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Uniting The Life Blood Of Rock With DAVE GLEESON & EZEKIEL OX · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: Hey, Heavy mag listeners, watches and readers. My name is
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  Speaker 1: Ezekiel Ox and I am the front man and singer
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  Speaker 1: for Melbourne band Mammal.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm Dave Gleason from the Screaming Jets and on
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  Speaker 2: the front man singer as well.
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  Speaker 3: How are you, buddy? Thanks for joining us today.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very having us.
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  Speaker 4: This is a bit of a bit of a new
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  Speaker 4: one for all three of us. We're all we're having
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  Speaker 4: a happy threesome on the line today. We're here to
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  Speaker 4: promote an upcoming tour which sees the Screaming Jets and
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  Speaker 4: Mammal team up for the Lifeblood Tour, which kicks off
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  Speaker 4: in Illawarra on November the eighth, goes through Melbourne, Newcastle, Perth, Brisbane,
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  Speaker 4: Adelaide and Sydney and wraps up on the Gold Coast on.
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  Speaker 3: January the fifth flight.
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  Speaker 4: It's going to be eight days of high energy rock
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  Speaker 4: and roll Australian style, right there.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, Yeah, absolutely, we're I'm really excited about this tour.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen Mammals exploits on YouTube and stuff
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  Speaker 2: and can't wait to see him live. And I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: that the Jets fans are part of the reason they
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  Speaker 2: love our band is the energy and the you know,
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  Speaker 2: that real kind of rock and roll vibe that we bring,
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  Speaker 2: and that's why I think they're going to really take
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  Speaker 2: the Mammal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I reckon, I reckon. You're right there, Dave. It's
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  Speaker 1: a great opportunity for us to get in front of
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  Speaker 1: some fans that will be a bit different and vice versa.
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  Speaker 1: There will be some Mammal people coming that may not
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  Speaker 1: have seen you guys yet, but I think most of
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  Speaker 1: the people will not have seen us. Most people will
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  Speaker 1: have seen you guys. But we're just so looking forward
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  Speaker 1: to it. We're probably leaning further towards like slightly heavier
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  Speaker 1: sound when we get going. But it's been interesting actually
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  Speaker 1: discussing it with the boys and how we're tailoring our
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  Speaker 1: set to make sure that we're giving the Jets fans
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  Speaker 1: what they want. I mean, we love all our songs,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, it's been fun actually thinking, oh, it's a
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  Speaker 1: bit of a different one for us. So yeah, we're
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  Speaker 1: absolutely pumped. Chris to say, to say the least, and
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  Speaker 1: stoked that our mutual aid Owen all for it. Shout
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  Speaker 1: out to Owen, he's a gun. I think he's had
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  Speaker 1: to come up with a really good idea here, and
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  Speaker 1: the fans are going to benefit.
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  Speaker 4: I was actually going to bring that up because, like,
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  Speaker 4: as you guys both know, I'm a massive fan of
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  Speaker 4: both bands, and when I saw that he was playing together,
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  Speaker 4: it was like, oh, my Christmas is for the last
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  Speaker 4: forty years came to you. But did what were your
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  Speaker 4: guys and initial thoughts when you're asked to play with
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  Speaker 4: each other?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll go first on this one because I think
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  Speaker 1: you know, in the end, we had to be invited
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  Speaker 1: onto the tour. You know, there's no way we could
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  Speaker 1: ask the Jets to come and support us. So I
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  Speaker 1: think I was surprised because there's a slightly different generation
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  Speaker 1: like I was. I was saying to Dave when he
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  Speaker 1: interviewed me for Triple M that I was I remember
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  Speaker 1: my oldest sister bringing home All for one, you know
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  Speaker 1: on vinyl when I was I would have been eleven
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  Speaker 1: or twelve when it came out. That's not far off
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  Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen and starting to cut your teeth as the
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  Speaker 1: Jets would have been. So we're not that far apart
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  Speaker 1: in age, but generationally it's different, probably because of our heaviness.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting to get any offers from from a
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  Speaker 1: band like that is just legit, you know, probably more
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  Speaker 1: in that like that. They're more peers of like the
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  Speaker 1: Angels and sonically and Cold Chisel. I'd say, like, which
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  Speaker 1: are sensational bands, and I certainly say the Jets in
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  Speaker 1: the same breath as them. So we were surprised, but
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  Speaker 1: then immediately it just made sense, Like I just said
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  Speaker 1: to the guys, this, this, this, we have to do
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  Speaker 1: this to it. It makes sense. It's a perfect opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, so that that was my feelings when I
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  Speaker 1: got the very generous offer from the Jets to come out,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, just because the other guys were like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, is this the right time? Is this the
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  Speaker 1: right band? I was like to trust me, fellas, it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well for us absolutely, Owen came to us with
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  Speaker 2: the idea and the you know, over the journey we've
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  Speaker 2: toured with, we've you know, picked up bands like Grinspoon
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  Speaker 2: when they first went on tour. We kind of posed
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  Speaker 2: them to come on a tour with us, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: I saw them guys go on to this the massive success,
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  Speaker 2: but they had a different sound to us as well.
