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Joe Henkel | The Christian Reeve Podcast | #148 | · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian Reef
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  podcast. Today's guest is an interviewer,
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  a poet, a content creator, a business owner.
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  And as of right now, a movie director, all the way from Texas
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  USA is name is Joe hankel. Welcome to the show.
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  Joe, how you doing? Thank you so much.
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  I'm doing wonderful. That was a wonderful
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  introduction. Yeah, that at the time, I wrote
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  it, it was actually before you release your short film and I
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  don't know, it kind of brought me immense pleasure.
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  Pleasure to be able to adjust it like that because I saw you got
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  really excited about it. And and the shots and everything
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  look, really, really good as far as the production of it and
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  everything. Yeah, that's the main thing I'm
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  working on right now. With yet yesterday, we just had
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  our second day of filming. We have one more day, probably
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  this Friday but we're still working on production.
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  So it's going to be a few more weeks than to or totally
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  finished. So, tell us a little bit more
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  about the Movie and just kind of the process of creating it and
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  also what your goals are because for a while, you kind of label
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  yourself as a future movie director, that was your goal.
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  And now you're sort of achieving that goal.
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  So so what kind of what comes next?
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  The yeah. So my main focus in life right
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  now is making movies. So, I have been doing video for
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  a while but it's kind of like evolved into, you know what?
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  I know my sister specifically. I want to make movies.
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  So I have started, we started this about two and a half months
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  ago in terms of the short film and my friend to Beatrice who is
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  a great cinematographer, even talk to him dude, doing a film
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  together and we have you no other projects that were
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  envisioned and talking about in the future.
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  But we decided to start with this one.
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  So it's a short romance that I wrote and we're filming it here
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  in Fort Worth Texas and Yeah, it's been a really fun process
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  and casting and getting the crew together and putting this, the
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  short film together. Excellent.
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  And in terms of sort of the steps after this, are you going
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  to kind of You got another project in mind, straight off
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  the bat. Are you still building on to
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  other kind of projects or planning them out?
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  And also are you going to try and publish this to film
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  festivals Etc or yeah. So working immediately after
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  will be working through the process of, you know.
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  However we can get this, you know, seen.
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  So first of all, I would be The theatrical release.
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  So, I will rent out a theater here and show it to nice area
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  here. Yep.
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  So we're super excited about that.
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  And then film festivals as we can, especially ones in the
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  area, for me, once that I can the middle of places that I'm
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  not going to go see and that have we have no connection to
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  doesn't make sense, but film festivals in the area and then
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  You know, whatever we can do in terms of streaming, it's kind of
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  competitive in terms of getting short films on some of these
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  platforms. But that would be fantastic if
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  we can get onto a streaming platform.
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  It speaking, a streaming platforms, where are you at with
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  regards to, you know, companies such as Netflix and Amazon Prime
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  because there's a lot of up-and-coming directors that are
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  now that are actually pitch into these companies.
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  And in many cases are actually getting a lot of success.
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  Like first of all, Have you tried doing that?
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  Secondly, do you have plans for that and thirdly, what's your
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  kind of just view in General on that and its impact on the
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  industry? Yeah, it's definitely has a
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  unique impact. It's definitely like you know,
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  technology in general is changing so rapidly but
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  specifically the movie industry is changing so rapidly but like
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  I mean obviously I would love to, you know, get my movie
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  places that people can see it. I love theatrical a I love going
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  sitting down in a theater and like, I think that's all optimal
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  experience for a movie. But I think some people for a
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  variety of reasons would rather stay home and watch a movie and
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  I mean, I watch more movies at home than I do and theaters but
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  like me and I love theaters. But yeah, as you know, my I
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  progress in what I'm trying to do.
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  I'll definitely try to connect with people at You know, some of
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  these streaming platforms. It's so especially because for a
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  while Amazon Prime had their Prime video direct and that was
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  like, a huge thing for independent filmmakers, but they
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  actually stopped doing that. So now you have to submit
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  through a distributor and all that.
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  So like, yeah, hopefully we find the right distributor for this.
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  And I would love to get other movies that I make on some of
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  these platforms. Yes, but Ocular interesting to
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  me how a lot of the biggest film making is a Brand's
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  corporations, and now kind of simultaneously making their
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  movies available for streaming and release in theaters at the
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  same time. You know it's not always
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  sometimes they'll keep it specifically for a theater
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  release but I mean so many of them are just kind of making it
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  available everywhere. And it's it's interesting to see
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  first of all, that change All that affects things like box
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  office sales and just sales in general because obviously, you
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  know, if you're signing up for a streaming platform you're paying
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  like a base level rate, you know, and obviously they'll make
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  they make plenty of money. It's not like they're going to
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  lose anything. But at the same time, they'll
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  make significantly more by you going.
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  And actually paying to see that movie versus, you know, you
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  paying a flat rate on same Netflix or whatever or what?
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  I don't know if Netflix actually shown those movies.
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  But yes, somewhere like, Disney Plus or something.
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  Yeah, and I don't know, it's fun that interesting but that topic
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  that you kind of touched on their little bit, I remember
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  having someone on the show, but well over two years ago during
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  the pandemic actually we were talking about Cinema and we've
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  got theorizing about whether or not it might spell the end.
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  The death of Cinema which is obviously like a very
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  over-the-top thing because I don't personally think that's
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  ever going to happen. Yeah just I just think yeah.
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  The the the cinema is so unique and what I think might happen,
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  which is already kind of happened, but I think the cinema
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  might become A bit more exclude. I reckon it'll become more
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  expensive and I think they'll be a lot of theaters will
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  eventually shut down. So you'll have like only certain
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  theaters, major theaters ones or history, whatever.
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  And those will be mostly just playing like the big boobies.
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  So things like things like the Batman.
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  Like right now the Batman whatever is going on with
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  Marvel. Whatever is like the biggest
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  Motion Pictures that kind of ticks all the boxes as far as
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  from a filmmakers perspective of you.
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  You need to see this in the theater to truly, appreciate
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  everything that goes into it, you know, versus if, like let's
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  say you're seeing like just like a rom-com or something, it's it
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  doesn't really matter necessarily about the Cinematic
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  experience per se. You know?
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  I mean, maybe some people disagree with me, I don't know.
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  But yeah, what what I think will happen is different than you
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  know what? I hope what happened in a sense.
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  So like what with the way that I see?
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  I wouldn't, I think like, Most films are better and cinema,
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  right? Satellite even the film that
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  we're making. Now we're making it with And
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  with in the front of our mind that we're going to put this on
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  a big screen, right? And the way that we created and
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  the way that we envision it even is changes some in regards to
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  like okay we want we're going to put this in a theater and you
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  know it's hard to have the same experience watching a movie on
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  your phone. It's hard to help.
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  Same experience you know watching it on your laptop.
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  I think if it's a good film it's best seen on a big screen, and I
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  kind of like, I kind of, like, I love independent filmmaking and
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  I love the classics, and I, I love some two big movies too,
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  but like I, I just want to see Godfather and theaters a few
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  weeks ago, well, her 50th Anniversary rice that, which is
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  a fantastic film, and was, I, was I loved seeing it in
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  theaters, but I would love to, you know, see some more Homes.
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  That are like the big budget box office, crazy movies and
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  theaters. And but sometimes it's like, we
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  only have what the small bit of marketing to decide if we want
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  to see a movie, right. You know, we only have a trailer
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  to decide in a little bit of a few posters which seen around to
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  decide. Oh, is this movie worth going to
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  see and theaters, you know, I think like if the cinema was
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  just a bit little bit cheaper, Instead, little bit cheaper.
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  I think you would actually see a dramatic increase in, you know,
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  going to theaters because I mean, I remember going to the
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  theater all the time when I was a kid.
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  And but the actual tickets were fairly reasonable, but it was
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  always the joke. Well at least in the UK that
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  mean was always. Oh yeah.
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  Don't ever get that popcorn. It will cost you like twice the
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  price of the tears and you know so whatever and you have tricks
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  that you bring in your own popcorn and shit like yeah As
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  fine. But then some point, I mean, I
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  can't speak for America, but here in the UK, the tickets
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  certain brands such as that the Odeon just got ridiculous.
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  You ended up paying like, as much as 15 to 20 pounds just for
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  a single ticket for not, not even like a specifically decent
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  chair just anywhere like. Yeah, and I think that killed it
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  a little bit and sometimes you get Brands like here in the UK
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  we have one called view which is fairly reasonable, you know, it
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  can be Be but still you know I think I think it's like, let's
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  say like the base rate was like and I know this will never
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  happen it just for argument's sake.
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  Let's say it was like five dollars or five pounds or
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  whatever. Like you people will go all the
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  time and probably multiple times and the irony is they probably
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  actually spend more money that way.
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  You know, you guys should make more money, but I don't know.
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  I guess it's just like they're always thinking of just like the
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  Baseline of what they need to cover the costs and and this
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  supposedly Cinemas, always make most of their money from from
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  actually, like food and drink cells and stuff interesting
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  while, supposedly, that's what people say, but it's like that
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  can't be true because it's like, I don't know.
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  Like again, when I was a kid like even just getting a drink
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  in a box of popcorn was that was considered like a big deal.
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  Whereas now it's like you can get like little meal deals or
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  whatever but it's I don't know. It's a little bit too pricey, I
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  think but yeah, it's interesting maybe if I ever Start a movie
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  theater or open a movie theater out.
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  I'll consider it. I think it'd be so much fun to
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  do just in terms of like having a movie theater.
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  This might be a good idea. I don't care if anyone steals it
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  because I love this idea so much and like a movie theater that
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  just shows classic movies that just shows like the, you know,
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  I'm DB top 250 movies and like you know for me like I would I'd
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  be willing to pay, you know, to go see any of my favorite movie.
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  In theaters, but also it's probably cost these platforms
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  and practice the theaters less the show, you know, a movie like
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  that's been out for, you know, 50 years rather than you know,
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  showing a movie that's just out now but I don't know.
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  I don't know why the system works the way it does because of
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  money, man, that's it. But good on top of that idea.
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  One thing I think would be really cool.
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  Is, if somehow you could make The streaming of movies, similar
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  to like how PRS works with music.
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  So, like maybe you could have like, you could make your own
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  little quasi fit, it doesn't even have to be a proper Theory.
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  Could just literally be like a big screen and like, 20 or
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  chairs, and you could just call it that.
