing it again it was fun to he pulled out back at our and played it and it was like it's not like we're here we're in that song and you know it doesn't make it into the show very often because it's it's so painfully slow and quiet and quiet that it just needs it needs the right room the right audience the right love that's the on course song yeah maybe so yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
30:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I love your harmony singing on free state of mind, by the way, it's very, I feel it's, I had sung that song at a freedom gathering in New Hampshire with my friend Brendan, and I loved how he sang it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Brendan tends to sing maybe what we would call the obvious harmony.
30:53
[SPEAKER_01]: More straightforward and I loved it.
30:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And then when you approach it was so different that took the fuck up harmony.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's also like a little bit more drony or what I mean by that is like Paddle Lee is saying on one note more like He's going in a freeze, take a mind and I'm going in a freeze, take a mind.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, not in a freeze, take a mind You know, it's just like it only change if you absolutely have to
31:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's also something I do a lot.
31:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I think because it's it's an easy way to build tension by you know, if you know in your head, okay, when I get it's sort of like driving when you're when you're getting near another lane or near the curb, you're not going to go off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, it's more adrenaline if you're on the edges a little.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't advise you drive that way, but harmonize that way.
31:50
[SPEAKER_01]: We've embraced the Harmony Horde terminology, but we often call it in a classroom setting.
31:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Harmony Ninja, Ruthie's Harmony Ninja, Kenneth Patngale would be a Harmony Ninja.
32:01
[SPEAKER_01]: If O'Donovan would be a Harmony Ninja, I am a Harmony mortal, and I can own that freely.
32:11
[SPEAKER_00]: might just brought up that you're turning 50 this year.
32:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I am about to turn, I'm at that age where I'm like, how old am I?
32:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm about to turn 44.
32:23
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm a middle-aged woman and I've been getting a lot of like ads on my Instagram stories about like alternatives to Botox and ways to make my face look younger and my butt smaller.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I will not lie like sometimes I'm like lingering on those ads.
32:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, but how do I fix this thing in the middle of my eyebrows?
32:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, a couple of years ago, Ruth posted a photo of herself in the bathroom at the hood.
32:54
[SPEAKER_00]: You said that the clothes in the camera were arguably better in 2016, but there's something about the 2023 lady that is a little more comfortable.
33:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So just in thinking about all of that, how are you both feeling about aging inside and out?
33:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go there and at this point in your lives.
33:15
[SPEAKER_03]: You're absolutely right about the advertising that comes to us and this feeling of becoming more and more invisible unless you do some crazy stuff or something or even if you do the crazy stuff.
33:27
[SPEAKER_03]: The idea of disappearing slowly is really just concerning.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, it's, it's, it's pretty much like a female thing I think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Correct.
33:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and I don't really know how to navigate it or give advice about it or how I feel about it.
33:46
[SPEAKER_03]: But I do know that I am, you know, here to learn about it.
33:52
[SPEAKER_03]: And I can think of the women who are older than me, who I admire.
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[SPEAKER_03]: just look like they've been through some real stuff and they wear that with some amount of pride as opposed to hiding it.
34:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Not that they couldn't have fun to put on some lipstick or brush their hair or something, but it's those rituals of doing those sort of beauty type things are like fun and wholesome still in some way and like in
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[SPEAKER_03]: internalized with a positive feeling, not like, oh my god, I better hide.
34:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you know, um, and I think having a teenage daughter and seeing her.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, beauty regimen, which I'm just thinking is like so unnecessary because she's so perfect.
34:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but whatever, it's fun, you know, there's something about it that can be fun.
34:55
[SPEAKER_03]: So I do have an interesting relationship.
34:59
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's developing and shifting with
35:03
[SPEAKER_03]: image and my 50 birthday is literally in 10 days or something.
35:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday.
35:11
[SPEAKER_02]: So thank you.
35:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're both turning this year.
35:15
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm February 19th.
35:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, February 23rd.
35:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, nice.
35:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Steve Bullt is also the 19th.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
35:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Hard Steve Bullt case.
35:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
35:25
[SPEAKER_03]: It's their stay twin.
35:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
35:27
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, there's a guy.
35:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Jacob's still the dude.
35:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
35:30
[SPEAKER_03]: And Jacob's still the.
35:31
[SPEAKER_03]: He has a Steve has some long white hair.
35:34
[SPEAKER_03]: And yet, exudes the energy of a 16 year old somehow, most of the time.
35:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Truly, I've seen him on the beach during the Kiamo cruise.
35:45
[SPEAKER_02]: He's having the most fun at the party Yeah, but in a very wholesome way.
35:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, it's like
35:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Not even wholesome, like an authentic way.
35:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he's not, he's not thoning it in.