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  Speaker 2: They were a heavier band than us, but there was
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  Speaker 2: just something about the bill that sounded like it was
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  Speaker 2: the right thing to do. And over the years, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you play with different young bands, and I think that
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  Speaker 2: was something that we really had going for us when
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  Speaker 2: we kicked off, as like we supported the Radiators and
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  Speaker 2: choir Boys and then the the Vinyls and you know,
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  Speaker 2: you know, all these big bands that had kind of
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  Speaker 2: a different sound. I think at one stage we supported
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  Speaker 2: Wahahn and Dear Enemy, but you know, it was just
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  Speaker 2: it was a way to get in front of extra
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  Speaker 2: of new people. And some people were like, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: into that at all, but others were like, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they could they could see the kind of the meeting
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  Speaker 2: of the two kinds of bands, and you know, I
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  Speaker 2: just think, you know, it's like a bit of a
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  Speaker 2: mini festival. We've got Lard Mirage coming on with us
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  Speaker 2: as well. They were a great young bean and people
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  Speaker 2: bang to their back and introducing two audiences that there
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  Speaker 2: might be a crossover in and you never know what's
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  Speaker 2: going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think just on that, Dave, I think you
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  Speaker 1: can you can spend a lot of time talking about
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  Speaker 1: how you're different, but there's similarities between this Jets and
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  Speaker 1: Mammal as well, Like it's rock and roll, and I'd
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  Speaker 1: argue we're both led by front men that like to
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  Speaker 1: mix it up, like to create a bit of danger,
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  Speaker 1: as we were talking about in that previous interview. I
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  Speaker 1: think there's plenty that we're similar on and it's a
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  Speaker 1: broad church rock and roll and I'm looking forward to
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  Speaker 1: worshiping at the altar with the Jets coming up.
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  Speaker 3: Ah, I love it. I love it.
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  Speaker 4: You mentioned the fact that the two of you are
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  Speaker 4: enigmatic showmen out of the frunt and in my opinion,
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  Speaker 4: it's probably two of the best going round, at least
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  Speaker 4: in this country.
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  Speaker 3: But is it going to be a bit of a.
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  Speaker 4: Bit of friendly banter and rivalry between because he's both
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  Speaker 4: known for being a bit over the top, Like, is
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  Speaker 4: it going to be over the top top each other?
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  Speaker 2: The gallaghers we know, William, I think.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be more thinking. I'd be more thinking like about
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  Speaker 1: about just how good it's going to be for the audience,
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  Speaker 1: Like I mean, we're different performers, but but also like
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  Speaker 1: that's a front man's job, Like it's not that me
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  Speaker 1: and Dave are doing it wrong. We're just going to
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  Speaker 1: do what we do, I'm sure because the front men
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  Speaker 1: that aren't doing what me and Dave doing in my
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  Speaker 1: In my view, I agree with your assessment of me
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  Speaker 1: and Dave being up in the up in the you know,
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  Speaker 1: some of the most watchable men in Australian rock. But
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  Speaker 1: I think that if you're not doing it like me
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  Speaker 1: and Dave, then you're just fucking doing it wrong. Chris,
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  Speaker 1: So get around it and come and watch.
