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Dennis A. Brennan: Media Evolution, Public Trust, and "DC Swamp Strikes Back" · Scene Projects Sports Network

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  On today's episode, we're joined by author, attorney, and historian Dennis a Brennan, whose
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  bold new book explores the striking parallels between Aaron Burr and Donald Trump.
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  He challenges us to rethink political narratives and examine how history repeats
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  itself.
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  Get ready for a fascinating conversation.
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  The following program is part of the Patreon broadcasting project brought to you by the
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  Scene Projects Podcast Network.
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  Welcome into this exciting episode of the Patriot Broadcasting Project.
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  With us today is Dennis a Brennan.
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  Dennis, welcome to the show.
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  Well, thank you for having me, Bubba.
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  I really appreciate it.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, I was a little unprepared.
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  I thought we were gonna do an episode of our other show, the scene projects, which is more
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  focused on music and culture.
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  But, after being told that I had the wrong Dennis Brennan, that, we we made a quick
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  changeover.
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  So I appreciate you being a little bit pliable for us today, and I'm really looking forward to
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  hearing more about your new book and and and getting to know you here.
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  So, before we get too far into everything, obviously, we're gonna talk about that book and
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  and helping you to promote that.
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  But we'd like to know a little bit of your backstory and, how how we got to here.
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  So the floor is yours, sir.
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  Sure.
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  Well, I've been an attorney for thirty five years.
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  And, as part of that, I've been involved in local politics, state politics, helping on
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  campaigns, even running some of them.
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  So I have an interest in politics just in general.
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  On top of that, before I went to law school and then somewhat after, I was also a newspaper
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  reporter, edited a small community newspaper, even published a paper down the road.
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  So I have some interest in how the media acts and how you're supposed to act.
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  I, I combine both of those into this book dealing with both Donald Trump and Aaron Burr
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  because of the similarities of, you know, both how the press acted towards both of them, how
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  history has acted towards both of them, and just the general politics where they came from
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  and, you know, where they went, so to speak.
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  That's my background.
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  I'm still practicing as an attorney.
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  This is my first book.
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  Hopefully, there'll be more, but this is the first go around.
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  Fantastic.
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  And love that you kinda have a media background in there as well and kind of riding that line
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  between the lawmakers and the the people who who kind of publicize how it is.
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  Because we know in this day and age, it's so easy to twist the story and to twist even
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  quotes these days.
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  Everything is taken out of context, and you have to be so careful about who you get your
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  news from and and and deciphering what it is they're actually trying to tell you.
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  So I'm thrilled to kinda hear your take on, all of it.
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  Right?
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  Like, what what is the media's role in, you know, the public portrayal of happenings
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  throughout, whether it's politics or it's just the local news and and local politics and all
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  the way up to the national scale.
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  Why would what do you think the media's role in this is?
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  Is it to be a a commentator, or should it be just to deliver the news as it is?
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  Yes.
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  It should be just to deliver the news.
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  In college, I studied journalism.
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  So that was my background.
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  I thought I would actually do that.
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  I am glad I really didn't do that.
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  But, journalism, when I the way I was taught, and this goes back to, you know, the early
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  eighties, you know, you had the five w's and the one h.
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  So you in every story, especially in the introduction, you're supposed to have that in
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  there or at least emphasize that.
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  And that's who, what, where, when, why are the five w's, and then the one h is how.
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  That's what the story you're supposed to build when you're writing a straight news story.
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  Use those, you know, words to build it out.
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  Somewhere along the line, journalism changed to advocacy, what they call advocacy journalism.
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  And you can see it I first saw it at the local level working on political campaigns where no
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  matter what you did, there were certain reporters and columnists who would write things
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  that just were a little bit slanted.
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  They were trying to push their guy over the finish line.
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  And that's, at the local level, and I thought, well, you know, it's local.
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  They're idiots.
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  Whatever.
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  They don't know what they're doing.
