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Gutsy Women- Rosie · UK Column Radio

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Hello to the UK column listeners. I'm delighted to be back. And what's
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the subject today? The subject is gutsy women. And I've got a lady
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with me who i haven't known for very long, but we started a little
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bit of communication over her good efforts and you'll hear about those in a minute.
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So I'm going to welcome to the UK column a lady called Rosie.
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Hello Rosie, and thank you very much for joining me. Yes, hello,
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and thank you for having me here. It's a pleasure now. You
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have been active in creating an organization I'll named the organization. It's the White
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Rose UK. And I first became aware of this some time ago, and
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as we'll see in the conversation, I was very interested at what you were
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doing because of the origins of the White Rose. So Rosie, tell us
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a little bit, if you will, just a little bit of background to
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yourself, as much as you're happy to share, and tell us what the
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White Rose is about. Sure, so well, it all started back in
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twenty twenty. We all know what was then, when restrictions mask wearing,
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the lockdowns and all that started. It was me and a few others in
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my family and who are close to me. We just realized things aren't going
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They're just going wrong. And it reminded me strongly of the time during World
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War two Germany, and as a teenager, which is quite a while ago,
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I watched a film from the original White Rose so Vice it also they're
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called in German, and I felt very inspired at that time. I was
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very touched from what they did. But I never I never thought it would
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ever I would ever come to a city into a situation which would be similar
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to theirs, although it may look very different from the outside. So back
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in twenty twenty, I mean, things are very relaxed now, but back
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then it seemed quite scary. How Boris Johnson introduced the lockdown and then first
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promise it's going to be three weeks. After the three weeks were over,
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it just got extended and extended further and further. There were restrictions coming up
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which nobody would have dreamt up that could be ever implemented into this society,
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like having to wear a mask to go to the shop and all these things.
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And then of course quite early they started promoting the vaccine, which was
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then still in development, and it just rang a lot of alarm bells,
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and that's when when I started to I remembered the White Rows of Germany,
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and I remembered how they how they resisted in a peaceful, passive way.
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So they wrote leaflets and they distributed the leaflets without giving away any names,
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without showing who they were, and I thought, we have to do something
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similar, So I wrote a leaflet. We didn't have a website or anything
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at that time, and I went to one of the very early protests in
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London and me and a few others we distributed this leaflet. And it was
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only few months later where we started at the website, and then we got
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a lot of support. A lot of people joined us and said, oh,
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it's so good to know that you exist. It's so good because we
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thought we were the only ones, and we thought, you know, this
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is so much craziness, and they were and people were afraid, and they
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just really were glad to come across a group like we like us. And
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then it just it just grew from then on, and people subscribed to our
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newsletters and we always kept people informed. We attended various protests in London.
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Yeah, and then after of course, after a few years, things just
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calmed down and the restrictions eased or went away. But when we thought,
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okay, sure it's going to be over, when when you know, when
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this COVID type is over, then it just all of us together. We
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just discovered more and more things, and people kept sending in information of more
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things what connected to this COVID and to the agenda, and then the picture
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just grew all was bigger, and then we just realized that we can't stop.
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But we can't stop, we have to continue. There's so much connected
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with this COVID thing. There's so much what belongs to the same agenda.
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Yeah, so that's why we're still continuing our work. Basically, thank you
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very much for that. This is extraordinary for me because lockdown, for you
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obviously made a huge, huge impression, and obviously there are a lot of
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people now who are prepared to say, my goodness. You know, looking
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back, I could see in some ways people looking back seem to feel more
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strongly about lockdown than they did it at the time they were experiencing it.
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But I think I understand a little bit of how that worked. But clearly,
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for you and other people around you, the lockdown made a significant impact
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on them. It was very These are just my words for it, but
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it was very oppressive, very quickly. And then we started to see strange
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behavior in other people around us, people who normally we might consider friends or
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they could be family members, they suddenly started to act differently during the lockdown
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period, and that was a big shock to me. There were some members
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of my wider family that were clearly very frightened not only of what was happening
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in lockdown, but they were frightened as to what the police might do if
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they broke some of the lockdown guidance, like socializing or having Sunday lunch together.
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So that was the background, and that started you thinking about the resistance
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back in Nazi Germany. And when our conversation started, when I started speaking
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speaking to you, which was which was only a few week couple of weeks
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ago, I immediately said, my goodness, this is incredible because back in
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two thousand and eight, it was actually February in two thousand and eight when
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the UK Column was printing a a written newspaper, which we were in that
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time. We had a full nearly a full page article which was the main
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headline on the page was the UK Column battlefield analysis explaining how the UK is
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being destroyed from within. And then the picture was a black and white picture
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of the three key German young German people who were involved with the White Rose
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resistance movement. And our warning was prompted by the fact that we saw,
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we felt that there was a new fascist system creating itself through the European Union.
