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Move to Heaven | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 93 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is Taba K Rambles where a couple of
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  friends review Korean dramas and we are back to review a slice of
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  life K drama that really broke me to pieces.
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  And for this episode, I am joined by my good friend Miguel.
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  How are you, Miguel? I was all right.
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  Yeah, we I was doing great. We were fine and then we watched
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  Move to Heaven, which is what we'll be reviewing today.
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  If you're unfamiliar with my guest host today, if you want to
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  scroll back and listen to the two Squid Game episodes, you can
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  listen to the 2521 review Snowdrop, First Love the Glory,
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  Alice in Borderland. Miguel has been on the tip out
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  for you quite a bit and I basically chose this a long time
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  ago secretly and then finally talked to you about it at the
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  beginning of the year. I think we were at a movie with
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  our friends and we were chatting afterwards and you were talking
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  about some of the media that you were consuming at the time.
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  I think this was late 2024 or summer 2024 I think.
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  Yeah, it was around that time. It was.
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  Yeah. And you were just talking a
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  little bit about how you were really resonating with some of
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  the media, and one of them had to do with, like, grief.
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  And you were talking a little bit about your grief journey
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  with your mom. Yeah, all of us strangers, Yeah.
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  And I said, I don't know why. I thought, oh, let's just up the
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  ante here. Let's watch Move to Heaven.
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  I said, oh, you would love Move to Heaven.
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  This K drama that came out a few years ago.
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  It's really good. And put that in a back pocket.
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  Neither of us watched it, but you know, for Season 6 of
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  Tibock, I was like, hey, I know we got Squid Game going on.
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  I know season 2 and three are coming out in 2025 and we got
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  that. But did you want to watch Move
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  to Heaven? When you first mentioned it, I
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  was like, you know, no, but this was at the very like, so I was
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  looking for ways to kind of explore my grief in a kind of
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  healthy way, which is a really difficult thing to do.
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  You know, I think that a lot of media around grief can fall into
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  like solipsism, despair, like just complete hopelessness.
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  And no matter how bad it gets, I try to, you know it, it's
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  important to have hope. It's important to have faith.
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  So I was really careful with what I was watching.
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  And so when you mentioned this, I had this very split thought of
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  like, I understand It's like I think you would love this is a
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  very weird way to phrase that. But it's also I knew what you
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  meant. And I'm like, OK, well, at this
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  point, this was you got me at the point where I started
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  watching like Dazed and confused Dogma, Like I went from really
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  highbrow grief to just keep living, man, hippie hangout
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  movies and whatever. So I'm like, I'll put that in my
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  back pocket and we'll come back to that.
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  But when I saw the concept for Move to Heaven, even at the
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  time, I'm like, OK, I'm not ready for this now.
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  Whenever that was, I think it was last summer even or even
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  early spring, it was very close. It was very close to when it all
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  happened. I was like, this is a very
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  interesting concept and I want to see it but I can't right now.
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  Yeah, I mean, I didn't push it. I was like, you know?
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  No, no. We'll do this later, if
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  anything. I had like a mild panic attack
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  because I'm like, wait, I want to come through for this because
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  I love recording. But on the other hand, it's like
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  no girl, like we'll come back to this.
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  Yeah, I, I really didn't talk to you about Move to Heaven until
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  basically like a year later when I was planning season 6 and I
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  said, damn, I really do want to rewatch Move to Heaven.
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  And if I'm going to rewatch it, I would love to extend the
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  invitation first to you, Miguel, to see if you want to watch it
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  and we can talk about it. And you said yes.
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  So here we are. We're going to talk about here
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  patrons. All right so we're going to talk
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  about Move to Heaven and I'll go ahead and read the MDL synopsis
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  and we'll get into the non spoiler section and break for
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  spoilers, OK? The MTL synopsis reads Han Guru
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  is an autistic 20 year old. He works for his father's
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  business Moved to Heaven, a company that specializes in
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  crime scene cleanup where they also collect and arrange items
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  left by deceased people and deliver them to the bereaved
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  family. When Guru's father dies, Guru's
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  guardianship passes to his uncle, ex convict to Sangu, who
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  is a martial arts fighter in underground matches.
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  Per the father's will, Sangu must care for and work with Guru
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  and Move to Heaven for three months to gain full guardianship
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  and claimed the inheritance. Eyeing money, Sangu agrees to
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  the conditions and moves in. The show was adapted from the
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  nonfiction essay Things Left Behind by professional trauma
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  cleaner Kim Sibiol. Kim Sibiol is the first person
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  in Korea who worked to arrange articles left by the deceased.
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  So interesting. Very.
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  Yeah. This show aired in its entirety
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  on May 14th, 2021, and it is 10 episodes long.
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  It is directed by Kim. So long.
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  This is his first K drama directing job ever, but he's
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  written and directed a lot of movies.
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  Some of those were notebook from my mother, How to Steal a Dog.
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  She came from fantastic pair of suicides, 1 Shining Day, a
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  segment called The Treasure Island and into the Mirror.
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  And there's more where that came from that he also just directed
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  and didn't write and direct like Tarantino the whole thing
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  because he directed one segment of this film called 1 shining
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  day in 2006. It makes me think that he's
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  familiar with doing sort of an anthology, and that's very close
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  to what Moved to Heaven sort of is a lot of chapters of people's
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  stories. The writer is Yunji Young, and
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  she's done not very much, but what she has done is very
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  iconic. She's only written Boys Over
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  Flowers from 2009. Oh well, if that's all I mean.
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  So she wrote Boys Over Flowers, She wrote Operation Proposal
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  from 2012 and Angel Eyes from 2014.
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  I have watched all three. I did end up dropping Operation
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  Proposal. Operation Proposal is like a a
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  butterfly effect show where there's this guy who really
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  loves this girl, but she is the one that got away on her wedding
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  day. He's kind of like, Oh my God,
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  I've lost her forever. And he gets the chance to go
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  back in time and like, fix it because there's certain
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  junctures and moments in his life where he was like, if I
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  didn't do this or if I picked the opposite thing, I could end
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  up with her. We could be together.
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  And every time he goes back to time, he just mucks it up even
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  worse. Or he or she doesn't end up with
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  him regardless. So it was just over and over
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  again the same thing. When I'm going back, he changes
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  nothing. It comes back to the present day
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  still they're not together. It goes back in time, change
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  something else and it's it's, it's honestly really frustrating
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  and. It sounds really grueling.
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  It was like it feels like the movie, right like that, like
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  just having to go back. It's like this just keeps
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  getting, bro, just stay where you are.
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  Literally just let it. Just let it go.
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  It wasn't meant to be. So that's operation proposal I
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  never finished. I don't know how that ends.
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  And then Angel Eyes, which is a story of first loves.
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  They're like two teenagers. They're in love.
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  But once the girl is blind and then through circumstances, they
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  they can't be together. They grow up, but she has a like
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  an eye surgery, like an eye transplant thing.
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  So then as an adult, she can now see, but obviously she doesn't
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  recognize him as an adult because she's never seen him.
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  So like that whole thing, rekindling that first love from
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  their youth, it's wild. It's very heart wrenching, all
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  of it. Sounds, it sounds grueling.
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  It sounds grilling. And it's like, oh, and for my
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  next trick, I don't know, I'm going to film a baby kitten
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  trying to wake up its mother that it doesn't realize is dead.
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  Like for 10 episodes. Like, how much suffering can you
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  take in a single lifetime? What is going on in Korea?
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  We'll get into that with this show specifically because the
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  amount of times I paused and I was like, bro, is this just
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  America in a different font? Like, what is going on over
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  there? Like, what do you mean the
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  hospital's closed? Where am I Like Like I was like.
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  I know. So to round out the cast, we
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  have Idion, who plays Toh Sangu. He's the uncle.
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  He's been in about 19 movies, 16 TV shows, including most
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  recently The Art of Negotiation. He's been in Chief Detective
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  1958, all three Taxi Driver seasons, Where the Stars Land,
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  one of my favorite time traveling romances, Tomorrow
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  with You. And of course, we covered Signal
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  from 2016 on the first season of Taebak.
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  And as of today, I think this is still Rico's favorite K drama
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  that he's ever watched. I could see that, yeah.
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  You could see that. Yeah, that.
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  Makes sense. It's pretty.
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  Excellent, though it's a good choice.
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  It's a class. It is.
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  Tang Jung Sang plays Han Guru, and he's been about 10 movies
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  and seven TV shows. He is pretty young.
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  When I saw he was born in 2003, I was like, ah, Dagger to the
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  heart. He's been in shows like oh, my
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  ghost clients, Nootopia, Racket Boys, which is a sports show
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  that I hear is very, very good. And of course, little show crash
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  Landing on you from 2019-2020. You're like, oh.
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  Yeah. A couple of side characters that
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  I'll mention. Hong Sunghi plays Yun Namu.
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  Her nickname in the show was Next Door.
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  That's so funny. She's been in Navilera memorist
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  psychopath diarrhea. I want to hear your song Just
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  Dance. We've have covered Navilera on
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  the podcast view if you want to scroll back and listen to that
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  review. G Jin Lee plays Han Jung U He is
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  the father to gudu. He's been in about 14 movies, 28
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  television shows, including as far back as Jewel in the Palace
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  from 2003, Spring Days, Dong Yi from 2010, Designated Survivor,
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  60 Days from 2019, DP Season 2, which we have covered on the
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  podcast feed, Romance in the House most recently, and 9
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  Puzzles, which is a really, really good crime drama on
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  Disney Plus that just I think finished airing like several
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  days ago in 2025. So that is our main cast.
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  I'm going to toss it over to you and ask, what did you think of
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  Move to Heaven? I, I loved it.
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  Yeah. I really loved it.
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  I thought it was, I thought it was really beautiful.
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  Like just the concept by itself of having trauma cleaners, which
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  I didn't want to look into it in case it was one of those things
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  where if I Google it'll, you know, bring up spoilers
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  immediately. So hearing that it's actually
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  based on something pretty real was really interesting to me.
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  I love just the whole concept, like we're going to go in, we're
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  going to take out everything that's the most painful and then
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  you just deal with it on your own way.
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  So I loved it. I think the characters were
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  really strong. Every single one of them kind of
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  had their own thing going for them, but it was also just gut
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  wrenching. Like it was just really, really
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  gut wrenching. And I don't like, I think, how
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  do I put this? I think they really did a good
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  job of like the show was presented very plainly, right?
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  I never got the impression that there was a lot of melodrama
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  forcing you to feel bad about something and having go to his
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  character, he has Asperger's, if I'm right with that, right.
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  So I actually follow a few different pages on TikTok about
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  Asperger's and kind of how they live and a day in the life kind
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  of stuff. And I found having his character
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  be front and center with his condition acted as a really
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  grounding personality to everything that was going on.
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  He can't display the emotion that he feels.
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  He has a very matter of fact way of approaching everything.
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  So instead of having like Comic Relief where oh, we got to make
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  a joke because this is getting too bleak.
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  Just his presence and how he presents things kind of gives
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  everything like a final line to everything.
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  It's a very it is what it is show.
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  Of course, that changes as we go on.
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  But I thought that was a really interesting concept and it was
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  really just funds, not the right word, but it was a very it was a
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  solid watch. This is probably one of my
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  favorite K dramas in a while, yeah.
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  I'm glad to hear you say that because I was really worried
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  that it was going to hit you sideways or something because it
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  is not it's, it's a heavy watch, right?
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  Like this. As much as I love slice of life,
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  when it's done well, also when it's done well, it's going to
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  freaking wreck you. And this is one of those shows
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  where if you're into it, it's going to really upturn you.
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  And it's emotionally just a beautiful story.
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  And it's talking a lot about grief, how you handle it, how
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  different people that are neurodivergent would handle the
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  same event. And it's all a valid experience.
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  Like it's there's nothing greater or lesser.
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  How should you look at life? How should you look at the
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  losses that you take in your life?
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  And I think that ultimately the show is very optimistic.
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  About everything, yeah, that's the word.
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  That's a word that I would use. And I feel like that's not
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  something that's very common and there's a very life goes on
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  approach to it. Like there's still pain and
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  reconciling literally and figuratively with what people
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  left behind. Just showing that death isn't
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  really the end. Like everything gets affected by
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  a person's death, whether love, hate, indifference, anything,
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  that death is going to reverberate and cut through
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  everything and it's only a matter of time before you run
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  into it. But it handles it with optimism,
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  which you really don't see. Like you really don't see
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  optimism with stuff like this or the topic of death in general.
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  So, yeah, interesting. And I'm one of those I have a
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  morbid fascination with trauma cleaners and crime scene
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  biohazard cleaners. And so before I even watched the
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  show, I had already known about this profession, if that makes
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  any sense. What took it to the next level?
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  What's the K drama of it is that they go above and beyond, right?
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  And they kind of like get at that in the show is that they're
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  not just coming in and wiping away all traces of this person.
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  So you don't have to deal with cleaning up all the family
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  photos and getting rid of all these receipts.
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  And of course, also the nitty gritty of like there might have
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  been a putrid body in the room that needs special care and
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  handling to get all of the cleaning done, all of the
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  sanitation handled. They are actively seeking out
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  family members or people that were important to the deceased
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  and giving closure, giving catharsis to these people,
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  helping the deceased speak from beyond the grave.
