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How Golden State Killer murdered 12 & raped 50, lives under the radar · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: M Triumph Channel one thirty two. We all knew as
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Speaker 1: part of this team that we were looking for a
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Speaker 1: needle in a haystack, but we also all knew that
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Speaker 1: the needle was there. After all these years, the haunting
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Speaker 1: question of who committed these terrible crimes have been put
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Speaker 1: to rest. For the ladies who were brutally rap in
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Speaker 1: this crisis and sleep better tonight. He isn't coming through
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Speaker 1: the window. He's now in jail and his history. Imagine
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Speaker 1: hearing a shuffling in the middle of the night, is
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Speaker 1: dark in your room, and you keep listening and it
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Speaker 1: goes away, and try to get back to sleep. You
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Speaker 1: hear it again, and you look up and a man
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Speaker 1: is standing at the foot of your bed, and you
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Speaker 1: are locking eyes with none other than the gold and
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Speaker 1: State Killer we now know has murdered at least twelve
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Speaker 1: and raped fifty one over a ten year reign of terror.
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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. The Golden State Killer, who has eluded
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Speaker 1: police for years, who has terrorized women by waking them
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Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night, binding, gagging, raping, murdering,
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Speaker 1: very often taking the male companion being husband or boyfriend
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Speaker 1: to a different room, tying them up, placing a stack
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Speaker 1: of plates on the husband's back, and if he moves
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Speaker 1: and the plates fall, he kills the wife, even attacking
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Speaker 1: one woman brutally in bed with her taught son in
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Speaker 1: bed with her. This man, now revealed to be a
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Speaker 1: former cop, arrested a name by police as the Golden
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Speaker 1: State Killer. His reign of evil is over. I Meancy, Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Alan.
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Speaker 1: What do we know? Nancy. Former police officer Joseph James DeAngelo,
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Speaker 1: seventy two years old now was arrested at his California
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Speaker 1: home after DNA linked him to the crimes attributed to
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Speaker 1: the so called Golden State Killer. He's now been charged
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Speaker 1: just initially with eight counts of murder, but prosecutors say
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Speaker 1: he could face dozens more charges and arrest warrant was issued.
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Speaker 1: A complaint was filed charging that individual with two counts
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Speaker 1: of murder with special circumstances for the murder of Brian
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Speaker 1: and Katie Maggiori here in Sacramento. In February, in Ventura County,
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Speaker 1: we have filed capital murder charges against Mr de'angelo for
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Speaker 1: the March night murders of Lyman and Charlene Smith. Our
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Speaker 1: complain alleges two counts the first degree murder, the three
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Speaker 1: special circumstances, namely multiple murders, murdered during the commission of
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Speaker 1: a rape, and murdered during the commission of a burglary
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Speaker 1: August nineteen night. The defendant, Joseph D'Angelo, is accused of
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Speaker 1: brutally murdering twenty four year old Keith Harrington and twenty
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Speaker 1: eight year old Patrice Harrington in their Data Point home.
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Speaker 1: He's also accused of raping and sexually assaulting Patrese. On February,
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Speaker 1: the defendant is accused of raping, sexually assaulting, and murdering
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Speaker 1: year old Manuela with him in Irvine. Years later, on
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Speaker 1: May four, D'Angelo was accused of raping, sexually assaulting, and
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Speaker 1: murdering eighteen year old Janelle Cruz in her home. The
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Speaker 1: break in the case came as detectives determined. Detectives got
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Speaker 1: a sample of DNA from something that d' angelo had discarded.
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Speaker 1: The Sacramento Sheriff won't say what that item was yet,
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Speaker 1: and it was not enough to make a conclusive DNA match,
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Speaker 1: but it did show enough similarities for investigators to go
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Speaker 1: back and get more that did lead to what they
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Speaker 1: call a conclusive match. Over the last few days, as
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Speaker 1: information started to point towards this individual, we started some surveillance.
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Speaker 1: We were able to get some discarded DNA, and we
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Speaker 1: were able to confirm what we thought We already knew
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Speaker 1: that we had our man, and yesterday afternoon, in a
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Speaker 1: perfectly executed arrest. My detectives arrested James Joseph t'angelo, seventy
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Speaker 1: two years old, living in Citrus Heights. I can tell
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Speaker 1: you that although it was d NA ultimately that led
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Speaker 1: us down the right road, there were a lot of
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Speaker 1: places that road could have led. You know, the d
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Speaker 1: n A actually got us to a road, but the
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Speaker 1: road had many destinations possible destinations. UM. I can first
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Speaker 1: say that even backing up from the d n A,
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Speaker 1: that we would have never got to a d n
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Speaker 1: A sample or ability to compare it without the dog
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Speaker 1: and determination of the detectives on this case. So it's
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Speaker 1: not like it ultimately would have come to us anyways,
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Speaker 1: That's just simply not the case. This was a true
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Speaker 1: convergence of emerging technology and dog and determination by detectives.
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Speaker 1: So once we got information that led us to a
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Speaker 1: general I mean, it's almost like the d A pointed
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Speaker 1: us east, so we could exclude north, west and south,
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Speaker 1: but we still had to do a lot of investigative
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Speaker 1: follow up and drilled down from that direction of east
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Speaker 1: until we got to this person. He did a lot
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Speaker 1: of exclusions of other folks, got this person that looked
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Speaker 1: like he might be our guy, and then we're able
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Speaker 1: to get at least an initial um discarded DNA sample
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Speaker 1: that gave us more confidence that this was our person,
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Speaker 1: and we're able to continue and get a better, more
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Speaker 1: workable sample of DNA. I'll just say at this point
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Speaker 1: it was discarded DNA sample. D'Angelo served in the U. S. Navy.
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Speaker 1: He was a police officer in Exeter, California. That's in
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Speaker 1: the San Joaquin Valley newspaper. Reports from the time say
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Speaker 1: that D'Angelo was fired from the Auburn, California Police Department
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Speaker 1: in nineteen nine after being arrested for steely a can
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Speaker 1: of dog repellent and a hammer from a drug store.
