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Golden State Killer - Joseph James DeAngelo · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: put yourself a lot. I need it, I need it. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: yours is like years on par with mine. Look that
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  Speaker 2: had a good Christmas. Then we get to talk about
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  Speaker 2: the Golden State killer we do.
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  Speaker 1: But I just want to point out there there's this
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  Speaker 1: Christmas living in a tiny home. People had a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of an issue buying stuff for us. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: however they did good though. I got a lot of
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  Speaker 1: booze for Christmas. You got a ridiculous amount of I
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  Speaker 1: got like so much beer. I got a nice bottle
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  Speaker 1: of whiskey.
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  Speaker 2: Like yes, but your favorite thing was like the meat
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  Speaker 2: and cheese.
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  Speaker 1: Or something that we got. I got like, we got
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  Speaker 1: like some like like charcotery, meat and cheese stuff like
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  Speaker 1: you're into it. I'm like, yes, give me all the meat,
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  Speaker 1: all the cheese, all the beer, all the booze. Literally,
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  Speaker 1: that's your Christmas list going forward. Yes, every year after
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  Speaker 1: that like boom meat.
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  Speaker 2: Cheese, crackers, bread and beer.
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  Speaker 1: And chocolate milk. I can always do with chocolate chocolate.
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  Speaker 1: I got you a giant bag of candy. Yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: was oh so delicious. Okay, but that aside, well, I
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  Speaker 1: just have to say I got no booze. You didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Clearly I'm the alcoholic in the family.
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  Speaker 2: I actually got super good gifts, so I'm pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: So today we're talking about the Golden State Killer.
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  Speaker 1: Dent ent dun, dun duo. Put that on a little soundboard. Actually, yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 2: So also known as the Visalia Ransacker, the East Area Rapist,
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  Speaker 2: the Original Nightstalker, and Joseph James DeAngelo Junior when he
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  Speaker 2: was finally caught in twenty eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: That's a lot of pseudonyms. That's a lot of names.
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  Speaker 1: Fuck that guy that we're gonna add more names to
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  Speaker 1: his rap sheet here.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, there were more names even and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: that's enough, that's enough.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So we're going to learn a little bit about Joseph
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  Speaker 2: and how it was he got all those names, and
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  Speaker 2: it's quite an interesting case.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's hear it. Joseph was born.
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  Speaker 2: On November eighth, nineteen forty five, in Bath, New York.
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  Speaker 2: His father was a sergeant in the United States Army.
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  Speaker 2: He had two sisters and one brother. It was claimed
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  Speaker 2: Joseph was abused by his father growing up. I'm just
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  Speaker 2: gonna say claimed because it didn't say that in all
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  Speaker 2: the articles I read, but it said the few okay,
• 6:01
  Speaker 2: and also something to mention. He witnessed his seven year
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  Speaker 2: old sister get raped by two airmen in a warehouse
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  Speaker 2: in West Germany, where the family was stationed.
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  Speaker 1: At the time. That's fucked up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so pretty traumatic, like that would be like.
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  Speaker 1: That's real fucked up, like just awful. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so as per usual, maybe not the best upbringing,
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  Speaker 2: and he had some trauma in his childhood. At some point,
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  Speaker 2: the family moved to California, as that's where Joseph attended
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  Speaker 2: high school. It was reported that Joseph committed burglaries and
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  Speaker 2: tortured and killed animals during his teenage years.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Like, so many cases start out exactly like this,
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  Speaker 1: We're talking childhood trauma, and then they move on to
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  Speaker 1: vent that trauma or frustration in some sort of way,
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  Speaker 1: generally in hurting, harming, or killing animals, before they move
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  Speaker 1: on to spearman on them. Really yeah, pretty much, And
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  Speaker 1: it's it's really sad to see if that's such a pattern.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I pretty much just described almost every serial
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  Speaker 2: killer's upbringing, and there's times where I'm like, do I
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  Speaker 2: even include that?
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know. You kind of have to to,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It's just it's interesting to me because no matter like
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  Speaker 2: I'm no, I know, it's not like probably intentional, but
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  Speaker 2: it's almost like there's so many things that are the
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  Speaker 2: same in these serial killers upbringing that it's like you're
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  Speaker 2: almost making little serial killers.
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  Speaker 1: Does that make sense unintentionally? Unintentionally? Yeah, but yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: I totally, I totally would know what you mean. It's awful.
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  Speaker 2: So in September, Joseph joined the United States Army, where
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  Speaker 2: he served for twenty two months during the Vietnam War.
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  Speaker 2: He then went on to pursue his career as a
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  Speaker 2: police officer, attending Sierra College in Rockland, California, and graduating
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  Speaker 2: with an associate degree in police science, then moving on
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  Speaker 2: to Sacramento State University in nineteen seventy one, earning a
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  Speaker 2: bachelor's degree in criminal justice, doing a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: training before finally completing a thirty two week police internship
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  Speaker 2: at the police department in Roseville, California.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that's an impressive little raption. A lot of training, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: no kidding.
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  Speaker 2: Joseph was a police officer from May nineteen seventy three
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  Speaker 2: to July nineteen seventy nine, working in Citrus Heights, Exeter
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  Speaker 2: and Auburn, all cities in California, ironically working as a
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  Speaker 2: burglary unit police officer at one point in time. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: he was fired from the force after being arrested for
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  Speaker 2: shoplifting a hammer and dog repellent. Some reports said he'd
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  Speaker 2: liked the thrill of shoplifting, others said he didn't want
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  Speaker 2: those particular items he was purchasing on record.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's a little bit of foreshadowing and sounding really
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  Speaker 1: dark right there.
