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"Ginni Leaked It!" (Live at The Chicago Theatre!") · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: What's up, Chicago? Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Alyssa Mastromonaco.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Jon Lovett. I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 1: Also joining us here tonight, Michigan State Senator Mallory McMorrow.
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  Speaker 3: So, here's the thing. Tommy has COVID. He's not here.
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  Speaker 1: He's fine. He's okay.
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  Speaker 3: He's fine. Pray for Tommy. But the... Here's my question.
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  Speaker 1: If we had.
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  Speaker 3: What did you say?
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  Speaker 4: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was a compliment for me.
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  Speaker 5: Hold on a second. Hold on a second. I don't
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  Speaker 5: know if this is your first time at this show.
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  Speaker 5: If you want to shout something, you can try it.
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  Speaker 5: You better be confident. You better be articulate. But I'll
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  Speaker 5: tell you, if you interrupt me again to praise one
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  Speaker 5: of them, you're out.
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  Speaker 3: That's one. Second, here was my question.
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  Speaker 5: If we had said Tommy sent in a video message
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  Speaker 5: and then played two seconds of the Madison Cawthorn video,
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  Speaker 5: applaud if you know the video.
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  Speaker 3: It would have worked.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty close. It would have worked.
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  Speaker 3: I think it would have worked.
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  Speaker 1: We weren't sure. We weren't sure if you'd get it. Otherwise,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of horrifying just to say that. We're coming
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  Speaker 1: in fresh. All right, let's get to the news. And
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  Speaker 1: let's get pissed off about it. This week, Politico obtained
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  Speaker 1: a draft Supreme Court decision written by Justice Samuel Alito
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  Speaker 1: that would overturn Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey,
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  Speaker 1: thereby ending the constitutional right to an abortion in America.
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  Speaker 1: Chief Justice John Roberts confirmed the authenticity of the draft,
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  Speaker 1: but said that it doesn't represent the court's final position
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  Speaker 1: and that he's directed the Supreme Court Marshal, that's still
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  Speaker 1: a thing, to investigate the leak. The final decision in
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  Speaker 1: Dobbs versus Jackson women's health will likely come sometime in June,
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  Speaker 1: and if it reflects the leaked draft, abortion would be
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  Speaker 1: protected in only 22 states. Republicans reacted to the story
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  Speaker 1: by throwing a shit fit over the leak itself. with
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  Speaker 1: assholes like Ron DeSantis calling the leak the real insurrection,
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  Speaker 1: while President Biden and Democrats around the country have vowed
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  Speaker 1: to take whatever action they can to protect abortion access.
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  Speaker 1: So I just want to start with everyone's reactions to
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  Speaker 1: the news and to Alito's draft opinion. Alyssa, you want
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  Speaker 1: to start?
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  Speaker 6: Well, my reaction was one of, I was shocked, but
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  Speaker 6: not shocked.
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  Speaker 2: If that makes sense.
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  Speaker 6: I couldn't believe that it was happening, but thought it
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  Speaker 6: was going to happen. I don't think that, I mean,
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  Speaker 6: if I'm being honest, I didn't think that it would
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  Speaker 6: go so far.
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  Speaker 2: I expected Roe would be eroded. I didn't think.
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  Speaker 6: That Justice Alito would dig so deep down into the
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  Speaker 6: darkest parts of his soul as.
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  Speaker 2: To, you know, be like, you know what, fuck it. Ro,
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  Speaker 2: never should have happened.
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  Speaker 6: Let me write an essay telling you why. I was
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  Speaker 6: really mad less at him and more at all of
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  Speaker 6: the people who have called Aaron and I hysterical when
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  Speaker 6: we've been saying this was going to happen for almost
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  Speaker 6: 200 episodes.
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  Speaker 2: We are news.
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  Speaker 6: Witches, but we did not want to be right about this.
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  Speaker 6: So I was, I mean, honestly, like physically I was
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  Speaker 6: sick because I know what it means to to so
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  Speaker 6: many people for this to happen. I mean, for me,
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  Speaker 6: I had shock, but for a lot of people who
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  Speaker 6: heard that, they had terror and panic.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's how I felt.
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  Speaker 1: Love it.
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  Speaker 3: I felt the opposite.
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  Speaker 2: That shocks me zero.
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  Speaker 5: I would say, when we first saw it, it was
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  Speaker 5: very shocking to see But as Alyssa said, we've been
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  Speaker 5: talking about this for months. We were planning for June
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  Speaker 5: to have a plan ready in the event of a
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  Speaker 5: ruling because we knew there were really only two outcomes
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  Speaker 5: ahead of us. And we actually still don't know which
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  Speaker 5: outcome is ahead of us technically. They were going to
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  Speaker 5: either heavily restrict access to abortion and access to reproductive care,
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  Speaker 5: or they were going to overturn Roe, both as a
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  Speaker 5: horrible outcome, both immediately empowers a.
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  Speaker 3: Lot of states to put in place laws. In many cases,
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  Speaker 3: they've already passed, right?
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  Speaker 5: It looks the same in many regards, but it was
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  Speaker 5: shocking to see it I think it is the difference
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  Speaker 5: in seeing a draft ruling. It is the difference between
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  Speaker 5: someone saying, hey, we're going to crash and like pulling
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  Speaker 5: your face back.
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  Speaker 3: Off of the airbag. It was like we were seeing it.
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  Speaker 3: This is the text.
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  Speaker 5: This could be the text we see in just a
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  Speaker 5: matter of weeks. And I think it's one thing to
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  Speaker 5: know it's coming. But I think a lot of people
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  Speaker 5: suddenly felt the emotions of how real it's going to be,
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  Speaker 5: not just for them, but for people everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: Very much agree with that.
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  Speaker 7: Like you can know something's coming and still have it
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  Speaker 7: feel horrible when it happens. Because we knew this was
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  Speaker 7: possible when Anthony Kennedy resigned and was placed by Brett Kavanaugh.
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  Speaker 7: We knew it was probable when Ruth Bader Ginsburg passed
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  Speaker 7: away and was replaced by Amy Coney Barrett. But to
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  Speaker 7: read it in its full and to have it written
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  Speaker 7: out like that really, I think, helps flesh out just
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  Speaker 7: how horrific this is.
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  Speaker 3: And in that opinion, Alito, who seems.
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  Speaker 7: Like a real piece of work, he has his footnote
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  Speaker 7: where he lists all these cases to try to explain,
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  Speaker 7: to show that, look, this is not unusual evidence. for
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  Speaker 7: us to overturn long-standing precedent. We've overturned all these cases.
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  Speaker 7: But in almost all the ones he cites, he's talking
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  Speaker 7: about Plessy v. Ferguson, Loving v. Regina, all cases that
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  Speaker 7: were overturned for the purpose of giving people more rights.
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  Speaker 7: And what has happened here is the first time this
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  Speaker 7: has happened in recent memory is that the Supreme Court
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  Speaker 7: is taking a constitutional right away from millions and millions
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  Speaker 7: of people. And to understand that is to think about
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  Speaker 7: it in terms of what is really happening here and
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  Speaker 7: just how a big and important deal this is and
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  Speaker 7: what a turning point this is. It's sort of a
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  Speaker 7: hinge point in our history.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It also was striking how emboldened this majority on
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  Speaker 1: the Supreme Court feels. Like the Supreme Court, people could argue,
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  Speaker 1: is the most institutionalist of the three institutions that govern us.
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  Speaker 1: And usually they have careful language, even though they're trying
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  Speaker 1: to have a political end with one opinion or the other.
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  Speaker 1: But Sam Alito, in this opinion, it was just mask off.
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  Speaker 2: He let his freak flag fly.
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  Speaker 1: Let his freak flag fly. Full, as the strict scrutiny
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  Speaker 1: ladies say, full Trollito.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, let's not forget, Sam Alito heckled Barack Obama at
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  Speaker 7: the State of the Union.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: I forgot about that.
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  Speaker 5: You know, one expert, he burned witches in the 1600s,
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  Speaker 5: thinks abortion should never be allowed. You turn the page,
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  Speaker 5: you have to expect to see one of those phrenology maps.
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  Speaker 5: With like different parts of women's brains that show where
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  Speaker 5: they shouldn't be allowed to make certain decisions.
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  Speaker 3: Like that's the intellectual level.
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  Speaker 1: He made a eugenics argument. He had a eugenics footnote
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  Speaker 1: in there. That was crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Citing Clarence Thomas.
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  Speaker 1: Citing Clarence Thomas, yeah. That's it. So Alyssa, what does
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  Speaker 1: an America without the protections of Roe and Casey look like?
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  Speaker 1: Like what happens next should this be the opinion that
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  Speaker 1: we get in June?
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  Speaker 6: So this question solidifies my place here as being not
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  Speaker 6: fun at all tonight.
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  Speaker 2: So what will happen?
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  Speaker 6: So the interesting thing is I think a couple years ago,
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  Speaker 6: in theory, if we thought about if Roe were overturned,
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  Speaker 6: you could.
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  Speaker 2: Be like, well, there won't be abortion.
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  Speaker 6: But the Republican legislatures of so many states have shown
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  Speaker 6: us It is not just that it would be illegal,
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  Speaker 6: but they would try to criminalize it in a way
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  Speaker 6: that the Louisiana House today, a bill passed through the
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  Speaker 6: House that would put women who had abortions in prison. And,
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  Speaker 6: you know, before they had been like, we're only going
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  Speaker 6: to send the doctors to prison who perform the abortions.
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  Speaker 6: And now they're like, no, we're sending you bitches too.
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  Speaker 6: And so I think that a world without Roe is
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  Speaker 6: a world of terror, a world of women who have
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  Speaker 6: to pay for.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, abortion should be fucking free.
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  Speaker 6: But they would have to pay.
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  Speaker 2: So much more. This is not going down to your clinic.
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  Speaker 6: This is now, when you think about it, it is
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  Speaker 6: a network of people who will have to help these
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  Speaker 6: women get abortions. There are organizations who are going to
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  Speaker 6: have to help with the logistics. The fact that this
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  Speaker 6: country has come to a place where every problem needs
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  Speaker 6: to be solved with a GoFundMe, when you think about it,
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  Speaker 6: go back in time and watch Dirty Dancing, okay?
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  Speaker 3: Dr.
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  Speaker 6: Hausman, the first GoFundMe for abortion. And that's basically what
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  Speaker 6: we will be back to. You know, you'll have a
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  Speaker 6: lot of great people who are raising the money. You
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  Speaker 6: have a lot of good people who are going to
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  Speaker 6: be implementing and trying to help women get where they
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  Speaker 6: need to go. But like the truth is, that's not enough.
