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59: Find Your Path w/Terry Yoffe · Harder Than Life

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  I'm Kelly Siegel and this is harder than life a podcast about self-love self-awareness business and health We tell outrageous stories and boil everything down to simple practical advice. You can start using today. Let's get living
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  Today we're in for a real treat. Terry Yaffe has years of life experience on us and is here to share her wisdom. And it happens to be her birthday. So I was on her extraordinary work podcast and her attention to detail is second to none. She's the mother I wish I had, but after getting to know her, might be more like a sister.
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  She should, why should we listen to her? She's an executive business coach, been in a 40 year marriage, has been a well-respected salesperson in two large media companies. In fact, started her own sales company. The question here is why hasn't, what hasn't Terry Alfi done? Welcome to the Heart and Life podcast and happy birthday. Thank you. Thank you so much. Well, I haven't done skydiving.
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  Well, I just see on Instagram, I saw a 104 year old lady did sky dove on her birthday and then a couple of days later passed away. So don't do it. We want you around. Can I even ask, you're so beautiful. I love the red. How old are you? I'm not going to say. You look fantastic. I am older.
• 1:28
  you know, what do they say? What does Craig say? You know, you're, you're whatever years young. And you know, what's great about it is every time I talk to you, it just, I get more educated. So I wish when I was a kid, I remember talking to my uncle who was older than me and, and, and I would blow everything off. They say, if you're 15 to 25 year old kid, listen to this.
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  Listen to us experienced people. We've made every mistake. So we're in for a treat. We're going to start right off with, since you are so wise, define happiness and success for the listeners. And remember, there's no right or wrong. It's your wisdom. I understand. After all the years of,
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  whatever I've done and as a young person, I never in a hundred million years, a stuttering young person with no confidence, no anything could get to where I got to. Um, and I think happiness is that to be something that you achieve within yourself.
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  I, I wish, and, and it could be your surroundings. However, I think what I've learned along my path in life, and it's been very circuitous is you have to find that happiness and success within yourself. And there's no getting away from that. Um,
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  I used to think when I worked and I was highly successful, for me, success was how much money I made because I didn't come from that. And that was a kind of a far away goal.
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  It was great, yet it didn't, I thought it did it for me, but it didn't. And as I've gotten older, you have to feel that in yourself. And I will say one thing.
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  and full transparency say, who is that person? I still can't identify with the person who has done that much. And only, you know, I'm 30, what can I say?
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  Five minutes in and you notice I just went quiet because I say that all the time, but you listeners are tired of hearing me. And I want to clarify a few things. You said when you used to work, that would be in corporate America. You are an executive coach working every day, helping out business executives, and you work all the time. And your website is trycoaching, it's T-R-Y, which is your initials, I believe, coaching.com.
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  So go check that out. There's if you're stuck in any way, shape or form, you're going to tell five minutes in. It's already frickin gem. So thank you so much. And I wanted to say happiness is an inside job. And that literally is what the harder than life mantra is all about. Look within. So, bam, five minutes in. I'm glad that you are on the show. Okay.
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  Could you share a notable success story or a challenging experience that shaped your professional growth since you just talked about who is that person? And don't be humble. You're being very humble. No. As I said, and here's just a little. I grew up in a mediocre environment.
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  We weren't rich, weren't poor. My mother worked and she was the breadwinner. And when I moved into the city, I couldn't wait to get out of Queens. That was my goal. I started working. I had no idea what I wanted to do.
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  My sister knew she wanted to be a teacher. I had no clue. I kind of went from job to job and got fired from several. And somehow, through some circuitous way, my first, I would say, big job.
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  was when I got to work at Women's Wear Daily. I had been in the fashion industry most of my life and it was a place to hide. I fit in, I looked great, but I had no idea who I was at all. And I met someone who said to me,
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  You know, I have an opening for a salesperson to have a territory, the New England territory. You know fashion. That's how she hired me. I had no sales experience. Yes, I had done a lot of fashion shows. I was in the public eye. I did PR for some companies.
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  but I had never done sales. And somebody else might've said, I don't know sales. I'm not, I'm not jumping on that platform. No way. But my life has always been, if something presents itself, what's the worst that can happen? I fall on my face and I took it. And I, I naturally.
