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115. My 2-year-old says "Mama stay" (The truth about running a podcast) · All Figured Out with Andrea Barr: Figuring Out Work, Life and Parenting

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  Oh my gosh, I feel kind of nervous.
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  Is this what it's like to be on the other side?
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  And it reflecting back, it makes me smile because I had the
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  audacity to start a podcast when I was in my first trimester with
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  Brody in my stomach. Who does that in such a curious
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  person? And I love hearing people's
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  stories. And I do that in real life.
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  But and I don't often allow people the opportunity to turn
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  it back around. I cannot believe that I get to
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  interview people like you interview people like some of
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  the guests we've had on recently.
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  Mindy Crawford used to work for Jillian Harris, who's now doing
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  human design. Who's a mom?
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  Who's a human? So insane to me.
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  Follow a small breadcrumb and see what happens.
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  Sarah Chapman Funston Hi, thanks for joining me on the all
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  figured out podcast. Truly being dragged in little
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  peek behind the curtain. We had time in our beautiful
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  set. If you're watching this on
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  YouTube, welcome welcome to the video land.
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  This girl starts an audio podcast and then all of a sudden
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  she's like, OK, we're we're making full production.
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  Anyways. You have been so gracious and
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  been helping me the last couple days to produce this whole
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  fiasco and it's been such a. Pleasure.
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  Fun. And we were talking about
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  turning the mic around because I like to interview people and
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  grill people and get to know them.
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  And you were kind of sharing, hey, do people know about you?
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  Yeah, I like to preach that to all my clients is like everyone
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  wants to know about what makes you tick, and you're really good
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  at getting things out of people, so let's see what we can get out
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  of you. God.
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  OK, we're going to start and we're kind of new friends.
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  I feel like we became fast friends and we say that we're
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  very alike and we align lots of different ways and we both moms
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  and doing our own thing. So as someone who's a new kind
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  of friend to you, I want to know a little bit more about what's
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  been going on with you, especially in the last two years
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  since you started this podcast, because I don't think you've
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  caught everyone up on the changes.
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  You had one baby, now you have two.
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  What's different and what's the same?
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  Oh my gosh, I feel kind of nervous.
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  This is what people Is this what it's like to be on the other
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  side? Probably, yeah.
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  It's clammy. Um, yes, OK, that's a great
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  question. So I started the podcast and in
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  one of my first, I think it was episode 3 or two or something, I
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  think I had shared my story up to that point.
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  And so that's a great question because since then a lot's.
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  Happened to yours is a lifetime, especially when you have little.
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  Kids, I mean, I've grew an entire human 10 fingers, 10
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  toes, they're all there. They're still there and he's 2
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  now. And so I the reflecting back, it
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  makes me smile because I had the audacity or I don't even know
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  what word I'd use. But I decided to start a podcast
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  when I was in my first trimester with Brody in my.
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  First trimester, yes. I didn't realize it does that.
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  Yeah, as a mom who does that? Yeah, especially with a toddler
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  running around. Weird.
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  What was I thinking? Feeling.
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  Exhausted. Yeah, but I think back on that
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  and I'm like, I'm so proud of that.
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  Yeah. I think it's a funny fact.
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  I truly wasn't doing it in the moment to be like, oh, this is
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  going to make a good story one day.
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  I just had this, I needed to get this out there.
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  And there was so many. No, not OK.
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  You know what I was going to say?
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  There's so many people, so many naysayers.
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  There weren't actually any naysayers.
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  There was just the my perceived judgments of what others might
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  think. Yeah, which is such a theme in
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  my life. And I was like, who am I to have
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  a podcast, whom I to put this out there?
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  I'm only a mom of one. Like I had a 2 year old.
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  It's not like I'm like some veteran mom or anything like
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  that. But then I was working with a
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  copywriter and she came up with the name.
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  I'll figure it out. And it came in my inbox.
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  She was like, what about this? And I was like, fuck, yeah,
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  that's it. Because it's.
