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"MONSTER-IN-LAW" DONNA ADELSON LIES TIL BITTER END, LEARNS HER FATE IN COURT FOR MASTERMINDING SON-IN-LAW'S MURDER · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the mother in law from Hell.
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  Speaker 1: The real life monster in law, Donna Adelson learns her
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  Speaker 1: fate in court for masterminding her son in law's murder,
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  Speaker 1: still insisting quote, I'm an innocent woman.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 3: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 3: being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Monster in law Donna Adelson learns her fate in court
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  Speaker 1: for the murder for hire shooting death of her son
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  Speaker 1: in law, esteemed law professor Daniel Marcel. As you recall
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  Speaker 1: the Florida grandma found guilty of murder just weeks ago.
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  Speaker 1: As she was sentenced in court, Adelson insists she's innocent.
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  Speaker 1: Quote I swear to you on my life, I was
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  Speaker 1: not involved in any way with Danny's murder.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, Just.
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  Speaker 1: Shut your pie hole, because the evidence pruse you were
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  Speaker 1: very much involved, in fact that you masterminded it.
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  Speaker 4: And I have.
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  Speaker 3: Spoken to Agar who agrees.
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  Speaker 1: Donna Adelson, the matriarch of an extremely wealthy Florida family,
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  Speaker 1: gets a sentence of life behind bars.
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  Speaker 3: She deserves that and so much more. And this is why.
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  Speaker 2: Let me just start with our friends at crime Online.
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  Speaker 5: Donna Adelson, the mother of recently convicted murderer Charlie Adelson
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  Speaker 5: is caught by police trying to board a plane leaving
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  Speaker 5: Miami and heading to Vietnam. Her husband, Harvey is with
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  Speaker 5: her as police take her into custody, the latest person
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  Speaker 5: to be arrested in the murder for higher plot killing
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  Speaker 5: of Nan Markel. In charging documents and a warrant request,
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  Speaker 5: prosecutors noted that on recorded Jaill phone calls, Adelson discussed
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  Speaker 5: killing herself and leaving the country. Following Charlie Adelson's conviction,
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  Speaker 5: he is facing a mandatory life sentence. Three other people
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  Speaker 5: have also been convicted in Markel's murder. Donna and Harvey
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  Speaker 5: Adelson had one way tickets purchased for Vietnam. Vietnam has
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  Speaker 5: no extradition agreement with the United States.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand this with me an all star
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  Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we know right now.
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  Speaker 1: But first too, Joel Waldman joining us out of this
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  Speaker 1: jurisdiction in Florida host dom surviving the survivor. Joel the
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  Speaker 1: mother in law. First of all, who's Charlie Adelson. Charlie
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  Speaker 1: Adelson is the brother in law, and he's not just.
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  Speaker 2: The brother in law.
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  Speaker 1: He's apparently a very well respected periodontist.
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  Speaker 2: This is the brother.
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  Speaker 1: In law of the dead husband, the dad, Dan Markill,
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  Speaker 1: the law professor. So I want to first start with
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  Speaker 1: the mother in law trying to flee the jurisdiction to Vietnam.
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  Speaker 1: But this is just after her son is convicted in
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  Speaker 1: the murder.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just start.
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  Speaker 1: Why is the mother in law at the airport with
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  Speaker 1: her husband, Harvey, with a one way ticket to Vietnam.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me how that whole thing went down.
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  Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, in a word, she didn't want to be arrested,
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  Speaker 6: and she knew that it was coming. What a lot
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  Speaker 6: of people don't know is that this happened over nine
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  Speaker 6: years ago, so they've been waiting for justice all these years.
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  Speaker 6: The two convicted hitmen are in prison, as is the
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  Speaker 6: middle woman. But just to get back to your original
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  Speaker 6: question about Donna Aedelson, it was on a Monday that
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  Speaker 6: Charles Adelsin, the ex brother in law, was convicted, and
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  Speaker 6: then exactly a week to the day, Donna Adelsin is
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  Speaker 6: arrested at Miami International Airport. And what we've found out
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  Speaker 6: since then is almost immediately after Charlie's conviction, Donna and
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  Speaker 6: her son Charlie were on the phone for thirty five
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  Speaker 6: hours that week.
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  Speaker 1: Good Lord in Heaven, thirty five hours in one week.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, you're hearing Joel Waldman.
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  Speaker 1: He is a host of an incredible podcast, Surviving the Survivor.
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  Speaker 2: Joel, don't lose any of those thoughts. Dave Ehrenberg is
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  Speaker 2: joining us. PAULM.
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  Speaker 1: Beach County state attorney and friend of Dan Markel also
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  Speaker 1: with me. Tamara Dimco, I've got this. She is a
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  Speaker 1: doctor a jd.
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  Speaker 2: An Rn. She went to Harvard Law School.
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  Speaker 1: But aside from all of her ag in her achievements,
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  Speaker 1: she's a close friend of the murder victim, Dan Markel.
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  Speaker 1: And again this case is like my head is spinning
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  Speaker 1: around with all the ins and outs of this case.
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  Speaker 1: But to break it down, this law professor Dan Markel, young, attractive,
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  Speaker 1: devoted father. He goes out of town, he comes back,
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  Speaker 1: half the furniture is gone, and the children are gone,
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  Speaker 1: and he can't find the children. That starts a very
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  Speaker 1: acrimonious divorce with Wendy Adel's son. Okay, it's her mother
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  Speaker 1: that just got nabbed on a one way taken to Vietnam,
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  Speaker 1: dragging along the father. What did he know Harvey? Is
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  Speaker 1: he just along for the writer? Do he know anything?
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  Speaker 1: Long story short, David Ehrenberg, before I go to tamaraw Dave,
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  Speaker 1: I heard you say something that I researched intensely. You
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  Speaker 1: were describing Wendy's brother, the brother in law now convicted
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  Speaker 1: and murder and you referred to him as the Maestro.
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  Speaker 1: And you mentioned he drives around town in his Ferrari
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  Speaker 1: and his name tag. I mean the license plate actually
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  Speaker 1: says the Maestro.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, he is someone who's very self assured.
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  Speaker 2: That's one way to put it right.
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  Speaker 7: It was a book by Bob Woodard years ago about
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  Speaker 7: the Maestro I think it was Alan Greenspan and how
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  Speaker 7: he controlled the world's economy. This is how he sees
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  Speaker 7: himself in that same vein that he controls things. So,
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  Speaker 7: you know, that's a pretty interesting piece of evidence to
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  Speaker 7: show that this guy self assured, to use the euphemism,
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  Speaker 7: is the kind of guy who would help plan a
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  Speaker 7: murder and think he could get away with it.
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  Speaker 1: Is he just as smarter than everybody in the room.
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  Speaker 1: What they can't read? That sign at the jail says
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  Speaker 1: this is being recorded.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, exactly.
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  Speaker 7: You know he was so cocksure himself throughout the trial,
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  Speaker 7: the fact that he took the stand and spun this
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  Speaker 7: preposterous lie that he was the victim of extortion, which
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  Speaker 7: made no sense, and he believed he had won over
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  Speaker 7: at least one member of the jury, and so he
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  Speaker 7: was shocked. Used to see the face when he walked
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  Speaker 7: in after a short deliberation, because he knew his goose
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  Speaker 7: was cooked, and.
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  Speaker 1: He just put his head down, like, I can't believe
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  Speaker 1: somebody has finally called me on my shiit. He finally
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  Speaker 1: finally had to answer up that he arrased the hit.
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  Speaker 8: No one want to see address of your emergency application. Okay, come,
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  Speaker 8: exactly what happened?
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  Speaker 4: We heard it looked in the garage goal was up,
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  Speaker 4: and I thought the gentleman was backing out, and I
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  Speaker 4: went back to my house, but he never backed out.
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  Speaker 4: And I came back over and his wind his driver's side.
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  Speaker 4: The window is shattered, and he's moving his head around,
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  Speaker 4: but he's not responding. I've called his name. I asked
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  Speaker 4: what's going on? And I call his name, asking what's happening.
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  Speaker 4: He's not responding to that, but his head's kind of
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  Speaker 4: rolling around.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, is he conscious? Well?
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  Speaker 4: I can't tell.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, is he breathing.
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  Speaker 4: I can't tell that. I'm assuming he's breathing, if he's
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  Speaker 4: moving his head around.
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  Speaker 8: Did you ever hear him talk or anything? No, okay,
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  Speaker 8: he said, he's sitting in the car right correct, the
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  Speaker 8: driver's seat.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my stars.
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  Speaker 1: When I hear about the execution style hit on a
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  Speaker 1: loving dad of two little boys, a loving dad devoted
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  Speaker 1: to his children.