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  Speaker 6: They'll have to take time off of work. They may
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  Speaker 6: have to find childcare. I mean, it is so, it
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  Speaker 6: is a world of barbary and chaos.
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  Speaker 2: That is what the world without Roe will be.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, a lot of people have made the
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  Speaker 1: point that in the short term, you know, obviously the
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  Speaker 1: burden falls disproportionately on people who are poor. It divides
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  Speaker 1: along clients of class and race. People with means will
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  Speaker 1: still be able to seek out abortions, seek out reproductive care.
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  Speaker 1: But in the long run, if we think they're going
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  Speaker 1: to stop, at just the states that are currently banning abortion. Oh, no.
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  Speaker 1: We should think again. That's crazy talk. Because if there
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  Speaker 1: is a Republican Congress after 2022, and then there is
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  Speaker 1: a Republican president after 2024, the idea that they won't
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  Speaker 1: try to do a national ban on abortion, that they
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  Speaker 1: won't try to introduce a fetal personhood bill.
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  Speaker 6: Which means, by the way, for those who don't know,
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  Speaker 6: that they're going to try and get rid of IVF.
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  Speaker 6: because that is a whole other story. IUDs are technically
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  Speaker 6: inducing abortions. Certain kinds of birth control. Like all the
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  Speaker 6: people on television who are like, oh, the Handmaid's Tale's
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  Speaker 6: examples are so extra.
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  Speaker 2: They are not extra. They're prescient.
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  Speaker 1: Miscarriages. Miscarriages. If your body cannot have the baby for
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  Speaker 1: a miscarriage, you will need abortion care for that. That
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  Speaker 1: will not be allowed. So the fact that there will
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  Speaker 1: not be exceptions for rape, for incest, for the life
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  Speaker 1: and health of the mother. This is now what some
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  Speaker 1: of these states, this is what happened in Louisiana today.
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  Speaker 1: This is going to start happening in all these states
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  Speaker 1: all over the country.
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  Speaker 3: But John, Mitch McConnell told us he was committed to
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  Speaker 3: the filibuster, so obviously.
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  Speaker 1: Right, no, I know. And fortunately, Kirsten Sinema and Joe
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  Speaker 1: Manchin will be able to say, well, we upheld the filibuster.
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  Speaker 1: We did it. Mitch told us. Mitch promised that he
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  Speaker 1: would hold it. Yeah. Yeah. So let's talk about what
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  Speaker 1: can be done to protect abortion access and reproductive health
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  Speaker 1: care right now, or particularly either between now and the
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  Speaker 1: decision and then right after the decision comes out. Dan,
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  Speaker 1: can you walk through a couple things, what the White
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  Speaker 1: House's options are, what Congress's options are, and then what
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  Speaker 1: the fight looks like in the states?
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  Speaker 5: Sure.
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  Speaker 7: I think the White House would be the first to
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  Speaker 7: admit that the federal government executive branch has very.
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  Speaker 3: Limited tools of what they can do here.
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  Speaker 7: You know, they are reportedly exploring trying to use, whether
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  Speaker 7: they can access Medicaid funds or other funding sources to
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  Speaker 7: provide funding for people who have to travel to get
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  Speaker 7: abortions or seek other reproductive care.
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  Speaker 3: But there's questions about whether that is allowed.
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  Speaker 7: And they also know that Republican attorney generals will immediately
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  Speaker 7: sue to stop that.
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  Speaker 3: And that question will be decided by Sam Alito and
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  Speaker 3: his friends. Congress is.
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  Speaker 7: Going to this way, the Senate, Senator Schumer has pledged
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  Speaker 7: that in the coming days or weeks, they are going
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  Speaker 7: to try to pass a federal law that would essentially
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  Speaker 7: codify Roe to create a federal right to access abortion.
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  Speaker 7: The problem with that is twofold. One, it is subject
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  Speaker 7: to a filibuster. But even if we were to get
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  Speaker 7: over the filibuster, there are not currently 50 Democratic votes
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  Speaker 7: for it. Joe Manchin and Senator Bob Casey of Pennsylvania
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  Speaker 7: do not yet support it. And even if we were
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  Speaker 7: to pass it, a lot of legal experts are very
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  Speaker 7: skeptical that this Supreme Court would allow such a law
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  Speaker 7: to stand. It would certainly, if you were to pass
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  Speaker 7: that law, it would be an absolute game changer, even
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  Speaker 7: for a short period of time in which it was
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  Speaker 7: in place before it was enjoined or stopped. But I
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  Speaker 7: think it's very important that the Democrats are pushing this
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  Speaker 7: to be very clear-eyed and honest with the American public
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  Speaker 7: about what the prospects are here. And we don't sort
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  Speaker 7: of rerun some of the plays of the last year
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  Speaker 7: where we get everyone's expectations up without a path to success. Now,
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  Speaker 7: the ruling of this court is that abortion is a
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  Speaker 7: question for the states. So that means that what happens
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  Speaker 7: in the election this fall is going to determine what
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  Speaker 7: access to abortion people have. And what that means is
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  Speaker 7: if we elect Democratic governors and Democratic legislatures in states,
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  Speaker 7: they can pass laws like there are in a lot
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  Speaker 7: of blue states guaranteeing access to abortion. They can make
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  Speaker 7: abortion legal in those states and that people have access there.
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  Speaker 7: They can serve as a bulwark against worse laws, right?
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  Speaker 7: Like in Louisiana, they're passing, as you mentioned, this incredibly
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  Speaker 7: cruel and idiotic and terrible law. That's gonna be happening
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  Speaker 7: all over this country. In many states, the Republican candidates
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  Speaker 7: for governor have already said that they would support a
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  Speaker 7: total ban with no exceptions were they to become, so
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  Speaker 7: even if there was a law in the books now
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  Speaker 7: that has some exceptions, Republicans will try to pass laws
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  Speaker 7: with no exceptions. Democrats can stop that. It's incredibly important
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  Speaker 7: that we elect Democratic attorney generals and prosecutors because they
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  Speaker 7: are the ones who are going to decide how these
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  Speaker 7: laws are prosecuted. In Michigan, the attorney general who was
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  Speaker 7: up for re-election this year, Dana Nessel, has already said
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  Speaker 7: that she is not going to enforce Michigan's law. And
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  Speaker 7: so she is running against a big lie-believing MAGA extremist.
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  Speaker 7: And so the difference in Michigan is one of the
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  Speaker 7: states where as soon as Roe v. Wade is overturned,
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  Speaker 7: a law will go into place. And so in every
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  Speaker 7: one of these states, if we elect Stacey Abrams, that's
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  Speaker 7: going to make a difference for people in Georgia. If
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  Speaker 7: we reelect Governor Whitmer and Dana Esselstyn, that's going to
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  Speaker 7: make people in Michigan. Wisconsin, all across the country, Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 7: that's going to matter. And so it is unsatisfying because
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  Speaker 7: it does not get at the bigger issue, and it
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  Speaker 7: is halting progress, but it can make a real difference
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  Speaker 7: in people's lives if we win those races.
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  Speaker 2: Can I say one thing I would like to see?
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  Speaker 6: Now, look, this is a little pie in the sky,
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  Speaker 6: but I think if I say it loud enough and
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  Speaker 6: often enough, it might manifest. I would like the FDA
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  Speaker 6: to take the abortion pills off of the REMS list.
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  Speaker 2: For anyone who doesn't know what the.
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  Speaker 6: REMS list is, it means risk evaluation mitigation strategy. And
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  Speaker 6: the two abortion pills, which are 99.6% effective and have
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  Speaker 6: a 0.4% rate of major complication, are on the same page.
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  Speaker 6: restriction list as opioids and antipsychotics. And so if they
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  Speaker 6: took those off of that list, it would help so
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  Speaker 6: many people have access to the pills.
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  Speaker 2: So FDA, if you're listening.
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  Speaker 1: Love it. You heard Dan talk about how important the
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  Speaker 1: midterms are going to be with regard to a lot
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  Speaker 1: of these races in the states protecting abortion access. What
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  Speaker 1: do we know about the politics of abortion rights as
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  Speaker 1: we head into the midterms? How should Democratic candidates handle
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  Speaker 1: this issue as they campaign between now and November? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: This is.
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  Speaker 5: What this draft ruling has done is taken a divisive
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  Speaker 5: issue and made it a simple unifying issue for the
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  Speaker 5: whole country. There are few issues in this country where
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  Speaker 5: you can find 70% support. There are few issues where
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  Speaker 5: you can find barstool bros... and Howard Stern and us
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  Speaker 5: and huge swaths of the country united behind a position
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  Speaker 5: as this one. There is no state in this country
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  Speaker 5: where doing this is popular. There is no place in America,
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  Speaker 5: I don't care how red it is, that believes contraception
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  Speaker 5: should be illegal, that believes couples that are struggling to
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  Speaker 5: have children should be denied access to medical care. There
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  Speaker 5: is nowhere in this country that supports it. I don't
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  Speaker 5: care where you go. I don't care where you're running.
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  Speaker 5: And so we were heading into a midterms where we
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  Speaker 5: all were aware of how terrible the headwinds were against us.
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  Speaker 5: But I feel like this can change that, not just
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  Speaker 5: because this is one of the most important issues facing
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  Speaker 5: the country, but it also exposes just how dangerous this
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  Speaker 5: movement is that we are facing in a larger way.
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  Speaker 5: And it's up to us now to make sure that
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  Speaker 5: as many people understand the stakes as humanly possible, no
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  Speaker 5: matter what ruling ends up coming, no matter what happens
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  Speaker 5: in the next few weeks, this is the defining issue
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  Speaker 5: as we head into the midterms. And if we can
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  Speaker 5: do that, if we can make that case, I don't
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: think that there is a.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: I don't think... If we can do that, I don't
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: think they stand a chance.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: And, like, in case you don't believe the polls, in
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: case you think this is just, like, democratic wish-casting from
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: activists and organizers. Listen to how the Republicans are reacting.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I think that's very telling. Mitch McConnell basically said, I
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: don't want to talk about the opinion, I want to
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: talk about the leak. A lot of them don't want
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: to talk about the opinion themselves. They won this big victory,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: but they don't like to brag about it. There's one
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: interesting example. Adam Laxalt, who's running for governor in Nevada,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: he released this statement, and the first paragraph says, this
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: is a long-sought victory for conservatives, blah, blah, blah. And
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: then in the end of his statement, it says, but
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: by the way, abortion is a settled issue here in
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Nevada because Nevada has the right to protect abortion there.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: So he knows he had to say that it was
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: a victory, but he does not want to. It's not
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: easy for Republicans, this ruling.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: Josh Hawley and Tucker Carlson, they're not talking about what
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: a victory this is. They're saying, why are Democrats afraid
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: of democracy? Why are they so afraid of it going
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: back to the states? They're talking about the leak. Sean
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: Hannity made a point of saying, and just to be clear,
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: this doesn't make abortion illegal.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: This just gives it back to the states. They are
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: aware of.