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  And just, and you could, let you could say, like, oh, home,
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  theaters, and you can even charge for ticket sales if you
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  want, right? But so long as you pay that base
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  rate to actually like, you know, watch the movies and and it's
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  I'm going to pay RS that could work and loads of people do it
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  and loads of people would end up paying those for those licenses
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  to do that. And, you know, obviously you can
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  make a system in place so that if they don't pay it, then they
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  get fined like out there are so you know, just like, I don't
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  know whatever. But like stuff like that would
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  encourage not only like people doing their own thing and
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  potentially saving a bit more money, but it would also help
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  the cinema industry because it would a fortune to drive their
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  prices down a little bit and be, I don't know.
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  Think people more people will go to the cinema because it would
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  be more accessible. That's generally always the key.
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  But I don't know. I mean these days and this is
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  something I wanted to raise to, you actually just on the topic
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  of Cinema. I mean, I've seen old clips of
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  like old theaters and movies, like, people reacting to like
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  the Star Wars movies and like, the Yankees and stuff, and you
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  get like supposed like people going on like, you know, Darth
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  Vader revealing. He's Luke Skywalker's father
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  like There's an audience reaction, but generally speaking
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  people always tended to be quiet in theaters.
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  I mean HSN, I mean, I can't 100% speak for America here.
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  I'm just theorizing that it's like that.
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  But here in the UK, whenever I was going to a movie, you were
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  always told like don't talk during the movie and phones off
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  like shit. Like you kind of like always
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  conditioned, not to react. Yes.
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  Then where is now? I don't know.
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  Like, that's the new thing. Thing, isn't it?
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  It's like oh the latest Spider-Man movie is out and
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  it's, you know, everyone in a going like oh yeah and cheering
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  and all this and it's kind of like a nice moment to be a part
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  of almost like an experience, like it adds to the Cinematic
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  experience think that, you know, or it could be really annoying
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  depending on how you feel about it.
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  Yeah. I think specifically as either
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  new Spider-Man in theaters and I kind of experience that and like
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  there was that reaction Then I think to is like, most movies
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  that are out, there's not a lot of context to there's not a lot
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  of anticipation to, right? So it's nothing, you know, lots
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  of people went to see Spider-Man but like I can't think of like
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  five other movies in the last year that were released that had
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  that same anticipation, you know, like a little bit Matrix,
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  a little bit, you know, once bill on this big franchises but
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  so there's part of like them too.
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  A patient of it. I think the other part is just
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  like How people react emotionally, or audibly isn't
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  real reflective about in the film is at all.
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  You know, it's like people are changing, people are different
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  from me as like, I'm not looking for like necessarily audible
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  reaction, but I hope like when I make a film, it inspires people
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  in it, and it affects people emotionally.
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  But, you know, the audible reaction is, is interesting
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  perspective. It's interesting that you You
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  say that it's not necessarily indicative of is that the right
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  word reflect this, a reflective of people's overall opinions
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  about. I find that very interesting.
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  I mean but you're right. I mean in initial reaction to
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  something and then what you're going to write on the review
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  afterwards that I suppose, two different things.
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  I mean, like, for example, you mentioned the Matrix movie, I'm
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  a big fan of the original franchise, watch the new one
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  when I was watching it. I was like taking it at face
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  value for what it was. I was I'll be I'll be I'll be
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  I'm just going to be brutally honest.
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  I've said this in live streams, I'll give you my my thoughts on
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  this movie, okay? For the first half an hour, I
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  was just wondering what the fuck is going on.
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  Truly, I was like, okay, so it's like a bit of a parody and then,
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  I know, I actually the first thought I thought was, is this a
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  parody movie is this not? Actually, this is not the major
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  This is like a parody of the Matrix like that's genuinely
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  what I thought like in serious way.
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  I was like what what the I guess what I was trying to do is
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  figure out what they were trying to do with it.
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  What's the storytelling device here?
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  And then I realized no know that this is the next installment.
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  They're just taking a long time to tell you what the story is.
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  They're dropping in little Snippets here and there before
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  they get to the thing and then they basically just like almost
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  repeat the The events of the first move and it's like, okay,
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  fine. Loads of movies, have done that,
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  you know, Star Wars did it sometimes.
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  It's good to do that, you know, but I wasn't getting any real
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  Nostalgia, any hits like that. I mean, yeah, it's cool to see
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  Neo and Trinity and that was actually a good part of it but
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  their performance Stella. It's like they never left their
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  roles. Fantastic.
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  But home I got there are so many bad things for this movie.
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  Barely any character development.
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  There was, there was what a cop member, the actress's name.
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  But there was one key character that they built a little bit,
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  was assisting Neo and they built her and she seemed interesting
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  but then everyone else just seemed like cannon fodder.
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  So I just looked at them as like oh I guess they're all gonna die
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  then I just assumed that because that's in still you know what I
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  mean? In storytelling.
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  Yeah they don't build up the people they're probably just
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  going to disappear or die or something.
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  Yeah not always but generally like if it was a horror movie
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  they'd all be dead. I hated what they did with with
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  Morpheus I know obviously, they recast and that's fine.
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  They did the same with with agent Smith and sometimes you
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  have to do that, but I don't know.
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  Like Morpheus didn't feel like Morpheus.
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  It was still cut. It was an interesting
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  performance. It was it.
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  I could buy into the idea that Morpheus would be like that as a
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  younger male, but they didn't quite explain his situation,
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  like, like he was dead. But at the same time, He was
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  alive in the Matrix and it's a version of him, but it's not him
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  at, you know, and this is the thing.
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  Like, for anyone, listen to The Silence in the movie?
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  You think I'm being iffy with how I'm describing it there.
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  If he with how they do the storytelling in that movie like
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  like I genuinely first half an hour, I didn't know what was
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  going on until they literally spelled it out and I that was
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  what I thought it was but that the still the main storyline was
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  just very Strange. And But as I said at the
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  beginning of this, and the reason why I bring this up, as I
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  gave it a fair chance. And my initial response reaction
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  was, this is all right, you know, it's not amazing.
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  It's not really bad. It's just kind of.
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  Yeah. But then I sat down afterwards
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  and really thought about it and then I realized yeah, no, I
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  don't like this movie. This is actually quite a big
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  disappointment, and, and that's the thing I wanted so badly to
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  like it, I really did. And I really tried to give it a
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  go. Good, fair chance.
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  But I just there's so very few things that I liked in it and I
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  just felt bad for not liking it. But, you know, I just, I don't
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  know how they're seen it. Like, what do you do?
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  Ah, so I haven't seen it yet, but it is interesting.
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  How much we allow contacts. And other people's if everyone
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  was saying like, oh this is amazing, this is the best.
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  But Matrix movies I would have seen in theaters, you know?
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  Like sometimes I just like And I love the first one but the other
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  ones I weren't engaged in and all that.
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  So like I wasn't super anticipating that anyway.
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  But like it is funny. How, like, probably the number
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  one reason I see was just like, everyone's like, oh this is
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  terrible. And I'm like yeah but see that's
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  that's that's perfect. Because I mean you hit the nail
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  on the head if the overall response is either positive or
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  negative that's generally when people will go see it.
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  If the response is kind of like a then probably No One's Gonna
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  bother seeing it. So that actually works for you.
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  If it's, if it's shit, people will still see here in droves.
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  Yeah, yeah. Because and that's the thing as
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  well. Like I always try to be fair
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  with criticisms and and you know, like I never believed in
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  just saying like, oh, this is total trash.
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  Like, you know, I think there's always positives to be found and
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  there is in that movie like, if you liked that movie.
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  Hey, no worries. Like there are some some
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  interesting things in it and And I'll be honest even at the end,
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  I was still curious to see what would happen next.
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  So they did something right in the sense that they made me want
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  to see what comes next. So, you know, and that's kind of
• 21:34
  key in storytelling of any sort of, you know, is to want people
• 21:38
  to, you know, grammar for more, you know.
• 21:41
  Yeah. But yeah, I think too much
• 21:45
  credit is given to like, critics and stuff like, when something
• 21:48
  on Rotten Tomatoes gets a really bad rating, and it's like, oh
• 21:51
  well, I guess I shouldn't see it now.
• 21:52
  And it's like, well, I mean this take it with it that's just one
• 21:57
  person's opinion or one organizations opinion.
• 22:01
  Yeah. Okay.
• 22:02
  They know a lot about movies and what generally people most
• 22:06
  people will like but I mean there's been plenty of times
• 22:10
  when, you know, the critics have pan something and then it's been
• 22:13
  just a massive success and everyone's loved it.
• 22:15
  So it's just opinion, you know? Yeah.
• 22:19
  But I don't know that words like a buzzword in it critics like
• 22:23
  soon as people hear that they like, Oh, the authority on
• 22:27
  everything. Okay, yeah, I definitely have
• 22:31
  strong movie opinions and I have, you know, movies that I
• 22:33
  like and don't like and all that.
• 22:35
  And I think we all especially, you know, we all have the
• 22:38
  ability to put our perspective out there right away with social
• 22:44
  media and all that. And that's there's pros and cons
• 22:47
  of all that. I think like I tend to I have no
• 22:51
  problem criticizing a movie about a guy.
• 22:55
  Have more, I'm more cautious about criticizing artists, you
• 22:59
  know, because I'm like each individual actor and actress and
• 23:04
  almost every film that, you know, it gets a theatrical
• 23:07
  release like put their heart into it, put their time into it,
• 23:10
  you know, even the directors and producers, like they put a lot
• 23:14
  of energy in it and even sometimes the directors and
• 23:17
  producers, don't get the movie made the way they want, right?
• 23:22
  So like right? Yeah.
• 23:23
  I'm sometimes I'm off. Pretty gracious towards that.
• 23:28
  And that's their like obviously known as the trash person and
• 23:32
  you know but I'm not my mindset is like okay be a little bit
• 23:40
  more gracious towards the artist.
• 23:43
  Hmm. And give it more time and see
• 23:47
  more projects there in and see like, okay this is who this
• 23:50
  artist is. But I mean I don't I don't mind
• 23:53
  trash ain't a if a movie I just don't enjoy it and I don't see
• 23:58
  anything in it. I don't mind thrashing movie.
• 24:01
  Yeah I mean that the see that's the thing.
• 24:02
  Like I remember when I saw the response on Twitter 22, The
• 24:06
  Matrix, for example, people were almost saying like, oh, it's not
• 24:12
  okay to, not like this movie. I'll give you.
• 24:13
  Don't like this movie. That means that you have x y,
• 24:16
  and Zed opinion about political stuff and I was like, what?
