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The Ancient Mystery of the Copper Scroll | Jim Barfield · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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  Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the program today, everybody. Mondo Gonzalez here in
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  Speaker 2: studio with Jim Barfield.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome Jim, thank you very much.
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  Speaker 2: And so for those in our audience they might not
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  Speaker 2: know anything about you and your background. We're going to
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  Speaker 2: be talking a lot about the Dead Sea Scrolls today,
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  Speaker 2: the Copper Scroll, other things, the journey that you've had
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  Speaker 2: in the land of Israel, which hasn't always been pleasant,
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  Speaker 2: but nevertheless we are living in super exciting times.
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 2: As we think about, just as a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: background for people, the Dead Sea Scrolls was discovered in
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  Speaker 2: the late forties early fifties, held up for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: I remember being in school and waiting for the information
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  Speaker 2: to be released by scholars who kept it hidden. And
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  Speaker 2: then it wasn't until the mid nineties when Herschel Shanks
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  Speaker 2: I decided to print some things from bar the magazine
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  Speaker 2: and unloaded everything. And so since then they've been a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more open for things that have been discovered.
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  Speaker 2: So we're going to be talking about again the Copper
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  Speaker 2: Scroll and what it means and what it is. But
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  Speaker 2: I got to introduce yourself to the audience who might
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  Speaker 2: not know anything about you. Give us, you know, give
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  Speaker 2: us a five minute intro to you and what you've
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  Speaker 2: been doing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah again, I'm Jim Barfield. I'm from in Oklahoma, just
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  Speaker 1: down street here and got I love Bible study still
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  Speaker 1: to this day. I loved Bible study and that's what
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  Speaker 1: got me into this. I started studying and I found
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  Speaker 1: the Dead Sea Scrolls. I cannot tell you why, but
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  Speaker 1: I immediately loved them. And honestly, I can't tell you why,
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  Speaker 1: because what I wanted. I had a real hunger for
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  Speaker 1: biblical information. All this other stuff is great, but the
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  Speaker 1: Biblical information is what I wanted. So I started studying
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  Speaker 1: the Dead Sea Scrolls. Well, then I I went on
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  Speaker 1: I went online and I was on a radio program
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  Speaker 1: out of Bethele, Israel, and there's a lady by the
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  Speaker 1: name of Tomorrow Tomorrow and I had the program there,
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  Speaker 1: but there was another lady was doing the class. She
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  Speaker 1: was doing a class and she was teaching Biblical information
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  Speaker 1: from a historic a Hebrew perspective. Loved it, so I
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  Speaker 1: go in and signed in. I signed in Jim, Apache, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: which is where I'm from, Apache, Oklahoma. I thought to
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  Speaker 1: be a good name, so I plugged it in, and
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  Speaker 1: about five minutes into the program, she said, Jim, where
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  Speaker 1: are you from. There's about twenty people in there. I said, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm from Apache, Oklahoma, and she left. She said, you
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  Speaker 1: kidding me? I said, Now, she said, I'm from Elgin, Oklahoma,
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  Speaker 1: which is, you know, at best, twelve miles apart. And
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  Speaker 1: now she's teaching out of Bethel. But Bethel, she is
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  Speaker 1: doing it by long distance on the so she said,
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  Speaker 1: let's get together. And she didn't tell the truth about
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  Speaker 1: where she lived. I didn't tell the truth either. I
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  Speaker 1: was I was about I was about eight miles from Apache,
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  Speaker 1: and she was about six miles from Apache. We lived
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  Speaker 1: two miles while. Yeah, my son we would we'd do
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  Speaker 1: we do sbot and they would blow they show far
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  Speaker 1: on Friday evenings and my son in law would get
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  Speaker 1: right there in the same neighborhood. She said it was
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  Speaker 1: driving me crazy. She said I couldn't because she was
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  Speaker 1: Jewish Orthodox. Shoot, she said, I ken't wondering who in
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  Speaker 1: the world is blowing this ship far around here?
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  Speaker 3: She would hear it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, guys, my son is about a block
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  Speaker 1: from her, and my mother my son in law and
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  Speaker 1: my daughter were about.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they carry quite far.
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  Speaker 1: It was crazy. That's how I got engrossed in the
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  Speaker 1: Copper Scroll. I wanted to show I do biblical chronology
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  Speaker 1: as well. I wanted to show the guy's The guy's
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  Speaker 1: name was Vindall Jones, remember here it well. He found
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  Speaker 1: out that I wanted to come visit with him. He said,
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  Speaker 1: come on, So we go, my son, his wife, my
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  Speaker 1: two grandchildren, Laurie. We go and they hosted us for
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  Speaker 1: the weekend and we had a.
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  Speaker 3: Wonderful Where were you at where'd you go to Israel?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, just just at their locations? Okay, okay in Texas.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's grand Field, grand View, one of them that.
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  Speaker 1: And so we go down there and talk with him.
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  Speaker 1: He starts telling me about the Copper Scroll. I knew
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  Speaker 1: about it. I'd read it because it's the Dead Sea Scroll.
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  Speaker 1: And it bored me to tears because I can see
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  Speaker 1: that look here, find this, and then go here to
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  Speaker 1: find this, gems on and on rom and I thought, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'll see what he's got. So I got to talking
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  Speaker 1: to the guy and he said, I said, Vina, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just not interested. He said, you don't understand. What do
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  Speaker 1: you like? And I said, prophecy I like, And he said, okay,
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  Speaker 1: he said, I promise you it's got as much profity
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  Speaker 1: as you're going to find. It is directly related to this.
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  Speaker 1: They he and I agreed on that. I believed it
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  Speaker 1: was a time at the time of Jeremiah. He bless
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  Speaker 1: what he believed as well, and I still they absolutely
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  Speaker 1: believe that. Well, the next thing we got into was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, what all was involved in it. He began
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  Speaker 1: to tell me that.
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  Speaker 3: His like his view on what the Copper School meant
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  Speaker 3: and what it meant.
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  Speaker 1: Where the location was for all that he believed it
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  Speaker 1: was like it was almost exactly one mile from the
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  Speaker 1: ruins of Kumoran up north. He thought that that was
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  Speaker 1: the center of all.