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: How, I mean, these are, they have caught the car,
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: you know, and look, the other thing is- They built
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: the car.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: They built it and then they caught it.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: They built it, they sent it down there, they caught it.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: We'll figure it out.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Someone's the dog, right? They're also the dog.
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: And I'm feeling kind of a twinge of regret because
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: I think Chuck Schumer also used this analogy.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, no.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Are you in front of a gas station?
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: Am I in front of a gas station right now
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: decrying the price of gasoline?
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: And what we're going to do to take on the gougers?
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I will say, by the way, in addition to the
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: polling on abortion, which has looked very favorable to people
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: who want to protect abortion access, there's a morning consult
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: poll out this week. Americans want term limits for Supreme
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Court justices by margin of 66% to 21. And favor
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: expanding the court now by 55 to 36, which I
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: was not expecting. I mean, this is....
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: Why this is such a dangerous thing for democracy. The
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: reason this, the road week we have returned is that
• 20:18
  Speaker 7: there are four justices on that court appointed by two
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: people who got less votes than their opponent.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 20:23
  Speaker 7: And these people are going to be on this court
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: for decades, right? Absent expanding the court or term limits
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: to one of the above. And this is like, we
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: are in a situation where the overwhelming majority of this
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: country believes that this should be a decision made with
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: a doctor. not litigated by a state legislator or a court.
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: And that support for the issue has been consistent and
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: growing over a period of time. But you have this
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: court who is like frozen in amber from a different
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: period in American politics that is in the dissonance between
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: what the American people want and what this court wants
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: is very scary because this gives you like a very
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: scary perspective is that when Amy Coney Barrett and Brett
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: Kavanaugh are the age of Ruth Bader Ginsburg was when
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: she passed away, My daughter will be in her mid-30s.
• 21:11
  Speaker 7: She turns four in two weeks.
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: Man, if just RBG, you just had to keep your
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: soul inside of your body for two more fucking months.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: Just reach up and grab it as it floated away
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: and just bring it back in.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: You were so close. You were just grabbing on the
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: sides of that bathtub, holding on to being alive. Fucking RBG.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, you gambled and we lost. I'm sorry, but
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: sometimes it gets to me.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: But anyway, I'll leave you guys with this. If you
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: want to look forward. I'm saying we should look forward.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: And Democrats should feel confident as we go into this
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: election on this issue. Data for Progress did ask a
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: question just today.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: Our tests are negative, but our hearts are optimistic.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: If Roe is overturned, are you more or less likely
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: to vote for a pro-choice candidate? 49% said more likely,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: only 20% said less likely.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Great, so there should be a litmus test.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: There should be a litmus test. So, last question on
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: this before we move on. A number of legal analysts,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: including our own Leah Littman and Melissa Murray from Cricket's
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Strict Scrutiny podcast, have pointed out that based on Alito's opinion,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: abortion is not the only right at risk. What else
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: should we be concerned about based on what we read
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: in that draft opinion?
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's like, if we go back and,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: like Gorsuch and Kavanaugh and old Amy, they all said
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: in their confirmation hearings, like, Roe is precedent, Casey is
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: precedent on precedent.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: So, right, they're lying. So the thing is, is that
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: if it's really.
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: Not, if, like, precedent isn't anything, then I guess we
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: could go back to, like, when the people with powdered wigs,
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: you know, divined.
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: All this stuff that we're basing everything on, everything is
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: on the table if it was not enumerated back in
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: the day.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're not being shy about this. Totally.
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: At the confirmation hearing for Justice, for Kentucky Brown Jackson, the,
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: John Cornyn said in that hearing that he thinks that
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: gay marriage should be a question for the states.
• 23:26
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Not that he has an opinion on it.
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: Mike Braun, who is a real person who is an
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: actual senator from an actual state named Indiana, said, said
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: that he thought the court.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I worked in the Senate. You can be both.
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: Said that the court should revisit whether interracial marriage should
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: be a question for the states. Greg Abbott today said
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: that he was considering having Texas bring a case that
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: would challenge universal right to public education.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: What?
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: So, and one thing about, you know, obviously every.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: justice who was going to vote to overturn Roe had
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: to hide their views when they were in their confirmation hearings.
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: But they all went into those confirmation hearings with a
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: plan to say whatever they needed to say, but without
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: outright lying in most cases, to get on the court
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: so that they can do this. Amy Coney Barrett is
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: pretty clear about her philosophy. And what she said about Roe,
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: I think actually you can step back and apply to
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: a lot of other potential rulings, which is oh, there
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: are things that are such precedents you never even think
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: about them. And what she was really saying there is,
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: don't worry. I'll overturn fucking anything.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: I am out there. I am an extremist. I am
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: a radical. I am cuckoo bananas. I seem nice.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: I'm probably wonderful interpersonally. I'll destroy your whole fucking world.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: My philosophy is terrible. But don't worry because some of
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: these precedents are so set in stone They're never even questioned,
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: so they'll never even come to me. So don't worry
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: too much about it. But a lot of people heard that.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: A lot of people heard that. Greg Abbott heard that.
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: And they're going to start testing the fences, like the raptors.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: That they are.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what the conservatives are saying about, because
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: people are pointing out that in Alito, in his opinion,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: was like, there are plenty of rights that don't have
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: a long record in history. And he brings up Obergefell,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: and he brings up some of these contraception decisions in Griswold.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: And some other ones. And then he said, but these
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: are not like, we're only dealing with abortion here. And
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: that's the moral question at the moment. So conservatives are
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: pointing that out. See, he's just talking about abortion. Well,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: then why did he bring up all those other cases?
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: He's planting little seeds here and there for people to
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: find and to challenge. And they will challenge, though.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: Just imagine Samuel Alito in his little dorm room, scrawling
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: in his little fucking notebooks, turn that music down!
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Same guy.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: So... Before we move on, I know that a lot
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: of you are probably wondering how you can help between
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: now and we get to a final decision. So the
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: first and most important thing you can do is donate
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: to your local abortion fund. They're the ones who know
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: your state's law the best. They've been helping people overcome
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: barriers to get abortions for years. They're the experts. They've
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: been preparing for this moment. And we are very lucky
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: to have a couple of them here with us tonight.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Joining us to talk about their incredible work Supporting Chicago
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: in seeking an abortion is Megan Jiafo, Executive Director of
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: the Chicago Abortion Fund. Megan, come on out.
• 26:38
  Speaker 10: Hi.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Is it on? Am I talking?
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, hello.
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: Hi.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Hi.
• 26:42
  Speaker 12: Thanks so much for having me.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Thanks for coming.
• 26:44
  Speaker 12: I'm excited to talk to Chicago tonight.
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: So, yeah.
• 26:51
  Speaker 12: I'm really good at funding abortion, not so good at
• 26:53
  Speaker 12: public speaking, so bear with me.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: Doesn't stop Dan.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 27:03
  Speaker 12: Are there any abortion fund supporters in the house tonight?
• 27:10
  Speaker 12: I'm really excited to represent not just the Chicago Abortion Fund,
• 27:14
  Speaker 12: but abortion funds around the country. Chicago Abortion Fund is
• 27:18
  Speaker 12: is really proud to be a founding member of the
• 27:20
  Speaker 12: National Network of Abortion Funds, which is a member organization
• 27:24
  Speaker 12: of over 80 abortion funds around the country who have
• 27:28
  Speaker 12: been helping people navigate post-Roe realities for decades. All of
• 27:34
  Speaker 12: those barriers that were listed earlier, money for appointments, time
• 27:39
  Speaker 12: off of work, child care, gas money, hotel stays, People
• 27:43
  Speaker 12: at Abortion Funds are experts at helping connect people to
• 27:47
  Speaker 12: the care they want, need, and deserve. At CAF, we
• 27:50
  Speaker 12: support people in Chicago, Illinois, and around the region by
• 27:54
  Speaker 12: providing financial, emotional, and logistical support and doing really whatever
• 27:58
  Speaker 12: it takes to get people to their appointment and get
• 28:00
  Speaker 12: it paid for. Since July of 2019, we've been able
• 28:04
  Speaker 12: to support 100% of our callers with rising numbers every year.
• 28:08
  Speaker 12: And for context, In 2018, we supported less than 200 people.
• 28:13
  Speaker 12: In 2021, we supported close to 3,000. And yeah. And
• 28:24
  Speaker 12: this week, we've already heard from over 100 people seeking
• 28:27
  Speaker 12: support accessing their abortion. And this is with Roe. So
• 28:32
  Speaker 12: as you can imagine, it's been a really busy week
• 28:34
  Speaker 12: for abortion funds and for the Chicago Abortion Fund. I'd
• 28:37
  Speaker 12: like to share a letter I sent out to supporters
• 28:40
  Speaker 12: of CAF last night to reground in the work that
• 28:43
  Speaker 12: we do and to get them ready for what's to come.
• 28:47
  Speaker 12: Dear friends, we've known this moment was coming, but nothing
• 28:52
  Speaker 12: about it is easy. It's fitting that the leak of
• 28:55
  Speaker 12: this news, the news that this right-wing court will soon
• 28:58
  Speaker 12: completely strip people of their bodily autonomy, occurred the week
• 29:01
  Speaker 12: of Mother's Day. I am a mama whose abortions made
• 29:06
  Speaker 12: my life children's lives possible. And I'm here because my
• 29:17
  Speaker 12: mother had an abortion shortly before she became pregnant with me.
• 29:21
  Speaker 12: She died when I was young. I didn't know she
• 29:23
  Speaker 12: had an abortion until I was into my 20s, until
• 29:26
  Speaker 12: I was years past my own abortions, which I figured
• 29:29
  Speaker 12: out absent of any emotional support, with hefty doses of shame, sadness,
• 29:34
  Speaker 12: and isolation. No one in my community talked about abortion
• 29:39
  Speaker 12: openly and honestly. There was euphemism after euphemism, a woman's right, pro-choice,
• 29:45
  Speaker 12: reproductive healthcare. I needed and people having abortions now need more.
