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Why the New Jeep Recon is Just Wrong | JTS · Jeep Talk Show

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All right, Jeepers, Tony and Josh back
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together in the studio
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once again for another episode
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here and this time we've got a little bit
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of a mixed bag of
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things we're going to talk
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about.
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We've got the Avenger and the Recon that
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I just sort of want to
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briefly touch on just
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because they're in the news a little bit
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right now and I want to
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kind of touch the waters
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a little bit and see
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what's going on with that.
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And we also have an active recall
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happening with
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another Jeep in the lineup.
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We'll get into that into those apples
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here in just a moment as well.
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I've got an F you you F coming up in just
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a little while as well.
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And I believe Tony even has his two cents
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to throw into the mix as well.
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So let's get into it.
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Yeah, actually, if you don't mind, well,
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let me get started with
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my I don't want to take
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away the thunder from you.
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You thought I'm not that upset about it,
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but it seems strange to
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me in the world of social
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media, there are so many people that come
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up with these lists
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of the quality vehicles
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that you should buy and they show this
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list and Jeep is usually
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middle or lower down towards
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the bottom.
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And you hear these people complaining
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about Jeeps and the
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quality has gone down.
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And I know sales have
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dropped drastically on Jeeps.
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I don't know the story
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there, but I like my Jeep.
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I've got a 2021 gladiator.
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I mean, it's low miles,
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but the quality is good.
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I mean, mind you, the one I had before it
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was 23 years old
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before I bought another one.
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And I drove it every
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day to work for 23 years.
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I changed the water pump.
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I changed things here and there.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Oh, radiator, you know,
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those things go out occasionally.
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So they silt up and they go out.
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So I don't see, I don't know that I would
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buy anything else but a Jeep.
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I don't see a quality issue.
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I don't understand what quality is.
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Does quality mean it rides smooth and you
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don't have to take it in to be serviced?
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And I mean, if you're talking about stuff
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that you don't have
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problems with, it's kind
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of like an EV because an EV doesn't have
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all those heat cycles.
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Doesn't have all the problems that the
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internal combustion engines have.
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So it has done a different set of
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problems, but that's a different story.
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The list is shorter.
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I just think these people are complaining
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about Jeeps because they desperately want
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one and they just don't think people will
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like them if they have one.
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You know, I wonder if
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there's another facet to this.
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I'll give you a question for that.
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I mean, that theory works, absolutely.
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But maybe we're entering into a new realm
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of no such thing as
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brand loyalty anymore.
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I mean, there was those families that
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only would buy domestic
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or, you know, they would
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only ever buy a Honda, you know, or they
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would only ever buy a
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Toyota, you know, whatever
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that may be.
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You come from a family, you'd only ever
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buy Jeep and that makes sense.
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And it does make sense for any family who
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has their loyalty for whatever brand they
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have because that's the way
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it's always been for them.
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Okay, you don't know any different.
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That's fine.
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You know, there's room
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for growth, etc, etc.
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But that being said, maybe that's a thing
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that just sort of isn't
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really ingrained anymore.
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It's not taught.
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It's not observed.
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It's not passed on whatever it may be.
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And so, you know, we're not seeing that
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brand loyalty anymore
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passed down from grandpa to
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son to grandson, etc, etc.
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So maybe there's a degree of that and
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they don't understand
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that, well, yeah, this this
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is this is a Jeep that has heritage and
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they don't understand a
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heritage when it comes
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to vehicles.
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It's just another thing.
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It's that thing that's
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parked in the driveway.
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It's a thing that gets them to the to the
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Starbucks, to the
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drive through, etc, etc.
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They don't really understand necessarily
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that this vehicle can
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also get you to places that
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no other vehicle could
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possibly ever get you to.
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And I think that's a
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big factor that's missing.
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And then you have combined with that, the
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brand loyalty aspect missing completely.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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Well, and then you see these reports.
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They'll use these reports.
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They'll show a chart, a graph, all these
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other things that make
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it and say 97 percent of
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scientists believe this to be true.
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And all these things that make you think
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they know what they're talking about.
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I'm not so sure that the people are doing
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the graphs and things
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are any better about
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what they're what
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they're putting out there.