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  Speaker 2: So he so, but he still put he put the
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  Speaker 2: location of I mean, the Copper School obviously is believed
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  Speaker 2: to be from the scenes so down there in Camoran.
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  Speaker 2: So he believed that the location of I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: a treasure map for those that don't know that, it's
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  Speaker 2: only some instructions. So he believed it was close there,
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  Speaker 2: he one mile away close.
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  Speaker 1: And I told him, I said, well, okay, at the time,
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  Speaker 1: I had not got into it. Well, I was in
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  Speaker 1: investigator and I did well. I was investigating here for
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  Speaker 1: Oklahoma and investigated your international so I'll even bid out these.
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  Speaker 2: Writings that was and you so for You didn't mention it,
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  Speaker 2: but you were a fire fire fire investigator, fire investigator, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And I had all the other things that go along
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  Speaker 1: with it, like public speaking that sort of stuff. But
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  Speaker 1: my favorite thing was to do fire investigation. Well, I thought,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I did. I did pretty good at this.
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  Speaker 1: And after I met with Bendall, we had our discussions.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't understand his research, and I even asked him
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  Speaker 1: to Benda, but where's your research? I'm your writings up here?
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  Speaker 1: And I thought, oh my gosh, because if you're going
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  Speaker 1: to do an investigation, regardless of whether it's a doctor,
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  Speaker 1: you know, searching to find a problem, you've got to
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  Speaker 1: have documentation. He didn't have any. If he did have any,
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  Speaker 1: he never did produce them with me. So I really
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  Speaker 1: liked the guy, but his I didn't understand necessarily well
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  Speaker 1: his findings methods. I don't know what his methods were actually,
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  Speaker 1: but I decided, you know, I'm going to give it
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  Speaker 1: a try. I got home we watched Indiana Jones when
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  Speaker 1: we got home and that story up. Hey, yeah it did,
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  Speaker 1: and we my grandkids loved it. So I started about
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  Speaker 1: six months later. It was in April that I just
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  Speaker 1: decided to go visit with bendaal well, it was and
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  Speaker 1: I retired about that time. So December the twenty first
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  Speaker 1: or twenty second, one or two, I don't remember. I thought,
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  Speaker 1: why not? What year? Roughly was this two thousand and six.
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  Speaker 1: It was cold, horrible, go and I thought, well, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to give me a hot cup of coffee and
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  Speaker 1: sit down here and see if I can figure this
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  Speaker 1: thing out. So I set it down. I got it,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought, well, I'm gonna start at the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the things my wife laughs about is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm bad about not following instructions. If I'm
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  Speaker 1: putting a swings say or whatever it might be, just
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  Speaker 1: put it together. Who needs you? Always have extra parts.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good thing. So I started in on that
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  Speaker 1: thing and it said first line says under the ruins
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  Speaker 1: in the valley of a Core. I said, Okay, there's
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  Speaker 1: a set of runs somewhere in the valley of a
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  Speaker 1: core that I need to figure out. Where it's at.
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  Speaker 1: And I did all this study in with the Didz
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  Speaker 1: scrolls come wrong? Why not, I'll start with that I did.
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  Speaker 1: I started with that and it said under the runs
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  Speaker 1: of the valley Corps at the steps heading east forty cubans,
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  Speaker 1: meaning the step from the steps to the end of
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  Speaker 1: that pool, which it was rectangular long. It was forty cubans.
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  Speaker 1: So I broke out my calculator, did the math on
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  Speaker 1: it for how long a cubit was and how long
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  Speaker 1: it had be. Then I got the scale that they
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  Speaker 1: had provided with that picture, and I just so happened
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  Speaker 1: to a guy by the name of volpel Egg and
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  Speaker 1: yet talk Moggan Jitsuk was the top guy in all
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  Speaker 1: of the West Bank, and you've all was the top
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  Speaker 1: guy for kum Ran. They had just published the work
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  Speaker 1: like a month before I started doing my research. So
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  Speaker 1: I pulled it up online and hey, this is great.
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  Speaker 1: It's got all these measurements, and they did they had
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  Speaker 1: that particular pool and they gave you the measurements and
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  Speaker 1: I did the math on it. Guess what it was?
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  Speaker 1: Forty cubits long. I said, well, that's that's neat, but
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  Speaker 1: it's nothing about its conclusive, so I thought, I'll go
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  Speaker 1: to the next one. So I went to the next
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  Speaker 1: one and it said it said at the peristyle at
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  Speaker 1: the large peristyle at the north end of the community. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: there's And it gave at least ten clues. It's like
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  Speaker 1: a fingerprint. If you're lift fingerprints and I have you
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  Speaker 1: want as many matches as you could possibly get. Oh
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  Speaker 1: my gosh, it had gazillion matches on there. And it
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  Speaker 1: also had when I started looking, it matched up so incredibly. Well,
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  Speaker 1: there was nine hundred talents you know, which silent was.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, usually between seventy five pounds one hundred pounds.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yeah, nine hundred nine hundred.
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  Speaker 3: So you figure out a couple of zeros on there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, since I've since I've been working on it, I've
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  Speaker 1: had to renew it, renew it, renewed. My math on it.
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  Speaker 1: It was like one billion, two hundred thousand or two
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  Speaker 1: hundred million.
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  Speaker 2: So just to step back from and because I love
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  Speaker 2: the militia, the copper scroll is describing wealth. Maybe explain
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  Speaker 2: explain where where where'd the wealth come from?
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  Speaker 3: What do we know? And what's it about? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: is this explain that for the audience.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, most of your archaeologists and guys that did this study,
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  Speaker 1: they think it's Second Temple, Second Temple and maloney, No way,
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  Speaker 1: all the evidence, all of the writings about it is
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  Speaker 1: First Temple period.
