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In The City Reunion Pt 2 Recap · Wicked Messy

• Hali: Hello, everyone. We are back. Alicia: Welcome, welcome. We have a whole lot of nothing to talk about today. Hali: Literally what a waste of in the city reunion part two. Did not need to do two parts. Don't understand. Alicia: No, it could have been fit into one. I will I will say, I will say, and we texted about this, the very last portion was good. I was able to consume it, but the problem was out of the forty minutes, thirty of those minutes were bullshit. So like this is how Hali: Literally Yeah, it was like twelve minutes of like, Okay, we have a little bit of new information, but even still, even that twelve minutes like Okay. Alicia: And I'm lucky that I even watched those 12 minutes because this is how bad it was. Okay. So how I prep for these podcasts, I watch the show, I try to watch the show three times. Watch number one, I just enjoy. I pretend I don't even have a podcast. Okay. Watch two, I take notes and I really consume. And then watch three, I'm just perfecting. It's all about the notes. This episode was so boring. That I had to shut it off halfway through my enjoy number one watch 'cause I was Hali: Meet yeah. Alicia: bored. I put on Love Island. I said I don't care. but then I said, you know what, a gal's got a job to do. So Hali: Yeah. Skulls gotta gulls. what? Alicia: I do have to say something before we start. And I'm dying to know if you tried yours too. So, guys, last week Haley was wearing her new lover boy t-shirt, Girl's a mess, and it looked great. The sizing looked great, and I was very excited about mine. Now I got the sweatshirt the same pink. You got the sweatshirts black. Okay, I would say it's fair to say my sizing, I am a a true medium, okay? Hali: Okay. Yeah. Alicia: y you know, maybe if a a little baggy. I could do a larger medium. I could go either way. I got a medium and it is tight on me. Hali: No, I think that's a small. You told me a small. Alicia: Why would I tell you it's small? Hali: I don't know, but it's in the text. Alicia: no I I why would I think I'm a small? That is that real? Hali: Well, 'cause I think I think they're unisex sizes. Alicia: That is absol freaking lutely why he did that. I Hali: Yeah. Alicia: don't know any man that's gonna know no. And I Hali: Well, a little five three Chichipapa. I don't Alicia: Yeah. Hali: even know what a chip chicha papa is, but Alicia: I don't know what's going on. All I know is it specifically is on my hips and I know I do have some hips on me, but like it's it's not bad. It's wearable, but now I'm never gonna wanna wash it ever. Hali: yeah, true, true. Or you could you could wash it but just like let it air dry. Alicia: I'm gonna have to do something like that 'cause it's very comfy. Which which is unfortunate. Hali: Yeah, soft. I haven't tried my sweatshirt and I think I got an extra large. So I should be fine though if yours is running small at a small. 'Cause I would think a small would be like not tight on you but like at least like a little bit of room. But it sounds like they run small. Alicia: Yeah, it's there's rum, but I don't like feeling the elastic around my waist. You know what I mean? I'm like Hali: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Me neither. Me neither. and everyone, this might happen a lot during this episode. Lucy's just on the loose. Alicia: Yeah, she's loose as a goose. guys, I am currently in Araganset right now visiting my brother and I am recording from his guest room. so bear with me here, please. Okay. Hali: Yeah. We got this. So Alicia: Okay. Hali: we start off with the continuation of Whitney versus or Whitney and Kendon Kenny versus Lindsay and it's just you're gonna Lindsey says you're gonna have to give fifteen million apologies to every single mom in America. Like settle down, settle down. Alicia: She's crazy. She's crazy. And Hali: She's literally Alicia: and nobody, nobody thinks that. Yeah, like literally, it picks right back up from like Kenny's one-liner. You collect apologies, like you collect souls. And it's really just at this point Lindsay versus the entire cast. Because you said it last week. She was just sh like saying all these words, narcissist, this, that. And it's it you're deflecting away from the issue with. You use the mum card and then you admitted on camera again that you use the mum card and then you're saying that it's not okay to use the mum card. What is it? Hali: You know, were you also surprised that Lindsay actually didn't get further activated or absolutely lose her shit when Kenny said the whole the comment like you collect apologies, like you collect souls? Like I was surprised by that. I was like, Whoa, she's tame now. Like what? That's kind of a heavy hit there. Alicia: I I I think we saw Lindsay not knowing what to do when she got schooled. I think that's what we saw. Cause like, what are you Hali: Yeah. Yeah. Alicia: gonna say to that? This is the funniest, smartest thing anyone's ever said on Bravo, probably. And Hali: No, that's very true. Alicia: now and and it's true. And she's a soul gremlin. I love Lindsay, but she is losing me quickly. And this whole minions thing has got to her head. And I I do just wanna quickly explain to our eleven listeners what we've been talking about with when we keep talking about the minions movie in Bravo. I don't think I ever explained that in the first place on the podcast. Our under Hali: I think we did, didn't we? Alicia: did we? I don't know. it it's a one-liner. So pretty much our understanding is that Bravo is associated, it has it's corporate sibling ties or something with NBC Universal. So they're paid to promote the minions. So The minion yellow dress, all of that. That's where all of that connects to. Hali: Right. Alicia: And it's feeling like product placement. Back Hali: Yeah. Yeah. Alicia: in back in the day, we're millennials, back in the day, all on movies and stuff, all you would see is product placement. Coca-Cola here, this, that. And then it was kind of bad taste and it stopped happening. And back in those days. There was still like the real world, anything like that. There was reality TV back then, and it was the opposite. They had to blur it out. You could not promote anything. Hali: I know, yeah. Alicia: And now it's like we're dipping into this world that reality TV, these people are no longer sea less celebrities. They're up there along with influencers. They usually are the same thing with actual actresses. This is where the money is to be made and the promotion is to be had. And they're just shoving it down our throat and it's pissed off. Hali: Well, I think it just shines a light on capitalism and like how crazy and evil like money is and how everything nowadays in twenty twenty six is about money. Like you can't do anything Alicia: Yeah. Hali: 'cause you're afraid that someone's gonna say, Well, you have to pay me for that like we talked about it last time, like bringing in some of those videos from those accounts and stuff. Like Bravo probably can't 'cause then they'd have to p write them a check. Like it's just it's kinda Alicia: Dude. Hali: fucked up. Like how does it even continue on from this like can you not do or say