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And I went looking on the internet and I was looking about oppression really
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and I remember that led me into some YouTube clips and the next minute I
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also found the film about the White Rose resistance group. And just to help
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the audience out a little bit, if I may or just read a little
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bit of what we wrote, You've also got information up on your website which
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is recognizing these I'm going to call them youngsters because they were very young.
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They were in their early twenties, if I remember correctly, it said we
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said at the time, the White Rose began distributing anti government leaflets in mid
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nineteen forty two. Now remember this was happening in Nazi Germany. The main
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authors were hands Skoll, Alex Schmorel, and George Wittenstein. They wrote four
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leaflets and distributed about one hundred copies of them of the one hundred thirty five
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fell into the hands of the Gestapo. At about this time, Sophie Skull
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joined the group. It is known that Hans Skull coined the expression leaflets of
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the White Rose, but the origin of the expression is unclear. The leaflets
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protested against the brutality and evil of the government and against the extermination of the
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Jews, which was becoming to become more known to more people at the time.
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So the student revolt which is also there with this, and people involved
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were hand Skull, who yes was twenty he was a medical student, and
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his sister Sophie twenty one, and then there was another young guy who was
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actually in the German army at the time. But when they put these leaflets
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out, people were being executed, and a figure that I found on information
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the German White Rose website was that over five thousand people were executed under the
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Nazi regime for making trivial offenses such as making jokes about Hitler or listening to
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radio broadcasts from Britain. So Rosie just quite incredible that both of us we
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came in at a slightly different angle, but what we picked up on was
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that there was an oppressive regime installing itself in UK, and we both found
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the bravery of those young, those young German people who stood up against their
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own government. Yes, and I remember that I named the first leaflet what
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I wrote, before I even knew we were going to have a website or
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any group or whatever. I remember I named the first newsletter continuation of the
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White Rose, because they had a friend who wasn't executed, and she,
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I think, as far as I remember, she carried on writing in the
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same spirit as they did, and so I recited her when she said the
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White Rose has to continue. This is a continuation of the White Rose,
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and back in twenty twenty, although it's a completely different setting. But when
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I read, when I re read, I have to say their leaflets from
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the forties, I noticed the core of their whole resistance was the same.
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They were resisting some evil power. They named it evil power, and they
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wanted to wake people up, and they said it in these words, they
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wrote it in these words, and that's exactly what we wanted. We wanted
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to wake people up because during COVID people were asleep walking into some oral how
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do you call it dystopia, and it seemed like the regime. The regime
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what was ruling in England and not just England, or was the worldwide was
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just would just go on and go on and do more rules, and we
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didn't know where this was going to end, and it looked scary at that
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time. So kind of it was comparable. I know people there were people
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who didn't understand are comparison. They would say, well, how could you
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be so that's cruel to compare it with the White Rose of Germany. That
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was a completely different situation. But I also wrote someway in another leaflet or
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in somewhere, I remember saying that at that time when the White Rose in
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Germany, when they were distributing their leaflets, nobody would approve of what they
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were doing. They were apart from their friends and those who were thinking the
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same way. But a lot of people would say, why would you do
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such a thing. That's that's that's not good. But you're going against the
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regime. And they weren't popular at that time. They only became heroes after
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their death. So yeah, yes, that's that's absolutely right. And if
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you allow me, I'll just read what you have posted on your website.
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The White Rose UK and this is a brief history of visa Rose. If
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I've pronounced that properly in German and you say here. During World War II,
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a German underground movement called the White Rose distributed leaflets calling on people to
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resist the Nazi regime. One of their leaflets mentioned that every single human is
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entitled to a government that guarantees the freedom of every single person and the well
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being of the community. Every human should be able to reach their natural goal,
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their earthly joy, autonomously and by their own accord. The White Rose
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Rose spoke to people's conscience and urged them to wake up from their dangerous lethargy.
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In their fourth leaflet, the members of the White Rose wrote, we
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won't be silenced. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose won't leave
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you in peace. And as you said, the main members of the group
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were executed, and that included Sophie School and a brother, Hans School,
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and their friend Christophe Probst as well. And yes, it is amazing that
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here we are in twenty twenty four, and both you and I see the
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relevance in the immense bravery of the young German people during that very dark period
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in Germany. Yes, and at that time, brutality was very visible,
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but it was not necessarily more than nowadays. In these days, the brutality
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is here too, but it's not visible. So we believe that many,
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many people are being injured by the so called COVID vaccine. We have the
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same brutality. Have you know this this bio weapon basically killing people, injuring
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people and making them disabled for their for life and things like that. And
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it's not just in one country, it's global. So there is there is
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a very big brutality, but it's it's covered, it's more masked up.