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  But I never realized it had gone, you know, national until, really, you know, Trump really
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  made it clear.
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  You know, when Trump came into the spotlight, they were so, you know, so far to the one side
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  against them.
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  No matter how you report it, it became what's the worst thing we can see out of this to
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  report?
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  And they were really advocating for the other position rather than whatever he would say.
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  You know, everybody that read about Trump, especially in the first term, you'd see fact
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  checks or just it's been debunked.
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  That became a new word.
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  Trump said whatever.
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  That's been debunked.
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  And I was like, where was it debunked?
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  I didn't read it being debunked.
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  So I'm no big fan of the media.
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  In the book, I talk about the connections between, you know, politicians, their staffs.
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  Many of them have left and then go on to become, you know, network stars.
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  George Stephanopoulos is a good example.
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  No journalism background whatsoever, and he's got one of the premier shows on the network.
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  You would think you'd find someone who had a background in journalism to do that show, and
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  you'd hope that that person's, background would be free of bias.
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  Like, you didn't work in the White House, for instance.
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  And it's not only him that I listed a lot of people that are involved like that.
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  Chuck Todd didn't even go to school for journalism, and he had a a great premier show
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  on NBC, but he worked for a staff or worked on some political campaigns.
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  When you do that, it's only natural.
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  I would do it too.
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  You end up slanting the news for your party, your people.
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  It's it's become that it's too hard to separate, and they really believe they're part
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  of the campaign now, that they're fighting the good fight.
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  Right.
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  They they aren't journalists.
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  They are media personalities.
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  Right?
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  They are, actors.
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  They are portrayers and who are reading from a script.
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  And I've spent enough time in local news stations to see the teleprompters and to know
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  how the game works.
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  And and that these people are not necessarily, investigative journalism is all but dead, I
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  would say, in this day and age, unless you're independent.
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  Right?
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  None of these major markets, they there are, you know, these major media players, The New
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  York Times or The Washington Post or any of these, you know, major conglomerate.
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  They have no interest any longer in investigative journalism.
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  They have a a financial obligation to their advertisers and to their business to just print
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  stuff that's gonna get people to read it.
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  And it's funny how we used to kinda laugh at tabloids.
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  Right?
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  In the nineties, the tabloids and the salacious headlines, and they were a joke.
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  And now that's kind of become all that journalism is.
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  Right?
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  And not to the real journalist, but on the forward facing front of it, is it's all just a
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  joke.
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  It's all salacious headlines.
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  It's all clickbait.
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  And there isn't really a whole lot of real news or journalism happening anymore.
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  At least that would be the appearance to a small town guy like me.
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  Yeah.
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  I I think you're you're right on.
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  That's that's a big part of the problem.
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  And I think the excuse that they've used over the years is, well, you have to be first.
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  They wanted to be first rather than right, and you would come out with a story.
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  And now it's kind of gone even further where it's your team and my team and, you know,
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  you'll you'll see certain places where all their sources are coming from one party or the
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  other, and they just buy into it.
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  They don't ask for any proof.
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  They don't, you know, they don't check it out.
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  There's a there's an old saying with journalism, and, you know, it's been used a
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  lot.
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  You know, if your mother tells you she loves you, you know, get a second opinion, check it
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  out.
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  That's the rough the rough translation of it.
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  There's more to it, but that's and, really, that's what they should be doing, though.
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  You can't you can't just take, you know, someone's word for it, and you can't say, okay.
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  We'll we'll print that because we wanna see you do well.
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  You know?
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  We've seen so many examples of it.
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  The Russian collusion, which now I would say is the Russian hoax, has, you know, brought that
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  out with Trump for sure, where you had not only first being reported, I believe it's the New
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  York Times or Washington Post.
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  One of them won a Pulitzer for it.
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  It's a fake story.
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  You won a and that's not the first time that the Pulitzer award has gone on a fake story.
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  There was one years ago about some kid that was a heroin addict at, like, 11 years old.