anything or someone's gonna have to pay someone like Alicia: Hayley, I have to talk about something that I saw right before I came on this podcast. Okay. Hali: Yeah. Alicia: We and quick detour, guys. We know that you know how Jax Taylor cheated on Brittany with her publicist? So Hali: Yeah. Well he's now coming out that they're together and everything. Yeah. Alicia: Right. Apparently last week or the other day he posted an ad of him like chilling by the pool drinking smart water and smartwater Hali: With a mask on. Alicia: and smartwater reached out and was like, We didn't pay him to do an ad. He just came up with this whole statement, freaking out online. He did the the black background with this whole Hali: so he Alicia: He's like, I was set up, I was contacted, here's the proof, and Britney continues to humiliate me and I've Kept my mouth shut out of respect because she is the mother of our son, but I will no longer stay silent. More truth is to be revealed. Hali: So that's so interesting because I saw a post on Brittany's story last night where she was showing a an an video AI platform that said it was like all AI and how she's not gonna be silent 'cause she's been silent for so long and like I was just con so confused by the whole thing. So there's some sort of AI involvement in this or something. I don't even know. Alicia: I'll need to know more about that because it's so weird and embarrassing. And if I were Smartwater, I would Hali: Yeah. Alicia: hire Britney right now. Hali: Well so I the picture that I thought you were talking about, was he in the pool and he had like this like wolf mas mask on or something? Like Alicia: I didn't see a mask. Hali: I could have sworn it was a mask, but someone right now they're highlighting on budget accounts that someone was like, this guy should get a deal with like Love Island or or The Bachelor or something, and then Jack's comments to that comment and said, No thanks, I'm taken. And this is post coming out that his he's with his publicist. So now everyone's saying, okay, now he publicly confirmed he's actually with this publicist. And then Alicia: Dude. Hali: wait, maybe I shouldn't say the no, was this on? I don't know if this was on House of Stasi. No, it definitely wasn't because this was House of Stasi was filmed way before. But Stasi posted, no, this was a video on Instagram, sorry. My God, my Bravo verse brain is like glitching. Alicia: Exploding. Hali: so Stasi posted a video saying I'm eating up this shit about Jax and his publicist. She's alleging when she met this publicist, she had very bad vibes, felt something was off, did not like this girl, and thought something was going on between them. But then she also said, I think the publicist leaked the photos, especially the one at the Mexican restaurant, because the way the picture was was that this publicist girl, while she was with Jax was perfectly like head tilted and like as if she submitted the pictures she wanted out there. Alicia: Which would make perfect sense. Hali: Yeah, yeah. Alicia: I mean, this woman's a monster, this publicist, because Hali: Yeah. Alicia: and lala I think it was Lala on a podcast, someone was talking about this situation very recently. And they were saying that Brittany was completely shocked because there were rumors about this like two years ago, and the lady denied it and Hali: Yes. Yes. Alicia: you know, then it just died. You know, everyone just assumes that Jax sleeps with everyone. I would just assume that a publicist is smart enough not to sleep with Jax. Hali: Well, you would assume she saw everything that happened between Britney and Jack's. Like, are you out of your mind? Like, why would you go for this Alicia: She did. That's what the Hali: guy? He's a piece of shit. Alicia: She knows everything. She's seen every text. She's seen every legal document. She has to. And she still went for this guy. So, Hali: It's insane. Yeah, absolutely insane. Alicia: anyways, I really got into a tangent there, but I was just making contrast with the ads there. Minion versus Smartwater. Hali: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But there's a lot going on in in Bravo World. It's it's I feel like every week it's something new. Alicia: yeah, but it's crazy. I Gavin, Hali: Is it? Alicia: I mean Kenny was on Nick Vile's podcast again. So Hali: Yeah. Again? Alicia: literally okay, so he went on Nick Viles podcast after part one of the reunion, before part two of the reunion. He was also on two weeks ago before that with Whitney. Listen to what he said on this. He said cause Nick Vile was just like asking all the questions that you and me have been saying on this podcast, essentially just being like, What are you guys actually friends? Like, how did you get here? This does not seem fake. Like, what's going on? And Hali: Yeah. Yeah. All right. Alicia: he Kenny said that some of the group, it is organic, right? So, for example, Gavin and Kyle have hung out before cameras were ever picked up, they were friends. You know, Gavin knew Lindsay before. For a while just through knowing people, but he had never, ever, ever, ever hung out with Lindsay, let alone one on one, until the show got greenlit. So all Hali: Okay, what? Alicia: of a sudden, they know they're gonna film together. And Kenny's not thinking too much of this, he's saying at the time, but he's seeing like Lindsay and Gavin out. And he's just like, That's weird. Like, we don't even really care about Lindsay. Like, and he's getting closer and closer and being like left out. Kenny's being left out when he's hanging out. So now Kenny's reflecting and he's like, holy shit, this guy has been planning my takedown with Lindsay. And he said, he told Nick Bile, he said, the second the camera started rolling, complete switch up. I did not recognize him. I had no idea. He said, You guys have to understand this is my friend, meaning you saw our talks on camera. We already have talks off camera. This is my real friend. I poured my heart out. I just had to say it all over again for filming. Hali: Right. That's wild. Alicia: That was a real conversation. And he denies it and everything. And it's back and forth. And then the second the cameras are up, he does it again. And those are the vibes that I that I got this whole season, this whole reunion. And I actually feel for him because at this point, I'm starting to think that Gavin is the piece of shit. Hali: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He took the assignment and he ran with it and he was like, How can I get the most screen time? And who can I buddy up with? Who's gonna get the most screen time? and that's Lindsay Hubbard. Alicia: Yeah, but he did he all now all he looks like is a sidekick. Either way, you're either Kenny's sidekick or you're Lindsay's lapdog. Those are your two options. And neither Hali: Right. Alicia: of them are good. You should forged your own storyline, okay? I don't know how it works, but I imagine he must just be a friend of or something because he's like, What are you getting paid, bud? Like you should be and he's trying too, but it's only in other people's business. I don't Hali: I know. I know. There was nothing about his life at all. We know nothing except for that he runs restaurants. That's