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Lady Gaga (Pt.2): How Did Lady Gaga’s Friend and Collaborator Die? And Why Do The Conspiracy Theorists Refuse to let go of This Story? · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Disgraceland is a production of Double Elvis and The wild.
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  Speaker 1: Conspiracy theories surrounding Lady Gaga range from absurd to shocking
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  Speaker 1: to ridiculous. The idea that she's a man, that she
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  Speaker 1: murdered her friend Lena Morgana in her pursuit of fame,
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  Speaker 1: that she murdered Morgana at the direction of the so
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  Speaker 1: called illuminati. These rumors are as prevalent as they are insane.
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  Speaker 1: But there are truths, bizarre truths, bizarre facts, and eyebrow
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  Speaker 1: raising comments and actions even by Lady Gaga herself, that
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  Speaker 1: have fueled these theories. The conspiracies and the facts and
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  Speaker 1: so called facts that support them are so intriguing that
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  Speaker 1: too aides were needed to properly explain and to try
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  Speaker 1: and understand what's behind these Lady Gaga stories. If you're
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  Speaker 1: just tuning into this tale now, I suggest you hit
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  Speaker 1: pause and go back to the beginning of part one
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  Speaker 1: of our Lady Gaga tale, where we detail the murky
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  Speaker 1: facts of her self described origin story, her rise to
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  Speaker 1: fame in the Intersects theory, the first of multiple conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: theories that obsessive fans spread while Gaga's fame exploded. In
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  Speaker 1: this episode, we dig deep into the Leda Morgana and
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  Speaker 1: Illuminati conspiracies stories that seemingly were supported by evidence from
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  Speaker 1: Gaga's the Fame era videos and music. Great music, unlike
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  Speaker 1: that music I played for you at the top of
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  Speaker 1: the show. That wasn't great music. That was a preset
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  Speaker 1: loop from my melotron called New World Odor MK two.
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  Speaker 1: I played you that loop because I can't afford the
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  Speaker 1: rights to whatever you like by TI. And why would
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  Speaker 1: I play you that specific slice of stinky ministry cheese?
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  Speaker 1: Could I afford it? Because that was the number one
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  Speaker 1: song in America on October fourth, two thousand and eight,
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  Speaker 1: the day Lady Gaga's close friend and musical collaborator, Lena
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  Speaker 1: Morgana died, kicking off one of the most bizarre and,
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  Speaker 1: if true, damning conspiracy theories about a musician from this
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  Speaker 1: or any generation. So on this a special part two episode,
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  Speaker 1: Lena Morgana's Death, the Illuminati, Bill, Hillary Bay and Jay,
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  Speaker 1: Chrissy and John and Oprah and Tom, Jimmy Kimmel and Blackface,
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  Speaker 1: blacked out Panda Eyes, and why there are so many
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  Speaker 1: wild conspiracies surrounding Lady Gaga I'm Jake Brennan, and this
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  Speaker 1: is Disgraceland. It was one of those bleak October days
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  Speaker 1: in the city, ten stories up on the roof of
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  Speaker 1: the Staten Island Hotel in New York, and there were
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  Speaker 1: no clouds, just an endless sheet of gray that was
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  Speaker 1: somehow holding back the rain. The dark winter was coming.
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  Speaker 1: You could feel it in your bones. Two women were
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  Speaker 1: on the roof. One was dancing, smiling, arms outstretched and
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  Speaker 1: spinning about, and the other was standing to the side, stoic.
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  Speaker 1: In comparison, they looked alike, similar size, build, age, hair.
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  Speaker 1: They could have been sisters. The dancing girl grew more
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  Speaker 1: animated and the stoic girl grew more concerned. Girl had
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  Speaker 1: a hold on that invisible sunshine, a brightness that she
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  Speaker 1: knew in her core was going to one day shine
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  Speaker 1: so brightly down upon her that she herself would burn
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  Speaker 1: like a star. And the other girl felt the weight
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  Speaker 1: of the winter, but she pushed on, dancing through her pain.