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  They did a whole piece on it.
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  It was all fake.
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  There was no heroin addict.
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  But that kind of diverts a little bit from this conversation.
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  So it's it's a long history of, you know, rewarding bad journalism where nobody questions
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  it.
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  And once you have
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  And it degrades the the prize.
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  Right?
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  I mean, a Pulitzer, if we know that you can just make up a fake story and and win this what
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  used to be a very prestigious award, right, that we have degraded all of these things that
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  we once held in a much higher regard.
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  And and it's very unfortunate because a lot of, you know, journalists work their whole lives
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  trying to, to attain that.
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  And now it it's been not just diluted, but completely denigrated to the point where I
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  don't I it it would almost be a a detriment to a real journalist's career to be awarded
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  something that has been tainted in this way.
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  Sure.
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  And I think the problem is when you when you see, you know, the public's response to
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  journalism and the numbers are they're they're disliked or trusted about as much as congress
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  is.
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  It's really a bad number, and that shouldn't be the case.
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  You should look at it you know, journalism, we should be able to trust what they're telling
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  us.
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  It shouldn't become what we made fun of, you know, when I was studying it, which was really,
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  oh, what's a problem to put now in the Soviet Union?
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  You know, they it was all slanted towards them.
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  There's no there's no real story there.
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  It's whatever the government has told you.
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  They've done that so many times now that people I know I do it.
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  I I read a story and it first, I'll check, like, who's saying this?
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  And then I'll say, that doesn't sound right.
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  And you start to look and see, is anyone else reporting it?
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  But that's not enough because The New York Times reports it, and it sounds outlandish, but
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  they report it, and they'll say they have a source.
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  Then the Washington Post reports that the New York Times is reporting, and they'll just use
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  that line.
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  It's like, wait a minute.
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  You can't just copy them and say they reported it.
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  Nobody checked it out.
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  So you end up with this constant everybody doing the same story.
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  They're all referring to a source nobody talked to.
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  And then a lot of times, it's an anonymous source, so it could be just made up.
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  And, know, or at least manufactured.
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  What we saw with the Russian collusion, it was manufactured if not made up, where they just
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  created this, you know, file, the dossier, and then all reported on it.
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  Well, that's not the way journalism's supposed to work.
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  And, unfortunately, that's why you get these low numbers where nobody trusts the story.
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  And people like me and maybe others will sit there and say, well, that's that doesn't sound
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  right.
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  Let me do my own research.
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  So I'm researching like I'm the journalist.
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  I've gotta find the truth somewhere in there.
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  Well, we don't have time to do that on every single story.
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  We all have our own lives, families, work, whatever, to be doing the work that they were
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  supposed to be doing in the first place.
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  And it's just completely devalued, those publications.
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  There that loss of trust, and I think they're seeing it now.
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  I think you're seeing a much different tone, especially out of the New York Times, over the
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  last year.
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  And, you know, for them, it seemed like as long as the advertising money was coming in, mostly
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  from big pharma, I I would assume.
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  And so, you know, so you have this whole this whole machine that is running on on one side of
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  the political aisle that is only pushing those ideas, and it happened to be some of the
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  largest publications in the world.
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  It it put us into really a a false world for the better part of a decade, really.
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  I mean, you can kind of I know we're gonna point to, you know, Trump coming down the
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  escalator as kind of that point because prior to that, he was a media darling.
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  They loved him, and I loved seeing the clips of him on The View and him with these lady.
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  And now you listen to how these people talk about him when the man never changed.
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  He didn't change.
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  They did.
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  And and it's so blatant to see that, and and I'm glad that we brought this over to this
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  network because we talk about it a lot.
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  We mostly focus on our local and state politics.
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  We've had a couple of our South Dakota state representatives on.
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  We've had our US congressional candidate James Bayoletta on with us to talk about these things
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  that we face at the local level because in South Dakota, there's really two major news
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  networks across the entire state, and the newspapers are all owned by the same company,
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  and the radio stations are all owned by the same.
