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Normally Podcast: Nikole Hannah-Jones’ School Experiment, Trump at the UN & Gen Z Growing Pains · Normally

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, we are back on Normally the Show with
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  Speaker 3: Why not? All right. What's going on today? I want
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  Speaker 3: to just tell you, my brother who lives in New
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  Speaker 3: York called me while driving and said, is something going
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  Speaker 3: on at the UN today? And I just, you know, I,
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  Speaker 3: I'm married to one of these people and my brother
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  Speaker 3: is one of these people. And I'm just like, how,
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  Speaker 3: how do you live in a world where you don't know?
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  Speaker 2: Like it's.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'm jealous, frankly.
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  Speaker 1: He lives in a world where he was not aware
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  Speaker 1: that all world leaders were coming to the vicinity of
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  Speaker 1: his home and work this week.
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  Speaker 4: Yep, yep.
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  Speaker 3: And he was stuck in traffic because of it. So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you win some, you lose some. I often
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  Speaker 3: say that my husband is like in the best version
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  Speaker 3: of La La Land where he never heard any of
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  Speaker 3: the stuff that we talk about. And he's so happy
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  Speaker 3: and joyful and just living his life. And my brother
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  Speaker 3: is very similar in this way.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's nice to be that kind of person
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  Speaker 1: where we can give a sprinkling of the news, but they.
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  Speaker 2: Get most of it through memes, which is a more
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  Speaker 2: joyful way to engage.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Well, Trump is at the U.N. General Assembly
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  Speaker 1: this week. Marco Rubio is joining there. We always like
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  Speaker 1: to see him as the right man. And I just
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  Speaker 1: want to give a list of the things that the
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  Speaker 1: White House previewed would be going on this week. He
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  Speaker 1: Trump should have a meeting with Delce Rodriguez, the interim president.
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  Speaker 1: head of Venezuela. Xi Jinping is in town and he
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  Speaker 1: will have a state dinner. We can talk about the
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  Speaker 1: implications of all that and the welcoming at the White
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  Speaker 1: House and such. But he'll be talking to him and
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  Speaker 1: also buttering him up possibly for avenues.
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  Speaker 2: To talk to North Korea.
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  Speaker 1: He's mad at the teleprompter and the escalator staffing from
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  Speaker 1: last year still.
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  Speaker 2: So he'll probably be dealing with them. There's a Denmark
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  Speaker 2: deal over Greenland that has been finalized.
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  Speaker 1: And just the least of these is that the Saudis,
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  Speaker 1: the UAE, the Qatari, Bahrain, Kuwait, Omanis and the Iranians
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  Speaker 1: will be around for chatting.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Not to mention, I mean, this is a very minor point,
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  Speaker 3: but he dipped into Gracie Mansion to meet up with
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  Speaker 3: Mayor Mamdani for some reason.
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  Speaker 2: So he did. He's a busy, busy guy, that guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he doesn't really take anything off his plate,
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  Speaker 1: even when he should, like a Mamdani visit.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't like that at all. I mean, at all.
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  Speaker 2: I don't get it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't understand why he would do it. I think
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  Speaker 3: it hurts Bruce Blakeman, who's running for governor and trying
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  Speaker 3: to tie Kathy Hochul to Mamdani. Hard to do that
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  Speaker 3: when the president and leader of his own party is
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  Speaker 3: chilling with Mamdani. So Really didn't like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's possible at least Stefanik read the
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  Speaker 1: tea leaves on that. But and decided not to go
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  Speaker 1: up against it. I think Mamdani is very clever. He's likable.
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  Speaker 1: He does exactly what Democrats should have done in 2017,
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  Speaker 1: which would have gotten them a lot out of a
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  Speaker 1: then President Donald Trump who was not ideological, as we
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  Speaker 1: over and over say.
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  Speaker 3: Right. That would have been very smart. And Mamdani is
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  Speaker 3: playing it really smart. And I hate that. I hate
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  Speaker 3: that the socialist mayor is playing our president really smart.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't like it at all.