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  Speaker 2: So this this would have been wealth that was stowed
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  Speaker 2: away or hidden before the Babylonian captivity.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yes, okay, absolutely, matter of fact, it was stored there. Well,
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  Speaker 1: probably one hundred, two hundred more or even more. There's
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  Speaker 1: one building that's there. It's a big if you look
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  Speaker 1: from the sky straight down on it, it's square in shape. However,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's it's like a pyramid. It slopes up. All
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  Speaker 1: the walls slope up. Uh, they slope like a like
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  Speaker 1: a pyramid, and it's like to cut the top off
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  Speaker 1: of the pyramid. Now they didn't. They built it that way,
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  Speaker 1: and that is where they store. The walls on the
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  Speaker 1: thing are about twelve feet thick. Now, why would you
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  Speaker 1: make walls twelve feet thick unless you had something to hide.
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  Speaker 1: They did. That's where they stored a vast amount of gold, silver, gems,
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  Speaker 1: and just all kinds of really precious stuff. They stored
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  Speaker 1: it inside of that building. Well, the year that Nebukanazar
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  Speaker 1: became king of Babylon. The year he became king of Babylon,
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  Speaker 1: I did all the math on this. He apparently attacked
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  Speaker 1: Kumrang and one of the first things that he attacked.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't attack inside of Jerusalem. He didn't attack anywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: It is right there. He almost won the battle.
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  Speaker 3: He almost found it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, had he won that battle, the Israel would
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  Speaker 1: have lost everything in that building. And it was an
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  Speaker 1: incredible amount of gold, silver and gems and artifact. As
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  Speaker 1: a matter of fact, if like again, if I'm right,
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  Speaker 1: there's one particular spot that is a cave. In that
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  Speaker 1: cave they it says in second McCabe, second chapter, it
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  Speaker 1: says whenever Jeremiah again second first infle period said Jeremiah
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  Speaker 1: was traveling to Mountain Nebo. He was going thither. Thither
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  Speaker 1: means he was en route too. Well, guess what is
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  Speaker 1: right en route to Mountain Nebo from Jerusalem from Jullior
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  Speaker 1: Lusalem to Mountain Nebo. You just a little bit, so
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  Speaker 1: it's not far off the road. It's well, you don't
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  Speaker 1: go on the road. There's a path. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to get into just a second, but we will
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  Speaker 1: is you remember the Olzazel go Yeah, where.
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  Speaker 3: They pushed I've actually been there to that site he's at.
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  Speaker 1: Where was it at? Uh?
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  Speaker 3: What was in the central Judeine Hills.
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  Speaker 2: I'll explain that, like okay, but at least I've been
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  Speaker 2: to a traditional site, the.
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  Speaker 1: Traditional Joe Good, the guy that we were talking about
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  Speaker 1: earlier before we came out, Joe said, Jimmy, I don't
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why they picked that spot. That's what
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  Speaker 1: they said. What are you going to do? Is Mike
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  Speaker 1: the goat mad by shiving it down?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: When I saw the site, I was actually like, oh ridiculous,
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  Speaker 2: I said, I could run down this thing. It's all like,
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be better than I I could. Yeah, No,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't. It wasn't the traditional side I was at. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's I know exactly what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we'll talk about that in a minute. But they
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  Speaker 1: en route to Mountain Abel where you passed right by Kumrong,
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  Speaker 1: because there's a direct shot from Jerusalem from the Mangate
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  Speaker 1: straight down through the going to the east, and the
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  Speaker 1: distance is exactly as its prescribed for the goat exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And not only that, but back to your point, you
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  Speaker 1: have to pass right by Kumrong. That's how we know.
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  Speaker 1: That's one of the many, many, many clues as to
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  Speaker 1: why kum Run has got to be the place.
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  Speaker 3: So we have just so people can follow along.
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  Speaker 2: You have the Copper Scroll, which again is has a
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  Speaker 2: list of all these treasures that were hidden again first
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  Speaker 2: Temple period, and then you have second Maccabees, which again
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  Speaker 2: is not scripture, but it's it's it's a historical.
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  Speaker 3: Record that we see a good historical record.
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  Speaker 2: Of Jeremiah bringing, hiding, going and taking the wealth so
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  Speaker 2: that Nebukinezer doesn't get it at least second. Second second
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  Speaker 2: Mackie's two on his way to Mount Eva. So you
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  Speaker 2: have these kinds of correlations. So let's go back. So
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  Speaker 2: just so people, that's where we're at. So now you're
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  Speaker 2: looking at the scroll and you find you find the
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  Speaker 2: first correspondence like hey this this, this goes this interesting,
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  Speaker 2: it seems to fit, and then you go on, okay,
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  Speaker 2: so keep going.
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  Speaker 1: Second one was the gold and then the third one.
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  Speaker 1: The third one was the cave I was telling you about.
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  Speaker 1: It says, it gives a description and it tells what's
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  Speaker 1: in there and what's in there. The biggest thing, that
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  Speaker 1: most important thing that at that time that was in
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  Speaker 1: there is the breastplate of the High Priest, of the
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  Speaker 1: High Priest, and for the day of Atonement, that's what
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  Speaker 1: he wore, that breastplate, and that is the one that
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  Speaker 1: whenever the High Priest would go out there, he would
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  Speaker 1: do the you know, the spot thing, and one of
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  Speaker 1: the breastplate stones would light up and there'd be an
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  Speaker 1: oracle come for nothing spooky about it, that's yeah. Then
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  Speaker 1: after I found that one, I thought, this is bizarre. Now.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things that after I got all the
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  Speaker 1: way done with the research, I was at the like
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  Speaker 1: the second to the last point, there's fifty seven of them.
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  Speaker 1: I noticed something, but those the last thing it plays
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  Speaker 1: directly into this part. I noticed that location number fifty three,
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  Speaker 1: fifty four, and fifty five, we're a straight line. I thought,
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute, I thought, what about location number one,
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  Speaker 1: two and three. I'm gonna go check it. So I
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  Speaker 1: stopped that shifted side, got my map out and marked
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  Speaker 1: them on. I drew a line, I took a pencil on.
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  Speaker 1: I drew a line with a straight edge, and the
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  Speaker 1: I poked holes in each one of them. And that
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  Speaker 1: straight edge of pencil would drop in those holes. That's
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  Speaker 1: how straight it was. There were three of them and
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  Speaker 1: a perfectly straight line, and the last one was the cave.
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  Speaker 1: Now this is the last five I was telling you about.