• 24:19
  It's a movie like. I get that there's, you know,
• 24:24
  points and stuff and wider things are trying to achieve
• 24:28
  with the movie. And that's, that's fine, you
• 24:29
  know, worries, but This perfectly, okay to say, I don't
• 24:34
  like this movie and not have like any political beef at all,
• 24:38
  I just see it. Yeah, that's that.
• 24:40
  I just took it for what it was. I just looked at the movie as it
• 24:43
  was with the storyline and the plot devices and the characters
• 24:49
  and I just decided it's not for me.
• 24:51
  Yeah. As you said I, you know, I think
• 24:54
  it's important distinction like how you voice criticism.
• 24:58
  You know, there's a respectful way to do it and then there's a
• 25:01
  non respectful way to do it. You know, I when I see stuff
• 25:04
  like that when it's like, oh this person is awful and
• 25:07
  terrible and they didn't try and they didn't do this and did
• 25:08
  that, and it's like, well a how do you know be?
• 25:14
  It's I don't know it. Yeah, like I think people tend
• 25:18
  to especially on the internet, they go in to collect personal
• 25:20
  attacks, you know, like I've been watching just on a side
• 25:24
  note here. I've been watching a lot of
• 25:25
  videos by this particular, vendor called Red Cow Media or
• 25:32
  Though, some YouTubers and their filmmakers as well.
• 25:36
  And they made some criticisms of the the AVGN franchise on
• 25:42
  YouTube. The Angry Video Game Nerd for
• 25:44
  those who don't know, which is in of itself, like a look at
• 25:49
  YouTube channel and franchise, and they create a lot of
• 25:51
  different content, right? And there's over the years
• 25:54
  progressively, it's gotten worse and, you know, people have
• 25:56
  voiced their opinions on it. So these two guys film makers as
• 26:00
  well, same as James, Roy. F, who is the AVGN criticized,
• 26:06
  his work, they give their honest opinions on it and all of the
• 26:10
  attacks they got from James Ross, fan base was just like
• 26:15
  personal stuff. It's like, oh look at this guy
• 26:18
  in shorts or like, I don't know. Look at look at this like fat
• 26:22
  guy in his, you know, and it's like what?
• 26:25
  Like a, that's this really horrible and mean and not
• 26:28
  necessary and B, what does that have to do with what they said,
• 26:32
  you know? Like it's like almost like okay,
• 26:36
  you have an opinion. I don't like therefore I'm just
• 26:38
  going to attack you personally. But you know, I've had like
• 26:42
  YouTube comments before in the past where I would I would try
• 26:46
  to like debate someone and then they would just attack me
• 26:50
  personally and I just bought one done now.
• 26:52
  I'm not gonna. Yeah.
• 26:54
  Then gauge anymore. Because it's the site Ace.
• 26:56
  It's fine to disagree and I think you can do that like
• 26:59
  perfectly respectfully and still you can we don't we don't have
• 27:03
  to agree on everything. You know, I've got friends whose
• 27:07
  you know, I disagree with them things.
• 27:09
  I doesn't mean I stopped liking them or attack them for it's
• 27:11
  just yeah I've never understood that.
• 27:14
  It's interesting too. I think like right now, I think
• 27:20
  we're going in a through a phase of life.
• 27:23
  Everything. So so Critical everything.
• 27:31
  Everything. Every small thing, everyone
• 27:34
  wants to make a issue of the big thing that's going on, right?
• 27:38
  So like people like want to like who you voted for the like
• 27:44
  you're certain opinions on certain things are like so
• 27:46
  important and so like and people get so aggressive over that I
• 27:50
  think like there's just so much going on and there's so much
• 27:53
  pressure going on in each of it individual lives and I socially
• 27:57
  like I think we just need to be more gracious with that.
• 28:01
  And like there's reasons people, you know, think different, and
• 28:04
  feel different about certain things both in politics, both
• 28:07
  in, you know, opinions on our and then going to our I don't
• 28:12
  think like art is always going to be affected by the culture
• 28:15
  and always going to Arts, always going to affect culture, and
• 28:18
  cultures, always going to affect art, and aren't always going to
• 28:21
  speak to political issues in some way and vice versa.
• 28:24
  But like, I think artists should be more more free to create
• 28:30
  whatever they want without like, pressure to make it feel a
• 28:34
  certain amount of way. It's too and speak towards
• 28:38
  religion, politics social issues as much.
• 28:41
  I think like, for example Tarantino, I've got some
• 28:45
  Tarantino posters behind, me can see, it makes them my favorite
• 28:49
  movies, but he's often criticized of like why your
• 28:53
  movie so violent? He's just like, I don't support
• 28:55
  violence. I Make violent movies because
• 28:57
  they're interesting to me and they're good entertainment, you
• 29:00
  know. So it's like every Thing there's
• 29:06
  art behind it and there's, you know, the person the artists
• 29:09
  like Persuasions and life and culture and all that.
• 29:13
  But like, every piece of art doesn't have to be political
• 29:17
  like, think Pete, it can, if the F that Artistry wants to make
• 29:20
  that piece of art but like, I don't think there should be so
• 29:24
  much outside pressure on artists, to make a piece of art
• 29:28
  speak towards a certain issue to certain amount and that's it,
• 29:31
  it's specifically dealing with that issue.
• 29:33
  Yeah, I completely agree. I think like, you should be able
• 29:36
  to just create Art For Art's Sake.
• 29:39
  When I look at, like, everything that I do, like, I just want to
• 29:42
  entertain people and make people happy.
• 29:45
  You know. I don't want to get involved in
• 29:47
  like politics or religion or anything like that.
• 29:50
  They could be wrong. I've had people on the show in
• 29:52
  the past that have come from political backgrounds, religious
• 29:56
  backgrounds, and I've been very careful with that.
• 29:59
  And I, you know, now I've kind of heard away from that because
• 30:02
  I think that like, Ike. I want to showcase people's
• 30:05
  stories and who people are and stuff like that, but I don't
• 30:09
  want to debate and talk about these things not just not
• 30:13
  because I don't care. But just for me personally, I'd
• 30:16
  rather focus on creating content and creating things that people
• 30:19
  can enjoy. And in the same way, like the
• 30:22
  amount of interviews I've seen with film directors and like TV
• 30:25
  hosts, where they try to, like, get their opinions on stuff that
• 30:29
  just has nothing to do with the movie.
• 30:31
  Sure. Yeah.
• 30:32
  And then, they're like, oh well. You know, you must have an
• 30:35
  opinion on this or like that. Tarantino example, like, I
• 30:38
  remember the famous Clipper is like, I'm shutting you down.
• 30:40
  Yeah, I got. The guys name is Christian grew
• 30:43
  Murphy's a channel for correspondent in the UK and it's
• 30:49
  I think it's like the second time that's there was another
• 30:52
  incident with Robert Downey jr. Where he was asking him about
• 30:55
  like his criminal past which is like long.
• 30:59
  It's like long berries, like not even it's like a different
• 31:01
  lifetime Zone. This yassen.
• 31:04
  And it's, I felt bad for our DJ, but and at the same time, I was
• 31:07
  like, I loved his response to it because it was just like, do you
• 31:11
  want to ask me about the movie or not?
• 31:12
  Like yeah, no. Okay.
• 31:14
  I'll leave. You know, it's it's just like I
• 31:18
  get that they're trying to like, catch people out or like that
• 31:23
  push, some sort of an agenda, and it's like, look, sometimes
• 31:26
  people just want to create art create things that they to
• 31:31
  inspire or to get people thinking, or whatever and just
• 31:33
  Leave it at that and let people make up their own minds and
• 31:36
  decide. And, you know, I think that's
• 31:38
  always good. I mean, because many artists
• 31:41
  that, you know, musicians that I love growing up where that when
• 31:44
  they would get asked in interviews that what their
• 31:46
  purpose is with the music and they would always say to just
• 31:49
  get people thinking, you know, which I think is a noble Pursuit
• 31:54
  as any isn't it, you know, to provoke, thought.
• 31:59
  And anyway, moving on, I wanted to get your thoughts on.
• 32:05
  We'll just to understand why you're passionate about
• 32:09
  filmmaking. Like one what drives you to
• 32:14
  pursue this love of filmmaking that you have.
• 32:17
  Why are you passionate about it? Yeah, first of all, it's always
• 32:20
  been kind part of me. Like, I've always loved watching
• 32:23
  movies grow growing up, I've always liked the storytelling.
• 32:29
  I've always loved like, the way that a film is able to
• 32:33
  influence. Once people, and I'm always kind
• 32:35
  of like, had that craving to, like, I want to create something
• 32:37
  more with my life. I want to create something that
• 32:40
  inspires people that influences people, that reaches people.
• 32:43
  And it's kind of evolved to having Clarity of like, oh, what
• 32:50
  I think I'm supposed to do at least in this point of life, my
• 32:53
  life is produced and directed movie.
• 32:55
  So, like, it's evolved from, you know, I want to start creating
• 32:57
  stuff. So, starting to each channel on,
• 33:00
  I want to, you know, inspire people and and writing A tree
• 33:04
  and then kind of evolving into you know I think the best thing
• 33:07
  that I where my passion lies and where I think I can help and
• 33:15
  influence the most people and create something awesome out of
• 33:18
  it is making movies so it's been kind of like a slow process of
• 33:22
  me. Seem like a filmmaking is is the
• 33:26
  thing that I've been kind of looking for but also Like I just
• 33:31
  love them. I think it likes the
• 33:32
  storytelling ability and film is like, you can't I hate that old
• 33:39
  saying, like the the book was better than the movie.
• 33:42
  I'm like, how can I be a better than better than a movie?
• 33:47
  You have to sit there and read, you know, seeing anything that
• 33:50
  right that statement right there is way more controversial than
• 33:53
  anything I've said already about.
• 33:54
  Yeah. important, our forum and you know even as filmmakers we
• 34:02
  have to read scripts and we have to like books are important are
• 34:07
  formed not like for me like a movie is so much of a more fun
• 34:12
  and exciting experience of like oh I'm actually get to see what
• 34:16
  this writer put on the page or I get to like you know, and they
• 34:21
  both have their different forms and I'm not going to debate like
• 34:24
  one our forms better than another and but movie, you know
• 34:29
  Kind of combine the different art forms were music with with
• 34:32
  acting with, you know, a theater with writing and it kind of
• 34:37
  combines this into like a amazing piece of art that
• 34:40
  hopefully and my like, I'm the movies.