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  Speaker 1: She once held onto the hope that she was going
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  Speaker 1: to be the star, but that hope was dead. There
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  Speaker 1: was only room for one of them to shine. That
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  Speaker 1: was the world's cruel joke. It seemed why it was
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  Speaker 1: that way she didn't know. There were lots of things
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  Speaker 1: about the music business that she didn't understand, like why
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  Speaker 1: was it that she the one who is currently dancing
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  Speaker 1: through her pain dangerously high up on a Staten Island roof.
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  Speaker 1: How was it the case that she was now the
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  Speaker 1: second fiddle when not so long ago, their producer, the
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  Speaker 1: record label, they recording, Sony, the publishing company they were
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  Speaker 1: writing songs for, all thought she was the one. The
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  Speaker 1: dancing Girl danced on through her confusion and glanced at
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  Speaker 1: the stoic Girl with contempt. The Stoic Girl had a
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  Speaker 1: record deal. She was signed to Innerscope Records and signed
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  Speaker 1: to a publishing deal with Sony, and that was part
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  Speaker 1: of their original deal. Together, the Stoic Girl would write
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  Speaker 1: the songs and she, the dancing Girl, would sing them
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  Speaker 1: and be the star. But now that dynamic had reversed itself,
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  Speaker 1: the stoic Girl was out front, performing her own songs
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  Speaker 1: as well as songs that the dancing Girl had written.
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  Speaker 1: She danced on the past was the past prelude to
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  Speaker 1: what she always knew would come, something tragic, inevitable, tragedy.
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  Speaker 1: Tolstoy Dostoevsky Chekhov, tragedy was in her Russian blood. On
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  Speaker 1: the other hand, the American, whose current stoicism was worn
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  Speaker 1: of concern for the other, dancing too close to the edge,
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  Speaker 1: putting herself in danger. The Americans sprung from a font
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  Speaker 1: of eternal optimism every morning. Tragedy was as foreign to
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  Speaker 1: her as the idea of black bread and vodka for breakfast.
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  Speaker 1: But the American was cagy driven as hard, if not harder,
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  Speaker 1: than the Russian to succeed. The American knew as well
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  Speaker 1: as the Russian did what the situation was. Only one
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  Speaker 1: of them could make it. There was only room for one.
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  Speaker 1: They were friends, but they were competitive. The Russian feared
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  Speaker 1: that the American was stealing from her, her ideas anyway,
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  Speaker 1: her style, and the American disagreed strongly. They were both
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  Speaker 1: at the same time and place, shared the same influence,
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  Speaker 1: as shared a common goal. Saying one stole from the
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  Speaker 1: other would be like saying John Lennon stole from Paul McCartney.
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  Speaker 1: They were swimming through the exact same pool of influences
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  Speaker 1: at the exact same time, trying to get to the
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  Speaker 1: exact same place, to the top. And now on top
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  Speaker 1: of this building on this bleak October morning. As the
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  Speaker 1: Russian girl danced more freely, the American knew exactly what
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  Speaker 1: her friend knew, that yes, there was only room for
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  Speaker 1: one of them. The Russian girl danced more wildly. She
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  Speaker 1: didn't care anymore, and the stoic American girl called out
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  Speaker 1: for her to stop, and the Russians spawned with more force,
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  Speaker 1: and the American moved toward her, and the Russians feet
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  Speaker 1: moved closer to the roof's edge. The American ran toward her,
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  Speaker 1: and the Russian was now oblivious to the danger. She
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  Speaker 1: was dancing right at the edge of the roof, ten
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  Speaker 1: stories above the street, and the American, in full sprint,
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  Speaker 1: her arms outstretched, reached the Russian just in time, at
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  Speaker 1: the very edge of the roof and pushed her to
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  Speaker 1: her death. Was that what happened? Was this how it
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  Speaker 1: went down? How Lena Morgana died. Local news reports mentioned
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  Speaker 1: nothing of a second woman on the roof of the
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  Speaker 1: Staten Island Hotel and coverage of Lena Morgana's death on
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  Speaker 1: October fourth, two thousand and eight, but a local passer
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  Speaker 1: by supposedly saw two women on that roof or so
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  Speaker 1: goes the conspiracy theory. To be clear, there are multiple
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  Speaker 1: versions of the Lady Gaga Lena Morgana conspiracy theory. There's
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  Speaker 1: the yeah, this story is kind of fucked up and
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  Speaker 1: interesting and I have no problem talking about it with
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  Speaker 1: my friends over drinks version of the story, which is this,
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  Speaker 1: Lady Gaga and Lina Morgana were friends. They were both
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  Speaker 1: working with producer Rob Fusari. There is some evidence that
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  Speaker 1: points to the fact that Lina was the star, that
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  Speaker 1: Lina was the one singer of the two who was
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  Speaker 1: positioned out front as the star, while Gaga was writing
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  Speaker 1: songs and contributing to their act as a backup singer.