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  Speaker 2: If you got something to say, go on, No, no,
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  Speaker 2: look I think at he's got his show and that's
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  Speaker 2: what I love about it. It's not like there were
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  Speaker 2: a young band like cutting their teeth and you know,
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  Speaker 2: finding their way. They are established band who've got their
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  Speaker 2: ship together and so it's going to be you know,
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  Speaker 2: and not that I have anything against the young bands
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  Speaker 2: who are coming and learning their craft and stuff, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean Mammal have got there, They've got their craft,
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  Speaker 2: they've got their show and they're just going to bring
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  Speaker 2: it so and we will do the same. Obviously, We've
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  Speaker 2: got our show that we that we do and pride
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  Speaker 2: ourselves on and have done for all this time. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so all it is is the backstage is Backstage is
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  Speaker 2: always fun, and when you're out on stage, you know
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  Speaker 2: everyone wants to be that just put on a massive
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  Speaker 2: show and blow the crowd away with everything they do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think another thing too that the Jets have
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  Speaker 1: that that sort of puts them in really good stead
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  Speaker 1: For me. I've been going back over your catalog, Dave
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  Speaker 1: and just listening. I was by the pool yesterday with
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  Speaker 1: the cranking out of Bedroom, and it's just the songs
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  Speaker 1: Chris and Dave Lovibia like probably what Mammal Mammal relies on,
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  Speaker 1: just this pure visceral punk energy that that we make
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  Speaker 1: the sound we want. We write some good songs. But
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  Speaker 1: you go back through the Jets catalog and even the
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  Speaker 1: new record that came out Saying New last year that
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  Speaker 1: I've been listening to, which has like Professionals is a
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  Speaker 1: professionalist conduct, And I was like the craft that you
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  Speaker 1: guys bring, which has seen you guys explode more into
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  Speaker 1: that FM realm, which we're now starting to get a
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  Speaker 1: few plays and spins on some regional Triple M. That's
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  Speaker 1: what I've noticed in going back over it. I don't
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  Speaker 1: like to analyze myself. That's for other people to do.
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  Speaker 1: I know what we do, but you know, going back
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  Speaker 1: over it and just realizing, man like songs like you know,
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  Speaker 1: shiver and song's like helping hand. That is beautifully crafted tunes,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And that's what I'm noticing. You guys can
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  Speaker 1: just lean back and go, how's this for a banger?
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  Speaker 1: Then everyone wants to see a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Saan, I appreciate that. Yeah, I mean, very lucky.
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  Speaker 2: Paul Wortheen and and Grant write songs. We all write
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  Speaker 2: songs together in the first kind of first couple of
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  Speaker 2: albums and and yeah, that's here they developed their craft
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  Speaker 2: and a great producer in Steve James's who's still involved
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  Speaker 2: to this day. And yeah, I mean, those guys really
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  Speaker 2: nailed the craft on kind of I'm trying to step
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  Speaker 2: up now and write some songs myself that are that
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  Speaker 2: are up there. So but you're always developing that sha
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  Speaker 2: I mean, And to have to have been able to
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  Speaker 2: look back and say, I remember when we were creating
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  Speaker 2: that song, you know, that's always a great thing to
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  Speaker 2: have as part of your musical path.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd like to be a fly on the wall
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  Speaker 5: at all of these shows, guys, because I don't know
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  Speaker 5: how to put this so it comes across right, but
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  Speaker 5: you have both been known to go off in tangents
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  Speaker 5: when you're given.
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  Speaker 3: The speeches on stage.
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  Speaker 4: I'd like to know they're all interesting, don't get me wrong,
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  Speaker 4: but i'd like to know who's going to go off
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  Speaker 4: in the most different directions, you know, over the course
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  Speaker 4: the whole time.
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  Speaker 2: That'll depend on Fireball consumption there.