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  fit in. Even though I didn't have sales experience, I found that people liked me. They liked doing business with me. And in the New England territory, it was great. I used to go up to Boston and Rhode Island and it was like a segue, almost like it was there all along.
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  All I had to do was to jump on that platform. And in three years, I took a $600,000 territory to a million three. And then it was time to leave because I wasn't really making the kind of money I wanted to make. And they made it difficult to make money. That was my first real success story.
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  I'm going to go back and recap that, but I got to remind everybody that your coaching company is called Tri Coaching. It's www.trycoaching.com. Go over and check it out because that was just fire already. On your website, you quoted Leo Tolstoy and saying, everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself.
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  And I have a follow-up question. Why is change so difficult? And how do you overcome that in the coaching business? In the what? In the coaching business, sorry. Oh, I have to go back to myself. Because if I didn't make the kind of changes I made to change who I was, I would never change.
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  be as good as I am. And, you know, my podcast is Extraordinary Work Conversations about creating change. I'm a firm believer in that. Whether you're young and especially older people who never feel they can make the changes, they get finished with their career, they retire, and then that's it. They're done.
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  And they go off to play golf, pickleball, canasta, mahjong, and don't realize that they can still have work ahead. I am an example of that. So in working with my clients, I'm very good at getting to the heart of where they are and what's going on. And whether it's advocating for themselves, how do they do that?
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  What does it take to create change within themselves if they're looking to change careers? I've changed careers many times. I change who I am all the time. And it's difficult. It is really difficult because the human mind,
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  is there to protect. That's its job, is to protect us from fears, fears of being hurt, fears of vulnerability. So to have to deal with the human mind is like going to battle, my personal opinion. And if you, and it's painful to change who, who is,
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  who you thought you were to becoming, not somebody different, but allowing what's there inside of you to come up and be seen and heard and developed. Oh, I just love you. You keep, I write down questions and that's what I'm looking, doing what I'm looking down and you answer them and you answer them.
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  The way that I've done all the research, all the content, everything I've taken in, I wrote down what's keeping people back, and I wrote fear, and then you talked about fear. And it's the familiar misery. I talk about it all the time. People, we've got these habits programmed in our mind, which you just said, and we just are on this merry-go-round and repeat.
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  And to go off and do something different. And I put a post up this morning about fear because it's Friday the 13th. I said, you know, what has fear ever done for us? And you put it so elegantly. What's the worst that can happen? We ain't going to die. So somebody laughs at you. Who cares?
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  Every single monumental thing I've done in my life, I went in scared to death. I had no clue what I was doing when I started my company. When I started National Technology Management, I had no idea what I was getting myself into. And I was scared to death. I didn't know where I was gonna get the rent or my mortgage money. And on the other side of that fear was growth and major growth. But most people won't. I say to myself, most won't, I will.
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  That's how I motivate myself. Most won't, I will. So you are a gem and I love you and thank you so much. And we're going to continue down this path because you're so full of wisdom. What, if you were, you were given 18 year old, one specific piece of advice, what would it be?
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  giving myself that advice you know i it can go either way i kind of like today because if there's an 18 year old that come let's just say that this an 18 year old hires you to be what advice to be a coach their coach what would advice would you give them because it's we're such different times now terry you and i grew up and i i know that i might be just a skosh younger than you just a skosh but we grew up
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  you know, tough it out, grit it out. And who cares? There's, you know, my parents were alcoholics. They were never around. There was nobody to whine to. And I'm sure that growing up in Queens, there was your mom who was working wasn't, oh, let me coddle you, little Terry. And that's what made you the badass that you are today. So what specific piece of advice would you give an 18-year-old today?
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  It's okay to stumble and fall as long as you get up. Come on. Jesus. You're great. Really, I did not have anyone giving me direction. It was like me walking in the dark almost.
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  way and that was seven years three times a week on an analyst couch to break down the walls that I didn't even know I had I had no idea um I would fall into traps all the time and I remember once asking my therapist
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  well, how come you don't tell me what to do? Because he's a good therapist. And he said, if I tell you what to do, you won't know what to do next time. Seven years, three times a week, chipping away at all of the goals that I had and realizing that
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  Being attractive and looking good wasn't the answer. And that's how I grew up. If you looked beautiful, if you looked great and you had great clothes, most of the people in my family were narcissists. So navigating that was a little difficult and not measuring up to their values and.
