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Drew Afualo & E.R. Fightmaster's Out Of Touch Take On Trans Women & Womanhood · Papa Gut

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  Truest thought on this is that I think that trans women have a
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  more beautiful understanding what what what womanhood is.
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  What that means? Hey, Drew Afuelo, it's been a
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  while, I guess. I agree.
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  I think that unfortunately the programming for sis women is is
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  it is. It's kind of sad sometimes.
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  And I I'm like, actually, no, your womanhood is not your role.
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  Your womanhood is not your status in society, and your
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  womanhood is not your ability to be sexually assaulted.
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  Sure. OK.
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  Is this their clip that they put out?
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  And this trans this trans debate that's like centering all on
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  well, like if a quote, UN quote man in a dress is in a bathroom,
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  he will me, I'm like, OK, well. Well, I think that this is a lot
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  to unpack. I'll get there.
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  But I will say about that one comment is that like there are a
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  lot of conservatives that are concerned that like, hey, a
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  trans woman might they might just be going into the bathroom
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  to review. And I just want you to
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  understand that like, that's probably not going to happen.
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  The real fear, which I think is totally valid from especially
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  manga conservatives, is that they're afraid they're going to
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  go and try to rap a woman and the woman will be a trans woman.
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  And they feel like that person might be able to overpower them,
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  right? That's the real, that's the real
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  manga fear. You know what I mean?
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  But OK, let's continue. Then it sounds like the problem
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  that we have is, is that men are going to and women are fearing
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  their whole lives right and right, right.
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  When you talk to trans women about their womanhood, they talk
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  about. You talk to them women.
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  I don't know. It's a weird conversation I have
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  with somebody. I'm just want to ask how your
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  day is and get something to eat. I'm hungry.
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  I'm fat. It like almost gets me choked
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  up. It's this feeling I always had.
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  I don't feel that from sis women right now because I think the
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  propaganda is so strong. I agree.
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  Yeah. And I.
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  I also think that of a a rapist man who was trying to woman, I
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  feel like he would be in a dress.
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  You'd feel too emasculated and you'd feel silly.
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  You know what I mean? That's really the fear.
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  What if somebody pretends to be trans and go into the bathroom?
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  It's like, give me a break. I feel like these are all like
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  ridiculous arguments. Make everything a a bathroom
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  stall. There was like a gender neutral
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  bathroom in some vegan place or or gluten free place I went to
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  in the city of New York crazy. And it was like a mutual wash
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  your hands area and then all the stalls were locked.
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  So like do something like that man, who gives a more, you know,
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  it's really about where the bathroom is.
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  If the bathrooms are like some kind of a seedy truck stop, I
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  think that's more of the issue. Love I love I love women, really
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  am obsessed with all women and I want.
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  I'm upset. I'm just kidding.
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  I'm obsessed with my wife and her farts.
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  Is women to stop letting men be a barrier to their identity to.
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  That's so woke. So here's my my issue I have
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  with what's going on in this like super woke thing area.
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  I'm not saying woke is bad, but like I think that one of the
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  biggest things plaguing wokeness, whether it's like left
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  or right wokeness or whatever. And I'm not saying they're both
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  the same. I'm not that guy.
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  OK, the right's worse. OK, Anyway, is that like you
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  guys have to so woke you become unrelatable.
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  Like, I like, I, I feel like I understand what you're saying,
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  but like, you're communicating it in a way where like, nobody's
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  like, oh, that makes sense. What I'm hearing is like,
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  listen, a trans woman, you know, is born male and they go through
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  male experiences and they idealize what it means to be a
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  woman 'cause they are really a woman, but they didn't get to
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  get socialized as a woman. And so they have a different
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  appreciation for that. And I, that makes some more
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  sense to me. OK, I got it.
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  But then you're like packing in other things of like, you know,
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  women are taught to be more docile in a negative way.
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  And sometimes that could lead to like, you know, dealing with
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  people solved, which is a level of truth.
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  I mean, our presidents are right and so that's not good.
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  I mean, like, you know, Texas Ken Paxton super a massive
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  sweetheart deal to a guy who was routinely being a child, like he
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  got like about 30 days in jail or something.
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  It's insane. The right right now is full of
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  so like I understand, but like the way you unpacked it was so
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  unrelatable to people. I don't think anybody looked at
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  this. They're like, Oh, this is a good
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  point. They looked at this and they
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  were like, what the are these people talking about?
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  Like it sounds like you're trying to be smart.
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  Talk like a common man, talk like a common person, talk like
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  a regular person, a regular dude or whatever.
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  I don't know, you know, they they could be a it might be non
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  binary. I respect it.
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  But you guys get so like this is what the problem is, is you guys
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  get so woke, you get unrelatable.