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  Speaker 1: Cute socialists doing cute things on social media are dangerous
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  Speaker 1: for the country.
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  Speaker 3: Don't like it at all.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Well, while Trump was there, he did give
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  Speaker 1: a speech that touched on Iran.
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  Speaker 2: So we should play a little bit of that and
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  Speaker 2: hear what he had to say.
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  Speaker 4: I have a big decision to make. Will a deal
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  Speaker 4: be made with Iran? that lets them rebuild and create
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  Speaker 4: a far greater country than it ever was before, maybe
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  Speaker 4: one of the greatest in the Middle East or even
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  Speaker 4: the world? Or do I annihilate the Islamic Republic and
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  Speaker 4: do it quickly, never giving them a chance to kill
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  Speaker 4: and destroy people and countries again? Do I drive them
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  Speaker 4: into hell with no chance of survival and no hope
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  Speaker 4: of future greatness or generations? But I believe we'll make
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  Speaker 4: a deal right after the election, because it doesn't make
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  Speaker 4: sense for them not to. They're waiting to see how
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  Speaker 4: I do in the midterm election. What they don't realize
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  Speaker 4: is that I'm not running. I did that already and
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  Speaker 4: won in a landslide. We won in a giant landslide.
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  Speaker 4: And I'll be here for two and a half years.
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  Speaker 4: The Republican Party is running, and I'll be helping them.
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  Speaker 2: But I am not running.
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  Speaker 4: I gave absolutely no credence and will not give credence
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  Speaker 4: to the election when it comes to Iran. It doesn't
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  Speaker 4: even enter my mind. The only thing that does is
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  Speaker 4: that Iran will never have a nuclear weapon. The cowards
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  Speaker 4: and traitors.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. Can I just say I believe him about
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  Speaker 3: the election? I think it does not enter his mind
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  Speaker 3: at all.
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  Speaker 2: I fully agree. believe it. I see it.
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  Speaker 3: I have generally supported what this administration has done on Iran.
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  Speaker 3: I have not supported the back and forth. We're going
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  Speaker 3: to kill you. We're not going to kill you.
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  Speaker 2: Deal. We're going to kill you. Let's make a deal.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to kill you.
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  Speaker 2: Let's make a deal.
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  Speaker 3: But I believe him when he says he's not looking
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  Speaker 3: to the election to make decisions about Iran. Now, having
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  Speaker 3: said that, the elections are coming. The gas prices are high.
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  Speaker 3: Iran remains this unstable, part of the world. We don't
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  Speaker 3: know what's going to happen with gas prices. So, you know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe look to the elections just like a touch.
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  Speaker 1: See, I think I'm on the opposite side of you
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  Speaker 1: where I think he does think about the elections and
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  Speaker 1: has done it too often with particularly with gas prices.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's what gets in his head.
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  Speaker 1: It's not necessarily the election or the or the Iranians
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  Speaker 1: as much as it is liking to make a deal
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  Speaker 1: and being upset about the gas price. Now, that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean your long term vision is not worthy of The
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  Speaker 1: thing that I think would help is that if he
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  Speaker 1: truly doesn't care about the midterms versus this thing, which
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  Speaker 1: is very dangerous to the world and got applause for
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  Speaker 1: the no nukes for Iran, which was nice. He should
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  Speaker 1: make that case forcefully. And I wish he would do
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  Speaker 1: that more often. But I do appreciate him. taking this
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  Speaker 1: tack and doing it in front of the Iranians. Like,
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  Speaker 1: you think this is going to bump me and it's not.
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  Speaker 3: They pan to Iran, like sitting there, not that happy
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  Speaker 3: about it. Yeah, he's saying it. He's saying it right
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  Speaker 3: to their faces. Today, as we're recording this, Iran's president
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  Speaker 3: took the stage at the U.N., accused U.S. and Israel
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  Speaker 3: of lawless attacks. Massoud Pesachian said Iran was open to
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  Speaker 3: diplomacy to end the war but would never accept limits
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  Speaker 3: on its civilian nuclear program. His speech came a day
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  Speaker 3: after President Trump used the U.N. stage to threaten to, quote,
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  Speaker 3: annihilate Iran. That's all according to The New York Times. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I can imagine that they're not happy about his rhetoric.