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We could say it's it's not as it was obvious as it was during Nazi
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times. Yes, this is a very good point that the brutality is very
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much there. I mean, we could say that we could look at the
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war torn areas of the world, so that we could we could look at
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Ukraine at the moment, or what's happening in Israel and Gaza and or Yemen,
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and we have wars where people are being killed and maimed, and that's
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happening overtly. But also we've got oppression of people which is coming in very
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slowly, to the extent that many people they sort of sent something is wrong,
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but they don't actually see it as an attack on them. And I
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just add that when we wrote that article in UK column back in two thousand
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and eight, Mike and myself had been to Bournemouth to meet up with some
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people who were very worried about what was starting to happen with removal of liberties
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in UK, principally as a result of law coming in from the European Union.
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But while we were there we had the opportunity to speak to a very
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elderly German lady. She'd lived through the war. She'd been bombed out of
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her home twice in Hamburg was one of those. I can't remember what the
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other German city was. But at the end of the war she formed a
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relationship with an English soldier who was based in Germany and ultimately she came back
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to England with him and made her life here in England. But she talked
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about the fact that when the Nazi regime came in. She described how it
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was very slow. Things came in slowly, so local officials got more power,
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and then they would get more power, and then they got uniforms to
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go without power, and then she said, then he got to the point
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where more and more of these local officials could come into your home for a
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number of reasons. And she reinforced it by saying that the oppressive regime installed
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itself like the drip, drip drip of an anesthetic. And then she said,
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and it's happening here in this country and I'm just so I'm so anxious
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because people can't see it. And that was a narrative that really stuck with
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me, because that lady had been through a lot, and she'd seemed terrible
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suffering and devastation inside Germany and here she was, or at that time,
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there she was, as a German lady warning us that the same things were
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happening in the UK. But so many people still do not seem to see
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what's happening. Yeah, and did you say that was back in two thousand
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and eight, Yes, yeah, so I think in twoenty twenty it was.
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Yeah, it became even more scary, even more obvious that that we
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are, you know, step by step, being led in some some kind
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of almost communist, communist regime. And yeah, as she said, drip
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by drip, that's what we were afraid of. That's what we noticed.
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That's why we felt it was so urgent to try to wake people up,
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because there was one restriction coming after the other, and it was when you
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when you just looked at it from a distance and not just you know,
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took it for like, oh, this is just coincidence. This is just
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how they're doing it because they want the best. When you took a step
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back and looked at it from a distance, you could see it's a massive
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plan behind it, and that we were that we were slowly moving into a
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very dystopian society. And that's why I think not just the White Rose,
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also many other groups then started and did it a great pushback luckily, and
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we were able to prevent then the COVID vaccine passport for sample. But of
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course those who are behind this or they haven't given up, and it's just
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continuing this, this step by step move into some kind of very controlled society.
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So I mean, the next thing on the agenda is the climate change
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hoax, one has to say, which is being used just to kind of
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get control over people. And again they're using similar tactics like during COVID they
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frighten people into believing there's some kind of urgency, and then they also try
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to tempt people to to act, as you know, to do good,
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to do the right thing. It's the same with the vaccine. If you
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take the vaccine, you're doing the good thing. You're doing it for others,
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you're doing the right thing. And same with the climate change agenda.
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If you give up your diesel or petrol car, you're doing the right thing.
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If you buy an electronic car, you're doing the right thing. If
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you if you just give into all these government restrictions, you're doing the right
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thing. But people don't understand often that it's it's not it's not for the
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good, it's not for it's not for the environment, it's not for us,
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it's not for our freedom. It's just to get more control over people.
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And if you look even deeper into this agenda, then you see it's
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all to reduce humanity, to depopulate the world. And I know a few
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years ago, I wouldn't have dared to say anything like that because I knew
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that people just think, oh, that's crazy, that can't be and I
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and I didn't even imagine myself that it would be that that bad. But
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it's just when you when you just look into the agenda, you just see
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the main goal is actually depopulation. And it sounds horrible, but it's it's
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just a fact. And if we don't face this horrible fact, they,
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as those who are leading this whole thing, they'll just continue with their plan.
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But but I'm positive I believe that we the people, I mean we
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are, we are much more in numbers for all that if we just all
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say no and just you know, just just stop doing what they say,
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we are able to resist this thing. Although it's already quite far. The
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plan has has gone incredibly, incredibly far, and we're kind of with the
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society to sleep walking into this trap where you know, everything looks everything looks
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good until you're in the trap and then you notice, oh dear, what
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are we doing here? Like we're not allowed out of our city, or
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we're not allowed to buy what we want, we can't own our own house,
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or we're not allowed to drive to places where we want to go.