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  Speaker 1: Then Lina died tragically by suicide, and Lady Gaga sees
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  Speaker 1: the opportunity not only to step into the newly vacated spotlight,
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  Speaker 1: but doing so stealing Lena Morgana's musical and fashion style.
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  Speaker 1: She's also alleged to have straight up thieved some of
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  Speaker 1: Lina's songs, all in an effort to make it as
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  Speaker 1: a star, which she did thus callously capitalizing on the
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  Speaker 1: unfortunate death of her good friend. Then there's the dude,
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  Speaker 1: what the fuck Lady Gaga murdered her best friend because
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  Speaker 1: she knew that she was going to get famous before her.
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  Speaker 1: And then Gaga stole not only her style, but her songs,
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  Speaker 1: her everything, so that her own career could take off,
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  Speaker 1: which it did only a few months after the murder
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  Speaker 1: version of the story, which is of course the crazier
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  Speaker 1: of these two versions, but still not the craziest version,
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  Speaker 1: which is the following. Lena Morgana and Lady Gaga were
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  Speaker 1: both given a choice by the Illuminati, which everyone wanted
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  Speaker 1: to become famous, how to make a blood sacrifice. And
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  Speaker 1: we all know how ruthless Lady Gaga was in her
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  Speaker 1: pursuit of fame. We all know how Lady Gaga lied
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  Speaker 1: about her past, about her supposedly dark upbringing. So Lady
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  Speaker 1: Gaga not only made the choice to conduct the blood
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  Speaker 1: sacrifice for the Illuminati, she also chose to sacrifice her
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  Speaker 1: best friend, to murder her so that she could then
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  Speaker 1: steal Lena Morgana's identity, so that she could steal Lena's
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  Speaker 1: dark past in addition to stealing her style and her music.
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  Speaker 1: I'm less interested in litigating these theories than I am
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  Speaker 1: in understanding why they persist. They won't die, particularly the
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  Speaker 1: second theory about Gaga murdering Lena Morgana. And maybe that's because,
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  Speaker 1: like all good conspiracy theories, there are just too many
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  Speaker 1: eerie truths to ignore. Lady Gaga's presence on that Staten
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  Speaker 1: Island roof with Lena Morgano was never proven, despite what
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  Speaker 1: the conspiracy theorists cooked up online, but her presence on
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  Speaker 1: another roof just months later is indisputable. There she is
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  Speaker 1: on the balcony of the Villa de Leon, high above
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  Speaker 1: the Pacific Ocean, its waves crashing violently onto the Malibu
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  Speaker 1: coastline hundreds of feet below. She's precariously seated on the
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  Speaker 1: balcony's barrier ledge, her legs facing back toward the open
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  Speaker 1: French doors of the villa's suite. Both legs straddle actor
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  Speaker 1: Alexander Skarsgard, who is standing facing her. The two kiss
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  Speaker 1: passionately aggressively. The sound of the waves on the beach
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  Speaker 1: below crashes in. Then comes the sound of camera flashing,
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  Speaker 1: and the implication is clear. The star's privacy is being
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  Speaker 1: intruded upon. The couple ignores the intrusion, and they're kissing intensifies.
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  Speaker 1: The petting grows a bit too furious. The chaos of
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  Speaker 1: the interaction is heightened by the intensifying sounds of the waves,
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  Speaker 1: and the camera is shuddering. Something is turned and the
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  Speaker 1: couple's embrace is now combative. Go Go struggles against their
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  Speaker 1: lover's rushed advances and the intensity of the waves the cameras.
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  Speaker 1: Goga fights off her man, still seated on the ledge,
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  Speaker 1: her back to the treacherous drop. Her man presses in harder,
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  Speaker 1: and she fights back harder. Her lover's frustration overcomes him.
