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Ms. Evelyn the Matriarch: A Two-Part Braxtons Season Finale Recap with Dustin & Blue · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
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  Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
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  Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey
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  Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and
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  Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the
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  Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in
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  Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
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  Speaker 1: scripted as well. All right, rain Drops, we are back
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  Speaker 1: for another installment of the Braxton's recapin I am joined,
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  Speaker 1: of course by Dustin and we got Blue.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we do. Happy to have you Blue.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you guys for having me.
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  Speaker 4: This has been so.
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  Speaker 2: Fun, hasn't it.
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  Speaker 5: It's been a great time in the way you'd be
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  Speaker 5: breaking this shit all the way down.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. We're gonna start.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna behave this week.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna behave. I promise, I'm gonna be so so
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  Speaker 3: so behaved.
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  Speaker 5: No Burning Blue this week, I'm gonna start calling you
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  Speaker 5: burning Blue like that Mariah song, like.
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  Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I actually love me too.
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  Speaker 5: Is gorgeous. She needs to write for other people to fun.
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  Speaker 5: Fact she writes all of the music by herself.
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  Speaker 3: Performers.
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  Speaker 4: Wait, waits, you didn't know that?
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  Speaker 5: No, And so I have like a tremendous amount of
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  Speaker 5: respect for Mariah the scientists now because the lyrics are
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  Speaker 5: actually what drew me into her music in the place.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I.
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  Speaker 1: Just told my age I thought we were talked about
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  Speaker 1: Mariah Carey.
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  Speaker 4: Oh us, okay, look at you. That's blue.
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  Speaker 3: You've ever said, are you serious?
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  Speaker 2: Blue?
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  Speaker 4: Blue Blue? I know I have the face of a
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  Speaker 4: twenty five year old.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 6: Rich, but blue blue, that's look at it? Doesn't have said,
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  Speaker 6: Oh you did know that? Like I thought, Carre wrote
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  Speaker 6: her song not me and.
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  Speaker 7: Me another Mariah with with with bad tasting Ben who
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  Speaker 7: gossip on on jail birds.
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  Speaker 5: That Mariah we knew Mariah Carrey got down with that
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  Speaker 5: p Mariah Carry clicked that big so fast and write
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  Speaker 5: ahead on your ass.
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  Speaker 2: Expediously all that.
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  Speaker 5: Ship, big three syllable one marriage. You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 5: I love all right Carry. But yeah, I was so surprised.
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  Speaker 5: Shout out to Mariah a scientists and her skills with
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  Speaker 5: the pen. I did not know that she wrote all
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  Speaker 5: that music by herself.
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  Speaker 3: I was impressed the stronger than the Yeah, oh I
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  Speaker 3: just heard it.
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  Speaker 4: Oh people I dated back in the day, I gotta
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  Speaker 4: you know what you're strong.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I said, I was my line. Okay, so yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the is up. Let's do this.
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  Speaker 4: Let's do this.
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  Speaker 7: My mercury is an aries. I communicate like an aries.
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  Speaker 7: Even when I'm being soft, I might knock all this
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  Speaker 7: shit over.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that. I feel seen. I know.
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  Speaker 4: I am constantly around aries.
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  Speaker 1: And it's funny because back in the day it was
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  Speaker 1: all scorpios. My ax is a scorpio. I my my look,
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  Speaker 1: my ex best friend. Of all these years of scorpio,
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  Speaker 1: I've always been around scorpios. But nowadays, at my big age,
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  Speaker 1: I'm surrounded by aries, and I gotta say one thing
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  Speaker 1: of my areas that I do love.
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  Speaker 4: You guys are beautifully honest.
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  Speaker 2: I'm an.
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  Speaker 3: I don't claim the aries in me. I fight it
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  Speaker 3: every day.
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  Speaker 2: Come on over to the dark side.
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  Speaker 4: I'm oh, I know what it is. I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Dust's in a mood because I forgot dust. It is
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  Speaker 1: gay our day after five, p yo, let's.
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  Speaker 2: Get it all.
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  Speaker 5: It's the weekend. You know the motto all you do
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  Speaker 5: is this is the motto for the whole weekend.
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  Speaker 3: About or whatever this is before you let it out.
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  Speaker 4: I like mood.
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  Speaker 2: You want my schedule? You know my schedule. You know
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  Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know your schedules.
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  Speaker 7: But no Dustin you and the other finance black men.
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  Speaker 7: I saw y'all on that stage. I was very related.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, ste I got my life. That's my boy.
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  Speaker 5: Shout out to Obio Jones, Shout out to Deontay Kyle,
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  Speaker 5: and shout out to my boy Steve Sanders. And the
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  Speaker 5: biggest shout out goes to the beautiful and name and
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  Speaker 5: he for giving us her platform to have a great conversation.
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  Speaker 5: Shout out to everybody at Revolt. That was a really
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  Speaker 5: dope experience. Thank you for for knowing that. Blue, I
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  Speaker 5: appreciate that. Thank you for watching.
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  Speaker 4: And just to tell the range Jos where they can
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  Speaker 4: watch it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can go on.
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  Speaker 5: So if you go to YouTube to the Revolt YouTube
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  Speaker 5: channel and you look up The People's Brief, the name
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  Speaker 5: of the show is The People's Brief by Lene Venie.
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  Speaker 5: And we were so blessed to be able to moderate
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  Speaker 5: a discussion on black masculinity and the many facets and
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  Speaker 5: dynamics of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we really just scratched the surface. So hopefully we
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  Speaker 2: get to do it again. But it was really great,
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  Speaker 2: great group of guys, great minds. You know.
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  Speaker 5: I like being around smart people. I was just soaking
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  Speaker 5: it up. I was a sponge.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we got up in there, didn't we. It was good.
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  Speaker 5: So, you know, it was a great experience. And I
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  Speaker 5: love working like that in that capacity. I love being
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  Speaker 5: able to share ideas and kind of just just put
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  Speaker 5: a conversation out into the world that's gonna make motherfuckers
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  Speaker 5: be better.
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  Speaker 2: So I was grateful.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you, Blue, Thank you to everybody who was a
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  Speaker 5: huge Thank you to Lena, Thank you beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: So you guys been watching that, and apparently a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people are watching our Braxton's recap, including some family
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  Speaker 1: members all the legends.
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  Speaker 4: So and you see, is anybody happy?
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  Speaker 7: Did anybody call the lady afterwards and maybe do some introspection?
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  Speaker 4: People are watching.
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  Speaker 3: I'm used to it. I don't mind it. Let's do it.
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  Speaker 6: Check the table, Blue, how has your feed been?
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  Speaker 1: Because listen, Dustin, uh his name is Dustin. I don't
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  Speaker 1: recomments rass. So it's so Dustin is far removed from it.
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  Speaker 1: He is used to being the topic of conversation, but
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  Speaker 1: Blue being introduced into this wild world of recapping the
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  Speaker 1: Braxtons weekly. I can't wait to get to this to
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  Speaker 1: our finale that aired tonight.
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  Speaker 4: But how has a feedback ben for you?
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  Speaker 1: Because doesn't I said this to you earlier? We really
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  Speaker 1: do appreciate your educational ways of dissecting the dynamics of
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  Speaker 1: this sibling robbery that's occurring.
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  Speaker 4: On this show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 4: Have you beginning any dms?
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  Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing. I feel like the people who
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  Speaker 3: are used to me know to expect this.
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  Speaker 7: You know, I'm very consistent. Those who are new to me,
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  Speaker 7: I will say this. I am compassionate, not nice, like
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  Speaker 7: niceness is performative. Nice by definition, simply means I want
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  Speaker 7: to be agreeable and stroke your ego. I'm a self
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  Speaker 7: mastery coach who specializes in ego death. So just because
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  Speaker 7: you're mad at me, does it mean something good's not
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  Speaker 7: still happening?
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  Speaker 1: I hire you to just follow me around life and
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  Speaker 1: to talk to me about every move I make.
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  Speaker 7: Oh what's his name? Jonathan Major tried to hire me.
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  Speaker 7: I was like, sir, I got I got too much
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  Speaker 7: going on. Wait, it's an exclusive we're be had to pay. Well, okay, yes,
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  Speaker 7: there's a long list of people who have pulled me
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  Speaker 7: aside what a dollar and said please help me.
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  Speaker 2: That's a compliment. Blue means a huge one. Yeah. That
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  Speaker 2: means that.
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  Speaker 5: People are like, you know what, I'm willing to be
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  Speaker 5: vulnerable to her. That means you the ship and he's huge.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the thing. Everybody is human.