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And if everything is moving in that election, but I still believe we can
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stop it. Yes, this is a very necessary and encouraging thing to say
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to people. And I think you're absolutely right in this that what happened in
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German society was within the German nation. What we see happening at the moment
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is clearly happening to a planned global agenda. But that means that we effectively
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have the whole population of the earth to be waking up and doing a little
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bit to stop what's happening. I always come back to many hands make light
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work, and if we had a lot of people doing just a little bit
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to wake up their fellow man, we would be moving quite quickly. But
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something is happening. I think we definitely see people. Many people have changed.
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They're maybe a little bit anxious, but they are asking questions. And
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I find this very encouraging because people have got to realize that something is wrong
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before they ever want to do something about it. So what did you do
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as the as the first thing for the White Rose here in UK? Did
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you set the website up or did you print something? How did you actually
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kick started? Yeah? Well the first thing was we just I felt it.
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First of all. I felt the urgency of trying to tell people that
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you know, this is not about a virus, it's not about our hell
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for anything. This is some kind of dark plan. I have to admit.
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The first three weeks when it all started, when they started talking about
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COVID or Corona was then still called, I wasn't sure what was going on.
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I thought, well, maybe, I mean, it could be you
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know, something like the Black Death coming. You never know, it could
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be all real and we might be have to we might have to be careful,
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and there might be people dropping dead and all that. But it took
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me about three weeks to notice it's just it's all hyped up. And I
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think what helped me realize that it's a hoax or that something's completely going wrong
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was when I read there was a Swiss website I think it used to be
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called a Swiss Propaganda something like that, that they changed the name later to
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Swiss Politics or something, and they wrote that there were not more people dying
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than during the flu, that Italy actually in North Italy usually has a problem
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with blong illnesses, long conditions, and all of that was kind of just
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used to make it look as if there's some kind of deadly virus, some
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kind of big urgency. When I when I saw the fact that that there's
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not more people dying than during the usual flu season, I just thought,
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Okay, well there's no reason to be afraid. There's there's nothing to be
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afraid of. So if there's nothing to be afraid of, why why are
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they coming up with more and more restrictions. And that's when I felt I
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need to write a newsletter. Yeah, with the with the original writer rose
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in mind, with using the same tactics, just giving it to people,
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trying to touch people in their heart, trying to reach them in a privately
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you know, just giving them a leaflet to read on their own. I
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wouldn't do a big thing out of it. And then I think it was
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a few months later. Actually we only we set up there. I needed
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help for the website and all that, and we were a few people who
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set up the website and where we put out articles, and we made a
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newsletter, and then people just started to subscribe to the newsletter. It's just
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more and more coming. I never imagined that would ever happen. I just
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thought, we'll have a website there for people to come back if they have
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a leaflet, so they could kind of come back to the website and look
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up maybe more information. But there was just more and more people subscribing to
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the newsletter. And when I say we it was me and a few other
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people. We continued distributing the leaflets. So we started off at a protesting
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in London, but we continued doing it at home where we lived. We
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went along the streets, we put them through people's doors. Usually we tried
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not to be seen because at that time it was I mean, it was
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as I said before, it was quite scary because if you've said anything against
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the narrative, they could have maybe call the police or have you arrested.
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We've seen things happening like that. So we tried to remain discrete and we
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just distributed hundreds and hundreds of leaflets by hand. Then we had other people
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who wanted to carry on, wanted to help distributing leaflets as well. And
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I think it's the leaflet thing. That's how it all started off, and
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that's just how the White Rose in Germany did their resistance, So they give
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out leaflets. Of course, of that time there was no internet, they
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had no access to any other media, so they had to use their own
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writing skills that I think they Yeah, they probably worked at nights hidden in
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their cellars and typed on their typewriter and printed it with their own printing machine.
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And and everything had to be done very secretly and very cautiously, but
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they felt this urgency to wake people up and to do something against this evil
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regime. And I think the admirable thing is that they went so far to
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risk their life and in the end they did die for what they believed in.
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Yes, yes, they were amazingly brave and they paid the ultimate price
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for it. But I can say to you, Rosie, that you said
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very early on that you found it I'm going to use the word challenging a
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bit scary during the oppression of lockdown to start to do what you did.
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And you've just mentioned you know that all you were doing was putting out leaflets.