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  Speaker 2: When I hear that, it just pounds it in. He
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  Speaker 2: was alive.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't get shot and just die instantly. He was
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  Speaker 1: still trying to speak. He was still moving his head around.
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  Speaker 1: Professor Dan Markel, I had heard of him as being
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  Speaker 1: a renowned law professor, just crackling with legal intelligence, totally
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  Speaker 1: devoted to his family. Hearing that nine one one call
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  Speaker 1: and realizing that he's moving his head around trying to
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  Speaker 1: speak to a neighbor is excruciating. I've thought it through myself.
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  Speaker 1: Did the victim die immediately? Did they know what was
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  Speaker 1: happening to them? What were their last moments on earth?
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  Speaker 1: Was he thinking about his children? Will I ever see
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  Speaker 1: them again? Am I going to live or die?
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  Speaker 2: Let's listen to more of that nine to one one call.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to hear it, just like the jury.
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  Speaker 8: So you're saying his head is bloody, now, yes, some bloody.
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  Speaker 4: I mean the window shattered. I don't know if he's
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  Speaker 4: tried to shoot himself. I don't know what the situation is.
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  Speaker 8: It's the driver's side window, correct, that's correct.
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  Speaker 4: He's still moving around, So who's alive?
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  Speaker 8: Okay, looks like I should have an austar coming up
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  Speaker 8: the roadway. Okay, well we need the EMP. Well, the
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  Speaker 8: officer's going to be there first. They're not going to
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  Speaker 8: come until we figure out what's going on, but they're
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  Speaker 8: on the way as well.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, you'd better be if this guy's got a shot.
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  Speaker 2: The state alleges she masterminded.
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  Speaker 1: A paid hit on her own son in law, Howe
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  Speaker 1: and the hey did a mild mannered law professor end
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  Speaker 1: up dead execution style in.
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  Speaker 2: His own garage, in his own car.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's pulling in home to see his children
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  Speaker 1: and his wife, and bam, he shot dead.
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  Speaker 9: Listen to this and Markell comes home to find the
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  Speaker 9: house empty, his wife and two boys gone, and divorce
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  Speaker 9: papers left on a bed. Dan Markel describes the day
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  Speaker 9: as his pearl Harbor without warning life as he knew
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  Speaker 9: it was gone for six weeks. Dan Markell says he
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  Speaker 9: doesn't know where his children are much less as seemed
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  Speaker 9: to be. Ex wife Markel claims Atle's and is getting
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  Speaker 9: help from mother Donna Adelson and brother Charles Adolson, keeping
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  Speaker 9: her location secret. Their divorce order is for them to
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  Speaker 9: share joint custody of the children.
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  Speaker 1: My stars, the whole family is in on keeping the children,
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  Speaker 1: the two little boys, away from daddy. Let me tell
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  Speaker 1: you something, Dave Mack joining me along with Gigi McKelvey.
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  Speaker 1: First of you, Dave Mac, Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave
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  Speaker 1: mac There.
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  Speaker 2: Was never an allegation.
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  Speaker 1: That Professor Markel beat the children, abuse the children, star
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  Speaker 1: of the children. In fact, if anything, he ejulged them.
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  Speaker 1: He petted them too much. They were his mini mees.
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  Speaker 1: He adored them. So the whole family gets in league
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  Speaker 1: with the wife, Wendy Aidolson to hide the children from
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  Speaker 1: the dad.
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  Speaker 10: What it is so shocking, Nancy that okay, marriage is
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  Speaker 10: at that point where Wendy wants out. Now, you've got
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  Speaker 10: to remember that Wendy Adelson's family is all in South Florida,
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  Speaker 10: and that's where she wants to go.
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  Speaker 7: With her children.
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  Speaker 10: We're talking an eight hour difference between where the where
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  Speaker 10: the Markel's live in the northern part of Florida and
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  Speaker 10: where the Adolson family lives in southern Florida rather, and
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  Speaker 10: when Wendy doesn't get that approval to move with that's it.
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  Speaker 10: That's where everything begins.
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  Speaker 7: Nancy.
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  Speaker 10: They actually, and I say they, the Adolson family. You
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  Speaker 10: mentioned Dan Markel comes home to an empty house, right, Well,
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  Speaker 10: he had gone to a convention and he was like
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  Speaker 10: the keynote speaker at this big event. They made sure
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  Speaker 10: that he got the message that Wendy wanted a divorce
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  Speaker 10: right before he went on stage.
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  Speaker 7: They played it out.
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  Speaker 10: Perfectly, and there was some crowd of damaging him like that.
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  Speaker 10: It was amazing what they did to this man.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my stars, you know, hold on, Gigi. Let me
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  Speaker 1: go to Eric Fattus really quickly. Guys, Eric Fattus, veteran
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  Speaker 1: trial lawyer or TV legal analyst, founding partner Varner Fattest,
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  Speaker 1: elite legal, former felony prosecutor.
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  Speaker 2: That's important, now, Defense.
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  Speaker 1: Attorney Eric, when you are about to go to trial,
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  Speaker 1: strike a jury, give a legal presentation in front of
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of lawyers who are going to be as firing
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  Speaker 1: legal questions at you. You got to be sharp. It's
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  Speaker 1: like a Wimbledon tennis match. You can't miss a thing.
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  Speaker 1: I remember thinking in court, I'd be watching the witness
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  Speaker 1: and watching the jury.
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  Speaker 2: Watch the witness, watch the jury as questioning.
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  Speaker 1: We take place like a tennis match, because if you
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  Speaker 1: miss one word, one sentence, legal term, you're screwed.
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  Speaker 2: Anything could go wrong.
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  Speaker 1: And so right before he takes the stage in front
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  Speaker 1: of hundreds of lawyers, that's when he gets hit the knees.
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  Speaker 1: Your wife wants a divorce and he comes home, the
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  Speaker 1: house is picked clean and screw the furniture. The children
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  Speaker 1: are gone. Oh I can't even imagine that. Faddest you
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  Speaker 1: come home and your children are gone. That is what
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  Speaker 1: happened to him.
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  Speaker 11: Oh goes. I mean that is going to shake anybody have,
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  Speaker 11: let alone someone who is preparing for a big professional presentation.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to be on your game.
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  Speaker 11: You've got to be listening. There are details you've got
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  Speaker 11: to take in. You got to make sure you don't
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  Speaker 11: miss anything. This is a high stakes presentation for him,
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  Speaker 11: and they did this in a calculated fashion, intentionally to
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  Speaker 11: shake him up as much as they could, and really,
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  Speaker 11: you know, his life is crashing in upon him immediately
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  Speaker 11: before he's about to give this kind of speech. I mean,
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  Speaker 11: clearly problematic and shows some malice on their part.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to tell you something, Fattest. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know about you, but when I would go into try case, I.
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  Speaker 1: Would wait until everyone was ready, and I had a
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  Speaker 1: reason for that, the jury. I wouldn't come in after
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  Speaker 1: the jury, that's rude, but I would wait till the
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  Speaker 1: defense was in place, the defendant be it from jail around,
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  Speaker 1: bond was in place, everybody was seated. Why then I'd
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  Speaker 1: go in because I did not want them speaking to
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  Speaker 1: me and throwing off my concentration.
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  Speaker 2: Before I went and waited for.
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  Speaker 1: The jury comeing in, I didn't want to think about
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  Speaker 1: anything at all other than what.
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  Speaker 2: I was about to do.
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  Speaker 1: Tunnel vision has to be that way, and I can
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  Speaker 1: just imagine him going to take the podium and going, hey,
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  Speaker 1: here's the divorce papers. Anyway, back to what happened to
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  Speaker 1: Gigi McKelvey, investigative journalist, host of podcasts A hit podcast,
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  Speaker 1: Pretty Lies and Alibis gg I want to get back
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  Speaker 1: not from the speech that got totally ambushed. I want
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  Speaker 1: to get to the day he was murdered. So he's
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  Speaker 1: coming home and what he drives in does the garage,
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  Speaker 1: and the garage goes up and he goes into the garage.
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  Speaker 2: What happened then, Gigi.
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  Speaker 12: Well, we know that Dan was on the phone with
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  Speaker 12: a special school that Wendy wanted to enroll their oldest son,
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  Speaker 12: and so he was actively talking to somebody as this happened.
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  Speaker 12: He told the person on the phone, there's someone unfamiliar
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  Speaker 12: to me in my driveway and he needed to see
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  Speaker 12: who that was. The person on the other end heard
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  Speaker 12: maybe a struggle, heard some loud noises and was asking
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  Speaker 12: you okay, and he could hear groans, and so he
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  Speaker 12: tried to call in text and no response.