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  Speaker 3: I just think you can't continue with that kind of rhetoric.
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  Speaker 3: It's like the parent who keeps threatening to punish the
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  Speaker 3: kid but never actually punishes the kid.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: The kid gets it and the kid starts acting up
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  Speaker 3: and knowing that there'll be no consequences. And I think
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  Speaker 3: that's where Iran is right now. They're pretty sure there's
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  Speaker 3: not going to be any consequences.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and by the way, any Iranian official who says
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  Speaker 1: our civilian use of nuclear energy, you can also find
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  Speaker 1: that same Iranian official speaking his native language, saying yes
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  Speaker 1: to America. Actually, we want to use this to kill
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  Speaker 1: all the Jews and also Americans.
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  Speaker 3: So it always works out that way.
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  Speaker 2: You can you can put those clips next to each other.
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  Speaker 2: They are not to be trusted. And I hope the
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  Speaker 2: president does not trust them when he talks to them
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  Speaker 2: this week. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: What else is going on?
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  Speaker 2: Well, Trump is fighting with the press again.
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  Speaker 1: This time by saying he was going to cut at
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  Speaker 1: least one outlet, maybe a handful from press pools. And
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  Speaker 1: the White House Correspondents Association groups got together, I think,
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  Speaker 1: as they should, and fought for each other and said, no,
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  Speaker 1: you're not supposed to do that, sir.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I would like to stipulate that this is not
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  Speaker 2: without precedent. Yes, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: It's so hard to get like super worked up about this.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's wrong.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's bad.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's stupid. But I think it's happened before.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, because Obama, despite his just this week revisionism where
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: he very smugly was like, can you imagine? Right.
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  Speaker 2: I could imagine.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we can imagine it because you tried to do
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  Speaker 1: it to Fox.
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  Speaker 2: They regularly called Fox not a real outlet. They did
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  Speaker 2: exclude them from certain pools.
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  Speaker 1: They literally used the federal government to spy on James Rosen.
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And and call his parents, I think his parents. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: All of these things were done under Obama. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And James Rosen is not like this far right, you know,
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  Speaker 3: crazy person. He's like a regular moderate journalist.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Just a normal journalist.
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  Speaker 1: So, yes, that having been said, the idea that you
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  Speaker 1: have to cut CNN and MSNOW from the pool for, quote,
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  Speaker 1: national security, which is what the administration is offering as
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  Speaker 1: their reason in court, because they can't say we're cutting
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  Speaker 1: them because we don't like them, even though that's what
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  Speaker 1: Trump said. He gives away the game. They will likely
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  Speaker 1: lose that, I would guess. You can restrict the press
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  Speaker 1: in certain ways, but this national security reason doesn't seem
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  Speaker 1: to fly. And also, the outlets that said they would
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  Speaker 1: boycott him, one of them ended up at the General Assembly.
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  Speaker 1: So here's Trump greeting CNN at the U.N. General Assembly
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  Speaker 1: while they're doing the job that they said they kind
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  Speaker 1: of weren't going to do.
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  Speaker 4: So it's an honor to be here. I'm surprised that
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  Speaker 4: CNN is here covering me. You shouldn't be here. You
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  Speaker 4: should not be here covering me. You said you weren't
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  Speaker 4: going to cover me. You shouldn't be covering me. But
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  Speaker 4: I will tell you, it is an honor to be
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  Speaker 4: at the United Nations, and we're making a lot of progress.
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  Speaker 4: Our country is doing really, really well. Thank you very much, everybody.
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  Speaker 3: Settle the war.