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Speaker 1: He was convicted of theft and find a hundred dollars
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Speaker 1: and it cost him his job as a police officer,
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Speaker 1: ending his law enforcement career. Ten of the slayings in
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Speaker 1: the and the Golden State Killer series occurred after he
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Speaker 1: was fired, all of them in southern California. California law
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Speaker 1: enforcement now estimate fifty rapes in the county's Sacramento, Contra Costa, Stanislaus,
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Speaker 1: San Joaquin, Alameda, Santa Clara, Yolo. We think commanded by
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Speaker 1: the so called Original night Stalker. That's fifty at the least,
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Speaker 1: DNA conclusively linking him to eight murders. Other murders linked
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Speaker 1: by m O. Investigators suspect that the same man committed
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Speaker 1: three other murders too, and Rancio Cordova and Bassalia. It
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Speaker 1: goes on and on and on. In fact, he's got
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Speaker 1: so many murders and rapes he even has different monikers
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Speaker 1: going by East Area rapists, the Golden State Killer, the
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Speaker 1: Original night Stalker. Joining us now one of the Golden
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Speaker 1: State Hiller's victims, the fifth victim who managed to live
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Speaker 1: to tell the tale. Author of Frozen in Fear, A
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Speaker 1: true story of surviving the Shadows of Death, Jane Carson Sandler,
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Speaker 1: who tells her tale of fear and survival. Jane, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. Thank you Nancy for having me.
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Speaker 1: I'm right now, just struck with knowing how close you
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Speaker 1: came to being murdered. Something about you was different from
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Speaker 1: his murder victims. Tell me what happened. Well, I was
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Speaker 1: six thirty in the morning and my husband had just
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Speaker 1: left for work. I heard the garage door closed and
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Speaker 1: the next thing I knew, there was someone running down
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Speaker 1: the hall with a flashlight, and I yelled to my husband,
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Speaker 1: what did you forget? And it wasn't my husband. It
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Speaker 1: was n with a ski mask, holding a flashlight and
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Speaker 1: a large butcher knife. And just before this and ran
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Speaker 1: down the hall, my son had gotten in bed with me,
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Speaker 1: my three year old son. So um, we were snuggling
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Speaker 1: when this monster arrived at my bedside and he uh.
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Speaker 1: You can imagine the fear that I was experiencing at
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Speaker 1: this time, especially being that my son was next to me.
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Speaker 1: So um. He had on a ski mask and black
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Speaker 1: leather gloves, high top black sneakers, and that's all I
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Speaker 1: really knew, because his face was covered with ski mask
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Speaker 1: with just slits for his eyes. And then he proceeded
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Speaker 1: to anytime I tried to say something, he would say
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Speaker 1: with clenched teeth, shut up, shut up, or I'll kill you.
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Speaker 1: Shut up, shut up, shut up, or I'll kill you.
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Speaker 1: So um. Then um, he proceeded to say he just
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Speaker 1: wanted money, which was of course a lie, and he
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Speaker 1: uh then he gagged both of both my son and myself.
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Speaker 1: He blindfolded us and he tied us our ankles and
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Speaker 1: our wrists with shoelaces. And then the most frightening part
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Speaker 1: about the whole ordeal was when he moved my son,
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Speaker 1: And then I knew that I had no idea why
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Speaker 1: he was moving him. Of course, where was he taking him?
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Speaker 1: I had no idea and uh. And then when he
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Speaker 1: um untied my ankles, then I knew what he was
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Speaker 1: there for. I don't even remember the rape, because all
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Speaker 1: I was concerned with is where did he put my son? Um.
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Speaker 1: He also had this um, this ritual of tearing sheets,
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Speaker 1: tearing towels, and I had no idea what he was
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Speaker 1: going to do with those. You know, what was he
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Speaker 1: going to hang us? What? What was he going to
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Speaker 1: do strangle us with the sheets with these? Had absolutely
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Speaker 1: no idea, And again the fear that I was experiencing
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Speaker 1: was just overwhelming. He eventually, thank the Lord, put my
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Speaker 1: son back next to me. And I don't know why
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Speaker 1: he had moved him in the first place. It was
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Speaker 1: probably because he wanted more room on the bed, or
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Speaker 1: I don't think it was because he was being a
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Speaker 1: nice guy. I just think he needed more room to operate.
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Speaker 1: And then as we're tied up, gag blindfolded, and he
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Speaker 1: went in the kitchen and started um rattling pots and pans.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he was cooking something, but he
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Speaker 1: opened the refrigerator and again was making a lot of
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Speaker 1: noise with these pots and pans. And they need to
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Speaker 1: come back in the bedroom and threaten us again and
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Speaker 1: say don't move. If I hear anything, I'll come back
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Speaker 1: and kill you. So we laid there. I laid there
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Speaker 1: probably about thirty minutes, trying to hear if I could
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Speaker 1: hear if he was still in the home. And I
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Speaker 1: was finally able to get my blindfold down a little bit,
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Speaker 1: and I realized it was light coming through the window,
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Speaker 1: so I was able to look over at my son,
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Speaker 1: and he was asleep, and I woke him up, and
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Speaker 1: I said, we've got to get out of here. We've
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Speaker 1: got to get out of here. So hobbling down the
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Speaker 1: hall to the front door. We couldn't get out because
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Speaker 1: there was a chair blocked up under the door knob.
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Speaker 1: And then we went around to the kitchen and the
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Speaker 1: screen door was opened, the sliding door. So hobbled around
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Speaker 1: to the front gate, screamed for a neighbor, and then
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Speaker 1: went into the neighbor's home and she called the police
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Speaker 1: from there. Carol Daily, my angel showed up and took
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Speaker 1: me to the emergency room. There were three mail policemen
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Speaker 1: that showed up initially to speak with me, but I
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Speaker 1: had no desire to speak to those men. Um. But
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Speaker 1: when Carol arrived, she was so caring and so loving,
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Speaker 1: and I just felt so safe with her. So she
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Speaker 1: took me to the emergency room and stayed with me
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Speaker 1: for about oh well over an hour before she had
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Speaker 1: to leave. There were no cell phones back at that time,
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Speaker 1: so it's not like she could, you know, check in
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Speaker 1: with her partners. So UM, I was alone during the
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Speaker 1: rape exam, which was done by a mail and at
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Speaker 1: one minute I was laughing and joyful that I was
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Speaker 1: alive and my son was alive, and the next moment
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Speaker 1: I was sobbing, But oh my god, what had just
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Speaker 1: happened to us? So that was a very unpleasant experience.