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  Speaker 13: Obviously, so Gg McKelvey, isn't it true that the killer
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  Speaker 13: apparently followed Markel into or right behind him, basically trapping
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  Speaker 13: him in the garage.
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  Speaker 12: That's correct, pulled up to where he would not have
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  Speaker 12: been able to back out or move in any way
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  Speaker 12: or get out of his car without being faced face
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  Speaker 12: with somebody who was going to kill him.
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  Speaker 1: Ron Bateman joining me, former sheriff in Arundel County, Maryland,
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  Speaker 1: Former homicide undercover, an narcotics detective and author of a
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  Speaker 1: crime trilogy, Silent Blue Tears.
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  Speaker 2: Ron. This is a hit. There's no two ways about it.
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  Speaker 1: There's no sex attack, nothing is stolen, there's not a
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  Speaker 1: carjack nothing. They come up, bam right in the head
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  Speaker 1: and leave.
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  Speaker 2: That's a hit. That's an execution.
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  Speaker 14: Freema, sure with malice. The forefought absolutely first degree murder
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  Speaker 14: one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 1: Now another thing, Dave Mack joining me Crime Stories, investigative reporter.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it true that just before he was murdered, Professor
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  Speaker 1: Markel was.
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  Speaker 2: On the phone with the wife.
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  Speaker 1: Again basically the only person left standing that hasn't been
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  Speaker 1: formally accused of murder. They have been talking that whole morning,
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  Speaker 1: and Markel had left her a voicemail about wanting to
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  Speaker 1: talk about the boys, and she texted him his plans
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  Speaker 1: won't work. Then they argued about when Wendy could get
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  Speaker 1: the children. She was saying he could keep them a
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  Speaker 1: little bit longer and then he's dead. Isn't that the
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  Speaker 1: scenario they're arguing about the children that morning?
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  Speaker 10: It was a constant discussion between Dan Markel and Wendy
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  Speaker 10: about the children and about when Dan would have time
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  Speaker 10: with them, when he would see them, where he would
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  Speaker 10: see them was a big part of this.
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  Speaker 7: Geography really plays into this entire case.
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  Speaker 10: But yes, Nancy, she kept him on the phone and
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  Speaker 10: distracted all morning.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, guys again, Wendy Adelson has not been charged and
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  Speaker 2: has not.
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  Speaker 1: Been named as a person of interest in her ex
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  Speaker 1: husband's murder.
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  Speaker 2: She is a lawyer, a very good lawyer. She has
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  Speaker 2: not been named a POI or suspect. Okay, what more
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  Speaker 2: do we know? Listen.
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  Speaker 9: After the court prevents Wendy Aedelson from moving to South
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  Speaker 9: Florida with the children, Adelson's mother, Donna, suggests the family
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  Speaker 9: offer Markel one million dollars to allow the children to
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  Speaker 9: relocate to South Florida. Donna and husband Harvey will contribute
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  Speaker 9: a third. Charlie Aedelson, Wendy's brother, will contribute a third.
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  Speaker 9: Wendy will pay a third. Donna Adelson also suggests telling
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  Speaker 9: Markel that Wendy Aedelson is going to have the boys
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  Speaker 9: converted to Catholicism, knowing Markell and his family are strict
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  Speaker 9: a Jewish faith. Donna Adelson believes the mere thought of
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  Speaker 9: his children being raised Catholic would convince him to let
• 19:45
  Speaker 9: the boys move to Miami.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Man talk about down in dirty to doctor Sherry Schwartz
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: joining us out of this jurisdiction. I might add forensic
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: psychologists specializing in capital mitigation and victim advocacy.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: She has written multiple books.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: The one I Like the Best Criminal Behavior and the
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: other one where law and psychology intersect. Doctor Sherry, Thank
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: you for being with us, Doctor Sherry number one. They
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: try to bribe Markell the mother he's on trial right
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: now for having her son executed. The mother in law
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: literally from the gates of Hell, of course.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, don't.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Be fooled by that, right there. We'll just wait till
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: you hear what we found on those wiretaps. She's presumed
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: innocent until proven guilty. Doctor Sherry number one trying to
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: bribe Markel, offering him a million dollars a cool meal
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: if he would let the boys relocate from Tallahassee hours
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: away to Miami.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: He's like, hell, no, I want to be with my children.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: I don't even want this divorce.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Then, after the bribe didn't work, she allegedly decides to
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: torture him by telling him he is a devout and
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: strict Jew they're going to tell him that they are
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: having the boys baptized and converted to Catholicism.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Don't you know?
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: He did a backflip.
• 21:23
  Speaker 15: Generally speaking, when you're talking about this level of cruelty
• 21:27
  Speaker 15: where it's very similar to characteristics that we see in
• 21:30
  Speaker 15: narcissistic parents, it's all about power, manipulation and control, and
• 21:36
  Speaker 15: when the person, the target in this case, mister Marcall,
• 21:39
  Speaker 15: doesn't go along with what the narcissist wants, there's a
• 21:43
  Speaker 15: state of narcissistic rage where they will engage in acts
• 21:46
  Speaker 15: of extreme cruelty, such as not just bribery, but threatening
• 21:50
  Speaker 15: that they're going to convert the children to a different religion.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crownsey is joining me, Chief Medical Examiner Terran County,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: that's Fort Worth. He is the esteemed lecturer at the
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Burnett School of Medicine, that is at TCU, and he
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: is a star of a brand new hit podcast, Mayhem
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: in the Morgue. Doctor Kendall Crowns, I want you to
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: hear the trajectory path of.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: The bullet that tore through Dan Markell's face. Listen.
• 22:24
  Speaker 9: The Florida criminal law professor was pulling into his driveway
• 22:27
  Speaker 9: and on his cell phone when he was fatally shot.
• 22:30
  Speaker 9: The killer was waiting for Markel outside his home in
• 22:32
  Speaker 9: Tallahassee's Beenten Hills section, then followed Markel into the garage.
• 22:36
  Speaker 9: When he opened it, Markell was shot in the side
• 22:39
  Speaker 9: of the head through the window of his car. The
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: bullet entered just beneath Markell's jawline.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, I'm having my hot tea, but I
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: think I need something a little stronger than that. Did
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: you hear what was just said that the bullet entered
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: just beneath.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Markel's jaw line.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Now let's think this through.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: So he's driving on the left side of his vehicle,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: so it would have been the left jawline just below
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: it and rips through his face and neck.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: And he lived. He lived.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: He was trying to talk, say something to the neighbor,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: and his head was moving around. What happened? And how
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: long could he have endured that before he died?
• 23:25
  Speaker 16: So the gunshown wound of entrance going under his left
• 23:28
  Speaker 16: jawline would be you'd have in this area of your
• 23:32
  Speaker 16: neck the crowded artery, the jugular vein. But if it's
• 23:36
  Speaker 16: a little interior it may miss those then continue through
• 23:39
  Speaker 16: into the mid section of his neck, which would hit
• 23:42
  Speaker 16: his trachea, his thyroid, and then continue out the right
• 23:46
  Speaker 16: side of his neck again possibly hitting the jugular and crowded.
• 23:50
  Speaker 16: If those two vessels are hit, he's going to survive
• 23:52
  Speaker 16: for minutes. If those two vessels are not hit, he's
• 23:56
  Speaker 16: going to sit there inhaling blood through his damaged trachia,
• 24:00
  Speaker 16: unable to speak because the area could involve his vocal cords,
• 24:05
  Speaker 16: and then sucking in blood and he could survive for
• 24:08
  Speaker 16: quite a while with that injury. But if it hits
• 24:13
  Speaker 16: the major vessels, he's going to go.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, what did you say about sucking in blood.
• 24:18
  Speaker 16: So if he hits if it hits the trachea area,
• 24:21
  Speaker 16: it'll it'll cause blood to go into the airway or
• 24:24
  Speaker 16: mainstam broncus and you'll be sucking in that blood, kind
• 24:28
  Speaker 16: of gasping in the blood. Not able to talk, but
• 24:31
  Speaker 16: just making a noise because your vocal cords are damage,
• 24:34
  Speaker 16: but you're sucking in the blood.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Dodgor Kendal Crowns, do you know what you're saying? Do
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: you ever think about it? I mean, when I think
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: about Markel, I immediately think about as two boys because
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: one day, whenever they can mentally and emotionally take it,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: they're going to find out the details about how their
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: dad died, and they're going to have find out that
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: their dad was sitting in his car, had been arguing
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: about how much he wanted to see them and be
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: in their lives and be the primary.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Caregiver, and then he ends up with.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: This horrendous injury, pain beyond excruciating to the neck and
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: the face, the head, and he's sucking in his own blood.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, do you ever think about what you're saying
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: or is this like just a clinical analysis for you?