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  was difficult. So I would tell any 18-year-old, find your own path and go on it. Because too often, we live our lives through the eyes of someone else, our parents, primarily.
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  Well, not today. Now today it's all social media. Right. Well, right. Not then. And explore. Do whatever. Go to school if you choose to. If you don't, go to something else and find your path and walk it.
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  And if you don't like what's in the way, move it aside and find something else. Because today, social media, I didn't have it when I was younger, is all about people chiming in. How do they look? You know, are they thin? Are they fat? What should they be? What should they do? And you can get caught up in that nonsense.
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  and get lost. I just keep, if anybody's not watching, if they're listening to this, I just keep shaking my head. I just, you explained my life. I had to figure it out. There was nobody home to guide me. So I just had to keep falling down and getting back up, falling down and getting back up. And that builds up.
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  resilience that's going to come in handy because no matter how many times I fell, I got right back up because that was how I, that was survival for me. So yeah, that's harder than life. So thank you very much for, for explaining that. And that's, that's why you and I get along so well. What's the most important decision you've ever made in your life? One of the most
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  important decisions that changed the trajectory of my life was I was living at home. I never thought anyone would love me ever. I had a really low self image of myself, even though I looked great and dressed great. I had a very low image of myself and I went with somebody for a long time.
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  We got engaged, we were getting married, and he broke it off. My heart broke. However, instead of complaining, I took my money and went to Europe for two months. And that was the first time I was really away for any length of time. That was one thing. The next was a friend of mine had an apartment in New York.
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  And she had a vacancy. And she said, Terry, I have a vacancy. Before she finished, I said, I'm there. I'm coming. It was that moment when I left my home for X years and went to live in the city. That was the beginning of my growing up.
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  and really experiencing and doing. And I mean, I did a lot of stupid things, a lot. Yet, I found my way. I lived with her for a while. And then I got my own apartment, which is even better. I am really an introvert. Who had to learn how to be an extrovert. So that was definitely...
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  a turning point in my life. It sounds like you didn't love yourself. How did you learn to love yourself? Because that's what you said externally. You were beautiful and you didn't think. I didn't even know it. I think living in the city and finding my own way and my own strength was a way to start looking at myself, certainly through therapy and,
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  really looking at myself, not through the lens of my mother or anyone else and seeing I'm not so bad, you know, and it wasn't, it was the layers of, you know, and once you got rid of them, and even today, I'll sometimes get angry with myself.
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  But I think over the years, I realized that I was really a good human being, that I actually cared about people. And when you go down that road, you are definitely opening yourself to vulnerability.
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  Love it, to receive love, because what I'm hearing is the merry-go-round of not loving yourself, not thinking you're lovable, and then you block love, and you're not able to receive it. So it very resonates with me, too, because it's exactly what I'm going to do. I pick the wrong women over and over and over again, and then...
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  started loving myself and then everything kind of fell into place. Now I I've yet to find or love hasn't found me yet, but I'm still learning. I'm still figuring things out. Um, when did you figure it out? And, and how'd you get off of that merry-go-round? Um,
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  40 years marriage, remember everybody too. And by the way, when everybody's talking about city, it's New York City. You could hear the ambulance and fire truck in the background. So she is a New York City gal through and through, beautiful as can be. Thank you. I kept going back to the same guy. We went back and forth, right? Yeah.
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  Because I was holding on. Nobody else was going to love me. That's how I felt. So how'd you get over that? That's what people are going to want to hear. Because we all do it. It's there. For whatever the reason, in all my years of coaching, I think the one thread that goes through everybody is, I'm not good enough.
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  I'm not valuable. I'm not worthy. And that's a premise that a lot of people have. Oh, a lot. I mean, people are listening to this right now. I guarantee you this is people are shaking their head. This is why I wanted to have you on because we want to know what –
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  What do you teach people to get out? Cause so many, I bet you 90% of people feel the same way. If, as a matter of fact, if I said the things to you that I say to myself, even though I love myself, you wouldn't like me, but I'm really tough on myself. Really. Yeah, but you know what? That's not the you talking, that's what's up here talking. So you have to separate that. Um.