• 34:43
  I love. Most are the ones that make me
• 34:45
  think or inspire me or make me feel some deep emotion and those
• 34:49
  are types of movies that I want great.
• 34:51
  It's like I want to make movies that make people either think or
• 34:55
  feel some strong emotion or strong dots and like home.
• 34:59
  Get some kind of reaction and not.
• 35:02
  Change people's lives in like, oh, you know, they're totally
• 35:07
  different people when they walk out theater, but it's, I think
• 35:11
  cool to create a piece of art that changes like a tiny, tiny
• 35:14
  little thing in someone's life and they're, you know, I want to
• 35:16
  be a better person in this area. I want to change in this area
• 35:20
  and oh, maybe I should go call my Mom after this or, you know,
• 35:23
  like something that like Changes someone's life and just a tiny
• 35:28
  way. I think that's like a successful
• 35:29
  movie. Know, I get exactly what you
• 35:33
  mean with. Like I can think of certain
• 35:35
  times when I walked out of a movie theater and been very
• 35:38
  inspired or take him back or touched in some way by what I've
• 35:42
  seen and you know, I mean, books can do that too.
• 35:46
  But it's just, I think it's just incomparable, you know, it's a
• 35:50
  different type of Storytelling device in a different approach
• 35:53
  and everything and It one thing that people always forget about
• 35:57
  that as well. Is that like a movie is just
• 36:00
  like one interpretation of an idea?
• 36:03
  You know, it's like it's like when you get like reboots and
• 36:06
  read and what not and people that complain, I go, it's not as
• 36:10
  good as the original and it's like, well, it doesn't have to
• 36:13
  be like, it's different. Like, I mean, if you try to like
• 36:17
  legit, just remake a movie, like she almost shot for shot, then.
• 36:21
  All right, fair enough. You can make the argument,
• 36:23
  although it's not as good as the original, but Like, why would
• 36:26
  you do that? Like yeah, you'd be you'd go
• 36:28
  different. Like I always think I gave this
• 36:30
  example on an earlier podcast, but I loved the remakes of
• 36:36
  Robocop 2016 and Total Recall, I think 2012 obviously the
• 36:43
  originals were in 90 and 80 s respectively and they were
• 36:47
  completely different, but they were perfectly adapted for the
• 36:51
  modern era, but they were different, they didn't try to be
• 36:54
  the original movie. They tried to do their own thing
• 36:57
  but they were still true to the characters and storyline
• 36:59
  perfect. You know?
• 37:01
  And I was really surprised that she didn't get sequels to those
• 37:04
  movies but because it is what it is.
• 37:07
  But, yeah, I mean, it's just, it's just opinion isn't at the
• 37:12
  end of the day and I do whatever I hear people say like, oh no,
• 37:17
  this is right. This is this is how it is.
• 37:19
  And it's like, that's just not possible.
• 37:21
  Like it's a Binion, it always will be a pin.
• 37:23
  Yeah. And go back to Cold books are
• 37:26
  better than movies that are in my opinion, movies are better
• 37:30
  than books. Like it's not, I'm not saying
• 37:32
  that, like, oh, you can't have filmmaking art form without what
• 37:37
  we built on with books, right? You can every store is written
• 37:41
  down, you know, before it's created for screen.
• 37:45
  But like, that's why I'm passionate about filmmaking
• 37:49
  because like that's what I want to create.
• 37:50
  I don't enjoy writing except when I'm writing for the screen,
• 37:54
  you know, I don't know. Enjoy.
• 37:56
  I want to enjoy writing that novel.
• 37:58
  As much as I write enjoy writing a screenplay and same way.
• 38:01
  Like the other forms was like, oh, those are beautiful and
• 38:04
  those who make are amazing, and they all kind of influence each
• 38:07
  other. But like reason, I'm passionate
• 38:09
  about movies. Is it's my favorite art form.
• 38:13
  Let's move it forward a little bit.
• 38:14
  So you have this company that you're the owner of it's called
• 38:18
  create 12 media. And basically it's a business
• 38:23
  that helps people to develop their brands and create content
• 38:27
  that will help them to do that. And one of the things that
• 38:30
  interests me about yourself that I can relate to as well is that,
• 38:34
  you know, we have like we're multi content people that we
• 38:38
  have different spheres and we'll get into some of the things
• 38:40
  you've touched on earlier such as your poetry and stuff.
• 38:43
  I wanted to just focus on this business for a second.
• 38:46
  Like what can you tell us about the creation of this company and
• 38:50
  what your company actually does to help businesses and Brands?
• 38:54
  Yeah. So right now is Just knew.
• 38:56
  So I have a hard time even calling a company at this point,
• 38:59
  you know, it's just me help. Basically just want to do full
• 39:02
  time is freelance video editing and crew and helping businesses
• 39:08
  with their YouTube channels and grown and creating content and
• 39:13
  reaching people on social media. So yeah, I showed with con a
• 39:20
  company that's a business, it's a just me, helping people.
• 39:25
  With their social media channel, specifically, helping
• 39:29
  entrepreneurs with YouTube channels and figuring out how to
• 39:32
  grow their channels and create content on their channels that
• 39:35
  are going to reach Their audience and help them make
• 39:37
  money. Chill.
• 39:39
  Yeah, and II get that. I'm I also freelance and do
• 39:42
  subcontracting and stuff and it's always pretty weird when
• 39:46
  you start branding it like as a bell.
• 39:48
  But I suppose it is if you offer a service and you help people
• 39:50
  that is a business. It's just I suppose whenever
• 39:53
  people think of business didn't go well you know, got to have a
• 39:56
  Yeah, payroll and finance and learn.
• 39:58
  It's like it's not necessarily, you know.
• 40:00
  But anyway what have been your sort of biggest success stories
• 40:06
  with this particular against it? Figure out what their needs are
• 40:36
  and what what like they're trying to accomplish and who
• 40:38
  Their audience is, and just make fine titles and topics that work
• 40:42
  for them and be consistent with that.
• 40:44
  And YouTube is as a lot of fun, but it can become discouraging
• 40:49
  at first because it takes a while to start getting momentum.
• 40:52
  But I feel like whenever I went for any of the channels I have
• 40:57
  worked with whatever we find like two or three videos that
• 41:01
  start working and start, maybe it's getting 30 views a month
• 41:04
  and we start find those videos of like, oh, these are the ones
• 41:07
  that are kind of working. It's so much easier to double
• 41:10
  down on and like, okay, really chase after that.
• 41:13
  So yeah, YouTube is a lot of fun.
• 41:15
  In my opinion. See the interesting thing about
• 41:19
  use, you specifically, the II just really stood out to me and
• 41:23
  I guess again, It's the whole relating to each other thing
• 41:29
  because you've had some really successful videos on YouTube,
• 41:31
  you've had successful posts on Instagram, some of the stuff has
• 41:36
  been like, you create these kind of cinema cinema to kind of
• 41:40
  cinematic Style videos with like, you know, a bit of music
• 41:43
  and Scenic shots. And then it's you, reciting
• 41:46
  poetry, you've written or, you know, you try a lot of different
• 41:49
  things on YouTube and elsewhere and, you know, you've been
• 41:53
  successful in it, you've had videos Have been like, you know,
• 41:56
  hitting big views, and you've, you know, you've also got views.
• 41:59
  Now that have considerably less but they're consistent.
• 42:04
  What I wanted to ask about that which I actually had commented
• 42:09
  on one of your posts. I remember a while back but
• 42:12
  wanted to bring it up. Here is like how do you stay
• 42:16
  motivated to keep creating because you work your ass off
• 42:21
  like in every part of your life that you worked so hard.
• 42:24
  And, you know, you're clearly very passionate and, you know,
• 42:28
  you've been doing this a long time, I think, but at least four
• 42:31
  to five years. Yeah.
• 42:32
  About four years. Yeah.
• 42:34
  And it's like, I can totally relate.
• 42:36
  I've been doing this now for gosh, that three years or
• 42:39
  something, and I've had similar experiences, like, I had some
• 42:43
  viral videos. I had some, you know, I built up
• 42:46
  a big following online and I thought this this is it, this
• 42:49
  this is the beginning, right? I thought that while the life's
• 42:51
  going to change, right? And then it didn't and then it
• 42:54
  stagnates. And here I am still publishing
• 42:57
  and creating content all the time.
• 42:58
  Just like yourself trying to just trying to make it.
• 43:02
  So how do you stay motivated against this really sort of
• 43:08
  thankless thing that we're trying to achieve?
• 43:10
  Yeah, and stay motivated for me is pretty.
• 43:14
  I've just as I've learned how to and it's pretty easy for me.
• 43:18
  I figured out what motivates me. I love the process.
• 43:20
  I love creating both on YouTube and create a movie so like it's
• 43:24
  So much fun for me and then I stay motivated in terms of like
• 43:29
  saying just consistent is just like come from that motivation
• 43:32
  in terms of you know I know this.
• 43:34
  Why want to do now? And I know I want to scale and I
• 43:37
  want to grow it and like there's always also the business side of
• 43:40
  it where it's like, okay I want to be able to monetize all these
• 43:43
  different things I'm doing so it just takes consistency, takes
• 43:46
  growth that takes, you know, Finding connections from
• 43:48
  connecting the content. We're creating to whatever we
• 43:51
  can sell or however, we can monetize that, right?
• 43:54
  So, The motivation is just like from kind of knowing that I
• 43:59
  really want to do this and then like the discipline of the
• 44:03
  consistency comes from that but motivation but also I like the
• 44:07
  commitment I have to myself in terms of like a, lots of people
• 44:10
  start things but they don't find any success because they're not
• 44:13
  consistent in it. And even is not good, maybe
• 44:17
  sometimes and I haven't figured out a good product or they
• 44:20
  haven't figured out good content, but also they haven't
• 44:23
  figured out what works in terms. Like simple and YouTubers like
• 44:26
  titles thumbnails finding ways to engage people.
• 44:30
  So just like reminding myself that I really love it and I want
• 44:36
  be consistent on it and like even with you know right now
• 44:43
  more after I've done a lot of different things it's really
• 44:46
  focusing down on. Okay, what's been working?
• 44:48
  And what I really want to do and I've created, you know, lots of
• 44:52
  types of videos, I like that. It was a lot of work to make
• 44:56
  that video. You know, I spent 20 hours on a
• 44:59
  video before and it get like you know less than 100 views and
• 45:02
  like okay there was a disconnect somewhere either in terms of
• 45:08
  maybe this video wasn't as good as I thought or maybe you know.