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But at that stage in the UK, there was already this horrible oppression
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that yeah, you could go and visit a relative and that might result in
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the police turning up at your door. So what I want to say to
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you is that even at that time in the UK, what was happening was
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pretty nasty, and it took some courage for you and the other people that
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joined you to do what you were doing in handing out those leaflets. So
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I am delighted that you're speaking to me today under my Gutsy Woman series,
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because what you did took some took some guts, there's no question of it.
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It's funny that sometimes when I remember two of my older daughters who distributed,
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they went to get on their own disputed leaflets, and they told me
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that somebody came running after them angrily when they as soon as it was,
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you know, when they noticed they had this leaflet put through the door,
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they probably wanted to react and that opened the door and run after them and
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said they should take this silly leaflet. But on the other hand, they
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had somebody who ran after them and said, oh, I'm so glad you
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get me this leaflet because I thought I was all on my own. And
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yeah, so there was there were both reactions. Oh, I remember myself
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people getting angry from seeing the leaflets, and it was I think quite often
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people from the resistant would experience that anger from people as soon as you confronted
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them with what we believed is the truth, and when you try to wake
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them up, they got angry. So it's not like they would say,
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oh, I'll have a look at it and I'll maybe think about it.
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They often just had an angry reaction and it was again you could you could
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remind yourself of the Nazis when or not the Nazis, but the people themselves,
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for example, the ones who then betrayed, or that it was the
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it was a housekeeper who betrayed the sister and brother shol when he found the
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leaflets being lying around in the uni. I think that was the last time
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when they distributed leaflets. It was in Munich in the university, and he
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picked them up and he I mean, he didn't hide it away and keep
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it and think about it. He got angry and then reported them to the
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police. And even though again the brutality was much more visible there, but
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people from the resistance during COVID, during the lockdowns, we experienced similar things
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that people will get angry and then report you to the police and things like
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that for telling the truth or for you know, not wearing a mask or
33:49
going in a shop without a mask. It was when we think back now,
33:53
it's just so crazy. At that time, you couldn't enter a shop
33:55
without being afraid of being reported for not wearing a mask. I think that
34:01
was from September twenty twenty or something like that, it became it became mandatory
34:09
to wear a mask in shops. That's when I stopped going to shops because
34:15
I thought, I can't I'm not going to wear a mask, So I'm
34:19
just going to have to order my food online. And if I do go
34:22
to a shop, I'm just going to have to walk in and be challenged
34:29
to Yeah, be challenged. Yeah, yes. And you had the anger
34:36
which came out in people, which is similar to Nazi Germany because people did
34:43
get absolutely got angry with anybody who dared to say that the Nazi regime was
34:49
wrong, or Hitler was wrong, or any criticism of the government. But
34:53
the other thing that was encouraged, where people were encouraged to spy on the
35:00
each other and tell on each other, and that was was also a key
35:04
thing that was happening here in UK under lockdown. And then we've seen these
35:12
terrible minutes of the spy Be meeting that took place. That's my dog's ears.
35:19
If you can hear that flapping noise, that's my dog shaking herself.
35:23
Yeah, we had the terrible spy Bee minutes which revealed that they were using
35:29
the government was using applied psychology through this specialist team to make people more fearful
35:37
of the COVID nineteen threat and to make them more compliant with social distancing and
35:45
lockdown. So we have the anger between people, and we also have people
35:52
being encouraged to spy and report on each other if they if they weren't a
36:00
hearing to the government's so called advice. And then this was all sitting on
36:07
a foundation of fear that they've created. And these these are absolutely attributes of
36:14
what it was like to live in Nazi Germany. They might have, they
36:19
might have a little bit of a veneer or say respectable in inverted commas,
36:24
respectable veneer because it's here in UK, but it was exactly the same features.
36:31
Yeah, and that can't be accidental, can it. No? Yeah,
36:37
it's so many parallels. Also when I just recently reread the newsletters and
36:43
sorry, the leaflets from the Mitrose in Germany, and I just discovered so
36:47
many parallels. And it's not over. It wasn't just in twenty twenty.