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Speaker 1: The rape exam, the shot of penicill and the shore
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Speaker 1: I didn't have a venerial disease. And then the morning
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Speaker 1: after pill so I didn't get pregnant, um, and then
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Speaker 1: I had to go home to a home that I
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Speaker 1: that um that I felt so violated and I hated.
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Speaker 1: So that's my story, and that's the news to print.
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Speaker 1: But that was over forty years ago and uh home
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Speaker 1: almost forty two now, and I have to say that
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Speaker 1: I'm not sorry it happened to me, Nancy. I'm not
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Speaker 1: sorry at all. I really think that the Lord had
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Speaker 1: chosen me to be victim number five because new eventually
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Speaker 1: I would turn my mess into a message and by
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Speaker 1: helping other women on reaching out to others, that I
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Speaker 1: would glorify him. So I am really um grateful and
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Speaker 1: I've met so many amazing folks through this journey. Just
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Speaker 1: it's just been amazing. So my my goal now is
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Speaker 1: just to reach out help other victims and let them
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Speaker 1: know that they're going to be okay. Um, they just
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Speaker 1: the most important thing they need to do is go
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Speaker 1: and get help, Go to a rape crisis center, talk
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Speaker 1: to someone that's been through something similar, because they will
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Speaker 1: remain a victim if they keep their fault the secret.
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Speaker 1: Because as we say in a A, we're all as
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Speaker 1: this case, Um, you know, justice was delayed. It wasn't swift,
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Speaker 1: but I can assure you it will be sure. Joseph
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Speaker 1: James DeAngelo has been called a lot of things by
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Speaker 1: law enforcement. He's been called the East Side rapists. He's
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Speaker 1: been called by Celia Ransacker, the original night Stalker, and
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Speaker 1: the Golden State Killer. Today it's our pleasure to call
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Speaker 1: him dependent. We have brought justice to the victims and
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Speaker 1: to their families in this case, through this arrest and
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Speaker 1: ultimately through the prosecution. Justice was delayed in this case
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Speaker 1: from six but we are here now and the prosecution
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Speaker 1: of this defendant will occur. For those of you just
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Speaker 1: joining us, the incredible arrest after decades of terrorizing women
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Speaker 1: and families, the arrest of one of the most prolific
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Speaker 1: serial killers our country has ever known, the Golden State Killer,
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Speaker 1: who turns out to be none other but a former cop. Listen,
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Speaker 1: he is an ex officer, a police officer in two
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Speaker 1: different agencies, one in the Exeter Police Department, which is
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Speaker 1: down in Visalia from approximately nine to nineteen seventy six UM.
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Speaker 1: That was roughly during the time as the Vicelia Ransacker
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Speaker 1: cases were occurring. I can then say that he applied
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Speaker 1: for and got a job with the Auburn Police Department,
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Speaker 1: was employed there from roughly nineteen seventy six to nineteen
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Speaker 1: until he was fired. Well, very possibly he was committing
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Speaker 1: the crimes during the time he was employed as a
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Speaker 1: peace officer, and obviously we'll be looking into whether it
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Speaker 1: was actually on the job or whether it was, you know,
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Speaker 1: something that by on the job, I assume you mean
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Speaker 1: during the time he is employee doing yet I don't
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Speaker 1: know that yet, but obviously that's a question that we're
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Speaker 1: gonna want answer as well. Jane Carson Sandler one of
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Speaker 1: the Golden State Killers victims, the fifth victim who managed
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Speaker 1: to live to tell the tale. Author of Frozen in Fear,
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Speaker 1: A True Story of Surviving the Shadows of Death. Jane,
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Speaker 1: your book is incredible. Frozen in Fear, a True Story
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Speaker 1: of Surviving the Shadows of Death. Jane Sandler, does your son,
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Speaker 1: who was then three at the time and with you
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Speaker 1: in bed when the Golden State Killer intruded. Does he
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Speaker 1: have any recollection of this? He um. I didn't actually
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Speaker 1: talk to him until he was in college, Nancy. When
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Speaker 1: I did tell him, he remembered that we had a
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Speaker 1: robber in the house, but other than that, and he
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Speaker 1: remembers he was moved and where he was moved. I
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Speaker 1: don't know whether it was back in his bedroom, whether
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Speaker 1: it was on the floor next to the bed, I
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Speaker 1: don't know. And I just wonder if if there's any
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Speaker 1: underlining ETSD going on there. I have no idea he's
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Speaker 1: he's doing so well, and uh, we don't really talk
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Speaker 1: about it very much, but he's doing really well. Thank you.
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Speaker 1: What does he do today? He's in the military. He's
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Speaker 1: a lieutenant colonel. Wow, aren't you proud. I'm very proud,
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Speaker 1: very very proud. Yes, very proud with me. In addition
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Speaker 1: to Jane Carson Sandler or Paul Haynes, who researched the
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Speaker 1: book I'll Be Gone in the Dark, and Billy Jensen,
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Speaker 1: who an investigative journalist who went through all of Michelle
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Speaker 1: McNamara's raw chapters to put together her book I'll Be
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Speaker 1: Gone in the Dark. To Paul Haines, now I know
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Speaker 1: there are many murders linked by DNA, murders linked by
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Speaker 1: m O method of operation, as well as nearly two
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Speaker 1: hundred crimes. Listen, the answer was and always was going
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Speaker 1: to be in the DNA. Okay, we knew we could
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Speaker 1: and should solve it using the most innovative DNA technology available.