• 45:13
  So and things like that. Make you think and make you
• 45:15
  consider a oh what's this actually a good video and how
• 45:19
  can I improve on that and just figure out the process.
• 45:22
  So like in terms of, oh, Videos, I started to become more
• 45:26
  consistent on that and like, okay, that's not my main
• 45:28
  passion, but I figured out how to, you know, get consistency
• 45:32
  with that. And sometimes it's like, views
• 45:34
  on YouTube. Sometimes, especially for
• 45:36
  certain dishes, you don't get a lot of you right now.
• 45:39
  By belief, some of the videos I'm great.
• 45:41
  Now, we'll get, you know, tens of thousands of use a couple
• 45:44
  years down the road and it's like, you know, being consistent
• 45:46
  to build that? Yes, that's the thing.
• 45:48
  I always hope and dream about is like, oh, maybe one day this
• 45:53
  Bank of content will Will actually get me somewhere kind
• 45:56
  of thing like and I think the same thing.
• 45:58
  It's like, you just you, what? You want to create, what you're
• 46:03
  passionate about, what you, what you love to do.
• 46:06
  And, you know, I've had people said to me like oh why don't you
• 46:09
  just create like one type of content or why don't you just
• 46:13
  focus on this one thing that's working and it's not like I
• 46:15
  haven't tried in some cases. I have tried to replicate
• 46:18
  certain things and it's just never really taken off.
• 46:21
  And like, for instance, with my show with my Cost is like a kind
• 46:27
  of it's an anomaly to me is the best worker put it.
• 46:32
  So like one show will do like really, what good good numbers
• 46:36
  for me. You know, maybe like a good a
• 46:37
  good number for me, would be like, if it gets to like, 40, 50
• 46:40
  lessons of use, that would be good for me, but like, sometimes
• 46:45
  it gets like 200 300. Sometimes it picks up these
• 46:47
  later on, same with the clips, the clips, you know, inevitably
• 46:52
  will always do better numbers anyway.
• 46:55
  But it's so random and I'm you, I'm so used now to seeing 0
• 46:59
  views, 0 lessons for views, free less, you know.
• 47:02
  I'm so used to seeing that at this point and I get through the
• 47:07
  same for process of like, why do I keep doing this?
• 47:10
  Like, I mean, I always know the number but then I don't always
• 47:13
  know that the numbers going to be there.
• 47:15
  And I guess this is a small faint hope that it might take
• 47:19
  off one day. Yeah, but it's like it's weird
• 47:23
  because as you say like things can't Pick up numbers.
• 47:25
  Like there's a podcast that I released maybe I guess I want to
• 47:30
  set up a year ago now and now it's picking up views where when
• 47:33
  I first released it barely pick the Bernie and I'm just kind of
• 47:36
  like, okay well that's cool but I don't really know what I can
• 47:41
  learn from that. Like, you know.
• 47:43
  Yeah, It's Tricky. You know I think in terms of
• 47:47
  like to finance the SAS I like what's working for us on on what
• 47:51
  would creating That's a little different.
• 47:54
  Very different people. So for me, like, and the people
• 47:58
  that I'm working with making money is a pretty important part
• 48:01
  of it. It's like, if we're going to
• 48:02
  create so much time on these this content on building
• 48:06
  something, we hopefully create something that's making sales
• 48:10
  and helping you like especially for us who are like super
• 48:15
  obsessed over in creating you know 30 hours a week on content.
• 48:18
  It's like okay, hopefully you're you're making some money to
• 48:22
  cover. So, for some people, like, the
• 48:26
  money is, is an important factor.
• 48:28
  Some people argue know, I'll enjoy my job in.
• 48:30
  I don't really care about doing this full time, and I don't
• 48:33
  really think I'm not too concerned about money making
• 48:36
  making money from it. I just want to create content
• 48:38
  that I enjoy and maybe that's assessed for some people and
• 48:41
  sometimes success is even, you know, growing or getting some
• 48:45
  Metric or gain more views. So it's like, first of all, I
• 48:48
  think it's important to kind of be clear on what we're trying to
• 48:51
  accomplish and then What were willing to do to get there, you
• 48:55
  know, so like if you realize, okay, these types of videos are
• 49:00
  doing really well on YouTube but I don't enjoy them as much.
• 49:05
  That's a decision. Okay, do you do you want to
• 49:07
  commit to, like, figure trying to grow or commit to just great
• 49:12
  in doing random things that make your heart?
• 49:14
  Happy see, you've hit the nail on the head right there that, I
• 49:19
  mean, if I could ever pick a line, the perfectly describes
• 49:22
  it, it's that It's did what do you want to do?
• 49:25
  Do you want to do what works and gets you?
• 49:27
  Lots of views and follows or do what you love?
• 49:30
  I don't want to make the movies. I love, I'm super passionate
• 49:40
  about but everything out, I'm willing to just focus on what's
• 49:44
  going to work. So for me, it's like, In terms
• 49:47
  of YouTube it's like I'm going to try to create the videos that
• 49:50
  I think will best get views and help me get monetized.
• 49:54
  And in terms of the social media content, I would say, like 75%
• 49:58
  of it is I'm going to create what I think, what helped me
• 50:01
  grow and help me reach my target audience and those things.
• 50:04
  But in terms of my art, which is my biggest passion, which is my
• 50:08
  movies. That's like, okay, I'm going to
• 50:10
  create exactly how I think is a really good movie.
• 50:13
  According to the process that I think is really good and what
• 50:17
  like so I think also like Kind of disconnecting what our
• 50:21
  content is and what our art is saying, like, you know, maybe if
• 50:26
  you're trying to grow and Tick-Tock and you're like, you
• 50:28
  know, what these are are as artistically fulfilling, but
• 50:32
  this helps me reach my audience, this helps bring more exposure
• 50:35
  to your art. Like you don't have to feel like
• 50:39
  it's, I'm compromising my artistic, you know, passion, you
• 50:44
  know, I think, I think it's a really good point.
• 50:46
  I mean, I thought a lot about this recently and one of the
• 50:49
  ways, Diversified as far as a Content creation is concern, is
• 50:53
  I've set up like multiple accounts, right?
• 50:55
  And so, like, I treat this Instagram Channel that I have,
• 50:59
  and that my main Tick-Tock account as the, the pub, for the
• 51:03
  art, right? Like that's where the art goes.
• 51:06
  That's where the stuff that I'm passionate.
• 51:07
  And really want people to see goes and then I create like
• 51:11
  these separate accounts where I just muck around and do whatever
• 51:14
  is trending or whatever, just to gain traction and like I've been
• 51:19
  experimenting. Hitting on Tick-Tock with this
• 51:20
  principle. So I got like a second account
• 51:22
  and I just I literally, I do actually use it for fun as well,
• 51:25
  like just muck around and actually enjoy the app for what
• 51:28
  it is and through the process of that, you obviously win people
• 51:32
  over because they enjoy your content.
• 51:34
  Enjoy what you're doing and then people will say things like, oh
• 51:39
  man I love the way you speak that you should do a podcast and
• 51:41
  you would like our see it's funny you say that they'll be
• 51:45
  like oh you like you know you could act in, you should do
• 51:47
  this, you see and you You know, that's how you cleverly promote
• 51:53
  and get opportunities to advertise yourself, without
• 51:56
  shoving it down people's throats and people, then are more likely
• 51:59
  to want to check those things out.
• 52:01
  And like recently that's something that's happened at
• 52:03
  least for me. And I think part of it comes
• 52:06
  down to wanting to try different things.
• 52:10
  As you said, tried different things that work and keep trying
• 52:13
  but I think also some of it comes down to like the having
• 52:15
  the right attitude as well, you know, because I'll put my hands
• 52:19
  up and said A guy had a bad attitude in the past about that.
• 52:21
  You know, I used to think like or worm of cooking interviews,
• 52:25
  man. This sucks, it sucks so much and
• 52:28
  it's like, okay, yeah, but like what is what's your attitude?
• 52:32
  Like what's your, what are you trying?
• 52:34
  What you doing differently, like, what where's your head at?
• 52:37
  Is that the only reason you're doing it.
• 52:39
  Like, you know, and I think, I think if that is the only reason
• 52:42
  you're doing it, then, you know, eventually, you will learn to
• 52:46
  hate it. You got to do because your
• 52:48
  mother, There also needs to be like a healthy balance between
• 52:53
  experimenting and being consistent with what works.
• 52:56
  So like if we're always experimenting and trying
• 52:58
  something new, but not sticking to a consistent process.
• 53:01
  That's before I found some kind of success--and like you can't,
• 53:07
  you can't have consistent success with always
• 53:10
  experimenting but also you need to experiment sometimes to do,
• 53:14
  find out what's going to work, right?
• 53:15
  So So, I try to balance that in terms of, okay?
• 53:20
  Sometimes I'll just create something that's a little
• 53:22
  different. And oh, I wonder what's going to
• 53:24
  happen here. But most of the time, I try to
• 53:27
  stick to a process stick to, you know, my main accounts, you
• 53:32
  know, I have other sometimes, you know, create other accounts,
• 53:35
  but then I realized like, oh, this is kind of like, sometimes
• 53:39
  it can be a good experiment, a place, or sometimes it can be a
• 53:41
  distraction. So, like, I'm at that's for both
• 53:44
  of us for all of us to kind of figure out, like, oh, It's
• 53:47
  helping me reach, my ankle, or is this distract me from it?
• 53:50
  This is fun. You know, or is this just more
• 53:53
  of a burden in my life? So you know, I don't have the
• 53:56
  answer there but no, y'all are figuring that up.
• 53:59
  Yeah, I mean, well, I think again, you hit the nail on the
• 54:02
  head perfectly. It's it's it's a process.
• 54:05
  It's a constant thing and you should chop and change all the
• 54:08
  time and you try and, you know, I think for careers such as
• 54:13
  ourselves where the passion is in the are.
• 54:15
  And we know what we want to do and we Have like your goal is to
• 54:18
  be a filmmaker. My goal is to be, you know, an
• 54:20
  actor and a podcaster and these other sort of things that I
• 54:24
  have, you know, and I always will put my key kind of hours if
• 54:30
  you like into that stuff and then the free time, you know,
• 54:33
  once I've done that, I'm happy, okay, I'll put another hours
• 54:36
  today or whatever, the rest of the time can be whatever you
• 54:39
  want it to be, you know? And as you say it's about having
• 54:43
  that healthy balance and get your priorities straight and you
• 54:46
  know but it is You know, it's a back and forth and it's I don't
• 54:50
  necessarily think there are any right or wrong.