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  Speaker 1: I'll say Dave on Fireball, I'm a Type one diabetic
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  Speaker 1: and cinnamon AIDS insulent absorption, so maybe I could get
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  Speaker 1: around that. But I'll say this, Chris Mammal on this tour,
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  Speaker 1: it's the first time we've supported a band in a while,
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  Speaker 1: because we've gotten to that weird level where we were
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  Speaker 1: waiting for a band of the Jets' size, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and caliber as far as how many people come to
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  Speaker 1: see them and how well known they are. We've been
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  Speaker 1: doing our own headline shows, and so there's going to
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  Speaker 1: be very little chat from me on the mic because
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  Speaker 1: we've only got our forty forty five minutes and we're
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  Speaker 1: going to be pumping out the hits and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: really that interested in banging on. We'll let the music
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  Speaker 1: do the talking. And I think Dave might have a
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  Speaker 1: bit more room in the set to stretch his legs
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  Speaker 1: than I will.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I miss poorly Woisine because because he just start
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  Speaker 2: the song, I'm banging on too long. I just hear
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  Speaker 2: him say fuck this and he just turned it, turned
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  Speaker 2: the chem and say right start.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that's what that's what Pete and saying do.
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  Speaker 2: Right, He's gone, He's done enough.
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  Speaker 3: No oh, all right, don't so.
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  Speaker 5: Dave.
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  Speaker 3: Tell us your first memory of Mammal.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it was only through Owen Orford, who Zeke spoke
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  Speaker 2: of before he brought him to me. Attention, I've actually
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  Speaker 2: seen posters around the place and thought it was not
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  Speaker 2: a bad name because I am one, and uh I
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  Speaker 2: got us in. It's like started talking about, you know
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  Speaker 2: what bands we could you know, possibly get to get
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  Speaker 2: with and you know, make it, make a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a different impact and play some different venues and kind
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  Speaker 2: of start, you know, growing a crowd. Even even this time,
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  Speaker 2: at this time in your career, you still want to
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  Speaker 2: be making sure that you're growing your crowd and you're
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  Speaker 2: getting to people. And he introduced me to Mammal about
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  Speaker 2: only three six months ago, And yeah, I saw the
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  Speaker 2: saw the wild energy and this sort of tis nuts,
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  Speaker 2: so uh yeah, they.
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  Speaker 1: First memory of the Jets. First memory of the Jets
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  Speaker 1: is my sister Kirsty. I was blessed with two older
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  Speaker 1: sisters or cursed depending on what day. It was so wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: Raised in a really really strong household with two amazing
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  Speaker 1: h my mum as well like three amazing women, and
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  Speaker 1: my parents were massive vinyl addicts and so as children,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I remember wanting to get my pocket money
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  Speaker 1: so I could start buying my own records. And my
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  Speaker 1: my middle sister, Kirsty, was a massive fan of the
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  Speaker 1: the Vinyls and all these sorts of bands, and then
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  Speaker 1: she brought him the album I think it's called Awful
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  Speaker 1: one day, stop me if I'm wrong, and I had
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  Speaker 1: you know better, And on the main, I mean that
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  Speaker 1: was just an absolute solid goal still is. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: an absolute side gold hit. And she used to play
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  Speaker 1: it in the bedroom and I'd always get when they
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  Speaker 1: let me their little brother, I'd be allowed to sit
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  Speaker 1: in there and read the back of the vinyl and
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  Speaker 1: I just remember being really impressed with the songs and
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  Speaker 1: the sound, and it was aligned with a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the Springsteen and stuff. That Mum and Dad listened to.
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  Speaker 1: It was a new version of rock and roll, probably
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  Speaker 1: a little place to the radio Birdman's and the Angels
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  Speaker 1: and stuff like that that I wasn't aware of yet.
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  Speaker 1: It was my gateway to some other stuff. But I
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  Speaker 1: just remember being eleven years old and there was this
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  Speaker 1: song felt Better and everyone sung it, and then all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, every time you go to a pub
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  Speaker 1: there'd be a bloke with an acoustic guitar screaming it
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  Speaker 1: out as well. So it's done. That's my memory. I
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  Speaker 1: was very younger. I was eleven years old when that
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  Speaker 1: record came out.