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  Speaker 1: Fifty three fifty four feet five beat six fifty seven again,
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  Speaker 1: drew a straight line and it went right to that
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  Speaker 1: cave where I believe the cave is at. And I thought,
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  Speaker 1: oh my gosh. These guys were telling whoever figured this,
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  Speaker 1: coppers grow out, here's how you find it. Bud just
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  Speaker 1: just followed the yellow brick road, and that's exactly what
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  Speaker 1: I did. And I thought, and I just I got cold, Shiels,
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  Speaker 1: Did you realize what is happening there? Whoever these guys
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  Speaker 1: were and I know who the two of them, they
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  Speaker 1: were biblical profits, but there are three others. There was
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  Speaker 1: five minute that wrote this cover girl. I thought, oh
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  Speaker 1: my gosh, whoever did this last five? Because there's only
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  Speaker 1: five They had different amounts, but the last guy only
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  Speaker 1: had five locations to bury. That guy was talking to me,
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  Speaker 1: I was the guy that figured it out, and he said,
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  Speaker 1: I got to leave this. I got to make sure
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  Speaker 1: they understand it because the most important things of all
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  Speaker 1: are inside of that cave. And if I'm right, they
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: were talking to me. They were saying, you got to
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: find this stuff, buddy.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: And so let's step back for a second. And I know, typically,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: or you can tell me the most of this time,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: when you read the commentary on the Copper Scroll, generally
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, this was potentially written to cause anybody
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: that found it to be searching around and just to
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: mislead them, et cetera, et cetera. There's kind of a
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I would say that in my reading that most of
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: the scholarship don't think that this is even realistic. It's fantasy, okay,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: for whatever reason, which again they think a lot of
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: the Bibles, you know, not that this is the Bible,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: but they think the Bible's fantasy too, So I don't
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: necessarily care. But where has there been any other theories
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: then before you came along of where this copper school
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: the reference of where they thought it might be then
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Jones okay, well.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: He too thought it was scattered of work except for
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: one location, called it the cave of the call them,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: and with great respect for the guy, I totally disagreed. Well,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: then after after I started, I realized I've figured this out,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: and I started talking on radio and talking on TV shows.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: There's archaeologists got furious with me. They called me a crook,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: they called me a liar, they called me everything but
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: a Mexican.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: What were what were they upset about?
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: They were upset because they were doing And I'm telling
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: you there's a lot of these archaeologists say, wow, that's
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: treasure hunting. We don't want to think and in the
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: background they won't wait a minute, wait a minute, and
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: they want to find it.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course I do.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: And how many of them have you seen and you've
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: been around? How many of them? Where the Indiana Jones
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: hat got the best, got the whip.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Every arch that I mean, I've I've again my backgrounds
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: in archaeology. Every archaeology is a treasure hunter to some degree,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: whether it's whether it's truth, whether.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: It's artifacts we wanted, we want to uncover the truth.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: That's pressure.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: But it's not necessarily that, uh and I and I
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: you know, just so people will get to this later.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: But Shelanice wrote a book, uh called what's it's called
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: the Copper Squall, the Copper Scope Project, and so very
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: good books. You took a job highlighting some of the
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: things that we're discussing. But I remember reading in there
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: that it's easy for these comments to be made, these
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: you know, criticism, Oh you know, Jim's just a treasure hunter.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Well again, as you just said, everybody's out, but you
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: weren't looking to lose this to put it in your
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: own pocket. You were looking to share this with the world,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: right and certainly for Israel. So these are just the
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: criticism that people have in order to try to I think,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: censor ideas.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: They tried to shut me down.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: So so, so talk about that, I think for so
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: you you were the first one to overlay the copper
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: scroll information on the site of Kumran itself, yes, okay,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: and to recognize, hey, there's correlation here.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: And then so.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Talk about then what you did next in the sense
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: of archaeologically even going to Israel looking at things and
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: then trying to develop a plan in order to go
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: there and confirm some of this stuff with technology, with
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: GPR or anything on ground penetrananor kind of talk about
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: that what happened then.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: The first thing that I did was it's like I
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: told you in the very beginning, you know, followed the instructions. Seriously,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: had all these other guys, these big shots and with
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: all the new respect if ed they followed the instructions
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: under the ruins and the value of the court once
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: it ruins, and then let's think about it logically, that's
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: tons and tons and tons of very precious stuff. They're
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: not going to be carrying it around. And I told
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: a guy this morning that mad with he. I said,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: they didn't interview hoole trucks back then. Dad. He back
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: donkey or carts or a combination though, I said, that's it.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: So they're not going to be carrying it or dragging
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: it all over the country to bury it in Solomon's
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: garden or whatever.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Well, especially because this area is so remote, it would
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: be a great place to hardly anybody goes out to
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: the desert anyway.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Generally.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I did a TV show with Yaho to gleke you
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: ever heard? Yeah? Oh yeah, great guy, A very nice fellow.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: He said, Jimmy, if I was going to hide the
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Temple treasures or the Ark of the Covenant, that's where
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I hunt it. He said. It's got all the smart
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: things about it. It's secluded. Yep, it's you know, it's
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: thirteen miles away from Jerusalem. It's not a real traveled area,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: so guess what. But it was that is using common
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: sense and following the instruction. That's really how I found it.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: And as I as I went along there, within within
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: five minutes, I knew how to understand the Coffer scrum.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Didn't know, I knew, but that's what I was doing.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: And then within twenty minutes had the first five locations
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: figured out. That's what made me second guess. I said, I'll.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute, like I could it be this easy? Yeah?