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Speaker 1: At this time, we had no idea that this killer
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Speaker 1: was connected to so many other crimes. But thankfully, with
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Speaker 1: the advent of DNA in the late nineteen eighties, our
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Speaker 1: understanding of this case, its depth, it's complexity, it's geographic reach,
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Speaker 1: and the sheer scope of violent crimes changed forever. We
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Speaker 1: recognized at that time we were dealing with a serial killer.
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Speaker 1: UM the terms of the type of DNA, the only
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Speaker 1: thing we're prepared to say at this time is that
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Speaker 1: it was linked through DNA, using current and innovative techniques
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Speaker 1: to do that. M As for the other crimes that
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Speaker 1: we know in California, as your live that you've been handed,
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Speaker 1: there's many of them that match by DNA. It is
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Speaker 1: the same DNA as those that have been charged in
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Speaker 1: the Venture case UM as Mr Tawton mentioned, but those
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Speaker 1: that they just haven't been charged yet, and we're just
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Speaker 1: having gone to that point. This is happened at a
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Speaker 1: very lightning speed, is what I would say to Paul Hanks.
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Speaker 1: Could you clarify for me how they are linked. Sure,
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Speaker 1: all the crimes in northern California were linked at the
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Speaker 1: time by m O is a very distinct m O.
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Speaker 1: It was clear that all of those crimes were the
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Speaker 1: work of the same offender. UH was investigated in the series,
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Speaker 1: and there was public knowledge of the series to the
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Speaker 1: point of hysteria. In Southern California, the links were not
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Speaker 1: as clear, and aside from the Santa Barbara crimes, which
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Speaker 1: were clearly recognized as a series, each crime was investigated
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Speaker 1: by a different agency, and some agencies disagree on whether
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Speaker 1: or not there were connections at the time, and after
24:00
Speaker 1: ten years passed from the last crime, which was the
24:04
Speaker 1: murder of Janelle Cruz in Um, the DNA links began
24:09
Speaker 1: to emerge once the Orange County Crime Lab and the
24:12
Speaker 1: Ventura County Crime Lab began to re examine their biological evidence.
24:17
Speaker 1: By two thousand one, links had been established among six
24:22
Speaker 1: of the crimes in southern California, and those crimes were
24:25
Speaker 1: linked by DNA to the East Area rapist series in
24:29
Speaker 1: northern California, as biological evidence had been preserved from three
24:34
Speaker 1: of the rapes in Contra Costa County, but those three
24:37
Speaker 1: rates were strongly linked by m O to the rest
24:39
Speaker 1: of the series. They're all indisputably the work of the
24:42
Speaker 1: same offender. Almost speechless at the number of crimes, rapes
24:48
Speaker 1: and murders this guy has committed, committed basically under our noses.
24:53
Speaker 1: Guys from Paul Haynes, who researched the book, I'll be
24:56
Speaker 1: Gone in the Dark, and that's a very significant title,
24:59
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna let him explained why this guy's m
25:02
Speaker 1: O in case you're saying, well, that could have been
25:05
Speaker 1: anybody's not linked by DNA. No, it's this guy. He
25:09
Speaker 1: originally targeted women, either alone or with children, Like you
25:14
Speaker 1: heard Jane Carson Sandler. Her husband had just left for
25:18
Speaker 1: work early in the morning, so early was dark outside.
25:22
Speaker 1: You know, he was watching right, But later he came
25:25
Speaker 1: to prefer attacking couples. His usual m O was to
25:30
Speaker 1: break in and wake up the couple, threatening them with
25:35
Speaker 1: a handgun sometimes a knife. They were bound with ligatures
25:40
Speaker 1: that he brought with him to the scene, blindfold and
25:46
Speaker 1: or gag the victims with towels or sheets that he
25:51
Speaker 1: took from the home and would cut into strips. The
25:54
Speaker 1: way you heard Jane describe it. The female victim was
26:00
Speaker 1: often made. You tie up the man with bootlaces. That's
26:04
Speaker 1: consistent with what Jane Samer has just told you before
26:09
Speaker 1: tying herself up. In many cases, the tying was so
26:14
Speaker 1: tight that victims had no feeling in their hands for
26:17
Speaker 1: hours after they were untied. He would then separate them
26:22
Speaker 1: and often stacked dishes on the back of the man,
26:26
Speaker 1: who would then be faced down, stating that if he
26:30
Speaker 1: he the killer, heard the dishes rattle, he'd kill everybody
26:34
Speaker 1: in the home. And this is what is so bizarre.
26:37
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to youth Cheryl McCollum on this. He
26:40
Speaker 1: would spend hours at times in the home, ransacking closets,
26:45
Speaker 1: going through drawers, as Jane just described, going in the
26:48
Speaker 1: kitchen and eating. She said he was banging pots and
26:52
Speaker 1: pans so loudly she could hear him back in the bedroom,
26:55
Speaker 1: clearly not afraid he was going to be caught, not
26:58
Speaker 1: afraid at all. Nathy, he had thought them, he had prepared.
27:01
Speaker 1: Not only would he bring things liv him, but after
27:04
Speaker 1: he selected the home. He would leave pools around the house,
27:08
Speaker 1: he would leave windows unlocked. He was the most organized
27:13
Speaker 1: rapist I think I've never studied. We also believe that
27:16
Speaker 1: he may have traveled by bicycle to and from his
27:20
Speaker 1: car so his car would not be spotted. I mean
27:22
Speaker 1: the level of planning involved. To Michelle Cruz, the sister
27:30
Speaker 1: of the twelve murder victim, I did not mention this
27:36
Speaker 1: to Jane, but to Jane and Michelle, I'm I'm sorry,
27:41
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly sorry for what you have lived through. Michelle, tell
27:48
Speaker 1: us your story. Um, Janelle was killed. N I got
27:54
Speaker 1: a phone call so the next day from a friend
27:56
Speaker 1: and I have been up in Ma'am with mountain skiing.