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Well, of course I.
• 25:35
  Speaker 16: Think about what I'm saying, But the emotionality of thinking
• 25:39
  Speaker 16: about the individual's life outside of him, of the injuries
• 25:44
  Speaker 16: that I see at autopsy, I try not to think
• 25:47
  Speaker 16: about because if I get wrapped up in the emotion
• 25:49
  Speaker 16: of all of it, I wouldn't be able to do
• 25:51
  Speaker 16: my job. So in a way, yes, it's very clinical
• 25:53
  Speaker 16: to me. You ask me a question, I will give
• 25:56
  Speaker 16: you a clinical answer describing what's injured, not thinking about him,
• 26:00
  Speaker 16: his family, the pain and suffering, etc.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, of.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Course she went down fighting, lying through her teeth to
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: the bitter end.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: In court, Adelson gives a statement she maintained her innocence
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: and accused the state of not being able to make
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: up its mind about who the quote mastermind really was.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, woman, does it never end with you quote?
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: If I had become aware of this plan before Danny
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: was murdered, I would have stopped it. What happened to
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Danny is unforgivable. But I am an innocent woman convicted
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: of this terrible crime without evidence. I swear to you
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: on my life I was not involved in any way
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: with Danny's murder.
• 27:02
  Speaker 16: I was not.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: You know, there's got to be some psychiatric or psychological.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Reasoning behind lying to the bitter end, even though you've
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: been proving guilty in court. Could you just say I'm sorry,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I was blinded by rage jealousy. If only
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I could take it back. But oh, hbl Inn, she's
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: gonna lie to the bitter end. Why do I say
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: she's lying? This is why.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: The twelve member jury deliberated for approximately three hours before
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: returning a guilty verdict against Donna Adelson. She was found
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: guilty of first degree murder conspiracy and solicitation in Dan
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: Markel's death. Adelson is the second member of her family
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: to be found guilty in this case. Son Charlie was
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: convicted first to hired killers and to go between also sentenced.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: Donna Adelson gasped aloud as the judge read the verdict.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: Judge Stephen Everett told adels And to control herself as
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: she started to cry, instructing her to not have any
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: more outburst in front of the jury. Ruth Markel, Dan's mother,
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: said in her impact statement that Donna Adelson is a curse.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Back to the facts of the case.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Tamara Demco, a very dear friend of Dan Markel's, was
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: living in Tallahassee when Dan was murdered.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Tamara, I hardly.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Even know where to start, but why don't we start
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: with the day of the murder, what happened.
• 28:34
  Speaker 17: I did not find out about Danny being shot until
• 28:38
  Speaker 17: he had already passed. So the nineteenth of July, I
• 28:43
  Speaker 17: received an email from a law school friend that said,
• 28:47
  Speaker 17: I just heard what happened to Dan? Are you okay?
• 28:50
  Speaker 17: And she knew that I was very close to Danny.
• 28:54
  Speaker 17: So I went to Facebook and I looked and I
• 28:56
  Speaker 17: saw the awful news, and it was horrifying because he
• 29:00
  Speaker 17: was shot in broad daylight before noon on the eighteenth
• 29:04
  Speaker 17: a Friday. I was working two miles down the road
• 29:07
  Speaker 17: while my dear friend was being murdered, and the thought
• 29:12
  Speaker 17: was just horrifying. It broke my heart to hear the news,
• 29:14
  Speaker 17: and it was very.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Devastating, Tamara, I think you'll agree with me. Women all
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: over the world only wish their husband would take the
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: children to school in the morning.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Do the school run. I happened to love. That's my
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: favorite part of the day.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: But be involved, play with the children, do something with
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: the children. And I mean, I got lucky because my
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: husband does. But so many women feel that it's all
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: on them. And here's the guy, your friend, Danny Marcel,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: who is fighting tooth and nail for his children.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: What if anything, do you.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Know about his battle with his wife and his in
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: laws over the children.
• 30:07
  Speaker 17: I think you're absolutely right, Nancy. Danny was just so
• 30:11
  Speaker 17: passionate for life, and he was most passionate about his boys.
• 30:16
  Speaker 17: He was a loyal friend, someone who would go out
• 30:18
  Speaker 17: of his way to see you and to support you,
• 30:20
  Speaker 17: and he was just a blessing to everyone he met.
• 30:23
  Speaker 17: But The boys were his life, and he would even
• 30:26
  Speaker 17: take time out of his schedule to go meet up
• 30:29
  Speaker 17: with the boys just for snack time. That's the kind
• 30:32
  Speaker 17: of dad he was. You'd also see them to sleep
• 30:34
  Speaker 17: at night and he would play with them. He was
• 30:38
  Speaker 17: just a wonderful, wonderful dad, and the boys deserved and
• 30:42
  Speaker 17: still deserved to know him and who he was. The
• 30:46
  Speaker 17: divorce was very contentious.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Well that's one way to put it, Tamara. I mean,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: because did I have those facts right? He goes he's
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: a professor. It is FSU, correct, Danny Markel was a
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: professor at FSU to State University, correct, and was apparently
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: in the academic world very well regarded, who was also devout.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Because Joel Wollman, I'm diverting away from Tamara, but I
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: want her answer. Isn't it true that we find out
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: the mother in law, Donna Adelson, she quit work and
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: spent her whole life cultivating her three children like they
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: were hothouse plants, going to the right schools, going to
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: the right camps over the summer, getting this award and
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: that award, and the whole shebang.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: And I'm not detigrading that. I'm applauding that.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: But isn't it true that she tried to get Wendy
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: to bribe Danny with a million dollars.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: To give up the children.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Essentially let them move seven or eight hours away to
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: be close to her, the grandma. And then when that
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: didn't work, she wanted Wendy to threaten to raise them
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: as Catholics, yeah, and have them baptized and they were
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: devout Jews, thinking that would throw them over the edge,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: and Wendy, to her credit on that well, ostensibly would
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: not do it.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Didn't that happen?
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: Joel Waldman, Nancy, this just shows you how demented the matriarch,
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: Donna Aedelson is at the wedding. Obviously, prior to all
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: the acrimony, Dan Markel, as he just mentioned, was becoming
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: more and more involved in his Judaism. He really wanted
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: a kosher wedding, and lo and behold, at the wedding itself,
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: they pulled all the kosher food. It was something that
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: was perplexing to the Markell family. They couldn't understand it.
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: They had friends who are coming who would only eat
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: kosher food. And then as things heated up, and as
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: this deforce got more than working.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Ye, whoa, whoa Joel Wait isn't this was this the
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: big wedding with two hundred guests in Boca Ratone.
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: Yes, it is two hundred plus.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: And it was in the New York Times. You know
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: how hard it is to get your wedding. I did
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: not try, Jack, You don't look at me that way.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: I was lucky to get it in the making Telegraph.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Oh and the headline was something like Grace secretly Mary's
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: husband converts from that Baptist to Methodist. Okay converts anyway,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Something to that effect was in some paper, long story short.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: It was so big it was in the New York Times. Lavish, Wait,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: this is the first I've heard that they pulled the
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: kosher food. Who pulled the kosher food?
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: This is the Adelson family. They pulled the kosher food.
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: And all the guests there, you know, probably a good
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: portion would only eat kosher food. So there goes the
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: wedding meal for a lot of people.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: And I bet Markel threw a fit like nobody's business.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Nancy Yes, Karen Stark's psychologist at karenstark dot com.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Karen with as go, Karen, go go go.
• 33:57
  Speaker 18: The mother in law Nie have given them a one education,
• 34:01
  Speaker 18: but there are no good values of morality that we're
• 34:06
  Speaker 18: talking about. They didn't seem to get that at all.
• 34:09
  Speaker 18: What an outrageous story. You have guests who.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Can eat, Karen, You do know there's been a murderer,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: So let's not get too hung up on the wedding.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Although I agree with you that, I mean, I.
• 34:25
  Speaker 18: Know nance, but you know what, the thing that really
• 34:27
  Speaker 18: gets to me the most beside the murder are the children.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, I agree, back to the children. Thank you.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Let's get the ship right and bask out of the
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: weeds and back on the road. And since we're so
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: much on the road and we're out of the wage,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Joel Waldman, isn't it also true that there is a
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: third sibling. You've got Wendy, who was married to the
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: murder victim, and to this day everyone insists she knew
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: nothing about the plot by her mother and brother.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: To kill him.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: You got Wendy, you got the brother, Charlie, who can
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: good of hiring a hitman to kill his brother in law.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: And you've got a third sibling that was in love
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: with an Indian girl who was Hindu, and the parents
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: the Adolsons threw such a fit, he broke off married
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: someone that they would accept. That marriage fell apart after
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: a couple of years, and he went back to his
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: original first love and they're together today.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Is that right, Joel Waltman?