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  Speaker 2: They should all be here.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He loves them. He loves them.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, I think they're actually his favorite.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I also think perhaps part of the motivation for
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  Speaker 1: going to Gracie Mansion and doing... the presser that Mamdani suggested,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, because Mamdani's clever, was Trump suddenly being like, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know what? If they're going to boycott, I would
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  Speaker 2: like to be on TV some more.
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  Speaker 1: Which, just as a, without the moral part or the
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  Speaker 1: First Amendment part of this, it's disadvantageous for Trump not
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  Speaker 1: to be on TV and accessible.
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  Speaker 2: And some part of him knows this. Crazy.
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  Speaker 3: At this point, somebody, I don't remember who tweeted this,
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  Speaker 3: but it was like, basically saying that this is red
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  Speaker 3: meat for the base and he's playing his old hits again.
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  Speaker 3: But who is like, yeah, he got rid of CNN
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  Speaker 3: and MSNBC and Politico or whatever, MSNOW. Who is like,
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  Speaker 3: I like him more because of this. This is what
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  Speaker 3: I voted for. I mean, again, there are things that
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  Speaker 3: he does that I think are effective and useful. And
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  Speaker 3: there are things that he does that I think are
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  Speaker 3: pointless and stupid. And this is in the pointless and
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  Speaker 3: stupid category for me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Agree.
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  Speaker 1: The last thing going on is that President Xi Jinping
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  Speaker 1: will arrive as we're.
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  Speaker 2: Taping this, actually.
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  Speaker 1: He's expected to get a greeting from Trump on the tarmac.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: There will be all sorts of honors going on, which
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  Speaker 1: I'm a little not necessarily a fan of. I understand
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  Speaker 1: that he's going to try to get things out of them,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't think we need to be feeding them
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  Speaker 1: in quite this way.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like, look, one side of me thinks that's
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  Speaker 3: the leadership. You have to kind of welcome them. OK,
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  Speaker 3: like we have to have some relationship with China. The
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  Speaker 3: other part of me thinks he is far too warm
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  Speaker 3: to people like this. And I just don't know what
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  Speaker 3: to make of it because China's not our friend. And
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: he ran on China not being our friend.
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  Speaker 2: Remember China? Like it was it was a whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: One other thing I wanted to actually mention that he
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  Speaker 3: said in his UN speech that I failed to mention
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  Speaker 3: when we were talking about it just a second ago
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  Speaker 3: is that he called on all countries to leave the
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: International Criminal Court, which I loved. This was like probably
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  Speaker 3: my favorite part of the speech. He said, It is
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  Speaker 3: equally unacceptable that with all the genuine atrocities in the world,
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: the UN's top human rights officials spend their time criticizing
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  Speaker 3: the United States for protecting our children from transgender mutilation
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: and transgender insanity and enforcing our immigration laws. I think
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  Speaker 3: the ICC is an abomination and it should absolutely be.
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  Speaker 1: As a scam organization that inverts morality at every possible chance.
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  Speaker 3: All right. Let's take a short break and be right
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  Speaker 3: back with more on Normally. we are back on normally
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  Speaker 3: where it was really unfair that Nicola Hannah Jones, uh,
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  Speaker 3: published her piece about sending her daughter to failing schools
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  Speaker 3: while I would be off for Yom Kippur. I couldn't
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  Speaker 3: write anything on it. I, although I do have a
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  Speaker 3: piece coming out, um, on the Fox news website, probably
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: as you're listening to this is probably up already, but
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: I was dying to say something on it. And, uh,
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: you guys did a great job. You and Erica, I
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: really enjoyed your conversation. Um, I think the only thing,
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: and you guys touched on this also, but I wanted
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: to just say that the thing that I feel like
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: is being missed in a lot of this is it
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: was specifically the policies of Nicole Hannah-Jones and people like
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  Speaker 3: her that led to the problems at a lot of
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  Speaker 3: these schools. I think that actually what she says is
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  Speaker 3: fairly racist and classist, where people who are You know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe lower income and black can't have sane, healthy schools.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that that's a not true. And Success Academies,
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  Speaker 3: which is a charter network in New York City, proves
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  Speaker 3: it every day with the exact same demographics that she's
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  Speaker 3: talking about. But she has always pushed for progressive policies
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  Speaker 3: in schools. Here they are. Here they are. Take a
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  Speaker 3: good look. They haven't worked.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: This is your experience of it.