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I think people lie and I think people try
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to control you and what you say and do.
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I mean, I guess it could be said we're
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doing the same thing by promoting Jeep.
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But mine comes from from my heart.
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My by the fun.
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Well, it's lived experience.
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I mean, yeah, you got you got three,
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three Jeeps in the driveway.
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I mean, I've I've owned a couple over the
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years and I've you
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know, I've had owned one
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for four decades.
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So it's it's not necessarily loyalty, but
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it's also an
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understanding of what the vehicle
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is, what it's designed to do and what you
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actually do with it.
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Now, when we and when I say we, I mean,
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you, I, you who are
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listening to this right now,
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when the word Jeep is heard by you,
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there's an image that
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is created in your head.
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And these people who who denote Jeep as
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something lesser don't
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have that same image when they
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hear the word Jeep or even jeeping or off
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road or anything like that.
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There are images that are conjured within
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our brains that that
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that make us think of
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something that other
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people aren't thinking of.
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They don't think of a vehicle that can go
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off road and get them to
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the summit of something
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to see a view that they could never, ever
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possibly see on
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anything but a computer screen,
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their phone or a postcard.
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So, you know, there's there's this aspect
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of, well, you're just ignorant then.
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You just don't know.
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You just don't understand.
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Don't know no better.
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I need to teach you.
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And I get it goes
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back to the whole thing.
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I hate to be cliche.
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This sucks.
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You know, it's a Jeep thing.
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You wouldn't understand.
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And I think that's very true.
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I think it's very true.
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I mean, don't get me wrong.
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I wouldn't recommend buying anything
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that's a piece of crap.
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I don't know that Jeep has
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ever made a piece of crap.
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And at the time, if they were making, if
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they were making crap,
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I think that it was it
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was that was the style of
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the vehicles at the time.
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I mean, it used to be
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back in the 70s and the 80s.
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If you got 60,000 miles out of out of a
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vehicle, that was you
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were doing really well.
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I'm not so sure they weren't building
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them like that, though.
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So you keep buying them.
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And I'm at some Jeep.
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I'm talking about all vehicles.
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Yeah, I mean, yeah.
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Okay.
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I was actually having this conversation
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with somebody else just
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the other day about this.
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And 20 years ago, 30 years ago, 100,000
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miles on a vehicle was a lot of miles.
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Yeah.
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Nowadays, it's it's not
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really a whole lot of miles.
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It's barely getting broken in now.
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So it's not uncommon to be driving around
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a vehicle with a quarter million, 300,000
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miles 20, 30 years ago.
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That was a lot more uncommon.
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So it's the longevity of a vehicle.
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I think it definitely comes into it.
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But then there's these other things that
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I mean, you do some
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basic internet search and
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you get results from things like Consumer
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Reports, who has a
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very negative review, an
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opinion about Jeeps.
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And a lot of people trust the entity of
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Consumer Reports and how
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well they put things through
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their paces and what
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their opinion is on things.
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And so that doesn't necessarily encompass
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the brand as a whole and
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what people are actually
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buying from Jeep.
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I mean, what's their number one vehicle?
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It's not a compass.
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It's not going to be a Renegade.
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It's certainly not a Liberty.
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You know, it's not going to be the Recon
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or the Avenger either.
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I imagine I think those are
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going to be hard sales as well.
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Now you can argue about
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global sales, etc, etc.
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But Jeeps number one sale is, of course,
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the Wrangler and the Gladiator.
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Off-road intended vehicles, purpose built
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vehicles, largest
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aftermarket support in the
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world, vehicles.
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OK, now, if you're going to review a
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brand, you know, review
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it as a whole, if you will,
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fine, that's all fine and dandy.
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But look at the actual vehicles and what
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they're intended for,
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what they're designed for,
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what the aftermarket is supporting and
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what the end user is
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actually using these vehicles for.
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Well, we'll see.
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I just it was
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something that irritates me.
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I keep seeing the Jeeps name being
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sullied on report after report.
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And if I thought it
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was crap, I'd tell you.
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But I drive my Gladiator and I enjoy it.
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It goes where I needed to go.
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Been very impressed with it off-road,
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having taken it off-road
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nearly as much as I'd like to.