35:58
[SPEAKER_01]: He's, he's, he's being there now.
36:01
[SPEAKER_03]: I think maybe the wholesome part, yeah.
36:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I'm just thinking like, that is so inspiring.
36:08
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm just admiring folks like that and just trying to not put too much on my plate because I think that what,
36:19
[SPEAKER_03]: not that the entire goal of this question was to talk about beauty, but I think what affects your appearance, the worst is just feeling terrible, or feeling stressed, or having too much piled on top of your head, and that doesn't look good on anybody.
36:36
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, that's really where it's at.
36:39
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, this is advice that would probably be better sung.
36:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I have a song called
36:44
[SPEAKER_03]: do good.
36:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Do less than you've ever done before.
36:47
[SPEAKER_03]: That's that's a lyric.
36:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I try to sing to myself.
36:51
[SPEAKER_03]: So so maybe that's the song that speaks to this question.
36:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah Mike doesn't age so I don't know if you can answer this question.
37:00
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not true.
37:01
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not true.
37:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I have been fortunate in that I look much younger than I am.
37:08
[SPEAKER_01]: This comes up all the time, like, you know, like our daughter's been playing hockey.
37:13
[SPEAKER_01]: So you meet like a new group of parent friends and people always think I'm like her brother and not her dad.
37:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, this happens on the regular Opel's brother, you know.
37:23
[SPEAKER_01]: or like that I'm Ruthy's son.
37:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we'll do a song together.
37:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I love that song you just did with your son.
37:29
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like that's why I'm on it.
37:31
[SPEAKER_01]: So this doesn't happen.
37:32
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not the matter with people.
37:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've always kind of leaned into that and enjoyed it, kind of from a vein perspective.
37:43
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I can like, I know how to lean it.
37:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you wear a baseball hat in a hoodie, you automatically look.
37:49
[SPEAKER_01]: younger than a guy in a collar and tie, you know?
37:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I've stopped wearing a hat on stage partly why I wore the hat because I think it looks good in a photo.
38:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I like how a hat looks on stage but it also hid my gray hair, you know?
38:06
[SPEAKER_01]: There was some pretty hair.
38:07
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing.
38:08
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't see him, but they're there.
38:11
[SPEAKER_03]: But as you don't see him, you'd only have the hat, my think about this.
38:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying, the hat makes me look younger.
38:19
[SPEAKER_03]: But you used to wear a hat when you had no gray hair.
38:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, I had such a 20.
38:23
[SPEAKER_01]: But it became, I found that it became a disguise.
38:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't like that.
38:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to be more honest.
38:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to say that I don't miss the hat.
38:31
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't miss that hat.
38:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I am so with you.
38:33
[SPEAKER_02]: My mom and I knew we were a fan.
38:34
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think you look great now.
38:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember the hat.
38:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't.
38:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're all good times.
38:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate all the feedback of my mom.
38:40
[SPEAKER_03]: My mom is like he looks like Tony a young Tony Curtis my mom always is hair so great.
38:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Why does he hide it ever since you know, she met you.
38:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Why is he in this hat no there was a picture from I think like the 2022 summer hoots
38:56
[SPEAKER_01]: and our son will.
38:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't wearing a hat at that.
38:59
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, dead.
39:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know you had so much gray hair.
39:02
[SPEAKER_01]: He pointed it out.
39:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay fine.
39:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it doesn't matter.
39:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really leaning into being 50 and not pretending that I'm much, I'm just all about being authentic.
39:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think aging and getting older in our culture is perceived as uncomfortable, but because because it is universal,
39:19
[SPEAKER_01]: None of us will be here in a hundred years and that's cool because it's the exact same thing that happened to everyone who came before us and everyone is going to come after us And like I said, I love the mystery of that.
39:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I think when I was younger, I was probably more atheistic and I just and with that maybe more nihilistic But now I am open to the mystery and I think it's actually really beautiful and I kind of love being right in the middle of it and
39:48
[SPEAKER_01]: It makes me more calm heading into kind of what you might call the second chapter of my life the second half.
40:02
[SPEAKER_02]: My final question is, Mike and Ruth, can you each define the phrase touch grass?
40:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, um, get off your screened device.
40:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Go outside and connect with something that has been here for thousands of years.
40:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I'll go with the literal route as well.
40:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Literally go put your feet in the grass.
40:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Harder to do bare feet in February, under a foot of snow, like the world is now.
40:34
[SPEAKER_01]: But it'll sound like a silly, health podcaster guy, but it's one of the most important things you can do is to connect with the earth physically.
40:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Put your feet on the ground.
40:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So when the, quote, the kids started saying touch grass as for the reasons Ruthie brought up, you know, get off your phone.