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: How come it's so easy? And all these other guys
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: didn't find it? Well, they didn't. And I just kept
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: applying the same technique because the kind of the way
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: it reads is this, it's in ancient Hebrew. So I
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: broke out a strong schoolcordance. That's what I did on
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: my home. My Bible says, I thought, I'll work on here.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: The only problem was I was getting older and my
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: guys weren't as good as it used to be. And
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: you know, I remember I was small Hebrew letters and
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I'm squinting and reading magnifying it, and I would go
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: word by word by word, and every time I found one,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: and I took the word and the translation for it,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: and I would plug it in, plug it in, excellent, excellently. Well,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: once I got so far through it, about less than
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: a third way through it, all the works for gold, silver,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: and I plugged them in under the hut, all these
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: words I just started, then I can find it and
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: plug them in real easing. Well, it got quicker and
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: quicker and quicker as I went down through that, and
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: it worked fantastic. But it's using a system too, and
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: using some logic. That's how I figured this thing out.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Well, I think also what I've seen is, uh, you know,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: archaeology is is there's data, there's again all kinds of
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: material culture you find, but then you get into sometimes
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: your presuppositions. You're like, well, clearly it wouldn't be there,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: you know, because that's you know, we've done archaeology there,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: no one's found anything. And so then you just move
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: on and you tend to you tend to find yourself
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: in a bum where you don't entertain, you kind of lose.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: I've seen it where sometimes people even they'll lose the
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: curiosity or the willingness say well, let me go back
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: and just check that again.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: And so here you you you were able to do it.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: And then okay, so you're you're figuring all this out
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: and then you think I got to do something, So
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: then what do you do?
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Well, the biggest thing I had to do is I
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: had to see it for myself. So my wife and
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I loaded up. We took a backpack apiece and dragged
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: some money out of my savings count and we haited
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: for Israel. Got there. We had no place to stay,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: no plans, We just wanted to go and it was
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: made for an interesting story. We got there and this
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: this couple picked us up as we got off the
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: train from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. We got off, this
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: couple saw us and they came over just like, hey,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: you guys want to with us? We got to We're
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: going to get a taxi and said yeah, we'll go.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: So we did. We jumped in the taxi. We went
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: to Jerusalem, went to the went into one of the
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: main gates. You know where they going into Kotel Oh, yeah, yeah,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: well that's where we went. We got out. We get
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: out there and we went in and I thought, man,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: this is a this is a really popular place because
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: there were satellite dishes everywhere, and there were just all
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: kinds of ruckets going on.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: So this was roughly what year two it was.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: It was December of two thousand No, I'm sorry, February
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: of two thousand and seven.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: OK.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Well, we got there at a really bad time. Palestinians
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: were having riots, and we just thought it was a
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: very popular place. So you know where we go. Have
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: you ever heard of the I know you've heard of
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: the gate. Let's see the Jaffa Gate.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, on the west side. Yeah.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We go there and we get us a room
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: that Joppa Gate hostile, hostile. Yeah, you need boat spray
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: if you're going to go say.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: It's every word of hostile.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: So we did, we get it. And I was a
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: fire investigator, but I was also I did checking the
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: codes make sure building. So I get in this room
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to Laurie, this is an absolute fire trap.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: The walls are like this thick. You had to have
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: the key to open the door and close the door.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: That is a big code violation. No sprinkler systems, And
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I said, oh my goodness. We slept one night there
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: because we were just exhausted, and then we then we went.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Found us a hotel but it was cold, yeah it was.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: And make sure some.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Good store I've been in thosed myself.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Yep. But the biggest thing again is you know, use
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: the system, using a method of doing this. Matter of fact,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: one of the guys was really really not nice. He
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: was a pH d guy. He just called me everything
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: he said. He said some morrible things, but I ignored him. Now,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: my wife called me in Jerusalem or in Israel. She said,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: there's this dirty guys saying all kinds of mean things
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: about you. And I said, it's going to happen.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: It's gonna happen.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Just relax. And but you know, she was a mama
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: bears of course, protect her family. But that's it. That's
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: that was some of the most difficult things initially. Guess
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: what the same guy wanted to see my research? Well,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I put it online, just a portion of it online
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: for just a short period of time, and I had
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: it where he had to record the names and with
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: the colin coming from Guess who was one of the
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: first ones to get my research one hundred dollars bill
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: right now says he was looking to punch holes all
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: in it. Yep, Guess what I never heard from me again.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: After that, He's thinking, oh my gosh, I've called him
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: all these name what's a defamation?
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I bet he was thinking, oh my god, because I
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: took I got every one of his articles with all
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: his slanderous and which one is it liable? That's a
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: written word? I think, yeah, yeah, And I thought, Okay, buddy,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: someday you're going to regret what you did, the mean
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: things you did to me and my family. But God says,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: what forgive?
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Yep, forgive, yep, He'll take care of it.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: After I get done with him. I'll forgive.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So let's fast forward just for the sake
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: of time.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: So you you're there, you see it for yourself, and
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: then I know that eventually you go there and you
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: get marchaeologists that are that want to see your stuff
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: and they and they do, Yeah, they see you're was this?
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I was teaching uh investigative report writing at Commanding Nation
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: College in Law in Oklahoma. That was my old grade school.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: I went first through six There. There was the lady
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: that was number two in charge of that school. They
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: were doing a good job. She she wanted me to
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: come teach in the in the auditorium teach about my findings.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: So they wanted to do it. They called it a
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: brown bag lunch and so we did. And after I
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: got done and she she called me in her office
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: and I'm ready to go home. That's the end of
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: the day. I want to go. She's a community and
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: she said, sit down there. She said, I think I
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: can help you with your with your project. And I'm
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: thinking a little commanche lady, sweethearted, old lady. She used
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: to teach my kids art years ago. And she said,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I can I can help you. I said, one need
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: a how are you one need a pataporny? How are
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: you going to help me with this? She said, I
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: know a guy that worked for the Antiquities Authority a
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: visual Yes, yeah, I said, well, she got my attention.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Then I said, one need a how do you know it?