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: That is one hundred percent correct. There is just such
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: thick irony here. And I have to say this because
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: the podcast is called Surviving the Survivor, because my dear
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: mother is a Holocaust survivor, and this Jewish grandmother, Donna Adelson,
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: at one point threatened to have her own Jewish grandchildren
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: march down the streets in Nazi uniforms. Den Markel was
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: too Jewish. Den Markell was too Jewish, but Rob Adelson
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: marrying a non Jewish woman, she was just beside herself.
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: So they dug their noses into that relationship. Insisted that
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: Rob Adolson, the now estranged son of the Adelson family,
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: marry a Jewish woman. He did for a short time,
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: he was not in love. And then later he reconnects
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: with this Indian doctor, this woman, and now he is
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: happily married and completely disconnected from the Adelson family.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Dave Ehrenberg, I'm having a hard time believing what I'm hearing.
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah it is. Joel is one hundred percent correct. They
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: are not going to win Parents of the Year. There
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: was an article that came out from a supporter of
• 36:36
  Speaker 7: the Adolsons, which was a little suspicious because of the timing.
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: It looks like perhaps it was from a paid supporter,
• 36:43
  Speaker 7: someone who said he's known the Aedelsns forever and they
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: would never do something like this. They must be innocent.
• 36:49
  Speaker 7: But then it was revealed that the author of the
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: piece hadn't spoken to the Aelsons in twenty five plus years,
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: hadn't seen them in more than twenty five years. So
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: they don't have a lot of defenders right now now, Nancy,
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: And the big question is Donna is guilty? What's the
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: next shoot a ball? Because I don't think prosecutors will
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: be done there.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: You mean, you believe prosecutors are going to go after
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: the father in law, Harvey Adelson, who was with Donna
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Adelson on his way to Vietnam. Didn't he go, hey,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: why are we going to Vietnam? I mean, or why
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: don't we have a one way ticket to Vietnam? We're
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: not coming home?
• 37:27
  Speaker 17: Yeah?
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: And you know what that is?
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that and several of the phone calls that
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: are under suspicion.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Of course, the fans got in on this. Guys.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: We cannot sign off without talking about the bump, okay,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: which I'll get to. But his phone, Harvey Adelson's phone,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: took a lot of the phone calls around the time
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: of the murder. But you know what, let's bring it home.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Let's bring it home just a moment. Let's take a
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: listen to our cut to the nine to one one
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: called listen to this.
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: Okay, what's going on with him? I don't know.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: The driver's side window is all bashed in and he's
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: got blood all over his head.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: To Tamara Jimco. She is a doctor, she is a JD.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: She is an r N. She's a Harvard Law school
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: classmate with Danny Markel. She's known since nineteen ninety seven.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Was at work a few blocks away when Danny was murdered.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: When I think of this, I know he was brilliant.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I know he's a Harvard lawgride. I know he's a
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: law professor, wrote all sorts of very impressive works of
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: legal acuity.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: I know that.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: But a dad so involved, so full of life, it's
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: very hard for me to take in that his own
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: in laws would have him killed.
• 38:54
  Speaker 17: Very hard for me to wrap my mind around that too.
• 38:58
  Speaker 17: I actually grew up in the same town as the Adelson's,
• 39:00
  Speaker 17: my family's home a mile away from their home, and
• 39:04
  Speaker 17: I guess lectured for Wendy Adelson in her law school classes.
• 39:09
  Speaker 17: It was really something that I did not want to
• 39:12
  Speaker 17: consider as a possibility, and it's heartbreaking in and of itself.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Samarrah, of course you were not on Charlie Aidelson's the Maestro,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: But now that you were seeing the evidence unfold, what
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: do you think.
• 39:28
  Speaker 17: I think that there was a very concerted effort and
• 39:32
  Speaker 17: a long time planning. I believe the Adelson's or planners.
• 39:36
  Speaker 17: I'm very grateful for everyone who's worked hard for justice
• 39:39
  Speaker 17: in this case, and I firmly believe and hope that
• 39:43
  Speaker 17: justice will continue to happen and will continue to seek
• 39:47
  Speaker 17: it to the point where everyone involved is held accountable,
• 39:52
  Speaker 17: and that a callous disregard for life and the cold
• 39:55
  Speaker 17: calculation of the murder is not something that a self serving,
• 40:00
  Speaker 17: this kind of self serving premeditated and he in his
• 40:02
  Speaker 17: act should never be viewed as inconsequential and repeated by anyone,
• 40:07
  Speaker 17: and that's such a kind of justice that I'm looking for.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Tamara Dimko joining us. Did you know Donna Adelson, the
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: mother in law.
• 40:17
  Speaker 17: I had been to their home in Coral Springs. I
• 40:20
  Speaker 17: had also been to Wendy's home and Aqua Ridge. And yes,
• 40:24
  Speaker 17: I've met Donna several times. I have had drinks with her,
• 40:27
  Speaker 17: I've had dinner. I've gone to high holiday services with
• 40:31
  Speaker 17: the family as well.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Can you just tell me what she is like, what
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Harvey Aidolson is like, what Charlie Aidelson is like. There
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: are people, even when confronted with the evidence, and it's
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: pretty strong evidence, including fifty six thousand dollars in cash
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: put in the go between account, Charlie Adelson's girlfriend who
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: hired her, who arranged for her common law husband and
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: his friend to do the hit. Her account gets all
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: this money poured into it, the hit men get money,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: and Charlie al said, Hey, Dave Erenberg and Joel Walman,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: jump in if I've gotten this wrong.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: There are a lot of meticulous facts in this case.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: But Charlie Adelson had a habit he whenever dealing with cash,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: would staple the money together. I've never seen that in
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: my life and they would get cash stapled together.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Is that right, Dave Ehrenberg.
• 41:36
  Speaker 7: That is correct. It's like a fingerprint.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: That was a unique thing that only Charlie did. And
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: for the defense lawyers, they had a problem. How do
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: you explain that the killers had in their possession of
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: these stapled stacks of bills? How do you explain it? Well, Charlie,
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: I think they built his defense around that where he
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: tried to explain it by saying that he was the
• 41:59
  Speaker 7: victim of an extortion plot and that's why he had
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: to pay the killers or else they would kill him
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: and his family. Of course that didn't make any sense.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Well, then how come he's still alive?
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: Well, and that's and also don't how extortion works where
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: the killers go and first murder your enemy, and then
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: they come back and they say, okay, we've killed your enemy.
• 42:20
  Speaker 7: Now we're going to kill you and your family unless
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: you pay up. Why not just skip ahead to just
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: say pay us or we're going to kill you in
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: your family. So none of this made any sense.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: He hated Dan Markel, correct, Charlie Aielson hated Dan Markel.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: So that's theory is completely beast awkwards.
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: Exactly. It made no sense, and the jurors didn't buy
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: it either.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow, dimco back to you. I was asking.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: You what were the Adelson's like, specifically Donna.
• 42:51
  Speaker 17: Donna seemed like an involved and loving mom. She was
• 42:56
  Speaker 17: great to have to chat conversations with, and she was
• 43:00
  Speaker 17: very proud of her children, very much involved with the
• 43:04
  Speaker 17: grandchildren as well. I think from the surface level, they
• 43:08
  Speaker 17: seem like a normal family. If you were to go
• 43:10
  Speaker 17: to their home in Coral Springs, there are pictures up
• 43:13
  Speaker 17: on the wall of the kids. She spent a lot
• 43:18
  Speaker 17: of time supporting Wendy. There was nothing abnormal on the surface.
• 43:22
  Speaker 17: I would say that Harvey. Harvey always came across, is
• 43:25
  Speaker 17: a little bit more quiet, but certainly friendly. And Charlie
• 43:30
  Speaker 17: was very lively. He was always on the go and
• 43:36
  Speaker 17: enjoyed partying quite a bit.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Dave Ehrenberg joining US Palm Beach County state attorney and
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: friend of Danny Marcel.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: He has been reading Charlie.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Charlie Adelson has been referred to as thinking he was
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: James Bond, but in fact he's a periodontist.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: Well, I'm from South Florida and as Joel and Tamrek
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: would say, that's not that uncommon. He loved the fast
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: life with his ferrari and his fast women and his
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: clubbing lifestyle and drugs. And he was well known that
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: he was involved with steroids. And here was a guy
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: who was a nerd back in high school who then
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: became this wealthy, flashy, fast living guy who thought that
• 44:25
  Speaker 7: he could get away with murder. And that's the kind
• 44:28
  Speaker 7: of person who would commit this kind of crime because
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: people say, why do you think you could get away
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: with it? Well, when you're hopped up on steroids and
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: you think that you're smarter than everyone else, Yeah, you
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: think you're above the law, and you wouldn't get caught.