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  Speaker 7: So I see all the sisters as human beings, which
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  Speaker 7: is why whenever we try to teat treat them like
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  Speaker 7: purely victims or purely superstars, I clock out because to me,
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  Speaker 7: all I see is human beings going through human ship.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, and that's watching yeah no, listen, listen, listen.
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  Speaker 1: On aside, I will say this, the one thing I
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  Speaker 1: always pride this podcast or doing is working with people
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  Speaker 1: who are here.
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  Speaker 4: Just being honest.
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  Speaker 1: And you didn't have to even say it, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: glad you did because I think now we could frame
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  Speaker 1: it that way. The three of us, including Claudia, Ebony
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  Speaker 1: K Williams, anybody who I've had the chance of working
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  Speaker 1: with on this platform, we look at everyone as humans,
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  Speaker 1: not as just entertainers. We are very honest about no. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I'm friends for this person in real life. So there's
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  Speaker 1: a little bias there or not, you know, like we
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  Speaker 1: were very honest about that too, But there's there's no
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  Speaker 1: hitting agenda, and I think that's the reason why a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people do tune into this. And I do
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  Speaker 1: get a lot of dms from people who we do
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  Speaker 1: talk about and they give me their feedback. And the
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  Speaker 1: beauty of this is this It's been good feedback and
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  Speaker 1: I'll leave it at that.
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  Speaker 2: That's what's up.
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  Speaker 3: It is.
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  Speaker 2: Ain't nobody here trying to hurt nobody.
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  Speaker 5: There's a lot of other places you can go to
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  Speaker 5: for that type of content. Some people call it mess
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  Speaker 5: it's just got some content or whatever. And if that's
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  Speaker 5: what you're into, cool, But that's is not what we
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  Speaker 5: do on this show in particular. So hate to disappoint
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  Speaker 5: your ass, but you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: Over here. Sorry, So no, I'm glad.
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  Speaker 1: So listen, let's get into this two our season finale
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  Speaker 1: that I think may be called the series finale because look,
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  Speaker 1: as a producer in the business and as somebody that
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  Speaker 1: also had a show that had a two hour season finale.
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  Speaker 2: That show did not come back.
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  Speaker 4: So what I it's sort of.
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  Speaker 1: It sort of feels like and listen, I have no
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  Speaker 1: insider information, because if I did, I would tell you all.
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  Speaker 1: I think a two hour finale on this show indicates
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  Speaker 1: that maybe the show is not going to come back.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with all of you. We'd love
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  Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts after watching this two hour season finale.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what the.
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  Speaker 1: Next season of the show would feel like the difference
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  Speaker 1: between a show like this from Housewives, Bell Collective Love
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  Speaker 1: and Marriage Love and Hip Hop Batties, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean? Like the difference with these shows. Shout out
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  Speaker 1: to Dustin Ross the difference with those shows. Everybody replaced
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  Speaker 1: the Bow Family, isn't You can't do a show about
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  Speaker 1: the Braxtons and not have the core group of the
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  Speaker 1: family film together and based on this two hour season finale,
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  Speaker 1: I honestly, and Blue, I'm looking forward to your dissection
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  Speaker 1: of this from a global educational standpoint. I don't see
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  Speaker 1: a world where these sisters can film again and it'd
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  Speaker 1: be enjoyable to watch and they actually want to be
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  Speaker 1: around each other. So, before I get to you, Blue, Dustin,
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  Speaker 1: what about your thoughts on the to our finale and
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  Speaker 1: where do you think the show goes from here?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well you brought up a very interesting POV on that,
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  Speaker 5: because I didn't even consider that it was indicative of, like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, no more story to tell basically, right, I
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  Speaker 5: was thinking, you know, Thanksgiving its next week. This show
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  Speaker 5: airs on Friday nights, Like you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, maybe they're trying to get it out
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  Speaker 5: instead of compete with everybody being distracted next week during
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  Speaker 5: this normal airing time, and we're at the end of
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  Speaker 5: the year.
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  Speaker 2: You know, everything in the world, well in our.
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  Speaker 5: Business typically shuts down after the fifteenth of November anyway,
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  Speaker 5: So I was just like, maybe they're trying to expedite
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  Speaker 5: the ish the ending of this season.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of do see.
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  Speaker 5: The show being able to come back next season, but
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  Speaker 5: they're going to have to create some sort of contractual
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  Speaker 5: rule that obligates them to film together. It can't be
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  Speaker 5: disjointed filming, it cannot be You're almost going to have
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  Speaker 5: to basically sign their their experience a way to being
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  Speaker 5: in the same space for the for the.
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  Speaker 2: Entirety of the season.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I think, because don't nobody want to watch
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  Speaker 5: them arguing, you know, in that way or talking about
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  Speaker 5: how they're not going to don't nobody want to watch
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  Speaker 5: them reach your daddy? And I'll just put it like that.
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  Speaker 5: I think Twanda spoke in some very final ways. She
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  Speaker 5: used some words and phrasing that was very final, right Blue,
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  Speaker 5: And I feel like that was premature because as you
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  Speaker 5: can see, Tamar pulled Trina's hair and kicked her, and
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  Speaker 5: they still came back together to film at the Sister's
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  Speaker 5: retreat their quotes. So I don't know, you know, I
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  Speaker 5: feel like there is a pathway back, but it's going
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  Speaker 5: to have to be structured with a view toward an
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  Speaker 5: enjoyable viewer experience. But you would know far better than
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  Speaker 5: I will, Carlos, because you make this shit.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see, well, yeah, but to your point, will we'll
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  Speaker 1: see because at the end of the day, money does talk.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, go ahead, Blue, and the money is loud depending
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  Speaker 7: on how much, but it depends on who the money
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  Speaker 7: is talking to. I will say this, I think this
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  Speaker 7: season confirmed for a lot of people because I went
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  Speaker 7: in the comments of other people's stuff, including us, carlosk.
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  Speaker 7: I did some research, you know, the anthropologist in me,
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  Speaker 7: I said if there's some market research on what the
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  Speaker 7: audience is saying about this finale, regardless of what my
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  Speaker 7: education is telling me, right, Like, I wanted to see
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  Speaker 7: what what everybody was saying emotionally speaking, without over the
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  Speaker 7: overwhelming sentiment that I saw on every platform. The aggregate
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  Speaker 7: sentiment was we came for Tony, we stayed for Tamar.
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  Speaker 1: Whoa I was studying everywhere I went.
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  Speaker 3: It was the theme.
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  Speaker 7: And I think everybody's having to sit with what that
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  Speaker 7: means because it's clear that, you know, I did make
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  Speaker 7: some jokes about the Lilac and Doodoe Brown wedding, but
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  Speaker 7: the wedding was gorgeous, because I'm not a hater.
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  Speaker 3: The wedding was.
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  Speaker 7: Beautiful, beautiful wedding, right, And I will never jokes about
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  Speaker 7: that because I love love and I love seeing how
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  Speaker 7: obsessed her man is with her, Like I want all
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  Speaker 7: people to know what it's like to see another black
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  Speaker 7: person love on you that way, right, And So I
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  Speaker 7: think in Twanda's mind, this was going to be her
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  Speaker 7: main character season, and I think when it started to
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  Speaker 7: hit her that that wasn't gonna happen.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's why she was like, well, there's no
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  Speaker 3: reason for me to come back.
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  Speaker 7: And that's why the finality that that doesn't picked up
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  Speaker 7: on started to creep into her language. Right, all the
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  Speaker 7: little moments where she thought she would be centered, somehow
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  Speaker 7: she was still off of center.
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  Speaker 3: And here's the thing.
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  Speaker 7: There's nothing wrong with one in your main character moments,
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  Speaker 7: especially when it's your wedding. There's nothing wrong with wanting
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  Speaker 7: to be centered when you're about to be celebrating love.
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  Speaker 7: It's just you guys know what I feel about cannibalizing
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  Speaker 7: your sisters to do it, and also Miss.
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  Speaker 2: Evelyn cannibalizing them.
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  Speaker 4: I'm trying to keep it straight, saying.
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  Speaker 2: Do you want to right now? I'm laughing at night.
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  Speaker 5: I don't get the day I'm laughing, and that.
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  Speaker 3: You want to keep that girl up.
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  Speaker 4: Blue Blue.
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  Speaker 6: I'll be good until Dunfin cracked a smile and laughed,
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  Speaker 6: and I'll be like, fuck, no, look tell statistically know
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  Speaker 6: when when it happens.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just going over there trying to kill a black
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  Speaker 3: that girl and you was so funny.