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  Speaker 2: H So, now, during his time as a police officer,
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  Speaker 2: Joseph was also the Vicealia ransacker, an East Area rapist.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like that makes the crimes almost worse that
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  Speaker 2: he was like a police officer while he was doing
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  Speaker 2: like some real shit.
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  Speaker 1: He can have some real fucking sway in those cases too,
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  Speaker 1: even like potential with messing with evidence, for example, or
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  Speaker 1: persuading police to look in another direction, you know, those
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  Speaker 1: investigators on the case or something.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because this was one statement it said, well,
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  Speaker 2: for example, while investigating burglaries during the day, he was
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  Speaker 2: committing them at night. But then nothing that I ever
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  Speaker 2: read said that he was ever like on the cases
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  Speaker 2: that he had done. But I mean would have been yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so I don't know, but then he also knew it
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  Speaker 2: made him always like one step ahead of the police too, right.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, definitely, like all that definitely major advantage, oh, one
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: So from nineteen seventy three to nineteen seventy six, as
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  Speaker 2: the Visalia ransacker, Joseph is believed to have been responsible
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  Speaker 2: for one murder and approximately one hundred and twenty burglaries.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus, And sorry, this was by what time?
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  Speaker 2: This is in nineteen seventy three to nineteen seventy.
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  Speaker 1: Six, seventy three to seventy six, Okay, so that's all right,
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  Speaker 1: almost ten year period.
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  Speaker 2: No three, nineteen seventy three, nineteen seventy six, I was
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  Speaker 2: thinking eighty six, but okay, seventy three to seventy six, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so three years, dang, And I think that's he was
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  Speaker 2: even at one point gone by a different name or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And again I said that there's just too many fucking
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  Speaker 2: names that I just left it at, like the main ones.
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  Speaker 2: So it could have even been I think it was
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  Speaker 2: in like a twenty month or something period that he
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  Speaker 2: had actually committed those like one hundred and twenty burglaries.
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  Speaker 2: Like it is a very short period of time.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm going to do the math right now
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  Speaker 1: on that too. He was a busy boy. Three hundred
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  Speaker 1: and sixty five times three divided by how many? How many?
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  Speaker 1: One hundred and twenty, one hundred and twenty. Oh I'm
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: never mind. I did that math totally wrong, and minus
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, that's not right, divided by one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and twenty. Yeah. He was doing a burglary every eight
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  Speaker 1: point nine days.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so just over every week, and I might say
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  Speaker 2: it later. I think I do say it later, but
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  Speaker 2: he would be like sometimes doing more than one a day,
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  Speaker 2: so wow, yeah, Okay, So the first recorded ransacking occurred
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  Speaker 2: on March nineteenth, nineteen seventy four, So see that said
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  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy three, but then the first recorder one is
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  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy four. So that's why it's like he did
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  Speaker 2: that evening shorter period of time. Yeah, so I believe. Oh,
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: for fuck's sakes, I'm saying it right here. It's like
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  Speaker 2: we're going off of my notes and then I'm just like, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: you got to have your notes. I totally did because
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: you took me there. I feel like, Okay, where the
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  Speaker 2: hell am I Okay, so the braakons were weird. They
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  Speaker 2: seemed very much so for pleasure as opposed to benefit from,
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  Speaker 2: like stealing items of worth. For example, so the first
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  Speaker 2: ransacking on March nineteenth, he stole some of fifty bucks
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  Speaker 2: in coins from a piggybank. Most of the braakins involved
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  Speaker 2: rifling through or vandalizing the homeowner's possessions, for example, scattering
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  Speaker 2: women's underwear around, like, Okay, I'm sorry, but I don't
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  Speaker 2: think I could live my life the same after I
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  Speaker 2: came home to some person that had done that.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds like like a fucking like frat kid's prank
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  Speaker 1: or something. I know, I am an adult actually getting
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  Speaker 1: off on something, not physically getting you know what I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just getting pleasure out of it. But it sounds very
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  Speaker 1: childish like that's what like it does. Actually the guys
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  Speaker 1: who are fresh into college, like, yeah, I'm gonna go
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  Speaker 1: on a panty raid, you know that sort of like
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  Speaker 1: stupid shit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but soon you'll find out how nasty this guy was.
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  Speaker 2: That's just like and stealing low value items well, ignoring
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  Speaker 2: higher value items that could even have been in plain sight.
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  Speaker 2: He would also do things like rearrange items in the
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  Speaker 2: house or steal just one earring from a set.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's slightly funny. Asshole is definite asshole, but it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of funny. Yeah, Like he's really just playing with that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's a total mind game. It's not about the money
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  Speaker 1: or anything. It's just easy being an ask just to
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: be a dick. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of funny. It's
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: not funny, but it's kind of funny, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, and then here I am where I said there
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  Speaker 2: would be days he would have multiple ransackings. Yeah, on
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  Speaker 2: one particular day, November thirtieth, nineteen seventy four, there were
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  Speaker 2: twelve separate incidents.
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  Speaker 1: Holy shit.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, Okay, I'm sorry, but there's no
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  Speaker 2: way that someone could get that many done in a day. Like,
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  Speaker 2: there's just no way the Grinch could.
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  Speaker 1: I think the Grinch stole an entire town's worth of shit.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm like, I'm not that productive, So how's this dude?
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  Speaker 2: But he had like quite the mL including I have
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  Speaker 2: a list here, climbing fences and moving through established roots
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  Speaker 2: such as parks, walkways, ditches, and trails, attempting to pry
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  Speaker 2: open multiple points of entry, particularly windows, leaving multiple points
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  Speaker 2: of escape open, especially windows as well as the house,
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  Speaker 2: garage and garden doors, moving or removing windows screens and
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  Speaker 2: put icing them on like the bed. Placing warning items
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  Speaker 2: such as dishes or bottles against doors and on door
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  Speaker 2: handles so that when someone was fucking home and home
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  Speaker 2: he would hear right away. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was creating little alarm systems.