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  Speaker 1: He grabs Goga with both hands and pushes her off
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  Speaker 1: the roof. Lady Gaga's dead body is prone on the
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  Speaker 1: ground below the balcony in a pool of blood, and
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  Speaker 1: the paparazzi closes in to document the gruesome spectacle. Newspaper's
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  Speaker 1: spin onto this. Their headlines scream Lady Gaga hits rock bottom,
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  Speaker 1: Lady Gaga is over, and Lady No More Gaga. That
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  Speaker 1: last headline from Lady Gaga's two thousand and nine video
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  Speaker 1: for her song Paparazzi did almost as much to fuel
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  Speaker 1: the conspiracy theorists as the imagery of her being thrown
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  Speaker 1: to her death from a roof just nine months after
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  Speaker 1: Lena Morgana suffered the same deadly fate. Lena Morgana. The
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  Speaker 1: headline Lady No More Gaga. It was strikingly similar to
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  Speaker 1: Lena Morgana. It was a sign. Why else people wanted
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  Speaker 1: to know would Lady Gaga include that headline or did
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  Speaker 1: precisely like that in a way that, in their minds
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  Speaker 1: anyway conjured up the name of her recently deceased best friend.
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  Speaker 1: It had to be a sign, a signal, a clue.
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  Speaker 1: It was the hubris of the illuminati to rub the
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  Speaker 1: noses of the celebrities plebeian fans into their obvious, disgraceful
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  Speaker 1: transgressis typical conspiracy. Theorists believe that this video is as
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  Speaker 1: good as a confession. It's Lady Gaga telling the world
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  Speaker 1: exactly who she was, and this thinking was injected with
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  Speaker 1: steroidal delusion. On September ninth, twenty ten, roughly a year
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  Speaker 1: after the release of the Paparazzi video, when Lena Morgana's mother,
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  Speaker 1: Yana Morgana, spoke to The New York Post and accused
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  Speaker 1: Lady Gaga of stealing her daughter's entire creative vibe quote.
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  Speaker 1: Every other word she says is from Lena. She talks
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  Speaker 1: about having a dark and tragic life, but she had
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  Speaker 1: everything she wanted in the world. She went to the
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  Speaker 1: same high school as Nicki Hilton. Her parents were rich,
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  Speaker 1: but Lena did have a tough life and she often
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  Speaker 1: talked about her tragic life. Ms Morgana, who was still
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  Speaker 1: clearly grieving her daughter, also said, and I quote Lady
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  Speaker 1: Gaga is holding Lena's soul. This quote, I believe, more
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  Speaker 1: than anything else, contributed to the wild theory that Lady
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  Speaker 1: Gaga made a deal with the Illuminati to sacrifice her
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  Speaker 1: friend's life in exchange for the fame she saw it,
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  Speaker 1: which she was on her way to achieving with the
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  Speaker 1: release of her debut album just two months before Lena
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  Speaker 1: Morgana died and the album's name the fame On that album,
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  Speaker 1: there were, according to Lena Morgana's mother, multiple songs that
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  Speaker 1: were originally intended for Lena's own debut album, and that
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  Speaker 1: those songs were either written solely by Lena Morgana and
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  Speaker 1: or co written with Lady Gaga. Instead, Gaga allegedly used
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  Speaker 1: them without properly crediting Morgana. To be clear, research shows
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  Speaker 1: that the songs Gaga and Lina wrote together Chief among
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  Speaker 1: Them and unreleased Lady Gaga tune called Wonderland. Though these
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  Speaker 1: songs were originally considered for inclusion on the Fame album,
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  Speaker 1: they were eventually omitted due to copyright issues, which given
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  Speaker 1: that before her death, Lena Morgana had a release her
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  Speaker 1: own song entitled Wonderland with just the title spelled differently
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  Speaker 1: with a you instead of a O, this is probably
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  Speaker 1: a wise decision, but the connection was still fuel for
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  Speaker 1: the conspiracy theorist fire. One day after Lena Morgana's mother's
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  Speaker 1: comments to the post, Lady Gaga was forced to shut
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  Speaker 1: down the fanfum section of her website due to the
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  Speaker 1: rapid spread of vitriolic conjecture and misinformation. Once the forum
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  Speaker 1: was shut down, angry Lena Morgana supporters took to Twitter