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  It's very easy for them to create this feedback loop.
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  And with the lack of a lot of independent media, there's maybe our programming and and a
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  newspaper called the Dakota Scout that it spun off from the one of the major newspapers
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  because they were tired of not getting to report the truth.
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  Right?
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  They were they were tired of being told, no.
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  This is the company line that you're going to tow, and that's it.
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  And it's just it it needs to be, first of all, exposed, which I think, you know, books like
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  you've written now and some of these equating it to history.
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  This isn't the first time we've seen something like this.
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  So I'd love to take this opportunity to kinda get into, really what your book is about and
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  and and telling people that this isn't the first time that these major publications in The
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  United States that may have different names now, of course, but Mhmm.
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  This play is as old as our country.
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  It is.
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  And that's that's interesting.
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  When I started researching on the book and realized some of the things I didn't know, and
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  even though I studied journalism, I don't know if that's an indictment on my own ability to
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  educate myself or my school or, you know, just in general, maybe it's not something that was
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  really, taught in great detail.
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  But back in the days of Aaron Burr, there was something called the party press era where the
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  political parties or the members of the party, the the top guys, owned the newspapers.
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  And, obviously, you had democrat papers, republican papers.
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  And you didn't have the other media at that time.
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  You just had newspapers.
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  But, yes, they were very slanted, and they would do the same thing they're doing now.
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  So we've had a return to that time, with you just you know, how many people will tell you
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  they hate CNN or they hate Fox, and you can almost immediately say, well, I know which way
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  they vote.
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  You know?
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  Or or they'll just have different understandings of an event that happened, and
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  it was the same way then.
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  So, you know, Burr had to deal with that.
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  One of the guys who was his, I'd say, enemy is Alexander Hamilton.
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  They had the duel.
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  Hamilton started the, New York Post.
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  Happens to still be around, but there were many papers.
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  Hamilton had allies.
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  One of the guys that prosecuted Burr, Davies, had a paper out in Missouri.
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  So these papers were spread everywhere, and they were all funded by the political parties,
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  which is kind of fascinating because while we move to more supposed, capitalist ownership and
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  trying to make money, we still have that party, you know, influence on our media outlets.
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  I mean, Fox News really started, I think, because the other networks were slanted too far
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  to the left.
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  And Roger Ailes saw an avenue where you could get a lot of conservatives, and they do get a
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  lot to watch their shows.
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  And I think, you know, when you when you look at it that way, that's really not how
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  journalism's supposed to be, but we we see it again now with a lot of podcasts have popped up
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  over the last five, ten years.
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  We've seen, you know, x.
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  Well, it used to be Twitter.
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  You know, as, Elon said, we are the we are the news.
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  In some ways, that's true.
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  A lot of people get their news now on social media, and a lot of it is being broken on
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  there.
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  Now you're you're also running in the problem of you know, on your feed, you might see
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  somebody who's just spreading total lies, but that's not any different than what you do if
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  you pick up one of the major newspapers And you read it, I'll you know, I get the tribune the
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  Chicago Tribune delivered to my house, and I'll start reading the story.
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  I'm like, where did they come up with this?
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  It's the opinion of the writer is in there, and this is supposed to be a hard news story.
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  And you might not get to the real facts until page, you know, six where you turn it over.
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  And that's a problem if you're a reader, but it's not something totally new.
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  You know, they they had the party press there.
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  They got to the point where it was a little better.
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  Journalism, I think, had improved.
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  Maybe the the best time for journalists was, you know, around Watergate where you actually
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  had them breaking news stories.
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  And when you look at, you know, a show that's still on sixty minutes, those that are old
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  enough to remember it when it started would say that was a a hard hitting news show.
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  They had a lot of news stories and investigations and so forth.
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  I you know, now it's hard to watch it.
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  It's it's very biased.