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  Like you should be able to, you should be able to kind of say
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  these messages to people without sounding like you're having your
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  own head up your head. And I think that's what people
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  are picking up on. Feels like you got head in your
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  butt syndrome. I made that up.
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  I don't know if you know that it's not official diagnosis.
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  I know a lot of people felt tricked by me saying that
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  because I have such an authoritative presence.
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  Huh. Anyway, that's really my only
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  problem here. I have something very awful and
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  terrible I have to deal with today, so I'm going to make this
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  one video. What?
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  Do you get that? You got that lettuce diarrhea
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  thing going on? For all of the turfs that are
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  just now finding me, I'm in a very bad mood right now.
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  Well, that's that's what they always say.
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  Make content right when you're in a bad mood, Don't.
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  Forgive me if it's crass video that you guys are getting fake
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  outraged with my friend ER, 5 masters over a year old.
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  Yo, can I tell you something? This is very strange.
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  I remember. I remember like I for some
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  reason, when people decide to to respond to backlash, I noticed a
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  lot of them do this thing where they use a mic even though they
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  have access to something good like asthma Gold did this the
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  other day. He used like a worthless mic.
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  It's like I, is it part of the like, is it supposed to make you
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  seem like, relatable? I'm just casually in my bathroom
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  taking a fetch, laying out a log, responding to backlash.
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  I'm kind of unbothered. Just a normal person like you, I
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  think, like what's happening. The fact that you're pretending
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  to give a now means that you guys saw one alt right MAGA
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  loving creator make a video espousing.
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  Well, I watched the clip itself and frankly, I thought it was
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  just out of touch. I think I understood what
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  they're trying to say. You know, it's charring because
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  I'm watching it a few days, like a few days later.
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  But I overall it was like, what the point that they're making is
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  like trans women have a different view of being a woman
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  because they're a trans woman. They have a different
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  appreciation for it because they were born, you know, a, a mab,
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  they're born male, right? And so it's like a different
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  thing. I get it.
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  I think I understood, but you guys are so out of touch in the
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  way that you communicated it. It's just like it's like it's
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  just that's what it is. I think that Drew fails is not
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  is just out of touch. They're not like a normal person
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  anymore. They're just kind of an out of
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  touch individual that has like a lot of money and very
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  successful. Turf rhetoric.
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  And now you want to get clicks and likes too.
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  Which means you didn't go and watch the episode.
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  You didn't do any of your own research.
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  That do be how clips work. And that's embarrassing, so I'll
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  go ahead and catch you up. Conversation being had is about
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  how trans women most often times identify with femininity and
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  womanhood, sometimes even better than CIS women do.
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  You're instantly losing people. Trans women don't identify with
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  womanhood and femininity better than CIS women do.
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  They just identify with it differently and they have a
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  different appreciation for it because it's something that
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  seemed unattainable to them instantaneously.
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  You just, you come off as it's just, you just come off.
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  It just comes off as just ridiculous.
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  Like you just like, why does it have to be better?
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  Why can't it just be different? Why can't we have a productive
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  conversation? Why does it have to be so like,
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  oh, I love, I love trans people. I love trans people.
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  So yeah, I like trans people. I advocate for trans people.
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  I think trans women are women. All right.
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  I know that they're women. Only people who disagree with me
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  think that there's a magical Jew wizard did those party tricks
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  born from a version. OK, you're all you.
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  I I don't know if you believe that I think it's a beautiful
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  thing. But compare that to just
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  thinking you born in the wrong body.
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  Why can't we accept those things?
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  I agree. But like just the way you talk
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  about it, it's just like, so it's almost infantilizing trans
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  people, you know what I mean? The trans people aren't better
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  or worse than anybody, you know? They're just struggling
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  differently. An entire discussion to it.
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  Maybe you should go watch it before you pretend to get mad
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  either way. Saying it's misogynistic to
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  agree with a trans woman on what it means to be a woman and then
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  in your defense of that talking point, saying things like they
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  don't know what periods feel like or they don't know what
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  childbirth feels like is really. I know what childbirth feels
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  like. I took a big bloody before.
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  This is like crazy dude. My mom said kidney stones are
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  worse than childbirth. So if you've ever had a kidney
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  stone. And by the way, my head was
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  wider than my shoulders and my mom said that her kidney stones
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  felt more painful than childbirth.
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  Take that with a grain of some. I forgot what her kidney stone
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  was made of. It was some kind of bullshit in
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  there because she's not drinking enough water.
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  Stupid and embarrassing for multiple reasons.
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  Overarching though, it's bigoted and transphobic.