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  Speaker 1: She also just can't she can't name the culprit because
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  Speaker 1: she's at all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right. It just still has to be the segregation that's
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  Speaker 1: the problem.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And like, as you said, she opposed the exact kind
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  Speaker 1: of school that her child is now finding.
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  Speaker 2: A path in.
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  Speaker 1: New York has and had an even cooler system where
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  Speaker 1: there was more there were more tests in schools. Has
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  Speaker 1: this nice feature because they were trying to keep smart
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: middle and upper class kids and smart kids from any
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  Speaker 1: area in the system.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And they wanted to give them these opportunities to get
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: into these specialized schools. My district didn't have that as
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: a kid. It was either public. It was private school,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: which we couldn't afford, or it was 90 percent black students.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: school in a low-income neighborhood. That's where we were. And
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: so I didn't have that path. And instead, our analogous
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: situation was that, and that Nicole Hannah-Jones would have tried
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: to abolish, was the gifted and talented program inside those schools,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: which was a refuge for Black, white, Asian, Hispanic kids
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: from the chaos of the regular system. And then you'd
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: be in a separate program. But she doesn't want that.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: She wants everyone to be In a lower level.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Also, at one point in her piece, a very bright
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: black student that she knows is preparing for a test
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: for these schools to get into one of these schools.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: And she ends up not taking the test. She ends
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: up just filling the bubbles in at random. And Nicole
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Hannah-Jones's point is like, well, you know, sometimes you don't
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: want to see yourself not succeed. And so you do
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: stuff like this. But she was the one who said
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: that testing was bad in the first place. She was
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: the one who said that these kinds of tests can't
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: measure anything. So, of course, the people in her orbit
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: end up believing the same thing. Like, I couldn't possibly
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: do well on this test because this test is not
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: for me.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: The fact is, this test is.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: For you if you go to a normal school that
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: prepares you in a normal way. And that was not
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: the type of schools that Nicole Hedda-Jones sent her daughter to.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: The fact that her daughter recognized this, I have to
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: admit that I don't think I would recognize it at
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: that age. I don't believe that I would have looked
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: around and been like, wait a minute, my school's not
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: that good. I really think maybe I would see the
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: behavior problems, but would I notice that my algebra is
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: not where it's supposed to be? I'm not so sure.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what led her to this discovery is
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: that she's researching other schools she could go to and
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: she realizes, oh, my gosh, look at the data on
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: my school.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: I found that part about the smart student who just
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: disregarded the test to be so depressing because she's. reinforcing
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: this worldview that is, yes, you can't succeed at this
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: test when in fact that child, had she not decided
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: to just give up on the test.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Might have succeeded on the test. Same with her daughter,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: who she didn't, my understanding is, inform that she could test.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: other places. And then when she was informed, her daughter also.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Internalized this idea that, well, nobody passes those from our place,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: so therefore we can't do it.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: It's like, yes, that's actually what it's for.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: It's specifically for you to take. to get out of
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: the place that you're in if you're qualified. And the
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: other thing is, so that's for the good students and
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: the highly high achieving students.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: And then she talks about.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: You know, going to the lunchroom and it's chaos and
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: the nobody's enforcing bad behavior. And her daughter complains about
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: disruptive students in class. And she says it's good educational
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: practice to keep those kids in class and just redirect them.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: No, it's not. No, it's not.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Because you're looking at the result and your daughter's not
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: learning because of those disruptive kids. What if you took
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: the disruptive kids out of the classroom and that was
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: the policy? What if you didn't live some ideological daydream
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: where it's okay to have these disruptive kids in class
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: and the kids who are not disruptive actually get to learn?