• 54:51
  So I mean yeah I totally agree. I think a big part of this is
• 54:55
  just luck to be perfectly. Honest, I can't count.
• 54:58
  How many people have been like, oh you should get more views.
• 55:02
  Like how come you don't have more views and I'm like, I think
• 55:04
  it's luck. I really do.
• 55:06
  You know, I just think sometimes things connect with people in a
• 55:13
  way sometimes, the right person happens to see it.
• 55:15
  Sometimes you get shouted out. Sometimes none of those things
• 55:18
  happened and it just dies a death and it's like yeah
• 55:22
  whatever. But then sometimes, as you
• 55:23
  mentioned earlier, sometimes it dies a death, but then
• 55:26
  reanimates and becomes special and you're like, alright, I
• 55:31
  guess maybe time was the was the key in there.
• 55:33
  Yeah, it sometimes I think the most frustrating part of
• 55:37
  creating anything, or trying to build something, especially
• 55:40
  online is the parts that we can't control, right?
• 55:45
  So, for example, Movie that Mark on.
• 55:48
  I'm gonna make the best movie. I can't possibly the most
• 55:51
  frustrating part about in my mind about making a movie is
• 55:54
  trying to raise money for it and trying to get distributed,
• 55:58
  right? So like, because those are the
• 56:00
  two parts that I don't necessarily have as much control
• 56:03
  and raising money. A little bit, I can either raise
• 56:06
  my own money or I can, you know, keep, you know, trying to reach
• 56:10
  out to people, who would be interested in investing.
• 56:14
  But other parts like the distributed part is Like, I can
• 56:18
  control making a really good film, but I can't control
• 56:21
  whether or not someone that likes it.
• 56:23
  So that's a little frustrating. But same with content online is
• 56:25
  like, The frustrating parts are the views because we don't
• 56:29
  control those. We control like creating content
• 56:32
  that's going to help contribute to getting good views in all of
• 56:35
  those types of things. So, But also, I think, if we're
• 56:39
  more consistent and we put more out there, we have more chances
• 56:42
  of being lucky, right? Psych.
• 56:44
  Yes, lucky. If you win the lottery, but it's
• 56:47
  also if you buy a ton of lottery tickets, one of them is going to
• 56:50
  be, you're going to win something, right?
• 56:53
  So it's like and I don't, I don't suggest playing the
• 56:59
  lottery, I think it's bad. You somebody but like in terms
• 57:02
  of like the more you do something, the more likely
• 57:04
  you're going to go lock it, doing it.
• 57:06
  And the more you do something, the certainly It's like if
• 57:09
  you're focused solely on YouTube and you're trying to enter
• 57:12
  experimenting in your learning the best practices for YouTube,
• 57:16
  you're going to have a way higher chance of getting lucky
• 57:18
  on YouTube if that's your focus and your passion.
• 57:21
  Yeah, I agree with you and it's I mean again it goes back to the
• 57:25
  whole there's no right way because I could see in my head I
• 57:29
  could figure like two opposing theories that one is the one
• 57:32
  that you're talking about which is kind of almost like they're
• 57:34
  not putting all your eggs in one basket principal, right?
• 57:37
  Which Is perfectly valid? I believe in that too.
• 57:40
  But then there's I've heard so many people say to me like oh
• 57:42
  no, go have a niche. Got to focus all your efforts on
• 57:45
  one thing and put all your energy into one thing.
• 57:47
  And I can also see the logic in that to and how that works and
• 57:53
  and it's like you just got to do what's right for you man, what?
• 57:56
  Yeah, absolutely I think like with so much information and so
• 58:00
  many voices around us, one of the things that can be
• 58:04
  overwhelming and it kind of bothers me about culture, And
• 58:07
  Rob is like, everyone's telling you how to live your life, so
• 58:11
  like and everyone's telling us how to like exactly create
• 58:17
  right? So it's like different people
• 58:19
  have different opinions and you know, there's this whole culture
• 58:22
  which is 0, you need a high just works work so hard and then
• 58:27
  there's anti House of culture saying like, oh no, you need it.
• 58:31
  Take at least one day a week often you can't work too hard.
• 58:34
  It's like I don't think either of those are the right answer.
• 58:38
  I think it's like, oh, how much do you enjoy working?
• 58:41
  Like, how important is that your work to you and all those types
• 58:43
  of things and then like that way?
• 58:45
  Anything is like everyone else, especially people who are
• 58:49
  experts in content creating or whatever will have opinions and
• 58:52
  voices on it. I listen to there's like two or
• 58:55
  three people that I listen to like and I'm committed to their
• 58:58
  process because it works and I believe in it, right?
• 59:01
  But like But even the people who have the best knowledge on like,
• 59:08
  what's Best Practices to grow on YouTube?
• 59:10
  Don't have the same goals as you do.
• 59:13
  I think that's the key as well. Like every human being is
• 59:16
  different and every human being has different focuses or goals
• 59:20
  aspirations different ways and doing things and also you know
• 59:24
  just a different Vision. Yeah it reminds me of a
• 59:26
  conversation I had with my dad about a year ago and we were
• 59:30
  talking about his diet cause my dad doesn't eat as much as you.
• 59:33
  It and we got talking about it and I sort of said to him like
• 59:38
  lady, listen, you know you got to eat more consistently.
• 59:41
  They have at least couple meals a day and stuff like that and he
• 59:43
  sort of turned to me and he was like that, this is what works
• 59:47
  for me. and, That particular, you know, mindset, that's been
• 59:54
  taught, you know, you have to have three meals a day or
• 59:57
  whatever. That's just one way of doing
• 1:00:00
  things that and that's one truth.
• 1:00:02
  So same as going to the gym, but once one person does not work
• 1:00:06
  for the other person because every person is different and
• 1:00:08
  you just have to find what works for you.
• 1:00:10
  And yeah, that's hard, isn't it? I'm like, there's also so many
• 1:00:18
  perspectives. There's so many different diets
• 1:00:20
  are so many Things it's like, okay.
• 1:00:23
  I try to stay informed and like, okay, I want to be healthy.
• 1:00:26
  I want to live to 100. I want to like, you know, and I
• 1:00:30
  want to, when I'm 85, like, being a healthy State and it's
• 1:00:33
  like, okay, what can I best do now to contribute to that and
• 1:00:36
  all those types of things and what's, what can I best?
• 1:00:40
  How can best take care of my body?
• 1:00:41
  So I'm not hurt, don't get hurt as much and all those types of
• 1:00:44
  things, right. But there's also so much
• 1:00:46
  information and there's so many voices in there.
• 1:00:48
  So many people saying do this, I do this, I don't do this.
• 1:00:51
  You know, so it's like also with that.
• 1:00:53
  It's like Yes, there's a clear end goal for me, be healthy.
• 1:00:58
  They've a awesome life and feel good, right?
• 1:01:03
  But like even the information is hard to kind of interpret, sure?
• 1:01:10
  For sure. This switch up a little bit, I
• 1:01:12
  want to talk about your work as an interviewer because I found
• 1:01:16
  this quite interesting. So you you regularly interview
• 1:01:19
  actors from all sorts of successful shows, kind of blew
• 1:01:22
  me away like some of the people you've Interviewed.
• 1:01:24
  And so I just wanted to ask that.
• 1:01:27
  How did you get into view into a interviewing?
• 1:01:30
  My apologies. And yeah, just like how do you
• 1:01:34
  procure your guests? How, how are you involved in
• 1:01:36
  this kind of community? How did you set this up?
• 1:01:39
  Yeah, so I work for a magazine that's based on New York City,
• 1:01:45
  but it's called a nocturnal and they are just entertainment
• 1:01:53
  magazine. So, They focus on, you know, on
• 1:01:56
  mostly on TV and film, but also music and at the different
• 1:02:00
  entertainment and industries. And I'm super passionate about
• 1:02:03
  movies and films, though. They give me at they they let
• 1:02:06
  me, you know, do those interviews and stuff.
• 1:02:08
  So like I've just been super blessed with the opportunity to
• 1:02:12
  work with them and so they organized it and they just set
• 1:02:17
  me up with interviews and I get to interview and right.
• 1:02:21
  So and then so that's so much fun.
• 1:02:24
  And they have connections that I don't have and then I have my
• 1:02:27
  own podcast where I'm kind of going more than the traditional
• 1:02:32
  row of like oh this interesting person or someone know that I
• 1:02:36
  know someone where I'm like, okay they're talking about one
• 1:02:39
  of the few things that I'm focus on which is creating media and
• 1:02:46
  sometimes I have actors on there and filmmakers on there too.
• 1:02:49
  And I'm moving more towards that direction and most of the
• 1:02:52
  content that I create, but And that that is like totally the
• 1:02:59
  I'm in control of that content in terms of, you know who I have
• 1:03:01
  on and who I connect with and yeah but both are a lot of fun
• 1:03:07
  because say it must be like a tremendous opportunity to do.
• 1:03:12
  What I'm going to use the word too.
• 1:03:14
  Kind of like poached talent in a sense because Le you have these
• 1:03:18
  people either on your show or you get introduced to them via
• 1:03:23
  this, this company that you're working.
• 1:03:24
  To with so you meet them and obviously you know they say oh
• 1:03:28
  this guy's very good at interviewing.
• 1:03:30
  Oh you're a filmmaker to what kind of project because that's
• 1:03:33
  that's how acting is like. For those who don't know, it's
• 1:03:36
  just one big conversation and everyone's just connecting with
• 1:03:39
  the time and not always, but you just get to know people like
• 1:03:42
  that. Yeah.
• 1:03:43
  So it's like the very first acting shoot.
• 1:03:45
  I did. When I came back to England as
• 1:03:48
  you know, so I'm not biting. Well, when I started acting
• 1:03:50
  again, this this year, the very first short film that I did.
• 1:03:54
  I met like at least five or six actors right off the bat and we
• 1:03:58
  all just connected and we're talking and we're still in touch
• 1:04:00
  to looking and observing each other's projects and and
• 1:04:03
  supporting each other. And I think that's really cool.
• 1:04:05
  You know? It's because everyone's just
• 1:04:08
  trying to make it, you know. But is that something you find
• 1:04:11
  yourself doing as well? You managed to kind of.