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  Giving them dignity was such a huge part of it, like even in
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  the most gruesome death that we see, which we'll get into, they
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  were especially Guru and his father, they were very steadfast
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  about, OK, we're here to clean something up.
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  Let's pay respect. Let's do this with respect and
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  just piercing together what this person was thinking, who they
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  were, what they left. Everything's a story.
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  It's so good, Yeah. I love that.
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  I love that part of it other than the just general interest
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  piece of it of like this person was left in the room for three
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  months and then we came in and we had to, you know, there was a
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  lot of stuff got under the tiles and we had to.
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  I am super interested in that. And I understand that's not
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  everyone's fascination. I know that that's might be
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  unique to a certain subset of people.
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  Might be the true crime girlies out there may understand me a
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  little better than the usual slice of life K drama girlies.
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  But that's just me. And that is also what made the
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  show different, I think, for a lot of people, is that there is
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  a morbid aspect to it, but there is, like you said, a lot of
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  dignity to this profession. And the way these characters,
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  you know, handle all of the belongings, all even the space,
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  when they walk into it, they pay respect.
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  As soon as they walk into it, they introduce themselves to the
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  deceased. It's very beautiful and
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  intentional. And the box being yellow.
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  Oh stop it. Like the box being yellow.
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  Oh my God. Yeah, well, do you want to talk
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  about why the box is yellow or? You're just my interpretation.
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  Yellow, I mean, yellow is just the most joyful color, right?
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  I mean, everything about how they're set up is so optimistic.
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  The fact that the company is called Move to Heaven, I mean,
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  come on, that's pretty good. And then like the box being
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  yellow, it's just such a joyful box.
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  And when you open that, the inside is yellow, the outside,
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  it's like very intentional design.
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  So when you open the box, you would see how the light would
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  shine in. And just like everything looks
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  illuminated in the box. Everything looks beautiful and
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  joyful and like, hey, this is the most prized possessions.
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  They're left behind, but they're in a safe, happy, bright place.
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  I love that. Like when I saw the box, I was
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  like, but I have a whole thing with yellow.
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  I love you. I'm wearing yellow.
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  I. Love yellow.
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  I love yellow. Joyful color, yeah.
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  But yeah, I just. That's a little detail that
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  stuck out to me immediately. I was like, oh cool.
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  Yeah. So.
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  You mentioned Gudu and how he is basically the conduit through
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  which we view the show a lot of the time, and he's a very
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  sympathetic character. His grief is, I think, what
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  breaks me the most when I rewatched the show.
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  How did you find him and what what were your thoughts about
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  Han Guru as a character? I'm gonna do as a character, I
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  think really, he broke my heart the most out of anything that
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  happened in that show, except for one thing.
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  But even that takes second place to I found his character very
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  difficult to reconcile with because even with being
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  neurodivergent, it shows that we all kind of experience the
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  stages of grief in the same way. He may not recognize it right
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  away, He may not process it at the same time, but that's
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  variable. It doesn't it?
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  It really gave him a strong kind of point confronting death and
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  confronting his own grief. And the stages, if you watch the
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  show really carefully, you can see them unfolding.
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  And he gets more and more agitated because he doesn't
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  understand what he's going through until it hits him.
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  And when it hits him, it hits US.
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  And when it hits US, it kills everybody in the city because
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  it's so incredibly sad. But I think this was a really
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  good representation of grief from a very, as far as I've
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  seen, uncommon perspective. But I think it is character was
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  he was funny, even if unintentionally.
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  And at times he was, he had a very strong sense of what was
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  right and wrong. And his grief journey is just
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  like ours, just like everyone's like I loved him as a central
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  character. He's one of the most interesting
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  characters I've seen in a long time.
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  Along with that, I want to say this is something that stood out
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  to me because I was hoping it wouldn't be like this and
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  thankfully it wasn't. There's a lot of shows that will
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  take a neurodivergent character like Oh my God, The Good Doctor,
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  The Big Bang Theory, House, or at least they're perceived to
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  be. If not, some of them are exposed
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  this summer and they they'll always take one of two routes
• 21:40
  with it and both are so cringe inducing and horrible.
• 21:43
  Either they take the comedy route where everything they say
• 21:47
  is like, ah, he's so funny because he doesn't get one and
• 21:49
  it kind of it feels icky, or they make him into this like
• 21:54
  wide reaching savant and everybody's in awe of him and
• 21:58
  everybody. And they didn't do that with
• 22:01
  him. They respected Guru's character.
• 22:03
  Like, sure, there was people who didn't understand, but right off
• 22:05
  RIP, they noticed. OK, there's something about this
• 22:08
  guy that's a little bit different.
• 22:09
  Some people react poorly to it and they're rude, but they would
• 22:12
  be rude to anybody. And he'll confront people who
• 22:15
  can recognize his talent, but they're not falling over
• 22:17
  themselves making a big deal of like, wow, he knows all this.
• 22:21
  So his character was treated with so much respect, being
• 22:25
  neurodivergent, but also the universe that he's in is a
• 22:28
  little more grounded to that fact and very accommodating to
• 22:32
  that. It's a world where people get
• 22:34
  frustrated when they don't know what's going on, but they're
• 22:36
  encouraged by other people to ask questions instead of making
• 22:39
  assumptions. And I really like that, Like, a
• 22:41
  lot. What did you get out and go to
• 22:43
  his character? Like did you?
• 22:46
  I think the first time I watched it, I was completely enamoured
• 22:51
  by him. I was totally on his side and
• 22:54
  was really upset with everyone around him who didn't understand
• 22:59
  or weren't sympathetic toward him, if that makes any sense.
• 23:03
  Yes, and this rewatch, I was still very drawn to him, very
• 23:07
  connected with him. But Ijan's character of Sangu,
• 23:11
  the uncle, I understood him a lot more.
• 23:14
  And I don't know if it's because I have four more years of life
• 23:17
  under my belt, but I'm like, I understand.
• 23:18
  I, you know, him not understanding Gudu and being
• 23:23
  very impatient with him and very aggressive and sort of like the
• 23:28
  way he speaks and he's so gruff and everything.
• 23:31
  I'm like, yeah. But he, you know, look at
• 23:33
  everything that happened to him. He what do you think he's going
• 23:36
  to have read all of the books on autism and all of the literature
• 23:42
  and all of the YouTube videos that say, oh, so don't do this,
• 23:45
  do that, don't do this, do that. No, like he's just no.
• 23:49
  He literally just got a yeah like.
• 23:51
  Like please. And was foisted on this adult
• 23:56
  and this responsibility. So right, you know, Yeah.
• 23:58
  So I had a lot more grace for EJ Inn's character of Sangu and his
• 24:04
  journey as well. What did you think of EJ Inn's
• 24:08
  Sangu, the Uncle character? I think with the uncle, I
• 24:12
  actually really liked him from the very beginning.
• 24:14
  I think that, well, we operate from the idea that if somebody
• 24:18
  behaves the way he does, you know, short tempered, stressed
• 24:21
  out, whatever, they have a lot of things that they haven't
• 24:23
  confronted. So you can give grace to someone
• 24:25
  like that. And I felt the same way, like,
• 24:27
  OK, we didn't know his deal from the very beginning, but just
• 24:31
  getting out of jail, you, you get out of jail to find out, you
• 24:34
  know, is it, is it a spoiler? His brother, Yeah, it's in the
• 24:38
  MDL synopsis at his. Yeah, So he gets out like, you
• 24:41
  find out your brother's dead. You know, you find out you have
• 24:45
  to take over as a guardian for your nephew and then live in
• 24:50
  your. Like, it's just such a stressful
• 24:52
  situation for anybody. And you get to the place, you
• 24:55
  realize there's all these conditions that are attached to
• 24:57
  it. They use it and ask for you
• 24:58
  didn't even have a good relationship with your brother.
• 25:00
  So I had a lot of empathy for his character.
• 25:03
  And besides that, I found him really funny.
• 25:05
  No idea. He's like.
• 25:06
  Super great. He's so.
• 25:07
  Funny, literally. Like he, he was a bit rough.
• 25:11
  He was a bit, but I didn't see him necessarily as a bad guy.
• 25:16
  Like if they were trying to make us hate him at the beginning, it
• 25:18
  didn't click for me. I was like this.
• 25:20
  He's just funny and he's not going to go out of his way to
• 25:23
  abuse his nephew. But I liked him.
• 25:27
  I thought it was funny. I thought he stepped up to do
• 25:29
  the right thing when he needed to, you know?
• 25:31
  And just watching his growth as a character is really rewarding.
• 25:36
  I agree. Like he has a very good payoff.
• 25:39
  So I totally agree. There's a moment with him that
• 25:42
  we can get into in the spoiler section that yeah, broke me in
• 25:45
  half. And I don't know if it the same
• 25:49
  moment broke you, but yeah, I love EJ and he's a great actor.
• 25:54
  And this role is suitably gross. Like it's it's a gross person.
• 25:58
  He doesn't have great sense of personal hygiene and he's he.
• 26:02
  Has a mullet. He has a.
• 26:03
  Mullet, He's kind of an oath, but I like him.
• 26:08
  It like despite everything, I like him.
• 26:10
  I thought on this watch that moved to heaven reminded me a
• 26:13
  lot of Rain Man. Oh, OK.
• 26:15
  Oh, you know what? Yeah, I could see that.
• 26:18
  Where Eden's character is Charlie Babbitt, which is Tom
• 26:22
  Cruise's character in Rain Man. And it's like the same setup,
• 26:25
  you know, he learns that his estranged father has died in
• 26:29
  Rain Man and he returns home to discover he's completely
• 26:32
  basically cut out of the will. All he has is the Rose, the Rose
• 26:36
  Bush famously, and one car left by his father.
• 26:39
  But the millions of fortune that his father left behind is left
• 26:44
  to the mental institution where his older brother Raymond, and
• 26:48
  lives. That's Dustin Hoffman's
• 26:50
  character. And Dustin Hoffman plays
• 26:52
  another, you know, autistic savant who, yeah, very famously
• 26:58
  goes to Vegas and, like, takes Vegas.
• 27:03
  That's that's the thing with Korean dramas though, right?
• 27:05
  Like you'll be watching something in 1/4 of the way
• 27:07
  through and like, wait a minute, this seems familiar.
• 27:09
  This. Seems familiar.
• 27:10
  It's like, let's go. And then it's always a 90s
• 27:12
  movie. And you're like, right, yeah.
• 27:14
  I mean. Let me be clear, it's a very
• 27:18
  good spin on DO. A Little Rain Man, which is in
• 27:21
  1988, it kind of swept the Oscars that year, was the number
• 27:24
  one grossing movie that year. And at the end of the movie,
• 27:29
  it's very similar to Move to Heaven where their lives are
• 27:32
  changed, right? Their perspectives are
• 27:34
  different. And maybe Dustin Hoffman's
• 27:38
  Raymond isn't in any way, shape or form a cured or anything of
• 27:43
  his condition. But in rubbing elbows with his
• 27:48
  brother, Charlie Babbitt's Tom Cruise.
• 27:51
  Tom Cruise's Charlie Babbitt, I should say, is changed.
• 27:54
  She's like, it doesn't matter. The money doesn't matter
• 27:56
  anymore. I'm just happy to have a
• 27:58
  brother, Yeah. With understanding comes, you
• 28:01
  know, Yeah, coexistence and all the rest of it.
• 28:03
  And. It's very similar to Move to
• 28:06
  Heaven, where, you know, Sangu, the uncle is like, yeah, it's
• 28:10
  really not about the money anymore.
• 28:13
  Yeah, What can I contribute? You know, I'm just so happy to
• 28:19
  have this nephew and care for him.
• 28:21
  And, you know, there's a real connection and bond here that
• 28:24
  we've forged in the last three months.
• 28:26
  And none of this is explicitly stated, which I love.
• 28:29
  No, it's actually you're wondering until the very last
• 28:32
  minute whether or not it's actually clicking.
• 28:34
  And it's like, oh, OK, OK, thank.
• 28:38
  God, absolutely. Who is the most annoying
• 28:40
  character to you? Next door's mom.
• 28:45
  Oh my God, yes. Like girl, leave me alone.
• 28:50
  Like I get like my God. And you know, let me be clear.
• 28:55
  She's not even in the show that no she like if we had to count
• 28:58
  maybe 5 appearances maybe, but just the nagging and the
• 29:04
  screaming and the throwing of cops and this and that.
• 29:07
  Like by far, yeah. I didn't really have a problem
• 29:11
  with even next door. Next door was a little bit
• 29:13
  pushy, but it's justified considering, you know, they're
• 29:17
  young. She's a next door neighbor.
• 29:19
  She cares for this person who she sees as defenseless and is,
• 29:24
  like, freshly an orphan. So even on her worst day, I'll
• 29:29
  be like, OK. Like, she means well.
• 29:31
  The mom, though, like, how dare you go over there and it's bad
• 29:35
  luck to clean out people's houses and you're lying to me.
• 29:38
  And you're like, non-stop. Like, yeah, enough.