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  Speaker 1: and Facebook, where they lined up photos of Lina next
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  Speaker 1: to Gaga in an effort to prove Lena's mother's point
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  Speaker 1: that the nice, rich American girl from the Upper West
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  Speaker 1: Side stole her daughter's dark side, her outsider attitude. Lena
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  Speaker 1: was a young woman who emigrated to the US with
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  Speaker 1: her parents as a child, A woman who was well
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  Speaker 1: versed in struggle and darkness. Unlike Lady Gaga, who grew
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  Speaker 1: up as Stephanie Germanada with privileges, le Morgana could only
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  Speaker 1: dream of the images of Gaga and Lena in this
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  Speaker 1: new context were striking. There's teenage Lady Gaga. Excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: there's teenage Stephanie Germanada, tan and beaming into the camera
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  Speaker 1: on her bed, hand drawn pictures of hearts and rainbows
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  Speaker 1: tacked to the wall behind her. And there she is
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  Speaker 1: a year or so later, still in high school, wearing
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  Speaker 1: an expensive athletic pollover, looking more like a high school
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  Speaker 1: athlete than a freak with a dark side. And then
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  Speaker 1: there's the official high school photo with Stephanie again smiling,
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  Speaker 1: looking over her bare shoulder at the camera. It's a
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  Speaker 1: picture you may have seen a million times. My wife,
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  Speaker 1: who went to high school around the same time Gaga did,
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  Speaker 1: has a high school photo of herself in the exact
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  Speaker 1: same pose. Fast forward a couple of years later to
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  Speaker 1: Stephanie's college years at NYU, with her on stage looking
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  Speaker 1: decidedly fresh faced and out of place behind the microphone
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  Speaker 1: with a cheap keyboard on stan. Absolutely none of this
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  Speaker 1: scans as being dark. But then then there are the
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  Speaker 1: photos of Stephanie as a young version of Lady Gaga
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  Speaker 1: from a couple of years later, which are lined up
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  Speaker 1: right next to images of Lina Morgana. Gaga is shown
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  Speaker 1: with her black bangs and teased out hair from her
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and seven Lollapolooza side stage set, a much
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  Speaker 1: darker version of Gaga than pre Lina Morgana Erastephanie Germanada,
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  Speaker 1: and then we see Lena with her long jet black hair.
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  Speaker 1: Another series of shots shows Gaga wearing a pink wig
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  Speaker 1: from a photo in two thousand and nine. Lina is
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  Speaker 1: wearing a pink wig and a photo from a few
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  Speaker 1: years earlier in two thousand and five. Gaga is captured
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  Speaker 1: in a full body profile shot her hips arched back,
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  Speaker 1: her arms in the air from twenty ten, and Lina
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  Speaker 1: is captured in a near identical pose from two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and six. The similarities are well, they're strain, to say
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  Speaker 1: the least. But do they prove that Lady Gaga murdered
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  Speaker 1: Lena Morgana, No, of course not. Do they disprove that
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  Speaker 1: Lady Gaga appropriated some of her friend's style as her own, No,
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  Speaker 1: they don't. If anything, they prove the opposite. Do they
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  Speaker 1: prove that Lady Gaga is part of the illuminati. They
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  Speaker 1: do not. But the photos of Lady Gaga incorporating the
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  Speaker 1: all seeing eye gesture in her Born This Way video,
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  Speaker 1: well those might. We'll be right back after this. We're, We're, We're.
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  Speaker 1: Lady Gaga sits in front of the camera. The gesture
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  Speaker 1: couldn't be clearer. She's covering one eye with her hand.
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  Speaker 1: In doing so, she leaves her other eye exposed, just
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  Speaker 1: like she did in the Born This Way video, and
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  Speaker 1: in the Bad Romance video, and in numerous photo shoots
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  Speaker 1: where Gaga has obscured one eye either with her hand,
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  Speaker 1: with her hair, or with lighting. It's the eye of Providence,
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  Speaker 1: the one eye on the pyramid from the US dollar.
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  Speaker 1: It means that they're always watching, and it means that
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  Speaker 1: Lady Gaga is one of them. She can't help herself.