• 1:04:14
  Yeah, I have it. Anyone that have interviewed for
• 1:04:17
  the magazine that I work for, I haven't had on my podcast or
• 1:04:19
  work with but I mean I plan to be in filmmaking the rest of my
• 1:04:22
  life that, you know, Paths will cross eventually and I truly
• 1:04:27
  believe you're a good person. Either trying to care for people
• 1:04:30
  and you're doing things that are kind and ethical way.
• 1:04:33
  Like people are going to see. Oh, this person is a good
• 1:04:37
  person. And if you if they have, if you
• 1:04:39
  have something that they're looking for, the connections are
• 1:04:42
  going to be made and also it's like if you're able to spend
• 1:04:45
  more time in that area and that so like for me I volunteer on
• 1:04:51
  other people's movies. Sometimes he's like, okay, I'm
• 1:04:53
  not getting paid for this. Bye.
• 1:04:54
  Matt, other people and some people are working on my movie
• 1:04:57
  or on other movies in like, oh, this person fit person is great
• 1:05:01
  for this role. So I asked him to audition and
• 1:05:03
  he got the lead part, Michael, you know.
• 1:05:04
  So like that would have happened if I wasn't intentionally
• 1:05:08
  engaging with people in the community so that so in terms of
• 1:05:12
  like filmmaking is like interviewing people course good,
• 1:05:16
  you can interview, especially through zoom and stuff.
• 1:05:18
  And you one who says, yes, like anywhere in the world, working
• 1:05:21
  on film sets, you know, taking Classes.
• 1:05:25
  The following people on social media, and commenting on their
• 1:05:30
  posts or or like all those different things or if you have
• 1:05:33
  a specific need and say, oh, this is what I need.
• 1:05:37
  Or this one I'm looking for connecting with people that, you
• 1:05:39
  know, and trust that they're like oh do you know anyone has
• 1:05:42
  this? So like being especially in
• 1:05:45
  film. But in any industry is like
• 1:05:47
  being extremely intentional about trying to connect with
• 1:05:51
  those people. I yeah, I couldn't agree.
• 1:05:54
  Remove with you on this one. I think that obviously you, I
• 1:05:58
  mean, you know, when when people are trying to use you or
• 1:06:00
  whatever like you can feel it, you can see it.
• 1:06:02
  But yeah, when you are just genuinely supporting each other
• 1:06:06
  and just just talking to people really, it's amazing like
• 1:06:11
  people's memories as well in the sense that like, like I had, I
• 1:06:16
  had people that I've acted with previously, like, contact me
• 1:06:20
  with started the blue and be like, oh, hey, saw, this role
• 1:06:22
  was going. Have you seen this?
• 1:06:25
  Because they were met. Yeah like they remember they
• 1:06:27
  remember that you're just like them just trying to make it and
• 1:06:30
  you suggest each other and you help each other out.
• 1:06:32
  But it's yeah I think intention is key in and showing an
• 1:06:36
  appropriate level of respect to each other as well.
• 1:06:39
  I mean, so far what I've seen in the acting industry and I'm not
• 1:06:43
  an expert, I'm still very nervous to this, but I all I've
• 1:06:46
  seen is predominantly respect and, and just everyone working
• 1:06:51
  hard to create something together, which is really,
• 1:06:54
  really, Cool. And the yeah, that's one thing
• 1:06:59
  that's kind of exciting for me. In terms of being in filmmaking
• 1:07:03
  but not being annoying that main big cities.
• 1:07:05
  So like you know, Hollywood New York Atlanta.
• 1:07:09
  Those are in America are like the three big place where
• 1:07:13
  filmmaker filmmaking is happening stuff.
• 1:07:15
  And I, yeah, it would be cool and maybe eventually I'll move
• 1:07:19
  to Hollywood or whatever. But one thing that's really cool
• 1:07:23
  about me And a smaller Community Dallas Fort Worth where it's
• 1:07:27
  still a huge City. But like, there's not as many
• 1:07:30
  movies happen here. More people know each other and
• 1:07:32
  you, you're able to kind of connect with people more
• 1:07:36
  consistently like the same people were consistently and
• 1:07:40
  others types of things. That's like that's fun for me.
• 1:07:43
  It's like okay, I get to see behind the scenes and like every
• 1:07:47
  level of all these different types of projects and I know
• 1:07:50
  like the types of projects I want great.
• 1:07:52
  So yeah. Yeah, so much fun connecting and
• 1:07:55
  then you know even being consistent in different ways.
• 1:08:00
  It's like yeah, even though your friend to suggested you for a
• 1:08:04
  certain role is like it might have not just been from that
• 1:08:07
  film. It might have been from that
• 1:08:09
  conversation that you had. Also, then getting connected on
• 1:08:12
  social media and then they see, you know, you at least once a
• 1:08:16
  week and they're like oh I wonder what Rosie would be and
• 1:08:19
  then they see a row on their toes.
• 1:08:20
  Oh okay this might be good for you you know?
• 1:08:22
  So I was like all these different things.
• 1:08:24
  That come to play. Yeah, it's amazing.
• 1:08:27
  Like ever since I stopped focusing just solely on myself,
• 1:08:31
  as far as like, I still obviously prioritize that you
• 1:08:34
  have to do in your life, but when you see other people trying
• 1:08:38
  to make it or they're doing well or whatever you just want to
• 1:08:40
  support them, you want them to be successful too and so you
• 1:08:44
  push for them to get that to. And then it just creates this
• 1:08:47
  kind of like almost like support network, where everyone's like
• 1:08:50
  pushing each other and motivating each other.
• 1:08:52
  And yeah, it's just something really cool to be part of Love
• 1:08:54
  and as you say you just you just think people don't you just say,
• 1:08:58
  oh, this person all this, you know, whatever this is.
• 1:09:00
  Yeah, very, very cool. It's so much fun because one
• 1:09:04
  thing that's amazing about filmmaking is such a
• 1:09:06
  collaborative process rights. Like there's so many different
• 1:09:09
  parts and we all have camera own Loda expertise and every person
• 1:09:13
  on the film set or whatever. So, like that, that's one thing
• 1:09:17
  that makes a lot more fun that just sit at my computer making
• 1:09:20
  YouTube videos by myself. Yeah, I know you're spot-on with
• 1:09:24
  Like as much as I love doing the podcast and having these amazing
• 1:09:27
  conversations I have to say being on set acting and stuff
• 1:09:34
  like that is a little bit more fun just because there's such a
• 1:09:37
  big collaboration process in your meeting so many
• 1:09:39
  personalities and it's unpredictable as well, you know,
• 1:09:44
  not to say that podcasting isn't, but this is pretty
• 1:09:48
  reliably similar in the sense that, you know, you show up.
• 1:09:52
  You have a conversation, you know, Maybe you're inspired,
• 1:09:55
  maybe you're moved, whatever. But like, the, the structure of
• 1:09:58
  it is always the same, right? Same as yeah, videos, same
• 1:10:02
  whatever, right? But acting is like totally
• 1:10:04
  different ballgame, like you show up and like and then you
• 1:10:07
  get, you get towed times dates, whatever, but like it's always
• 1:10:10
  unpredictable. Yeah, I don't know, I love, I
• 1:10:13
  love that aspect to it. I think that's just an important
• 1:10:17
  thing, not just in acting, but just in life to have some degree
• 1:10:20
  of unpredictability and spontaneity.
• 1:10:22
  I think that's it. Makes life bit more interesting.
• 1:10:26
  Oh, for sure. As we move things a little bit
• 1:10:29
  for just want to get your I suppose general advice on things
• 1:10:33
  you know pinton little bit into your your mindset and things
• 1:10:38
  you've learned over the years so what's the best advice you've
• 1:10:41
  ever received. Good question.
• 1:10:49
  I would say in general live for something bigger than yourself,
• 1:10:53
  I'm a Jesus follower. So like for me like ultimately
• 1:10:57
  is the live for other people and live for God and but like in
• 1:11:03
  general like live for something bigger than yourself live to
• 1:11:07
  help other people, figure out your purpose, figure out how you
• 1:11:10
  want to help inspire people and figure out, you know, how those
• 1:11:16
  those natural talents and those develop talents. into that, you
• 1:11:22
  know, at the end of the day it's like, It's kind of boring to
• 1:11:27
  just live for yourself. No, I completely agree man.
• 1:11:31
  This this is a very recent realization of had myself as
• 1:11:35
  well where it's like just seeing everything a bit differently
• 1:11:40
  like instead of seeing the things that and again I'm just
• 1:11:43
  reiterating what Jose said here but like you see what you have
• 1:11:48
  to offer. And instead of saying like, how
• 1:11:50
  it's going to benefit you or make you successful, or whatever
• 1:11:54
  you think about, My gifts brighten the lives of other
• 1:11:59
  people like, you know, like like and this, this is one of the
• 1:12:02
  things that helped me recently with regards to looking at, you
• 1:12:05
  know, the things that I do in a more positive light instead of
• 1:12:08
  just looking at something and going.
• 1:12:10
  Well, the only good luck five use well of those five.
• 1:12:13
  Use a couple of those people told me that that stream or
• 1:12:18
  podcast or video, got them through like a hard time or
• 1:12:21
  inspired them to do something. And I'm like, that is amazing.
• 1:12:25
  It's incredible that right there, makes all the time and
• 1:12:29
  effort and everything that goes into it worth it because it's
• 1:12:33
  impacting another human being, and it's the same, it doesn't,
• 1:12:36
  it doesn't just have to be about, you know, content,
• 1:12:38
  creating all we do is just like, think about your lives.
• 1:12:40
  Like anyone that's listening to this right now, like think about
• 1:12:45
  Every day you live your life and the different things that you do
• 1:12:48
  that, you go to work you know, you go see a family, go see your
• 1:12:52
  friends, the things you say, the things you do for these people,
• 1:12:55
  even just little things like smiling at someone saying hey I
• 1:12:59
  asked an assignment. How someone is like it seems so
• 1:13:02
  small and not impactful, but that's huge and not everyone
• 1:13:07
  necessarily goes out of their way to do these things and they
• 1:13:09
  should you know because it can Stuff like that, can save
• 1:13:15
  people. And that's yeah, incredible.
• 1:13:18
  Yeah. And there's obviously things
• 1:13:20
  that we do exclusively for ourselves but when we're taking
• 1:13:23
  care of ourselves and when we're happy and we're but I mean, if
• 1:13:29
  eating only helps myself but it also helps me help other people,
• 1:13:34
  right? Right.