• 29:41
  Yeah, there's enough. It's just like a superstitious
• 29:45
  bunch over there. It's always with the
• 29:47
  superstition. Don't leave a ceiling fan on.
• 29:49
  You'll die like you've heard about that, no?
• 29:51
  What's that about? Yeah, so apparently they don't.
• 29:55
  And correct me if I'm wrong, I've read this a few times over
• 29:58
  the years. I've looked into it, but
• 30:01
  apparently in Korean culture there's something called Korean
• 30:05
  fan death where you can't just leave a fan on because you'll
• 30:10
  die and it started from some electrical.
• 30:13
  It started with a very reasonable explanation, but then
• 30:17
  it evolved into like, it's bad luck to have a fan on.
• 30:20
  And I'm a superstitious guy. I don't know if you know that,
• 30:24
  but in a very, very, very mild, small ways, like the salt over
• 30:28
  the shoulder thing, whatever. But but leaving a fan on like
• 30:32
  it's hot, like we live in, we can't touch that.
• 30:35
  We're going to get cursed. You know what I mean?
• 30:37
  Like, yeah, it's adaptable superstition.
• 30:41
  I'm leaving the fan on. All right.
• 30:44
  Well, I think we've come to the point where we can probably get
• 30:48
  into the spoiler section. So what would you rate this show
• 30:51
  out of Fives Hoju bottles? 4 1/2 Four.
• 30:54
  And a half, all right, I would give it a four.
• 30:56
  What is the half point off for? There is something that didn't
• 31:01
  pay off at all for me. It's a major plot point.
• 31:05
  It's with the encore and I don't.
• 31:08
  I feel like if they had a couple more episodes, it would have
• 31:11
  paid off. But sometimes I wonder whether
• 31:14
  or not they should have introduced it at all.
• 31:16
  Because we come to the end of it and I'm like, OK, I feel like
• 31:21
  maybe there was supposed to be a second season.
• 31:23
  It feels like there was supposed to be a second season.
• 31:26
  So I was already, like, on top of all the mourning and
• 31:28
  grieving, that was something I had to add to my plate because
• 31:31
  I'm like, what the fuck is Season 2?
• 31:33
  Like, excuse me, I'm sorry, but like, where is it?
• 31:35
  I'm like clicking frantically like where is in it, but other
• 31:40
  than that, and it's, it's such a small thing in general in terms
• 31:42
  of things I didn't like, but by virtue of that, I can't give it
• 31:46
  a 5, but I'll give it a four and a half, okay?
• 31:50
  I'll give it a 5 out of five because I love this show.
• 31:53
  There's probably very, very few things that I would change about
• 31:56
  it, if anything, if I can even come up with something in this
• 32:00
  episode to necessarily complain about.
• 32:02
  I love the show. I think it was better on 2nd
• 32:05
  watch. It hit me so very deeply.
• 32:07
  I was crying. I was sobbing especially in the
• 32:10
  final episode. And you mentioned season 2.
• 32:13
  There is no season 2, unfortunately or fortunately.
• 32:17
  I of the opinion that K dramas should just stick to the one
• 32:22
  season format as is traditional. And I don't see the need to
• 32:28
  return for a season 2, although you can interpret the very final
• 32:33
  scene as being like, well, then what's going to happen with this
• 32:36
  person like it? There has to be.
• 32:38
  There's more stories and you absolutely can iterate.
• 32:40
  You can certainly do more Move to heaven clients and stories
• 32:46
  drum up some through line for the nephew and the uncle to
• 32:51
  solve in the course of a season 2.
• 32:53
  I. Genuinely and generally don't
• 32:56
  care for a season 2 and there has been nowhere of a season 2.
• 33:01
  I looked up move to have in season 2 to see if there was
• 33:04
  anything about it. Netflix hasn't said anything
• 33:06
  about it. There's fake trailers online for
• 33:09
  a season 2. Yeah, I.
• 33:10
  Kept coming across that sketchy blog on Filipino Facebook.
• 33:13
  Yeah, like. People will those K drama
• 33:16
  editors are like fucking vile. They'll do whatever to just get
• 33:20
  someone to click on their page and that is, I think that's
• 33:24
  evil. Like people genuinely connected
• 33:26
  with the story and they want, if they want a season 2, they're
• 33:28
  looking for this online and then they see this fake ass trailer
• 33:31
  like that's rude. That's so rude.
• 33:33
  Horrible. So unfortunately for in your
• 33:36
  case, there is no season 2 and I'm sure that upset you.
• 33:39
  I'm sure that's part of the .5. Yeah, but not for the reason you
• 33:43
  would think. It wasn't for the final scene,
• 33:46
  it was for something else. OK.
• 33:48
  OK. Yeah.
• 33:49
  All right. The final scene, I'm like, OK,
• 33:51
  OK, But like, yeah, OK. We'll go get into it.
• 33:56
  Yeah, yeah. Get into it.
• 33:57
  Yeah. Right after this.
• 34:00
  Excuse me. I can't tell.
• 34:02
  I can't tell. You know I have no tingle.
• 34:07
  Oh, sorry. Swear discussing shirts.
• 34:10
  What All right, we're on the other side of spoilers.
• 34:16
  So we are going to talk a little more in depth about what happens
• 34:20
  in Move to Heaven and I would love to start us off and know
• 34:24
  what what made you downrate and move to Heaven.
• 34:28
  What got me was the Fight Club thing.
• 34:31
  OK, The Fight Club thing confused me.
• 34:34
  I felt like they were building something, but I never really
• 34:38
  felt the stakes of the Fight Club.
• 34:41
  I felt like there was a tension with the uncle just like, OK,
• 34:45
  like, you know, he has someone after him.
• 34:48
  He's going to gamble away the house and this.
• 34:50
  But I never felt the stakes of that.
• 34:52
  I never. So when there's finally a battle
• 34:55
  and then his friend is like let or his prodigy that he brought
• 35:00
  up, it just felt like not a useless pop point, but it I felt
• 35:04
  like it should have either been resolved by the time he got to
• 35:06
  the house and he just lives with that grief and lives with his
• 35:11
  own regret. But every time they would go
• 35:13
  back to it just, I was like, OK, like, what's the threat?
• 35:18
  Yeah, I think you know. What I mean like I didn't, I
• 35:20
  didn't get it. Like I didn't get what they were
• 35:22
  doing with it. So OK, I took.
• 35:23
  This way differently than you because even though it ends with
• 35:26
  a little bit of a wah wah wah in the story, I took it a little
• 35:32
  better than you because he does need this kind of closure with
• 35:38
  his protege, his friend that he trained and was in a coma.
• 35:43
  And this friend was actually he this this guy is actually really
• 35:47
  famous now. It's Iduk.
• 35:49
  He plays Kim Sochol, who's the protege dude who he saves from
• 35:55
  like a bullying situation. And then he just sticks around
• 35:59
  and becomes a national boxing champion, which I was like, OK,
• 36:06
  all right. But I was like, you know,
• 36:09
  Korea's really small. But anyways, so, you know, all
• 36:16
  this to say, he is basically still ensnared by this old life
• 36:20
  of his where he's in this underground Fight Club and the
• 36:25
  the bitch bookie who's, you know, lying to him and saying
• 36:29
  like, Oh yeah, I got like a new fighter for tonight.
• 36:31
  She's very exploitative and conniving and she is still like
• 36:37
  trying to drag him into this life and say like, oh, you owe
• 36:40
  me because she's the one that's paying the hospital bills for E,
• 36:43
  jokes Sutrol. Like that?
• 36:46
  Character. Oh crap, never mind, I take it
• 36:49
  back. I forgot about that detail.
• 36:52
  Entirely OK, OK. That's what she's like.
• 36:54
  You got to fight. You have to fight.
• 36:55
  Please come back and fight. And he's like, no, no, no.
• 36:58
  But also he is desperate to save Sutrol.
• 37:04
  He is immensely guilty. Yeah.
• 37:08
  Over what? He, he's still alive.
• 37:10
  So it's him trying to hold on to like, OK, all right, I get it
• 37:15
  now. Never mind, I'd like to change
• 37:17
  that. And now it's a 5.
• 37:20
  No, I mean, like it's still if, if it didn't work for you,
• 37:24
  that's fine. But that's this is how I took it
• 37:27
  and how I was reading it is that he was just so, so in pain, so
• 37:32
  guilty and would do anything to save his life.
• 37:36
  And it was never part of the, you know, you would think that
• 37:41
  maybe he's like, no, you have to get him to live so that I don't
• 37:45
  go away from murder, right? He's like, no but.
• 37:47
  It's not, Yeah. It's not that at all.
• 37:50
  He's saying you have to get him to live because I, I basically
• 37:53
  can't live with myself if he died and you and I'm not going
• 37:56
  to let you live either if he dies because it's totally on you
• 38:00
  as well. That's real.
• 38:02
  And then what? The bookie, the bookie being in
• 38:04
  the world that she is, when he does die, she's like, you should
• 38:08
  be thanking me, like, that's all your problems gone, right?
• 38:12
  You're dead. You're not going away.
• 38:14
  Like, you're fine. And it's like, I'm not fine.
• 38:17
  So yeah. It's it's painful.
• 38:19
  And that character as well serves as a almost like a found
• 38:24
  family type of deal for Sambu's character before he obviously
• 38:30
  reconnects with Gudu and the whole, yeah, gosh, that side of
• 38:34
  the family. His brother, his blood brother
• 38:38
  is, you know, he spent years presumably training this kid,
• 38:43
  watching him rise up the ranks and become a boxing champion.
• 38:46
  He says he wants him to go to a sport university or become, you
• 38:51
  know, an Olympian. But get get out of this life
• 38:55
  somehow and don't be like him because he's in a freaking
• 38:58
  underground Fight Club. He's not.
• 39:02
  He's like, I don't be like me. So I thought that was all part
• 39:06
  of him taking responsibility for someone other than himself, for
• 39:11
  him loving somebody else other than himself.
• 39:13
  And then when he makes a mistake and loses that person, it's
• 39:18
  completely devastating to him, to his character.
• 39:21
  Yeah, and it forces him to confront his old grief with.
• 39:25
  His brother, yes, exactly so. You know.
• 39:28
  Because Sichol was calling him hyung, you know, older brother,
• 39:32
  it's, it's a lot. It's a lot in there that's
• 39:35
  packed into that one relationship.
• 39:37
  One thing that I found interesting was that Suto's
• 39:40
  younger sister was the one that was taking care of him in the
• 39:43
  hospital. And when Sangu goes to visit the
• 39:47
  hospital, she's like, look at what I'm doing.
• 39:49
  Like this is what the reality is, is that I'm giving him
• 39:52
  sponge baths. He has no consciousness, he's in
• 39:55
  a full on coma. He's brain dead.
• 39:58
  This is no life. No, even if they were to get
• 40:01
  because there's the moment with the surgery and the doctor very
• 40:04
  plainly tells him, look, we can do it, but he's he's going to
• 40:07
  die in surgery. There's just no.
• 40:09
  And he tries to get it done anyway, but even his sister's
• 40:12
  like, you need to let this go. You need to let this go.
• 40:14
  And that's like. He's gone.
• 40:15
  Even if they fix it, he's gone. So yeah.
• 40:17
  I found that really special, and that is a type of grief that I'm
• 40:23
  sure a lot of younger audience members have never dealt with of
• 40:28
  caregiving for a family member. Yeah, it's not.
• 40:32
  I think that it's very. If you haven't been through it,
• 40:35
  it's very like, first of all, it's.
• 40:38
  Complicated. It's complex.
• 40:40
  It's very, I felt. A lot for the sister and I was
• 40:43
  very upset with Sangu who is basically delaying the
• 40:47
  inevitable and throwing money down the drain, hoping that he
• 40:51
  will get better or hoping that he'll just subsist in this
• 40:55
  vegetable like state. Yeah, because before they're
• 40:58
  gone, I think a lot of people from the outside would look at
• 41:00
  that and say, well, wouldn't you want to keep them alive?
• 41:03
  And it's like, no, because there are fates that are worse than
• 41:06
  death. There are situations that are
• 41:08
  worse than death and a situation just really begins to rot.
• 41:12
  It's easy to look at that. And it's like, oh, well, what do
• 41:15
  you mean you're going to sign a do not resuscitate form?
• 41:18
  What do you mean you're not? And it's like, and if you're
• 41:20
  directly in it, it's like it's not about an inconvenience.
• 41:22
  It's not about a burden. It's not about a loss of love in
• 41:27
  most cases. I mean, there's so many, it's a
• 41:29
  kaleidoscope of just like earth shattering grief that happens
• 41:32
  before what you know is going to happen is going to happen.
• 41:36
  So you look at a situation like that and at a certain point
• 41:39
  there's this acceptance where it's like I have to let go
• 41:42
  because if I don't let go, this is going to undo me and
• 41:45
  everybody around me. And also the reality of the
• 41:47
  situation is very plain. And his sister was there and you
• 41:51
  can recognize, I'm sure you you saw it like on her face.
• 41:54
  She's like, no, like this, this needs to end.
• 41:56
  It's. No life for her, it's no life
• 41:58
  for him. You know, Sutol, the kid that's
• 42:00
  in a coma, you know, Sangu just didn't see that.