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But the Jeep talk show needs to invite
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some of these some of these negative
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influencers, if you will.
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Yeah.
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To to an offer to a little trail run.
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And just be like, let me
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open your eyes if I can.
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Why are you putting that on the seat?
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Is that a depends?
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Yeah, we don't want you to ruin the
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cushion there when you pee.
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The puppy potty pad.
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What's going on here?
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Fly to them.
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No, it's OK.
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Everybody pees when they go
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off-road for the first time.
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So speaking of off-road, I mentioned the
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the recon and the Avenger
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here just a little bit ago.
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And and these are two new
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vehicles to Jeep's lineup.
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One of them is running on the Wagoneer S
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platform, but it has a completely
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different story to tell.
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Both of these vehicles are being marketed
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by Jeep as a sort of go
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anywhere, do anything vehicle.
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And I'm not sure if these are really
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going to be the lifeline
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that Jeep needs right now.
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You mentioned the
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Jeep sales are slipping.
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They have been quarter
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for quarter for a while now.
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There's a lot going on in the economy.
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Obviously, gas prices and stuff have a
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big thing to say about how much people
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have to spend on on a new vehicle,
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interest rates, et
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cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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So whether or not people are in the
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market for a new vehicle and whether or
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not they're going to be looking at Jeep
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as a brand that may offer hybrids or EVs
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or something like that,
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whether or not these two vehicles are
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going to check any boxes for anybody in
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the next couple of quarters as far as
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sales go is left to be determined.
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But they do offer a couple of interesting
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options, if you will.
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I mean, like removable doors, you know,
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they give you the open air experience
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like a Wrangler without having to, you
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know, pay the Wrangler price tag.
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But you're in a unibody. What do you
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think about that, Tony?
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Well, I mean, well, honestly, I think
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about the pictures I see on social media
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where somebody is driving a Ford F-150
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with extended cab and
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they've taken the doors off.
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It's somebody that wants to be a Jeep.
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I understand that there's actually a Jeep
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logo on this vehicle,
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but it doesn't look right.
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That's exactly what I'm
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saying. It doesn't look right.
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Like, I mean, even my ex J. Look, they
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make aftermarket kits to make you be able
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to remove the doors very easily.
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But an ex J without
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doors looks a little funky.
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You know, a Wrangler
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without doors. It works.
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That's the way it was designed to work.
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It's always been that way from the.
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It looks like you went to the junkyard,
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got you a nice ex J.
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And you're you're making payments on the
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other the rest of the parts.
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Yeah, where's the rest
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of it? A nice Jeep guy.
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Where's the rest of it?
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And so this, yeah, the recon, it
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definitely is that it looks like it's
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very hard trying to be
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something that it's not.
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And maybe it maybe it is something maybe
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they've figured out.
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Maybe Jeep has finally figured out the
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unibody secret and they've developed a
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vehicle that not only
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can come apart, but also
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go on through the rigors of off road,
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handle itself very well and then go back
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together without any problems.
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That's where I think the problem is going
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to arise, where they're going to have a
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sales issue, where they're going to we're
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going to start seeing recalls, whether
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we're going to start seeing
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negative sales or negative reports,
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because the recon doesn't exactly go back
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together the way it should after you take
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it off road and you've had
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it apart a couple of times.
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So I don't know how this unibody vehicle
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that is very much being marketed as an
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off road vehicle is going to play out for
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for Jeeps strategy in the long term.
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But it's an
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interesting, interesting play.
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It's an interesting vehicle.
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I don't know. I don't know if this is a
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Texas saying or not.
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I got it. I got to wedge this in here.
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I don't know if this is
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just a Texas saying or not.
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You let me know. It's
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like seeing on a bore hog.
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It's
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it's it's not a way to give it of an
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imagination for that kind of crap.
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It's just not right.
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No, that's and that's what I'm saying.
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It's okay.
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But if it works and it sells and this is
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the thing that this generation wants and
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maybe the Wrangler sort of starts to
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drift into the old man's
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vehicle, you know, I don't know.
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It could be.
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It seems to be that might be some of the
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marketing that that
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it has that feel to it.
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I don't know.
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I'm calling it right now, but whether I'm
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proved wrong or right, it
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is what you have to be seen.