• 29:52
  Speaker 12: I wish I had heard a simple message. Abortion is okay.
• 29:55
  Speaker 12: Abortion is common. Abortion is healthcare. abortion is necessary. I
• 30:01
  Speaker 12: wish I had heard my mother say, I chose abortion
• 30:03
  Speaker 12: because I simply was not ready to parent when I
• 30:06
  Speaker 12: became pregnant, and that is okay. I have twin seven-year-olds.
• 30:13
  Speaker 12: And last week on the way to school in the
• 30:16
  Speaker 12: car line, one of them said to the other, hey,
• 30:19
  Speaker 12: did you know mom got pregnant before.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: She had us?
• 30:22
  Speaker 12: She made herself unpregnant and then got pregnant with us.
• 30:27
  Speaker 12: I was proud and a little sad at the same time.
• 30:30
  Speaker 12: I did make myself unpregnant with the support of a
• 30:33
  Speaker 12: provider at an independent clinic. I became pregnant again when
• 30:37
  Speaker 12: I was ready to parent and had my two sweet
• 30:39
  Speaker 12: babies who have grown up in this movement with zero
• 30:41
  Speaker 12: stigma attached to the word abortion. People across this country
• 30:46
  Speaker 12: are navigating abortion alone this week and they do not
• 30:49
  Speaker 12: know where their families and communities stand. They're managing social
• 30:53
  Speaker 12: media news feeds filled with vitriol or support or a mix,
• 30:57
  Speaker 12: but so many are in those waiting rooms alone with
• 31:00
  Speaker 12: only clinic staff, clinic escorts, or abortion fund workers like
• 31:04
  Speaker 12: our incredible team to hold them down. Knowing this, I
• 31:07
  Speaker 12: have two asks of you today. One, say abortion. Support
• 31:13
  Speaker 12: abortion access by saying the word out loud and outlining
• 31:16
  Speaker 12: why it's important to you. If you're a parent, reach
• 31:19
  Speaker 12: out to your children and let them know how you feel.
• 31:22
  Speaker 12: Your colleagues, your neighbors, people at your places of worship,
• 31:25
  Speaker 12: reach out to them too. Tell your friends and family
• 31:28
  Speaker 12: you are a resource for them. Now is the time
• 31:31
  Speaker 12: to be loud and vocal supporters of abortion care and
• 31:34
  Speaker 12: abortion access. We know the vast majority of people in
• 31:37
  Speaker 12: this country do not want to see Roe overturned, but
• 31:40
  Speaker 12: that majority has been silent for far too long. We
• 31:44
  Speaker 12: have to change this narrative. Two, Give us or the
• 31:49
  Speaker 12: local abortion fund in your community money. Illinois has long
• 31:59
  Speaker 12: been a receiving state, and the number of people pouring
• 32:02
  Speaker 12: into our state is going to increase. We have a
• 32:05
  Speaker 12: mandate in Illinois and a responsibility. We must take care
• 32:10
  Speaker 12: of each other, and giving to an abortion fund is
• 32:12
  Speaker 12: a way to put your money where your rage is.
• 32:14
  Speaker 12: The National Network of Abortion Funds Fundathon is happening now.
• 32:18
  Speaker 12: You can check out the Chicago Abortions Fund Fundathon at bit.ly
• 32:23
  Speaker 12: slash everycaller. You can also go to our website, chicagoabortionfund.org.
• 32:28
  Speaker 12: This is a massive grassroots initiative that you can.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Be a part of.
• 32:31
  Speaker 12: It's a peer-to-peer fundraiser. You can be a catalyst for
• 32:35
  Speaker 12: abortion justice in your community, and we provide tips, tricks,
• 32:38
  Speaker 12: and even sample tweets and emails for you to use.
• 32:41
  Speaker 10: It's very easy.
• 32:43
  Speaker 12: We're going to have more asks in the days to
• 32:46
  Speaker 12: come as we seek to not just protect abortion access
• 32:49
  Speaker 12: in Illinois, but to expand it. And we'd really love
• 32:52
  Speaker 12: to have you do that with us.
• 32:54
  Speaker 10: Thank you.
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 32:58
  Speaker 12: Thank you.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you, Megan. Thank you everyone in Chicago
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: for donating what you can to the Chicago Abortion Fund.
• 33:11
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• 33:41
  Speaker 1: with more news in a bit.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Now it's time for OK Stop.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: It's been a blue-ribbon week of absolutely squalid Republican takes
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: on the leak.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: The leak.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: The unprecedented historical betrayal of knowing what the Supreme Court
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: might do next month anyway. Don't take our word for it.
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: You know the rules of OK Stop. which are, of course, Byzantine.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: I'll say, okay, stop, and then we'll share our opinions.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Are you ready?
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Here it is.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Ted Cruz on the leak. Yeah, it's fine.
• 34:26
  Speaker 11: I have to say it is utterly stunning that anyone
• 34:32
  Speaker 11: at the court would leak a draft opinion. In over
• 34:35
  Speaker 11: 200 years of our nation's history, this has never happened.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, stop.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: That was also true of a mob storming the Capitol.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: But that didn't bother him as much when that happened.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: He was not as upset about that.
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: That is the exact thing I would say if a
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: United States senator just happened one day to like a
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: porn tweet.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: That has probably happened before. On 9-11.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Let us never forget.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Let us never forget.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: He liked a porn tweet on 9-11.
• 35:15
  Speaker 11: And I am appalled. This is the most egregious breach
• 35:20
  Speaker 11: of trust at the Supreme Court that has ever happened.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, stop.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: It is not.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, is it though?
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: I mean, I don't want to be like Jack McCoy
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: from Law & Order, but these justices took an oath.
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: And they told Susan Collins and everybody else that they
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: thought Roe was precedent.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: So I just, I don't know. I think that that
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: was a pretty big breach.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: They lied. Feels like a breach.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Feels like a breach.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: It's called perjury.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Stolen seat. Bush versus Gore. Dred Scott. There's a long list.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: There's a long list of.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: Low lights from our friends at the Supreme Court.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Dan, care to add anything?
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: I would say that has anyone ever said so much
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: shit so unconvincingly?
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I am.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: He says appalled like someone who's never experienced the feeling.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: He's never been appalled.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: He doesn't have appalled. That is not in his quiver. Appalled.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Horny.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Hungry.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Envious. Greedy. Greedy.
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: He laughs at the Simpsons, but he's never been appalled.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: All right, that's all I got. Let's keep going.
• 36:47
  Speaker 11: Presumably, some left-wing law clerk, angry at the direction the
• 36:51
  Speaker 11: court is going, decided to betray his or her obligation.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, stop.
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: You can't just presume something and call it presumably. Presumably,
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: everyone in this audience has a crush on me. Is
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: it possible?
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Of course. But we don't have the data.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, stop. Oh, stop. It was just a joke.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: I did want to have a.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: I also didn't hear it. You were loud. You were confident.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: You weren't. comprehensible.
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: Two out of three, but it has to be all three.
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: This is the difference between Democratic politicians and Republican politicians.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: Republican politicians say it would be good if it was
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: a left-leaning person who did this. Therefore, it was a
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: left-leaning person who did this. Meanwhile, Democrats are like just
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: texting each other articles about who the leak may have
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: come from.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: What's the theory?
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: What's the theory?
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Rolling out the red string. Let's get the corkboard up.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Speaking of red string, Dan, what do you think? Who
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: leaked this thing? Do you want my theory?
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I want your theory.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: And here's the thing.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Obviously.
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: Doxing.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: The leak.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: We're doxing tonight, people.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: No.
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: Dox, dox, dox, dox, dox. We obviously here at Pod
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: Save America, we'll tow the party line.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: The leak is not important. What's important is what they
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: fucking do. We agree. That's true. But the leak is interesting.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: And we're not making it.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: A party's message, but we can have a fun conversation
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: on where this fucking leak came from.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: It's interesting, especially because this may not be the decision.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: And then we're all going to look like idiots.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I am so convinced it was not an opponent of
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: the opinions. I am very convinced it was not.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: What's your evidence, John? Make your case in 30 seconds
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: or less.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Here's my case. It's a draft opinion from February. So
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: if the purpose was to warn everyone that this was
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: coming and you didn't like the opinion, why wouldn't you
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: have leaked it back in February? Why do you pick
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: now to leak it? And also, also, the Wall Street
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Journal editorial that happened just a couple weeks ago where
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: they said that Roberts didn't want to be in the
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: majority in this and that they were worried that there
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: was someone that was going shaky in the majority. And
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: so if you don't want that person to defect to
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Roberts in the minority, then you put out this opinion
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: to try to box them in.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: And if you look at where the staples are in
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: the upper left-hand corner, you can tell that it was removed.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: There was a watermark. It was removed before it was copied.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: So it was someone who did not have access to
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: a digital copy. Cui bono.
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: Before I get to my theory, can we put up
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: the names and addresses of all the Supreme Court clerks first?
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Docs, docs, docs, docs, docs. I'm not a party to this. Docs, docs.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: No doxing.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: Dan, Dan, the people are clamoring for you. They're salivating
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: for your theory.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, here's what we have to understand.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: On this story, there are two reporters on the byline
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: of the story. One is Josh Gerstein, who has covered
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: the courts for many, many years. The other is a
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: guy named Alex Ward, who is a national security reporter
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: who does not cover the courts. Alex Ward has nothing
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: to offer to that story. Josh Gerstein does not need
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: his help writing it, doesn't need his help understanding the opinion.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, maybe.
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: Alex Ward is, maybe he comes from right-wing media, or
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: he's tied in with these people. So I went to LinkedIn,
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: where all good investigators go.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Turns out, he used to work at Vox, so I'm
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: going to guess it's a no on that. This is
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: getting good.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: So.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: All leads back to Mattie Iglesias. America's Twitter scamp.
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: So, based on the many years we lived in Washington,
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: if you have a choice between conspiracy and idiocy.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: It's almost always idiocy. So I am convinced that some.
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: fucking Supreme Court clerk Yahoo, who got a perfect score
• 41:11
  Speaker 7: on his LSAT but can't match his socks in the morning,
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: left a copy of the opinion on the Metro at
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: a coffee shop.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Someone picked it up, said, this is interesting.