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Long story? And I'm going to go in all that
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: and she comes back around. I'm going, okay, I got
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: to go. I said, what's the guy's name? What does
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: he do? I said, is the a janitor? Literally is
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: the agenitator? She said no, he's the head of the
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Antiquities Authority of Israel. I said what she said, yeah,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: she said, we'll hung out together. My husband was a sponsor.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: He was Jewish sponsored Israelis through the exchange program that
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: they had to learn artillery. Okay, guess what the guy
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: that was when he retired from the artillery and Israel
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: the army. Yeah, how that happened? I don't know.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: That's often that they'll do their stuff and then going
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: to Chelsea.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: And it's like Oklahoma, good old boy society. If you
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: know somebody, you know somebody. So she said, that's how
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I'm That's how I met this guy. We're good friends.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: So this night. We call each other all the time,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: and he'd been years since they'd seen each other. She
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: called him, called his wife, which was even better. She
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: called her his wife, Talma Talma Dorfman. His name is
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Chuka Dorfmann, head of the Antiquities Authoritium, and she said, Chuka,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: you need to get this guy and let him sit
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: down and talk to you and explain what he's found.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: He said, okay, one for you.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: And he did.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: He picked us up at the Zion Square just at
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: the bottom of your Benyahoda Street and uh, just a
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: lot one about one balk around. He picked us up
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: at that place, and he and he took took me
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: and Chris Knight, number two on the project, took us
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: to the Rockefeller Museum, took us up there and got
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: a seated. He had his son worked as a manager.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: He set us all up a really nice big room
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: and overlooking the old city, which was great, and we
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: sat down. He said, he said, mister Barfield, what can
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I do for you? I said, what's what I'm going
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: to do for you? And he said, and he said,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: what are you going to do for me? I said,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: if you heard the cover scroll? He said, of course,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: of course, And I said I know how to understand it.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: And you should have seen his face. Just here we go,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: and he slid back in his chair. He said, okay,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: And that's after we got to start. I was in
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: the artillery. He was an artillery. I went to flying
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: the connection. Yeah, and he flew fixed wing. So we
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: had several things common. So he said, let's see what
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: you got. So I broke out. I got a thick document.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I took it out and I opened it up to
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: the disclosure portion of it, opened it up, and I
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: slid it in front of him, and I kind of
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: slid around to the side where we could talk, and
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I was reading it and I said, just watch. I
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: read the first one, and then the Ruins, the Valley
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: of Coor blah blah blah, number one, number two, and
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: number one he went like, what you got his interest?
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Number two he slid that up and he said okay.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: And then number three, number four he just said stop.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I mean he was pulling. He was pulling the book up.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: He said stop. I thought he was angry. Seriously thought
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: he was angry. I thought, oh my gosh. That's when
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: he said, mister Barfield, can you come back here on Tuesday.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I'm setting up a meeting with ye suck Muggan and
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: you've all Pellig, two main guys for Kumrock and for
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: the entire West Bank and got a strip actually at
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: that time, and I said, of course I can't. So
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: came back in and I had I had seen this
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: rabbi really you would probably know his name, and so
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to mention him on TV right now.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: But he said he saw my research, and you know,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: he was doing the same thing. But the get away, well,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: I talked to the rabbi and I said, I'm going
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: to see Shugar door and he said, man, he said,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: you got to be careful of those guys. He really
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: didn't like the antiquities of the word. And I had
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: no nothing against them at all. But what I did
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: was be an investigator. You need to make records. So
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: I had my digital recorder and my buddy Chris had
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: it and he was recording the whole conversation will as
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: he was talking through that, and I showed him research.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: You've all pel egged the archaeologist and Sugar here, it's
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Mogan was over here.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Now you've come back. This is that Tuesday meeting with
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: the other guys.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Tuesday meeting and they were talking and they're talking back
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: and forth in Hebrew. I don't understand Hebrew, and he said,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: he said, eve all. He said, oh my gosh, I
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: think this guy done it in Hebrew. And I didn't
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: know he Shuga Doorburn said, well tell him. He said, no, no, no, no,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I want to see more of what this guy's done.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: And so he showed him about five of them. I
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: think maybe six. Anyway, I took that recording back and
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I go back to the rabbi who did he did
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: an American broadcast to teaching about the temple and he
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: was listening. Got had the headset on, you know, a big,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: nice headset. He was listening to it. A just went
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: he set the headset down and he said, oh my gosh. Yeah,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna believe what he just said.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: You want to know what they said?
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: And no, I did, because I thought he was going
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: to see this guy's an idiot. Hit him out of here.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: He didn't. He said, this guy has done it, and
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I just I'm almost I almost tear it up. I
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: mean it was a huge relief.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: So they recognized it.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean I'm telling you, I sit down with
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: you and I can show you and you'd go, okay,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: this is simple and it is. Remember what I said,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: follow the instructions and you find it all. So is
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: that where you want to do over?
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, no that's good.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I got sighted.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: No, No, that's perfect.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: So now you have this validation, and where what are
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: the next steps?
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: Like, so you think that they're going to be like
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: this is.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Great, let's set up an excavation, let's go check out. Yeah,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: so what happens next in the big scheme of things?
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I mean here today, I mean we're we're ten years
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: or more later and fifteen more years later, and uh,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: it's still sitting there unexplored.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: What what what?
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: What did you find from then in the sense of
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: their interest level, because what we do know is that look, people,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: well people might not know this, but we we we think,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: oh there's something there, let's let's uncover, let's share the truth.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: But as we know in our world, those that are
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: in the upper echelons of you know, political or even academia,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: they're not always interested in letting things come out to
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: be known. So obviously there was a roadblock because here
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: we are. So as you progressed on and maybe share
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: with the audience, where between that and where are things now?
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, is there? What's the update now?
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: One of the one of the really good things is
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: a guy from New York called me. He said, Jim,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: you need to come up here. And Mosha Fagelin is
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: coming into town. You heard of him, moshain Is He's hard.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: He didn't good for around.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: I mean the guy, how recent was this?
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Oh it was several years ago, twenty fourteen. Gosh, I
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: got so many Jews in my head. I can't get
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: he he wanted me most Faklin wanted me to come back.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: I showed him my research. He was doing some political
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: stuff in New York City because a lot of Jewish
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: people there. He was running for a Kannesset seat in
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: the Israel. Matter of fact, he had won. We won
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: the seat. He was just getting ready for another go around,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: and he was the deputy speaker of the Kanesse. He
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: saw my research and he said, mister Barba, why are
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: you not digging this out?
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: H Yeah, what's the hold up?