it. Alicia: We know nothing. We know nothing. all right. So essentially Lindsay says she does not accept the apology for now. Hali: Yep. Alicia: Andy asks Yvonne what her stance is and it's very PR. She's essentially Hali: Yeah. Alicia: just saying that she thinks it was really nice that Kenny and Whitney had offered her the room and that she deeply appreciated that, but still Hali: Yep. And Alicia: did not comment on Lindsay. Amanda did mumble under her breath. She's d saying to Lindsay and Georgina, she was like, You guys were being mean. Hali: I know, I know. And I was like, Whoa Alicia: And that there and I was like, Good. Nick, one of the only things he said during this reunion, said, when Yvonne was being asked about her relationship with Lindsay, Nick butted in and said, The closest sisters, closest sisters. Hali: Well, that's the thing. It's revealed that they're back to BFFs. They're talking a million times on the phone a all day. And then yeah, he he's like, Well, Lindsay, what do you usually say when you walk in? And Lindsay like doesn't even answer his question and he ends up answering it and he's like, You say hi, husband, which like I wouldn't like that. Alicia: I know you wouldn't like that. I guess Hali: I would not like don't come to my house and say hi husband to my husband. Like what? Alicia: I know. Lindsay's quirky though. I don't think she I don't think she'd ever pull an Amanda. Hali: Hopefully not. Alicia: You think she might ha actually yeah, she might have it. no, she did. She did it to Danielle. No, she did it. Well okay, we need we're gonna get to it. Look at me Hali: Who the fuck knows? I don't know. I don't trust any of these people. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. She was with Carl. Yeah. Yeah. Alicia: defending her when I'm about to take her down two notes down. Hali: Right, right. Alicia: but yeah, so he says close as sisters and I thought that's funny because We're blood and we're cousins and we're pretty much grew up like sisters. And I can tell you, if you did that to me on reality TV and meanwhile, you know, I'm heartbroken and you come crawling back after because you're my genuine friend, whatever, and you're posting willy nilly on all Facebook and stuff, I tell you, I'd say Lindsay. I want you to put out a public apology about how much of a jerk you were to me. You're happy Hali: Hundred percent. Alicia: to post about everything else. Why don't you say I was an asshole to Yvonne and I regret it and I was a bad friend? And maybe even if you want to be super honest, I let the show get to my head. You'd be number Hali: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Alicia: one again. You'd Whitney would be gone. You just need to put it on those big girl pants that you tell everybody else to put on. Put them on yourself and you'll be unstoppable. Hali: But what she did was she took the broom and she just brushed it right under the rug. Alicia: there's a lot under that rug. It's not gonna scare me. Hali: Yeah, yeah, what a what a joke. What a joke. so then Yvonne goes back to being mute and then we get into what you're just kind of talking about with Lindsay. I love this. OTPHJ. over the pants hand job. I'm like, Alicia: And I'm Hali: what are we doing with these acronyms? I did not Alicia: I knew the second I saw it what that was. I was like, Yeah, yeah. So funny. So, all right, so with this, Andy's just referring to Lindsay and Danielle, their friendship being, I think he calls it a tug of war of some sorts. Hali: Yeah. Alicia: and we're getting flashbacks of them during trolley gate, during the wedding dinner, all of that. Danielle's saying that she's shocked by Lindsay's list of grievances and a she ever wants to get together to discuss, then she's open. Meanwhile, Lindsay's like, Well, we did, like on camera. I listed everything out. I have nothing else to air out. and it just seems like Lindsay just will never be able to stop talking behind Danielle's back on camera. Doesn't matter how many times she apologizes. She's out. And I don't know where I stand on this because back to what we were saying before, Danielle dated him first. She dated him before Summer House, anyone was ever on Summerhouse. And then she joins the season. Lindsay and Danielle become best friends. Danielle literally puts all of her eggs in Lindsay's basket. Hali: Mm-hmm. Alicia: Meaning she's self-isolating against the other girls. Okay. Now all of a sudden Lindsay starts dating her ex-boyfriend. Doesn't even ask her if it's okay, right? Doesn't even say, would it bother you? Not Hali: Right. Right. Alicia: only does she do that, then she only stays with Carl that whole season, pretty much throwing Danielle to the wolves of these people that she forced her not to like for almost 10 years. So Hali: Yep. Yeah, I know. Alicia: I'd be And she she let her drown. Danielle looked horrible that season. She just looks like a bitter friend that had no one else to go to. And now I just think of it I'm just viewing it differently now. Hali: And it's almost like like there is some sort of like jealousy undertone of like Lindsay wanting to make sure that Danielle is like below, you know what I mean? 'Cause I think Danielle has a lot of potential on reality T V and she did on Summerhouse and then like Lindsay kind of was like, Well now I'm latched on to you and I'm gonna actually dim your light and it's just like I don't think Lindsay ever truly wants the best for Danielle, unfortunately. I think that she always comes from a negative angle and like wants to see her demise, which is terrible. Alicia: Dude, you that yeah, you nailed it. I the the way I think of people like Lindsay is she's not a full blooded monster. She doesn't want you to do bad, she just doesn't want you to do better than her. Hali: Right, right. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, that leads me to cause Owen started kind of piping up because there were more conversations about like, well, you know, everyone was bringing up you know, your divorce and everything and you weren't saying anything and and blah blah blah. And Owen's quote and I wrote it down as Lindsay or she didn't even say Lindsay, but he was looking at her. There's one common denominator in this toxic drama and that's you. And she didn't say a damn thing. And I was like, Owen is like actually like I actually like him probably the most on this whole cast. Alicia: I love him and Hali: Yeah. Alicia: and you want to know something now that we say this. I think Lindsay is also hyper aware that he is extremely likable. First of all, he has an accent. Americans, we love the accents. He has his he's completely cool. He cannot lose his cool. I mean he did in his own way, but not in the reality TV way, you know? Hali: Exactly. Yeah, he doesn't crash out. Alicia: And I think that the guys like him, even though they were told not to. And I think that it brings in some of the sports fans because he was fucking tennis or whatever. I think that she knows, Danielle is about to marry this guy, have his baby. This guy, as long as she's with him, she's always gonna have a storyline. Daniel's the only season she was ever on is when she was in a relationship, okay, and she had that storyline. When they break up the