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  And then people, it was like I was having conversations.
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  You know, you start floating the name, which you should never do
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  in you're pregnant because I started floating the name.
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  Some people were like, but do you need to put like a question
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  mark? Because like, are you saying
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  that you have it all figured? I'm like, no, I'm if you know
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  me, you know, I'm not saying I have it all figured out.
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  I have nothing figured out. I've spilled coffee like always
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  spilling, always spilling. And just, yeah, it was anyway.
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  So it was just this like this thing that I had to birth.
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  And it's so fun to think back and look back and listen back to
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  that those early days of the podcast where I was, Oh my gosh,
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  literally everyone who says I actually was in my closet the
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  first couple of recordings because I thought that I needed
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  the sound to be muffled by the clothes, but I actually had a
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  really great mic. So it turned out I didn't need
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  to do that and I was just learning as I went.
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  So in the last two years, to answer your question, it's been
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  such a fun journey of like my I guess that I had on recently,
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  Christine was talking about just following the bread crumbs like
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  people. The number one question that I
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  got asked in those early days and sometimes still get asked in
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  this podcast. Oh, so So what?
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  How are you making money with it?
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  Are you making money with it yet?
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  No, not kidding. Every time.
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  And that I think people forget that a podcast from a marketing
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  perspective is a long game. Oht Long.
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  And if you're starting it just to make money, then you're not
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  going to build authentic stories the way that you've done it,
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  because then you don't care about what the purposes are,
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  what the audience is taking away from it.
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  And there's been breaks, right? Like even actually right now I'm
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  in a bit of a, a break accidentally because, you know,
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  I don't necessarily have the perfect systems in place.
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  I don't have the perfect team in place.
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  It's coming. I mean, I have this perfect team
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  here, of course is doing the video, but it's just I'm, I'm so
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  much more into putting out conversations and doing it with
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  quality. My word of the year I've talked
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  about on the show is quality and that was part of this is doing
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  the video side of it and really upping my game and getting out
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  of my it's not out of my comfort zone.
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  Let's be real. I love him like I love the
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  camera, but but it's. Different, though, than sitting
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  at your desk. At yeah, upping it like I'm not
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  wearing PJ bottoms on them, you know, on the bottom.
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  I like shape my legs like so like big things.
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  So it's been such a fun journey and exploration.
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  And so I guess the in the last two years, it's been discovering
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  who I am as a mom of two and what it looks like to be an
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  entrepreneur with two kids and flexing in and out.
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  And how much rigidity do we need?
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  How much routine, how much rhythm?
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  Like I preach about rhythms over routines and what are our
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  rhythms like a day like today at this week, it's, it's a big
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  week. We've got 2 back-to-back 8 hour
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  days of shooting and it's, it's a lot.
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  So I got some meal delivery. Like this is, we're not talking
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  fresh prep where you have to like cook it.
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  It's like I've learned that get ahead of it and like, yeah,
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  treat yourself, you know, make things easier.
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  And so it's been so much fun. I'm just like continuing to wink
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  wink, figure it out as I go. And it's been, it's been such a
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  blast. And I'm so happy that I tried
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  it. And if I didn't like this and I
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  didn't like this platform, this medium, then whatever.
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  You know, I was listening actually to the skinny
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  confidential this morning. Piers Morgan was on it.
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  Controversial individual for sure.
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  It was an incredible conversation.
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  He had some really incredible wisdom.
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  And he was talking about just that old saying of like all the
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  failures. He's like, I've had so many
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  failures in my life. You don't try it, You don't try
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  things out. Then what are you going to, you
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  know, be on your deathbed and be like, oh, I wish, I wish I did
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  less. No, you know, you tried more
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  things and who cares if you tried the thing and you don't
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  like it and you you shelve it. But I'm so happy and grateful
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  that this is something that I have found and and stumbled into
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  and it just, yeah, it's been, it's been such a pleasure.