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  Speaker 1: She's making the symbol now at the dinner table, dressed
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  Speaker 1: in another McQueen cloak. Everyone at the table is dressed
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  Speaker 1: to the nines. This is a special event, one of
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  Speaker 1: a handful of high profiles secret gatherings held every year
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  Speaker 1: at undisclosed elite enclaves. The guest list is tight. Gaga
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  Speaker 1: is seated next to former President Bill Clinton, who can't
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  Speaker 1: help but be charmed by the sexy, young Italian woman
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  Speaker 1: at his side. Gaga knows that she's special about It
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  Speaker 1: was Bill's office that recommended to the incoming Biden administration
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  Speaker 1: that she sing at the forty six president's inauguration. You see,
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  Speaker 1: these are the types of results that come from being
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  Speaker 1: part of this group, which is why Gaga thought so
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  Speaker 1: hard to be accepted. She knew even back in her
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  Speaker 1: Lower East Side days, that there's fame and then there's
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  Speaker 1: the fame. They're two wildly different things. Fame gets you
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  Speaker 1: up on the screen, on the pages of the magazines,
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  Speaker 1: on the covers of newspapers. Fame gets you clicks and
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  Speaker 1: likes and shares. But fame is fleeting. It guarantees you nothing.
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  Speaker 1: The fame, on the other hand, gets you a seat
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  Speaker 1: at the table and access to the most powerful people
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  Speaker 1: in the world, people who will help you because they
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  Speaker 1: know you'll help them, and because they also know you
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  Speaker 1: can keep a secret, because they know your darkest scenects.
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  Speaker 1: They know what you did to your friend, and you
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  Speaker 1: know they know, so whatever they do for you and
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  Speaker 1: whatever you do for them, it stays within the organization,
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  Speaker 1: and you'll never tell, and you'll continue supporting each other,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: and the wheel of power will continuously spin for you
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  Speaker 1: and your elite group of associates, and the fame will
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  Speaker 1: be preserved. The Illuminati is not a new organization. Its
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  Speaker 1: roots go back to seventeen seventy six in Bavaria, when
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  Speaker 1: the powerful realized that the coming trend of democracy would
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  Speaker 1: spread globally and that the people, once they had power,
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  Speaker 1: would most certainly destroy everything. The global class of emperors,
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  Speaker 1: kings and rulers had spent the past many centuries building,
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  Speaker 1: so there was a sudden need for a secret organization,
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  Speaker 1: a secret class of power brokers, to keep the world
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  Speaker 1: running the way God in tended it to run, and
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: thus the Bavarian Illuminati was formed. The Catholics quickly forced
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  Speaker 1: the organization underground, where it has remained, but spread beyond
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  Speaker 1: Europe to the new power center in the States, pulling
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  Speaker 1: the strings of the new world order and shaping global
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  Speaker 1: events and attitudes ever since. Illuminati members have carte blanche.
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  Speaker 1: They can exist with immunity from any nation's laws, provided
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  Speaker 1: they support and protect their fellow members and the organization,
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  Speaker 1: which in turn, the Illuminati believes protects the world. Sacrifice
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  Speaker 1: is prerequisite to membership, and when members make grave mistakes,
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  Speaker 1: usually behaving publicly in ways that betray the secrecy of
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: the group, then additional grave sacrifices are required. The group
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  Speaker 1: is large but tight. Occasionally, others who achieve certain status
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  Speaker 1: and power on their own, as Lady Gaga had, are
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  Speaker 1: invited in. If they refuse, they themselves are sacrificed. President
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  Speaker 1: John F. Kennedy learned this the hard way, as did
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  Speaker 1: his son. Gaga looks across as a table at Bill's
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  Speaker 1: wife Hillary Gaga knows all about their additional sacrifices. Vince
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  Speaker 1: Foster seth Rich. She looks down the table at Jay
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  Speaker 1: Z seated next to his wife Beyonce, and Gaga thinks
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  Speaker 1: about Becky with good hair. George W. Bush is seated
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  Speaker 1: next to Beyonce, and he's making her laugh. In his
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  Speaker 1: old age, he looks exactly like his father, George H. W. Bush,
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  Speaker 1: one of the most notorious and deadliest members of this group, which,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: given that his son fabricated a war in the Middle
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  Speaker 1: East out of well, pretty much nothing is saying something.