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  I started to find out about myself and the guy that I kept going back. I finally said, get lost. Not quite those words, but... How long did it take, by the way? Because I just... A long time. A long time. I was living in the city and it took a long time, but I finally got the courage to say, get lost. And he did. And...
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  I started going out and dating others, and it was great. And there came a time that I said, you know what? I'm not really interested in this whole dating game. And I stopped. And I think through therapy and doing the jobs that I did, I discovered me. I also did a Buddhist retreat.
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  which was absolutely amazing. Here's a New York City person going up to the San Cristobal Mountains of New Mexico, sleeping on a slab in a bus. You couldn't talk, it was a silent retreat. For how long? A week. And the bathrooms were not private. So you got to let go.
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  of all of the things and nonsense that we have. Everyone, you got up at 4.30, you meditated, everything was quiet, everything was serene. And you got to see that you could connect with people without talking. It wasn't, oh, hi, how are you? My name is blah, blah, blah, you know.
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  like we do. And I survived. And it was such an amazing experience because at the retreat was Joseph Goldstein, Jack Kornfeld, and Sharon Salzberg. They're all part of the Institute Meditation Society. I got to meet them, not meet them, but they talked every night and I
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  I came back and started to see my surroundings differently. And that was one of the experiences that I took myself on.
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  I love it. How old were you when you did this? And then also in relation to therapy, how old were you when you started therapy, the seven-year journey of therapy? When I was young. I'm not giving you eight years. Well, that doesn't matter. I'm only giving it for the listeners. I was in analysis for seven years. And when did you start? 21? I moved into the city. Yeah, in my 20s.
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  20s. Okay. Because I only want, because if there's a 30 something listening and they're thinking they still got time, it's like, get started. If you're thinking less than, and you think you've got all the time in the world. I just had a 30 year college reunion and I looked at the guys and I said, do you guys realize this 30 years ago now? And they went, holy, it feels like yesterday. It flies by. Yeah.
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  So I just wanted to, in reference, I'm not trying to figure out your age. So I started my journey of therapy and Buddhism after I moved into the city.
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  But that's the big break. That's the big thing that happened. And I just want to keep reiterating. I'm reading the Four Agreements companion book. And they're talking about detachment. And all you ever hear is surrender, detach, marry the process, divorce the outcome. But you just explained it. Literally, when you stopped trying, and I shouldn't say trying, forcing,
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  And please love me. Please love me. Please love me. Yeah. And you just let it happen. You met your now husband, right? I did. And where'd you meet him at? Tell that story. 40 years. I know. I honestly believe that there has always been something guiding me.
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  Come on, come on. You're just explaining my life. This is how I feel. You hear me on the calls with the family. I call myself the chosen one. Yes, but I do because every time a door closed, something opened. Something opened for me. And maybe it's because when I didn't have work,
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  I did whatever came along because I needed to make money to pay the rent and to take care of myself. So if one door opened, I said, sure. Another door opened, I said, sure. And yet I managed to survive in New York City.
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  Hold on. Survive and thrive. Right. Exactly. And I went from Women's Wear to Condé Nast, which is a big publishing company. And somebody tried to fire me at the magazine I was at. And they put me on probation. I didn't know that until they realized I was not the problem. She was. She was.
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  And I went on to be one of the major contributors for the category I was in, which was travel. And I got to travel the world, which was amazing. And I look back and think, I've had a great, great career. For somebody that had no clue
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  Somehow it came about. And my husband, I had a good friend. She passed away two years ago that I knew. And her husband's sister was married to my husband. And I knew who he was over the years. I knew who his kids were.
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  And he was in California, he moved back to New York, and my friend said, you know, Matt, you should connect with Terry. Maybe she can help you find an apartment. But we started dating, and it didn't quite go well. We kind of broke off, and then we got back together and got married in 83.
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  So I never thought I was going to get married. That was another thing. Because I kept picking men that were not available. Right? When you say not available, you mean emotionally available or just? This guy wasn't available, whatever the reason. I don't know. And another guy that I had a relationship with left his wife for me.
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  but he couldn't deal with it, he went back home. And that was really heart-wrenching. And I dated, and after a while I said, you know what, this doesn't do it for me. As I grew up, and I saw what was important, when I left Condé Nast, I left, because my husband had wanted me to start my own rep company, being a salesperson.