28:02
Speaker 1: I am moved up there for a couple of months
28:04
Speaker 1: for the snow season. And my friend called and she says,
28:08
Speaker 1: I think you need to sit down And I said
28:11
Speaker 1: why and she says, well, her sister was murdered. And
28:16
Speaker 1: I said, I said, my sister got married. She said, no,
28:20
Speaker 1: your sister was murdered. And it was really hard to
28:23
Speaker 1: process at that time. I I just um, I couldn't
28:26
Speaker 1: believe it. I was stuck in a snowstorm. I couldn't
28:29
Speaker 1: get how my mom was in Cancoon, Mexico with my
28:34
Speaker 1: little brother, and so I just sort of sat there
28:38
Speaker 1: alone for the next couple of days in the snowstorm,
28:42
Speaker 1: thinking about what she had told me. And it's crazy
28:44
Speaker 1: because for the next twenty years I lived in a
28:48
Speaker 1: sort of a kind of a bubble. I don't even
28:51
Speaker 1: remember what happened. I think I just I don't know.
28:54
Speaker 1: I was in some kind of denial or something. I'd
28:57
Speaker 1: have these nightmares thinking that she was going to come
29:00
Speaker 1: act and oh my stars, Michelle Cruz, you're you're giving
29:04
Speaker 1: me flashbacks. After my fiancee was murdered shortly before our wedding,
29:09
Speaker 1: for years, I would have dreams that he was secretly
29:14
Speaker 1: alive somewhere and that he had just wanted to back
29:17
Speaker 1: out of the wedding and didn't want me to find out,
29:19
Speaker 1: and that everybody was in on it and I didn't know.
29:22
Speaker 1: Then there would be dreams where he would have somehow
29:26
Speaker 1: medically be brought back to life. And then there were
29:29
Speaker 1: dreams or he would be struck by lightning and be
29:31
Speaker 1: brought back to life. There were just so many wild,
29:35
Speaker 1: fantastical dreams. I I mean, I'm a j D, not
29:40
Speaker 1: an empty but I arm chair figured out that it
29:47
Speaker 1: was a way of I guess, of my subconscious trying
29:50
Speaker 1: to accept or make sense of, or or grapple with
29:55
Speaker 1: his his senseless murder. And also you said, for twenty
30:00
Speaker 1: years you're in a bubble. Can I tell you Let's see.
30:03
Speaker 1: Let mean, it was well over twenty years after Keith
30:08
Speaker 1: was murdered that I would allow myself to actually be
30:16
Speaker 1: in a relationship committed and Mary I would not marry.
30:21
Speaker 1: I mean as a result of that, I was died
30:24
Speaker 1: in childbirth, giving birth late in life, and my daughter
30:28
Speaker 1: almost died. And that is how one of the ways
30:34
Speaker 1: that murder in nine nine affected me. I mean decades,
30:40
Speaker 1: So there's used chunks of time I can't remember, events
30:44
Speaker 1: I can't remember. And so please, no, there's nothing wrong
30:52
Speaker 1: with you. It's just it's a hard thing to deal with.
30:58
Speaker 1: But I think victims need to your your words, So
31:00
Speaker 1: let me stop talking, and you go ahead. It's true,
31:04
Speaker 1: it's very, very hard. And the dreams were constant. I mean,
31:08
Speaker 1: I had the dreams where she was in the military
31:11
Speaker 1: and she just didn't want to see the family for
31:13
Speaker 1: a while, and she'd come back in a year and
31:15
Speaker 1: she'd hied out with other people. She wouldn't want to
31:18
Speaker 1: come home. These are my dreams that I had a
31:20
Speaker 1: dream that maybe a couple of weeks later, that a
31:23
Speaker 1: man pool guy was walking on the side of our
31:27
Speaker 1: yard where our bedroom was, got through our window and
31:30
Speaker 1: he was and he would walk. He walked to the
31:33
Speaker 1: back of the house to clean the pool, while in
31:36
Speaker 1: reality we didn't have a pool um. But you know
31:40
Speaker 1: that the guy in my dream, his face was so clear,
31:44
Speaker 1: so I thought that, you know, Jenday trying to tell
31:46
Speaker 1: me who this guy is. And then there for a
31:48
Speaker 1: long time people suspect that it could have been a
31:52
Speaker 1: pool cleaner or someone at the pool um. But yeah,
31:56
Speaker 1: for a long long time I lived like that, and
31:59
Speaker 1: I barricade myself in my bedroom and had always have
32:02
Speaker 1: my lights on and things under my door, my my
32:06
Speaker 1: door knob so nobody could break in, and dressers up
32:10
Speaker 1: against my window so nobody can break in through the
32:12
Speaker 1: window because I have something blocking it on the inside. Um. Nowadays,
32:18
Speaker 1: I have surveillance cameras and window alarms and all kinds
32:21
Speaker 1: of things around my house just to live comfortably. I'm
32:24
Speaker 1: never alone. I always have somebody here with me. Jane
32:28
Speaker 1: Carson Sandler and Michelle Cruise. Jane a victim of the
32:33
Speaker 1: Golden State killer who managed to live. Michelle Cruz the
32:38
Speaker 1: sister of the twelfth murder victim. And I hate to
32:41
Speaker 1: say it like that, Michelle, because it sounds like a number.
32:45
Speaker 1: It's Janelle Lisa Cruz. And Janelle was just eighteen years old.
32:51
Speaker 1: She was found bludgeend dead in her home. Her family,
32:57
Speaker 1: as Michelle just told you, was on of a cation,
33:00
Speaker 1: the mom, the brother, the whole family in Mexico. A
33:05
Speaker 1: pipe wrench had been reported missing by Cruise's stepfather, and
33:11
Speaker 1: it is thought that is the murder weapon. Janelle was
33:17
Speaker 1: viciously raped before her murder. We know that DNA links
33:25
Speaker 1: him to Janelle Lisa Cruz's death, and the bloodgeoning death
33:30
Speaker 1: with potentially a pipe wrench is so brutal, so brutal.
33:38
Speaker 1: Michelle tell me about Janelle in life. Janelle was very vivacious.