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  When a lot of the conversations you're having are so interesting
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  and I like, one thing I see when I'm listening to podcasts is I
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  hear a lot of great conversations with people, you
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  know, in North America or across the world.
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  But it's so fun to listen to conversations about people who
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  are experts in their field who live here with us because it
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  feels, I don't know, more like you can connect to them more
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  because, you know, you know, that they have a similar
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  lifestyle to you. Like, they're in it.
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  You know, they have all the same values as as we do here.
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  And there's something to be said about seeking those people out
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  and finding people we didn't know are doing really cool
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  things here. And not that you can't, you
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  know, get on Zoom and do calls with anyone, but the ones I
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  think that I've liked the most that you've done are the ones
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  that are Canadian and who really share that place in the world
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  with us. Because sometimes there's a lot
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  of disconnect, like, oh, this doesn't apply to me or this
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  person doesn't share my values as much.
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  So I don't know if I'm going to take as much out of it.
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  It's so true. That's a great point.
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  Even the celebrity like I love having a celebrity podcast on
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  the roster to just, you know, just numb out and have fun and
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  just enjoy whatever enjoy. But it's true when it's those
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  ones where you really want to be inspired.
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  I want to learn something. Sometimes if there's too big of
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  a gap from where you are and where that person is, you
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  automatically discount yourself discredit.
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  Yeah, that is even applicable to you.
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  So that's an incredible point. And I should mention for those
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  listening, I introduced Sarah on the podcast, which will probably
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  be out before this and or maybe not, I don't know.
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  But anyways, regardless, we will somehow make a link happen in
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  the show so you can listen to Sarah.
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  So she's one of those people who's had a big career pivot.
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  She's got two kids. She's a little bit ahead of me
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  and the motherhood journey. And it's it's so cool to just
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  hear, just hear women and parents talk about their
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  experience and making it all work.
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  Yeah. Or not.
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  Yeah, I mean, some of it's, it's day-to-day struggles.
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  One thing works one day and the next day not so much.
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  Yeah. So yeah.
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  So tell me a little bit more about like, how are you sticking
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  with this? Because I know that's one thing.
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  Like, podcasting is a huge lift. It's something that takes a lot
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  of time and money and effort. How with all the other stuff you
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  have going on with your clients and with your speaking
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  opportunities, how did you stick with this so well?
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  Because I think we all have seen those podcasts where they
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  launched and it's a big splash and then like, weren't we're.
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  We're not naming the name like. That yeah, yeah, well, I've, I
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  know a lot of podcasts have done that and like, you know, they do
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  the big shoot and all the like from marketing person.
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  I'm always watching like that's a lot of promotional money and
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  marketing you put into this and then six months later like 2
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  episodes have come out. But you are so consistent, so
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  how do you do that? Well, thank you.
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  I should first say thank you because it doesn't always feel
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  that way and it's not always actually consistent.
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  And in my head immediately I wanted to say to you, oh, but I
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  sometimes I take a break and no, not like.
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  You don't need to. You don't need to explain.
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  Yourself. No, you don't need to explain
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  yourself. And OK, two things are coming to
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  mind #1 selfishly, I forget and love it.
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  I cannot believe that I get to interview people like you,
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  interview people like some of the guests we've had on
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  recently. Mindy Crawford used to work for
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  Jillian Harris, who's now doing human design.
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  Who's a mom? Who's a human?
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  Yourself was so good. It was it's just so insane to me
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  and like a pinch me feeling that I get to have conversations and
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  just completely grill and drill down like in the best way
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  possible into these people who have such interesting stories
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  come such a curious person. And I love hearing people's
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  stories and I do that in real life, but and I don't often
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  allow people the opportunity to turn it back around.
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  So the fact that I actually get to just do this, this is like
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  what you're supposed to do. Yeah, Like, incredible.
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  Like, I enjoy it so much. And then the second thing is
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  coming up is there's, there's a dad who's a friend of mine.