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: And then you can put them, by the way, with
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: people who have specialty training to deal with very tough
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: behavioral problems because that's a real thing that's happening. And
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: it's not easy for teachers to deal with. And what
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: ends up happening because of restorative justice, and I hear
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: it from all of my friends who have kids in
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: public schools here as well, is that, again, the morality
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: and the blame end up being inverted and the kids
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: who are doing the job end up carrying the load,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: having to renegotiate boundaries with kids who are disruptive and
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: sometimes abusive on a regular basis. And it just takes
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: away from classroom time and it's a bad result for everyone.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: That's right. It makes no sense.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: They are rewarded for that behavior.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: And it just.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Again, if I had a bunch of ideas and my
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: ideas hit reality and failed across the board, I would
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: rethink my ideas. I can't understand this inability to say
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: it was actually my policies that led to these schools
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: being terrible. And then I put my daughter in these
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: schools because I believe that my ideology trumped reality. You
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: got to face that reality.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: And I guess I have trouble understanding how you write
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: this entire thing without a mea culpa that's like, hey,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: I might I let a bunch of their parents into
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: this decision making process. I didn't do the thing that
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I advertised I could do for this school, which was
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: she thought her presence would change this school on its own, apparently.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: And her her quote was on a panel that a
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: New York Times education reporter writer wrote. Her kid being
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: at that school would effing change that school and she
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: could get stuff dealt with whenever she wanted. And that
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: wasn't the case at all. The reason that wasn't the case, A,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: she didn't seem to be rallying a bunch of people
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: to change things.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: But B, it's.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Because they are totally insulated from accountability. And the reason
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: they are is one, teachers and two, intellectuals like Nicole Hannah-Jones,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: who will make excuses for them, which is what she
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: does in this piece.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: I have never been so privileged as to imagine that
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: my very presence somewhere at a school or something, my
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: just being there would simply improve the place. I don't
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: know what that's like.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that isn't usually how it works. I'm glad her
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: daughter seems to be doing well now. I'm glad the
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: place exists where she can do well that Nicole Hannah-Jones
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: tried to destroy. I regret that her daughter is the
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: center of this national discussion, but that was not Me,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: who did that. And I wish her the best because
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like she clocked this a lot better than
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Nicole Hannah-Jones has.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: I'll just say one more thing. People are wondering why
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: it would be that she would write this kind of piece. Like,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: why would she expose herself like this? And I think
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: it was my guess is that someone had found out
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: that her daughter goes to a school with screens and
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: maybe they were going to.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Write about it.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Maybe they were going to talk about it. And she
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: couldn't have that. And the funny thing is, there's so
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: many politicians who oppose, again, these screens. And they sent
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: their own kids, of course, to schools that have screens,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: like the incoming congressman, likely Congressman Brad Lander or Bill
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: de Blasio. They sent their kids to screen schools and
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: then fought to end screens for everybody else. So I
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: think that's where I think she was just afraid of
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: being caught out as being a hypocrite and wanted to
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: get ahead of it.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I agree with you.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I think this was a preemptive story that she dropped
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: because she was going to have to answer for this
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: at some point.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: And also, I know, I know, I've done it here.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I know I complain sometimes about having to learn seventh
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: grade math again. But what a blessing that my child
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: is being asked to do hard work, that I know
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: where she is. I know how I can help her.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I have to learn to do that. She has to
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: learn to do that. That's the name of the game, man.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I don't understand how it got to as late as
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: it did in her daughter's education before she noticed any
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: of this.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wild.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: The other big insane story today is a lesbian bar
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: in Massachusetts has decided to drop their mask mandate. No,
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: you didn't just accidentally spiral into 2020. It is 2026
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: and this lesbian bar in Massachusetts was making people mask up,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: and they wanted to have one night of mask optional,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: and that did not go well for them.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: No, the comments are on the original post. This is
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: for one night a week, unmasked. You've just decided that
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: disabled people's lives are debatable, and that's fine. It's pretty
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: typical of white leftists. Being in community requires tolerating discomfort.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: The cost of not masking for many is lifelong disability
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: via long COVID. It goes on and on with including
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: one person saying, I hope you get firebombed for having
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: made this decision.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: That seems like a reasonable response to mask optional in 2026.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, a lot of people are goofing on this,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: as they should. It's kind of a piece of art,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: this reporting from the Boston Globe, and I appreciate it.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Because they eventually have a meeting at the bar. And,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: of course, a lot of people can only join via
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Zoom because of their various disabilities.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: And they have this meeting.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: And there's one person over Zoom, of course, of questionable
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: gender identity saying just the wildest things to these people
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: and bullying the mess out of this poor lady who
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: started a bar and it has spiraled into this.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: And I did hate to watch someone subject themselves to this.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: to that. Like the she, they on the news.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: You're really just too nice. I know. That's what we
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: discover on normally is a Mary Catherine Hamm is a
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: big softie. Cause I am like, lady, you asked for this.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: You asked for this.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Like, how did you let masking go on for so long?