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  Speaker 4: Wow, And I remember you telling me one Dave that
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  Speaker 4: since Betty came out, you haven't done one gig where
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  Speaker 4: you haven't played that song.
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  Speaker 3: Is that still the case?
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  Speaker 2: I say, yeah, what's the point tonight? You've all heard
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  Speaker 2: American Plain enough. It's like everyone has heard it enough.
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  Speaker 2: They've heard it a million times, but not everyone's been
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  Speaker 2: to the show every night to see it played live.
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  Speaker 2: Some people have just seen it there for the first
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  Speaker 2: time ever in their life. So you know, it's just
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  Speaker 2: an absolute joy to play that help in hand shivers,
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  Speaker 2: I mean for a song that starts that I've been
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  Speaker 2: contemplating suicide to have become such a sing along song
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  Speaker 2: as it is. And obviously we didn't write that, but
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  Speaker 2: it was, you know, songs like that, even destruction and
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  Speaker 2: then lesson knowing songs we always start with come on.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think. I'm pretty sure there hasn't been many
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  Speaker 2: gigs that we haven't had come on in the set either.
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  Speaker 2: There's just songs that you love to play and songs
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  Speaker 2: that when when you're kind of lock into them, you're
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  Speaker 2: kind of it's like, right, yeah, where at worked now
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  Speaker 2: it's day, you know. It's so we use them as
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  Speaker 2: much to rep us up as to rep the crowd up.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm pretty sure Better has been the set
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  Speaker 2: since since the day it was first releast.
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  Speaker 3: Was eleven years old.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting. It's interesting to hear that the reflection David
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  Speaker 1: and about a couple of things that I think are
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  Speaker 1: interesting in that answer is, you know, the first of all,
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  Speaker 1: that the shifts, you know, that first line about the
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  Speaker 1: raises that you know, the sort of suicide. We actually
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  Speaker 1: had an argument on the new album the there's a
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  Speaker 1: line on Keanu Reeves the first single if you Knew
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  Speaker 1: someone Else was in control of your life? Would you
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  Speaker 1: kill yourself? And we we we we were discussing the
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  Speaker 1: lyrics and Pete Pete, our guitar player, was like pretty
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  Speaker 1: confronted with that, and we had to argue, is it
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  Speaker 1: Is it good that it's confronting?
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  Speaker 5: Is it?
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  Speaker 1: I actually got yeah, and so that's and that's great.
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  Speaker 1: But that that makes me think about like authenticity, Like
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  Speaker 1: I think, whatever you're doing, it's authentic. And it comes
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  Speaker 1: back to like what Chris was saying about our antique,
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  Speaker 1: so to speak on stage. I think that it's we've
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  Speaker 1: endured probably as frontmen and as acts because when I
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  Speaker 1: just putting it on because we thought that that's what
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  Speaker 1: Mick Jagger was supposed to do or what chas, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it actually comes. You can see it in this conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Both of us are extroverted. Both of us love a
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  Speaker 1: chat and we're doing doing our version of it. I
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  Speaker 1: think the reason that the Jets, certainly, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: again I don't I don't like to say what's important
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  Speaker 1: about my band. That's what other people to reflect on.