next year. She only comes back as a friend of or she visits. She doesn't Hali: Yeah. Yeah. Alicia: have she's too normal and it's not a bad thing, but you're just too normal on your own, you know? So there's Hali: Yeah, no, absolutely. Alicia: no getting rid of her now. Hali: No, no, there isn't. and then what else happened? the pink dress is brought up again and I'm like, Can we just put this to bed? Alicia: It was so stupid. I don't even know like I at this point I'm like I I'm finding it hard to believe that this is not just made up by production. There's no way that they're still fighting about this. This guy it's a joke, right? Nobody cares. Hali: I know. And Danielle did kind of like make a good point to kinda like tell on herself and she was like, in hindsight, like if I did have to text three people plus you, the bride of the event, like I guess I probably shouldn't have worn that dress because in my head I kind of knew this was gonna be taken as a white dress. So it's like what why why is this a thing? fucking ridiculous. And then Yvonne Alicia: Yeah. Hali: was a bitch about it and I'm like, you need to just quiet down. Alicia: Yeah, Yvonne, relax. It literally was not a real wedding. Hali: And you said it was fine in the text. You can't have no leg to stand on. This girl literally texted you before the event, an hour before, and you said, Yeah, that looks great. Alicia: And it's not her fault that she looked better than you at your own wedding. You didn't you didn't pick the best Hali: Exactly, exactly. Alicia: outfit. You didn't have the best hair, makeup. It sucks. Hali: Yeah, and that that whole situation and event, prop wedding, whatever, wouldn't even have been aired, I bet, if that drama didn't happen, 'cause it would be boring as fuck. Alicia: my gosh, that's so true. Hali: So like stop. Alicia: Yeah, she's she's crazy. Hali: She's on a planet. Alicia: Danielle did ask Lindsay to stop Googling people. Hali: Yep, yeah, yeah. Alicia: and Lindsay said she could make no such promise and that she googled everyone. And then Amanda Hali: I know. You know. Alicia: then Amanda goes, please don't Google me. And Hali: Like Alicia: I really laughed at that. Hali: Yeah. Alicia: have some bad news. I think I'm getting pulled back in. Hali: What do you mean? Alicia: I don't know, I like feel bad for Amanda towards the end of Hali: I was like pulled back into where? What's happening right now? No, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't. I yeah. I I know. Alicia: It told back to I know you don't. You'll never. You're you're a lifer. You're done for Hali: I'm like all for Kyle. I mean, I I don't know. But so that's another thing that Danielle made a very bold, bold statement. I think Andy asked something, or what are your thoughts on the relationship with Wes or in whatever and Danielle was like, I will never have a relationship with West. And I was like, Damn. Stay far away. Yeah. Alicia: Good for her, dude. Yeah, she does she doesn't she I feel like she saw West for what he was like since day dot. Hali: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Alicia: Did you know that Sally hooked up with West? Hali: I'm not surprised. Alicia: So she was on Lala's podcast. So they have their own podcast. And then Hali: Yeah. Alicia: she was also a on made an appearance on Lala's actual own podcast. So I was Hali: Okay. Alicia: listening to it, and it was probably one of the best podcasts I've ever listened to in my life. Sally had a hilarious plane story about what something that happened to her on the plane, and I'm not gonna give it away. You have to listen. I was like crying at work, laughing. It's Hali: Yeah, I gotta listen. No, 'cause she's been like an open book lately, but like a little bit too much. I'm like, You gotta chill, girl, you're going off the handles. Jesus Christ. Alicia: wait till you know what she says. She did on the plane. You're gonna it's talk you there there's nothing more open that you could think about. So either way though, she did within telling her funny stories, it was very enjoyable. listen, but she did say that back in the day, for some reason, so she has season tickets to whatever team, whatever her home team was, and she goes to every single one. West had some connection because he's in the sports world. So, like he messaged her, and they, with a bunch of people, like all went to some game with an RV or something together. I don't know. And she said, Yeah, and Sally said, Listen, guys, you have to understand, like, we obviously had like a quick fling, but this guy, everybody's asking how he does it. He makes you feel like you're the only person in the world. Like, I walked away from that weekend. Saying to myself, wow, like that's that's what a guy is, that's what a man is. And then he of course ghosted her. And it's good for Sari S Sally, Sari, for Hali: Yeah. Alicia: telling us this now. But what why haven't you said this before? Tell people that on your own podcast, you're giving Lala all these listeners. It's like that's big tea. Hali: I know, I know. Well, she's been she's been going off on her stories though. She's been saying a lot of wild, wild stuff about Kyle. Alicia: really? Hali: my god. Yeah. She'll like have people ask questions and then she'll like actually answer honestly and it's like, Whoa, you are like over the top you look like a psycho. Like guys are running now. Kyle probably never talked to her again after these stories. Alicia: She's gonna make a cameo on Summer House. Hali: yeah, you're right, I knew that. Yeah, yeah. Alicia: and she did she did talk about her time in the Hamptons too on Lala's podcast and pretty much like she was just saying, Yeah, I hooked up with Kyle, but then I wasn't there for Kyle. The next night we all went out to a bar and I went home with some other guy and Kyle didn't care. We're not like dating. And I said I can't Hali: Yeah yeah. Well that's funny 'cause her story it didn't say that 'cause the question was like Are you in love with Kyle? Do you just like to fuck Kyle or do you have a a or wanna marry him? And she put Can all three be true? Or something crazy like that and I'm like, You're out of your fucking mind And then something about Austin too. People were like, Are you still in love with Austin or something? And she was like No, or why didn't you and Austin work out and he she was like, cause Austin doesn't love me, go troll him. On our public story on Instagram, I'm like, you are out of your Alicia: my Hali: mind. And Austin commented and was like, What the fuck? Alicia: I need to see that. That's so good. She's crazy. Great TV though. Awesome TV. Hali: Off the fucking handle right now. Yeah. Yeah. Alicia: okay, so let's talk can we talk about Amanda and Kyle now? And do you have anything else? Hali: Yes. but just real quick going back to Danielle, I thought it was interesting that it came up, and this makes sense because we saw that Amanda and Danielle were actually fine by the end of the season after that whole trolley fight and everything about the homewrecker stuff. The fact that Amanda actually texted Danielle that apology about the home wrecking comments, but then Andy brought up a wonderful point. Where was this for Sierra? To which Amanda responds I