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  And it's all hard to watch.
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  I I think no matter which side of the political eye, I don't tune I don't have cable.
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  I don't get any of my news from there.
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  I would rather watch a podcast podcast like Tim Pool where at least I'm being read the story.
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  This is the source.
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  This is what we're doing.
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  And then we're telling you that we're giving your opinion our opinions about it.
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  And then he always makes sure to have a a differing of opinion on there on a panel of
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  five people.
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  I I would say that the show is kinda modeled almost around what Bill Maher show used to be.
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  Right?
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  They're a little more conservative leaning in their views.
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  I would say, you know, Tim Pool is probably more of a libertarian than anything, But you go
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  and look at what they say about him on left media, and he's a far right extremist.
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  Right?
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  And you're like, no.
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  I listen to the man every day, and he has a lot of what you would term left wing views on
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  social issues and some things like that.
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  But you you've swung the pendulum.
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  And there's only so many times you can call someone a racist and a bigot.
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  And and I think that that that play is kinda worn out.
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  It's not working anymore.
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  The cancel culture isn't working anymore.
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  And now, unfortunately, it seems like the left, the far left extremists are just going to to
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  turn to violence.
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  And we've seen an increase in that over the last several you know, the last month has been
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  unreal with the assassination of Charlie Kirk, with attacks on ice facilities around the, you
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  know, around the country.
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  And to the point where now we have National Guard that are being sent out in these cities
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  to defend people that are trying to do their job to get these tens of millions of illegal
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  aliens that were let in under a previous administration out of our country.
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  I I I think that it all it all has to start from there.
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  And the way that it's all being spun in the media and how it is and and emboldening
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  regular, you know, citizens to go out and to commit acts as atrocious as murder is just
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  beyond me, and it is all fueled and driven by a a media and by news news publications that
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  aren't reporting on the news whatsoever.
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  No.
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  I I agree, and I do think, you know, it's terrible.
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  Obviously, the Charlie Kirk assassination really hit home for a lot of a lot of viewers,
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  a lot of people out there because, you know, we see it on video for one thing.
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  You know, he he's famous for doing these college campus tours, and everything you're
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  doing is being videoed by your own people, but also other people have their phones up thinking
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  they're gonna get him to say something good or bad.
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  And, it it's terrible when you see it, and then you start realizing why this, man and I'm not
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  gonna call him a kid because to me, that's the cop out when someone's, you know, over 20
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  actually, over 18.
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  But when you're 22, you should know better.
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  Sorry.
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  You don't go around shooting people.
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  Do you you know, because you're upset with what they said.
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  It really is an attack on freedom of speech in its worst form.
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  It's bad enough that you see other attempts, Donald Trump twice, you know, the idea that
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  they're going after some of the Supreme Court justices.
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  And it's just it it's the worst type of, assassination attempts.
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  You really you're trying to stifle the opposition, instead of not that there's a great
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  assassination attempt, and all these people have some mental illness problem one way or the
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  other.
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  But, you know, to try to shut down free speech, it I often it doesn't work anyhow.
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  I mean, I don't understand how they think taking a gun and shooting Charlie Kirk is gonna
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  stop people from talking about the issues that were important to him.
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  No other Well,
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  it's terrorism.
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  It's it is an act of terrorism because you are trying to silence the masses by making it very
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  evident that we will kill anyone who is going to speak up and to and and what was the such a
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  shame about Charlie.
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  And I hope that his death, his murder on national television and, you know, the
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  reverberations of that are that more people want to have real conversations because that's
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  all he was doing.
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  And for people that get out and to call him all the racist and the bigot and and all these
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  things I've heard is, like, you've never watched any of his clips from these college
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  campuses.
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  You've never actually listened to the man at all.
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  You're just parroting some narrative or you saw a clip taken out of context, and you saw that
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  one thing.
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  The man put on tens of thousands of hours of content, of which I have not consumed even a
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  small fraction of it, but enough to know that he was not who the left media was trying to
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  say.