• 44:42
  Speaker 7: And it took nine plus years for there to be
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: justice for Charlie.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: And the FBI.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: God bless the FBI, God bless them. Look, I was
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: a Fed for three years. I hate the federal government
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: except the irs.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I love you. Please don't look.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: At me, Joel Waldman, could you please explain what I'm
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: talking about? As the bump, Charlie Adelson would never have
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: been convicted a murdering his brother in law over visitation
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: with Grandma and Donna. Adelson would not be in a
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: jail Seale up in her seventies trying to flee the
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Vietnam right now, if it hadn't been for wire taps
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: and shruptitious recordings, one of the most amazing ones that
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: actually worked. Joel Waldman, and I'm gonna hear from Robert
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Crispin and doctor Gorniac, renowned forensic pathologist.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: I want to circle back.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: To Dodtor Gorniac on what Danny Markel experienced because when
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: the neighbor came up, he was still rolling his head
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: around and moving, which in my mind means he was
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: suffering after he was shot. Waldman, as it's called the bump.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: If Adelson's had kept their traps shut, they wouldn't be
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: in jail right now.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Tell me about the bump as it is called.
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: So the Bump is now an infamous FBI sting. So
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: the FEDS got involved once this case started to move
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: and they thought that the Adelsons were possibly involved. So
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: it's interesting you bring it up. I just did a
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: tour for my podcast to the location where the bump happened,
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: and it happened to take place right in front of
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: where the Adolsons were living, and it's an iconic.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: The iconic, the icon, yeah, the icon, yes, yes, and
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: it's a.
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: Very lavish building. I think units started around two million dollars.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: So whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa the Icon condo building, the
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: unit started two million dollars.
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: That is correct, Nancy, Welcome to Miami. Yes, and it's
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: interesting this tour I did. I was curious to see
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: these different spots. So I also went by Charlie Adelson's tows.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, did you video that I did?
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: It's on my website on the YouTube channel.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Oh so we can say I can't wait to say this, Okay,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: go ahead, Yeah.
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: So Charlie's house is nothing like what you would expect.
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: It's sort of a rundown home right off the highway.
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: And keep in mind, this is a guy who in
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: court admitted that he was making three and a half
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: million dollars a year between twenty fourteen and twenty eighteen.
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: So that goes back to the James Bond question, because
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: that is not really the salary of the periodontis. But
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: we do know through these wiretaps that he was illicitly
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: dealing steroids as well. But back to the bump. So
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: this bump happened right in front of this icon building
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: in South Beach. It's a beautiful area. You can literally
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: this is what's so sad. You can literally take a
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: stone from where the bump happened and throw it and
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: hit the school that the two Markelle children attended. And
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: Donna was on her way to pick up her grandchildren.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: You main, after they killed Danny Markel move the children
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: down to South Florida, right, that's where they're going to school.
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: And changed their name from Markel to Adelson. So these
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: two young boys have are gonna have a lot, a
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: lot and Nancy, I know you know this, you know firsthand,
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: a lot of grieving to deal with and a lot
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: of you know, understanding about what happened to their family
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: as they become these young teens that they are now.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Not only changed their last name from Markel back to Adelson,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: the maiden name of the mom, but took away the
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: oldest son's middle.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Name, which had been the Hebrew name of Dan Markel's grandma.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Right, so all trace of Dan Markel has been removed
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: from their life.
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: It's it's difficult to process it really is. So this,
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: you know, this bump happened literally across the street from
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: the school that they were attending at the time and
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: ultimately when they got the uh, you know that video
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: and audio, there's no doubt that that is, you know,
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: a big piece of evidence that influenced jurors. And then
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: there's one other piece of audio from a restaurant, the
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: so called Dulce Beata tapes that have the little woman
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: Katie mcbanawa and Charlie Aedelson talking. So his combination of this.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Circuit Court Judge Stephen Everett says in court Adelson has
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: quote an utter lack of remorse for the crime. He says, quote,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: you certainly can choose to deny your involvement and maintain innocence.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: The court finds the evidence in this case is clear,
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: and so did the jury, and this is why.
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: Jurors heard from Adelson's oldest son, doctor Robert Adelson and
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: ear nose and throat specialist the mother and son are estranged.
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: He described his mother as controlling and said she hated
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: Dan Markel Alson seventy five did not take the witness
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: stand in her own defense. After the guilty verdict was read,
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: Adelson shouted, oh my God, breaking down in tears. The
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: judge admonished Adelson to control herself, then ordered the jury out,
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: giving Adelson a two minute break to collect herself.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: This is the trial of the monster in law, the
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: suspect who ordered the hit, according to prosecutors, to murder
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: her son in law because he would not let his
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: children move.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Eight hours away to live by her.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Wow, I wonder why after trying to bribe him for
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: a million dollars, threatened to indoctrinate the boys in another religion.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: A plot unfold. I haven't even gotten to all the wire.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Chaps. You know what. You're going to totally wig when
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: you hear this.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: But let's take a step by step because it can
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: get complicated.
• 50:52
  Speaker 9: Listen, Charlie Aedelson, brother of Wendy Edelson, uses his girlfriend
• 50:56
  Speaker 9: Katherine Macmanawad to arrange a murder for hire, using the
• 51:00
  Speaker 9: father of her two children, Sigfredo Garcia and his friend
• 51:03
  Speaker 9: Louis Rivera, to kill Dan Markel. The end result that
• 51:07
  Speaker 9: Wendy Aedelson can move her two children too South Florida
• 51:10
  Speaker 9: near her family. Exactly what happened when Dan Markell was killed?
• 51:15
  Speaker 7: What happened when you got to the driveway of Dan
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: Mark Hill.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Right behind him, and Garcia jumped out and show.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: How many times did Garcia shoot mister Moyle? Cold blood?
• 51:33
  Speaker 19: Cold Blood Gigi McKelvey joining US investigative journalists star a
• 51:39
  Speaker 19: Pretty Lies and Alibis podcast. Gigi's been on the case
• 51:44
  Speaker 19: from the very very beginning, gg cold What I mean?
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: He just rattled off, how many times you shoot? Twice?
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: He doesn't care about the children, He doesn't care about
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Markel's family. Devastated family twice. Okay, forget about that. Let
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: me talk to you about the plot. Let me understand.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Wendy Adelson, the mother of the children, the one that
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: got the divorce. The lawyer, Wendy Adelson's brother. He decides
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: to intervene and he gets his girlfriend, Katherine Magbwana to.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Arrange a hit. And the hit men are the.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Father of her children, Sigfredo Garcia and his friend Louise Rivera. Okay,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: there is Catherine Magbonwa and the father of her children,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Sigfreda Garcia and his buddy Luis Rivera. Okay, tell me
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: how that whole thing went down, Gigi. And isn't it
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: quite the coincidence? Isn't it odd that everybody around Wendy
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Adelson is dropping like flies now. Her mother is on trial,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: but she is unscathed. Neither person of interest or suspect
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: tell me how this whole thing went down with the
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: girlfriend with Charlie Adelson's girlfriend. Man, she must have been
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: a piece of work, because when I think of hit man,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think, hey, I'll ask my husband to get
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: some of his low life friends to pull off a hit.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: You know, they're not all as in priests and virgins, Gigi,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: birds of a feather, you know the rest. So he
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: thinks his girlfriend can arrange a murder and guess.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: What she does. Yeah, I mean that's essentially what happened.
• 53:32
  Speaker 12: And it was pretty soon after they started seeing each
• 53:34
  Speaker 12: other at Halloween party where they're getting in their car
• 53:38
  Speaker 12: to leave, and he just asked her, Hey, do you
• 53:40
  Speaker 12: know anybody that would hurt somebody? And she said yes
• 53:44
  Speaker 12: and left it there. And it wasn't until later on
• 53:47
  Speaker 12: when the relocation was a big issue with Donna, And
• 53:52
  Speaker 12: we're going to hear that on these wiretap calls as
• 53:55
  Speaker 12: this trial progresses. It was getting fever pitch. I don't
• 53:59
  Speaker 12: think Charlie cares where Wendy and the boys lived. He's
• 54:02
  Speaker 12: a playboy making millions of dollars every year, but it
• 54:06
  Speaker 12: was important to Donna. And as time went on and
• 54:09
  Speaker 12: Donna got more frantic and more obsessed with the location issue,
• 54:13
  Speaker 12: he finally went to her and said, we need to
• 54:15
  Speaker 12: get this done. That is when she went to her
• 54:19
  Speaker 12: baby daddy, Sigfredo Garcia, and proposed, would you like to
• 54:23
  Speaker 12: make some money to take care of somebody?