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  Speaker 2: And wearing gloves. Being a police officer who investigated burglaries,
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  Speaker 2: he would know how to get away with these sort
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  Speaker 2: of crimes.
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  Speaker 1: Fingerprints, fingerprints he knew. Mm hmm. Now just this time
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: was DNA maybe nowhing No, but it foxed him over
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  Speaker 1: in the end. And I was about to say, like,
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: he probably didn't worry about DNA, and now a new
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: technology caught up. Yeah, yes, okay, awesome.
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  Speaker 2: He did commit one murder during this time, on September eleventh,
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  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy five, and it was the murder of a
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  Speaker 2: man named Clyde Snelling RP.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Clyde. I know.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting enough, Clyde had previously chased someone he had discovered
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: under his daughter best window on February seventeenth of that year.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't exactly say, but I believe that would have
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  Speaker 2: been Joseph, as you'll learn soon enough that he usually
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: targeted his victims and would learn their ways. But on
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  Speaker 2: this particular night, Claude awoke in the middle of the night,
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  Speaker 2: it was like two in the morning or something, hearing
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: strange noises. When he went to investigate, he discovered that
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  Speaker 2: his back door was open and a ski masked individual
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  Speaker 2: Joseph was attempting to kidnap Beth. Joseph then shot Claude
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  Speaker 2: two times before fleeing the scene. Claude, unfortunately died en
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  Speaker 2: route to the hospital.
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  Speaker 1: Dang, but I mean, can we I don't know this
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  Speaker 1: is your your thing here, but can we make Claude
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: or badass the day for save his daughter?
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  Speaker 2: There was actually one video I watched of I think
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  Speaker 2: it was Beth, and like I don't remember it super well,
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: but she was kind of going on about like how
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: she felt kind of guilty, right like because was there
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  Speaker 2: something she could have done to save her dad?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's like that's.
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  Speaker 2: A lot on a kid, right Yeah, But then she
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  Speaker 2: had said, like her mom said, like if there was
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: like twenty mass men out there, like he would have
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: done the same thing, like and she didn't fully know
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: like that there was nothing she could do until like
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: she had kids herself, because like you would just do
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: anything for your kids, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I was like, oh my gosh.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: My heart, like that is freaking sad. But yeah, he
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: was like it sounded like an amazing person. And he
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: died saving his daughter, which is incredible.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Can he be your badass of the day. Absolutely, Claude,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: You're a badass. Wait to protect your daughter?
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  Speaker 2: Like amazing, just an amazing person. So, after the escalation
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: of murder, the police stepped up their game to catch Joseph,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: offering a reward and setting up nighttime stakouts near house
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  Speaker 2: as he had previously targeted. The ransackings continued, but on
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: December twelfth, nineteen seventy five, there was a very close
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  Speaker 2: call of catching him. A detective was on steakout inside
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: a garage where Joseph was known to frequent and sure enough,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, you want to take a break while
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: you pour yourself.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Some more champagne. I'm sorry, my glasses empty. What that's
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: like an emergency situation, I'm urgency, I don't know, yes, okay,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: And sure enough Joseph entered the backyard.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: The detective fired a warning shot at Joseph and it
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: attempted to detain him, but Joseph was able to jump
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: the fence when he himself fired a shot at the detective,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: just missing the detective's face and shattering his flashlight that
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: he was probably holding right next to me, Like, just
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: gear the shit out of you. A nearby officer rushed
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: to the detective's aid, which allowed for Joseph to escape.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Fuck but I'm just like breag. I actually had some
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Zerr's reactions researching this because I was getting pissed.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I have a feeling that I'm gonna get really angry
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: on this episode because Joseph is already fucking pissing me off. Well,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: he's a douche canal. He is a douche canoe, especially
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: because like there's so many signs already, like just the
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: single earring thing, for example, Oh yeah, just shows that
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: he's just doing this just for fun. Oh fuck this guy.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Though the single earring thing is slightly funny, I'll admit it,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: it's kind of funny. No, but fuck you, Okay, if
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: you just it's like that that TikTok, Like if you're
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: a break into someone's house and steal one thing or something.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: That's just did that series I did. Yeah, like fucking
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: millions of you were like doing robbers shit all over
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: a house is alarming.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: So it's like steel steel, like the agglets off the
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: shoelaces or like the filling out of the oreo or
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, it's like just labels off cans. Yeah,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: that's sort of ship. So it's kind of along those
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: same lines. It's just comedic. Actually doing it is fucking
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: asshole and the fact that he's doing it and continuing
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: and getting bigger and bigger with the things that he's
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: doing just to be a fucking asshole.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Oh. Just this is nothing really yet in my opinion,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: because it gets way worse.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Well okay, but before we do. Like there's such a
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: difference on people doing it because it's like that's their
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: mindset and they want to they I don't know how
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: to explain it, but you're the way you grew up.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: You got this mindset of like, Okay, you know, I
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: need to kill animals, I need this outlet. He's just
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: like I just want to because it's funny, Like you know,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know. He might have had a need of sorts. Right,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: he may have, but as far as I can tell
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: right now, it's just for shits and giggles, which makes
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: it that much worse.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, so many articles that I read said there was
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: a suspicion whoever they were looking for had served in
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: the military or in law enforcement, because it always seemed
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: like they were one step ahead, which we kind of
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: had already talked about.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: And if only they.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Had caught him at this particular time, because it goes
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: massively downhill from here.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Shit.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Joseph moved to the Sacramento area, and from nineteen seventy
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: six to nineteen seventy nine his crimes would drastically escalate
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: and he would become known as the East Area rapist.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Fuck.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: In this time span, he would rape at least fifty
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: women and murder one couple what like, And that's the
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: ones that have reported it, right, there could be ones