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  Speaker 7: Is the moment that made it clude to me that
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  Speaker 7: you guys were writing previous breakdowns about the lack of
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  Speaker 7: a matriarch and how Tony is the closest thing to
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  Speaker 7: a matriarch, but Tamar is the one who wants so
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  Speaker 7: badly to act like a matriarch. Was the wedding when
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  Speaker 7: Tony went to her mama and said, so, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 7: go tell Twanda right that our sister had a medical
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  Speaker 7: emergency and in her rspand almost died and and that's why
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  Speaker 7: she's not here.
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  Speaker 3: And the mother was like, Miss Evelin was like, girl,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know about that.
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  Speaker 7: Let me go talk to mister Rufus real quick and
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  Speaker 7: get a little dancing like Miss Evelyn was saulst to
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  Speaker 7: the girls up and tapped out that poor Tony had
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  Speaker 7: to figure out how to be a latch key mom
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  Speaker 7: at the damn wedding. I got a glimpse to that
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  Speaker 7: job that one scene. Miss Evelyn was not about it.
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  Speaker 7: She was like, oh, girl, okay, y'all do nothing, y'all
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  Speaker 7: do look the check cleared, My wig is straight. I
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  Speaker 7: don't have time for this. And so Tony running around
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  Speaker 7: trying to play mom, and then finally telling Twanda and
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  Speaker 7: to Wanna saying I wish you had told me ninety
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  Speaker 7: minutes ago so I wouldn't have been stuck in ambiguity
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  Speaker 7: for so long. That tells me everything I need to
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  Speaker 7: know about what happens when the latch key babies have
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  Speaker 7: to figure out how to make their own mashed potatoes
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  Speaker 7: because mom's at work. That scene told me everything I
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  Speaker 7: needed to know about why it's babies raising babies and
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: why the matriarch figure and who's supposed to fix this
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: has never arisen and the closest we have is a
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: Libra superstar with a fresh haircut, worried about her next
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: music video like it's a going on.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Those are my opening thoughts. Let me choll.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: Okay, well, let's listen.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Let's let's let's dog into that, because again, I know
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: that the top of I'm sorry. Towards the end of
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: last week's recap, we did talk about starting this conversation
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: with the finale, but also with Evelyn, with miss ev
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: excuse me because I'm a respectful black man raising Detroit,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: So Miss Evelyn, apologize, I will never call you by
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: your first name. Apologies, Miss ef You obviously found the
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: perfect way to bring this up, because.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: Listen, that scene is.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Indicative the dynamic of what's happening, and before we get
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: into the sit down between Tamar, Trina and Tony.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Which, by the way, he told me everything I needed
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: to know.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: You are vindicated and.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: So oh yeah, they call that a lot of stuff.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: I'm just waiting till we get there. That's it. I'm
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: just waiting till we get there. We can't hear you
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: those Carlos.
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: Your voice went out. See they got one. They got
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: one of the Braxton lawyers to turn off your mic friend.
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: You be careful.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: It's some damn airprids.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Oh he is high tech. Yeah, and that microphone.
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: I wonder where he got that microphone from.
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: Ye, I don't know, changing colors and ship Okay, this
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: grady and ass microphone. Where you get this from?
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: I like you can hear you, you and your fancy
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: micro still. Oh he's on mute. Well that's just mute.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: My bad. We're back.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Yay, we're back.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Technical difficulties Okay, sorry, it's the spirit of a Braxton
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: all right.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: So we I will say is this what I will say?
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Is this.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: Yes?
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: No, apologized because you yaked my wing.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: That We'll get to that. That was easy. We'll get
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: to that, okay, miss eval, Yes, sorry again.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: We talked about how Tony Brackston said publicly, and these
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: are her words, not mine. I would have sword exact
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: words was sword if it wasn't for my sisters. She
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: talked about feeling guilty because every time she achieved something,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: her mother would say, don't forget about your sisters. Blue
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: just clocked it when Trina had to leave the wedding
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: early due to bond her husband dealing with a heart
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: issue that he has congest.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Heart failure, which is a very serious thing, by the way,
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: So I'm glad they did lead. Tony was running around
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: figuring out do I tell her?
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: The mom was like, nah, don't do it, and she did,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: and Tomanta said, you should have told me earlier, which
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Tony had an instinct to do.
• 21:22
  Speaker 7: So.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: With all of that being said, in addition to the
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: fact that they have never filmed a scene where the
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: mama was told about her daughter's fighting verbally and a
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: little bit of physical, what is the sort of role
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: that Miss Evelyn has or any when it comes to
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: the dynamic of her daughters.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, do your thing, boo ladies.
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: First, you know what I'm saying, because it's simple for me,
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: It's a very simple answer.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: I feel like.
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: Miss Evelyn is a slave to optics, and that there
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: are certain conversations that she would need to have that
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: would not look.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Good on camera, and that she's kind of created this pact.
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: With the girls and as long as it looks good,
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: we're fine, and you know, being in church, that whole
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: first lady energy. As long as it looks good, we're fine.
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: Don't embarrass the family. I think the need not to
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: embarrass herself for their family often is more pronounced than
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: her need to safeguard their psychological safety.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: And I think.
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: Also to seeing how Miss Evelyn doesn't know how to
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: frame things for them brings my compassion level way up
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: for the girls. Why they have to like almost vie
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: for attention and affirmation in the way that they need
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: because their mother will be soothing, their mother will look fabulous,
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: their mother will will you know, be very very lovely
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: on camera. But unless she's cussing out their daddy, she's
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: not having those hard conversations. And it makes me sad
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: for them because when Tamar was saying, hey, it's four
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: against one, like, I just want somebody to feel like
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: somebody standing up for me.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: If nobody's just gonna stand up for you, it would
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: have been your mother, you know what I mean.
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: And even when they said, oh, we're crying over Tracy
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: not being there, because it's always been meet you know, Trina,
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: Tracy and Twanda, I was like, well, we know why
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: Toy's not included because she's on the private jet, but
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: why didn't.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Y'all include There's just all these things that.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: A very.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: I'll say this, I think miss Evelyn wasn't taught so
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: she couldn't teach it.
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: I think she wasn't taught how to be an individual
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: within the community, and so she didn't know how to
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: give that to her girls. And so the things that
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: she's normalized for herself, she's normalized in them. But unfortunately
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: for her, we're in a different time where people and
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: I have the Internet and they're like, wait a minute.
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: The therapist lady on TikTok said, I'm allowed to have
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: a voice and be a singular person, and she's kind
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: of like, you know, chicken, little if I just turned
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: my head away, it's not there. But avoidance is not healing.
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: Avoidance is not healing, and I honestly I feel bad
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: that I feel like these girls don't have a mother.
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: They might just have a sixth or fifth sibling. It
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: doesn't feel like their mother is showing up as a matriarch.
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: And honestly too, I will say this, Can we all
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: just acknowledge even the people who hate Tamar, because I
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: know the saarapheop go on here who get mad, we
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: humanize Tamar? Can we all acknowledge that in that scene
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: that happened after she missed the wedding, the first thing
• 24:20
  Speaker 7: she said was how was the wedding? And how there's
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: something so vulnerable in asking that question as soon as
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: you see your sisters, because that's the little girl and
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: you saying, hey, I want to know what I missed
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: because I wasn't included. I want to know what I
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: missed because I wasn't included. And when Tony said are
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: you coming, she said I wasn't invited. And then Tony said,
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: well pride. I can't believe that's not pride, that's that's her,
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: that's discernment. Why would I show up in a space
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: where I'm not wanted even though I want to be there?
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: And so I I will say this, miss Evelyn disappoints
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: me deeply. And also, you can't talk about people's momas
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: without them getting defensive, and I fear that the girls
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: wanting to defend their mother will stop them from admitting
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: that their mother is a human being who failed them
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: in some ways. I think miss Evlin has failed them.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, for me, it's pretty black and white, right, So
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: miss Evelyn is a black mother, black parent of a
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: certain age. The only two rules that people really had
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: because there were so many external factors that they had
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: to prioritize, if for being honest, societal factors, right that
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: when it came to rearing their children and parenting their
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: children at that time, don't do what I tell you
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: to do and don't disrespect me. That's it, right, And
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: a lot of times any introspective conversations that really built
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: up your development or kind of challenged that in some
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: way that wasn't disrespectful, were deemed disrespectful and therefore it
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: did not happen. And I think that these women have
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: carried that rationale will call it right into the way
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: that they engage with their mama as adults. They still
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: even like Trina when they were having and whatever the
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: healing moment was that they had at the retreat, and
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: Trina was associating it was something that would contradict her faith.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: There was a posturing of like defiance and I'm not
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: doing it because I was told no, i ain't and
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: like a fear based thing. That to me is the
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: same exact energy that they all have when it comes
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: to their mama. And I get it because you know,
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: I'm a black man of a certain age, right, and
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: so I understand it. But I also can understand how
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: that sort of allegiance to respect, and allegiance to a
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: certain model of respect, I say, can betray and be
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: detrimental to any sort of real progress, any sort of
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: real evolution, any sort of real development. Miss Evelyn today
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: is a completely different woman than she was when she
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: was an in home mother of those four young, five
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: young four young five five young ladies, you know what
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: I'm saying. And their brother, you know what I'm saying.