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: And he said yes.
• 54:27
  Speaker 12: After that he got his childhood friend Luis Rivera, who
• 54:31
  Speaker 12: was the leader of the Miami sector of the Latin Kings,
• 54:35
  Speaker 12: to come along as a ride along essentially.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: And that's where the plot started.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: So Trulie Adelson aka the Maestro, who is Wendy Adolson?
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Ah there he is?
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: What a fine figure of a man, vanity flat maestro?
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Okay whatever? So how is he making so much money?
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Hand over fishgg how much money are we talking about?
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: What did you do for a living?
• 55:03
  Speaker 12: He's a periodontist, so that's a dental surgeon. Harvey the
• 55:07
  Speaker 12: father was only a dentist and owned the Adelson Institute,
• 55:11
  Speaker 12: which is their family dental practice. But Charlie would also
• 55:15
  Speaker 12: travel around South Florida and do day work at these
• 55:18
  Speaker 12: other dental offices, and he got paid a lot of money. Also,
• 55:23
  Speaker 12: the family preferred cash payments as opposed to credit card payments.
• 55:28
  Speaker 12: Charlie was notorious for having a safe with stacks of
• 55:32
  Speaker 12: one hundred bills in there.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: But Charlie, yeah, he was driving around supercars.
• 55:38
  Speaker 12: He had a boat throwing money out left and right,
• 55:42
  Speaker 12: and he had a supercar.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: The last thing I want is a man pulling up
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: an expensive car. I mean, a guy pulls up in
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: a Lamborghini, I'm like, bye bye.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: You know what that means to me?
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: That means he's having a midlife crisis, or like he's
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: got to have a really expensive car to impress people,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: because obviously his personality and intellect.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Don't cut it. So not interested.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: My husband drives a beat up SUV, meat up.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Totally beat up, and he doesn't care. That's what I
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: like about him. So this guy, what kind of car
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: is a supercar? Charlie Adelson.
• 56:24
  Speaker 12: I believe he had a Lamborghini if I recall correctly.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: It must have been why I said Lamborghini.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, I could just see him driving up and now
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: the strip in Miami and his Lamborghini and Maestro on
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: his vanity.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: So Who's doctor Bubner?
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Bob n e R Who, Dave Mac, Who's doctor Bubner?
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: I noticed you, Dave Mac keep talking about doctor Bubner,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: and I'm wondering why he just love to say Bubner?
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: Who is that?
• 56:57
  Speaker 10: Doctor Bubner is a Miami doctor who is a breast
• 57:03
  Speaker 10: augmentation specialist, and he refers to himself first as doctor Bubner,
• 57:09
  Speaker 10: and then of course his patients are so happy with
• 57:12
  Speaker 10: the results that they in turn call him doctor Bubner.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: And uh, okay, great, what does he have to do
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: with this case?
• 57:19
  Speaker 10: He's like the missing link in the Dan Markel murder mystery,
• 57:24
  Speaker 10: if you want to call it. That the prosecutors that
• 57:27
  Speaker 10: were investigating the case, they actually were able to tie
• 57:32
  Speaker 10: in doctor Bubner between Katherin macbanawa and Charlie Adelson, and
• 57:41
  Speaker 10: that he did Katherine mcbanawa's breast augmentation surgery as part
• 57:48
  Speaker 10: of the payment she got from Charlie Adelson for helping.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: To stop Stop Stop Stop Stop place play speak no more.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: Are you hearing this? Fatus I assume foutus. You've seen
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: the series the Moodies called the.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Apple Dumpling Gang. Okay, it'scot don Nott's and others in it. Yeah,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: you need to see that. I showed it to the children.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: But I think the title says it all. So the
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: go between Katherine MCBADOI who set up the hit for
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Charlie Adelson, for his mother or the monster in law
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: got paid with a breast lift implants I'm so happy
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: right now because that's not hard to trace.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Right, he paid her with knee breasts A and.
• 58:37
  Speaker 11: Me right right, Nancy. But the key there is Charlie
• 58:42
  Speaker 11: paid her. Charlie paid her, not Donna. It's not Donna
• 58:46
  Speaker 11: fronting the bill for these new press. And so what
• 58:49
  Speaker 11: we're talking about is is certainly this uh you know,
• 58:52
  Speaker 11: code of folks who are conspiring with one another. And
• 58:55
  Speaker 11: then we have Donna Adelson, who, according to the fence,
• 58:58
  Speaker 11: is just kind of a protective grandma detective.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Mother tried the million dollar bribe. O. Did you not
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: hear you need to turn up your hearing aids?
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Did you not hear? GJ.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: McKelvey just say, Charlie Adelson didn't give a flying fig
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: where those boys lived. He only did it because his
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: mother drove him insane to do it. He doesn't care.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: He didn't have a dog in that fight. No skin
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: in the game. He did it because his mother would
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: not leave him alone. He didn't care about the boys.
• 59:28
  Speaker 11: But to say that that cause this murder for higher
• 59:33
  Speaker 11: plot is a logical leap that I'm not sure the
• 59:35
  Speaker 11: evidence has supported yet, and so, uh, you know, I
• 59:39
  Speaker 11: just think that's a bit of a stretch the prosecutor.
• 59:41
  Speaker 11: They've already got there pound of flesh with the four
• 59:44
  Speaker 11: other convictions, and in defense of saying he leave this.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, you're talking about the conviction of
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: the brother, the playboy, Lamborghini Brother aka Maestro, the girlfriend
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: with the breastlift, Katherine may Banoi, the hit man, and
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: his dang cohort. Those four have been convicted.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: None of them care about where the boys live.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: The only one that cares is Donna Adelson. Catherine mcbanoi
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: testifies under oath about how Charlie Aidelson couldn't take a
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: link without Mommy saying okay, you can go. So this
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: was like a regular part of the way this worked.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Whenever this conversation came up, he yes, we consult his
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: mother and come back and speak to you.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 9: And Jack is an Investigators use an undercover agent to
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 9: make contact with Donna Adelson The agent hands Donna Adelson
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  Speaker 9: a press release of Markel's murder, asks Adelson for five
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 9: thousand dollars and provides a phone number. Investigators intercepted called
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 9: Donna Adelson makes to Charlie asking him to meet with
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 9: her about paperwork hand delivered to her outside her Charlie
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 9: asks if it involves him, and Donna says probably both
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 9: of us. Donna says she doesn't want to discuss this
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 9: on the phone. Investigators continue to intercept calls. This time
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 9: Charlie tells mom not to talk about things in the apartment.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 9: Adilson asks his mother what the letter asked for. Donna
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 9: says this TV is probably about five. Charlie asks if
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 9: they ask for five thousand dollars. Donna Adelson responds affirmatively.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 9: Adelson calls Katherine mcbaniwa and explains someone approached his mother
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 9: regarding her son and his ex girlfriend and asking for money.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 9: Investigators record Adelson saying to mac Baniwa, my mom doesn't
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 9: know these guys. He says, paying someone off is not
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 9: an admission of guilt. Conversations continue between Charlie Adelson, Donna Adelson,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 9: Katherine Macbaniwa, and Sigfredo Garcia, all monitored by investigators.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: You know, Eric Fattus's worst nightmare is a wiretap? Hey,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: or an undercover agent? Eric Fattis, did you hear that
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: an undercover agent approaches Alsen on the street. He's got
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: a press release or an article about Markel's murder and says, hey,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: you made five thousand dollars, I have info on you
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: and your son.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: What does she do?
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 8: John?
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Call police? She calls her son and goes, don't talk
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: on the phone and makes us.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: Some crazy jargon to tell him a bribe of five thousand.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: Dollars she has just been put to her, and they.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: Go, don't when somebody says don't talk on the phone,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: you know it's something bad, or don't put it in writing,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: you don't want to leave a trail, And that's.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: What she says.