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Mandatory masking.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Are you crazy?
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's, that's the answer, but she's like
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: in debt now. And these people are just berating her.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: And my, my point being, um, Y'all don't.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Have to do that. We don't have to be.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Following the dictates of the very clearly disordered people who
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: demand this kind of treatment.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Like, you could just have a bar. You could just
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: do it. You could just do things. They're bullies.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: We're going to take a short break and be right
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: back with more on Normally.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, we are back on Normally with some more life
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: advice with Carol and MK for the youngs. This is
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: a story from the New York Times called Home from
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: College Two Weeks Later. Subhead, dozens of videos on social
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: media feature freshmen moving out early in the semester. It
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: tells the story, it opens with the story of a
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: woman who's at Southern University in Louisiana from her home
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: in Vegas, and that she began having trouble with her
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: new life on campus because of the ample walking, which
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: aggravated her health issues, and she didn't feel safe commuting
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: to her job on campus. And one night she decided
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: to join friends for an off-campus party. Quote, I had
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: never really been to a party and I really just
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: did not like it at all. I got really fed
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: up with everything. And then she texted her mom and
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: went home after two weeks.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Ma'am, I just, you know, I've told this story maybe
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: on here. I went to college recently. I like picked
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: it kind of at random because my best friend was
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: going to Boston University. I decided to go to Northeastern
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: across town. So I went to school. Basically, I moved
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: with my best friend to Boston. And then my high
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: school boyfriend followed me to college. So the three of
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: us spent freshman year hanging out all the time and
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: not making any friends during the most pivotal time. When
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: they did not come back for sophomore year, I was
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: all by myself and everybody already had friend groups.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: I wanted to go home.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: I wanted to go home. And my parents were like,
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Are you insane?
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: No, you're not going home. Keep trying.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Keep going. And I did.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: And it was amazing. Two weeks is too short. It's
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: too short. There are situations where you should move on. Fine.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Cut bait if it's not working for you. Two weeks
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: ain't it.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Because you went to a bad party. I mean, you
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: got to go to some bad parties.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: It's college.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: And some of the commentary in here is like, you know,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: they're not weak.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: And it's like, well, I don't know if two weeks
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: is all you can do.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I do think there's an element where you need to
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: be a lot stronger than this.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: And I know what's going to come for you next
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: that won't bother you. Same with you. I didn't have friends.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Freshman year at school because I went to a school
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: where I didn't know anybody. And it would take like...
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: wild horses to drag this story out of me if
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I had done it.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Now, was I uncomfortable?
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: I worked out a bunch. I studied a bunch. I
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: got a job.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I eventually found my people. In the meantime, I did
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: think about transferring to UNC, which was closer to home.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: And thank goodness I.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Decided not to because I had the time of my
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: life at UGA, but it took muscling through that.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine yourself in blue?