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: I said, your government won't let me. He got angry.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: He said what And I said they won't. I said,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I need to go and test it. I got a
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: big metal detective. I need to test this to see
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: what's actually there. I don't want to, you know, do
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: we need damage to the property unless we know absolutely
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: that there's.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Going to do technology scans or whatever you did.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't GPR, QPR and more good it was.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: It was a very powerful, powerful metal detect The hit
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: on this thing was six feet wide six feet long
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: and it was working very well. So anyway, we scanned it.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: We did five scans. One of them turned bad on me.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know what I did wrong, but I couldn't
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: scan it. However, he could scan it. He could scan
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: it because he was a deputy speaker of the Kanesse,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: he had diplomatic community. He could do his thing. I
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: walked beside him and he ran the metal detect there.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: He did all the operations to keep it legal. And
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: we scanned five locations and four of them came back
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: with massive quantities of hits for non FIERSH metals, which
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: is gold, silver, that sort of thing. That was a
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: big step. And then the next big step was getting
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: back home and we got after the first initial dig.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: The initial dig was in two thousand and nine, you've
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: all pelic. He liked what he saw. He even volunteered
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: to do the excavation. So got one dig under my
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: belt before the bad guys and you know, the guys
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: with the pH ds were angry at me. They shut
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: us down.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: Where was that dig at? I mean like like there, like.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: At the hill at the hill, Yeah, at the cave would.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Be How long was that? How long did that last?
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Well, we were actually digging at the very first occasion,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: which was at the at the cave, which where I
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: believe the caves at. And he got a phone call,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: you've all, Pelic got a phone call from that's Muggan,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I'm sure called and said shut that down, so.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Like a day, not even a day, two days, and
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: it was.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: It was at the end of the day.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: But yeah, so not not even if not even.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: He guaranteed I think five locations, and we were going
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: to go at the cave, go six feet deep minimum
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: two meters actually more than six feet uh, And that's
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: what I was promised. That's you know, after I brought
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: all my crew there, got everything ready and all the expense,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: he said, nope, this looks like six feet you know deep.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: It was. It was that deep. I mean with no
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: deeper than this table because you Pelicans stand up in it.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: And he was about my height and he's a wasist level.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I said, I said, there's no way that's six feet
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: two meters. He said, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know that
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: he Brew accident. He's a wonderful guy, don't get me wrong.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: But he was getting pressure. He was getting a lot
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: of pressure. So we had to stop. And that's that's
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: when all the hard hard times that but first dig
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: was a breeze.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: What what what year was that?
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Roughly it was April two thousand and six. Oh no,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry two thousand and seven. Yeah, yeah, it's been
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I've been working on this now for eighteen years. Just
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: you know, December was eighteen years.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: And so that that back way back then, that was
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: the only time that you really had to.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Shovel in the ground.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, roughly, I mean, and then that they shut it down,
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: and so even the later conversations. So man, so here
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: we are, and again, how did the interest just they
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: shut it down?
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: You don't know why?
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: And then has there been any latest desires? I mean,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: what's happening right now?
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: And I'm under a non disclosure Okay, later enough, Yeah, yeah,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: I'm under an no disclosure. But I need somebody that
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: won't chicken out on me. I'm telling you. Here's what
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I'd like to do. Yeah, what I'd like to do
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: is I've been to Washington, D C lately. Whenever they
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: had a at the Bible Museum in Washington, D C.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: I went there to attend. That was pretty impressive to
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: see all these politicians truthfully praying for our nation. That
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: was encouraging. So I would like to make contact with
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Donald J. Trump. Yeah, and I'm very serious because he
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: got now listen to this, he got Jerusalem back as
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: the capital of Israel.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Major deal embassy was moved.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Seventy years after it became a nation. Again, that's key.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: And not only that, but the guy he got one
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: some land back in the in the go on hands,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. Not only that, but he had
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: the Abrahamic courts and guess what they did and I'm
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: sure wouldn't for me, but they had a nice swath
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: around kum Run to make sure that that because I'm
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: telling you that that place is that is the home
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: of the profits. That was the capitol building right there,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: that where all the profits would go, and they would
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: get there raising they got you. Ever, I'm sure you
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: know about it. You ever studied the Melchazidic order, Oh yeah,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Oh my.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Gosh, especially I mean in the Kumaran scrolls.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: He's a he's the probably the top figure.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, yeah, I mean, uh, with with with Trump
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: assisting and I think if he could see my.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Resource, if he took the interest in it, Yeah.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm telling you well, I think he would definitely
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: take interest in it. Because at his Marlogo compound there,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: well what else to call it. He's got a full
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: sized mock up of the Arc of the Covenant. Oh wow,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: they I mean gold played it though whether it's real gold.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Knowing him, yeah, it's gold, and so I know it'd
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: be interested, especially he loves gold.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and if he knows if you look at all
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: the other stuff and you've seen pictures.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah. And the thing one of the
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: things I would tell him is, hey, the people in
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Israel believe that, like like you're reincarnated Cyrus Cirrus. And
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you know they got a coin printed for him,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: and probably two or three of them now, but he
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: had his profile and not Cyrus Cyrus.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Right's amazing.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Cyrus helped re establish Jerusalem again as the capital of Israel,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: none of that. But he also helped rebuild the temple.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: It wasn't anything compared to Solomon's Temple, but it's still
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: it was a temple. And the biggest thing is this
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: he helped get. Cyrus helped get all these the temple
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: items that actually got taken to Babylon. He helped them
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: gather it up and bring it back and get it
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: back in operation again. And I'm going to I would
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: tell Trump. I even said it on a show that
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I did. I said, you did great. What you need
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: to do, though, is finish your job. You need to
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: help get all the gold and silver and gems out
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: of the ground and let's get it.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: But there would have to be obviously the U. There
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: seems to be a stumbling block within the the Israel
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Antiquities Authority that do you have any any any thoughts
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: as to why.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: They don't want to see this pursued.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: One that's a you know, half breaking Mexican from wat in, Oklahoma.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there there there certainly is that.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: There is, and I know it's some jealousy there.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly. Oh, there's no doubt that's that's the way
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: it is.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: But but the next thing is this that and I
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: don't know if Natiyoff who actually said this, but I've
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: understood he did so if he didn't, I apologize. But
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: they said I was told that nat you know who
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: said the Temple mount is an atomic bomb. The ark
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: of the Covenant is the button. So once that things