33:46
Speaker 1: She just had a magnetic personality. A lot of people
33:51
Speaker 1: would see her walking down the street and do double takes,
33:55
Speaker 1: triple takes. She was just kind of one of those
33:57
Speaker 1: people that stood out. And she was very sweet, really sweet.
34:02
Speaker 1: But you know, she was one year older than me,
34:05
Speaker 1: and so if anyone tried anything on me. She wasn't
34:09
Speaker 1: so sweet. So she was also you know, she had
34:11
Speaker 1: that fastood side. But at the time that she was murdered,
34:17
Speaker 1: she was looking for apartments and getting ready to start college. Um.
34:22
Speaker 1: She wanted to be a legal secretary, was the last
34:25
Speaker 1: thing that she told me. Um. So she was trying
34:29
Speaker 1: to get her life together. And I know that they
34:32
Speaker 1: found a newspaper on the kitchen table, you know, when
34:36
Speaker 1: they had found her, and there was some apartments circled,
34:40
Speaker 1: and yeah, she was just getting her life together. I
34:44
Speaker 1: wanted to move out of the house, you know, start
34:47
Speaker 1: her own thing. And so young and so beautiful, with
34:53
Speaker 1: so much ahead of her in life. It's the death
34:58
Speaker 1: of someone so young is bad enough, but to think
35:01
Speaker 1: they died in such a horrific way is another. Those
35:05
Speaker 1: of you just joining us. Finally, police managed to snag
35:09
Speaker 1: through sophisticated DNA, the so called Golden State Killer, one
35:14
Speaker 1: of the most prolific serial killers our country has ever known.
35:19
Speaker 1: His name Joseph James D'Angelo Jr. A former cop. This
35:25
Speaker 1: defendant has been able to live free in a nice
35:28
Speaker 1: suburb in Sacramento. Our team is gonna work hard to
35:35
Speaker 1: make sure that he never gets out. Billy Jensen, thank
35:38
Speaker 1: you for being with us investigative journalists who exhaustively went
35:42
Speaker 1: through so much, so much information to put together Michelle
35:48
Speaker 1: McNamara's book, I'll Be Gone in the Dark. Michelle, you know,
35:53
Speaker 1: had written so much of this book. You know, we
35:56
Speaker 1: call it an obsession in the the subhead of the book.
36:00
Speaker 1: She definitely was. I mean, she was all about this.
36:03
Speaker 1: She wanted this case solved. And you know, I think
36:06
Speaker 1: with with the book coming out and her husband, who
36:10
Speaker 1: was the comedian Patton Oswald, going on a book towards
36:13
Speaker 1: we really are bringing this story to light and bringing
36:16
Speaker 1: this killer to life. To Paul Hainess, researcher on the
36:20
Speaker 1: book I'll be Gone in the Dark, what is the
36:22
Speaker 1: significance of the title I'll be Gone in the dark
36:26
Speaker 1: he used He used that phrase or variations on that
36:29
Speaker 1: phrase with at least three victims, and you know, those
36:33
Speaker 1: are words that are designed to inflict terror. I think
36:36
Speaker 1: as much as this offender was a killer and a rapist,
36:39
Speaker 1: he was also a terrorist, and I think that was
36:41
Speaker 1: his primary objective was to control and terrorize his victims
36:46
Speaker 1: and to hear the phrase you'll be silent forever and
36:49
Speaker 1: I'll be gone in the dark. As a threat, that's
36:51
Speaker 1: bone shilling. That reminds you that you're up against a
36:54
Speaker 1: faceless killer who will will slay you and get away
36:58
Speaker 1: with it. And I think that everything that he did
37:03
Speaker 1: with his victims was designed to play into a specific fantasy,
37:08
Speaker 1: that he had a specific script that he was trying
37:11
Speaker 1: to follow. And oftentimes victims would report that it sounded
37:16
Speaker 1: as though he were reading from a script. And you
37:19
Speaker 1: mean the phenomena a paraphilia, a sexual perversion or deviation
37:25
Speaker 1: where it's all about um situations, fantasies, behaviors, and it
37:33
Speaker 1: it that attraction has been labeled as a fetish. The
37:37
Speaker 1: fact that you're telling me it sounded like he was
37:40
Speaker 1: reading from a script or he would always say the
37:42
Speaker 1: same words over and over. It almost sounds like the
37:45
Speaker 1: movie Groundhog Day, where that you keep reliving the same
37:48
Speaker 1: day to try to perfect it. He kept reliving the
37:50
Speaker 1: same crime over and over, Paul. And you know, he
37:55
Speaker 1: would ask the victim a question, and as soon as
37:57
Speaker 1: the victim began answering, he would he would say chet.
38:00
Speaker 1: You know, there was there. He had no interest in
38:02
Speaker 1: actually engaging with the victim. It was purely about enacting something.
38:10
Speaker 1: And you know, the stalking, the surveillance, this is all
38:13
Speaker 1: part of obviously a pattern of behavior that was titilating
38:19
Speaker 1: to this offender. And you know, when you consider the
38:22
Speaker 1: exhaustive number of hours that he invested in this activity,
38:28
Speaker 1: you know it must have consumed a sizeable portion of
38:31
Speaker 1: his life. To Billy Jensen investigative journalists who helped put
38:37
Speaker 1: together I'll Be Gone in the Dark by Michelle McNamara, Billy,
38:42
Speaker 1: let's weigh in on what his m O tells us.
38:47
Speaker 1: What more can you tell us about his modus operandi?
38:50
Speaker 1: The most frightening serial killer I've certainly ever ever encountered,
38:55
Speaker 1: because you know, you think about the serial killers in
38:58
Speaker 1: history son of saying he was the people were outside,
39:01
Speaker 1: you know, they were on Lover's lanes, or the Zodiac
39:04
Speaker 1: Keller who spilt but that you know, you can't think
39:06
Speaker 1: of anything more secure than being in your own home.