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  And I kept putting it off because I had the golden handcuffs. And I loved what I did. And then I said one day, you know, it's time to leave. And I did. So as I describe it, sorry. I got in my rowboat and I started to leave the shore. I didn't know what was going to be on the other side. But the further away I got,
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  am I making a mistake? Was this the right thing to do? And yet I, I started my own rep company and did really well because I had a great reputation. My clients really loved working with me. I'm sorry to interrupt. Was he your husband at the time or were you still dating? We were married. We were married. Um,
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  And he kept encouraging me because he's been in his own business for years. That's what I was trying to highlight was like, you went from someone who was mostly unavailable to someone who leaned into you and, and, and breathed into you. And it's almost. Ironically, I do believe on some very deep level. I never wanted to get married. I really believe that as I look back, I picked men that were not there.
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  So I have to look around and say, wait a second. There was some, after seeing how my parents lived and what I grew up with, I think on some deep level, I really never wanted to get married. No one wanted to have my own kids. I just realized that like a year ago.
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  And I'm seeing pictures of grandchildren behind you. So 40 years later, you pick the right person and the rest is history. So now what you should do is instead of executive coaching, you should really be a love, a romance coach or a dating coach. Oh, gosh. You figured it out. Oh, well, I guess so. It took a long time. However, when we got married,
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  I had one foot out the door for a very long time. What changed? I think that part of me that never wanted to get married kind of gave up. Do you think you gave up or do you think you healed it? I might have healed it and I might have told it to go away.
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  No, I'm gonna jump in. I think that you nailed it with your parents. You watched your parents and you had this negative connotation of marriage and you realized, oh, this is wrong. This is the magical lie that the ego is telling me in the head. And you meet this amazing guy and you were trying to repeat the cycle. And as you said, somebody was looking out for you and they didn't allow that to happen. And then boom, you meet the right guy and look what happened. So if you were offered a mulligan in life, what would you do over?
• 36:47
  Probably drop that freaking, that crutch a little sooner, huh? I wish I could say I would have gone on to do something other than what my path took me. I don't know what that would have been. I don't think a doctor or a lawyer. I don't know. I wish I had a different set of tools in my toolkit.
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  But I didn't. So I think this was the life that the universe chose for me. The challenges. And there were many. You know, I remember when the therapist said to me, you should come three times a week. I walked out of his office and thought. The only other thing that could have been worse is if somebody told me I had cancer.
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  which I did have years later, but I, and you know, people look at me today and think, Oh, wow. Look at you, look at everything you've done. However, they don't see what was behind that. And it was a,
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  It was shedding one skin for something else. I'm going to disagree with you. Since I've known you, I could see all of the work, all of the pain. It was in your bio before. It was the first thing that you talked about. So you still are wearing it like a badge of honor. And I would recommend as your friend to release it.
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  I still, I feel it. And you talk about it and it's what made you who you are today. And it's, it's your armor, but let it go because you've won. You have, do you feel it? I understand what you're saying. Yes, I do. And even though I, when I was young, I kind of went towards another path and what I grew up with.
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  I still can't believe that I've become who I've become. Good. The humility is very big. I think that you're amazing. I love to be on your podcast. You're what everybody should be. And you look behind you and you see those beautiful pictures and this beautiful family. And remember to focus on the gain and not the gap.
• 39:39
  And I know you're not doing that at all, but I'm just reminding the listener. So we're going to switch gears because we're getting up against it. We're 40 minutes in, and I got several more questions because I want to know this. This question I really want to know because I love the way your mind thinks. If you could have dinner with one person alive or dead, who would it be and why? I was looking forward to this. I figured for sure you'd have something paramount. Like, I don't know. Who would you have thought? I don't know. Maybe...
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  you know, now that we've just talked deep, I would think maybe go back to the guy who left you on the altar. You know, that would be fun. That would be interesting. But a lot of people are, you know, they're a mentor. Like you go back and have Jack Canfield or... I would love to have dinner with a Jack Kornfeld or Joseph Goldstein.
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  And listen to them talk about philosophies and, as you said, detachment. And that's a difficult one.
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  I love that. I love sitting in those uncomfortable, quote-unquote, difficult conversations. Because I know that I'm growing. It's akin to me going to the gym and feeling how a workout hurts. I know that my muscles are getting bigger. So this is another question I was so looking forward to hearing you answer. And I should have sent these to you ahead of time. Sorry to put you on the spot. If you could create...