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: Knows Alex Ward, called Alex Ward, only reporter they know,
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: calls Alex Ward and says, is this real? Alex Ward
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: goes to Josh Gerstein, the person at Politico who could
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: source it. Josh Gerstein gets it confirmed. They're both on
• 41:32
  Speaker 7: the story. That's how it happened.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: That's what happened.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: That's what happened.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Lock it in. That's it. That's it. All the anger,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: all the back and forth. It was a left clerk.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: It was a right clerk. It was this clerk.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: Some dummy left it on the train. Happened once, happened
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: a thousand times. Let's continue with the clip.
• 41:57
  Speaker 11: That clerk owed to his or her justice and to
• 42:00
  Speaker 11: the court. This is the predictable result of the Democrats'
• 42:05
  Speaker 11: multi-year campaign to politicize the court. including Chuck Schumer standing
• 42:11
  Speaker 11: on the steps of the court threatening to, quote, unleash
• 42:13
  Speaker 11: the whirlwind, including radical Democrats threatening to pack the court,
• 42:18
  Speaker 11: including the effort of many Democrats to personally sneer and
• 42:23
  Speaker 11: target Justice Thomas.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, stop.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: First of all, just to go back a second.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: Have any group of people been more fucking butthurt to
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: be on the precipice of winning a 50-year battle. I mean,
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: these fucking assholes have been trying to, like, they have
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: been trying to rob this bank for 50 years, and
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: now they're in the car, and it's filled with gold.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: They're like, I didn't like the way the teller talked
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: to me.
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: Fucking assholes.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: They are assholes. We are in a war against assholes.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he is a, Ted's very upset with anyone who
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: would undermine the legitimacy of the court unless it's Clarence
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Thomas refusing to recuse himself from the January 6th cases
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: because his wife participated in the fucking coup.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Insurrection.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Ginny leaked it. Ginny leaked it.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Ginny leaked it.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I think Ginny leaked it. Ginny leaked it.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: Ginny leaked it.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Doc Ginny.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: I don't have a chant for it. I don't have
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: a chant for it.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: It doesn't chant well. It doesn't chant well.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Ginny can't be doxed. She's Ginny Thomas.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: No one asked me.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: She's self-doxed.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: What's up, Alyssa?
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: No one asked me.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: What, your theory is? Yeah.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: Well, we didn't know you had a theory. It was
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: sort of a kind of.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: You didn't ask.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't know we were asking everybody for their theory.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Well, everyone gave one, except me.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: You're right, and I'm sorry.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: So, a war on people with uteri. Just kidding. It
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: was Ginny.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: What's your theory?
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: It was Ginny.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: You think it was Ginny?
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Totally Ginny. She's totally untrustworthy.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: She's totally untrustworthy.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: And she's like, they just need to read her text.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it's in her text somewhere. She texts everything.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Mark Meadows has it.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: She's like, someone check her WhatsApp.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: One serious point on all this is because immediately the
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: right wing blamed the left and it almost became treated
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: as fait accompli that this was the decision or the
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: decision would look something like that.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: We really don't know that.
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: And it is, I think one thing that made this
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: leak happen something everybody could talk about is there are
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: a lot of plausible explanations, including Dan's train theory, which
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: is novel and very interesting.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: So good.
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: But just because people like Ted Cruz are the loudest
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: doesn't mean that the idea that this isn't some right-wing
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: goon trying to muscle fucking.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Brett Kavanaugh, who may very well be on the fence.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: And by the way, I was hoping that this becoming
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: public would box him in, but I don't think it's
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: having that effect.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: You can imagine it having the opposite effect.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: A week of seeing those Susan Collins clips, his own
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: clips in the hearing, this opinion being ripped to shreds,
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: like who fucking knows what's about to happen? And they
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: are on the verge of restricting Roe no matter what
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: this decision is. And what I don't want to see
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: is all of a sudden it's not as bad, but
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: it's fucking horrible. And then there's a week of stories
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: about how Democrats have lost their midterm issue, which is
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: fucking horseshit.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: So let's just keep our heads on a swivel. That's
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: all I'm saying. You know what I mean?
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: What if it was a betrayal from PJ and Squee?
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, Squee is involved.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: I was thinking about Squee. I forgot about those guys.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: I forgot about Squee. Maybe he did it at the reunion.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Is that it? Is that it?
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Is that the end of the clip?
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right?
• 45:29
  Speaker 11: All of this.
• 45:32
  Speaker 8: Is the vicious politicization of the court.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 45:39
  Speaker 11: How the court does its business going forward.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Hey, Ted, don't threaten us with a good time. And
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: that's OK Stop.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Wow. That was a journey. That was a journey. All right,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: let's get back to the news. This week, after a
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: last-minute endorsement from Donald Trump, J.P.J.D. Mandel Vance won the
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Ohio Republican Senate primary and is now the favorite against
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Democratic Congressman Tim Ryan for the seat being vacated by
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: retiring Senator Rob Portman. A bunch of other Trumpy Republicans
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: also won in Ohio, including a January 6th attendee named J.R. Majewski,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: who was once... This is a real person. He's running
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: against Marcy Kaptur. It's a real thing. This is live
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: ammo we're playing with. He was once featured on Fox
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: News wearing a QAnon t-shirt after painting Trump's campaign banner
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: on his lawn. This is the newest Republican congressional nominee.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: He's also a songwriter and a rapper.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: Um.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: His MAGA hit, Let's Go Brandon, includes the line, Joe
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: is focused on ice cream while he's crapping his pants.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: We want our dreams and our freedom. This is our
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: last chance. So that's something that's happening in Ohio. So good.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: He's trying to get to Congress. Dan, why did J.D.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Vance win this race?
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: So glad you asked the question, John.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: I think there are three reasons he won. The first
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: one is J.D. Vance is a wholly owned subsidiary of
• 47:19
  Speaker 7: Peter Thiel. Peter Thiel is one of the richest men
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: in Silicon Valley. He is the founder of PayPal. He
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: is Mark Zuckerberg's mentor. He sat on the Facebook board
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: for years.
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: J.D.
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: Vance has worked for Peter Thiel, and Peter Thiel has
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: been grooming him for the Senate seat. So Peter Thiel
• 47:33
  Speaker 7: put in millions and millions of dollars of his own
• 47:35
  Speaker 7: money into a super PAC that ran ads supporting J.D.
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: Vance for basically a year. if those ads did not
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: violate the letter of campaign finance law, they certainly violate
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: the spirit of it, gave him a huge boost. The
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: second reason is, and I hate to say this, but
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: Donald Trump's endorsement gave him a boost of momentum in
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: the final stretch. He was behind in the polls before that.
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: It put him over the top. We can have a
• 47:57
  Speaker 7: longer conversation about what that says about Trump's role, but
• 48:00
  Speaker 7: in this individual race, that mattered a lot. And the
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: third reason is that J.D. Vance was running against the dumbest,
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: most unlikable group of MAGA sock puppets to walk the
• 48:11
  Speaker 7: fucking earth. Truly, people who are so dumb and so unlikable.
• 48:16
  Speaker 7: Josh Mandel, Jane Timken, Mike Gibbons, these people were terrible.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: And J.D.
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: Vance is dishonest, dangerous, a demagogue, but he's not stupid.
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: And he was able to navigate this field and come
• 48:29
  Speaker 7: out ahead, and he is now a very real threat
• 48:33
  Speaker 7: to everything, not just winning the Senate seat, but he
• 48:35
  Speaker 7: is the kind of person that you worry about being
• 48:37
  Speaker 7: in the Senate because he's that dangerous.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: So Vance gets 32.2% in this field and wins. Some
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: people have made the argument, okay, almost 70% of Republican
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: voters did not vote for the Trump-backed candidate. Lovett, what
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: do you think both J.D. Vance's win and other MAGA
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: victories in Ohio tell us about Trump's strength among Republican voters,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: or is this a unique situation, or what do you think?
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: I think Trump is the most popular and important and
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: powerful figure in Republican politics, but he doesn't have limitless ability.
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: I think in a lot of these races, he's a
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: bit like the Yelp of politics in a crowded environment.
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: field with a lot of options that are all terrible, crushing,
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: getting that Yelp number one spot can really make all
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: the difference, but it can overcome... If there's other obstacles,
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: like it turns out you fucking grope in everybody in
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: every photo for 20 years and the governor of Nebraska
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: is like, fuck this guy.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: You can't overcome everything.
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: He's not all powerful and he doesn't have total control
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: over his base, but he can make the difference. And
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: there's no noisier place in the world than the right-wing
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: media environment and in that noisy, chaotic, substance-free, vibes-first place.
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: Donald Trump come in and say, this is my guy.
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: He's got my vibes. It can make all the difference.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Teal plus Trump plus Tucker. Tucker has loved J.D.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Vance from the beginning, and J.D. Vance would go on
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Tucker's show all the time. It's the most popular show
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: in Fox primetime. I think you could probably argue that
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Tucker did as much for J.D. Vance as Donald Trump did.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: just because he's, you know, he had him on a lot. Alyssa,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: what kind of campaign, obviously Tim Ryan's an underdog here
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: because Ohio is now a very Republican state. What kind
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: of campaign and message do you think gives Ryan the
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: best chance to defeat Vance?
• 50:35
  Speaker 6: Well, one of the things I've noticed is that in
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: a lot of the interviews that he does, he really
• 50:40
  Speaker 6: sort of like arm's length Biden. And he's like, I'm
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: an independent person, which I.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Appreciate, but.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: But we have the White House.
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: Why would we not use all the tools in our
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: tool chest? So what I would say for him is
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: that I hope he uses all the tools in his
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: tool chest. I'm not sure how successful people have been
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: from running away from a pretty-ish popular sitting president. I
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: would hope that he's going to raise a lot of money,
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: and I hope he uses all the money to get
• 51:12
  Speaker 6: out the vote.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: But mostly I think that he just really... He needs
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: to have an.
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: Ohio message and not look at Twitter and pivot and
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: be like, this is what people are saying because that's
• 51:25
  Speaker 6: not what people in Ohio are hearing or talking about.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: So I hope that he's Ohio first.
• 51:30
  Speaker 6: Listens to his people, but at the same time, he
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: doesn't have to put Joe Biden in all of his ads,
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: but I really think that he should embrace the successes
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: that we have had in the last two years as
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: much as he can.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Did you guys see that he had... He had an
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: ad out right away after JD Vance won. Tim Ryan
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: had an ad ready to go. And it basically just
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: was like a 30-second ad attacking JD Vance for leaving
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Ohio for San Francisco to make millions and invest in
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: companies that profit from globalization and free trade. He said
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: that JD Vance is a big hit at DC cocktail parties.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: And now he says he feels out of place in
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Ohio because that was a quote from JD Vance. That
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: was a pretty good ad. That's good.