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Oh, no. Crazy.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, really, red is my color. I'm a winter.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: So it worked out nicely for me instead of powder blue.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: No Tennessee orange for you.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: No, not good.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: All the oranges are out of the question. But I just,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: it makes, again, I'm a softie. This makes me sad
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: for these people. I want to grab them by the
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: lapels if they wore blazers.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: I don't think they do.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: And tell them your life can be better.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But this is the ongoing thing where this Gen Z,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: and I know this is said about every generation. I
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: remember writing about millennials being lazy. Like I remember this,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: you know, every generation gets it. But I do think
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: that Gen Z is just in its own class of like,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: I cannot be even momentarily uncomfortable. It probably is the phones, right?
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: If you are uncomfortable, you look at your phone and you,
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: and that's what you do. And if you're at a
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: party and you're staring at your phone, you become the weird,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: awkward person.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Um, so I think Gen.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Z is just in a bad place and I, I
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: have to blame their parents. And I think that might
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: be Gen X. So I don't know that we're, uh,
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: We're getting off here without any kind of penalty. Our
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: next story that we're going to touch on is there's
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: this question of is it OK for Gen Z when
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: they're interviewing for jobs to bring iced coffee into their
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: job interviews? And it's like, obviously, it's not OK.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: No, it's a huge discussion. It looks like an adult
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: sippy cup.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: When I told the story to my kids, my middle
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: son was like, no, I'll just bring a water bottle.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: I'm like, don't bring anything.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: You can just not hydrate for 45 minutes.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: And they just don't know that.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: They're like, but I bring a water bottle everywhere. I
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: have to bring my giant Stanley cup to my job interview. Right.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think anything where you have to like
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: you know, use and implement is out of the question
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: for a job interview. You want to be focused on that. Also,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: when you go to a job interview, often you're going
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: to be offered a beverage. Right.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Take that water if you want, you know.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: But here's the thing.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: And this is what always happens in these comment sections.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: It evolves into the most insane worst case scenario situations
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: like my blood sugar can't possibly last five minutes.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: And it's like, Mostly it can, guys. It really, really can.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: And your quote-unquote disability where you can't sit without an
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: iced coffee for 25 minutes to an hour is.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Mostly up here in the head. Yeah, absolutely. But it's
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: also like.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: you know, it's a social skill that you need to
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: be taught. And I get that they're not being taught.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: One of the tweets, because there's so many good ones
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: about the iced coffee debate, but one of the tweets was,
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: social skills matter. We one time passed on a candidate
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: for ordering cookies with milk at the post-interview steakhouse lunch.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: After the other five at the table declined dessert. Could
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: never let him be in front of clients, so no offer.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: The count is surrealist ship on X. I sent this
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: to my kids and even my daughter, who I think
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: is the most socially adept one, was like, why can't
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: I have dessert at lunch? I'm like, you can. It's
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: just if nobody else is, then you're not either. Even
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: if you order and then it goes around the table
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: and everyone's like, no, then it comes back around to you.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: You're like, you know what? I can pass.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Plus cookies and milk. I know that's, it's a signal. Again,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: adult sippy.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Cup and cookies and milk is not what you want
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: to be sending.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: As a message. I mean, it's just, yeah.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: You're right about them not being taught though, because when
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I think about the things I'm communicating to my kids,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: as you're doing with this, there are so many signals
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: that I think used to be much more explicit in
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: the way we taught them. There used to be etiquette
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  Speaker 1: books where you understood these are the exact rules for engaging.
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  Speaker 1: We have lost that and we've gone way too far
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  Speaker 1: in the other direction, thereby leading everyone to think whatever
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  Speaker 1: their heart song says is what they do in every moment.
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  Speaker 1: And that is not the case. And if you do
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  Speaker 1: not teach kids and if they do not have reps,
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  Speaker 1: which is what these guys are missing out on by
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  Speaker 1: quitting college in two weeks, by not engaging with people because.
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  Speaker 2: They're on their phones. If you don't get reps, you
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  Speaker 2: don't know where the lines are. Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, thanks for joining us on Normally Normally airs Tuesdays
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  Speaker 3: Get in touch with us at normallythepod at gmail.com. Thanks
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  Speaker 3: for listening, and when things get weird, act normally.