36:52
It's still continuing. I just remember where they cited. I think it's some
37:00
kind of Greek philosopher and he already then knew that you need to make the
37:07
people pore, and you need to make so that their work all the time,
37:12
and their mind is then busy with having to get their daily food and
37:17
so there will be no uprising against the regime and things like that. Very
37:24
interesting parallels. Yes, absolutely, just sticking on what you did. So
37:32
you started out purely with leafletting. And again there's absolute similarities with the UK
37:39
column because we initially started by putting out one a four sheet printed on both
37:46
sides. That was the original piece of information. It didn't actually come from
37:52
the UK Column because we called ourselves the Devonport Column at that time, which
37:57
was an area within Plem, but it was an a four sheet. We
38:02
printed five hundred of them and these went out and nothing happened. And then
38:13
a month later we put out another five hundred and then something interesting happened because
38:19
we started to get one or two people contacting us, usually by email,
38:24
and they said, oh, you're talking about all these strange things going on
38:29
in Plymouth. Do you know this? And do you know that? And
38:32
they began to feed us with information, and encouraged by this, we took
38:39
a bold step and we went from an a four sheet to an a three
38:44
sheet folded in half, and that gave us four pages instead of two,
38:50
and that was the start of our written paper growing and eventually we had enough
39:00
support. We were doing meetings as well, so we would do talks and
39:04
meetings where we would try and raise money, and eventually we had a small
39:09
number of people. Most of them were retired, but they were very concerned
39:14
about what was happening in the country and they started to donate to us.
39:19
And also a local man, lovely local man, who said, I think
39:22
you need an office, and he paid for us to have this little office
39:28
for six months. We got a second hand table and chairs, and somebody
39:32
lent us a computer, and then we got a phone installed. And one
39:37
of the ladies who came on board to help, a lovely grandmom called Carol
39:43
Bragg. I remember her sitting looking at the telephone and she said, I
39:49
wish that be telephone would ring, but it didn't. And then a month
39:55
later Carol was looking at the telephone saying, I wish that phone had stopped
40:01
ringing, and it was. It was absolutely amazing the connectivity that came into
40:08
us from our start, just as you of printing what was essentially a leaflet
40:15
and a four leaflet. So it shows, doesn't it that in this age
40:20
of the internet, and websites and everything that putting a piece of paper out
40:25
on the streets is still a very powerful thing to do. Yeah, I
40:30
think so too, And I think it's personal if you get a leaflet and
40:37
it's just a bit calmer to sit down and to read it rather than sit
40:42
on the internet and an overload of information coming in all the time. So
40:46
there's maybe a chance to reach people, yeah, when they have time to
40:53
think. And that's why we then, I mean, we continued with the
40:58
website, and we're still continuing with the website, and there's a lot of
41:01
information was being sent to us and some of it we publish. But there
41:07
was a point we thought it might be good to have a printed magazine as
41:15
well, just to have something what can stay, what can last because it
41:21
might sound a bit hysterical, but we never know if the Internet is going
41:27
to go off or whatever, power cuts and then everything could be lost or
41:32
or a lot of that what we kind of want people to see and read.
41:37
But if we have a printed magazine, there's at least something what stays,
41:43
what people can have on their bookshelf or you know, or pass on
41:45
to other people. So we've yeah, we started with the Freedom magazine this
41:53
April. Actually it's the first issues is in April. Yeah, of course
42:00
you send a copy to me, and I'm going to say thank you very
42:01
much for doing that, because that's then prompted this conversation. Yeah, and
42:08
you've got a lot. You've got articles up on the website, so I'm
42:13
just having a look as we're talking. So you've got one Let's bring cash
42:16
back to life. You've got a free download book which is stop Them Together,
42:22
we will end World Control and this is how, and that's got eighty
42:29
eighty one authors in it, which is really impressive. You've got some very
42:32
nice White Rose badges. And then you've got a book here which is how
42:37
to Avoid Digital Slavery Stories and advice from forty authors. We've got one with
42:46
a wolf surrounded by some pretty vulnerable chickens and hens and a cockrel and that
42:53
says the big bad Wolf and the syringe. And the last one I think
42:59
that's oh no, there's two. Actually there's Hope amidst the Tsunami of Evil,
43:04
exposing the Great Lies, and there's the White Rose defending Freedom. So
43:10
Rosie you've got you've got a lovely selection of material and it's quite clear that
43:17
some pretty capable writers have got on board with what you're trying to do.
43:22
Yeah. So that Yeah, so most of the books what we offer to
43:27
our readers, they're written by we could call the members of the White Rose.
43:35
There's there's a lot of people who just like writing, and I think
43:37
a lot of them are probably a bit middle age or elderly people, so
43:43
they still have this time and maybe ability to write. And it's yeah,
43:51
it's a lot of it is just made from work together. So they've been
43:54
writing their says and we then put it together in a book and and that's
44:01
what we offer to people to read, and hopefully it will help to wake
44:07
up people or at least what is also important to strengthen those who are awake.