• 41:24
  This one is going to hit home with what's going on in the world today. So I'm going to throw this. We're not going to get into it because it's a political thing. But if you could create one universal law, what would it be and why? Everyone might have differences in life. We all do. However, if everyone could find a way to respect people,
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  each other, even with the differences, and figure out how that respect could rise above the hate, the anger, the rage, and what keeps people from holding onto it.
• 42:24
  If I could preach that and wave a magic wand, that's what I think I would do. What you're saying is compassion. I agree. Yeah. I just, you know, what people don't realize, and I say this a thousand times, is we need both wings to fly. So if we tear one off, we're going to crash. And it's a balancing act. So,
• 42:52
  I get it. Tell us something that you believe in and almost no one agrees with you on. I have to go back to creating change. A lot of people don't. The premise of my podcast was the opportunity to speak to people like you and a lot of others that have found a way through
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  dense fog, if you will, to create change in their lives. Because if you don't create change, on whatever level it is you're thinking, you're not, you might not be able to help heal the world.
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  In your corner of the world. It's very, I mean, I did the podcast out of my own creating change. And it's so near and dear to me.
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  I always say impossible and describes the degree of difficulty. And if I can change anybody can, because I grew up in impossible circumstances. And the harder than life mantra is to inspire, to model and to educate the behaviors and habits and rituals.
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  To change the world. That's what this is about. And you start with changing. That's why I highlighted that thing. Everyone thinks of changing the world. But no one thinks of changing himself. And I'm changing myself. I changed everything about myself. And I'm still changing. I don't recognize who I was a year ago. Eight months ago this podcast started. I'm not the same guy. Not even the same guy. I've learned so much from people like you. So thank you. Well, thank you. What's your biggest fear?
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  dying without completing my journey. What's your journey? Is to keep reaching people who want to create change to, to be a, you know, my husband has three daughters and I have grandchildren because of them and to keep modeling to them about growing.
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  and being good human beings in this world. Because the more people that we can touch with being human and being a human being, I think will help mitigate the craziness. I personally believe,
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  that God looked down or universe looked down and said, what has happened to this world and has rained holy terror on us. So my grandmother was like my mother and I've had so many conversations like this with her. She's no longer here. She would be rolling in her grave about what's going on.
• 46:26
  I enjoy these conversations with you very, very immensely. And thank you for, for coming out of being vulnerable and, and honest and, and just it's, we need more people like you. I enjoy this. What tell us something. Oh no, I know what it is. Is there something I haven't asked you that you feel compelled to share? Actually, ironically, when I got, when,
• 46:56
  Craig got in touch with me. I don't know how we connected. He talked to me about joining CLS. I thought, nah. You know, been there, done that. I have many more years. There is so much I've done and experienced. What do I need this for? However, I took it as a trial. And then I signed up. And I have to say,
• 47:27
  Don't fall back on your chair. I think the two people that inspire me are you and Craig. I'm, you know. Okay, thank you. Sorry. I didn't expect that. I'm humble. Neither did I. In joining, I've met so many wonderful people, yet.
• 47:58
  Even though I tease you about every day being there with your cup of coffee and no shirt. I can't do that. And I never in a million years would have thought two young people, men, would inspire me. So Craig in a different way.
• 48:28
  I feel inspired. I now try to do a video, a bone video every day because I have to keep up with Kelly. You know, I have some health issues. So going to the gym is difficult for me at times, but when I go, I'm going because Kelly goes all the time. So it's just ironic.
• 48:58
  that two young people can inspire me. That's a lot to say.
• 49:09
  Well, we, I received that and, and, you know, I still struggle with receiving love and I feel the love and I thank you. And, um, it's two seagulls and, and Craig speaks the world of you, by the way, because we speak, Craig speaks the world of you. He, he and I speak every day. He, that's who I was on the phone with when we were going, we talked multiple times a day. We were that close.
• 49:33
  And, you know, maybe he'll listen to this and we'll come up with an idea of the two of us doing something together. And I really do believe that we're going to do something about the seagull and seagull and try to inspire the world because that's what this is all about. Open the deli, seagull and seagull.
• 49:51
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• 50:21
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