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: She ended up going through a divorce, She went through
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: a situation with some infidelity or her husband.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: You know, he moved on.
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: Those are things that can cripple you, especially a mom,
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: someone who had devoted their life to being a wife,
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: a mother, and a figurehead in the church.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: That's that completely uproots all of that, then your daughter
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: gets famous. You know what I'm saying. It's just a
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: lot of stuff to manage. And I think Miss Evelyn
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: is tired, y'all. I think she's tired. And I think
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: that instead of coddling that antiquated, archaic model of respect
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: and reverence for your parents, now is a better time
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: than ever to connect with their mama as women.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: Tiwanda's newly married, Tamar's divorce and embarking on a new,
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: you know, chapter in her life. Trina has experienced the
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: loss of a partner and now you know, she's managing
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: her husband's health in addition to being a mama. We
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: don't know what's going on with Trina's sons because they're
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: not a part of this, So there's other shit she's
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: dealing with too that we don't even see her talk about.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: You feel me? So I think Miss Evelyn just had
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: a lot to manage. And I think that it's time
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: for all the sisters to, like unlearned some things when
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: it comes to their level of transparency and the way
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: that they connect with their mother. And I think if
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: they dig a little deep, Miss Evelyn will feel comfortable
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: or maybe they can like break that.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Whatever their veil is, it's.
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: Keeping them from keeping it real, almost in the name
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: of being respectcause I'm mama taught us that.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: I'm Mama taught us. Now we don't, we wouldn't talk like,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: we wouldn't raise everything raised like that. She did say that, Yeah,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: everything's framed like that, you know what I mean?
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: And nobody gives it damn about about that. I'm trying
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: to be respect respectful as possible. Nobody cares about how
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: y'all showed up with regard to the Black American model
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: of respect for your parents that we all understand and
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: it here too.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: We get that.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: But who are you you know what I'm saying, what's
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: really going on? And how are you going to work
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: towards resolution? That's what I see.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: No, so I agree with the both of you. You know, obviously,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: same thing raised by the same mom and dad of
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: my nine siblings. It's ten total, same household until my
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: mom passed away five six years ago.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Same house, three girls, seven boys.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: There is this sort of veil and facade that one
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: has when you are raising children and you want the world,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: the neighborhood to see you as one way when you're
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: really dealing with some real shit. So we be bossing
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: that and that is true. The thing about Miss Evelyn
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: that I don't think has ever truly been dissected. And
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I really wanted Miss illanovan Zad when she was a
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: guest on the show. I really wanted her to focus
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: more on Evelyn than the daughters, because I do think
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: children you are sort of a product of your the
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: way you were raised in some cases not all this
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: some cases.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: And one thing that I've always felt day.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: One, because I've watched this show since season one and
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I watched behavior, Miss Evelyn has never gotten over her
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: ex husband cheating on her. It is still written all
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: over her face. And one thing I know about Black
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: women who are around miss Evelyn age. I'm sure we
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: know a plethora of Black women who around her age
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: who husbands may have passed away and they never remarried.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: They never you know, women are grandmothers, great grandmothers, husband cheated,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: they don't get remarried. If they pass away, they don't
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: get remarried. There's a pain that they just don't deal with.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Miss Evelyn said on the show once.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: And I want to read it to you and Dustin.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: And this is a quote.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: She said that the whole town knew her husband and
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: was cheating, and nobody told her a thing. I quote
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: she said, they were sleeping together in my bid for
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: ten They were sleeping together in my bid for ten
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: long years.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: Who would ever get over that?
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Is down right, low down and disgusting that you would
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: bring another woman with her big draws and candles lit
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: into my bid like it's something special. She made it
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: clear that forgiveness does not mean forgetting, and that's how
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: she feels, right, But she said to herself that.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: Who would ever get over that?
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I think Miss Evelyn has dealt with that, and this
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: is no shade to obviously this woman, because I would
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: never do that, tons mother, now that you guys would either.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: I think what we've learned as adult children of parents,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: of course, is the fact that I would never judge
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: the things my parents did because they only did what
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: they knew how to. And I think miss Evelyn not
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: being able to heal from that, I think it does
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: have a direct reflect on how the daughter's relationship is,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: because you can't teach your daughters to really forgive each
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: other and forget about what happened because she hadn't done
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: that to her ex husband that she had these kids with,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: and that, to me, is is indicative of exactly the
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: behavior she has.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: And I could not agree with you morralbleuu about the
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: fact that she.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Doesn't want to deal with whatever is happening to her
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: daughters because she has to focus on this, on this facade, right.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: And it hit me and I never thought about this
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: until now. We know for a fact that it was
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: displayed in this EF so, I mean it has been
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: displaying all the episodes, but the girls got access to footage.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Yep. The girls have editing control.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: It hit me today that maybe Miss Evelyn did have
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: a scene where she learned about.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: It, and maybe it never made the light of day
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: because they didn't like how it looked. I never I
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: never thought about that.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: I did until now that that that that they could
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: have tape a scene that was removed because there's no
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense that you never had a
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: combo with your daughters about what happened. But now it
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: makes sense. You guys, did y'all looked at it? I
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: think she probably said, I don't.
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: Know, no, do you know what I mean, do you
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: know how I knew that that scene actually happened, because
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: there's no way in how a producer would pick as
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: a first choice to watch you bringing candles to Tina's
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: office talk about faise on Love. I said, well, this
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: is fluff. What really happened? This feel like feeling, This
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: is not This is not prime times. These scenes like filler.
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: When they were sent around on the ikea furniture, smelling
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: candles and talking about face on Loves Bachelor Pad, I
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: was like, I feel like something juicy or happened, and
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: they had to find something wholesome to fill in with
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: Miss Evelyn because Miss Evelyn's real scene was too much.
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: And I want to point out the quote that you
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: just read, Carlos, What did you just read in her
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: own language? The worst thing that's ever happened in my
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: life that I am determined not to get over is
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: being embarrassed. And what did I say that Mark's biggest
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: sin was in the very first episode when I came
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: on here. Timark's biggest sin in that family is being embarrassing.
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: And they have a mother who has taught them it's
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: okay to never forgive somebody who embarrasses you.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, I know where to start. I don't even know
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: where to start.
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: Okay, first of all, so let's let's keep it right
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: here when we saw I'll just say this, I'm totally
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: down to watch a show where they can break a
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: fourth wall, pull out a laptop and look at a
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: four cam shot of the same scene.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: And break it down.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: I'm like, if this choose your own adventure interactive ass
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: version of the Braxton's is what we're about to watch,
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: then bring on five more seasons, because this is how
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: we get down to some answers. And what I saw
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: at that table, sitting around that table when they were
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: in California and Malible, if I'm not mistaken, was each
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: of their production company logos that's displayed at the end
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: of the credits every week. I saw Tamar's director chair
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: right there in front of the computer. I saw a
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: treehouse treating its production company sitting right there. And I
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: saw Tony Braxton TV. You know what I'm saying, I
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: seen Tony Braxton sitting right there. Og came out the
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: way that that sort of check and balance system is
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: necessary in a group of personalities like this who can
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: take state in an occurrence right and put value in
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: an occurrence, and then it has to be proven whether
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: that happened or not. I think that this is that
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: when we add in these if those women sit down
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: with the powers that being said, listen, in order for
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: us to participate, we got to have a media access
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: to all the footage, every shot, every scene. We need
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: to be able to call that, we need to be
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: able to break the fourth wall and talk to the producers.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: We got to have those kind of layers in place
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: in order for this scene to work.
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: I'm with it because that makes it a totally different
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: show that I'm watching, which is interesting. And now there
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: is a there's a device that they're using, right, which
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: is this system of checks and balances like, uh, let's see,
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: let's just watch and see. You know what I'm saying,
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: And so I enjoyed that. So if that's what we're
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: gonna get, bring that on.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Renew that. You know what I'm saying.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: If everybody come in with the laptop, listen, did.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: You see Trina's face. It's the quiet moments where Trina
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: tells them herself. She said, has Tamar seen this before I.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Even watch it?