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: out there that probably didn't report it. Holy fuck, fifty women, Like,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: that's a lot off this guy. And that was again
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: in a span of like three years, Like that's a lot.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: In the night, Joseph would creep middle class neighborhoods, looking
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: through windows and search for women who lived alone in
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: one story homes, preferring homes be around an open space
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: that would allow for him to quickly escape, so like
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: their house, backing onto like a schoolyard or creek or
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: trail or something. Right. He would then go about learning
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: his victim's daily routine routines, frequently phoning them, sometimes months
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: in advance, and being a motherfucker creeper.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, this is one thing I have heard about this case.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: He was like seriously creepy with it, wasn't he like
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: breathing into phone.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, and then what would he He would do
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: things like he would say.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Gonna kill you, gonna kill you, gonna guill you, ll
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: you like shit. See, he's doing it just for shits
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: and giggles because he that's what he likes. Yeah, like that.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I just think I would just be done. Like I
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: think I would just be moving out of the country
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: at that point, because I don't think if I got
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: a phone call like that that I'm not the type
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: of person that could just get.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Over that and move on with my life. Yeah, I'd
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: be like, nope, bye, see you, I'm sorry.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, And when it was time for his attack,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: he would often break into their homes in preparation, so
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: to unlock windows, turn off porch lights, unload guns, and
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: plant materials like shoelaces that he would use later to
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: bind his victims. Fuck, like setting the scenes so it's
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: ready for him, which is.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Just so he'd do this like the night before he'd
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: break into their home that day.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Or I don't even know, but at some point, which
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: is ough. Initially Joseph was just targeting women. They would
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: sometimes have children in the home with them, but a
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: man wasn't present. But it's believed that as a direct
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: result of media reports claiming that he only attacked women
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: alone in their home, he decided to change his mo
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: because like you're saying, this is a game fun, right,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: and started to further challenge himself and move on to couples.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Fuck and like, oh my gosh, this it's just terrifying. Okay,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Like I don't even want to talk about it's so terrifying.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I don't even want to talk about. This guy's kissing
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: me the fuck off.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: So he'd wake the sleeping couples by shining a flashlight
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: in their face and threaten them with a handgun.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Shite.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: In one particular attack. He hid in a couple's closet,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: waited for them to fall asleep, and then announce himself,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: shining a flashlight in their face. And when the husband
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: went to reach for the gun he kept next to
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: the bed, Joseph flashed the light on the bullets he
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: was holding in his hand. He had already emptied the gun.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Fuck, could you imagine me in that situation what my
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: reaction would be?
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Like, I don't know. You don't you
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: think you just get get away?
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I think I would, okay, because what's my history have
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: been before? On situations where shit wakes me up?
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: You're like ready to rock and roll, like in your
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: under were just ready to go.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, I don't even think about the consequences.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I'm just up and I am running towards whatever the
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: issue is. Yeah, before I even wait, you might actually
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: even catch Joseph. Her I might. And not because I'm
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: trying to say like I'm a badass and that's what
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I do, but because I'm just so fucking out of it.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I'm just I don't have a fucking aware for the
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: risk or the hazard. Yeah.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I had one time in an old house set in
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: our alarm off because I wasn't want to work, or
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: you and you were in graveyards or something.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think we might have talked about this before.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Oh okay maybe, but then just in short, like I'm
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: like trying to turn it off, and then all of
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: a sudden, you were on the bottom of the stairs
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: in your underwear, like ready to fuck someone up.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I had like my fists in the air well. The
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: alarm was going off, woking up. I just flew out
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: a boat ready to fight someone. He'd just broken her.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: It was more alarming for me than the alarm going off.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not going I was so confused. I was like
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: ready to punch someone, and You're standing there terrified, and
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what is going on?
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, back to the story. If we get in here,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: holy shit, let's do it.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: But like at that point you I, okay, maybe not you,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: but I feel like most people would just know that
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: you're like fucked.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you are fucked. I probably would have been shot,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: is what would have happened? If I've got up and
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: then I'd be massively fucked. Yeah, I would have been shot.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: So victims were then bound. The female often made to
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: tie up her loved one before, for she herself was bound,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: which I just hate so tightly, like bound so tightly
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: that victims reported their hands being numb for hours after
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: being untied. They're also generally gag, I'm assuming, to stop
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: them from making much noise, right, and this part because
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: we didn't think it was also awful enough. But Joseph
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: would separate the couples in the home, generally leaving the
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: man in the bedroom and bringing the woman out into
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: the living room, and he'd stack dishes on the man's back,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: threatening to kill everyone in the home if he heard
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: the slightest rattle of a dish, Like, I don't know,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I just hate that, Like really, you're just really in
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: between a rock and a hard place. Then, as I'm
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: sure you assumed, he would rape the woman, sometimes repeatedly,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: while taking breaks in between taranac the house, going through
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: closets and jawers. And this motherfucker would cook himself food
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: sometimes or have food or sorry, or have a beer
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: that he found in like the victim's kitchen. Fuck, and
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: then he would go back and like rape the woman again.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: It's a total pleasure thing, Yes, totally getting off from
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the control. It's disgusting the fact that he can.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: He would be in the home for hours at a time,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: the victims not always even knowing if he was left
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: or if he was still there, right, if he had
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: left or if he was still there, Like what the fuck?