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: get gets back into the hand of the Israelis, they're terrified. Well,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: one of the things that Trump's doing right now is
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: he's he's cleaning the house over there. Well he's not
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: doing it, but he's helping clean house in the Gauza Strip.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: And he's also getting you know who Thi's under control.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: All their attacks are doing the naval ships and that
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: sort of thing.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: There's gonna be a few months of cleaning because I
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: think the other thing that is volatile is this particular
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: area of Kumoran down by the Dead Sea is you know,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: it's considered Palestinian at least to some degree, and so
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: I can imagine they would need to have a little
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: bit more sovereignty over that because if something big was
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: to come out of there, it wouldn't be surprising that
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: the Palestinians would try to lay claim to it. Of
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: course would so it would make sense that there need
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: to be some initial maybe even annexation of some degree,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: like a full annexation yep, rather than it being you know,
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: the Palestinian area. Yeah, because over there ABC they have
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: three different areas. People might not know this, but Arab
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: you know, and other's different levels of sovereignty and control security.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: And that was my next step to tell you there
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: were reasons why they won't haven't to this point. They
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: told me. I was told early on they said anything
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Solomonic period mean King Solomon's time frame, King David. They
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: they're not going to touch it. They dodn't want anybody
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: to touch it and just leave it alone because it confirms.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: Status is leave the status qua.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: The next thing is this, there would be Jordanians. They
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: would claim it. Why is that because they had they
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: owned the territory when they did these scrolls were found.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Number Two, the Egyptians would want it because I guess
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: where a bunch of that gold and silver came from Egypt? Ye,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: too bad? That was payback for all the years. Again,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: and there's others, you know, other countries, there's other large
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: organizations that want it.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so there would need to be against strong leadership.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Trump certainly would be that. And then but they'd have
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: to come to that to where I think I think
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: that's coming because when you look at it, when you
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: think of the Gaza Strip and some of the sovereignty
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: that's changing there, and and and Israel doesn't even have
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: to give it to the United States. They could just
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: lease it if if if Trump Trump's Gaza Plan, if
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: you want to say it, they don't have to, they
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: don't have to get rid of it, just lease it.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: And then then the ownership still stays with an Israel.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: It would have to in my opinion.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agreed, Yeah, we don't.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of people so so, you know,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: kind of been wrapping up where how can people support?
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: How can people find out more about what you're doing?
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: What do you need?
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: What? What? What?
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: What? What? What are you looking out there?
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: If you were to have like a kind of dream
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: request here, how can people find about you?
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: What's next?
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: The biggest thing I want and need is prayer, okay,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: because we've got to stay in God's will. This is
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: this is not a jimbar Field project. People thinking it
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: in but it's not. I'm telling you things happened. It
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: was just bizarre how I figured out all this stuff
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: so easily, and I believe God somehow downloaded it. So
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: I want everyone to understand this is really not my project.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Monks to God, and he has to get all the glory,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: he has to get all the praise. He gets it all.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: But there will come a time, hopefully soon, that I
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: will call you and say, hey, Bed, I want to
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: come back up, or I may call you from Israel
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: and say hey, we need funding. And if I actually
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: opened that cave and there's stuff in there, because my
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: plan is to open the cave first. And if there's
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: a wall, like a stone wall there ceiling it shut,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: that is absolutely clue to me.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: Made something man made?
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: No concrete there. I found mortar that is man made mortar. Well,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: i'll take you two people.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you this that after I read the book,
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: I was there in twenty nineteen and I left the
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: group I lead tours there at Ti Israel, and I said, hey,
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: you guys, you take the group over here. And I
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: went out there and I walked out to that exact spot,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: and I went around the corner and I looked and
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is exactly what I just read
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: in the book. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean so it
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: just in my own little bit of looking at it,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, this is pretty amazing. Okay, So so
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: here in the future, you got stuff in the works.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: How do people find out about what's going on?
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: They won't not until not until, not until something. And
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: I want to work. I want to work with the
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Israeli government. I do. I don't want this to be
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: a jambar fold excavation. I don't want to be a
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: University of X and Y it needs to be a
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: government operations.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it has to be.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: And I will show them every step of the way.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: And I just wanted the biggest thing. I mean, the
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: guys want to be there. Yeah, when that cave comes open,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: they start bringing stuff out of there. And I got
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: this big beautiful box on their shoulders carrying out of there.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: My guys have earned the right that would be sitting there.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: So people the Copper Scroll Project book written a few
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: years ago by Shelly Ese of people on information. They
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: can check that out as well. You have a website.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I was working on it
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: just before came here. We're redoing it. You get ready
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: because I think the time is coming. But there will
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: come a time that I will say, hey, guys, you
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: know I got a lot of buddies around all over
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: the United States and say hey, let's let you let
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: your people know I need help.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: Very very good.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: I've told all the people all these years. I've told them,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: I said, I don't want your money. I want your
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: prayers because I can I can get money anytime if
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: once this comes open. I want your prayers. And right
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: now I need prayers to get us past all the
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: difficult things.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and you know it's interesting that just in closing
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  Speaker 2: that you know all this stuff is we know we're
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  Speaker 2: getting close in the sense of the Lord's return. Even
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  Speaker 2: you know I mentioned to you earlier, you know, writing
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  Speaker 2: a book on the red heifer. To see five redheifers
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  Speaker 2: come over and have many in the in the background,
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  Speaker 2: first time in two thousand years, to have qualified red heifers.
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  Speaker 2: These things are all converging together. And at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the day, you know, with the temple, we know
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  Speaker 2: the temple is going.
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  Speaker 3: To be built.
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  Speaker 2: There needs to be material that that helps helps that
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  Speaker 2: and so to have to have it all come back
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  Speaker 2: at this time would really set a stage for a
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  Speaker 2: lot of things.
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  Speaker 3: So well, anyways, appreciate your time.
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  Speaker 1: It's my plaguere. I enjoyed this very much.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody, thank you for listening. Again, we're living at exciting times.
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  Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, if you don't
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  Speaker 2: know Jesus, then that's a mistake because you don't want
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  Speaker 2: to be caught. You don't want to call it in
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  Speaker 2: one sense with your pants down. You want to be
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  Speaker 2: ready for the Lord's return and you know, again salvations
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  Speaker 2: through him alone.
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  Speaker 3: So everybody, thanks for listening. We'll catch you next time.