• 52:11
  Speaker 7: I mean, there's a lot of Ted Cruz and J.D. Vance,
• 52:14
  Speaker 7: very similar. And, you know, I thought the Tim Ryan
• 52:18
  Speaker 7: ad was good. I mean, because you really can. He
• 52:21
  Speaker 7: is a venture capitalist who's supported by big tech, who's
• 52:26
  Speaker 7: a Hollywood producer.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: A CNN commentator.
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: He left Ivy League educated, all the popular stuff is
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: complete bullshit with him. The thing that in If you're
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: going to run a campaign against him with that, Tim
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: Ryan is a candidate who can do that.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: He has Ohio through and through. He's from Youngstown.
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: He has none of those vulnerabilities. The thing that is,
• 52:46
  Speaker 7: I think, challenging and sort of worrisome about that is,
• 52:49
  Speaker 7: I talked to Cyril Longwell for Political Experts React, the
• 52:53
  Speaker 7: YouTube show we do where we look at campaign ads.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: Good plug.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Good plug, wow.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: Smash the subscribe button.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Elijah's so happy.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: Sarah Longwell does focus groups.
• 53:01
  Speaker 7: She's probably talked to more swing voters than anyone else
• 53:03
  Speaker 7: in American politics for the Republican accountability project. And she
• 53:06
  Speaker 7: thinks her take basically talking to swing voters, including in Ohio,
• 53:09
  Speaker 7: is voters are pretty cynical and savvy about politicians. And
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: they kind of bake in the cake that J.D. Vance
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: is full of shit. And that's actually an advantage in
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: some ways. That he's not really as MAGA as he
• 53:20
  Speaker 7: says he is. And like all the other things that
• 53:24
  Speaker 7: undermine his sort of MAGA-ness. are actually validators to swing voters.
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: So there is some risk in that. It's a state
• 53:33
  Speaker 7: that Joe Biden lost by 10 points in 2020. So
• 53:35
  Speaker 7: it's going to be very, very hard.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. I think it's less about like, he's
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: not as MAGA as he says he is. So this
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: super PAC that Peter Thiel started for J.D. Vance, obviously
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: by law, you're not supposed to coordinate with J.D. Vance's campaign.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: So they ended up like, putting all this information and
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: research on a public website, because that's the way that
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: you skirt the law, but it's hard to find public website,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: and so that, therefore, JD Vance's campaign can find it.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: So Politico found it and ran it today, and it's
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: all opposition research about the other candidates, but also opposition
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: research about JD Vance that Peter Thiel did. And some
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: of the opposition research on JD Vance was quite good
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: that they did, which is like, he's run as this
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: anti-opioid crusader, But he was working at a law firm
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: that was lobbying for Purdue Pharma while he was there.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Which is, I think that's a pretty good, that's a
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: good hit.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: And worked for China.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: And he worked for Alibaba, which is like the Amazon
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: of China, which for all of his anti-China stuff. That's also,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: it's a good hit.
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: There was, speaking of J.D. Vance being another Ted Cruz,
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: that happened to Ted Cruz too. Remember the Ted Cruz
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: they had to put up? hours and hours of unedited
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: footage of Ted Cruz recording advertisements.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Remember that?
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: And it was just him sitting on the couch next
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: to his just sullen, furious family trying.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: To do these ads. Alyssa, on the Democratic side in Ohio,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: the rematch between Bernie Sanders-backed Nina Turner and Congresswoman Chantel Brown,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: who was endorsed this time not only by the Democratic
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: establishment but also by the Congressional Progressive Caucus, turned out
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: to be a complete blowout. It was somewhat close last time.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Now Brown won by about 30 points. Do you think
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: that race can tell us anything about where Democratic voters are? No.
• 55:19
  Speaker 12: No.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Because here's why. Winning begets winning. She already won.
• 55:25
  Speaker 6: She was endorsed by, I mean, Congresswoman Brown was endorsed
• 55:30
  Speaker 6: by Marsha Fudge, who is beloved.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: She was her protege.
• 55:34
  Speaker 6: And it is not like Nina Turner was running against
• 55:38
  Speaker 6: a Democrat who was going to be part of the
• 55:40
  Speaker 6: Problem Solvers Caucus.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: You know, she wasn't this... Over the top.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Josh Gottheimer.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Josh Gottheimer. I'll do anything to be moderate and get
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: on Fox News.
• 55:52
  Speaker 6: She was someone who supports Medicare for all. You know,
• 55:55
  Speaker 6: Brown supports Medicare for all. She supports raising the minimum wage.
• 55:58
  Speaker 6: So I really just think that it's like they knew
• 56:01
  Speaker 6: who she was. She'd already beat her. She was a
• 56:03
  Speaker 6: member of Congress. She had successes that she could tout
• 56:07
  Speaker 6: and was endorsed by the Progressive Caucus.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: So it really was, I mean.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:12
  Speaker 10: Very specific.
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think that it was a real, like,
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: people on Twitter being like, the Democrats, the progressives are.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: No, this was a very straightforward, easy thing to understand.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: I think. You know, the Twitter conversation, really.
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: I know, I just, I can't help, I get so
• 56:27
  Speaker 6: exercised by the Twitter conversation. I was like, this is
• 56:29
  Speaker 6: so dumb. Why are we fighting amongst ourselves? We have
• 56:32
  Speaker 6: bigger fish to fry.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: We do, we do. Okay, when we come back, Dan
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: and I will talk to Michigan State Senator Mallory McMurray.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Please welcome to the stage Michigan State Senator Mallory McMorrow. Welcome.
• 57:03
  Speaker 10: I told my team not to heckle me. We drove
• 57:06
  Speaker 10: all the way here. No heckling.
• 57:09
  Speaker 7: Based on the applause you got in the beginning, I
• 57:12
  Speaker 7: don't think that's going to be a problem.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: They're very familiar with you.
• 57:16
  Speaker 7: So we want to get into your speech and the
• 57:18
  Speaker 7: message and advice you might have for Democrats, but I
• 57:19
  Speaker 7: wanted to start with getting your reaction to the leaked
• 57:21
  Speaker 7: Supreme Court opinion about overturning Roe v.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: Wade.
• 57:25
  Speaker 13: Ah, yes.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Your personal reaction and also how you think.
• 57:28
  Speaker 10: Can I tell you my theory?
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, I love this.
• 57:32
  Speaker 10: My theory. It was the ghost of RBG. She has
• 57:35
  Speaker 10: been haunting that place and waiting for her moment, and
• 57:39
  Speaker 10: she is like, I told our male brethren to get
• 57:42
  Speaker 10: your feet off of our necks.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Possible.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: It's as possible as all of them.
• 57:49
  Speaker 7: But I want to get your reaction to the decision
• 57:51
  Speaker 7: itself and also how you think it may impact politics
• 57:55
  Speaker 7: in Michigan this fall.
• 57:56
  Speaker 10: I mean, it is, it was a kick to the uterus.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: It really was.
• 58:01
  Speaker 10: We knew that it was coming. I was at an
• 58:03
  Speaker 10: event with Attorney General Nessel in 2019 in Michigan, and
• 58:08
  Speaker 10: she said then Roe was going to fall. And I
• 58:12
  Speaker 10: remember the headlines were, she's exaggerating. That's hyperbole. She's fear mongering.
• 58:17
  Speaker 10: She was right. And the most damning part is reading
• 58:22
  Speaker 10: the opinion and everything is on the line. This is contraception.
• 58:26
  Speaker 10: This is gay marriage. This is turning women back into
• 58:29
  Speaker 10: vessels for reproduction. And it is, we got to get
• 58:34
  Speaker 10: mad about it. I'm mad, and I know a bunch
• 58:37
  Speaker 10: of women are mad because we had 10,000 people in
• 58:39
  Speaker 10: Michigan sign up over the past 48 hours to volunteer,
• 58:43
  Speaker 10: to collect signatures, to change our Constitution, to codify access
• 58:47
  Speaker 10: into law.
• 58:51
  Speaker 7: You know, Michigan is one of, you know, I think
• 58:53
  Speaker 7: it has nine states where as soon as the law
• 58:54
  Speaker 7: is repealed, abortion will be illegal in that state. You know, obviously,
• 58:59
  Speaker 7: there are a lot of really important elections for all
• 59:01
  Speaker 7: your statewide offices this fall. What can Michigan, what do
• 59:05
  Speaker 7: you as Michigan Democrats planning to do in addition to
• 59:08
  Speaker 7: constitutional amendments How does that work? Like what can be,
• 59:12
  Speaker 7: do you think can be done to protect people's.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: Rights in Michigan?
• 59:16
  Speaker 10: I mean, we are going at it on all fronts.
• 59:18
  Speaker 10: I'm the primary bill sponsor of the Reproductive Health Act
• 59:21
  Speaker 10: to codify access into law. I've introduced that for the
• 59:24
  Speaker 10: past three years. Similar legislation in the House. Governor Whitmer
• 59:28
  Speaker 10: filed a lawsuit against the state to force the Michigan
• 59:32
  Speaker 10: Supreme Court to take this up, to try to put
• 59:34
  Speaker 10: it in the Constitution. We've got a ballot initiative circulating,
• 59:37
  Speaker 10: so please go sign up with Planned Parenthood or ACLU
• 59:40
  Speaker 10: if you're a Michigander or you want to come out
• 59:42
  Speaker 10: and help out. And getting people out to vote. We're
• 59:46
  Speaker 10: going at it on every front. This legislature will not
• 59:50
  Speaker 10: pass my legislation, but that doesn't mean we can't put
• 59:53
  Speaker 10: it up and fight and try and make sure everybody
• 59:56
  Speaker 10: knows we are not just gonna let it happen.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: So, I'm sure most of the audience has now seen
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: footage of your now famous speech. I would just love,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: can you take us through the process? When did you
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: decide to write it? How did you figure out what
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: you wanted to say? How did the whole thing come about?