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: As per usual, he'd steal very little, often objects and
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: items of little value, but occasionally he would steal some
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: cash and firearms. The murder he committed as the East
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Area rapist was Brian and Katie meg Megie were I
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: think they were walking their dog in the night of
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: February second, nineteen seventy eight, near an area that had
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: just previous they had five attacks occur, so I feel
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: like almost like stay home, that's scary. But they were
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: just out for a stroll. There was a confrontation of sorts.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming they may have confronted Joseph, like caught him
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: on the prowl or something, right. Joseph then shot Brian,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: and as Katie was fleeing and yelling for help, he
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: shot her too.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Fuck Like just brutal.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: After the murders of Brian and Katie and the last
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: contra Acosta County rapes, that's like.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: A mouthful that ten times fast. I know.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy nine, Joseph would move on yet again,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: moving to southern California, where his crimes escalated again.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I think that's like the only way any of these
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: guys get away with anything is if they move around.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting how they just like escalate so much too,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Like are they they're getting bored I guess, right.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or something They're trying to well, and they think
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: they can get away with it. So they're like, let's
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: see how much I can get it with, you know,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: so it becomes this bigger game of what else can
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I do?
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, so he where were we? He moved to
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: southern California and he would become known now as the
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: knight Stalker and then the original night Stalker because another
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: serial killer in the area committing similar crimes as Joseph
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: would have the night Soccer name.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: So he got the original night Soccer. Was it a
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: copycat or no?
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. His name was Richard Ramira's I
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: think is what it was.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Just ended up being similar situations.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then but Joseph, I think he got the
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: original because he had his crimes had started before. But
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Wow, you're competing for those kind of names, Like.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: That's super real, fucking winners.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: So, Joseph's reign of terror as the original night Stalker,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: who would last from nineteen seven to nineteen eighty six,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: with him being most active between nineteen seventy nine and
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one, but returning with one final debut in
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six. Okay, other than murdering people, Okay, So
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I said that his crimes escalated, and really all that
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: could they could do to escalate is he was murdering
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: his victims. Now, Yeah, but before I get into that,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I wanted to talk about the speculation why his attacks
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: were so sparse or why he might have stopped altogether.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: And well, that's because he had a.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Family, right I heard about this isn't that nice? Yeah,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: ass wipe got a family? Was around the times of
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: him having kids or something, wasn't it. Yeah?
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Like I just don't think that he should have had
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: the opportunity to have a family.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: But no, that's just me. Okay.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: So in nineteen seventy Joseph was actually engaged to a
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: woman named Bonnie. This isn't overly important because she dodged
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: the bullet and broke things off with him in nineteen
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: seventy one. But I wanted to throw it in there,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: because during at least one of the rapes, it was
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: reported that Joseph would repeatedly say, I hate you Bonnie.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Really, it's just like disturbing. What the fuck? Yeah, so,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I mean she left him.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: There was even other articles that I read that he
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: threatened to murder her to get her to marry him
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: and stuff. So like she like super dodged a bullet.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: No kidding, But I just there's so much psychology behind
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: that I hate you Bonnie, like what. So, yeah, there
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: was obviously some resentment there. Wow.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: But in November of nineteen seventy three, he married. He
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: married Sharon Marie Hohodle. She apparently didn't get so lucky
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: by learning his true cothers. They purchased a house in
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Citrus Heights, which is in California, in the year of
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty. Little side note, this house is where he
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: was actually arrested in twenty eighteen, living with his daughter
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: and granddaughter.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: He carried on till twenty eighteen. It's a little bit
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: of foreshadowing. Man, Holy shit, I didn't realize it was
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: that like little time ago that he was arrested.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Wow, okay, So Joseph and Sharon had three daughters before
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: they separated in nineteen ninety one. So Joseph's first attack
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: as the original nightstalker was on a Monday, October one,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy nine.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: It was in the.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Santa Barbara County and thankfully this couple survived. Breaking in,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Joseph got to the point where he was able to
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: tie up the couple, but after hearing him say to himself,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I'll kill him, the couple tried to escape. When he
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: left the room with the woman screaming. Realizing he basically
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: fucked up and the neighbors could have been alerted, Joseph
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: fled the scene. One of their neighbors was apparently an
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: FBI agent. She had to w'd respond to the norse
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: and went after Joseph, but he was ultimately able to
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: get away. Fuck but geez, i'd want an fb buy
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: FBI agent is my neighbor? Hey kidding, that's the kind
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: of neighbor you'd want.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: If you're gonna go buy a new house or get
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: a new apartment or something, find a place with the
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: FBI neighbor, like, that's that should be on the list
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: that you're looking at. Tell your realtor that is, talk
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: to your reality out there. What's the building manager for
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: apartments and stuff? Talk around and be like, so, do
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: you know have any uh FBO agents in the area
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: or anything that we can move in next door to
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Because a lot of people I think, like in this case,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I've gotten there yet, but they
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: hear the gunshot and they like won't even do anything.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: But at least you know, the FBI agent would be like,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: he'd be like you like out the door.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Probably before you can even react.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Right, So I think that'd be an awesome neighbor. His
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: shoe prints, so Joseph's shoe prints and twine used to
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: bind the couple was later linked to his next attack,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: which brings us to the next attack, which took place
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: on December thirtieth, forty four year old Robert Offerman and
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: thirty five year old Deborah Manning.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Why do you have a sorry? Just Robert Offman. As
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: soon as you said that name had just brought Nick