had a whole text written out, but then I learned I was blocked, so I didn't send it. Honey, don't you think in that position that you're in where you're fucking over your best friend, you don't just send it? What do you mean you learned? First off, you have to find out you're blocked because your your bubble is now green and someone on an iPhone blocked you. Why so you asked people, should I send this? And then someone told you, you're blocked, so don't send it? Like I just feel like that makes her look even worse. And I'm like, You're such a shitty person. person and how many different platforms are there to send someone something? I'm sure you maybe have Sierra's email 'cause you guys work together on this reality TV show. You couldn't have gotten the message to her it's some somehow, some way in twenty twenty six. Like it just it's bullshit. Alicia: What? That's so true. It is. No, that's true though, because what does that even mean that what was the wording she learned that she was blocked? So Hali: Yeah, yeah. I learned that I was blocked. Alicia: Okay. You sent it anyways to cover your own ass. Hali: Or even post it on your fucking public story on Instagram because someone's gonna show Sierra. Then you attempted. Like I just I can't wrap my brain around it. Yeah, if you actually Alicia: Anything you can, anything you can. The the the Hali: care. Alicia: and the thing is, you know, she really fell for the sky, she was insecure, she screwed over her best friend. Hali: My god, we're gonna get flagged for like cat pornography. Alicia: It's just no go. Hali: What's this cat doing? Alicia: Lucy. Hali: Are we gonna have to s okay, we're good. Like it's still Alicia: my god, it's twenty twenty-six. She could have gotten the message out. I think she got so wrapped up with this guy that she of course felt at the very least guilty in some way. But just push it off, push it off, push it off. And then the public took her down and she just was clearly bitter at Sierra for that, you know? So I I don't think she was sorry at the reunion. I think she was angry 'cause I think she was in their own worlds. And Paige said something of this effect when her and Craig broke up and fans were making up rumors about she was a cheater or something. And on her reunion she said You know, he knows what this is like, the public scrutiny, and he could have stopped it with one quick post, and he didn't. And Hali: Yeah. Yep. Alicia: he knows what that does to us because we've both gone through it. So I imagine Amanda is probably thinking, Yeah, and I'm not saying I agree with this train of thought. This is just what the only thing that can possibly make sense. Amanda is just so angry at Sierra because she's like, You are not only not helping stop people from trying to physically harm me, but you're like promoting hate for me. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I Hali: Yeah. Yeah. Alicia: screwed your hut like I I screwed your ex, but literally people are trying to kill me. I imagine that's where it came from. And it wasn't until after the reunion and she really hit rock bottom she was like, that's not Hali: But I Alicia: the point. Hali: I don't know if I agree with that because I feel like the the way that Sierra kind of approached it on her own social media was she was promoting the Girl Scouts. She actually wasn't really commenting. Maybe there was some like subliminal messages in some of the posts. But I feel like Sierra actually took the whole situation and was like, I'm actually not going to give you that energy and and make it seem like I'm actually this upset about it because you don't deserve Alicia: So I think Sierra handled herself perfectly. Let me just be clear about that. But she like in the beginning when I cannot believe I forget her name, the the housewife that West Wilson slept with. Hali: yeah, Jen. Alicia: Yeah, Jen Fessler, yes. So she was commenting on that. Sierra was after that was starting to come out after Westgate with the cartwheels and she Hali: Yep, yep. Alicia: she did a whole she just did a whole bunch of responding, you know, because she was being asked about it. She wasn't saying anything crazy. She was just like, I hope they have fun together. Like normal. I'm not saying that she Hali: Yeah. Right. Alicia: but it doesn't matter because unless you're saying guys leave her alone, we're fine now, Amanda's gonna continue to get scrutiny. And I'm not saying that that's Sierra's responsibility to do it, but I think that that's where Amanda's Hali: Right. Right. Right. Right. I get what you were saying, yeah. Alicia: head was. Where whatever little sober part of her brain that existed there on the reunion that could have said sorry, I imagine that's a piece. She was just I feel like she was just angry at Sierra. She didn't feel bad at that point. She was just angry. Anyway. Hali: Yeah, which is ridiculous. Alicia: It's it's crazy. It's crazy. But you gotta try Hali: It really is. Alicia: to keep up with their thought, train of thought. Hali: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Alicia: And it's interesting, too, because you're in psych, so what do you think? Hali: Yeah. Alicia: Is there you think she had any empathy or she was just angry at that point? What's your final thought? Hali: No, I think I think Amanda is very much one of those people that you don't realize how self centered that they actually are because of the way that they can present themselves on, you know, the first few seasons that she was on in Summer House, and then slowly but surely that starts cracking away that image that they're trying to portray. And then you start seeing something big like this happen and you're like, Holy shit, like you were actually capable of that when in actuality No, she just knew how to present herself when the camera was up. You know, 'cause she was kind of in the background for a very long time on Summer House, even as Kyle's just girlfriend and then new wife, you know. So I think this was always in the making. And the way she treated Alicia: And you know Hali: Hannah. That was fucked up too. That that showed a big side of her. Alicia: That was so weird. And I'm just like really annoyed that we'll never get the story on that because it was a very odd thing because we saw what happened on camera, but it's clear that a lot happened off camera too. So and we never got the story on that. And then there's like very big elephant in the room that's, you know, Hannah and Paige are best friends. Hali: That's what I think it was, the jealousy. Alicia: But then it's like so Amanda knew she couldn't go too hard because Paige would be like, I'll kill you, you know? And Hali: Yeah, yeah. Alicia: she wanted to be Paige, really. Hali: But I think Paige at that point wasn't at that stage of I I'll kill you because she's like, wait a minute, like I really like this girl, Hannah, I don't know her that well. And I am pretty close with Amanda on screen. So like what do I do? So I think Amanda just slowly but surely was trying to get that wedge in there and it was not a good thing 'cause it made Paige and Hannah closer. Alicia: So I think this is interesting. So Sally mentioned on the podcast too that because this is giving us insight as to how this works, okay? And