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  And twice now he has come up to me and like given me a huge hug
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  and has thanked me because listening to some of the early
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  days of the podcast inspired him to leave his really comfortable
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  corporate job and become an entrepreneur.
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  And work in a yeah, work in a in a small business with business
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  partner and within six months or something he was surpassing his
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  income of his other goal like of his goals he's building a
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  business he's. Probably happier.
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  I'm trying to get him on the podcast, but he's like, why me?
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  Why now? It's incredible the number of
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  people that say that when you're like, I see so much in you, you
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  know who you are if you're listening and I think.
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  I said that when we did ours. Yes.
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  Like who wants to listen to? Me totally.
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  And it's just man hearings, hearing stories like that, that
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  like 1 episode one rambling where I'm like, what the hell
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  did I even just say or what was this episode even about?
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  You know, sometimes they're kind of random episodes where I have
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  guests who I just think you're going to be incredible on a mic.
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  They haven't really interesting advertiser story to tell.
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  I don't really know what the end game with it is, but I just
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  follow that bread crumb and it's so cool that people who come
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  back like that was such a great episode.
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  No. And in my head I'm like, oh,
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  that was a pretty random one. That was.
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  Broke but like like it went off I.
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  Loved it. But yeah, it was pretty rogue.
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  I didn't even know if we talked about parenting.
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  I don't even know if we talked about having kids.
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  Like, you know, sometimes I'm like, oh, I didn't even ask the
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  person about like their kids or whatever.
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  You have to go where the conversation takes you,
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  otherwise it's too contrived. You mean like, OK, we're going
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  to stop this great conversation. I'm going to steer it back over.
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  Here, yes, totally. And so I think it's just those
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  two things. It's like doing this because I
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  would I would continue to do it for free.
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  It does take a lot, but I love it so much that this this could
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  be something that I could see myself doing as a hobby, but I
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  won't because I'm a businesswoman.
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  Yeah. And then just hearing like the
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  impact, even that one person, even if it was just him and
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  there's been other people who have shared stories and it's, I,
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  I can't believe that it's, it's such a privilege to be in
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  people's ears and, and supporting that.
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  Well, it's not surprising because you're very wise and you
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  can create advice and you come from a place of expertise.
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  So I think. And that's why like even just
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  the fact that people say yes when you ask them to come on
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  should take great stock in that because if they didn't see the
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  value in what you're offering and what the opportunities
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  offering them, then they would say no.
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  They'd be like, no thanks, everyone.
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  The time is a commodity. Like time is money.
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  And then we all are busy. Yes.
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  So I think that that's a lot. So the day-to-day when you are,
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  you know, juggling between like, the kids and podcasting and your
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  marriage, what's the like percentage like for someone who
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  may be thinking like, oh, do I want to start doing something
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  like this or I want to start something on the side, but I
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  feel like I don't have the time. How do you allocate that time to
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  make sure that it's not getting lost, but that you still have
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  time for everything else that's important?
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  That's such a hard question. Hmm it changes all the time and
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  I think this thread of trying something and being OK and
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  willing and being flexible in your mind to pivot and try to
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  recalibrate and try something new or try something in a
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  different way is just the money. That is where it's at.
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  Follow a small bread crumb and see what happens.
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  Like do a small test like you said.
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  If someone wants to side hustle, don't, you know, don't go into
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  it and be like, OK, I need to replace my income next month.
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  Be like, do I even enjoy this? Christine Coughlin, who was on
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  the show, I interviewed her yesterday, which will come out
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  and she talked about how she was like, oh, maybe I'll do some
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  furniture restoration. She was like, I'm out there
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  sanding. I'm all geared up just like, I
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  hated it. And she's like, cool.
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  I wrote a blog post about it and like, I wasn't going to ever do
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  furniture restoration again. And I was like, yes, like that
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  is the best. Sure.
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  Are some things harder to test out?
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  Yes. Are there people that you can
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  ask about their day-to-day? Like do you want to be a lawyer
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  in your 40? Like a client that I once had, I
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  always talk about great, go test that out in a really easy way.