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  Chad, I'm about to defend trans people in the bathroom with a
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  terrible mic quality. This is this makes me a strong
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  advocate. Ironically though, it's also
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  misogynistic. Reducing misogyny to your uterus
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  and what it does is quite literally a pillar in misogyny.
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  I wonder if she understands that there is 0 productive nature
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  into, like, the way that she's interacting with this.
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  This isn't productive. You're not really doing anything
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  productive. You know, this is one of those
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  things where, like, trans people are in the crossfire here.
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  And you said something and like, OK, MAGA took it out of context.
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  I don't know if that's probably true, but even in context, it's
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  not amazing in my opinion. And the way that you wanted to
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  have this conversation was in a way that, like, pulls fire onto
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  you and you can walk away from this topic and trans people
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  can't. So something to think about.
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  Quite literally a tenant of patriarchy.
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  Reducing women down to being able to have periods and create
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  babies is a huge misogynistic talking point weapon.
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  Wow, so true Queen. Thank you.
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  Realizing it to discredit and invalidate trans women also
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  makes you a transphobe leaving in feminine.
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  Like for me, it's hard to hear, first of all, maybe I'm just
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  old. But also like you're
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  buzzwording. While this is misogynistic, it's
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  transphobic. And maybe that is true.
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  It's hard to really comprehend what you're saying because like
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  again, you're in the bathroom for for no reason with the mic
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  that you possibly could have had.
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  Like I really don't understand the artistic choice with this.
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  I it feels intentional and like very strange and potential or
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  want to be manipulative, but what do you do?
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  What is what is this benefit from?
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  This doesn't lay anything out. It's just offensive.
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  You're upset. As unless trans women are
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  included, makes you a turf. Turf stands for a trans
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  exclusive. Radical Feminist JK.
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  Here we go guys, more buzzwords. Hey, Rowling, ever heard of her?
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  That's what she is, and that's what you sound like when you say
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  she like that. All of that to say.
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  Which is a little ironic because she did create different
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  genders, but they're called Patronuses.
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  Patronums. Mine's a hedgehog.
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  I don't know if that's true, but it's pretty cool.
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  I went on a Harry Potter walk and we got to do the Patronum in
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  the forest. It was kind of interesting.
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  It was fun. Hey, what's even funnier about
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  these ridiculous videos being made mad at me is that ER is not
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  a man. ER was assigned female at birth.
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  ER is a non binary lesbian ER. Cool.
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  Or knows all. Well, you got us like what does
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  that matter? You owned us.
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  OK, OK, that's I get it. Non binary is valid.
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  They're obviously more feminine leaning.
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  That's also valid. Sure, whatever.
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  What the does that matter? Who were you like?
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  It sounds like this is the problem is like you're trying to
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  box like whatever manga interpretation somebody had
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  said, which I haven't seen, but like, look at the way like talk
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  to your own fans here, girl, What the Hell's the matter with
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  you? All about periods because ER has
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  had them before. You.
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  Guys really need to work on taking 15 seconds and trying to
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  go viral off of it. It's embarrassing and it's
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  annoying. My stance and supporting.
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  That's your whole content for like how long Isn't your whole
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  content like outside of your podcast?
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  You got popular by taking like 2 seconds of somebody's clip and
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  just like blasting it and like and roasting the out of them,
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  like, you know, and here's the thing.
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  I understand that she does like fight against men that are bad.
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  I get it probably most of the time.
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  But I remember there was a couple of select ones and I
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  don't remember the specifics. And I really don't care that
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  were like there was just a dude making a joke with like his
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  girlfriend and she's like blasted the guy like, you know
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  what I mean? Like you do the same thing.
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  So it's like, oh, I hate clip culture.
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  Yeah. OK, cool.
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  Is it that way? You how you got popular clip
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  culture? Like, OK, I'm, I'm better than
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  it now, guys, I hate abortions. I did have seven of them.
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  But now that I'm over it and I've apologized to God, we
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  should ban that. It's like pulling the rug out
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  from under us, huh? What the hell is going on here?
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  Trans people has been consistent through the years.
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  If you followed me for real, you should know that my feminism is
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  intersectional, unlike a lot of women who claim to be feminists
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  when they make videos like that. This entire conversation.
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  I'm only a feminist in the bedroom and my wife is wearing
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  high heels and she steps on my ball.
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  OK, doesn't do that. That would be terrible to admit,
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  You know what I mean? Station is stupid, bigoted, and
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  transphobic. If you don't like that I support
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  trans women with my whole fucking chest, unfollow me that
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  bit. It's imperative CIS women
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  support trans women for real, because I know I do.
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  Guys, I'm an ally. I'm telling you know that
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  because I'm telling you that. Thanks y'all, bye.
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  Oh, thank you, Drew. That is a response to the
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  backlash.