44:14
But maybe kind of was swimming against the tide. Yes, yeah,
44:22
well this is really excellent because the important thing is you did what you did
44:25
and it is growing, there's no question of that. And I really like
44:30
the way that you're saying, become a member with us and join the White
44:36
Rose family, which is a very nice way of putting it. And the
44:39
other key bit which you highlight and it's connected back to the skull siblings themselves
44:50
is that they had a Christian faith and this was a very important thing to
44:55
them. But you'd highlighted on the website that there was there was a Christian
45:01
background to the school siblings and this was a very important thing to them,
45:08
and you've certainly emphasized this on the website. And I see that on your
45:15
top bar. You're also you've also got a button to press, which is
45:20
prey. So tell me about the spiritual side. Yes, So I believe
45:25
that the sisters Sophie and Handshold they wouldn't have they wouldn't have had such a
45:34
strong drive to do what they did if they were if it wouldn't have been
45:37
for the faith, the Christian faith. And it wasn't just them, also
45:43
their friends. I think there was Christophe and Alexander. Now they weren't necessarily
45:52
a Christian from the start or living a faithful life. The sister Sophie and
46:00
hands were actually in the Hitler Yugen. So that's the the youth group what
46:07
Hitler, you know, the youth what was brought up to become Nazis.
46:12
They used to be in the Hitler Jugend when they were younger, and they
46:16
were quite opposed to their own parents, and their parents were Christians. But
46:22
over the years they then realized that the Nazi teaching is completely wrong and twisted,
46:29
and they then focused more on the faith, on their original faith,
46:36
and also I believe they were they grew up a Protestant Protestant church, but
46:44
they were quite influenced by a bishop called f Galan who was also a very
46:49
brave, outspoken person who resisted the regime by preaching. So he would preach
46:59
in church against the Nazis, and of course that pretty his life at risk
47:04
as well. They were influenced by his writing, but also by Cardinal Henry
47:12
Newman, which is an English cardinal who is now canonized, and he used
47:19
to be an Anglican, an Anglican man, he grew up an Anglican and
47:24
then I think he converted it when he was grown up to the Catholic Church
47:28
and became later Cardinal Henry Newman. And they've been inspired by his writings,
47:37
and even in their leaflets they do mention the spiritual side. So I can't
47:45
remember the words exactly, but it's pretty clear. We have it in the
47:50
in the in the White Rose book, by the way, the one where
47:52
it says defending freedom. We have their original leaflets translated and printed there.
47:58
So they they did mention the spiritual side of this, and they said that
48:04
things like, you know, the German population of German people have to turn
48:09
back to the Christian faith in order to to fight back against this evil,
48:19
which they were completely aware of, comes from from from the devil, or
48:25
they might have even named it that way, and they would. They were
48:30
absolutely clear about Hitler serving some evil uh evil powers, and that only with
48:42
the Christian faith, and only with the truth in the Christian Faith, could
48:46
could this whole thing be turned around. Yes, and I certainly, I
48:57
certainly support the view. It's been very clear to me for quite a few
49:01
years now that we're actually very much in a spiritual battle, and it's important
49:09
to recognize this, and it's important to understand that that means that fighting what
49:15
is happening has to be done in a spiritual way as well as using all
49:20
the wherew all that we have on earth. This is for me very clearly
49:29
a spiritual thing. And I don't know whether I'm alone but in feeling this,
49:36
but sometimes when you're actually challenging some of this system, you can almost
49:40
feel that there's a very dark and oppressive spiritual side pushing back at you.
49:47
Yeah, I think, and you see the whole picture and you understand that,
49:53
yeah, that it's more than just you know, it's more than just
49:58
politics or or society issues. It's it's yeah, it's spiritual. And it's
50:05
interesting that a lot of people come out and say that now because I think
50:10
before the COVID era, people wouldn't maybe dare as much. And now since
50:17
we've been so challenged with all these agendas and these yeah, yeah, what's
50:22
been happening in the past years, I think people dare to speak out more
50:28
and dare to go back to where does this all origin from at all?
50:32
So it's it's also bringing some good in that sense that we kind of think
50:37
back and and kind of contemplate what what is life all about? And what
50:45
what shall we decide for? Do we decide for the good? Or do
50:50
we are we on the side of the good or on the side of the
50:52
evil. If we're on the side of the good, we have to stand
50:54
up and and kind of yeah, just speak up and to admit that it
51:04
is a spiritual thing. There is God exists, and also demons exist,
51:09
and at one point We're all going to be judged for how we were so
51:15
we or what we did, So we can't just we can't hide away the
51:22
fact that there's more than just what we see on earth. Yes, And
51:29
I think we get a clue to the importance of this by the fact that
51:34
here in the wonderful democracy, the liberal democracy called UK, we're increasingly seeing
51:42
laws which are designed to stop people praying. I find this very significant because
51:49
I ask myself the question, why are they so frightened of people praying?