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  Go talk to some people who are. You can find a lawyer to talk
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  to. What's your day-to-day like?
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  Oh, you. There's a lot of reading.
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  I don't really like reading. I don't love that.
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  OK, maybe not for you, right? I'm sitting on at a desk 24/7.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  That's so funny you say that because I grew up with a mom who
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  was so passionate about the power of an informational
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  interview, which is what you're talking about.
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  And like, yeah, like, it doesn't.
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  What's the worst someone can say is like, I don't have time for
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  that. But usually people are happy to
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  help 100. Percent.
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  I think I've said that to you before.
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  Like all you have to do is ask. And usually people are like,
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  yeah, of course I would love to do that.
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  Or do you know someone who does this like that?
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  I, that's kind of, I feel like what you're kind of doing with
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  the podcast, but people don't have to put themselves out there
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  to do it. So maybe to give them an idea of
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  like this is what it would be like to go and ask those curious
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  questions. So maybe that will give them the
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  courage to go and do it in real life with a specialist that you
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  haven't interviewed yet or someone that they know
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  personally because you're kind of giving them that without
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  having to like, you know, if they're nervous to ask for help
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  or whatever. Yeah, yeah.
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  Thanks for saying that. And I think that that's going
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  back to the day-to-day and how it's all working and how we're,
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  you know, we make it work. Like I've said so many times, it
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  is all about continuing to recalibrate and look at where
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  you're at, what you need and testing it out.
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  For us, it has been a real finesse of looking at, OK, this
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  is what I think I want it to look like and testing out that
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  as a rhythm. So, OK, I think this is what
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  this is what it's gonna be. It's gonna look like this.
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  And when I say rhythm, schedule, routine, I know it's semantics,
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  but I, I save rhythm because, and I always talk about this,
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  about how it's, it needs to be flexible.
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  Like a conductor. You are the conductor and you
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  can ebb and flow. If you remember, like, you know,
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  grade school music class, you're learning about like the
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  crescendo, the decrescendo, like making something loud or bigger
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  or softening, like that's how humans work.
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  And so treating your life as that.
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  And I've really had to tap into that because I like going
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  really, I talk fast. I like doing things fast.
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  That's why I spoke like coffee everywhere.
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  And it's like it just having to really think about like, OK, if
• 18:11
  this, then that. So like, OK, like always say
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  like, what is the plan when your kids get sick?
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  If you're constantly feeling like that is the bane of your
• 18:19
  existence, then that is something you need to look at
• 18:20
  and you need to put a plan in place.
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  It's so hard, so hard, I know, because not everyone has family
• 18:25
  in town. Not everybody has the means to
• 18:27
  hire support and have that person on standby.
• 18:29
  But really like, is it having discussions with your manager to
• 18:32
  be like, listen, my partner and I are going to trade off.
• 18:35
  So every so every other time my kid gets sick, I'm going to be
• 18:38
  there just just opening those dialogues, right?
• 18:40
  And so for us, the way it's kind of looked in the last two years
• 18:43
  is really thinking about OK on or for us, I should say for me,
• 18:48
  because those, my working style is a little all over the place.
• 18:51
  Like I'm definitely more on the creative side.
• 18:53
  I can be buttoned down, but it takes a lot of my energy.
• 18:55
  And So what I've had to start doing is creating systems in
• 18:59
  place, I guess for myself that are like the defaults and then
• 19:02
  having rhythms within that. So my default Monday is no
• 19:04
  meetings with clients, but I do Podcast 2, at least two podcast
• 19:08
  recordings in the afternoon, which are slotted.
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  So if someone's going to book in for a podcast recording, it
• 19:13
  would be on Monday. Yeah, sometimes it's done.
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  Sometimes it's too, sometimes it's one on Wednesdays.
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  When I do my VIP days with my clients, I go to the same
• 19:21
  breakfast spot. If we're doing it in person, we
• 19:23
  know the same breakfast spot and we go to my coworking space.