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Seen it?
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: Yep, that there was these nasty quiet moments with Trina
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: where I was like, we have to unpack this, because
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: what you're saying in that moment is I'm not curious
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: to see if I remembered it correctly and open to
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: apologist if I got it wrong.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: I want to know if I messed up, and I
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: have to get ready for another fight.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: Well, let's also be clear that the whole, the whole
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: disagreement they have is based upon a situation that directly
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: involves Trina. So even though she did not give the
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: person that a lot of people are assuming to be
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: their brother, that they assumed that was the brother's name
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: that they're remuting out. Even though she did not say, hey, suit,
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: put you know, put a cease and desist, which we
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: can have another conversation about that, because I'm so tired
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: of a ceasing desist being equated to stopping somebody's business.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: But anyway, I don't she did.
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: She although she did not say, hey, place a cease
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: and desist on this conversation, she did provide them with
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: the attorney's information, and she would held that piece when
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: they were discussing it at the restaurant in the first
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: damn place, when tame flipped out and the read you
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: have to then that then begs the question why would
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: she want to aid that conversation being stopped or muted,
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: And it's because it's gonna, like Blue said, I believe
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: last week or the week before, it's gonna expose some
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: or she assumes that it's going to expose some sort
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: of bad behavior or something that she knows was not
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: the right thing to do that she did in this situation.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: And so Trina did. I hate to say it because
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: I enjoyed Trina on this show, but I don't.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Hate to say it because it's an observation, right.
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: I did peep that Trina was kind of not even
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: kind of Trina wasn't honest and forthcoming in that conversation.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: Because when they were at the restaurant in the first place,
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: when Tamar turned around and did like this, when they
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: had that conversation, that was the time for Trina to say,
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: you know what, Tamar, No, I did not send you that,
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: but I definitely did pass the lawyer's information to them
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: because I don't want that conversation to happen either.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Is bringing up a lot of pain.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: I don't feel good about the part I played in it,
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: and honestly, Tamar, I did not want that conversation to
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: come to light. And that's why I was angry with you,
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: because I felt like you understood that and you did
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: it anyway.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: That's all she had to say that you go.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: Death dustin that.
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: I mean, if a dog can me, I would be
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: a cat like that's not her nature. And I will say,
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: this is a word called darvl. Do y'all know what
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: darvro is? And we talked about dar on this before time.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: R V O, D A, R and D.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Have you ever gotten into an.
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: Argument with somebody because they did something that was blatantly
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: hurtful to you, something that a complete stranger would admit
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: was hurtful, and you go to them to tell them
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: that they've hurt you, and by the end they're mad
• 39:43
  Speaker 7: at you for being mad at them.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Now hold on that. I feel agree party get in it.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: That's called darvl.
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: It means deny attack and then reverse victim and offender.
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: So what happens with darvo is the person who has
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: done something wrong will be the that is at the
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: table because they rather pretend they're mad and have been
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: harmed than admit how they were complicit, then just.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: Say you don't like me, and don't pretend to want
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: a solution because that completely blocks all progress being made and.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Just covering up a cover up allegedly. Right, if I
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: have some.
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: Think about it, let's let's trace it backwards. God like
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: to reverse engineer these things. Right, Bear with me if
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: I carry shame around being someone who froze and was
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: complicit by freezing. When a miner in my family told
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: me a story that put me in a rough spot, right,
• 40:43
  Speaker 7: and had I been of sound mind and body, I
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: would have.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Advocated for the truth.
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: But instead I advocated for the optics, because that's why
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: I was taught by my mother and my family and
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: my church and everybody else.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Right. And then years go by.
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: Of my sister, particularly Tauanda, telling me, well, I'm a
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: victim to it happened to me too, even though it
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: technically I have actually happened to the minor, and I'm
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: told that's okay. Then one day the miner grows up,
• 41:07
  Speaker 7: it comes back from Spain and wants to start singing
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: like a canary bird about what happened. And in this day,
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: in an age of TikTok, a decade or so after
• 41:15
  Speaker 7: how it happened. The audience is now primed to see
• 41:19
  Speaker 7: her point in the way they probably were, and I.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: Wasn't when it originally happened.
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: Then, my sister, the most embarrassing one, is the one
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: who is carrying this torch for her right and about
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: to have an ex fos where I am concerned that
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: my part will be double clicked on in a way
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: that it never has before. And my brother allegedly says,
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: y'all know, I don't even want to be on the show.
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: You think Rob Kardashian's a ghost in the machine. I'm
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: about to change my name to Larry right. I don't
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: want no parts of this.
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: Stop stop stop stop stops stop stop stop that I
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: mean because I happen to get it out, but please finish.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I never realized that with a family full of sins,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: there's a one brother that the one brother in the
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Kardashians and the one brother in the Bractons want nothing
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: to do with this reality show.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: Wow, go ahead, looke, because we all know.
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: That when you are looking at a gender group from
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: a distance, you can see their collective mess better than
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: they can when when men are looking at women, When
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: women are looking at men, when the gay community is
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: looking at everybody else, they're like, what is they doing?
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: This is weird?
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: Right, you're the other It actually gives you a better
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: vantage point, right. So the brothers like I don't want
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: to be pulled into this, and this is my daughter, right,
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: and she has the Braxton face. I, Trina, I want
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: you to stop this.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: You and I. You think it's a coincidence that who
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: he went to to get the information?
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: Trina, you and I are the two who are gonna
• 42:40
  Speaker 7: look the worst if this comes out, because I'm her
• 42:43
  Speaker 7: daddy who didn't do shit, and you the auntie who
• 42:45
  Speaker 7: didn't do shit.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Do you know somebody who can help me? And Treta's like,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know who.
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: This is a boot, but I don't want to get involved.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Me out of it, right.
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: So she's complacent, but because then it in a way
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: where she can say, my name is not on the deed, right, right?
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: And so he does this and here's the thing I
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: need try to understand about the business part. And I
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: do want to double click on this. Several of my
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: friends is not a flex. A lot of my friends
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: are Grammy Award winning artists, and they're getting paid from
• 43:12
  Speaker 7: their podcasts, not from singing. They're getting paid from appearance
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: is not from music, right, the consumption that Tamar's business
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: is singing and being a star. Respectfully, I get paid
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: more on YouTube than I did working for iHeartRadio.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: A lot of times, the.
• 43:29
  Speaker 7: Hustle that looks the smallest is actually what's keeping you
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: afloat for the optics of the hustle that.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: Everybody else is clapping for.
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: So I do believe that in Tamar's mind, as somebody
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: who's been in business conversations that might have included her
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: potentially and the bags were big, I do believe that
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: in her mind, this media persona, that she's doing this,
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: this podcast and all her stuff, in her mind, that
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: is her business. It's the thing that's probably feeding her
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: a lot more steadily than the music sometimes. Right.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, But friend, I'm talking about perception, and I think
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: that's why the tape scene was so important.
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: You're about to talk about reality. I'm talking about Tamar's perception.
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: And we tend to operate from perception, not objective reality.
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: So in my mind, I'm thinking I have been signs
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: for my sisters, and I love them and for some
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: reason we're good off camera, but like she said, Trina,
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: why are you so mad at me on camera? And
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: I now believe in my research it's because they all
• 44:21
  Speaker 7: can feel in their gut they showed up for Tony
• 44:23
  Speaker 7: and stay for Tamar Hoole different discussion. So now Tamar
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: sees her little niece going through something that she can
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: relate to for reasons that she probably hasn't even clocked herself.
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: So she's thinking, well, I'm doing something good. She talks
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: to Tony, and Tony's like, yeah, that Ashley thing was concerning, let.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: Me do the vores. That Ashley thing was concerning. I
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: didn't know much about it, but that is concerning. Maybe
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: we should have her on the Braxteds.
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: She goes off thinking that she has her sister's co
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: signed to support Ashley, but then Toni starts talking to
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: Twanda and Trina, and then she.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Realizes, oh, snap, this might implicate my.
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: Sister, right, So suddenly she has to pull back on
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: the endorsement she gave Tamar. Tamar stinking she's running off
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: with the endorsement of Tony D. Braxon, not knowing the
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: other two in the middle have actually changed the waters
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: because you know how libras are. Whoever gets them last
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: and smells the best is gonna get their ears right. Whoever, whoever,
• 45:15
  Speaker 7: whoever talks to them last and smells the best and
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: strokes them into some Oh you do you do make sense?
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: I know, I just saw her. I agree, But you
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: make sense now too. So now Tamar stinking she.