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 7: I would note that when John and I were talking
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 7: about doing this interview, he said, I can't wait to
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 7: nerd out with her about speech writing.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: About speech writing. A good speech. Finally, a Democrat gives
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: a wonderful speech. I don't get to see this a lot.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 10: So I'm a state senator, and I saw somebody on
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 10: Twitter say, wow, that was a good speech. Whoever wrote
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 10: that should run for office.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I did.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 10: I'm the one. We don't have staff in the Michigan
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 10: State Senate to write all of these speeches for us.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: So I.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 10: It's been a very normal few weeks for me.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sure.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 10: So I woke up a few weeks ago on a Monday,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 10: and I got a text from my husband, big friend
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 10: of the pod, who found a screenshot on Twitter, and
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 10: he showed it to me, and it was an email
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 10: from a colleague in a different part of the state
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 10: that accused me by name, said Mallory McMorrow D. Snowflake,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 10: which doesn't even make sense. The joke was wrong.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: Bad joke. Of.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 10: grooming, supporting pedophilia, and sexualizing kindergartners, and wanting eight-year-olds to
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 10: believe that they were responsible for slavery. And I just,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 10: so it hit, and right away, local reporters started calling
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 10: me and asking for comments, and I didn't want to
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 10: say anything in the moment, but I had a lot
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 10: on my calendar that day. I have a job to do.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 10: And I just sat on it for the day. And
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 10: I was home alone with my daughter.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: She's one.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 10: And I was giving her a bath. And she, I
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 10: don't know what I said. I said something and she
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 10: just started laughing hysterically. And I just started crying. And
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 10: I stayed up a lot of the night. I started
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 10: writing a lot of things down. I erased a lot
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 10: of things. And I A lot of what I started
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 10: writing was calling out the hypocrisy of the Republican Party
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 10: and you guys did this.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: And one of our.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 10: Ex-speakers of the House was accused of actual grooming of
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 10: his soon-to-be sister-in-law when she was 15. And I took
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 10: a lot of that out. I drove to work the
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 10: next day. It's an hour and a half commute for me.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 10: And I just repeated over and over and over what
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 10: I wanted to say until I felt comfortable with a
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 10: message that was going to break out of the Republican
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 10: versus Democratic slap fight. And I wrote it down again
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 10: when I got to Lansing and, and that's the speech
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 10: we got.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: I was, um, quite a speech. I was struck by
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: the fact that you leaned on your background and your
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: personal story and you repeated a few times. It almost
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: became like a, it was a repetition in the speech,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: I am a straight, white, Christian, married, suburban mom. Why
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: was it important for you to say that, and why
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: did that become a refrain?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 10: So for too long, I think that Democrats have ceded
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 10: ground on family, community, faith, if it is of your background,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 10: if it's important to you, being married, being a mom,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 10: you know, all of these sorts of things. So taking
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 10: it back, number one. But also, so I flipped a
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 10: district in 2018. I represent Mitt Romney's hometown. And give
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 10: it up for Bloomfield Hills, Michigan. And I've talked to
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 10: moms throughout my district who look and are like me,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 10: who are frustrated, are frustrated from the past few years
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 10: of school closures and balancing work and being at home
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 10: with their kids all the time. And we're seeing groups
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 10: like Moms for Liberty, you know, this kind of Koch-backed,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 10: right-wing group that's going to all these school board meetings
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 10: and pushing... CRT fear-mongering, anti-diversity equity and inclusion, and targeting
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 10: the LGBTQ community. And that's not them. That is not
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 10: the community I represent. So part of what I wanted
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 10: to do was reclaim my own identity. I am not
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 10: a groomer. I am not somebody who befriends children for
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 10: the purpose of molesting them, because let's call it what
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 10: it is, when they use these hateful smears. And then
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 10: just to frankly talk to other women like me to say,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 10: I see you and I know you're frustrated, but we
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 10: have to put our energy somewhere else. And we've seen
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 10: Christianity weaponized to target and hate kids. Kids, you can't
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 10: claim that you're protecting kids, this quote unquote parental rights,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 10: if you are targeting already marginalized kids.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: I am.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: Sick of it.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Have you heard from sort of Democratic leaders across the
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: country since the speech? Have you been getting calls?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I've gotten a few calls.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: A few calls. I heard the president called you?
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 10: The president called me and I missed it.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: That's a tough one. That's a tough one. That was...
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: That was rough.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: What were you doing?
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 10: I was putting my daughter to bed, and I didn't
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 10: have my phone in her room, which people have said, like, oh,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 10: that's so sweet. That's really nice that you have a
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 10: rule about not having it. I'm like, no, it's because
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 10: I forget my phone in her room. And then I'm like, oh, shit,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 10: she's sleeping, and I can't go back and get it.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 10: And it rang, and my husband saw it and didn't
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 10: pick it up. So the president left a message.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Left a voicemail.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 10: Left a voicemail, as one does, and said, you know, hi,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 10: it's Joe Biden, the president. Like, I wouldn't know.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: And we.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 10: I don't have my phone up here. I can't play
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 10: the voicemail. But we talked the next day, and it was,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 10: you know, A, the fact that a speech from a
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 10: state senator made it to the White House was just... Amazing,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 10: the fact that he called back.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: You know what's happened before?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: It's actually taken a state senator to the White House, yes.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 10: I've heard that story before from here. I think it was.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: From here.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 10: But it meant a lot. So I've talked to James Carville.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 10: I've talked to Jamie Harrison. I've talked to other members
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 10: of Congress in my state and elsewhere. And I think
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 10: we might have struck a nerve.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: I think so, too.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 7: I am curious, how did your Republican colleagues, including the
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 7: writer of said horrendous email, react to the speech?
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: They didn't.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 10: I mean, that was part of why I wanted to respond,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 10: especially waiting all day Monday when this email goes out.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 10: Not one of them even texted or called to say, hey,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 10: that was really terrible.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Not one.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 12: And.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 10: Since then, not one of them has talked to me
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 10: about it. And the woman who wrote the email has
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 10: doubled and tripled down. She went on a local podcast
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 10: and just said the most unnerving things. And she equated,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 10: I've got a bill to ban so-called conversion therapy on minors.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 10: And she.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 10: She told the hosts that this bill would require counselors
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 10: to schedule gender reassignment surgery for kids without their parents'
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 10: knowledge and then equated it to if a student has
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 10: anorexia and went to a counselor and told the counselor,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 10: I think I'm fat, that the counselor would be required
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 10: to say, yes, you are, and put you on a diet.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: It is....
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 10: I was gobsmacked and it's just, it's so disgusting. And
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 10: she chairs the Senate Education Committee. She's the most powerful
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 10: person in the state of Michigan for what goes on in.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: All of our schools. We are not doxing her.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: The doxing part is over.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: That was the last segment.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 7: I mean, your speech has obviously been held up by
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 7: a lot of people as a model for how Democrats
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 7: can deal with these attacks. What advice would you give
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 7: to Democrats around the country as they figure out how
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 7: to message in an environment where they have opponents who
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 7: say things like what your opponents have said about you?
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 10: I mean, it's just gone so far. It has gone
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 10: way too far. And I gave this speech, and I
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 10: spoke at an event in the district yesterday, with a
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 10: nonpartisan group and it was a dinner and it was
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 10: attended by Republican women and Democratic women and all kinds
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 10: of people who said, you're right, I don't agree with
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 10: you on every issue, but this has gone too far.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 10: It's just hate and lies and I'm tired of it.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 10: So I think, you know, we're mad.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: Be mad.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 10: Show some emotion.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: Be angry.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 10: Don't just kind of calmly go out and say that
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 10: this is normal because it's not normal. And we saw
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 10: in Michigan there was a special election for a state
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 10: house candidate who flipped a district that was a Trump
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 10: plus 14 district. By calling it out, by saying this
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 10: is hate and extremism and it's not welcome in Michigan.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: Well, we're so glad that you made the speech. I
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: know you're also a Run for Something alumni. I am.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Which is amazing, which we love Run for Something here.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: And so other people should run. You could end up
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: giving a big speech too. So thank you so much
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: for doing that. And maybe you can write talking points
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: for all the other Democrats in the country.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 10: Just be you and get mad.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: There we go. All right. State Senator Mallory McMurray, thank
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: you so much. Thank you so much.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: Docs, docs, docs, docs.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: No doxing. The doxing portion of the evening has passed.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: Won't be a part of doxing.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: Now let's play a game. Republicans.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: They use power like Harry Styles uses fashion, as if
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: they were born to wield it. They don't get bogged
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: down in the particulars like, is this reprehensible? Is this
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: the opposite of what we said we'd do? Will voters
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 5: dislike us for doing this? And while this works for them,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: because of a feckless mainstream press, social media noise, and
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: a right-wing propaganda apparatus that would make your garden-variety dictator
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: green with envy.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: They've gotten pretty cocky because they haven't just embraced unpopular positions.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: They've embraced extremely unpopular positions.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: How unpopular?
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: Let's find out in a game we're calling Republicans. Are
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: you Lea Michele shitting in your co-star's wig? Because I
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: don't care who you are, you are going to pay.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: Here's how it works.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: I'm going to ask you a question about polling, and
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: you're going to have to say which is more popular
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: or unpopular.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: We're going to play with our co-hosts. All right, here
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: we go. John, you're first. What's more popular, gay marriage
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: or the Rolling Stones?
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Gay marriage.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: It's true. It's gay marriage. 70% support.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: What are the Stones at?
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 5: The Rolling Stones are stuck, according to a morning consult poll,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: at 69%.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: Nice. Nice. Alyssa, what is more.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: What are you going to say?
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: Who or what is more hated? Books or Ellen DeGeneres?
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: Ellen?
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 5: 19% of Americans dislike Ellen while 17% of Americans support
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: book banning, but I'd like to see you try to
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: ban Ellen's books.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: You'll be dead before you hit the ground.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: Dan, what's less popular Sean Hannity or forcing, uh, uh,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: women to involve the government in their reproductive healthcare decisions.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: Forcing women. It's very close.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: Uh, 26% of Americans support Hannity. 24% disagree that abortion
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: should be.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: A private medical decision. So they're both very, very unpopular.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: Which may be related. May be related. John.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: What's more popular, abortion being legal in most cases, or
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: Adam Sandler?
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: It has to be abortion.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: It's actually basically tied... 71% of Americans love Adam Sandler.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Wow, he's very popular.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 5: 70% obviously support upholding Roe. 76% of Dems and 55%
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: of all Americans think women should be able to get
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: an abortion in all but very specific circumstances.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: Adam Sandler is the Roe v. Wade of SNL. Do
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: you have the crosstabs on the Sandler numbers?
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: We can get you the crosstabs. How does he play
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: with Gen Z? He plays, we don't know him.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: Alyssa.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: What's more popular, the Women's Health Protection Act or Beatle
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: Paul McCartney?