• 42:04
  He was like, no, he has to stay alive.
• 42:06
  Yeah, that's but. He never changed a diaper.
• 42:11
  I mean, yeah, very. It's very evident.
• 42:14
  If you know, you know, Right. So like it, it makes sense why
• 42:17
  he would want to do that. But ultimately what ended up
• 42:20
  happening was for the best. So yeah, like it had to be so.
• 42:24
  Yeah. So.
• 42:26
  OK, so we've gone over over that whole thing, but there's so
• 42:30
  there's so many stories. What was your favorite episode
• 42:33
  or or you know story client of Move to Heaven?
• 42:38
  Favorite is such a funny. Well, let's say I'm kidding.
• 42:41
  I'm kidding. It's fine.
• 42:42
  Not. Favorite, but, you know,
• 42:44
  memorable ones, no. Yeah, the most memorable ones.
• 42:48
  Oh, OK. The most memorable ones were the
• 42:51
  school teacher. OK.
• 42:55
  All right. Talk about it.
• 42:56
  Yeah. The school teacher, 1, was
• 42:58
  grueling. It was just grueling because it
• 43:03
  was my favorite because three major things happen.
• 43:07
  First, there's a school teacher, you know, she, she's looking
• 43:11
  after the kids. She's doing living her life.
• 43:14
  A friend teacher of hers just introduces her to this guy.
• 43:17
  This guy becomes incredibly obsessed with her and ultimately
• 43:21
  just kills her. But what I love about that
• 43:24
  episode specifically is that good shows that he understands
• 43:28
  love, what it is and what it isn't.
• 43:30
  He can differentiate obsession and like possession from actual
• 43:35
  true love. And we get to see in his own
• 43:39
  way. It took me a while to get it,
• 43:40
  but we get to see in his own way, him expressing real anger
• 43:45
  towards the school teacher's assailant.
• 43:47
  Like her murderer. Yeah, the stalker.
• 43:50
  So he, I love the way that that episode played out for the
• 43:53
  detective work. You know, they get there and get
• 43:56
  her pieces together. He's like, this woman keeps all
• 43:59
  of these instruction manuals to everything.
• 44:01
  We found everything except for the camera.
• 44:03
  She doesn't have a pet. She knew she was in danger.
• 44:06
  Works with the prosecutor. The prosecutor shows him the
• 44:09
  video, which was gut wrenched. Well, that wrong choice of
• 44:12
  words, no pun intended, gut wrenching like shows him killing
• 44:16
  her and saying you're a cruel person, you're a liar, you're
• 44:18
  all this stuff and. He just starts laughing, yeah.
• 44:21
  He just starts laughing even as the lawyer.
• 44:24
  Was gagged the. Defensive lawyer was like and
• 44:27
  he's just like looking down like holy shit, who am I defending?
• 44:31
  I love that episode because it shows and all the episodes do in
• 44:35
  their own way. They show different kinds of
• 44:37
  love and different kinds of the impact that a person will make
• 44:41
  on people's lives. So my favorite moment of that
• 44:44
  episode, aside from the camera reveal and everything, because I
• 44:47
  love detective work. I think you know this like I
• 44:50
  wanted to be a detective, I wanted to do all this.
• 44:52
  So seeing all that play out is so cool.
• 44:55
  But when go to is like, it kind of flips the narrative.
• 44:59
  I have to give this box to somebody who understands and I
• 45:02
  need to show. So he shows this drawing of all
• 45:05
  her students that will no longer be able to ever see her again
• 45:09
  and how much they love her and how, oh, when I grow up, I want
• 45:12
  to marry you. Oh, you're so pretty.
• 45:14
  Thanks for not yelling at me for not eating broccoli, whatever.
• 45:17
  And Gooder just keeps repeating over and over like, you didn't
• 45:21
  love her, you didn't love her, you didn't love her.
• 45:23
  And it clicked in my head at that point.
• 45:25
  It's like, oh, he can't. His condition doesn't let him
• 45:29
  really super duper express outwardly.
• 45:32
  But this is the analog to shouting at somebody and just
• 45:35
  screaming at them and trying to show that anger.
• 45:38
  And seeing how that kind of shook up the stalker also really
• 45:42
  got to me. But that episode was really hard
• 45:44
  because it happens every day. You know you meet the wrong
• 45:49
  person and it spirals out of control before you know it.
• 45:52
  That's it. So.
• 45:53
  Yeah, this episode was definitely brutal.
• 45:55
  It was episode 3 and I can't remember where where I heard
• 46:01
  this, but stalking is a murder in slow motion, yes.
• 46:07
  I've. Heard and this was exactly that,
• 46:09
  right? This guy inserted himself into
• 46:12
  her life and was clearly obsessed with her.
• 46:14
  She wanted nothing to do with him.
• 46:17
  And there is a small moment where you see in a flashback, he
• 46:21
  shows up at her apartment. He's banging on the door.
• 46:23
  Let me in. Let me in, let me in.
• 46:25
  The cops get called and he lies his way out of the situation
• 46:30
  saying, oh, look, we're, we're lovers, Like we're just having a
• 46:33
  little spat or whatever. And the cops leave.
• 46:37
  They leave him there on her front door.
• 46:39
  No more questions, no more they're like oh OK, bye like
• 46:43
  which is fascinating to me because it it really something I
• 46:47
  love about K dramas is it reminds you there is no utopia.
• 46:51
  It seems like people are alike all over.
• 46:53
  Nobody listens to women with stuff like this.
• 46:55
  And it's it's weird because it's like, how do you even explain
• 46:59
  that? Like, oh, yeah, we showed up.
• 47:00
  But he said it was just a fight they were having.
• 47:02
  It's like that's a domestic disturbance.
• 47:04
  There's people screaming loud enough to wake neighbors and all
• 47:07
  that. Like, what do you mean you just
• 47:08
  leave? Like I don't it's.
• 47:11
  Troublesome. It's madding and obviously it
• 47:14
  ended with her losing her life. And for nothing completely.
• 47:18
  Avoidable. And we don't know.
• 47:20
  They don't tell us. Oh, she took out a restraining
• 47:21
  order on him. She did all this or whatever,
• 47:24
  but it shouldn't have to get that far.
• 47:28
  You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
• 47:31
  It shouldn't have to get that far.
• 47:32
  There was plenty of times to stop it.
• 47:34
  I do like in that episode that the uncle will see he's going on
• 47:38
  his run, like just training, and he sees this woman getting
• 47:41
  thrown to the floor and that Herman is just like, you know,
• 47:46
  degrading her, making her feel terrible, just abusing her in
• 47:49
  general. And he just runs past.
• 47:51
  Like, you know what? That's none of my business.
• 47:53
  But after that situation and realizing, oh, I can step in and
• 47:56
  do something. I can help someone.
• 47:58
  We understand why later because the first time he intervened for
• 48:03
  this kid who was getting beaten up by all these bullies, he took
• 48:07
  them on as a brother and all this.
• 48:08
  So, you know, of course he would be hesitant to try to step into
• 48:12
  another situation again. But I think that was a really
• 48:15
  cool moment for him because he's like, no, I, I have to do
• 48:18
  something about because he sees them fighting again.
• 48:20
  Beats the shit out of the dude. Yeah.
• 48:22
  Yeah, it emboldened him to do something about it.
• 48:25
  It's. A very pivotal episode.
• 48:27
  Yeah, it's. Super pivotal.
• 48:28
  Also you learn, I'm not sure if it's now or later but you do see
• 48:33
  in flashback form his childhood and how he did come from an
• 48:37
  abusive household where his father was a piss poor drunk and
• 48:40
  was constantly beating up on their mother and beating up on
• 48:43
  him too. That was gut run as a child
• 48:46
  screaming like just kill me and he's like I'll never give you
• 48:48
  what you want. I was like what the fuck?
• 48:51
  Oh my God. So I can understand from his
• 48:55
  point of view how he's like, I just don't want to get involved.
• 48:57
  Like this is more trouble than it's worth to insert myself into
• 49:01
  somebody else's story. And I feel like that is also a
• 49:03
  very pervasive Korean thought is like, mind your business.
• 49:08
  That's not my business. That's not my household.
• 49:10
  That has nothing to do with me. Yeah, it's and it's kind of like
• 49:14
  and. That's not really an American.
• 49:16
  That's not really an American ideal.
• 49:18
  I would say, no, it isn't. And I would like to make a call
• 49:20
  back to this, to the Squid Game episode that we had where this
• 49:25
  dude comes with all this food and he's mocking all these
• 49:27
  people and he starts like crow hopping on top of all the food
• 49:30
  and everything. And I think I mentioned like, if
• 49:32
  that happened in Washington Square Park or anywhere, that
• 49:35
  guy would have gotten his shit rocked so hard, so fast.
• 49:40
  But I don't see that in these Korean dramas.
• 49:42
  I'm not going to say that that's a direct reflection of their
• 49:44
  society. I don't know, but I do something
• 49:47
  that always throws me about all these Korean dramas.
• 49:49
  Someone's having a heart attack and collapsing to the ground.
• 49:52
  Someone's just, and people just walk by.
• 49:53
  Like it has nothing to do with me.
• 49:55
  Like everyone just walks by and it's weird.
• 49:58
  It's so weird and frustrating to watch like, like, help them up.
• 50:03
  They're on the floor like. Extended bystander effect.
• 50:08
  Yeah, it's weird, but. Instead of the bystander effect
• 50:10
  is, oh, somebody else will handle it.
• 50:12
  There's surely somebody else will come and help this person
• 50:14
  or take care of the situation. Call 911, whatever it is.
• 50:18
  I feel like in Korea, the bystander effect is no one's
• 50:21
  going to do anything about this, Why bother?
• 50:23
  Yeah, I hate it. It's weird.
• 50:28
  So that's. That's the episode that really
• 50:30
  stood out to me the most. That's the episode that we get
• 50:33
  so many different angles you see you go to expressing anger, not
• 50:36
  at himself or not in the form of frustration.
• 50:39
  So that was really cool. Seeing the uncle's character
• 50:41
  kind of grow past that bystander effect was also really nice.
• 50:46
  The did you notice something I wrote this down there was did
• 50:51
  you notice how many women in power there were in this show?
• 50:54
  Like, did that stand out to you at all?
• 50:55
  Like no. But ask me about it.
• 50:58
  Yeah, so there's like a lot of women in power here.
• 51:00
  Like you got the ringleader of the underground Fight Club, you
• 51:04
  have the prosecutor of this case, the main detective of this
• 51:08
  case, you have what was the name of this woman?
• 51:12
  We meet her in the episode where, Oh my God, the old man.
• 51:16
  Oh my God, yes, the the social worker.
• 51:20
  Yeah, we have so many women at the like.
• 51:23
  A lot of the major characters were women.
• 51:26
  That really stood out to me because that's not really
• 51:28
  common. I don't have anything to
• 51:30
  elaborate on that. I just found it pretty
• 51:31
  interesting. Yeah, I agree that there are a
• 51:35
  lot of female characters in this show that are movers and
• 51:39
  shakers, you know? Yeah.
• 51:42
  That's the best way to they're they're leaving an impact.
• 51:44
  And she recognizes specifically the prosecutors and detective,
• 51:48
  Detective, rather, she recognizes Godot's talent right
• 51:51
  away, doesn't make a big deal of it, but decides to kind of keep
• 51:55
  an eye on him. So love that.
• 51:58
  And that payoff is great, too. So yeah.
• 52:00
  You mentioned the social worker though that is played by Suyong
• 52:04
  from SNSD slash Girls' Generation.
• 52:07
  Oh yeah dude. Yeah.
• 52:11
  And that episode is one that really convicts you.
• 52:17
  Whether you agree or not, it's going to convict you in some
• 52:19
  way, shape or form. The story of the old man janitor
• 52:23
  who calls move to heaven trauma cleaning for himself and his
• 52:27
  wife who was in a long term care facility, but he checks her out
• 52:31
  and they commit suicide together.
• 52:36
  There's a lot. There's just a lot here.
• 52:37
  I mean, there's a lot in every single one of these episodes.
• 52:39
  But this one particular we talked about dignity in the non
• 52:44
  spoiler section. And I think that as we get older
• 52:48
  and, you know, the aging population as people get ill,
• 52:53
  there's a loss of dignity when it comes to long term care, when
• 52:57
  it comes to paying for long term care.
• 53:01
  And dying in some way, shape or form on your terms is really
• 53:06
  difficult to do. Absolutely.
• 53:09
  You're at, I mean, you're beholden to so many things.
• 53:12
  What your family wants, what the doctors want, what you know, and
• 53:16
  it's and especially at their age, it's like, what are we
• 53:19
  going to do? You know, like, how long is this
• 53:21
  going to go? Yeah, it was a very challenging
• 53:24
  episode it. Is challenging because they
• 53:26
  basically euthanize themselves. Yeah, they euthanize themselves.
• 53:30
  This has been pretty controversial for a while, yeah.
• 53:32
  Absolutely. Yeah.
• 53:33
  And the uncle is super black and white about it.
• 53:36
  He refuses to clean the rooftop apartment.
• 53:40
  He says he thinks it's cowardly and cruel to commit suicide.