• 19:26
  I booked the same room. This is so new for me.
• 19:29
  I am, I love novelty. I love a sense of newness.
• 19:32
  I love changing things up. However, I realized in this
• 19:36
  phase of life, things need to be a bit more streamlined.
• 19:39
  Yeah. And so again, the rhythm is if
• 19:42
  I'm going to have VIP day with A1 on one client, it's going to
• 19:45
  be on a Wednesday. It's going to be in this way.
• 19:46
  But it's not always going to be that happen that way.
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  So it's like an 80% of the time it works that way and it's the
• 19:51
  default. The 20% of the time, maybe it's
• 19:54
  on a Friday because like they really, you know, they don't
• 19:56
  have to care whatever. And that's been awesome.
• 19:59
  And I think that there's just real beauty in that duality of
• 20:02
  saying, OK, this is the structure, this is the default.
• 20:05
  This is the way we're thinking it's going to work.
• 20:07
  It would be like having, you know, days of the week for for
• 20:10
  meals or sex or whatever. If you've got like the defaults
• 20:15
  and then like it happens sometimes, it doesn't happen
• 20:17
  sometimes. And I think that's just, that's
• 20:19
  been a huge learning, especially since having two kids, which let
• 20:23
  me say, I thought that it was like, yeah, one to two,
• 20:26
  whatever. It's a little bit harder, a
• 20:28
  little bit harder. Yeah.
• 20:29
  Yeah, it is like double. What does more?
• 20:32
  Schedules and that's something that like what you said really
• 20:34
  resonated with me because I'm thinking forward to like my
• 20:37
  right now my kids are six and three and ones in school and
• 20:40
  ones not and ones in more activities in the other.
• 20:42
  And I'm thinking like, OK, when they're both in activities,
• 20:45
  how's that going to work? Like we're still trying to milk
• 20:48
  the one car. Like, yes, we have some help
• 20:50
  with my mom, but I think putting the plans in place, yeah, it
• 20:55
  makes it that you can stay accountable for things like the
• 20:57
  fact that you're, you're telling me that you are recording one to
• 21:00
  two podcasts most weeks? That's insane.
• 21:03
  I feel like that's so awesome that you're able to allocate
• 21:07
  that time because it would be so easy to think, oh, the client
• 21:09
  has to come first or this has to converse and for it to get
• 21:11
  pushed. But and even the kids being sick
• 21:15
  thing like that. I think for a lot of us who are
• 21:17
  like planners can make you stressed to think like, what if
• 21:20
  this happens? But to even go to your boss and
• 21:23
  say like this is what we do. So it's not like on the actual
• 21:27
  morning of like a blow up of emailing and I have to move this
• 21:30
  meeting or whatever. That's so smart to do it that
• 21:33
  way, and not just to make the plan internally with the family,
• 21:36
  but to say it out loud to those around.
• 21:38
  You yes, and it's just because there's so many layers of the
• 21:41
  anxiety or the fear or whatever you want to call it where it's
• 21:44
  like, Oh my gosh, what if the kid gets sick?
• 21:47
  Then what's my work day? And like, Oh my goodness, now I
• 21:49
  have to communicate that to my team.
• 21:51
  What are they going to think? And then and then it's just this
• 21:54
  cascade. But if you try to get ahead of
• 21:55
  things as much as possible and just have those discussions, and
• 21:59
  if that's not working, it's not working for them, is not working
• 22:01
  for you. OK, You've got a massage that
• 22:03
  because it's not worth it for you and your life to live in
• 22:07
  that fear, in that anxiety once or twice a month when your kids
• 22:10
  are sick. Yeah, Like that's no way to
• 22:12
  live, right? Yeah, I think that that's such
• 22:15
  good advice. And so we kind of touched a
• 22:17
  little bit on kind of what's working and not working.
• 22:19
  But tell me a little bit about what's next for the podcast.