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  Speaker 1: But what I can say from the Jets is there's
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: a there's a there's a truth and an authenticity to it,
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: which is why it's been so enduring. You know, through
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: the ups and downs, you survive.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Look, I think that that run that runs
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: through a lot of the bands that went before us,
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: the Chisels, the Angels and all that, like eighties, seventies
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: and eighties, those guys who paved the way for you know,
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: pub rock and all that success they had and they've made.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: They were packing joints six nights a week across the country.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: They're getting played on radio ad nauseum and all that.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: And the reason that they're still around is because none
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: of them are rock star bank well you know that
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: a couple I won't name them, but like the reason
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: they have stayed around is because you just can't fake
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: it in this country and get away with some kind
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: of dickhead and still kind of shower in the basket
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: and the you know, the crowds come and see you.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: And I think that comes across in a lot of
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: the music that gets made by a lot of Australian
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: artists as well. None of the one, none of the
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: ones you've ever been on any of those shows, but
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: everyone else with the exception of it Nicola so earnest,
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: amazing Uh, but yeah, I just think that we come
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: from that stock of of get up there, put on
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: the show, and you know, and you know, I took
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: my daughter to see Food Fighters and Dave Grohl was
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: motherfucker and all over the place, and I hey, motherfuckers
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: and fucking and I said, if I went on stage
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: as an year old in Cardiff and started calling the
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: crowd motherfuckers, you wouldn't come up in a very short show. See,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: I've always gone I've always gone different, like I'm Early
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: in our career, I got certainly into some stoushes, but
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: I was I was relentless in my attacks on crowds
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: that I didn't think were engaged with this or not.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I never went with the we'll get him in the end.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I just went on just saying you are not there.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I always say, there's a contract. We brought, the energy,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: we brought the songs, Get off his chair, put your
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: phone down, shut the fuck up, and dance. And if
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: you're not doing it, I would force you to so.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: And it's definitely got me. It's got me, It's got me.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: A couple of me and me and Pete got our
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: faces properly bashed in and glass going Gelong one night,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: but we finished the Sat Day finish.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Like seeds back in the day. That's fucking great for
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: us up on stage and all the blood still coming down.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: That's what it was. That's what it was.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: That's classic. Oh guys, well, think what's your favorite spermag
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: yet song.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I've been actually going through them, so I'm I.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: I'm not.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I can't say one. I think I think there's something
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: about helping hand now that I've been going back over them,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: because I love I love how it's a bit of
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: a sook like at least it's a song that's sort
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: of saying, you know, look for me. But then the
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: answering the chorus, I'm always I'm always about the emotional
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: lyric and the answering the chorus is actually a really
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: natural and good thing to ask, like please help me.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Like it's a really human thing to reach out when
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: your mental health is down and low. And I've struggled
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: with my mental health and I love it. It's like
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: it's okay to I don't know. That's what I get
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: out of it is, you know, sometimes things are hard,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: but but what you do, and what's a healthy thing
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: to do is just reach out. To your mates and
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: say hey, can someone please help me because I'm struggling,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: And then it's your turn when they're down for them
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: to ask you. So I don't. It makes me feel
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: It makes me feel good to listen to that song
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: over the what I've been doing. But there's so many bangers.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: That was a tough question, Chris, come and go easy.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Thanks, that's that's that's exactly what Paul you wrote it for.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: So yeah on the head, No, I'm going to make it.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Even harder for you, mate. If Mavell had to cover
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: a Scream of Jets song, which one would you reckon
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: it to be?
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm loving I'm loving the Gotsch you covered album.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I didn't know it existed. The Jets are actually going
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: to covers record and I loved I love it. I
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: love the title Dave like it's it's like, why didn't
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I think of that? I love it.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: If we were going to a suggestion for I got
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: a suggestion for you. I wrote a song after I
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: saw the movie True Romance with Christian Slater and yep,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: one of my favorite all the time movies. And he
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: said that your movie coming home in a body bag,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: and so I wrote a song called coming Home in
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: a body Bag, which is a B side that I've
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I've managed to track down somewhere, but that that would
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: be my suggestion for you. Oh well, cool, well an
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: anti war song obviously, yeah, well that's obviously.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Mammals Mammals all about that. And it's that that that
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: that coming over the body bag. It sounds like something
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: that I would say. It sounds like it's that aggression
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: that I use in my lyric, that that real wild eyed,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: you know, sort of almost offence that I can't see
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: on the offence, that sounds good, But I think, yeah,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I think like I mean, imagine if we pulled up
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: and it we played like better as the last song
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: on this tour that get Our Heads Punched In played twice,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I'd say probably shimmers because I love it's actually got
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: because if you think about it, there's actually a link
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: melodically too. We've got a song day called Inciting and
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: again her arm inside yea and she was as So
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: it's got that that just that simple hook stretching out
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: a lyric, and I think that it's also edge, got edge,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: and that's got mammal Mammals, got that slightly razor sharp edge,