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  And the fact that people went out not just celebrated his death, but then rail against
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  their own rights to free speech with the Jimmy Kimmel fallout.
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  Nobody stopped Jimmy Kimmel from going out and saying what he did, but there are repercussions
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  to those actions as well.
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  Your free speech is not being limited.
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  You had the freedom to go say what you wanted to say.
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  You said it.
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  Now you have repercussions of those actions.
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  That is much different than someone telling you that you cannot say something or that you're
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  not allowed to do that.
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  And I think there's a huge disparity between, you know, what is free speech and what they're
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  terming as First Amendment right violations.
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  Right.
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  And I think, you know, obviously, when you when you kill Charlie Kirk, you're shutting down his
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  First Amendment rights to speak.
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  And, you know, the rest of us, I have seen quite a few of his, videos.
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  And the reason, you know, I I have a Samsung TV, and there's a network in which his podcast
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  plays.
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  So recently, you know, probably three weeks before he was killed, I had seen a lot of
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  those.
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  Also with x, a lot of them play, and, you know, it's it is exactly what you said.
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  People will take either snippets or more likely they repeat what they've heard because they're
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  they're too lazy to look it up.
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  I spoke before about having to look up your you know, when you see something, gee, is that
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  right?
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  Let me look it up.
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  Because Kirk has been called a homophobe, a racist, transphobe.
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  I I looked and saw on each of those issues, what he actually said, and they were not, you
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  know, indicative of how these people are calling him a racist or a homophobe.
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  I actually, he actually defended.
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  There was a guy in one of those, college campus meetings where, guy stood up and was railing
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  about gay people being within the conservative movement.
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  And Kirk really just shut him down and and said things were like, do you wanna keep Guy Benson
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  out of the conservative movement?
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  Because he's gay.
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  Do you want and this guy in the audience says, yes.
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  And Kirk said, then you're not you're not a conservative.
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  You're not a republican.
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  That's not the party.
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  And he said, get out of here.
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  You know, he just pointed towards the door as if he was Ralph Cramden or something.
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  But it it was a good video.
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  It showed in his heart he's not a homophobe.
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  Now he did explain he's a Christian.
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  He doesn't believe you should do that, but he doesn't think that those people shouldn't be
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  allowed to be part of a political party or express their views.
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  And, I think the the guy asking the question might have been the homophobe, but, he
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  certainly wasn't.
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  Same thing with those other issues.
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  He he wasn't racist.
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  And if you look at it, it's unfortunate that people are able to spread those kind of lies.
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  I guess they did it when he was alive, and they're doing it when he when he died also.
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  But it's up to everybody else to set the record straight.
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  And I think part of that is why I wrote this book, you know, to set the record straight.
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  It's often that, you know, you you see, newspapers, and I do have a quote in the in the
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  book about how newspapers are the first recording of history.
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  It's a quote that Philip Graham, who used to be the publisher of the Washington Post said.
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  And it's it's true.
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  But then after that, history has to be written.
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  And if you sit there and allow the other the other side, I'm doing it now too, you know, if
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  you allow other people to decide what's true, you end up with a large group of future
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  populations thinking that Donald Trump was controlled by, you know, the Russians, that he
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  was a Russian asset.
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  There are people that still think that even though all the evidence shows that's not the
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  case beyond the four years, you know, as president where you saw nothing like that.
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  We now have evidence that it was all a hoax.
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  It was all made up by the Clinton campaign and the Obama administration.
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  And it's sad, though, that the news media on all sides should be broadcasting that
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  everywhere, and they've kinda covered it up in some cases.
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  Well and and I've heard people talk about it that, you know, there's there's a reason that
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  they they do this, and it's not for the people that are here now.
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  It's so that ten, twenty years down the line, they can point back at all of these articles
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  and all of these these archives that they've created of that and to go, oh, no.
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  Look.