• 53:43
  It's tantamount to murdering his wife, his Good Wife.
• 53:48
  There's no way to know if she wanted to die alongside of him.
• 53:52
  And he says they're going to hell.
• 53:54
  Like, he goes so far as to say, oh, they're going to hell.
• 53:56
  Guru is like, hey, like, we don't talk about that kind of
• 53:59
  shit around here. Yeah.
• 54:00
  Like immediately, like puts a stop to that because that's
• 54:03
  what's interesting about that, right?
• 54:05
  Okay, sure. I work in an underground Fight
• 54:08
  Club and yeah, I don't treat everybody the best.
• 54:11
  And sure, like, I'll see a woman getting beat within an inch of
• 54:14
  her life, but you know what I'm not going to do?
• 54:16
  I am not going to abide suicide because it's disgusting.
• 54:20
  And it's it's those very hypercritical, these very
• 54:25
  hypocritical and hypercritical moments of just like, oh, that's
• 54:28
  where your morality shows up to extrapolate all sorts of
• 54:33
  judgement from a situation you can impossibly understand.
• 54:36
  That's where I draw the line. And I think that that's this
• 54:40
  show is so well written because he would be the kind of dude to
• 54:44
  do that. Right.
• 54:45
  Yeah. Like to look at it and be like,
• 54:46
  oh, well, and then there's like a fear in there too.
• 54:48
  Like, I'm not going to go in there to clean up.
• 54:50
  Yeah. Like, he already wasn't that
• 54:52
  helpful to begin with, but he was like, I'm not going to go in
• 54:54
  there to clean up. That place is cursed.
• 54:56
  They took their lives. They're ungrateful.
• 54:57
  They're this. And it's like, oh, OK, right.
• 55:00
  You know, maybe you could help other people.
• 55:02
  Maybe you could find other ways to be, you know, to stand on
• 55:05
  principle of morality. But and we see that all the time
• 55:09
  that's you do. So, you know, in it's Sweden,
• 55:12
  right? I think it's Sweden.
• 55:14
  They've had a program for a while and you it takes months to
• 55:17
  get approved or whatever, but you can euthanize yourself.
• 55:20
  It's a very controversial process.
• 55:22
  This woman shared her story about it and everything, and
• 55:25
  it's controversial, but it always kind of fits into this
• 55:29
  episodes kind of narrative, you know, where is the line and how
• 55:34
  much choice do you actually have?
• 55:36
  Yeah, it's just yeah, in. This case, the old man had
• 55:39
  terminal pancreatic cancer. The infirmed wife had been
• 55:43
  basically bedridden for presumably years and was in this
• 55:49
  facility, was not living with him, needed 24/7 care, and she
• 55:54
  had been saving her sleeping pills for suicide and was trying
• 55:58
  to convince her husband to join her.
• 56:01
  She's like, let's go together. And once he gets that terminal
• 56:04
  diagnosis, he's like, I'm going to make your wish come true.
• 56:07
  He says fine, like let's do it, let's go together.
• 56:10
  Checks her out of the hospital when they go home and with
• 56:14
  pancreatic cancer, forget it. Like you only find out that you
• 56:17
  have it when it's too late. Like that's just a fact.
• 56:21
  The. Old Man was played by Zhong Dong
• 56:24
  Huang who is a prolific actor. He has been in things like When
• 56:29
  the Phone rings, Hotel Deluna and he was the dad in the airs.
• 56:33
  And then the old woman was played by Kanye Shim.
• 56:37
  Funny you brought up Squid Game. She is the season 2 mom and
• 56:40
  Squid Game player 149. And she's also been in a bunch
• 56:44
  of K dramas like A Virtuous Business and Tell Me That You
• 56:47
  Love Me. She actually got her starting K
• 56:49
  dramas a little later than Zhengdong Huang, but also a very
• 56:54
  well known face. I love this episode because
• 56:59
  there's a lot that's like, not really said.
• 57:01
  It's kind of cultural. They're living in a rooftop
• 57:04
  apartment and the rooftop apartments in Korea are cheaper.
• 57:09
  They're less desirable because they're so high up.
• 57:11
  There's no elevator, less and less installation.
• 57:14
  They're prone to extreme heat in the summer, extreme cold in the
• 57:17
  winter. It's almost like a temporary
• 57:19
  structure up there. It's not private because the
• 57:21
  rooftop is kind of like a backyard for everybody in the
• 57:24
  building. So everybody can come up to the
• 57:26
  rooftop and right outside your door, and it's almost a surefire
• 57:32
  sign that someone is living poorly.
• 57:35
  You know, it's kind of impoverished.
• 57:37
  It's like those maid chambers in Paris where you have that like,
• 57:41
  have you heard that? Like you know, the top of those
• 57:43
  buildings, they rent them out legally, illegally, but it's
• 57:46
  like an attic where the maid used to live or whatever.
• 57:50
  Like maybe 200 square meter apartment maybe super tiny
• 57:55
  window that looks out, same thing.
• 57:58
  They don't have AC anyway but it's burning hot.
• 58:00
  No insulation, no bathroom, no nothing.
• 58:02
  It's just you're like a border in that own room so not a good
• 58:06
  sign. You're either a student or
• 58:07
  you're broke. Yeah, exactly.
• 58:09
  So they're living up there, this old couple or the old man.
• 58:14
  And it's not until the uncle comes in and finds this tiny
• 58:18
  door leading to a beautiful greenhouse full of thriving
• 58:23
  flowers and plants. That too young, the social
• 58:28
  worker says. Does this look like something
• 58:29
  made by an evil man who killed his Good Wife?
• 58:31
  And. That's no he had such an
• 58:33
  appreciation for life. His whole bit with the flowers
• 58:37
  was amazing there. Was a lot of language of flowers
• 58:39
  in this episode he. Knew all the meanings of the
• 58:41
  flowers. He had written them all down.
• 58:43
  It was beautiful. It was so cool.
• 58:46
  It was, it was very beautiful. And a lot of those flowers that
• 58:49
  he grew himself or saved himself from people's garbage piles and
• 58:55
  things like that, they are the flowers that adorn their funeral
• 59:00
  and it's beautiful. It's just really sad.
• 59:04
  It's so moving I. Know I love the whole thing and
• 59:07
  even the language of flowers comes back towards the end of
• 59:10
  the episode when the social worker sends back pink dahlias
• 59:14
  to the uncle. The meaning of those are happy
• 59:18
  to know about your heart. That was so cute.
• 59:24
  Yeah. I love that.
• 59:25
  The moment where Gary tries to give the flowers back.
• 59:29
  I also that that was something that I really loved about this
• 59:32
  show is that he doesn't always get it right and he doesn't
• 59:34
  always get his way. So Guru keeps trying to do what
• 59:39
  he thought was right. He gets all these flowers, tries
• 59:42
  to give it back to the residents.
• 59:43
  He's like, and they're like, what the hell do I want that
• 59:45
  for? And he's dead.
• 59:46
  Are you trying to bring me a curse?
• 59:48
  Like what is this? And of course the only person
• 59:50
  who accepted it was the little girl which that was earth
• 59:53
  shattering, saving up her pocket money to buy him and and like an
• 59:57
  air con unit for his. Yeah.
• 1:00:00
  Like little office. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:03
  It was so sad and but he didn't like good doesn't always get
• 1:00:07
  what he wants and that's a really.
• 1:00:10
  He doesn't see how people would perceive it.
• 1:00:14
  Right, 'cause some. OK, what about the episode with
• 1:00:19
  the son and the mom? The mother who has dementia?
• 1:00:21
  Oh. Dude, Oh dude, that.
• 1:00:23
  One was gut. That's a that's even earlier
• 1:00:27
  that one I. Think that was the first one
• 1:00:29
  that they did without his dad, yeah.
• 1:00:31
  I think it's episode 2 where this episode the uncle moves in
• 1:00:36
  and then the old lady with dementia dies alone and there's
• 1:00:39
  a lot of maggots and bodily fluid on the floor and the money
• 1:00:44
  grubbing son and daughter-in-law are like throw everything out.
• 1:00:48
  We just want whatever money or bank book is in there.
• 1:00:52
  And he has to wash all that bodily like excretion, Yeah.
• 1:00:57
  It's. And he just does it because he's
• 1:00:59
  like, well, that's my job. So sure, he's like.
• 1:01:01
  Yeah, we can clean the money with chemicals and they're like,
• 1:01:04
  well, do it. I mean they're just so rude to
• 1:01:06
  him right off RIP. I actually have a note here.
• 1:01:12
  I I wrote this a couple of times and that was the first time I
• 1:01:15
  wrote it and I was like wow, everyone this trio encounters is
• 1:01:18
  collectively such a piece of shit.
• 1:01:20
  They are. And then later, by episode 6, I
• 1:01:24
  was like, why is everybody in this universe such a piece of
• 1:01:27
  shit? Like, it's, they're so horrible.
• 1:01:31
  They're so horrible. And they take him for granted.
• 1:01:35
  They take his work for granted. But there's a good kind of
• 1:01:38
  gotcha moment with that, right? She has dementia.
• 1:01:42
  She's walking around. And this whole time she was
• 1:01:44
  trying to save up. All she could think about was
• 1:01:46
  her son. That's it.
• 1:01:48
  We don't know what led them there.
• 1:01:50
  We don't know what led them to being estranged or anything.
• 1:01:53
  He always looked like a brat, even in like the flashback
• 1:01:56
  sequences. But this woman, she still had
• 1:02:00
  her own life. And even though she did the same
• 1:02:02
  thing every day, her mind never left the same thing.
• 1:02:05
  He finally, finally gives him the box and he's like, I don't
• 1:02:08
  want anything to this. You can't trick me into like
• 1:02:11
  confronting this situation, opens it and finds this nice
• 1:02:14
  little like nighty or like yes. This is thermal underwear, so I
• 1:02:18
  can explain this a little bit. So it's a tradition.
• 1:02:21
  It's an old tradition for sons and daughters to give red long
• 1:02:24
  underwear to their parents as a symbolic gift when they received
• 1:02:28
  their first monthly salary. Since houses were not heated in
• 1:02:32
  the past, long Johns were the best present for offering warmth
• 1:02:35
  and coziness. So it is an old Korean
• 1:02:37
  tradition. This happened in the 80s when
• 1:02:40
  the son got his first paycheck and he did give his mother, you
• 1:02:43
  know, red long Johns, red thermal.
• 1:02:47
  Underwear, she never used them. She was just so proud of the
• 1:02:50
  fact that her son actually got a job and he write, she writes on
• 1:02:53
  the and it was in 1988. 88, yeah.
• 1:02:56
  So everybody was struggling, You know, that's that ominous Korean
• 1:02:59
  year. And she's like, my son got his
• 1:03:02
  first job and the date that she received it.
• 1:03:04
  And I'm like, oh, I'm going to throw up.
• 1:03:07
  Like I'm so I'm so set like and it's she never stopped thinking
• 1:03:12
  about him. That's he's all she really cared
• 1:03:15
  about. So he's like, she was like, I'm
• 1:03:17
  going to get you a suit. I'm going to buy you a suit.
• 1:03:20
  And it becomes like her route every day.
• 1:03:22
  And it's just so gut wrenching. My God.
• 1:03:26
  You see all these pictures that she has.
• 1:03:27
  That one hit me the hardest because it's like when they're
• 1:03:30
  packing up her place, you see all of the stuff that she owns
• 1:03:34
  all these pictures, whatever. And you see her in these
• 1:03:36
  pictures, and it's like, I don't know what she envisioned for her
• 1:03:39
  life or who she wanted to be when she was an adult, but it
• 1:03:42
  definitely wasn't what she ended up as.
• 1:03:44
  Yeah, it's just so beautiful but also so sad.
• 1:03:47
  And you can't run away from your feelings, right?
• 1:03:49
  Because there's gonna be a kid with a yellow box who's gonna
• 1:03:53
  shove it onto you. And that's it.
• 1:03:55
  Like, you can run as far as you want.
• 1:03:57
  You can collect all the money. You're gonna confront it.
• 1:04:00
  So yeah, that. Was a a really moving episode
• 1:04:03
  and I agree that the dementia grandma with the thermal under
• 1:04:09
  Oh my God. Oh my shit, me out of here.
• 1:04:13
  Oh my. Shayla What did she think of the
• 1:04:18
  Doctor Who got sliced in the neck by a crazed patient and
• 1:04:23
  died in the Ed? But he was actually a closeted
• 1:04:27
  homosexual and his parents never accepted him and completely shut
• 1:04:33
  down his relationship with his cellist lover.
• 1:04:38
  It's amazing how you can be everything your parents want you
• 1:04:43
  to be, and if you do one thing that's out of line and they're
• 1:04:46
  not the right person, nothing you do will ever matter.
• 1:04:50
  So. I just like, closed my eyes for
• 1:04:54
  a second because like that was so spot on.
• 1:04:57
  He's like, like, he's a, he's a doctor, right?
• 1:05:00
  He's an accomplished, like, what else could he possibly owe you?
• 1:05:04
  You know what I mean? That story was really gut
• 1:05:07
  wrenching because it's another one.