this will bring us back to summer house reunion. Sally says for the in the city reunion, her lawyer calls her every time that I guess whenever that her name is mentioned on the show, she needs to greenlit them being able to air that. without her saying, okay, they cannot air that. So she got she was saying, I got multiple calls asking for each time they mention my name on the show if I'd be willing to let them say that. Okay. Hold on to that piece of information. Let's rewind to the Summer House reunion when we were pissed because out of three hours of watching the reunion, we had no mention of Paige. And Andy said on his podcast, like she was brought up so many times it's not even funny. So Paige, I find that interesting that she didn't I'm assuming, I'm just doing some math here, that she was like, No, you I don't I'm not letting you use my name on Bravo. But I'm surprised because it's in defense of Sierra. So So Hali: I know, I I know. Alicia: I just f I like that is I'm not saying that there's a there's no right or wrong answer to that, but the whole thing Hali: Right and Alicia: is fascinating. Hali: Right, and then she was very clearly like we support Sierra Alicia: Yeah. Hali: but she also never said a negative thing about Amanda, so I'm sure she was probably saying like trying to send the message to Amanda like I'm neutral on your side, but I'm I'm way more supportive for Sierra and I'm not gonna hate on you, so I don't even want my name in there. Alicia: Yeah, okay. That's it that that's a good Hali: You know, you know what I mean? Alicia: that's a good point. It's just but what I do for that footage. Hali: my god, I know. I know. But back to In the City. so Owen, so after we learned about Amanda saying I had the text ready and I didn't send it 'cause she was blocked, blah, blah, blah, it then switches back into talking about Owen and this divorce thing. And I thought it was really interesting when Owen said or called out pretty much everyone in the cast for only asking him about his divorce on camera when things were being filmed. And then outside of filming, never asked. And also once filming rapped, no one asked anything about it again. So it's like, was this for the camera? And then the little leprechaun pipes up Alicia: Okay. Hali: and he's like, You can't use that as a weapon. Like you told us not to ask you about it, blah blah blah. We knew that that was a line we couldn't cross. Shut the fuck up, Gavin. Like that's not true. You guys were doing Alicia: It's not true. Hali: it for the story and you wanted the the airtime. Alicia: You didn't want the spotlight on your bad life. So you tried to go after this guy who you thought was just like some quiet guy that you could like walk all over and you didn't realize like he'll get ya. He'll get ya good. Hali: Yeah. Yeah. Alicia: And Gavin just shut up. Like I I don't want to hear his stance on anyone other than himself. I need to know what's going on with his life. We have no information. Hali: Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And Lindsay refers Alicia: so Hali: back to the boys. She says it again in this part too. I'm like, You are too much, but that's all I'll say about that. I was like you just need to s Alicia: not gonna promote that anymore because I tagged her in my boys post on Instagram. Hali: And she did not get back to us. Alicia: No. Or Kyle or you guys. Yeah. So no I will. Yeah. Yeah, for our two and a half sales and that one time we bought the drinks. Hali: We're pissed. We're pissed. We're never buying Loverboy again. They're gonna lose a lot of money from our two sales. Alicia: no we have to we do though we have to get the lemon cello and the espresso Hali: Yes. Hundred percent. Yeah, we do. We do. Alicia: Flavors before the end of the summer. Okay. So that's real. okay, so Amanda and Kyle, Andy doesn't let them off easy. The only good part of this entire two-part reunion is this 10-minute window when we get to hear, is their marriage over? Is it not? You know, where do they stand as friends? And it's more clear than ever that it's friggin' O V E R over, over, over, over. Like Hali: Yeah, yeah. Alicia: meet each other. So Amanda right away pulls out the big guns and says that Kyle cheated while they were married. Kyle Hali: Well, she said he was making out with someone right after their nuptials. And she got word. Alicia: Right. Hali: And but she said she found this out re no no no, the making out she did find out right after they got married. So again, what are we doing? You knew he Alicia: Well Hali: cheated on you before you got married. Now he's making out with someone right after you get married. what is it? A Cheetah doesn't change his spots or what is it? Yeah. Like what the fuck? Alicia: Yes. Yes. No, that's yeah, and and and it's true. I but it the thing is, how are you that dumb when you're a public figure and you're just like making out with chicks at bars? It's it but it's as dumb as Amanda. So it's actually wait, like right? Amanda's doing the same thing. Hali: That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Alicia: Like, not the same thing because they're at this point they're broken up, but I'm just saying you know that if you go out And kiss anyone, anywhere, you're gonna get your picture taken. So, Kyle, you know you just got married. And I just want to be clear, I I think that anything that Amanda is saying is true. I think it's just I think that everything she's saying is true. I believe we know he's cheated on her before they were married, while they were married. after he's hooking up with all these girls. It's just who Kyle is. He actually used that as an excuse. He said, well, this is who I am. And Andy just like cringe. Like that's not that's that's that's being a forever bachelor. That's telling the world I'm not husband material. And that's fine. But you have to stay in that lane, Kyle. That and I it was Kenny. Kenny was like, Do you want to die on this hill? It was such a it was a bad look and the problem is if Amanda just shut up and let Andy say a segment, it he would have been screwed. He would have looked so bad. But Amanda tried to use Kyle's indiscretions as a shield for herself. And then Kyle didn't even look that bad. That motherfucker just got off scot free. And Hali: I know. Alicia: Haley. Haley. Then Kyle is all upset and He reveals that Amanda has insinuated violence before. Hali: Yeah, he said I tried to wake you up one morning and you almost hit me. Alicia: People are like freaking out about that. I'm like, guys, she she threatened to hit him because he woke her up. If my husband was out in New York City until four o'clock in the morning, I'm getting pictures all nights of him making out with girls in bars, he comes in drunk and tries to have sex with me. I might insinuate a little bop bop buckaroo too. Like that's what the heck? Hali: Well, I think what Kyle said is I was waking you up in the first thing in the morning to take the dogs out and you almost hit me. So I don't know how people are freaking out about that if he said, You were about to hit me so she didn't hit him So like no abuse took place. Alicia: I can't believe he even brought that up. Hali: I know. I know. Alicia: Like Kyle, that is and the reason that