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Offerman into mind the actor.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: So they were found dead, shot dead in Robert's condominium
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: neighbors had heard gunshots and Robert's bindings were untied, indicating
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: that he had lunch at Joseph. But unfortunately, the couple
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: did not survive their injuries. Now to move on to
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: the following year, nineteen eighty, there would be four more victims,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: two couples. On March thirteenth, thirty three year old Charlene
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Smith and forty three year old Lyman Smith were found
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: murdered in their home. Their wrists and ankles had been
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: bound with drapery court and Charlie had been raped. The
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: couple was then bludgeoned to death with a log from
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: their outside wood pile. Fucking brutal, Like that's just like
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: a brutal, disgusting way to.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Die, no kidding, geez, like gross, this guy's such a dick.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's awful. So next, on August nineteenth would be
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: twenty four year old Keith Harrington and twenty seven year
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: old Patrese Harrington. This couple were newlyweds. They had just
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: been married three months prior to their attack. Lock which
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: is I don't know, not that that makes it worse,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: but it's just like they're just starting like their marriage,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: like oh.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: My gosh, I mean there's there's.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Always there still should be celebrating.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Really, yeah, there's substances to any circumstance, Like if, for example,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: someone's like house burns down, Okay, yeah that's terrible. But
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: if you're houst burns down on Christmas, it's just that
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: it's that extra salt in the wound.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: You know, it totally is. So they lived in a
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: gated community. Keith was a medical student and Patrese was
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: a nurse. Patrise had been raped and they had both
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: been bound, but no murder weapon from their bludgeoning. I
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: love trouble saying that blood had been found at the scene.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Keith's brother, however, Bruce, was actually quite well off, and
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: when later spend nearly two million dollars supporting a California
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: proposition authorizing DNA collection from all California felons and certain
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: other criminals.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Shit, so this is where it starts taking him down.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming I'm not actually a hunterred percent certain if
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: like how much Bruce had to help with this situation,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: because this is that particular thing was like, as soon
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: as you're basically a felon that they can collect or
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: DN I to put in their database. Okay, I see,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: it's sort of what his money was going to. But
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: I obviously clearly he was like really involved, right, and
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: so I think he could have been helpful.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: To this well. I mean later on when they had
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Joseph DNA, it could have helped them rule out some suspects. Yeah,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: so that's good and totally narrow it down sort of thing. Totally. Yeah.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, So the following year, nineteen eighty one, joseph'snack's victim
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: would be Manuela with Hume, who was married, but her
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: husband was not home at the time. Some reports not
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: all said that he was actually like hospitalized at the time,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: So that's like real shitty there too. She was again
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: raped and murdered, and that's that fuck. Yeah, Like I
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: don't understand why he's just started murdering all these people,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: but it has to be because he was just like
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: getting bored and what else can I do?
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's just taking the next step.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: And then on July twenty seventh, thirty five year old
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Sherry Domingo and twenty seven year old Gregory Shantez would
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: be Joseph's last married couple, married or murdered couple, and
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: last couple, So last couple that was murdered, but not
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: the last victim.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Dude. Well yeah, that's kind of why I asked married, like,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: is he gonna murder like other people?
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Just yeah, there's only one more after this, So we're
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: we're getting we're getting close here. So they were attacked
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: in Cherry's residence, blocks away from Robert Offerman's condominium. Actually,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Joseph entered the home through a small bathroom window. Gregory
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: had not been tied up, so it's believed that he
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: may have realized who he was dealing with from like
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: the Ofuferman Manny murders, like he might have seen in
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: the news, right, and fought back, but he was shot
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: and bludgeoned to death with a garden tool. No neighbors
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: apparently responded to the gunshot. Jerry was raped and also bludgeoned.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Joseph would take basically a five year break before he
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: struck again on May fourth, nineteen eighty six, his last
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: and final victim that is known. That is known really,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: because I feel like when there's this amount of victims, like, oh,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: there has to be some that are not known.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Oh definitely, really, I mean, even if you get caught.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: No one is ever telling their their full victim lest yes,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: some people are like ready and ampt to brag, but
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: they're not telling everything.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Like even if you're caught as a kid and like
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: your parents are asking you and you have to divulge
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: what you did, like you leave shit out.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: I think in this you leave shit out, you leave
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: victims out.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I punched him in the face, but like I bear,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: he tapped him, which really wowed up in like big
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: old haymakers.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, so this last victim would be Janelle Lisa Cruz.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: She was only eighteen years old. And that's actually just
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: a side note that I never put in here, Like
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: some of the people that he raped were kids, like
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: as young as third co course, and I had never
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: put that in there earlier, and I should have.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: But yeah, some of the victims were young. I don't
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: think we've covered a rapist yet that hasn't raped a minor,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I know, which is just disgusting, absolutely discussing so gross.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Like it's just beyond I can't even imagine, likeugh, Okay,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: so she was raped in and found bludgeoned to death
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: by what they believed he used was a pipe wrench
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: when and her family was away vacationing in Mexico brutal,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: so like she probably really wishes, well she should have
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: gone to Mexico because just that age, I could see
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: maybe I'm not going away on family case and I'm
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: staying home. There could have been other reasons why.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: She was going to Mexico. I'm sure an eighteen year old,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: who do you want to go to?
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Not necessarily it's still a family vacation, and it was
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: some teenagers think.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Full sock right, I'd be all over fucking Mexico. My parents, like,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: we're going to Mexico. Do you want to come at me? Fuck? Yeah,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I'm coming to Mexico. You ain't leaving me behind, no way? No, okay.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: So do you want to know how this mofo gets caught?