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go with the Health Protection Act.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: 84% of Democrats and 62% of all voters support it. Well,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 5: 68% have a favorable opinion of Paul McCartney.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: So actually, he kind of wins there.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: Why did you give me that one? I mean, he's
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: not even my favorite Beatle.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: Who?
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: John Lennon.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: Also, I love Ringo and George Harrison. They had very
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: good solo careers. Don't come at me with music.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: Dan.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 10: White people music.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: I'm self-aware.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: Dan.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: Dan.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: What's more popular, the constitutional right to an abortion or
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: hot dogs?
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: Constitutional right.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: Correct, 70%, versus 69%, again, nice.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: Nice. Who like hot dogs.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Hot dog, nice, yeah.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: It was not clear what would happen if you added mustard.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 5: Pickles and whatever other, tomatoes, whatever other ungodly things you put.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: On a hot dog in this city. It's May, you freaks.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: What is this weather? John.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: Another round. Last one. I guess I could skip ahead.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: I like that one.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 10: It's chaos.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: No, it's not good.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: I'll do a couple more.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: John, do more Americans believe that the Supreme Court should
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: overturn Roe v. Wade or that it counts as cheating
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: if your partner has sex with a robot?
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: The wording is tough. Sex with a robot?
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: Both hover around 30%.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 5: Alyssa, which do people think is worse, Florida's don't say
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 5: gay bill or cockroaches?
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: Cockroaches.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: Florida's Don't Say Gay Bill, an ABC News poll found
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 5: that 62% of Americans opposed the Don't Say Gay Bill,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 5: while only 39% of people don't like cockroaches.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 6: They never lived in New York City.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: Where's this ground swallow support for cockroaches?
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: That is uncomfortable. We're going to talk about our survey methods.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 5: All right, final question, and this can be for everybody.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 5: What is more popular, abortion rights with Republicans or Bruce
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 5: Springsteen with millennials?
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen with millennials.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: Abortion rights.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: Bruce Springsteen.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: It's a tie.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: It's a tie.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 5: According to Reuters this week, basically half of Republicans said
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 5: they were more likely to support candidates who support abortion
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: rights in November. which matches how many millennials feel positively
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 5: about the boss, which is why so many Republicans are
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 5: born to run from this decision. Now, before we go,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: we were going to end our fun right there, but
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: Chicago holds a special place in our hearts.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: Your pizza's so thick, you could drown in it. Your beautiful...
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: Your beautiful... We'll get there, you goons.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: It's coming, it's coming. What.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 5: What do you think we're doing here? We love your
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 5: melodious accents, your shiny.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: Like a warm blanket. Your shiny, shiny bean.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: Thank you. No thank you.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: Why is there so much?
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: There's so much.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 5: We love that time Dave Matthews Band emptied their tour
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 5: bus toilet into your river. Yes, that's right. It's time
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 5: for us to play a quick drinking game. With Lucifer's mouthwash,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 5: Trump's bathwater, the unholy aperitif, my lord. So we each
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: have a couple shots in front of us. We're going
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 5: to need a few audience volunteers. Olivia is out there.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 5: Here's what's going to happen. It's time for a game
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 5: we call This Week in Ooze. Olivia is out there,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: and basically, Olivia, if you want to play, Olivia is
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 5: out there. She's going to come. If you raise your hand,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 5: you're going to read a quote. You're going to read
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 5: a quote, and we have to tell you which Republican
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 5: said it this week. If we get it, we get it.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 5: If we don't, we take a shot of Malort. Each
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 5: volunteer will read two quotes, and for your troubles, you
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 5: will receive a Tommy John gift card.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: Tommy Johns. Hey, you got to wear underwear.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: This is for Dan.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: Which senator incredulously asked if this leaked draft opinion is
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: the final decision and this reporting is accurate, it would
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: be completely inconsistent with what Justice Gorsuch and Justice Kavanaugh
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: said in their hearings and in our meetings in my office.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: That is so easy.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: Well, don't you.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: too bad you didn't get it. No shit. Susan Collins.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 10: Born for that question. It was Susan Collins, of course.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 10: This is for Lovett.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: Which governor declared they need to figure out who did
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: that and they need to hold them accountable because that's
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: a real significant breach of trust? You want to talk
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: about an insurrection, that's a judicial insurrection to be taking
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: that out and trying to kneecap a potential majority through
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: extra constitutional means.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 10: Who said this dumbass thing?
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: The nemesis of Disney himself, Ron DeSantis.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: That's correct.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: I'm still going to take the shot.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: Didn't you write the question?
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: That was in my opening prompt.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: Ridiculous.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: Unbelievable.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: Because I unironically like this. I know it seems like
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: I'm performing.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 5: I don't think it's bad. I don't understand why people
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: think it's bad. I think, in fairness, what are the
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 5: odds that Lovett heard the prompt?
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: I didn't cheat. I didn't cheat. There's video evidence.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: Somebody.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: I didn't cheat. I wasn't accusing you of cheating. We're
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: just surprised you heard the prompt.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: I just think you wrote the question.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 5: If I'm on stage, I'm just waiting for my turn
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: to talk. Thinking about what I said, thinking about what
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 5: I will say.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 10: This is for Favreau.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 14: Which senator tweeted, it is a sad day for the
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 14: Supreme Court and a dangerous day for the rule of law.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 10: The radical assault.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 14: On our institutions and the Constitution itself has reached.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 10: A new level with the release of.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 14: A draft opinion on a major issue facing the court
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 14: on Tuesday.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, no. I'm definitely drinking Malort. I think I know.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: It sounds like a Ben Sass tweet. Is that?
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 10: No.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 14: Lindsey Graham.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: I was trying to whisper.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 10: That's not fair.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. What the fuck? Are you getting... Like
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: fucking gasoline. Yeah.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: With hints of licorice.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: This is disgusting.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: It's not so bad. Why am I so crazy? I
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: like it. It'll clean the COVID right out of you.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: It's my booster.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 10: This is for Alyssa. Which absolute lurch tweeted.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 14: How many of the women rallying against overturning Roe are overeducated,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 14: underloved millennials who sadly return from protests to a lonely
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 14: microwave dinner with their cats and no Bumble matches?
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: Mother of three cats right here, Matt Gaetz.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: And can we also just say fuck that guy?
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: That's good.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: Hi, what's your name?
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: Manesh. Okay.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know why, I should have asked the other
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: people too. It's just I forgot.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: He drinks one sip of Malort. It's chaos. I'm loose.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 13: All right, this is for Dan. Who insisted, as a decision,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 13: Roe v. Wade is widely acknowledged joke. Moral questions aside,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 13: Roe is the most embarrassing court decision hands down last century.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 13: Every part of it, from its invented constitutional justification to
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 13: its meaningless parameters... mocks the idea of sober jurisprudence.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: Someone's drinking some Malort. Pucker up.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: Goes down smooth. Was it John Cornyn? It's Tucker Carlson. Fuck,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: it was right there. Let's go, Dan. Bottoms up. I
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: just want to... They can warn you, but it's always
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: worse than you think.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: I just want to be clear about what's happening on
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: the stage right now. Because I think what we're realizing
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 5: is that Malort is queer culture.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: Because... What's next?
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 13: This is for Levitt. Who tweeted this week, if your
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 13: response is to SCOTUS news is to dust off your
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 13: stupid pink hat from 2016 and go march to support?
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 13: To re-evaluate your entire life and then delete it after
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 13: 27 seconds.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: What a strange place to go. Who did that? Who
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: were they shadow boxing again? Who went off and got
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: their pink hats? Nobody. Nobody got their pink hats. I
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: need to think. Ben Shapiro.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: Lauren Boebert.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: Please.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: Your bargain basement MTG. The MTG you can get. You know?
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 5: When MTG won't go to the prom with you, yes,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 5: Lauren Boebert.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: This is for Vavro.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 8: Who said on Wednesday, I think we will resurrect that
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 8: case and challenge this issue again because the expenses are
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 8: extraordinary and the times are different than when Piler v.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 8: Doe was issued many decades ago?
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 6: What?
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: This is getting.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: That's legit obscure.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: I thought I was supposed to get the really hard ones,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 5: and they were supposed to get easy ones.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: Did we not talk about this in prep?
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: Can I phone a friend? Can I call Tommy?
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: Just drink your Malort.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, is this Price is Right? Can someone yell it out?
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: What's the answer? Texas Governor Greg Abbott. It was right there.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: I told you.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't hear you.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: Drink the Malort. A real shot's worth. Wow, that's good.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: That was a good drink.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: A little easier the second time. No, not.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: This is still going?
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: I cannot lie.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: We each get two. Is that it? Are we done?
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: We keep going? Jesus. We have to go to St.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: Louis pretty early.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 9: All right, this is for Alyssa, who just announced today
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 9: that they wouldn't vote for the Women's Health Protection Act
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 9: because it, quote, doesn't protect the right of a Catholic
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 9: hospital to not perform abortions. That right has been enshrined
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 9: in law for a long time, unquote.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: Susan Collins.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: Who?
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: Susan Collins.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: You got it, girl. Drink the Malort.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: That's horse shit.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 11: I knew.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: No, first of all.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: I got you.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 6: I knew half the quote, not the whole quote.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: I will drink some Malort because I'm not a pussy, but.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: That's interesting.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: See what I'm saying?
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: I don't hate it.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: We don't hate it.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: No, it's herbal.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: It's herbal.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: It's herbal. It's like, you know that smell that's like, oh.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: WD-40?
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, has someone been weed whacking nearby? It's
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: like someone did that with just a hint of orange.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: Plus licorice. I'm not saying, all right.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: One more for Lovett.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, Jesus.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 9: This week, a certain smoke show tweeted, years ago in
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 9: this video, I was being.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: Crass with a friend trying to be funny.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 9: We were acting foolish and joking.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: That's it. I'm not backing down.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 9: I told you there would be a drip drip campaign.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're well aware of your drip drip, Madison.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: It's Madison Cawthorn. It is Madison Cawthorn. And I know
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: what you're wondering. Probably still would. All right. That's the game.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Malort. Thank you, Chicago.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 15: That is our show for tonight. Thank you to State
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 15: Senator Mallory McMorrow. Thank you to Megan Jiafo. Thank you
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 15: to Alyssa Mastromonaco. Thank you to MSG Entertainment and the
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 15: Chicago Theater. Please go to votesaveamerica.com slash row.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: Thanks, everybody. This was so fun.
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