40:52
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like my prayers were answered, like you got to be, you can't, you can't make this stuff up, that this has become like a clever cheeky, derisive thing to say to somebody when they're too plugged in.
41:05
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll also say that touch grass, verb, noun is what we're talking about.
41:10
[SPEAKER_03]: There's also touch grass, adjective, noun, the genre of music, which is on the album.
41:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Touch grass, we play touch grass.
41:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I think a big part of what we call a getting grounded, right?
41:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to get literally ground yourself, but you know, if somebody is like having a hard time, they are just, you can sense that they're not grounded as a turn of speech.
41:30
[SPEAKER_01]: getting grounded is one of the simplest ways to regulate your nervous system.
41:34
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I have, uh, this is sounds silly, but I have a copper pipe and copper wire that, uh, was driven into the ground outside our bedroom and I'll lie in bed and just hold on to that copper wire to ground myself.
41:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Literally.
41:47
[SPEAKER_01]: We spent all of our times in rubber-sold shoes and in
41:52
[SPEAKER_01]: indoors with you know polyester carpets and driving in cars with rubber tires and if you don't actually
42:01
[SPEAKER_01]: they call it death by civilization.
42:03
[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't actually think about it, you won't ever touch the grass or the ground.
42:08
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll put your shoes on, you'll walk to work, you'll drive in your car, you'll come home and your feet will never touch the ground, your bare feet.
42:15
[SPEAKER_01]: So in the times we're living in and these hyper modern technical digital times, I mean it very literally, don't forget to touch some grass.
42:24
[SPEAKER_03]: And if you think about the fact that someone who is perhaps in prison has that taken away from them or limited very greatly.
42:33
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, here we are free, out, walking around and doing it to ourselves half the time.
42:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Amen.
42:40
[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah.
42:41
[SPEAKER_03]: There, check yourself.
42:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Hell yeah.
42:44
[SPEAKER_02]: OK, with the two of you have capacity for a few
42:53
[SPEAKER_02]: They'll, they'll go like this.
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[UNKNOWN]: Who is?
42:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Longly wed.
42:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's an example.
42:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Who most closely shares the spiritual qualities of Snoopy the Cartoon Dog?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Three.
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[SPEAKER_02]: to one and then you'll say the name of the person you'll say your own names or someone will you know or one of us one of the two of you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's between the two of us.
43:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the answer is one of either one of you, both of you are neither of you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
43:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
43:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I guess.
43:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Who is the better driver of the two?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Three?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do we answer Snoopy yet?
43:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that was an example question, but I'd still like.
43:29
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd love to know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Three, two, one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
43:34
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he, that's sweet you, but I'm really not telling you about Snoopy, but my impression of Snoopy was he was the smart one who like always had his finger on the pulse of what was going on.
43:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I kept it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He kept a chill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he didn't let on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't brag about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's fruity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's the smart one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I was sorry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was the one sitting on the top of the doghouse looking around right in song.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would definitely be like, on the doghouse naked as a jag, soaking up some sun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay, so you're feeling it too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let me get he is a dog collar on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't wear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like I'm okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We did snoopy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who is the better driver of the two three two one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Mike.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, yeah, these days it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so not strong feelings though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we both do a lot of drive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We drive for a living.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We play for free, we joke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We both drive, and I do a lot of the night shift driving, which I think is maybe like, that's an important thing in the life of musicians.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll take it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he wins, because he does the night shift.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I take the night shift, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who is the better chef?
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[SPEAKER_02]: three, two, one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of my favorite things about Ruthie is the beautiful meals she creates because I'm still like a high schooler at heart who would just write songs and eat macaroni and cheese that left to my own devices.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm grateful that Ruthie puts thought into her.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Miranda family are all very, very good cooks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So he comes from food people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He appreciates good food.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which one do babies prefer?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Three, two, one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mike, cute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love babies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They love me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I always have, great one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you guys so much for coming back to basic full.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for making time for us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know it was a long time coming, but we're very grateful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thanks for your patience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, don't sweat it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so hard in the music industry these days to find ways to talk about what you do with people who actually get it and care and listen and ask intelligent questions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though we're over saturated with so much media, it's harder and harder to come by like meaningful conversations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So very great to be back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This episode of Basic Folk was produced by CJ Nungesser, Dietrich Strauss composes our music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Basic Folk is a production of the Bluegrass situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you enjoyed this episode, we recommend sharing it with a friend, like maybe that one friend who has a farm in East.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, in the market for some old farming equipment, it could make their way up to the Ashokon Center and just take a few pieces off of their hands.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Send it to that friend, because I'm pretty sure they're going to enjoy the knowledge of where they can find some old farm equipment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and also enjoy the music of the mammals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we'll talk to you next time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for listening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All the way to the end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bye!