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Yes? I fucking do. I want to be caught already.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Because so his last is nineteen eighty six was the
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: last known thing. He didn't get caught until twenty eighteen.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a time span a fuck.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: So this dude got to live for over like thirty
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: years as a free motherfucking.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Man, probably thinking he's going to get away with it,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: and no probably oh I bet you.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: He was almost guaranteed he'd get away with this at
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: that point, like thirty years okay, fuck yeah, So Joseph
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: would become the first public arrest obtained through genetic genealogy.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Oh really, I was like, what the fuck's that?
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: So it's a new wish technology that takes the DNA
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: of an unknown suspect left behind at a crime scene
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: and identifies them by tracing a family tree, a family
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: tree through their family members who have voluntarily submitted their
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: DNA to public genealogy databases.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Yep. I was like, that's interesting.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: So it's like twenty three and meters ancestry DNA, Like,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you've heard of some of them.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, And I'm sure a lot of those things.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: It's like you don't even realize you're actually giving your
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: DNA to public sources like this because you're probably signing
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: off on the paper. Oh yeah, because lots who don't
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: read all that. Yeah, so you're probably just signing off
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: just to like, oh, I'm going to see if I'm
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: like Norwegian, German, fucking whatever. And here it's like in
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: the spine print, you're giving your DNA for like investigative databases.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: And shit.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: But technically, the normal, the normal, the main source of
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: people wouldn't have to worry about that coming back to
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: buy them in the end.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, totally right. But now that actually brings
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: up a question. I just realized, I wonder if those
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: types of websites and stuff are at least funded but
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: potentially run by like police sources or government sources like that.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: I don't think so, because I think some there were
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: some people that had problems with using them as a
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: way to find these bad people, right, so, and they
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: had But I mean, I think it's perfectly fine, Like
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: I think you're fine, totally. But yeah, I mean, who
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: knows maybe way back in the back end that no
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: one really knows they are funding them in some way.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Hey, I'm sure there's got to be some sort of
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: connection there.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I have a number here of how many soon
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: like they've helped. Yeah, so far, so a lot so so.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: To identify Joseph in particular, investigators narrowed the family tresearch
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: based on age, location, and other characteristics. Once investigators were
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: able to zero on Joseph himself, they watched him and
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: collected his DNA from a discarded tissue left in the
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: trash boom, like this motherfucker is done. Don't blow your nose.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Don't blow you throw it in the draft.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: That's the moral of the story today. Done. Don't blow
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: your motherfucking nose. Jesus.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: So, investigators plugged the DNA from the tissue into the
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: genealogy database and found a match linking Joseph's DNA to
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: DNA found at crime scenes.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Bohm, Joseph, you'd done.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Shouldn't blow you know, which caused his arrest in April
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: of twenty eight. Yes, motherfucker, like yes, like it's just
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: I bet, oh my gosh, like no one probably expected this.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: It's like the best thing ever. Really.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: So once Joseph was taken into custody, he said to
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: himself an interview room, I did all those things.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: I just all those lives, he said to himself. Yeah,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: he was like in an interview room. So he's one
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: of those idiots most likely. I mean, I don't think
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: you have the fact on it, but one of those
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: idiots most likely who thought he was alone in an
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: interview room not being recorded and spoke to himself possibly fuck.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: But so yeah, he's basically but he's an old man
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: to at this point, he's in his seventies, Like, what's
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: he gonna do?
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I know that. I don't know. However, there's
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of cases I've looked into, even stuff that
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: we haven't discussed in this podcast yet. There's a lot
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: of cases out there where people say shit because they
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: don't think they're being recorded in an interrogation room. Bitch,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: You're always being recorded in an interrogation room. It's really
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: interrogation room.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Oh and I never stuck it in here, and I
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: hope I can remember it correctly. But there was something
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: about he said he had like this other like that.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I think it was he named him like Jerry, like
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: almost his person telling him what to do that he
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: couldn't like control. But it does seem kind of like
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: made up at that point in the in the room,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: he could have just been like done, Like really, do
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: you really think.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Jerry's gonna say, hey, Joseph, break into that old lady's
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: house and steal one earring? Like what? No?
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: No, he came up with the shit on his own, right. Okay,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: So a cool side note is, since Joseph's of rest,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: because he was like the first over one hundred and
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: fifty suspects have been identified through genetic genealogy, and that
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: that article that I had read too was in like
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: late twenty twenty, so I'm sure there's even more now,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Oh definitely, Like that's freaking awesome. Okay, so a few
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: crummy things. Joseph did plead guilty and will obviously be
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: spending the rest of his life in prison, which is good,
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: but he won't be facing the death penalty because he
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: took a plea deal which required him to admit to
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: multiple uncharged acts, including his rapes. Now the rapes were
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: uncharged acts, and the burglaries too because with California's statute
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: of limitation. Oh fuck of course, I guess enough time
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: had passed from the incidents that he could no longer
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: be charged for them, so he basically went unpunished for them,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: which I actually don't agree with at all.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I don't make any sense. It doesn't if you did
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: the crime, you serve the time.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, who cares when the fuck it was.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I can understand some plea deals, like.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: For minor offenses maybe oh oh sorry, we had different ways.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he totally did. I can understand plea deals where
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: it's like Okay, we've got you for these couple murders.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: If you tell us where the bodies of the rest
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: of the people are, you won't get charged for those
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: ones if you admit to them, because we can't tie
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: you to them. Yeah, if you fess up help us
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: find the bodies, you're not charged for those. You're just
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: charged for the three. And now you're making a deal,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: you're bartering. I can understand that, because you can't charge
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: him for it. The only way you're going to know
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: is if he fesses up and helps you.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Anyways, Well, the plea though, was he he I think
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: he went and he divulged like a lot of information
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: about the rapes and stuff.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so right, so getting that information, which which is beneficial. However,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it's okay for someone to get