it's crazy that he brought it up too is because he's worked so vehemently hard to protect her and make her not but the physical violence, you literally that's like that's a career ender in reality TV. So why would he wasn't thinking? He wasn't thinking. Hali: Well and I think he must regret he must regret so much that he had a hot mic and he called her a fucking bitch on camera 'cause that's Alicia: my gosh. Hali: what they did the flashback of and it like, Yeah, you're a dumbass. Like, don't you guys think? Alicia: And Amanda was like, You have to understand like this is we I this Hali: Nice. Alicia: is how we communicate. I would get that all the time. That's actually nice compared to what he said to me. And Kyle's like, That's not true. And I'm here to say I believe it is true. I n I know the song and dance. Both, yes, both sides. Bad. Hali: I I believe it. A hundred percent. From both of them too. I think Amanda was pushed to this point where she did something so horrible to her best friend and to her husband that there was a lot that came before that. Alicia: so much. And you know what? Kyle continues to not get it because Amanda or maybe Andy, someone brings it back to the night before she moved out when he brought the people back. Hali: Yes. Yeah. Alicia: And and Kyle's like, I don't even know why you were upset. Yeah, there was a girl there, but she was there with her gay friend. And Amanda was like, That makes it worse. That just means that he wasn't competition. What are we talking about? Hali: But then did you pick up on the fact that Amanda really honed in on that night that before she was gonna move out and how that was the turning point for how things were going to progress once she did move out in her mindset on the move out? And I'm like, honey, what? That Alicia: Yeah, I mean bullshit. Hali: was the turning point? I don't think so. Alicia: Don't lie. Don't lie to us. Don't lie to us viewers. We know that you're lying. You were done done. Hali: Yeah. Alicia: And I think, I think maybe you made this point on the podcast, off the podcast, at some point. Like getting out of a long relationship where you have had love and still some form, most people just stay married for the rest of their lives and are miserable. So like good good for them. But at this point. You know, just picture it. She's in a relationship with this guy for forever. They're married, but they're also making money. She's getting these brand deals. It's you're not just staying in a relationship that's expired just because it's comfortable. It's a whole nother added. You just you have a life you can't imagine. You have a beautiful place in New York. Everyone knows you. You're getting clothes. You are an influencer before an influencer was a thing. You influence the influencers. Hali: All right. Yep. Alicia: However, Extra hard would that be to walk away from? So I I feel bad because I have refused to walk away for less. You know what I mean? So it's like I Hali: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, absolutely. Alicia: I can't knock her too much on that. I gotta be honest with myself. Scary looking. Hali: Right, right. And then, you know, I think another thing we talked about last week was where was the mention of the divorce filing and that finally was brought up and it sounds like, you know, the there's they both have lawyers, they're both responding to things, but Kyle is making it a little bit challenging, but he actually made me laugh when he like, Yeah, well there's some things that need to happen like get your shit out of my house. Like, I can't believe she still has her shit there. Like, what are we doing? Alicia: I can't believe that we even need to put it in writing with a lawyer that it needs to be addressed. Like I it I don't see Hali: That just gives you a picture of the what he dealt with. Alicia: The thing is though, why we see it Kyle is a monster, but then we have he's not though, because a monster to me, like a true is like Jack's, right? If Hali: Yeah. Alicia: this was Jack's, he would have just taken all of our stuff and thrown it out the window or sold it on friggin online, Hali: Exactly. Alicia: like this is Britney Cartwright's t shirt, buy it for two hundred bucks, you know? And Hali: Yep. Yeah. Alicia: Kyle probably it probably hasn't even been moved off the bed. Hali: No, I know. Yeah. Alicia: It's probably exactly as she left it, which is annoying for someone like Kyle that is a neat freak. It's probably turning Hali: Right, right. Alicia: cuckoo bananas. Hali: I didn't understand Amanda said Kyle wants a walk away divorce and I'm like, what does that mean? I don't know what that Alicia: Like Hali: means still to this day. Alicia: I I thought that just meant like you walk away with your what you have, I walk away. We both walk away with no Hali: That's what I thought too, but then they mentioned like, well, there's some financial stuff too. That's Alicia: Yeah, so it's not walk away. Hali: what I'm saying. I'm like, what do you mean walk away? It's not walk away. Alicia: Well, it sounds like that's maybe what she w I don't know. I think I just need to know the lover boy of her of it all. Hali: Yeah. Alicia: I don't know New York laws, I don't know employership, I don't know how it matters, you know, if you're married when you started the business. I don't know if he's even willing to entertain giving her a piece of the pie, so to speak. So maybe she's Hali: Right. So Alicia: like literally if you don't even try to give me something, because her merch saved that company for at least a good year. Hali: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, what Kyle brought up, I think, was actually a key detail of this divorce is that he's still paying her health insurance. And I actually learned yesterday from my own insane life situation that paying a spouse that you're divorcing's insurance, even post divorce, is actually a big consideration on what you have to give the other spouse. So it really and I don't know what, like you said, I don't know what specific state laws are in New York for divorce, but typically it's going to come down to who makes the most money and then what is that that person that makes the most going to provide for that other spouse to make sure that they can get on their feet or they are, you know, living a similar lifestyle to as if they were still married and Health insurance is actually hold a lot, a lot of weight. So that's Alicia: It has to. Hali: very, very smart of Kyle to be paying that. So he may actually that's gonna look really really good to the judge for his case to not g have to give too much. I learned that yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Alicia: See, he's smart. He's smart. He's smart. He's smart. And I we said that last week. I said, I don't know the reason, but whatever it is, it's a damn good one. You're right. Wowers. Well. Hali: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So crazy. I feel like that's gonna be a fucking battle. I think that they think that's gonna be easy or whatever with these attorneys or everything. But this divorce I think it's gonna go on for years. Alicia: If I were her, I would publicly break up with West and just but but just lie and just be