• 1:05:09
  Like I was watching him like wow on Pride month, but then I
• 1:05:11
  realized it was like 4. Like the show's like 4 years
• 1:05:14
  old. The show.
• 1:05:15
  'S four years old, yeah, but. I thought that that was a really
• 1:05:18
  sad episode. It was just really terrible.
• 1:05:21
  But it also, it's not about, I want to word this really
• 1:05:24
  carefully because I don't want it to come off as like shifting
• 1:05:26
  responsibility or anything. But it's amazing.
• 1:05:29
  What keeps you tied down, right? He could have chosen himself.
• 1:05:33
  You know how final death is. Makes you realize it's like, OK,
• 1:05:38
  all these rules exist. All these expectations for me
• 1:05:40
  exist. How I live for myself exists.
• 1:05:43
  Until the 2nd I died. Then it was all for nothing
• 1:05:46
  because I could have just gone to San Francisco.
• 1:05:48
  I wouldn't have died. Also, it's always sad.
• 1:05:52
  It's always the wrong person to get killed, isn't it?
• 1:05:54
  That whole thing was just terrible.
• 1:05:56
  Wait, who should have died instead?
• 1:05:58
  Well. The craze, not him.
• 1:06:01
  The crazed. The crazed, the.
• 1:06:02
  OK, Yeah. Who's like, give me drugs?
• 1:06:05
  Give me drugs and holds a scalpel to a woman's neck like
• 1:06:08
  no one was getting out of that one alive but and then seeing
• 1:06:11
  his parents more his dad than anything like he's.
• 1:06:14
  Like a war dog. He looks like a clown.
• 1:06:17
  He's wearing like it's like he has all these ribbons and stuff,
• 1:06:20
  like he, he's like in full military regardless of burning
• 1:06:23
  all his son's things. That's like, you look so
• 1:06:26
  ridiculous, the fact. That they didn't.
• 1:06:27
  They were. They're the parents, Yeah.
• 1:06:30
  And he lived, I think, in their house.
• 1:06:35
  That's a question all about his he.
• 1:06:36
  Lived with them I think is how I interpreted it.
• 1:06:40
  And they did not clean out his room.
• 1:06:43
  They still hired out. I think it signals that they
• 1:06:47
  really didn't love him. They just expected things from
• 1:06:49
  the mom loved him. You could see grief, but there's
• 1:06:51
  a difference between the two. I see this a lot with a lot of
• 1:06:55
  parents, especially of queer children, gay children, any
• 1:06:58
  across the board or even outside of that through the lens of
• 1:07:02
  like, this is what we want you to do for a living.
• 1:07:04
  This is who you're being raised to be.
• 1:07:05
  The very Rory's going to Harvard thing, You know what I mean?
• 1:07:09
  Like you drill something onto someone for so long and the
• 1:07:12
  second they fall short of your expectations, that's not love
• 1:07:15
  anymore. You created a person, you're
• 1:07:18
  building up a person and no matter what they do, they could
• 1:07:21
  fall in line with everything you want.
• 1:07:22
  It's not going to be good enough because it's not going to be
• 1:07:24
  what you envisioned. That's not love, that's an
• 1:07:27
  expectation. That's a hope.
• 1:07:28
  That's an investment at best. In these parents mind, the
• 1:07:32
  mother showed some semblance of regret.
• 1:07:34
  She's like, you know, if we would have just let him go, he
• 1:07:37
  wouldn't even be dead. And the father refuses.
• 1:07:39
  He's like, well, it doesn't matter.
• 1:07:40
  It's better this way because I would have never accepted that
• 1:07:43
  and he wouldn't live right. The shame of it.
• 1:07:45
  Right, like at that point your priorities are your military
• 1:07:50
  legacy, what your war dog friends think.
• 1:07:53
  The thought of being embarrassed, the fear of maybe
• 1:07:56
  being embarrassed or humiliated or like you fell short
• 1:07:59
  supersedes anything good your son will ever do.
• 1:08:02
  There was never, he was never going to win anything with his
• 1:08:04
  parents, so he may as well firebounded and moved to San
• 1:08:07
  Francisco, I mean. The doctor was played by Kwan
• 1:08:11
  Suhyon who is most recently from Buried Hearts.
• 1:08:14
  He was in Cafe Minandong Record of Youth Abyss and 100 Million
• 1:08:21
  Stars falling from the Sky, AKA The Smile Has Left Your Eyes,
• 1:08:25
  which we have covered on the podcast feed.
• 1:08:29
  Yeah, I thought this was another really difficult episode.
• 1:08:32
  I don't know. Hearing Christmas music anytime
• 1:08:35
  outside of Christmas always brings a little tear to my eyes.
• 1:08:38
  So that Christmas song on a quartet of cellos?
• 1:08:43
  Come on, I it. Was beautiful, like it was like,
• 1:08:46
  Oh my God, and it was that should have been its own romance
• 1:08:49
  thing. Like it was a good romance and
• 1:08:53
  they were both very we. Missed out on a good BE elder.
• 1:08:55
  Yeah, that would have been a really good BL and it could have
• 1:08:58
  ended the same way. Maybe that'll be the spin off
• 1:09:00
  like we'll just. Ends in tragedy no matter what.
• 1:09:04
  I mean, don't they always? OK, so I'm going to move to the
• 1:09:08
  end of that episode. Guddu says He envies Mr. Ian,
• 1:09:12
  who is the cellist, because he got to hear from the doctor and
• 1:09:16
  receive this present. There must have been so many
• 1:09:20
  things that his dad wanted to tell him, but he never heard it,
• 1:09:23
  never got the chance. He swears up and down that his
• 1:09:28
  dad was not ashamed of him because every time he faced
• 1:09:31
  obstacles, every time he got bullied or he got kicked out of
• 1:09:34
  school because he was talking too much, he wouldn't shut up in
• 1:09:37
  school so they just he could not attend regular school.
• 1:09:40
  His father said not to worry, that it wasn't his fault.
• 1:09:44
  God. That was so gut wrenching.
• 1:09:46
  And that is such a simplistic but honest and innocent way to
• 1:09:51
  look at, you know, it's almost evidence based love.
• 1:09:56
  Yeah, yeah. It's like, well, that can't
• 1:09:58
  possibly be true because so the idea that he couldn't wrap his
• 1:10:02
  head around why this guy's dad just didn't love him or wouldn't
• 1:10:06
  accept him, he's like, I don't get it, right?
• 1:10:09
  And he's envious of the cellist because he got that closure.
• 1:10:15
  He got that final word from the doctor.
• 1:10:19
  And he was like, I never got that.
• 1:10:20
  I know that my dad had something to tell me, had more to say,
• 1:10:24
  more to give me. And he didn't get that chance.
• 1:10:28
  And like, I don't, I don't want to get emotional on the podcast,
• 1:10:33
  but like we all have those moments in our lives where we're
• 1:10:36
  like, there's things left unsaid and I can't, I can't have those
• 1:10:41
  words. No, you have to.
• 1:10:46
  It's funny because I was just having a conversation about this
• 1:10:48
  this morning. It gets to a point where it's
• 1:10:49
  like if you remember the things that were most important that
• 1:10:53
  you heard from someone before you lost them and you grow with
• 1:10:56
  them, they change shape. So this is like really whatever,
• 1:11:01
  but just hear me out. Like you'll take something that
• 1:11:04
  you hear and not only will it take shape, but you can kind of
• 1:11:08
  see it evolve. Everything you remember from
• 1:11:11
  someone that you lost. Good advice, bad advice, things
• 1:11:13
  you agree with, things that you don't.
• 1:11:15
  As you grow older and your perspective changes and it
• 1:11:17
  shifts and it morphs into something else, you can see
• 1:11:21
  everything you remember from them evolve with them.
• 1:11:25
  So that does live with you, but only if you choose to see it
• 1:11:28
  that way. But especially at the beginning,
• 1:11:31
  you're like, wow, I'm never going to hear anything new
• 1:11:34
  again. And I'm sure there was so much
• 1:11:36
  left on set. And it's just, how do you live
• 1:11:39
  with that? But Guru finds a way to do it,
• 1:11:42
  Yeah, in his own way. So it worked out for him, sort
• 1:11:46
  of. Stop it.
• 1:11:49
  And also he found the phone. Yes, he stop it.
• 1:11:52
  So one thing before we get to the phone in the final like
• 1:11:55
  couple of episodes is in episode 7, the uncle finds his older
• 1:12:01
  brother's business card, the move to Heaven business card in
• 1:12:05
  with Udaic's medical files. And he was diagnosed with
• 1:12:10
  chronic traumatic encephalopathy, CTE.
• 1:12:14
  And this is the biggest bullshit of the show actually, is that
• 1:12:18
  the only definitive diagnosis can occur during an autopsy.
• 1:12:23
  So the fact that he had a whole like medical diagnosis, he was
• 1:12:27
  printing out Google Sheets on CTE and the symptoms of CTE,
• 1:12:33
  that would never happen. You know, you don't know if you
• 1:12:36
  have CT until it's basically too late, until you're dead and they
• 1:12:40
  can crack open your brain and be like, oh shit, he or she was
• 1:12:43
  suffering from CTE. Symptoms of CTE occur in four
• 1:12:46
  stages, generally appear 8 to 10 years after an individual
• 1:12:50
  experiences repetitive mild traumatic brain injuries.
• 1:12:53
  I'm not sure if 8 to 10 years had even lapsed between when
• 1:12:58
  they meet and when he dies. Yeah, that's in it.
• 1:13:03
  It it just didn't track. I was like, oh, OK, because.
• 1:13:06
  We get a 10 years prior flashback when they meet, but
• 1:13:10
  that doesn't mean 10 years later, like in the present day,
• 1:13:13
  he had just died or he had just succumbed to his injury.
• 1:13:18
  Yeah, just doesn't it? Was like, OK, so it's only been
• 1:13:21
  several years, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:13:24
  All right, between that and oh, he fell in a coma after this,
• 1:13:27
  the Fight Club I. Mean, I guess they could have at
• 1:13:29
  least gone for like, oh, he has a TBI, you know what I mean?
• 1:13:33
  Like, yeah, or they could have gone in another way.
• 1:13:35
  But they don't have to make stuff up either, yeah.
• 1:13:37
  Like the CTE diagnosis that cannot be made in a living
• 1:13:40
  individual. There's no definitive test to
• 1:13:43
  prove the existence in a living person.
• 1:13:44
  So I'm sorry, like that part was not.
• 1:13:48
  They're usually good with stuff like that in Korean dramas
• 1:13:51
  'cause they're so medical heavy all the time.
• 1:13:53
  So I wonder why they chose to take creative liberty with that
• 1:13:57
  when they could have just gone with a TBI.
• 1:14:00
  Yeah, like, I don't get it speaking.
• 1:14:02
  Of the K drama of it all, the bookie bitch kidnaps Gudu in
• 1:14:07
  episode 8 just but then lets him go very easily.
• 1:14:13
  She's like, don't, don't make me stoop so low as to kill a kid.
• 1:14:16
  Like that's what she had said. She's like, don't make me do
• 1:14:19
  that. But that's where the show
• 1:14:22
  started getting a bit. Something that I liked about the
• 1:14:24
  show is it got kind of Boxcar Children, you know, like the
• 1:14:28
  three. It got very Hardy Boys for a
• 1:14:31
  second there. So when they kidnap him and he's
• 1:14:35
  just playing cards cuz I guess you know Rain Man but.
• 1:14:39
  I was thinking that, too. I was like, this is so Rain Man.
• 1:14:42
  He's just playing cards with the bodyguards.
• 1:14:45
  Yeah. OK, so wait, I just want to know
• 1:14:48
  who tipped off it was good too, right?
• 1:14:50
  Or who tipped off the detective about the underground fight?
• 1:14:55
  Yeah, it was good too. It was.
• 1:14:56
  Good too, right? Yeah.
• 1:14:57
  OK, Cool, cool, cool. OK, we have to talk about the
• 1:15:00
  first time I lost my shit in this show.
• 1:15:03
  Like truly lost my shit was the June 29th birthday ritual.
• 1:15:10
  On the same day every year, Guru goes out with his father and
• 1:15:14
  this is the first year that he went out by himself to have a
• 1:15:16
  picnic, quote UN quote with his dad.
• 1:15:19
  It's the amusement park, chicken restaurant, pizza, Chinese.
• 1:15:22
  And then they go to Sue in train station and do like a little
• 1:15:26
  like prayer and they put a little smooth river rock and do
• 1:15:31
  a like a Little River rock tower right by the train station.
• 1:15:35
  And that is when the uncle realizes that it's for him.
• 1:15:41
  It's on his birthday. And he's pissed and he's because
• 1:15:45
  he's like, great. Like, so you treat me like I'm
• 1:15:48
  dead, but you abandoned me. And then we find out this
• 1:15:52
  department store collapse, which apparently is a real thing
• 1:15:55
  that's. Absolutely true.
• 1:15:56
  That's 100%. It's like the biggest loss of
• 1:15:59
  casualties in a time of non war. And I was like, what?