39:10
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that's the the idea that
39:14
Speaker 1: this guy probably was didn't have power in his life,
39:18
Speaker 1: and this is how he was exerting power. You know,
39:21
Speaker 1: he had this second life that he was that he
39:25
Speaker 1: felt this need to exert his power, this power over people,
39:28
Speaker 1: and that was what this was about. You know. I
39:32
Speaker 1: think Paul really hit the nail on the head there
39:34
Speaker 1: that this guy was a terrorist. The sex was was
39:38
Speaker 1: definitely part of the motivation, but it wasn't the main motivation.
39:42
Speaker 1: Um The sex was being used for powers. I read
39:45
Speaker 1: a very old news article from about nineteen seventy seven
39:49
Speaker 1: on microface and it said that noise outside may have
39:54
Speaker 1: curved this guy that ton. He was referred to as
39:57
Speaker 1: the East Rapist now the Golden State Killer. It was
40:00
Speaker 1: a group of noisy teenagers hanging out on a corner
40:04
Speaker 1: that may have saved a Foothill Farms woman from becoming
40:07
Speaker 1: the twenty eight victim of the East Area rapist. The
40:12
Speaker 1: sheriff stated that a man believed to be the East
40:17
Speaker 1: Area Rapists now the Golden State Killer, who had assaulted
40:20
Speaker 1: at that time twenty seven other women, broke into a
40:24
Speaker 1: woman's home around eleven thirty on a Friday night, tied
40:28
Speaker 1: her up. The victim, in her thirties, roamed through the
40:31
Speaker 1: home about two hours, but then because of the noise outside,
40:37
Speaker 1: he suddenly heard a burst of sound by a bunch
40:39
Speaker 1: of teen boys. He left. Now We know that the
40:43
Speaker 1: husband was not at home at the time, as did
40:48
Speaker 1: the Golden State killer. There was a child in the home,
40:52
Speaker 1: just like Jane Carson Sandler told us. Her three year
40:55
Speaker 1: old son was in bed with her, but the child
40:58
Speaker 1: slept through the incident. This is chillingly familiar. The resident
41:06
Speaker 1: chosen for the attack was the second attack and the
41:10
Speaker 1: same area. Most of the East Area rapes occurred in
41:16
Speaker 1: an unincorporated area of the county. It went on and on. Here,
41:23
Speaker 1: the elements of the m O we're almost exactly the same.
41:29
Speaker 1: He comes in, the victim is asleep in bed, she
41:32
Speaker 1: wakes up. She this woman woke up with a flashlight
41:36
Speaker 1: shining in her face, just like Jane Carson Sandler did.
41:41
Speaker 1: She could not give a description because he had his
41:46
Speaker 1: face covered. He moved her from the bedroom to another room,
41:50
Speaker 1: the same way he moved Jane's son. I mean, the
41:54
Speaker 1: similarities are so striking. We also know that he assaulted
42:00
Speaker 1: a thirteen year old girl after he tied up her mother.
42:06
Speaker 1: According to this sheriff Paul Haynes, many people don't realize
42:11
Speaker 1: a thirteen year old little girl had been one of
42:14
Speaker 1: his victims. Yeah, there were there were I think there
42:16
Speaker 1: were two thirteen year old girls that that had been
42:19
Speaker 1: attacked by this offender. I think the last one of
42:21
Speaker 1: the last victims in Contra Costa was thirteen or fourteen
42:25
Speaker 1: years old. You know, the age range was quite broad,
42:29
Speaker 1: from early teens to late thirties. And just to address
42:34
Speaker 1: some of the things that you've you've mentioned, um, you know,
42:38
Speaker 1: the srapists did not always go through with the sexual assault.
42:41
Speaker 1: And in the case of the victim you were describing, um,
42:45
Speaker 1: it's likely that he was deterred by the teenagers outside.
42:49
Speaker 1: In other instances, it's not quite clear why he didn't
42:51
Speaker 1: proceed with that element. Um. You know. But again, as
42:55
Speaker 1: as Jane was saying, Jane didn't actually Jane didn't specifically
42:59
Speaker 1: remember the sexual assault. And this is something that crops
43:03
Speaker 1: up again and again and the reports in the interviews
43:07
Speaker 1: with victims. The sexual assault element itself was rather unremarkable,
43:11
Speaker 1: you know, it was the least memorable element in many
43:14
Speaker 1: instances of the attack. And you know, these instances where
43:18
Speaker 1: the ear as as we call him for short, did
43:21
Speaker 1: not proceed with the sexual assault. You know, we we
43:24
Speaker 1: still look on at those as as her attacks, you know,
43:28
Speaker 1: because all of the other elements were present. Let's talk
43:31
Speaker 1: about the phone calls and the hang up calls that
43:35
Speaker 1: surround a lot of these cases. Well, can you tell
43:38
Speaker 1: me about that, Billy Jensen. Well, one of the things
43:40
Speaker 1: that he would do is what and there there is
43:44
Speaker 1: some controversy as to whether they are connected or not.
43:47
Speaker 1: But he would call and I don't know if he
43:51
Speaker 1: called anybody that that's on this panel, but he would
43:53
Speaker 1: call people who if he had attacked. How how could
43:57
Speaker 1: that not be connected? It could have been somebody that
44:00
Speaker 1: knew the person had been attacked and decided to just
44:04
Speaker 1: mess with them. Well, there's so many of them, right,
44:06
Speaker 1: there's so many of the hang up calls and the calls.
44:09
Speaker 1: I mean, You've got one victim gets a call that says,
44:14
Speaker 1: I'm going to kill you. I'm gonna kill you, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch,
44:18
Speaker 1: and it's that same evening. I don't know who else
44:21
Speaker 1: would have done that. And actually, I'm sorry that that
44:25
Speaker 1: called that the victim did received. I called the same
44:27
Speaker 1: eating she was attacked. She received that call year and
44:30
Speaker 1: a half after the attack. But other victims had received
44:33
Speaker 1: similar calls, but not with the same burbage. Let's say
44:36
Speaker 1: here I'm reading the transcript of January two. Later that evening,
44:41
Speaker 1: the same victim received another call, much more sinister in nature.