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: Has an endorsement that she does not have, not recognizing
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: that Trina has a vested interest in silence in this
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: and her brother's already in cohoots.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: With her allegedly allegedly allegedly.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, which is why, which is why Tamar kept saying,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: you did not have my back. You were defending me,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: and Tony took them as a global I always defend you,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: and Tamar said, I'm talking about in this moment.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: And you're the one who put the battery in my pack.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: So why are you with them?
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Because you are our second mother, So my second mother
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: as a baby sister, who is just good my second
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: mom as my baby says, he gave me the go
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: ahead to do it, and when I did it, you
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: didn't put me up.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: On game, saying, look, bitch, they about to do X,
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: Y and Z.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: And That's why Tony kept saying the finale, I did
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: not know you were being.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Served, which I believe her. I believed know she was
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: being served. But you knew that to blues point, you
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: knew that your assist and your.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Brother, who have the most to lose, contacted your best
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: friend who happens to be a lawyer that you speak
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: to on a Delhi basis, So you knew that a
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: conference was happening, although you get your sister the greenlight
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: to do it, because you know, at the end of
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: the day, your sister looks up to you.
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: And you were relying on the technicality of the name
• 46:43
  Speaker 7: not You were relying on the technicality of your name's
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: not being on the document to shield you.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: You were.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: I feel like at the end of the day, Tamar
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: was relying on the technicality of being able to say
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: that her sister tried to shut her businesses down. No,
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: I don't, but I think that you have to be
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: I think that you have to be specific about that
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: because I don't believe.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know, right, but I don't.
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: Believe she got a letter saying you have to stop
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: doing business as Tamar Braxton. I believe she got a
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: letter saying I believe she got a cease and desist
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: that you can't have this conversation with Ashley and to me,
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: to to frame that as you shutting down trying to
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: shut down my businesses. I'm a producer and a performer
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: and you're trying to shut down my businesses, that's a reach,
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: just like to me, it was a reach that she
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: said Trina put her hands on her and struck her,
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: and Tamar admitted that it was a reach.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: That was a reach, and I think that.
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: So I think that sometimes we of course these things
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: are Tamar's perception of these occurrences, but it is not
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: a license, right. Tamar hits her whole wagon of argument
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: right to the fact that they tried to shut her
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: businesses down and who was responsible for it. I want
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: to know who sent my address to that lawyer to
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: shut my businesses down.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: And she was very clear on that. And I personally don't.
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: See her getting a cease and desist not to have
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: a conversation at a live podcast event as someone trying
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: to shut her businesses down. And I think that that's
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: the problem Tamar can definitely if Tamar has shown a
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: capacity to kind of see something and then take events
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: and circumstances and build them to that conclusion rights conditioning.
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: Though I never even said it was paranoia.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it is.
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: That's what she's doing, you know what I'm saying, like,
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: that's why.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: No, No, I.
• 48:55
  Speaker 7: Think Tony Broxton, I don't think it was the ceasing assist.
• 48:57
  Speaker 7: I think it was Tony Broxton. If Tama had gotten
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: the cease and desist but Tony had her back, she
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: would not see it as them shutting down her business
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: like so perfect example, if I get a cease and desist,
• 49:12
  Speaker 7: but Tony says no. I talked to Tamar and told
• 49:14
  Speaker 7: her I thought this made sense. Suddenly you're thinking me
• 49:17
  Speaker 7: and Tony at least have each other's back, and I
• 49:20
  Speaker 7: can try to explain it to my sisters why this
• 49:22
  Speaker 7: ceased desistem But one was respectful because of how I
• 49:24
  Speaker 7: feel about my address and the death threats and my child.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: And number two because.
• 49:29
  Speaker 7: My brand that I am building and my heart is
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: attached to it, and so my money was also got
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: a hit. But the minute Tony does it about face
• 49:38
  Speaker 7: and then Tamar's perception and Tony even admitted it that
• 49:40
  Speaker 7: she lied, didn't have to.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: She did.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: She did the minute Tony.
• 49:44
  Speaker 7: Turns my her back on me, Tony, the star power
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: of Tony means where else am I losing the backing
• 49:52
  Speaker 7: that I need? And where else are they trying to
• 49:54
  Speaker 7: trip me up? I don't think it was singularly about
• 49:57
  Speaker 7: the podcast. The minute Toni Braxton turns on you, As
• 50:00
  Speaker 7: a co producer with a much bigger star power, you.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: Not have to be thinking what else am I going
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: to get in the mail?
• 50:06
  Speaker 7: And it creates this paranoia around if you can turn
• 50:08
  Speaker 7: your back on something that's elegant, where else you don't
• 50:11
  Speaker 7: not have my back as a co producer.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: And my sister.
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: That's the spot where we all have a little bit
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: of personal responsibility to the outcome of the events, right
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: and to what happens, because Tony Rexton's statement of support
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: to Tamar shouldn't hold that much weight in her life.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: She's got She's Jesus, you.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Feel what I'm saying.
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: And even though they have, Tamar still is responsible for
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: her own life, and she's responsible for the way that
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: all of those decisions that other people may impact.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: What she does as far as her behavior is concerned.
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: In this case, even though that explains why she don't
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: do it right, but it doesn't negate the fact that
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: she should.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous that.
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: Tony's words held that much power in this situation, to
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: the point where you losing control and kicking your sisters
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: and blacking out.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: These are her words. She says, she blacked down, didn't
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: know what was going on. So my thing is, yeah,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: you know, wedding, everybody stopped breathing. Tony D.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: Braxton is about to talk for thirty seconds.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Then they should have asked her before before to Wanda
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: put them cowboy boots on.
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: If we're gonna give Tony power, then let's give her
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: the real power, right.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: I thought Towanda was a beautiful bride.
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: I was confused by the cowboy boots after because I
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: wore cowboy boots to Beyonce concert and the motherfucker's hurt.
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: I couldn't wait to take them goddamn boots off. So
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: I'm like, if she changed shoes to be comfortable while
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: was the cowboy boot to choice, but she looks she
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: was a beautiful bride though.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Real talk.
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: But I just feel like at a certain point we
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: can explain all this shit away. We all are affected
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: by so many things, but ultimately it's up to you
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: to kind of course correct, right, And I think that
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: especially when you got four people all at the end
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: for sure, you know. But even that though, let's talk
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: about that scene because fuck, fuck.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: The other ship. We know what's going on.
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: But but that last scene when her and Trina were
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: like trying to make some.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: Progress, I even felt like that was okay.
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: So now that I admitted it, what you're gonna do okay,
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: So now that I said yes to that, well, what
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: you're gonna do.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Well, you're gonna do it. I'm gonna do with it, okay.
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: It was very much like a push pull as opposed
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: to people just saying I don't like what's going on,
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: let me just enter this space with.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: A view to it like this that was looking for
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: something from you. You know what I'm saying.
• 52:35
  Speaker 7: I think I think you're a very healthy black man,
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: and I do think you're very mentally healthy. If you
• 52:39
  Speaker 7: if there was a neurotypical person on this stage, I
• 52:41
  Speaker 7: think it's you.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: No offense to me and Carlos, thank you, thank you,
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: because I feel like I'm.
• 52:49
  Speaker 7: You're very your brain is very aligned properly, but in
• 52:52
  Speaker 7: a neuro divergent brain, which trauma actually creates no divergence. Guy,
• 52:57
  Speaker 7: all those sisters have some form of Nord divergence induced
• 53:01
  Speaker 7: by trauma. Right in a Nord divergent brain. What happens
• 53:05
  Speaker 7: is and this is something Tamor has already shown. So
• 53:07
  Speaker 7: I've clocked it, like, and I don't want to diagnose.
• 53:09
  Speaker 7: Tamar is sometimes so much trying to make her case
• 53:12
  Speaker 7: that she doesn't read the room and it's not because
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: of egos, because of trauma. So when she looks up
• 53:17
  Speaker 7: and sees, oh, there's a way to fix this, she's like, bad,
• 53:19
  Speaker 7: let me fix it. Not what?
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, so that's why you're upset. You can't listen to me.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: And I've done this before.
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: Oh you're mad because I won't admit this one thing.
• 53:28
  Speaker 7: You mean, all I gotta do is is admit this
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: one thing, and you actually listen to me.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: Bet, I admit it. I'm wrong, That's what you needed.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: I'm wrong? Now what, Like, I really want to work
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: this out. That's actually not defensiveness.
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: That's an autistic nor divergent trauma induced thing that happens a.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: Lot that people misread a lot of times.