• 1:16:02
  Because I saw the footage of this building collapsing and it
• 1:16:05
  was like, oh, it's real. It's totally real horrible,
• 1:16:09
  yeah. June 29th, 1995, Sampung
• 1:16:11
  Department Store in Sochodong, Seoul suddenly collapsed due to
• 1:16:15
  structural failure, which resulted in over 1000
• 1:16:18
  casualties, employees and guests.
• 1:16:21
  The 5th floor showed signs of collapse in the morning of a
• 1:16:23
  disaster. They ignored it and decided to
• 1:16:25
  stay open while fixing the problems.
• 1:16:26
  At 5:52 PM, the entire building collapsed in 20 seconds, making
• 1:16:31
  a pillar of dust. The damage estimates were 270
• 1:16:34
  billion won. A total of casualties included
• 1:16:38
  501 deaths, 6 disappearances and 937 injured.
• 1:16:43
  It was the biggest casualties since the Korean War.
• 1:16:46
  And this is all direct from Guru's mouth.
• 1:16:49
  It's true. And it's real and it's, I think
• 1:16:53
  it's the notion of like this, this was a part that gave me a
• 1:16:56
  tremendous amount of relief because the actor especially who
• 1:17:01
  plays good his father, he is like kindness humanized.
• 1:17:06
  Yeah, he has, like, whatever. He just looks very, very kind
• 1:17:12
  and very nice. So I was like, I really hope
• 1:17:14
  they don't pull A twist. Or I was like, oh, he just left
• 1:17:17
  them there to rot in this train station.
• 1:17:20
  So I was like, oh, thank God. Yeah.
• 1:17:21
  We did get an Instagram question that says what if the older
• 1:17:26
  brother actually did abandoned Sangu.
• 1:17:30
  I don't see it. So he was time and place is so
• 1:17:34
  important for this and also looking at their society.
• 1:17:38
  So it's 1980 what this happened 9595 ain't no social media.
• 1:17:45
  Ain't no none of that. OK.
• 1:17:47
  Like these are two runaways who are trying to find a way to live
• 1:17:52
  a new life without being found to begin with.
• 1:17:54
  Nobody knows that that kid is there.
• 1:17:56
  The older brother is older. He's not that much older.
• 1:17:59
  He's. Still in school?
• 1:17:59
  He's still in high school. Right.
• 1:18:01
  So the whole idea is pretty far far fetched, but they're doing
• 1:18:05
  what they think they have to do to survive to begin with.
• 1:18:08
  He gets into the department store.
• 1:18:10
  He buys the shoes that his brother wanted.
• 1:18:12
  Do you know how? Like, how long is it going to
• 1:18:14
  take to clean up that mess for him to regain consciousness?
• 1:18:18
  Yeah, they said. He was trapped for three days
• 1:18:21
  and then he was stuck in the hospital recovering.
• 1:18:24
  That's it. Like how is he ever going to
• 1:18:26
  find him again? Right.
• 1:18:28
  Yeah. The thing of that was they
• 1:18:29
  didn't want to be separated. The little boy was going to be,
• 1:18:33
  the uncle was going to be put in an orphanage.
• 1:18:37
  You know, that's like a, that's a bad look.
• 1:18:41
  There's a stereotype and a, a prevailing notion around
• 1:18:45
  orphans, right? In Korea.
• 1:18:48
  You don't know where they come from.
• 1:18:49
  There's a lot of mystery surrounding them.
• 1:18:51
  They could be anybody. They weren't raised right.
• 1:18:53
  You know, they didn't have parents or family to show them
• 1:18:56
  right from wrong. And so they could potentially
• 1:18:58
  turn out to be criminals. They could be murderers.
• 1:19:00
  You have no idea. So the brother was like, no, we
• 1:19:03
  can't be separated. I'll come and get you at the
• 1:19:05
  train station on your birthday. And it just never had this
• 1:19:09
  tragedy, had this very true tragedy happens.
• 1:19:11
  He gets stuck under a building. Yeah.
• 1:19:15
  And then he had to go to physical therapy and all this
• 1:19:17
  other. Yeah, he had.
• 1:19:18
  To completely get rehabilitated and it completely fractures
• 1:19:23
  their relationship. Yeah.
• 1:19:24
  Severs it completely we. See how they're treated.
• 1:19:27
  There's that episode with Matthew where he's looking for
• 1:19:30
  his mom, He is born, he's or he he's given up for an adoption.
• 1:19:35
  Nobody in Korea wants him so they ship them off to the US to
• 1:19:39
  go get adopted. Then they have no state status.
• 1:19:42
  It's a whole thing. So I don't buy the And also he
• 1:19:46
  bought all those Nikes anyway. He did make a concerted effort
• 1:19:49
  to try to find him, but I'm sure there's privacy laws around
• 1:19:53
  that. Like you can't.
• 1:19:54
  Even if a social worker or something saw that he was
• 1:19:56
  looking from, they can't. Just why?
• 1:19:57
  Would they give that information to a teenager?
• 1:20:00
  Yeah, and why would they give it to anyone knowing the situation
• 1:20:03
  this kid is coming out of? That could be somebody dangerous
• 1:20:06
  from his previous life. And then at this point, I, I
• 1:20:09
  wouldn't, I didn't buy it. And I'm glad that they didn't go
• 1:20:11
  in that direction. That was going to be really,
• 1:20:13
  really annoying. If they did, it wouldn't have
• 1:20:16
  fit. Uh huh.
• 1:20:17
  So especially with how we find out how the Father finds Gudu to
• 1:20:20
  begin with. Yeah.
• 1:20:23
  Oh, no. Stop.
• 1:20:25
  That if you have anything else, because if we're getting there,
• 1:20:29
  that was the episode that was just like.
• 1:20:31
  Well, I'll say so. I did break down when Sangu the
• 1:20:35
  uncle finds all the Nikes and he finds like the little the little
• 1:20:40
  baby Nike. I, I like lost it.
• 1:20:41
  It was. So sad.
• 1:20:42
  I was like and a. Little like that kind of was it.
• 1:20:46
  Then we get episode 9, which is when we get Matthew Green's
• 1:20:49
  story. The Korean American adoptee from
• 1:20:52
  New York got deported because he's undocumented.
• 1:20:54
  And that is a very real story, right?
• 1:20:58
  I remember Were you with me when we watched Blue Bayou.
• 1:21:00
  No, I wasn't. Oh damn, I thought you were.
• 1:21:03
  So the movie Blue Bayou is also about this very real thing, you
• 1:21:08
  know, this pervasive adoption story that is very painful for a
• 1:21:12
  lot of Koreans. And she's not the mother.
• 1:21:17
  And it's like the news broadcaster who feels very close
• 1:21:21
  to Matthew Green and, you know, stitched his name onto, like,
• 1:21:27
  the baby blouse and stuff like that before he left her house as
• 1:21:31
  a teenager. She does this beautiful
• 1:21:33
  broadcast in honor of him and it is all about this story, right
• 1:21:39
  we. Need to do better.
• 1:21:40
  The government over 60. Five years 200,000 Korean kids
• 1:21:42
  stand away for overseas adoption and how this is a great dishonor
• 1:21:48
  to Korea, which becomes known as the biggest baby exporter of the
• 1:21:52
  20th century. It's humiliating, it's.
• 1:21:54
  Humiliating and she calls the. Thing with choosing, like
• 1:21:58
  choosing where the morals show up, you can't just get rid of
• 1:22:01
  all these human beings just to hold up an image because then
• 1:22:04
  the image is worthless. It's crazy that that happens as
• 1:22:08
  often as it does. And that's how they've
• 1:22:09
  officially decided. I don't know if they still do it
• 1:22:11
  now. They do, I imagine right?
• 1:22:13
  Or. It's getting better, is my
• 1:22:16
  understanding of it. But there are still headlines of
• 1:22:21
  people saying, you know, it was the 80s, it was the 70s and, you
• 1:22:26
  know, my mom couldn't take care of me and she put me through the
• 1:22:29
  system and told them specifically that she was going
• 1:22:33
  to come back for me. She made every effort to build a
• 1:22:36
  home so that she could pick me up and Take Me Home.
• 1:22:38
  And when she went back for me, I was already adopted overseas.
• 1:22:42
  They just went like, sent me away.
• 1:22:44
  That's. Insane.
• 1:22:46
  It's. Been a great source of
• 1:22:49
  humiliation for Korea. It's only getting semi rectified
• 1:22:53
  now. That's a long time to hold on to
• 1:22:55
  something that draconian, but sure.
• 1:22:59
  So this was a very heartbreaking story.
• 1:23:03
  They're they're all heartbreaking stories.
• 1:23:04
  But episode 10, we're going to skip to episode 10, which is the
• 1:23:08
  finale. I was laughing that the uncle's
• 1:23:11
  fight name is Nightmare. And then the opponent's name, he
• 1:23:14
  was a Russian and his name was Hellraiser.
• 1:23:17
  And I was like, shoot, All right, OK, sure.
• 1:23:26
  I'll tell you. I at this point, this is the
• 1:23:29
  point in the show where I started crying and I couldn't
• 1:23:31
  stop. It was when Guddu comes into his
• 1:23:36
  dad's room and does the trauma cleaning.
• 1:23:39
  Trauma cleans his own dad's room, and he does his ritual
• 1:23:42
  speech that says, you know, my name is so and so I'm here for
• 1:23:45
  move to heaven. And I'm going to help you on
• 1:23:47
  your move to heaven. Yeah.
• 1:23:49
  Packs up all his stuff, his own dad.
• 1:23:51
  It's gut wrenching. I.
• 1:23:53
  Was a puddle. I was a puddle.
• 1:23:55
  Absolutely. Just it.
• 1:23:59
  It was just so sad. It was so.
• 1:24:01
  Sad but the. Final stage of the phone doesn't
• 1:24:03
  hit it. It is.
• 1:24:05
  And that's the scene that really got me was actually just before
• 1:24:09
  that when Gooder runs away and he goes to the aquarium back in
• 1:24:13
  Busan that like I fell apart completely because he doesn't
• 1:24:18
  understand what's going on directly.
• 1:24:21
  The freshness of my dad being because you forget very quickly.
• 1:24:25
  You start forgetting things very quickly.
• 1:24:28
  So when he's saying I can't hear his voice anymore, he's
• 1:24:31
  forgetting. And how familiar his dad's voice
• 1:24:34
  really was like it his he's starting to time is starting to
• 1:24:38
  pass and he's starting to forget.
• 1:24:40
  And when he starts panicking at the aquarium and his uncle shows
• 1:24:44
  up and he it's when he finally realizes because it's his
• 1:24:48
  version of what we all do with grief.
• 1:24:50
  You throw yourself into work, you throw yourself into your
• 1:24:52
  friendships. You get really busy, you get
• 1:24:54
  very determined. And he's finally having this
• 1:24:56
  moment of I'm never going to see my dad again.
• 1:24:59
  This is it. Like he, he's not going to be
• 1:25:01
  here to say good job. He's not going to be here for
• 1:25:03
  this. And that was so gut wrenching to
• 1:25:05
  me because because it's just like, oh, he's getting it now.
• 1:25:09
  It's finally hitting him now that all of these different
• 1:25:12
  things are either way, the adrenaline has dropped.
• 1:25:14
  He has to reconcile with this. But it's also such a beautiful
• 1:25:17
  moment because then he realizes, like, at least I have my uncle
• 1:25:20
  here and I want to have my uncle here.
• 1:25:22
  But it that part just destroyed me completely it.
• 1:25:26
  Destroyed me when he says I don't like this.
• 1:25:30
  Yes, he says. I don't like this.
• 1:25:32
  And I'm like, I just want to like pull him in for a hug, even
• 1:25:36
  though he doesn't like hugs, because who does, right?
• 1:25:40
  It's such a real global sentiment of like, I don't want
• 1:25:45
  to go through this. I don't like this look all this
• 1:25:48
  that. Shit.
• 1:25:50
  Sucks and he's going through it and he he has to confront it.
• 1:25:56
  He has to confront the reality. I love that he and when he's
• 1:26:00
  trauma cleaning the room and he's undoing the closet and he
• 1:26:03
  picks up his dad's clothes and he just like lifts it up to his
• 1:26:07
  face. He just like, breathes it in and
• 1:26:10
  I'm like, that's something that I wish we don't have that right,
• 1:26:13
  that capability to smell what the characters are smelling as
• 1:26:17
  we're watching media, right? Television shows or movies or
• 1:26:20
  whatever. But that is very real.
• 1:26:23
  Scent is such a powerful tool for memory.
• 1:26:27
  So is taste and all the senses. I'll tell you, one of the most
• 1:26:31
  visceral memories was a few years ago.
• 1:26:35
  My aunts used to make pumpkin bread every holiday season, like
• 1:26:39
  in Mass, and give out the loaves to all of their friends, you
• 1:26:44
  know, at work, at church, everywhere.
• 1:26:46
  And I remember going over to their house and just watching
• 1:26:49
  them, watching them with this assembly line of pumpkin bread
• 1:26:54
  and the way everything smelled and the way they looked.
• 1:26:56
  And it's just, like, transported.
• 1:26:59
  A few years ago, during the pandemic, I think, my mom bought
• 1:27:02
  some pumpkin bread just from the store, and I picked it up
• 1:27:06
  without thinking and took one bite.