44:45
Speaker 1: The call was also recorded and identified by the victim
44:50
Speaker 1: as being the voice of the assailant earlier in the evening,
44:53
Speaker 1: She's going to kill you. Earlier and evening she had
44:56
Speaker 1: received the one number call um, but the attack was
45:00
Speaker 1: an as prior to that, and you think that may
45:02
Speaker 1: have been someone pranking her, and possibility, I think most
45:07
Speaker 1: likely that was the offender. Okay, because I thought you
45:09
Speaker 1: said that they were not connected. I said that there's
45:12
Speaker 1: controversy that they might not be connected. You know, I
45:15
Speaker 1: think anthy We want to be cautious in our vage
45:17
Speaker 1: because these are things that have not been conclusively linked.
45:20
Speaker 1: So let's assume, for for for a moment, that it
45:22
Speaker 1: was a crank. To assume or to take as fact
45:26
Speaker 1: that that was that was the offender, you know, that
45:29
Speaker 1: could potentially send you in the direction of a red herring.
45:31
Speaker 1: So we believe that it most likely was the offender,
45:33
Speaker 1: but we want to also allow for the possibility that
45:36
Speaker 1: it was not. You know, if you look at the
45:38
Speaker 1: again the police reports, you see hang up calls and
45:41
Speaker 1: wrong number calls and all sorts of phone calls associated
45:44
Speaker 1: with not not not merely the victims themselves, but neighbors
45:48
Speaker 1: of the victims, which I think also indicates that rather
45:51
Speaker 1: than choosing a particular victim, this is an offender who
45:54
Speaker 1: targeted neighborhoods. And that's really important, Nancy, is that you
45:57
Speaker 1: know the the the when we talk about the m O,
46:00
Speaker 1: the neighborhood that he chose, particularly when we're talking about
46:04
Speaker 1: Sacramento and Rancher Cordova. You know, you can do geographic
46:08
Speaker 1: profiling of his attacks. When you've attacked so many people
46:13
Speaker 1: in an area, you can see that he obviously either
46:16
Speaker 1: worked or lived in a specific area and or at
46:22
Speaker 1: least had a lot of business being there, maybe you know,
46:25
Speaker 1: had a girlfriend there or something, and would go outside
46:28
Speaker 1: late at night and work this area. Because when you
46:30
Speaker 1: plot it out of the map, it's pretty clear that
46:33
Speaker 1: he probably um had something to do with that area
46:38
Speaker 1: and was in what a lot of people's figure is
46:41
Speaker 1: maybe a buffer zone in the middle of where all
46:44
Speaker 1: these attacks were too. Jane Sandler joining me. Jane, when
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Speaker 1: you hear the discussion of the m OS and possible clues,
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Speaker 1: what do you make of the clues that have been
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Speaker 1: left behind, particularly all the crank calls, the threatening calls,
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Speaker 1: the slurs on women that were in many of the
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Speaker 1: calls to the crime victims. Many of them state that
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Speaker 1: they had a series a spate of hang up calls
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Speaker 1: and obscene calls and just unusual calls, wrong number calls
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Speaker 1: around the time of the attack. What do you make
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Speaker 1: of that, Jane, He's just trying to cause more fear
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Speaker 1: and more terror. I had hang up calls before and after,
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Speaker 1: and he never said anything, but he would just stay
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Speaker 1: on the line, and I just knew, I just knew
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Speaker 1: it was him. I did have my phone wire tapped,
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Speaker 1: but unfortunately they were never able to connect the source.
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Speaker 1: But that's just causing, you know, more fear. I did
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Speaker 1: have them in my notes that occurred with Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to one of his calls that we have obtained. Listen, yeah, now,
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Speaker 1: hang up phone calls he was victims seemingly a big
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Speaker 1: part of the Golden State Killers. EMO police believe he
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Speaker 1: got the victims numbers from burglarizing or casing their homes
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Speaker 1: ahead of time. He would call both before and after
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Speaker 1: the attack, maybe to figure out his targets, whereabouts or
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Speaker 1: is Jane is saying to further terrorize the victim. What
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Speaker 1: do you make of that? Jane? That again was just
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Speaker 1: that was his m oh. That was what he was
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Speaker 1: all about, fear and terror. And that's why I named
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Speaker 1: my book Frozen in Fear, because that was the emotion
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Speaker 1: that was overwhelming. That was the one that that was
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Speaker 1: really stuck out to me. But you know his m
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Speaker 1: o of the clenched teeth, speaking through the clenched teeth,
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Speaker 1: and the shut up up. I mean if he said
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Speaker 1: shut up once, he said it, you know, ten times,
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Speaker 1: and his his tearing of the sheets, and I mean definitely,
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Speaker 1: you know, it was the same person every time, every time,
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Speaker 1: every time. And then to you know, follow that up
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Speaker 1: when you think that you know, you're beginning to heal,
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Speaker 1: and then you get a phone call and it's a
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Speaker 1: hang up again. Even today, the last time there was
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Speaker 1: a show UM on TV about this case. UM. A
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Speaker 1: few days later, I had five hang up phone calls
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Speaker 1: one one and UM three three times one day and
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Speaker 1: to the next. Now, after forty some years, that really
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Speaker 1: frightened me. So we put an alarm system on our
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Speaker 1: home just because of those five phone calls, those five
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Speaker 1: hang up phone calls. Now, do I think it was
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Speaker 1: the easterea rapist? No, but it was a prank. But
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Speaker 1: that prank was enough to really frighten me, and even
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Speaker 1: you know, if the phone rang right now and someone
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Speaker 1: were to not even to breathe, that just to you know,
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Speaker 1: is it a solicitor or is it the theory rapist
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Speaker 1: or is it you know, just someone that's just trying
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Speaker 1: to play with my head? But it never goes away. Nancy.
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Speaker 1: For the ladies who are brutally great in this crisis scene,
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Speaker 1: sleep better tonight. He isn't coming through the window. He's
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Speaker 1: now in jail and his history. We are committed, we
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Speaker 1: are determined, and we will God willing hold this man
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Speaker 1: fully accountable for his crime. Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off, goodbye,
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Speaker 1: Frank