• 53:46
  Speaker 7: And so what that told me as a Nord divergent
• 53:48
  Speaker 7: person was she and I've done it before. She wants
• 53:51
  Speaker 7: so badly to fix it. Tell me what is stopping
• 53:54
  Speaker 7: you from being my sister? Please just tell me what
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: you need to be my sister again. I was having
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: Sunday with so I'll give it to you now. What
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: I miss my sister? Tell me what I need to
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: get my sister back. And she kind of voiced that
• 54:08
  Speaker 7: as best as she could, and so, and I want
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: to be clear, guys, we are never explaining things away.
• 54:13
  Speaker 7: We're explaining how people got there because the lack of
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: intentionality is important. Tamar doing something because her perception was
• 54:21
  Speaker 7: off doesn't excuse it, but it does take away the
• 54:24
  Speaker 7: tinge of malice, and that is incredible. So it's not
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: the way to say she didn't accidentally and it still
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: had an impact that needs to be accounted for, but
• 54:32
  Speaker 7: it wasn't the malicious intent that many people I miss
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: reading it as.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: Does that make sense?
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Perfect sense? Perfect? Yeah?
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: Because the thing is this, The thing is this.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: One of the things that I felt that that scene
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: gave me was Trina's. It's sort of like Trina knew
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: that her hand was called the cookie jar when Tamar
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: did ask her point blank, like, look, did you give.
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: So and so my information?
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: And she hmmm, she h she hung she looked in
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: the air, and then she finally said yes, which and
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: then take that long to know you did that, just
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: like you knew at the at the dinner scene, you
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: did it when she asks and you and you kept
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: quiet to me, listen, I am just gonna say this
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: because I honestly feel that way, and I really do.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: I feel like the scene with Tony and Trina, I
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: feel like Tamar is doing a lot of work internally,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: and I for the first time on this show, I
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: felt that she was really trying. I felt that the
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: therapy is working. I felt that her advisor task is.
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: Doing great work with her.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: I felt that she was just trying to be like,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not crazy, and look, it's the game of semantics
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: in terms of you put your hands on me whatever
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: like and I get that to me, that semantics. But
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: I also feel that when you are in the heat
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: of the moment. What I found so sad was it
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: took Tony to say no, we I because Tony stood
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: up first and gave her the finger. And then one
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: thing I've learned is you can't you can't be mad
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: at how somebody responds to you when you started, yeah,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: and then and then, And to me, it was it's
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: not so much the semantics of like, yeah, she didn't
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: push you, she definitely pushed you aside. But if I
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: feel like my family, these these people hate me, let's
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: talk about let's talk about housewives, if if if if,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: Memi and Cynthia are about to help about to like
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: get into it, and Phaedra comes in and all of
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: a sudden, bad analogy, because yeah, shut up, not not that,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: not that, but the person who you don't think liked
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: you is the one that's pushing you.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: Aside while she's.
• 57:12
  Speaker 6: Okay blue with the with the back turn, pushing you,
• 57:17
  Speaker 6: telling the woman in front of you.
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: Who got up out her seat, you're a superstar, don't
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: do this.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it, I get it.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: So I did feel like what I got from that
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: scene was I feel like the therapy Tamar's doing is working,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: and I feel like they.
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: All need it. She's not the only one who needs it,
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: they all need it.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Because it was it was it was sort of like
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: she ain't the only one guy that needs it, And
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: I think you guys have spent your whole life thinking
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: that she's the one that acts out, which is fine,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: but I think as grown women, no one. And she
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: said it, y'all, don't y'all don't ever hold Tony accountable.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Y'all gonna be check her, and it doesn't because you
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: never check. And this is true in families.
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: You never check. The person who is signing your checks.
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: And the person that's gonna need therapy is og ah
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: wrap their crew, og and crew. That's who's gonna need Yeah,
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: they need therapy. Gift cards with the punch like after
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: each visit, because this.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: This is a lot, man, and it feels even more heavy.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: You know, what's that stat.
• 58:30
  Speaker 7: Around black women that the studies have found that when
• 58:32
  Speaker 7: a black woman is angry or ridable, she's actually just depressed.
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: And that's been quantified now, so this is not just
• 58:40
  Speaker 7: anecdoto anymore.
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: And I always think about people.
• 58:44
  Speaker 7: Like Miss Evelyn, back to Miss Evelyn, women of that age,
• 58:48
  Speaker 7: like my mama and them, whenever they were ashamed, they
• 58:51
  Speaker 7: would hide behind sternness as a cover for shame. The
• 58:56
  Speaker 7: sternness that Trina had, that entire retreat total her so
• 59:00
  Speaker 7: loudly to me I am shamed of how I showed up.
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: So I'm gonna be stern and super pious to hide
• 59:07
  Speaker 7: my shame, because sternness is a fact similar for the
• 59:10
  Speaker 7: power I don't have in this situation.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: She was costplaying at her.
• 59:16
  Speaker 7: I felt like I was watching a little girl putting
• 59:17
  Speaker 7: on her mother's wig and costplaying as Miss Evelyn.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: That entire retreat.
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: Mmm.
• 59:23
  Speaker 7: And the minute Tony said, nah, I actually did get
• 59:26
  Speaker 7: knuck if your buck, and yeah, that was me, Trina
• 59:30
  Speaker 7: immediately stood down. The thing that Tamor had been begging
• 59:33
  Speaker 7: for months. Trina gave within a half a millisecond to Tony,
• 59:36
  Speaker 7: and you're trying to tell me that that's not gonna
• 59:37
  Speaker 7: hurt I'm begging for months. But she just blinks and
• 59:41
  Speaker 7: she gets it. That's gonna hurt anybody. And I dream
• 59:44
  Speaker 7: of a day where your healthy logic is available to her.
• 59:50
  Speaker 7: It's not like it's not, to Carlos's point, anything that's
• 59:53
  Speaker 7: available to her. She soaks it up so badly because
• 59:56
  Speaker 7: she won't so badly. And I will say this, this
• 59:58
  Speaker 7: is purely speculation, This is not a fact. I blew
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 7: Tulusma in that scene when I watched Tamar Braxton say
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 7: I keep showing up for them. I believe that was
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 7: her subconsciously admitting I only keep doing these shows because
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 7: they need the money, and then they keep.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: Attacking one hundred. That's what the messages out and clear.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: But that would have offended me.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: When you were talking to me. But I'm the reason
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: you can pay your mortgage this month. Make it makes sense.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: That felt passive aggressive to Mede.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 7: It was passive aggressive, and it was also an admission
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 7: of motivation, like I'm trying to buy your love. I'm
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 7: trying to again be cannibalized and put on the pit
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 7: like a fresh suckling piece of pork, so that maybe
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 7: you seeing me will make you remember that I'm your sister.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: Nah, bruh, it's it's And the thing is I heard
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: for Towanda.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 7: I heard for Towanta because the thing is to Wanda
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 7: is being revealed right now, and it could have been
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 7: an opportunity for her to go see the lady along
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 7: with her sisters, but instead she's choosing to isolate in
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 7: a distraction of her new marriage. And again, Tuanda, I'm
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 7: rooting for you so hard because I relate to you
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 7: so much. The Unheald part of being relates to you
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 7: so much more than Tamar funny enough, avoidance is not
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 7: healing you. Being with that man and kissing on his
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 7: beautiful face and thanking him for loving you is wonderful
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 7: and he can never replace the love of your sisters.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: They look good together too, by the way, just let
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: the record look good together.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: I have them on my podcast.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: I did want brought him man, I will say, singing
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: in person.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: They're so mates.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: That's a good man.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: You can tell.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Johnna is a great man. She loves him. They are
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: meant to be with each other. I do think this, though,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: well does I want to? I want to make sure
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: you finish your thought when you said you clocked something
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: and you felt.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: You hit it.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: I don't even remember mine ship mine now, I don't
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: remember my CRS is kicking in.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: Don't worry about it.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: So what I will say is I and and I
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: hate to say this because I have siblings. I love them,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: But I'm also in my forties. So also give people
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: change as they get older. I just think at this
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: point in their lives, in their lives, I think it's
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: best that they just go their separate ways. I think
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: I think when it comes to like because look, I think,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: at some point, if you're not willing to fully show
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: up and do the work. In that scene, when it
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: took Trina ten seconds to say the obvious truth in
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: her heart that told me everything. When Tony sat there
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: and was very particular about I did not know you
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: were being served. When Tamar is saying, you just don't
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: like me, what is it?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: Because you don't like me?