like, listen, through Hali: Yeah. Alicia: this divorce, I need to be done with you. Like just fucking meet me at a hotel once a week, whatever. Doesn't matter. No one can see us together. And I need to get through this with Kyle without him absolutely hating my freaking guts. And then once it is clear, let's just get married. Hali: So this that's an interesting point you bring up because they also learned this that with alimony, the there's certain stipulations that it gets stopped and ended early. I and one of them is that you cohabitate with a new person of the opposite sex for more than for three months or more. So if Amanda and West moved in and let's say the divorce happened and Kyle had to pay her alimony. If she's with Wes for three months or longer living in the same place, it's null and void and Kyle doesn't have to pay her a thing. Isn't that crazy Alicia: WHAT? Hali: how these divorce yeah, yeah. At least in mass, and I'm sure there's something very similar in New York, you can't imagine, it's it's very different. But yeah, once you do that, it's like, Okay, you're you're fine. You you shouldn't be taking money from your previous spouse anymore. Alicia: Wow Hali: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then if you Alicia: That's a good thing, right? Hali: get remarried it's totally done. You're done. At all. Which makes sense. Yeah. But even Alicia: Yeah, I would assume so. How the heck could you ever? Hali: living with the person is cr that's crazy. Just three months too. Alicia: so she's gotta stay far away from Wes then. Maybe Hali: Yeah. Alicia: that's why they keep calling them sleepovers. Hali: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well that's why she got the year lease. Haha. She's not stupid. She's not gonna move in with West. Alicia: yeah, so we're we're coming up on that any day now. Hali: I know, that's true. That's true. Alicia: So I guess I guess I mean overall they, you know, wrapped it up and put a nice little bow on it. They did what they could with this reunion. It should have been one part. I think that the season could have been cut in half. I think we should have never had the aftermath episode. I think if they were going to make this in the city season about so much about the divorce, we should have never had the aftermath. They could have just given all that's That information because it Hali: True. Yeah. Alicia: it was so stale by that point. It's I'm disappointed by In the City. I think the casting was bad. Hali: Me too. Yep. Alicia: I think that the storylines were worse. I think that their pregnancy pact is gonna knock out some of the people that sh don't deserve to be on the show anymore. So hopefully they won't return. Hali: So I don't know if I sent this to you, but there's rumblings about West Wilson possibly coming to end the city season two. I saw it yesterday last night and I was like no fucking way. Alicia: I thought it I think he said I'm never going on reality TV again. Yeah right, you love the spotlight. Shut up. Hali: fucking liar. Yeah, no, he's a fucking liar. But yeah, that's a wrap on that show. Thank God. I don't r honestly I don't want to hear anything else, but you know we're gonna have to talk about Kyle and Amanda 'cause there's gonna be so many different things that happen and Kyle does and Alicia: But we'll we'll but my hope is that we'll be excited at that point because we like Hali: Right, right. Alicia: won't have touched it. okay, Haley, think about it. This is episode eleven, you and me, or twelve, eleven. That means Hali: Yep. Yep. I love it. Alicia: eleven weeks we've been talking about Kyle and Amanda. Hali: I know, I know. Alicia: We've been talking about it, we've been watching it, we've been writing about it, we've been that's all I consume, it's all I think about. Some days I don't even look Hali: Even longer than that cut though, because we started the pod at the end of Summer House. So Alicia: Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah. Hali: it's been way longer. Alicia: This is crazy and it's I'm happy to close this chapter. Hali: Yeah. Alicia: now let's have this is a real on camera conversation. So Hali: Yeah. Alicia: House of Stasi. Do are we would we like to cover that for these people? Hali: I I think we should. Alicia: Now I me too. So let me just say this and then you tell me your thoughts. So At first, because when you said, it all drops at once, I forgot who was like that. Hali: Mm-hmm. Alicia: well it's good for us, but bad because then it's hard to cover. So Hali: How do we break it up? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Alicia: so Tim was like, Duh, just like do like three part threes. Like th just Hali: That's what I was thinking. Group them together and do like a couple of episodes even. Alicia: Yeah, I was thinking that too, till I watched the first twenty episodes of episode one. There's it's not possible. Hali: No, I know, we're gonna have so much to talk about. I don't know if we can do that. Alicia: So I think what we need to do is n episode number one deserves its own spot in this time. And so does the finale. So there's eight Hali: Of course, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Alicia: episodes, so that leaves us six. So we'll do four episodes. Episode one coverage, episode two, three, four. Hali: Yep. Or two, three, Alicia: Five. Hali: four, five. Alicia: Four five six. We're gonna have to watch and Hali: Four five six. I think I think we're gonna have to depend it on w what happens in the episode. If it's like a super booming episode. Cause she's a there's a l my god, it's it's w have you started it? Alicia: I am almost done with the first episode. I'm I don't want I don't wanna say too much 'cause I'm so excited to talk about this next week. Hali: It's it's wild. Episode two gets wild. Yeah. Alicia: I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I love her, Stasi. Love her. I've always loved her. I didn't care that she was a monster. I love Hali: Yeah. Alicia: that she's become a l like literal angel. Like she's she's still crazy, but she is like the type of woman that you you wanna be like. I mean, she's idle status. I love her. Hali: yeah. A hundred percent. But wait, question I never knew she had a sister. I always thought she Alicia: Yeah. Hali: just had a brother. Alicia: No, she has a sister too. She would Hali: Was this was this chick just not living with her and her or her mom or something? Jor like Alicia: She was living with Stasi and she got kicked out, is my understanding. Hali: No, I know in the show, but Alicia: you're talking about Georgina, the sister. Hali: Ye not Bo's sister. Stasi's sister. Alicia: okay. Yeah. Hali: Yeah, the redhead. I never knew of her. I only remember on what, Vanderpump that the brother, who was like a little boy at the time. Alicia: It was yeah, they o they only showed Nikolai on Vanderpump. Yeah, this is her sister. Same red hair, just like her mom. Hali: Gotcha. Okay. Yeah. Alicia: Yeah. Hali: So I'm excited. but yeah, that's that's a wrap in the city. See you later. Never come back. probably will come back. Obviously, we know there's gonna be season two, so we shall see, but we will catch you guys next week. All right, bye. Alicia: All right. Bye everybody.