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: away with that shit, but at least at least it's
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: just a silver lining. At least you're getting to know
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: information you would have known before.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: And he did get charged for each of the murders,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: and they were all their own sentencing, so but I mean, like, gosh,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: you could have just got charged for want He's seven
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: years old. He's going to be in jail. Forever, right,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: But sometimes it's also helpful for the families knowing that, oh, yeah,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: someone just charged for the acts.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: So in August of twenty twenty, rape survivors, their relatives
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: and the relatives of those he had killed got the
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: opportunity to confront Joseph and they shared stories of fear, grief,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: and their resilience moving forward with their life. But how
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: they are now confronted knowing that Joseph is finally going
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: to prison and will remain there until the day he dies,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: which is awesome. On August twenty first, twenty twenty, Joseph
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: was officially sentenced to life in prison with the chance
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: of parole. I didn't love this. He was given the
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: opportunity to address his victims, which I don't particularly agree
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: with because, in my opinion, when what he said was stupid.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: But like also, he couldn't have said anything that would
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: remotely make anyone feel better anyway. But I think it'd
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: been nice for them to basically say their peace without
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: having to hear a reply.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I think personal enough. I think if if you are
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: going to hear a reply, I think it should be
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: up to the discretion of the family to approve or
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: disapprove of them speaking in court.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because here I want to say what he said.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: He says, fuck all, like he's just like a little fucker,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Like I don't like him at all, and I don't
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: think he should have got chances to talk. So, rising
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: from his wheelchair, which all know one thing about in
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: a minute and removing his face max mask, he said,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: I've listened to all your statements, each one of them,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: and I'm truly sorry to everyone I have hurt. Thank
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: you your honor. Like what a douche Like that's nothing.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like that make me worse, Like
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: shut the hell up, let me say my peace without
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: hearing word back from you.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: He at least said he sorry, But that's like a
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: when you talk to a little kid, say you're sorry,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, like it's like like you mean it, like okay.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: So this regarding the wheelchair, this man was in his seventies.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: It's old, but like not ancient.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: He was playing everyone again because when he rolled into
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: the courtroom in his wheelchair, it looks more like he
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: was one hundred years old and made people almost question
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: if he could even go through these court hearings. But
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: then they had footage of him in his jail cell
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: where he's doing some exercising. At one point he's like
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: crawling up on his bed and then crawling over to
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: the stink so that he can put some shit on
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: top of the lights to like dim his prison cell.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: So like one hundred percent playing everyone, because when he
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: gets wheeled in this motherfucker wheelchair looks just like old
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: of Sin and you think, holy heck. But then in
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: his jealou says he's completely different.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: That could have been his defense attorney though, too right,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: that could have been their their strategy. Well that guy
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: don't like either. Oh yeah, no kidding, don't. Don't get
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: me wrong here. I'm just saying, but you you you
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: went over some information that you told me about this case.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: I'm waiting for you to say it, and you haven't
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: said it yet. Oh really, I miss something about the
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: women getting together and like survivors of his rape and
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: talking about him and how he's got a micro dick.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Oh shit, he's got a little eighty bitty team.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: I didn't actually okay, the main source I used that
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: it wasn't in there. But yeah, that was something that
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: was was said a couple times that the victims almost
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: had comfort because this guy's dick is real small, like
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: micro small.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: He's got a micro penis.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: So, oh my gosh, I was like, what on earth
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: could I have told you that I missed? But yeah,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: that was actually information I thought you would enjoy it.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't a big piece of information you missed.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: It was a really small piece of information. So I
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: could see you skipping past that quite easily, not realized
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't even see it.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, So now, as always, this is only an hour
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: or so long podcast, So if you did want to
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: dive in a little bit deeper, there's a book written
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: by Michelle Macnerma or something titled I'll Be Gone in
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: the Dark, One Woman's obsess obsessive search for the Golden
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: State Killer. And I think it was actually Michelle that
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: was behind this Golden State Killer name too. Yeah, and
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: there's also an HBO documentary series also titled All be
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Gone in the Dark, so you could like really dive
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: in deeper. I actually this is one case I probably
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: would want to read that book because there's it's there's
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: a lot, it's a lot to it.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Well, then read it. I know, I want to start
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: reading more. I really hope this Joseph when he's in
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: prison gets laughed at in the showers for his micro penis.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: That's your hope that that's my hope that everyone just laughs. Well,
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: I feel like that he's probably not in any area
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: where there's other prisoners, because this guy would get killed
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: with what he's done, right.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for the miners and stuff. Yeah, and the rapes
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: and everything. M hm.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: So I can't see him ever being in another area
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: with another person or something bad would happen. Are some
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: would say it's.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Bad, some would others might not think it's so bad.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, So we'll see how long he lasts in there.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like really new. This was it's because
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: I mean even in twenty twenty, just last year is
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: when he was like officially sentenced, right, so.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Like a year ago. Wow, I didn't realize it was
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: that new. Holy crap. Well it's not new really at all,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: but it's just new. No, Yeah, that he's gotten caught.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So good job to like investigators for keep
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: going right and no kidding, for them to keep searching
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: for these motherfuckers because look like you eventually can find them.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: And if you want to maybe do your part, maybe
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: you know, give your DNA to ancestry dot com or
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: something now that we're plugging them. I don't know. I
• 54:41
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• 54:44
  Speaker 1: just maybe you might be helping out.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they might need that because this sort of
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: shit probably made it so that they got less people
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: submitting maybe, you know, but I mean, if you got
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: nothing to hide, go for it.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: So anyway, that is the case of the Golden.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: State Killer and his tiny dick and.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Is micro penis.
• 55:07
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• 55:11
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• 55:13
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• 55:25
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 55:26
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• 55:33
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