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  Speaker 1: Chrissy Tigan and John Legend are seated at the far
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  Speaker 1: end of the table pur their request, they're being served
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  Speaker 1: exclusively by little people. Their diminutive servers have blacked out
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  Speaker 1: Panda eyes rates them mercilessly with every visit to the table.
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  Speaker 1: Her tongue is wicked, and John is silent. Gaga prays
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  Speaker 1: he won't sing this evening. Tom Hanks and Oprah have
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  Speaker 1: their own eyes blacked out like Panda's in solidarity with
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: the little people. This minor rebellion goes unchallenged. Jimmy Kimmel
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  Speaker 1: is seated next to Oprah, and he's dressed as Oprah
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  Speaker 1: in blackface, of course, as he'd famously done on his
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  Speaker 1: series The Man Show. Jimmy fixes his attention on a
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  Speaker 1: single chocolate doughnut that sits on a pristine plate in
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  Speaker 1: front of him. Gaga wonders if the others get the joke.
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  Speaker 1: It's a reference to an incredibly offensive bit in an
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  Speaker 1: old episode of The Man Show that she's seen a
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: million times. There's an empty seat reserved for Sean Ditty Combs,
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  Speaker 1: which will be occupied in two to four. Gaga's heart
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  Speaker 1: skips a beat when she considers Ditty's return. He creeps
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  Speaker 1: her the fuck out those stories about Kim and Pawk big.
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  Speaker 1: The rest of the seats around the large table are
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  Speaker 1: filled with less than boldface names government operatives, CIA agents,
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  Speaker 1: and entertainment industry leaders. This organization has expertly used its
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: members from government and big business to shape and control
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  Speaker 1: world events, everything from the French Revolution King Louis and
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  Speaker 1: Marie Antoinette wouldn't play a ball to the Kennedy assassination.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, come on, you can't just tell the world
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  Speaker 1: you're going to destroy the CIA and to quote a
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  Speaker 1: thousand pieces and expect nothing to happen to you. And
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: to Watergate because well because Nixon knew who killed Jack,
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  Speaker 1: the crack epidemic and the spread of HIV and AIDS,
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  Speaker 1: the population control nine to eleven, it's too complicated and
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: COVID done. You might look at the outcome of these
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: events and see only death and destruction, but members of
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: the organization look at these events and see order control.
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  Speaker 1: Without the order they provide, they believe there would quite
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  Speaker 1: literally be no world at all. Everything would crumble in
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: their reward for this stewardship, literally whatever they want in
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: this world, money, sex, power, the fame, all of it, endless.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Lady Gaga looked up from her rightful seat at the
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  Speaker 1: table of the Illuminati in there is no Illuminati. I
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: mean there was, but there no longer is. The Bavarian
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Illuminati was a real organization, and the Bavarian Illuminati was
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  Speaker 1: its actual name. But it was, just as I alluded to,
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  Speaker 1: eradicated primarily by the Catholics back in the eighteenth century.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: But if you're like me, you probably know people who
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: believe there is such a thing as the Illuminati, a
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: powerful cabal of global elites, titans of industry and tech
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: bros and politicians and entertainers who meet yearly at Davos,
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  Speaker 1: Bohemian grove in the Sun Valley Conference, whereupon they plot
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the world's next calamity, which you will most certainly pay for,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: and then they satisfy themselves with erotic sex workers traffic
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: from parts unknown while gorging upon the tender skin of
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: newborns after celebrating their latest satanic blood ritual. I shit
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  Speaker 1: you not. People believe this, and if you're one of them,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: please get in touch. I'd love to hear your take
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: on Lady Gaga's supposed involvement with the Illuminati. Though I
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: don't believe she has any such involvement, obviously, but Lady
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Gaga couldn't help herself when it comes to myth building.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: As we've already detailed in part one of this episode,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Lady Gaga is a master. Just as she expertly played
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: the media in her Detractor on the subject of her
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  Speaker 1: supposed intersexuality, again refusing to address the rumor, she also
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: perfectly worked the online conspiracy theorists into a fever pitch
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: of misinformation, which only served to further mythologize her identity.