• 1:13:35
  Yeah. So like there's a certain part
• 1:13:38
  of that but then the other part is like, It's so much more fun
• 1:13:42
  to do it. Without jest yourself Focus.
• 1:13:45
  So, like, even in terms of creating content as like, yeah,
• 1:13:50
  I do it to make myself happy but also I'm doing it.
• 1:13:53
  I'm creating content that I want to help people, right?
• 1:13:56
  So I want to create content that it's going to reach more people
• 1:13:59
  now, want to create content, that's going to inspire,
• 1:14:01
  educate, entertain, someone, and in a way that's going to
• 1:14:04
  possibly impact their life, right?
• 1:14:06
  So, and even the people that I work with, you know, working on
• 1:14:09
  this movie and Working on set yesterday.
• 1:14:11
  I'm hoping that everyone who showed up to Onset either in
• 1:14:15
  some way help I help them accomplish.
• 1:14:17
  Get a tiny bit closer to their goals and when we have this
• 1:14:20
  movie out, they're going to be proud of what they created and
• 1:14:23
  that's going to be super fulfilling and me leave in this
• 1:14:27
  project and seeing these other people reach their goals in a
• 1:14:30
  project that I Envision, you know.
• 1:14:34
  So I think everything that we do you know should Contribute to
• 1:14:41
  our fulfillment in life but also contribute to helping other
• 1:14:44
  people. Absolutely.
• 1:14:47
  What's the biggest life lesson you've learned so far?
• 1:14:56
  I can't think of because right now about think of big one, a
• 1:14:58
  big one right now would be be patient but be consistent, you
• 1:15:06
  know, it's like so many things. It's like takes a lot of work
• 1:15:10
  and takes a lot of consistency and a lot of hard work, but also
• 1:15:14
  takes a lot of patience, you know.
• 1:15:16
  So like my big goal, my like, big dream in life is to get a
• 1:15:21
  movie that's like theatrical. Re the released internationally,
• 1:15:25
  like, hey and, you know, 15 years.
• 1:15:27
  I hope there's a movie that I direct that, you know, is shown
• 1:15:30
  all over the world and movie theaters, like that's like, my
• 1:15:33
  big all, but I'm also extremely patient with that.
• 1:15:37
  But I'm also consistent and Or is that, right?
• 1:15:39
  So being consumed be being a clear on what we want out of
• 1:15:44
  life and clear on our goals. But then being patient and it's
• 1:15:47
  like okay slowly working towards it and being consistent on it.
• 1:15:51
  And then also realizing, you know, if I take a day off and
• 1:15:54
  don't work on that goal today and I just play video games, or
• 1:15:57
  am I just going out with friends?
• 1:15:58
  That's also part of the patients.
• 1:15:59
  It's like I'm not in a screw Rush together.
• 1:16:04
  Yeah, I totally agree with you. I think that it's all about the
• 1:16:07
  process and the journey. more so than the destination, you know
• 1:16:11
  and like Yeah, that there's a I think there is a lot to be said
• 1:16:16
  for those in-between moments those days when, you know, maybe
• 1:16:20
  you don't feel like you're progressing that much.
• 1:16:22
  But you are just enjoying yourself and enjoying the
• 1:16:24
  process or just taking some time for yourself.
• 1:16:27
  Like it's all part of that longer journey and just reminded
• 1:16:32
  me of something as well. Like I was just thinking about
• 1:16:34
  like all the people I've had on the show so far and there's
• 1:16:39
  always like a big part of me that's just like so hopeful that
• 1:16:42
  there one day. To be really successful.
• 1:16:45
  And I don't know. Like like there's people I know
• 1:16:50
  that have become successful now and there's just a small part of
• 1:16:54
  me that's just like, yes, like it's just like a beautiful
• 1:16:59
  feeling when you finally see people realize their dreams and
• 1:17:02
  I suppose in turn, it does kind of give you a little bit of
• 1:17:05
  faint. Hope that maybe it will happen
• 1:17:07
  to you too. If you know it's interesting to
• 1:17:09
  in terms of like how we define success as like right?
• 1:17:13
  Yeah. So success is going to be in 15
• 1:17:15
  years when I get my movie out there and One in the world is
• 1:17:19
  going to be able to see it, but also successes, you know, wake
• 1:17:22
  up today and doing what I love in creating something that's
• 1:17:26
  meaningful and helping people and doing my job and those type
• 1:17:30
  of things that success to. So, Jim Carrey recently
• 1:17:34
  mentioned that he's, this might be his last movie Sonic 2 and
• 1:17:38
  kind of make Sonic like, Jim Carrey this legendary director.
• 1:17:43
  Why was Sonic to be your last movie but he's like, I Have done
• 1:17:48
  enough. I am and I am a not right, as I
• 1:17:54
  can, hmm. He's like one of the most
• 1:17:56
  successful in terms of filmmaking is one of the most
• 1:17:59
  successful people in the world, but like, for him to realize
• 1:18:02
  like oh where I am spiritually, where I am and my life where I
• 1:18:06
  am in New through the creative process.
• 1:18:07
  Like, I'm happy with that. Like, that's like, that's a
• 1:18:12
  bigger success than having the biggest movie in theaters, right
• 1:18:14
  now. Right?
• 1:18:15
  Like realizing, oh, I found happiness and I found, I'm
• 1:18:21
  living out, my true life's purpose.
• 1:18:24
  Absolutely. As we do things to a close for
• 1:18:27
  today, do you have any final thoughts you'd like to share or
• 1:18:30
  some upcoming projects that you like to share with our
• 1:18:32
  listeners? First of all, you're my
• 1:18:34
  thoughts, they are your great interviewer.
• 1:18:36
  Yeah well thank you sir for questions.
• 1:18:40
  Being on a podcast without like meaningful.
• 1:18:42
  Questions gets boring as a being that the interviewee its kind of
• 1:18:48
  I've been on shows like this kind of boring.
• 1:18:50
  It's like this person doesn't know about me even though we've
• 1:18:53
  never you know talked Seymour I just under research is so
• 1:18:56
  important. I just yeah I just wanted to
• 1:18:58
  check that. That is unacceptable.
• 1:19:00
  You can't have someone in your show and not have done research.
• 1:19:04
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:19:04
  I get I get halfway embarrassed. If there's like one detail I've
• 1:19:08
  overlooked which Which would at least be forgivable.
• 1:19:10
  Because, you know, there's always going to be something
• 1:19:12
  that. Yeah, you just can't find bit
• 1:19:14
  like, oh my God. Like, yeah, when they don't know
• 1:19:18
  any, like, I've literally been on other people shows before
• 1:19:20
  we're like, so, like what do you do?
• 1:19:23
  And I'm just like Well and he explained.
• 1:19:28
  It's like you should just yeah you should know ahead of time
• 1:19:32
  because I because I don't know with with myself and my focus
• 1:19:35
  for this show I look at it like yeah I could very easily just
• 1:19:40
  sit and ask someone questions about, you know what they do and
• 1:19:44
  stuff. And but what I'm really trying
• 1:19:46
  to dig out is who they are because I think that's much more
• 1:19:49
  interesting and also A while back.
• 1:19:53
  I thought about like how okay if I was going to have like some
• 1:19:56
  big shot celebrity or whatever on my show that someone who's
• 1:19:59
  like really really successful, right?
• 1:20:00
  The, the big thing about that is they've always be already.
• 1:20:04
  Been asked every question and yeah.
• 1:20:06
  And regardless. Like, yeah, you don't have to be
• 1:20:08
  famous or whatever for that to have happened.
• 1:20:10
  I mean, you've done, probably hundreds of podcast shows at
• 1:20:14
  this point and being interviewed hundreds of times yourself.
• 1:20:17
  So, yes, this is exactly the same situation.
• 1:20:20
  You've been asked, a million questions, You know, it gets
• 1:20:24
  boring saying the same that, you know, I sometimes get bored of
• 1:20:28
  it. Like you know, when people ask
• 1:20:30
  me to just talk about like or sell myself a little bit like
• 1:20:35
  who I am but who cares? No one cares about that.
• 1:20:36
  Yeah. I think the other part too is
• 1:20:38
  like what interests that person, I don't mind asking and
• 1:20:43
  answering the same question a thousand times if I love the
• 1:20:45
  question, right? Right.
• 1:20:47
  And I'm super passionate about it.
• 1:20:48
  So like knowing the person knowing oh, this is Probably
• 1:20:52
  what this is, what they've invested so much time into this.
• 1:20:55
  What they're probably interested in that.
• 1:20:56
  Just makes it so much more fun and creates a better show for
• 1:20:59
  The Listener. Yeah.
• 1:21:00
  In a passion is key to know the main.
• 1:21:03
  Let you go dig into the what that person is about and what
• 1:21:07
  drives them and motivates them. And that's what I always try to
• 1:21:10
  do this show as much as I possibly can not just to create
• 1:21:15
  good content but yeah I want the other person to enjoy the
• 1:21:18
  appearance to you know, because you take your time Your day to
• 1:21:23
  do it to speak for, however, long.
• 1:21:25
  And it's, I don't know. I think you have to respect
• 1:21:28
  people's time and give them a good experience as much as it's
• 1:21:31
  a reciprocal thing. It's like, yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:34
  Like, you know, be very easy to just do a show where you
• 1:21:37
  advertise people but I just, I just don't see the point.
• 1:21:41
  I think it's better to Showcase people and what makes people so
• 1:21:45
  special in whatever they do and just make that the focus.
• 1:21:50
  But I don't know. I mean, I'm still learning every
• 1:21:52
  time I do this every day. Yeah, every every show is like a
• 1:21:56
  different experience. Different learning.
• 1:22:00
  What everything in life is learning curve.
• 1:22:02
  But yeah, yeah, just want to say a massive, thank you for being
• 1:22:06
  on the show. You've been awesome.
• 1:22:08
  It's been a really lovely conversation and I really wish
• 1:22:11
  you the best of luck with filmmaking.
• 1:22:13
  I really want you to succeed. And I think that Just based on
• 1:22:19
  everything that you're doing so far.
• 1:22:20
  I really think it's gonna happen for you.
• 1:22:22
  I can see it and I think that it's just a matter of time.
• 1:22:26
  I think this much my pleasure and for everyone listening to
• 1:22:31
  the Christian Reef podcast, as always be safe.
• 1:22:34
  Be well and I'll see you in the next one.