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: So what happened? You don't like me, you know? And
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Tawanda saying my man, my ma, and my man, you
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: know by my honeymoon. I just think that who they
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: are in their lives, I think Tony and Tamar will
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: forever be close.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I think Tony Tammarbart will be here.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: I think I think Twanda and Trina will be here.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: And I think Tony will always find ways to play
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: in the sandbox. And I think tay Marble always be
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: here alone. And I think at this point, I think
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: the only.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: I don't put that off the universe. I won't say this,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: but what I will say.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: Is I know exactly what I was about to say too.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah something, yeah, go y'all get it. That's
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: the only way they're going to come back together because
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: and I did God forbid. But I just I think
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: at this point in their lives, I think Trina, which
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: is no shade. I think Trina focuses on Bomb and
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: his help. I think Towanda is focused on this man.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: She is happy to be married. They've been you know,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: they've been seeing each other off and on since they
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: were early twenties, right, yeah, And I think.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's something that's so mate. She's with her new man.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: And I think Tony Braxton, who is on a who
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: was about to start her tour new edition and boys
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: to man.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: I think she got Burdman, and I think she got
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: her her career. And I think and her kids.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: We have to finish the sentences Tony Braxton.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Tony Braxton, and I think that's what it is. And
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: I think Tamar. I think Tamar is realizing that I
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: just am not capable.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: My sisters just aren't capable of meeting me where I'm
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: at today. And I have to accept that, yeah, yeah,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: And I have to navigate through life hoping that one
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: then we'll get back together.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: But I don't see that happen in the next couple
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: of years.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: You just broke my heart.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: And I feel like we keep on talking about how
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 7: this show is so much like our families. I am
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 7: both the Tamar and the Toni and my family. I'm
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 7: the shiny one that they find embarrassing for being so honest.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 7: And I've had to make peace with that in the
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 7: last couple of years, that the people in my family
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 7: who were committed to confusion and chaos and I couldn't
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: be a part of that. And when Tamar looked at Trina,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 7: when Trina would not admit a simple point, because Trina
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 7: was being defensive the entire time, and she said, Trina,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 7: you are fifty and Trina said fifty and a half.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 7: Said oh girls, wrap this up. Play the credits. Got it,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 7: you got it?
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: Finally you got it?
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, So you okay. So this is just how I
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: was going.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 7: Got it to the credits because at that point, now
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 7: you're being willfully up to. And here's the thing I
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 7: hate to say, the thing you were about to say
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 7: that might not work the way that we're hoping.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: Because when Tracy passed.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: I don't even want to talk. I don't even want
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: to go there.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Tracy passed.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 7: I had hoped that Tracy's passing would make put everything
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 7: into perspective. Can we all admit that there are some
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 7: people in our families who are glue and without them,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 7: there's an erosion that happens.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: It's happened in my family.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure, yes, yes, yes, and listen,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: it's it's in friendship.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: Like it's some friendship. There's one person who kind of
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: keeps the friend group together.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: More glod than we thought. Yeah, I think Tracy.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: Was so Look, I will say this, it was a
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: very sad.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: It's like groupgeous beautiful gowns, baby, beautiful, beautiful gown. But
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: I I I'm abdusted. If y'all going to give us
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: another season, I guess break the f the Wall and
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: is the it's the Adventures of the for the Wall.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: But I think this, I think this world, we all
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: live separate lives and we're we're only filming together because
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: we're forced to. I just think nobody wants to sign
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: up to see that. And I think the difference with
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: our Kardashians. And I'll go on record saying this because
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: I maybe doesn't watch a lot of reality.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: Are you watching Kardashian Hulu?
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: Absolutely?
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: I thought Okay, so I listen.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: It's not what it was in its glory days because
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: everybody is living individual lives. But the one thing that
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: family does have besides gazillions is is they're still close
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: in proximity and they all do love each other.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 7: They have a Carlos, they have an involved Can we
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 7: just be honest. Chris Jenner is the antithesis of Miss Evelyn,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 7: where Miss Evelin's like, oh, I was tired, Chris jen
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 7: The only thing that works harder than the Devil and
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 7: the Gop is Chris Jenner. Right, And Kie and Kendall
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 7: got a problem. She's driving both of their houses with
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 7: a fruit basket. Let's talk about it like everything. And
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 7: I hate that, right. I hate that we're talking about
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 7: a black family versus a non black family, and so
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 7: many black families we go into silos and suffer in silos.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 7: That's the reason why I was so excited about that
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  Speaker 7: that work you did with black men. It actually comes back.
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  Speaker 3: To this episode. Black men suffer in silos.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, and then by the time they hit their mid fifties,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 7: they passed away because they didn't speak out loud about
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 7: the obvious thing and get the support they needed. That's
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  Speaker 7: why even the Vaughn storyline heavily sat on my heart
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  Speaker 7: because how many black men do we know in their fifties?
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  Speaker 3: A lot of black men die in their fifties.
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  Speaker 7: Because that's the age where you avoiding stuff starts to
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  Speaker 7: catch up with you.
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  Speaker 5: Right, we do, and a not a lot of us
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  Speaker 5: have doctors that look like Stephanie Meals either, because I
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: know I wasn't on Repub's doctor looked like Stephanie putting
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  Speaker 5: a rush on your diagnosis?
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  Speaker 2: Ain't she okay?
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  Speaker 4: Black light bulb moment.
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  Speaker 3: I like the red the.
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  Speaker 4: I am God, I am done, so listen.
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  Speaker 1: We will see where the sisters go from here. There
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  Speaker 1: hasn't been an announcement of another season, so things are
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  Speaker 1: left to be unseaid.
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  Speaker 4: But Blue and dustin final thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: I hope they come back.
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  Speaker 5: I hope all that cast and crew is back to
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  Speaker 5: work for another season. They got a black showrunner. It's
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  Speaker 5: a black family, and I want to see these ladies
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  Speaker 5: continue to work. And I really hope that with the
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: added protections they need, we get an enjoyable show.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not expecting, you know, a miracle here.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not expecting really anything, but I would love to
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  Speaker 5: see what happens next for them in another season, So
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  Speaker 5: I definitely hope they come back.
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  Speaker 3: That was so spicy and wholesome. I love it.
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  Speaker 7: You know what's so funny sometimes when somebody has a
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  Speaker 7: really big ego or they're higher identifying with their trauma,
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  Speaker 7: which is I think the legacy, unfortunately slash whatever of
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  Speaker 7: miss Evelyn is that she we high p identify her
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  Speaker 7: with her trauma, and her daughters high pridentify themselves with
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 7: their trauma, right, And so when people give up their trauma,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 7: in their mind, they're.
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  Speaker 3: Thinking they're giving up their identity because their identity is
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  Speaker 3: their trauma.
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  Speaker 7: And I'm hoping that they might be fighting the obvious now,
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  Speaker 7: but I'm hoping the conversations that we're having here watching
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  Speaker 7: themselves from a distance, friends and loved ones who hopefully
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 7: are dming them in group chats and saying the thing
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  Speaker 7: that needs to be said that eventually they're concent Do
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  Speaker 7: you believe these are all good people?
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  Speaker 2: Which is why.
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  Speaker 3: These are all good people?
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  Speaker 7: And I feel like the opposite of love is and
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  Speaker 7: hat it's apathy, right, this is just love that's lost
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  Speaker 7: its way. I hope that one day Twanda is sitting
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 7: with her husband and he's kissing on her face, and
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  Speaker 7: she hears a funny joke that she normally would have
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  Speaker 7: shared with Tamar and she realizes, that's my sister. I'm
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 7: hoping that Tamor has a woman of saying, damn, even
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  Speaker 7: though I'm their grief little.
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  Speaker 3: Sister, I have caused harm.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 7: I'm hoping that sometimes people have to hear something several
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  Speaker 7: times before their ego will be quiet enough for their
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  Speaker 7: heart to listen.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm praying that that happens me too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so we'll say, we'll say, but thank you
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  Speaker 1: guys so.
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  Speaker 4: Much for another dynamic episode.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody's check on.
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  Speaker 5: I see you hear nothing about scratchy.
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  Speaker 7: Somebody gee, somebody to check on the whole crew because
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 7: they were brought into it so many times.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he told me that you didn't want me to
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  Speaker 3: come like I need. Somebody's giving that man a big
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: Christmas bonus?
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  Speaker 2: Can we all just a Christmas bonus?
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  Speaker 5: Some icy hot, some weed, you know what I'm saying,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 5: A bottle of Hannessey, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: OG need a care package for real. Anyway. We love y'all,
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for this Carlos and Blue. I appreciate y'all
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  Speaker 2: another lovely.
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  Speaker 1: Yes and we will be back doing this again. So
• 1:12:23
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• 1:12:25
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