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  Speaker 11: Well, hey, what it could be. It sounds a little
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 11: bit like entrapping. It sounds a little bit like government overreached.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 11: It sounds a little bit like Charlie Edelson was involved
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 11: in some misdeeds and the government's trying to rope in
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 11: somebody who did not have any direct involvement. Look, the
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 11: mother may have known that Charlie Adamsonson did what he
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 11: did and may have wanted to talk with him about that.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: None of that is criminal.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 11: And the fact that she says, oh, it involves both
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 11: of us, well, she's the one who received the document
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 11: and received the bump, which was this surreptitious encounter. And
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 11: so hey, look, you know calling your son to talk
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 11: about it is not crime.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: You know what when you say things like Ron Bateman,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: come on, you know.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: Let's school Eric Fattis.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: If it's possible Bateman, former sheriff, author homicide undercover.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: You name it Bateman.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: When I hear the words don't talk on the phone
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: or don't talk in the apartment, why not talk in
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: your apartment? If some guy I don't know literally bumps
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: into me on the street and tries to extract five
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: grand from me, I'm calling police.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: But neither one of them call police.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: In fact, they don't talk on the phone all that started.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 14: Let me talk about that for one second.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: I've been in those positions.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 14: I have been the undercover guy.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: I have been the hit.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 14: Guy for a relationship that went bad. And I was
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 14: the guy on the phone during the undercover call in
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 14: this case with a wife, and it is so funny.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 14: And I'm being undercovered narcotics detective for a long time
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 14: and got into this role as a hit man. People
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 14: always talk on the phone, they try to talk in code,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 14: and I was talking in code to this one particular lady,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 14: and it's just so funny. They are not as diabolical
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 14: with their planning of a murder like people think they
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 14: should be. I had Maryland's first life without parole case
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 14: ever happened, and it was a contract murder involving a
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 14: wife and a husband. Totally different case where I was
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 14: the undercover hitman. But again, it's just so funny how
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 14: just things just crumple down. And the worst thing that
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 14: you can have in any kind of crime is another person.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 14: There's another person, which in this case there are several.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 14: They'll alternal to each other, which obviously in this case
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 14: they have what I call in this case, and I
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 14: don't know if I've coined this, if it's my own
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 14: thing or not, but it's relationship terrorism, like that bomb
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 14: that was dropped on the husband before he went for
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 14: the speaking engagement. And then these guys here, the Garcia
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 14: and Rivera, I mean, come on, you think there's no
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 14: ring cameras across the street or at the front of
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 14: the house. I mean, come on, it's just it's so.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: And now now.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: It culminates from the hitmen to the breastlift as payment
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: for setting up the hit, to the son, the brother
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Charlie Adelson, to the mother, Donna Adelson. Now the only
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: one unscathed is Wendy Adelson, and all of this according
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: to prosecutors for her, she says.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: She knew nothing of it.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: And speaking of Donna Adelson, she came this close, this
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: close to getting out of the country and going to
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: a non extradition jurisdiction, specifically Vinam caught at the airport.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 20: Listen, it was this idea, said, sweetheart, let's go just
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 20: get away, just get away somewhere so we could have
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 20: sometimes to think.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 11: Okay, so your testimony is that you weren't trying to
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 11: go to Vietnam because you.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't be able to be extradited from there.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 20: So my husband actually had said, you know, we've been
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 20: to Vietnam before with friends with run vacation and it
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 20: was it really was like a place of peace. And
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 20: so she said, if we go through a non extradition,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 20: then if the law enforcement decided that they wanted to
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 20: arrest you or being whatever both.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: He said.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 20: Then he said, we won't be sitting in a foreign
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 20: prison waiting months to go back. We could buy a
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 20: ticket and we can go home. And my understanding was
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 20: that I could go home and I could turn myself
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 20: in if that's what.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: They want to do. Yeah, that's how it typically does
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: not work.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: You go to a non extradition country and then when
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: the cops want to.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: Arrest you, you just come home. Okay.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: That is what we call in the law flight as
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: evidence of guilt.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: You leave the scene of the.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: Crime, or you leave before you can get caught. Everyone
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: is wondering what else was heard on those tapped phone
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: calls to gg McKelvey. We have been listening to Ellie
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: on the stand now going on two days. What did
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: they say?
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 12: They pretty much went through a couple of calls, initially
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 12: about Wendy, and I think what the prosecution was trying
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 12: to do was show that Donna was complaining about relationships
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 12: and jobs that Wendy had chosen and she was having
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 12: Charlie do her bidding for her. You need to talk
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 12: to your sister, talker out of this. You need to
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 12: talk her into this, So I think the first couple
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 12: of calls that's what that was for. Then we get
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 12: into those bump calls that we've been talking about, where
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 12: there's panic.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: You know, Donna's not wanting to say much.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 12: Charlie notoriously repeats himself in these wiretap calls. But it's
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 12: what we're hearing is the absence of the question, which,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 12: ex Girlfriend, what is five thousand dollars? Why is this
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 12: random guy handing me some article about Dan on the street?
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: What is going on?
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 12: No police called nothing at all except that phone call
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 12: right after? Did Charlie? We need to have dinner? This
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 12: involves the two of us. The TV was about five
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 12: and they have determined over the course of these wiretaps,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 12: TV is code for murder.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 9: Jeffrey Leacash was dating Wendy Adelson around the time of
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 9: den murder and says he felt like he was being
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 9: framed as the possible killer. La Casa says Wendy pushed
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 9: for details about an upcoming trip to Atlanta on July eighteenth,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 9: when he was leaving direction of travel. Turns out the
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 9: killers rented a car similar in color and style to
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 9: La cass gray Nissan Sentra and travel in the same
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 9: direction as La cass as they had out of town.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 9: He also notes he had plans to travel that route
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 9: the same morning in June twenty fourteen that the hitman
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 9: arrived in Tallahassee during their first attempt to kill Markel.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: JJ mcchelvey joining US investigative journalist. So Wendy Adelson's boyfriend
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: thought her fam including her, was trying to set him
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: up to take the.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: Fall for the murder.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 12: Absolutely, and he told a story that would support that.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 12: He and Wendy actually were on a break at her request.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 12: She had just got back from a ten weeks day
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 12: in Miami, and they met up and she said, look,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 12: you know, I really just want some days alone. And
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 12: this is at the time that the actual murder happened.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 12: They met up one last time and as they're going
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 12: to their car, she turns and asks him about his
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 12: trip that was happening the next day. Hey, what would
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 12: cause you not to go on your trip? Which way
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 12: are you going? And he thought it was odd, and
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 12: so he goes on about his day and come to
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 12: find out both times the first attempt that happened in
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 12: June that law enforcement did not know about in fact,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 12: until Luis Rivera told them in his profer they ranted
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 12: a car very similar to Jeff Lacass's. And I don't
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 12: think it's much of a coincidence that on two separate
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 12: trips in two separate months, when the killers are in town,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 12: that's when Jeff lacass scheduled to go out. He would
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 12: have taken a route that would have went very near
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 12: Dan Markel's house about the same time that the two
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 12: hitmen would have been fleeing the area after the shooting.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 12: I absolutely think they tried to set Jeff up because
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 12: it would be easy. He disliked Dan because he adopted
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 12: the Adleson way of thinking about Dan. At the time
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 12: he was with Wendy. That's what you do sometimes when
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 12: you're in relationships. So it could have been the perfect
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 12: storm for him, but thank goodness, he was able to persevere.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 12: Isn't there other than brainwashing? The boyfriend Dave Mack, I'm interested,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 12: I'm curious about a conversation according to the boyfriend, Jeffrey Lacasse.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 12: He says Wendy Adelson, the mom of the boys, Dan Markel's.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: Wife that wanted the divorce and moved the boys away.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: Wendy Adelson, according to Lacas, says, and I'm reading it verbatim,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: can I tell you something confidentially? Last summer, my brother
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: looked into all options possible to take care of the
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: Danny Markel problem, including hiring a hitman, and it would
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: cost about fifteen thousand dollars.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: Then there was a question, is this some kind of
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: joke Charlie made? And the boyfriend says, this was no joke.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 10: Jeff Lecash actually has already testified Nancy, and he broke
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 10: this all out Georgia Kapelman when the prosecutors actually was
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 10: able to bring this out of.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 7: Him, and she even went back to, what.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: Was this a joke?
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 10: Kind of like how Charlie blew off the TV as
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 10: a divorced president kind of thing as a joke, And
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 10: he was like, no, this is not a joke, because
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 10: think about it in context, Nancy, You've got Wendy Adels
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 10: in volunteering that Charlie came up with a plan and
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 10: it would cost you afteen grant.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 7: That's beyond joking.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 10: That's not an off handed comment.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 7: That is a very firm I got to get this
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 7: off my chest kind.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: Of thing, and she did, you know what, And I
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: don't care how angry I get at my husband. If
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: someone said, hey, I'm going to give you a TV
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: as a divorce present. It's cheaper than a hitman, they
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: would get a total knuckle sandwich. Okay, but according to
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: what the boyfriend says, this was no joke. And let
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: me remind everyone, Wendy Adelson.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Has not been charged. She is not a.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Person of interest in the murder of Dan Markel.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: Don't worry.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: Donna Adelson is getting three hots at a cot behind
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: bars right now, and we're all paying for it. While
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: she gnashes her teeth and switches her tail, planning her appeal.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: We wait as just as some faults.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: Fancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,