• 22:24
  Video YouTube. The number of people that I've
• 22:27
  reached out being like, Oh my gosh, you're gonna do this for
• 22:29
  every episode. I'm like, ah, the big list.
• 22:34
  It's a big, literal big lift. Yeah, I would love that.
• 22:39
  But quality upping it really going for the guests that in my
• 22:43
  smaller mind would have said like, oh, they wouldn't say yes.
• 22:45
  Or why would they want to come on this little show or
• 22:49
  continuing to just record in my bedroom studio, which totally
• 22:53
  works. And it's the way that I was able
• 22:54
  to just get it off the ground. I have an audio engineer who's
• 22:58
  working with me now. So there's less bottleneck in
• 23:01
  that regard. And just bigger and more and
• 23:05
  just really thinking about what does this audience want to
• 23:08
  listen to, you know, what do they want to hear?
• 23:10
  How, how might they be entertained and educated and
• 23:13
  what do they want to learn about when they're, you know, trying
• 23:17
  to escape? There's that balance of like,
• 23:20
  I'm cooking dinner or I'm driving and I don't really want
• 23:23
  to think about parenting all the time because I'm always thinking
• 23:26
  about parenting. So how can we?
• 23:27
  But then there's some great conversations to be had.
• 23:30
  And this is such a, and I know that there's so many people who
• 23:33
  are like, Oh my gosh, I needed to hear this.
• 23:34
  And so how do I find that balance?
• 23:36
  That's kind of what I'm what, yeah, what I'm thinking about
• 23:38
  and really trying to hone in on and doing more stuff like this
• 23:43
  or like the audience can get to know me and I can share a bit
• 23:46
  more openly about what I'm, how I'm trying to make it work and
• 23:49
  the failures that I'm experiencing and the winds that
• 23:52
  I can celebrate. And yeah, just share more.
• 23:56
  Yeah. So what are you still trying to
• 23:57
  figure out? What am I still trying to figure
• 24:00
  out? Hmm I'm still today, I'm still
• 24:08
  trying to figure out how to not have my heart break when my 2
• 24:12
  year old says Mama stay. He just learned the word stay.
• 24:19
  Who taught him that? What I'm like, Mad at who?
• 24:22
  Wherever he heard that. Word.
• 24:23
  My daughter says that to me. When I left this morning, I was
• 24:25
  like. May is and it's not.
• 24:29
  I don't want him to not say that because that makes me feel so
• 24:32
  good. But then how do I, I don't know.
• 24:37
  I don't, I'm trying to figure it out.
• 24:38
  How do I reconcile that? What do I want that to look
• 24:41
  like? What is it saying about what
• 24:42
  value of mine that's being kind of attacked when he says that
• 24:46
  family, you know, our connection and to a 2 year old.
• 24:53
  So listen, we're doing a podcast recording in Port Moody and
• 24:56
  we're you know, they'll make it in real life.
• 24:57
  So they're not like he's like a banana like this next one,
• 25:01
  right? So that's what I'm trying to
• 25:02
  figure out today. That's fair and it's real.
• 25:05
  It's real. Stay God damn word.
• 25:10
  Well, when they're older, they're gonna say go so.
• 25:12
  We should. Just milk it as long as we can.
• 25:15
  So sad. No, they never will.
• 25:18
  He'll stay in my bosom forever. Well, thank you.
• 25:23
  Thank you for hosting me on my own show.
• 25:26
  Thank you for encouraging me to do something new.
• 25:28
  And I was like, OK, I'm usually behind the camera doing all the
• 25:31
  all the things, but. I'm running around.
• 25:33
  I have to also, like you have said, you know, practice what
• 25:37
  you preach. Yeah, test out this breadcrumb.
• 25:39
  Yeah, Maybe this will be your new thing.
• 25:42
  We'll see. Run around town on podcast.
• 25:44
  Thank you, Sir. I appreciate.
• 25:46
  You. Thank you.