• 1:27:10
  And the taste of it, it was like in a movie, like a montage of
• 1:27:15
  all of these memories, just like flashing through.
• 1:27:18
  And it was so intense. Like it just hit me right in my
• 1:27:23
  chest. All of the memories, the taste,
• 1:27:26
  the smell, like I was back in their house, you know, 1520
• 1:27:30
  years ago. And it completely gagged me.
• 1:27:34
  I took one bite and I couldn't even swallow it.
• 1:27:36
  I was just, like, frozen. And I remember my mom going,
• 1:27:39
  hey, how's the pumpkin bread? Does it taste good?
• 1:27:41
  And I was like, it's good. That's all I could manage was
• 1:27:45
  just, it's good. And it took me, like, several
• 1:27:49
  months to be like, hey, remember that pumpkin bread you bought,
• 1:27:51
  like, in November? Yeah, that like wrecked me
• 1:27:54
  because it took me back. And that's just one moment.
• 1:27:58
  I'm sure everyone has their own particular moment where they
• 1:28:01
  were walking through a Macy's and they smelled their
• 1:28:05
  grandmother's perfume or their, you know, something that they
• 1:28:08
  just. It makes them instantly
• 1:28:11
  remember, instantly nostalgic and freezes them.
• 1:28:16
  And it's, it's also the most innocuous things to like, it's
• 1:28:21
  the most innocuous silly things. Like I had a situation like that
• 1:28:26
  with Starbucks. Like, I was at a Starbucks of
• 1:28:29
  all places. Like, OK, I'm here doing my
• 1:28:30
  thing. And I hear the song.
• 1:28:33
  It wasn't Duran Duran. It was Eyes Without a Face by
• 1:28:37
  Billy Idol. And so I was like, OK, yeah,
• 1:28:40
  like, I'm just trying to keep it together because my mom always
• 1:28:43
  listened to literally nothing but 80s music.
• 1:28:45
  And then Duran Duran comes on and I'm like, OK.
• 1:28:49
  And then another song. It's the this is so stupid.
• 1:28:53
  I'm going to brace you for this because it's so stupid.
• 1:28:55
  You know that song I come from the land down on?
• 1:28:58
  Yes. That comes on and I start
• 1:29:01
  fucking sobbing. Yeah, with like a cold brew.
• 1:29:04
  And I'm like, Nah. And just like running.
• 1:29:06
  And so I was like, OK. And so watching that happen and
• 1:29:11
  just how he, It's also so symbolic, the way that he would
• 1:29:13
  never give his dad a hug because it really does hurt.
• 1:29:16
  The name I'm going to start crying.
• 1:29:18
  It hurts their nerves to just, you know, like it's very
• 1:29:21
  uncomfortable because it's so, you know, binding.
• 1:29:24
  So seeing him really embrace the shirt, like undid me.
• 1:29:28
  It's like, Oh my God, no, it's Oh my God, the sticker, the I
• 1:29:33
  love you sticker. Oh my God, Yep.
• 1:29:35
  So many little Yeah, I. Know, I know.
• 1:29:41
  But he seems well taken care of though, right?
• 1:29:43
  Like now. That's why I love that the uncle
• 1:29:45
  came around. He grew from it.
• 1:29:47
  Yeah, but that was brutal. It was it was and then the last
• 1:29:50
  part of the show that really, you know, this was the Niagara,
• 1:29:54
  like me in a barrel pushed over Niagara Falls was this moment it
• 1:29:59
  was He hugs the memorial trees, Yes, of his dad with the.
• 1:30:04
  Plaques. That was so.
• 1:30:07
  And then you hear in voice over, what did I always say to you?
• 1:30:10
  Although you can't see someone, it doesn't mean they're not with
• 1:30:13
  me. As long as you remember they are
• 1:30:15
  not gone. Oh.
• 1:30:16
  My God I hate it. I hate it and they.
• 1:30:19
  Made and they made me really love the dad so much yeah so
• 1:30:23
  like just the. Father Christmas level just.
• 1:30:26
  So like kind understanding person and then dad and I'm
• 1:30:29
  like, OK, wow. Like this sucks.
• 1:30:33
  Yeah, but it was beautiful. It was right.
• 1:30:35
  Like, I mean, the resolution is great.
• 1:30:38
  It has it has really funny moments.
• 1:30:41
  It was there a moment that actually like, you know, we've
• 1:30:43
  done the set, like we'll we'll be here all day.
• 1:30:45
  If we talk about what made us said.
• 1:30:47
  Was there anything that made you bust out laughing in this?
• 1:30:49
  OK, so when they go to the funeral for the old man and the
• 1:30:52
  old woman who euthanized themselves, the uncle goes and
• 1:30:58
  sees another funeral that's happening for some important
• 1:31:01
  director at some conglomerate. And there's tons of funeral
• 1:31:05
  wreaths, flower wreaths around. And he goes to steal one.
• 1:31:09
  And as soon as he turns around, Gudu is there and he's like
• 1:31:14
  thief. And he starts like pointing at
• 1:31:16
  him and screaming thief. That was historical to me.
• 1:31:20
  That was so funny. That took me out like, and he's
• 1:31:24
  like learning in real time, like the ends can justify the means
• 1:31:28
  sometimes, yet he's trying to learn to be a little more
• 1:31:30
  flexible. Yeah, that was such a fun, like
• 1:31:33
  moment. Just like they're not using it
• 1:31:35
  anyway. They have like 1000 of these.
• 1:31:37
  Like we need to bring something. I laughed when they go when the
• 1:31:43
  uncle first shows up to the house it was after like no you
• 1:31:46
  can't sleep in my daddy's room yes and honestly good like no
• 1:31:50
  you can't but like no you can eat on the floor in the living
• 1:31:55
  room by but when I. Don't know you.
• 1:32:00
  This cracked me up and kind of he's like, well, he's not using
• 1:32:04
  the room. He's like, it's my dad's room,
• 1:32:06
  It's my dad's room. You can't and you know, miss
• 1:32:08
  next door decides like she's there and she's like, you can't
• 1:32:11
  use the room no matter what. It's not going to happen.
• 1:32:14
  Well, where am I supposed to sleep?
• 1:32:15
  And they do that classic like rough cut joke and it there's a
• 1:32:19
  tent in the living room. The.
• 1:32:21
  Yes, the can you see? It slowly like unzipping, like
• 1:32:26
  the door falls and he's there with this really pissed look.
• 1:32:32
  I'll give you, I'll give you one last one.
• 1:32:34
  So when they go to the the cellist concert for the quartet
• 1:32:40
  next door is like, Oh yeah, you're not going to like this
• 1:32:42
  kind of music for sure. And was kind of like
• 1:32:45
  disrespecting uncle. Yeah.
• 1:32:48
  You cut too. They're actually in the concert.
• 1:32:51
  Home Girl is falling asleep in the cello quartet concert, while
• 1:32:55
  Uncle Sangu is wide awake, excited, clapping
• 1:32:59
  enthusiastically at the end of the song.
• 1:33:01
  Love that I. Loved it, I loved it.
• 1:33:05
  There's so many little charming moments throughout everything.
• 1:33:08
  Despite itself, there was so much humor in the show, and I
• 1:33:11
  loved it. Yeah.
• 1:33:12
  Wait. Was a quick little stray
• 1:33:15
  observation I had about that, though.
• 1:33:16
  Was that supposed to be like, a shocking twist?
• 1:33:19
  Like we know he was going to be with a guy from the beginning,
• 1:33:21
  right? And.
• 1:33:21
  No, I think that was supposed to be shocking.
• 1:33:24
  Was. That supposed to be?
• 1:33:24
  Oh yeah. Were you shocked?
• 1:33:26
  I mean, the first time I saw it, I was like, OK, not very
• 1:33:30
  shocked, but I totally understand how if you assume
• 1:33:34
  that it's going to be one of the three female cellist, how would
• 1:33:39
  be really shocking that it's the male cellist who's the lover?
• 1:33:44
  OK, I could see how they set that up.
• 1:33:46
  I thought that I was like projected from space though.
• 1:33:48
  I was like, OK, when are we going to find out that it was
• 1:33:51
  the guy? But.
• 1:33:52
  No, it's very obvious on the rewatch, but when I first
• 1:33:56
  watched it, I was like, OK, I mean, it's still I had a very
• 1:34:00
  muted reaction than if I was maybe Korean or up closer to
• 1:34:05
  that culture. That's.
• 1:34:06
  True. Yeah.
• 1:34:07
  OK yeah. Oh, I love the I love the
• 1:34:11
  diversity of the lives of the victims, too Oh yeah.
• 1:34:13
  Like I do like that we had a good young and old.
• 1:34:16
  We had a mix. We had a young guy trying to
• 1:34:18
  make it work. We didn't talk about that first
• 1:34:20
  one. The very, very first one were
• 1:34:22
  the kids. Oh, the.
• 1:34:23
  Workplace accident I have. To ask you, because you're way
• 1:34:26
  more in this, is it true hospitals close over there?
• 1:34:30
  Is that really a thing Like the hospitals closed tonight?
• 1:34:34
  I've heard about this as a rumor.
• 1:34:36
  I don't know but like. I know it's like that in Japan.
• 1:34:39
  Like in Japan there are like, of course they have an emergency
• 1:34:42
  service if it's like very life or death, but apparently they
• 1:34:46
  close. So even though his leg was all
• 1:34:48
  like. Mangled, you know.
• 1:34:49
  Crunched in and mangled. He couldn't go to a doctor.
• 1:34:53
  Is that I know this is so. Is that a thing?
• 1:34:56
  So I think that one had more to do with not I don't think it was
• 1:35:02
  necessarily that the hospital was closed for the night.
• 1:35:05
  I think it was also the fact that they were pressuring him
• 1:35:07
  not to get any emergency service on the on the so they.
• 1:35:12
  Didn't have to, yeah. They were like, you didn't get,
• 1:35:16
  you know, they were pressuring him and kind of gaslighting him
• 1:35:19
  into not getting help. Got it.
• 1:35:21
  OK, trying to silence him and claim that the company holds no
• 1:35:25
  liability, even though there's a ton of evidence on his phone and
• 1:35:29
  in the text messages exchange that this was clearly, you know,
• 1:35:33
  coercion on the part of the company.
• 1:35:35
  Like come into work, fix this thing after hours.
• 1:35:39
  Avoidable. All the things, the people that
• 1:35:42
  showed up at his funeral to manhandle the mom and make her
• 1:35:46
  sign an NDA or pay her off or whatever it was very.
• 1:35:50
  And she was deaf and mute. She.
• 1:35:51
  Was deaf and mute. And at this point the dad is
• 1:35:54
  still alive and the dad speaks on her behalf, like translates
• 1:35:59
  on her behalf because he knows sign language.
• 1:36:02
  When Guddu was younger he was nonverbal and so he that's when
• 1:36:07
  he learned sign language. It's very sad to see how they
• 1:36:13
  basically took advantage of a disabled person.
• 1:36:16
  Yeah, and they tried to get ahead of it on top of that.
• 1:36:19
  So what a good show though. Oh yeah, I think we ended up
• 1:36:23
  talking about every single one of the.
• 1:36:25
  I think so too. I This whole show left a really
• 1:36:28
  strong impression on me. I really liked it.
• 1:36:30
  I'm going to see it again in a few years if yeah, I think four
• 1:36:34
  years is a good amount of time. I.
• 1:36:35
  Circled back several years later, I still I was still a
• 1:36:40
  wailing mess by the end. If you've come this far and we
• 1:36:44
  spoiled the whole show for you, highly recommend going and
• 1:36:47
  watching for yourself. It is a beautiful pandemic show
• 1:36:51
  and that's that's pretty much it.
• 1:36:53
  I had no other thoughts, did you?
• 1:36:55
  I have one more OK, and it's really small and I can't really
• 1:36:58
  expand on it. So do it this what you will.
• 1:37:01
  All right, good. It is like fascination with the
• 1:37:04
  the marine animals, like the Stingrays and stuff.
• 1:37:07
  When he goes. I just don't want yellow to die.
• 1:37:10
  I never want yellow to die. I never want yellow to die over
• 1:37:12
  and over. And I'm like, oh, there's more
• 1:37:14
  yellow again. I don't take from that way.
• 1:37:17
  You will. Yeah.
• 1:37:18
  But like, he gravitated towards that really hard.
• 1:37:21
  Yeah. And yellow seems to be a pretty
• 1:37:23
  big theme throughout the show. I'm not sure what it means, but
• 1:37:26
  if somebody out there watches it and gets something out of it,
• 1:37:30
  you know, run it back, I guess. But that stood out to me, too.
• 1:37:33
  Anyway, sorry. That's it.
• 1:37:35
  That's all I got. OK.
• 1:37:36
  I like it. Miguel, thank you so much for
• 1:37:38
  coming on the show once again. Do you want to plug anything at
• 1:37:42
  all or? Not today.
• 1:37:44
  OK, I'll plug this show. Keep coming back.
• 1:37:47
  Keep listening. Thank you Endow People.
• 1:37:52
  Well, that's been our show. I'm Jessica and this has been
• 1:37:55
  the Tebaki Rambles podcast.