51:55
Yeah? That's another thing, isn't it When they try to restrict people praying
52:00
in front of abortion clinics. You know, they may be very peaceful people,
52:06
not even not even speaking to anyone, but just standing there and praying.
52:09
And there's yeah, there's there's stories that people were getting arrested just for
52:14
praying. So there shows that something is completely wrong in that sense. Yeah.
52:19
Yes, So how do you how do you see the the White Rose
52:25
growing? Are you now established in the way that you'd like to be.
52:30
You've got the website, you're publishing material, Have you got any other other
52:37
plans? Or is this is this now the the White Rose resistance? And
52:43
you and you're going to grow it from here. Well, the funny thing
52:46
is, I always thought, oh, when the lockdowns are over, we're
52:50
done with this. You know, this is only for during lockdowns, but
52:54
it but it just continued. And as I med mentioned at the start,
53:00
there's just always more to discover and people keep sending more more information. And
53:07
when you then see the greater picture and the Climate change Agenda or Agenda twenty
53:14
thirty, and when you see all of that, you just see there's no
53:16
end really until I don't know, until the whole system maybe gets toppled down.
53:22
For I don't think we have any concrete plans. I think we're just
53:30
yeah, well I always thought maybe we can just stop it when everything's calmed
53:34
down, But at the moment, it just I think we're just continuing how
53:37
it is. So we've set up the magazine and that's something we hope people
53:45
will subscribe to. And who knows, I mean, if it would be
53:52
lovely, if the website wouldn't be necessary anymore, We'll just continue what we've
54:00
done until now. As long as there's a need for the resistance, we're
54:05
just carry on resisting. And yeah, it would be lovely if we wouldn't
54:09
If the website wouldn't be necessary anymore. If the White Rose resistant group would
54:15
be kind of surplus, if things would turn out in a way that you
54:24
know, humanity is just free from all these dictatorships and all these dystopian plans,
54:35
then that would be lovely. But as long as we as long as
54:38
there's things to fight against, we'll just continue with this. For what we've
54:44
done, brilliant, well, Rosie, I mean, what a wonderful place.
54:49
I think you know that's a lovely place to end, because here you
54:52
are in twenty twenty four saying that you started your resistance with a lot of
55:00
impetus from what the school family did in Nazi Germany, and they ended their
55:08
resistance because they couldn't fight anymore because they were executed, but their material said
55:15
the resistance will continue. And here you are in UK in twenty twenty four
55:22
and you've also ended by saying the resistance will continue, which is exactly right.
55:27
I think this is a wonderful place to be and i'd like to thank
55:32
you for joining me, and I certainly thank you for You've used the word
55:37
dare quite a lot, but I know that during lockdown it took a lot
55:43
of guts to actually get out there and be amongst the public and challenge the
55:47
system. So I'm going to say you are a gutsy woman, and you've
55:52
mentioned your daughters who were brave enough to do it as well, so that's
55:57
really fantastic. We end perhaps by two things. One is we'll have it
56:06
in the notes under this audio clip. But your website is an easy one
56:12
to remember because it's the White Rose dot UK, so that's one. And
56:19
the other thing I'd like to draw people's attention to is that if you go
56:22
and search YouTube, there's quite a lot of information about Skull family and the
56:29
White Rose. But there's a particular film and it's called Sophie Skoll Colon the
56:36
Final the Final Days, and that's one hour fifty five and I've watched it.
56:43
It's very very poignant. But there's also some very good little documentaries that
56:47
have been done at other times, some of them in UK and they're in
56:52
English, and some of them that have been translated from Germany. But I'm
56:58
going to say to the audience, if you're really not aware of what these
57:01
amazing young people did in Nazi Germany, go and have a look at those.
57:07
And of course go and have a look at their legacy, which is,
57:10
as we've heard in the last hour, is the White Rose in UK.
57:15
So Rosie, thank you very much for agreeing to talk to me.
57:21
You've got the UK column audience listening to you. Is there anything you'd like
57:25
to say to them or ask them to do? Well? First of all,
57:30
thank you very much as well for giving this opportunity to speak. Well.
57:36
I admire the UK Column and I guess the people who watch and listen
57:39
to UK column are pretty much the same people, the same convictions. They're
57:46
convinced of the same things, like people at the White Rose who are members
57:53
of the White Rose. So I think together we just have to continue our
57:59
resistance and continue speaking out and doing what our conscience says. This the right
58:06
thing, I think. I think that's I think that's absolutely right. We're
58:10
going to continue the resistance until we get to that happy day when the bad
58:16
guys have been put in their box and we can do nicer things. Yeah,
58:21
brilliant Rosie. Thanks thank you very much for joining me. Thank you,
58:25
it's been great.