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  He was this person when everybody who knows better is dead and gone.
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  And you're using it to brainwash a future generation.
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  And it's why books like yours and more, more archives that tell the truth are so important.
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  In many ways, podcasts have become an archive.
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  And I think a lot of people who maybe believed what the left said that had the willingness to
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  challenge that idea and to go and to actually watch Charlie and Charlie's own words realized
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  and and for the first time maybe had their eyes opened up to what to what the propaganda
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  machine on the left side of the media is because everything that Charlie said is on
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  tape.
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  It's out there.
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  You can't take snippets of everything.
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  And if you're willing to go explore, then you're going to discover the truth.
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  And I think that's why podcasts are so important.
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  And I know now, I I think even more so how important they are because they are our own
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  archive of the truth as it was and without the spin and without the inclinations of a few
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  advertisers or, you know, whatever it may be that drives that business and keeps these
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  publications afloat.
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  Well, that's exactly true.
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  And I think, you know, we touch upon that in the book on how the media has changed.
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  And I think that's the the pushback that we're seeing now with the podcast and other things.
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  With the with the book, you look at it you know, Aaron Burr is a good example of how
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  history has done him wrong, basically.
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  And there's a few people I mean, I I started this book researching it because a friend of
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  mine wrote a book just about Aaron Burr.
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  And this friend happens to be a Democrat party consultant.
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  He's run congressional races.
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  Right guy.
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  We disagree on some political issues, but he he asked me to read it.
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  I did.
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  And a few weeks later, he came back to the office and said, what do you think?
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  And I said, well, I think I didn't know all this about Aaron Burr, but more importantly, I
• 31:30
  think you missed the story, how they treated Burr is how they've treated Trump.
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  Now he didn't buy into that.
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  He he looked at me like I had two heads or something.
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  It is that divide between democrat and republican.
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  And, you know, I said, well, if you're not gonna correct it, then I'm going to correct it
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  because someone has to tell the real story.
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  I do believe Aaron Burr is known more you know, besides the he shot and killed Alexander
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  Hamilton in a duel that Hamilton challenged him to.
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  You know, there's the the burr conspiracy, which if anybody knows, it you know, we break
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  it down in in the book on how it really had no legs.
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  It was, you know, charges against him on treason that he actually won in court twice.
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  But for a long time, a lot of people think Aaron Burr was a traitor.
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  He wasn't.
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  He served in the military.
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  He was a vice president.
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  He was a patriot.
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  But the story they tell makes him out to be the bad guy, and, you know, it has to be told
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  differently.
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  And the same thing for Donald Trump.
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  If we if we go on sixty years or a hundred years, people look and go, well, Donald Trump
• 32:43
  was the guy that was controlled by the Russians, and they fixed the election.
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  All these things that we think have been debunked, at least at real time, will carry on
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  for future generations.
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  So that's part of why we need, you know, stuff recorded.
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  We need stuff in books, where the real story is told because that that is history.
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  Incredible stuff, Dennis.
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  Where can people find the book now?
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  I'll have you plug the name and everything for us, and I I wanna thank you for your time
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  today.
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  It's been a great conversation.
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  Well, thank you.
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  The the book is called DC Swamp Strikes Back.
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  Aaron Burr, Donald Trump, and their Similar Battles.
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  This is how it looks.
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  And, it is available on my my website, which is authordennisbrennan.com.
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  It's also available in 50 other locations.
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  I don't know all of them, but I do know Barnes and Noble is one, and Amazon is another one.
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  You can get it in hard, cover paperback.
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  There's an eversion or Kindle.
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  So there's many ways to get it.
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  But the easy way is author dennisbrennan.com, and it's, on sale now.
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  Fantastic.
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  Well, Dennis, I I appreciate you taking the time to write the book, and I appreciate you
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  taking a little time for us today to come on the show as well, sir.
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  Thank you for being part of the scene.
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  Well, thanks for having me.
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  I appreciate it.