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  Speaker 1: She did this when she told Rolling Stone Magazine in
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  Speaker 1: twenty ten the following quote. I have this recurring dream
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  Speaker 1: sometimes where there's a phantom in my home and he
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: takes me into a room and there's a blonde girl
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: with ropes tied to all fours on her limbs, and
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: she's got my shoes on from the Grammys. Go figure, psycho,
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  Speaker 1: she says, And then she goes on to say, and
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: the ropes are pulling her apart. So I looked up
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: the dream and I couldn't find it anywhere, and my
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: mother goes, isn't that an Illuminati ritual? And I was like,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: oh my god. These comments by Lady Gaga, combined with
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: the comments by Yana Morgana, Lena Morgana's mother, led to
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: the conspiracy theory that says, not only did Lady Gaga
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: steal Lena Morgana's style in music, not only did Lady
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Gaga murder Lena Morgana so that she alone could capture
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  Speaker 1: the fame they were both chasing, but that Lady Gaga
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  Speaker 1: murdered Lena Morgana as a blood sacrifice to the Illuminati
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  Speaker 1: to gain entrance into that elite club and lock in
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  Speaker 1: her fame and power for the rest of her breathing days.
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  Speaker 1: For the record, as ridiculous as it seems, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I need to state unequivocally that not only do
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  Speaker 1: I not believe in the Illuminati or that Lady Gaga
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: is a member of said organization, I also don't believe
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: that Lady Gaga murdered Lena Morgana. There are exactly zero
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: credible reports putting her on the roof of that Staten
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Island hotel that day, as has been claimed on the Internet.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: That's just something that's supposed online sluice put out there,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: but incredibly it too is something people still believe do
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I think Gaga appropriated some of her deceased friends style. Yes,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I think that's obvious, but I believe this falls under
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: the category of influence rather than creative theft. These conspiracy
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: theories exist, and they persist for several reasons. Number One,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: people crave explanation, and in the absence of one, or
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: in the face of one that isn't deemed satisfactory or
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: dramatic enough, people will fabricate explanations. This practice is as
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: old as time and it's never going away. Number two,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: this behavior is more jarring than ever in the current
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: phase of this digital age we live in, when massive
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: amounts of people lack the requisite skills needed to process
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the torrent of information that has become available to us.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: On the one hand, you have older people who believe
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: that media still operates as it did in the twentieth century,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: and on the other you have young people who don't
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: understand or value the old models of journalistic sourcing. Number three,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Music fans are obsessive. The connection they feel with their
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: favorite artists and with the history of music in general
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: is often so strong that no wormhole is too deep
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: or too weird. I mean, hello, it's exactly what we've
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: been doing here for the past seven years, and the
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: bigger the artists, often the bigger the obsession and the
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: bigger need for explanation number four, and this is the
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: final reason Lady Gaga. Lady Gaga herself is, like I said,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: a master myth maker. She knows exactly what she's doing
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: and she's been doing it from the time she set
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  Speaker 1: out to become the biggest pop star on the planet.
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  Speaker 1: Her origin story is at best a messy manipulation of
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: her past, constructed to paint a picture that her fans
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: would better identify with. The less credible pieces of herself
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: described come up were litigated in the press during the
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: time her star took off. Lady Gaga's music and fame.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Hypocrisy is the real Lady Gaga lost behind the poker face.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: The lie becomes the truth constructions of authenticity. This is
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: just a small sample of negative Lady Gaga headlines from
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Newsweek and other credible publications. But like Lady Gaga, her
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: fans don't or they didn't care, and her detractors, the
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: conspiracy minded ones anyway, they saw an opening. If Lady
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Gaga lied about her past, then why wouldn't she lie
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: about having a penis, about murdering Lena morgana about being
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: a member of the Illuminati. There's a quote from Lady
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Gaga and Marie Callahan's excellent biography poker Face, The Rise
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: and Rise of Lady Gaga, where Gaga says, I hate
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: the truth. I hate the truth so much I prefer
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: a giant dose of bullshit any day over the truth,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: because Lady Gaga knows that the truth, though sometimes interesting,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: is often far less entertaining than fiction. And I ask you,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: do you truly think that is a disgrace.
• 34:06
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• 34:23
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  Speaker 1: Do you believe any of these Lady Gaga conspiracy theories?
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