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Well, speaking of recalls, I'm sorry.
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They haven't they haven't
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stopped making the Wranglers yet.
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So I'm okay with the little I'm okay with
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a little experimentation.
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Eventually, I think we'll find out the
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you know, the the end of the Wrangler as
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we know it and that's that's where we're
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going to we're going to see some, you
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know, four wheel independent suspension
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and you know, four cylinder, the return
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of the four cylinder
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and and things like that.
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I think there may come a day where we
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will see the end of the Wrangler as we
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know it, but that day is not here yet.
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Do you think people that used to drive
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CJ's and the military Jeeps and all that?
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Do you think that the Jeeps have ended
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from from what they do Jeeps as?
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The utilitarian aspect of it, yes, to a
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certain extent, but I mean the the
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earlier earlier Jeeps were very much more
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they seem to be a
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much more rugged vehicle.
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I mean, but you know, steel steel was
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stamped thicker vehicles
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seem to be built better.
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They were simpler rigs back then there
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wasn't as much to go wrong.
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And so it just maybe
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there's a nostalgia aspect to it.
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You know, all of that
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sort of plays into it.
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But you know, yes, to a certain extent,
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but I think driving one of those daily
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though, even if you could back then.
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Yeah, sure.
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I mean, I don't know that why not?
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Well, they would go 50 miles an hour.
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The mill.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I you know, it's when that was a new
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vehicle back then and everything else
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drove like to you know, I don't think
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it's a big deal, but you know, we're used
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to you know, much more modern drive
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trains and suspension systems now that
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have capabilities that vehicles back then
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could only dream of.
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So, you know, we're a little bit spoiled.
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We're a little bit
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broken when it comes to that.
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But you know, it's still there.
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The desire and need the want.
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It's all there.
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Hey, see son, we just drive faster.
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What do you need?
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So I mentioned recalls earlier Tony.
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The latest recall is out with Jeep and
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this is just another sort of like I got
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to ask why why is this happening now?
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Jeep seems to be having for the last year
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to a problem with recalls now.
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They're not the worst.
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I'll give them that there's certainly a
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lot, you know of going on in the recall
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world in the automotive world as a whole.
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I mean, I believe that, you know, we're
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still ahead of of GM as far
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as I mean, as far as Ford.
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I believe they have
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more recalls than we do.
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You know, so by a long shot, actually.
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So yeah, it's not all bad news, but you
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know, GM is just behind us.
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Not all that much.
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We're a solid number two as far as the
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number of recalls go across the board.
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Ford is number one.
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Jeep is number two.
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GM is number three.
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Okay.
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There's your big three right there.
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Of course, they're all going to be
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trading positions over the decades.
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That's to be expected.
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There's a lot going on as far as new
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vehicle development in the in and of
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course, Ford is trying very hard.
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Very, very hard to try and be Jeep.
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So they're going to have a ton of issues.
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And I think that's a big problem.
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A big contributor to
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why they're number one.
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That being said, the Grand Cherokee seems
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to be the number one when
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it comes to recalls for Jeep.
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What the heck is going on over there?
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That I believe is the bad
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Apple that is spoiling the bunch.
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If you will, if if the I think what Jeep
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did was Stellantis did
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is is they took all of the
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of their underperforming people in every
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department and just sort of shifted them
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over to the Grand Cherokee side.
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And and it said, okay, all of
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you people are now over here.
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Consider it a promotion, if you will.
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It's a lateral move here.
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You're working in the
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Grand Cherokee Department now.
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And and so now there's this pool over
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there the entire from the head of
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development on the Grand Cherokee to you
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know, the very last person, you know,
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emptying the waste back at the
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end of the day type of thing.
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You know, they're all
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just rejects or something.
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I've got to see because the latest recall
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is the second one in six months, Tony,
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that is for the same exact thing.
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The rear spring will just fall off.
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Okay, you're driving down the road and
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your rear spring just sort of dislodges
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and comes loose and just falls off.
18:29
I mean, it doesn't go bailing down the
18:30
road, you know, but nonetheless, it it
18:33
comes out of where it's supposed to be.
18:35
You no longer have a rear suspension that
18:37
is acting like it's supposed to.
18:38
The attitude of the
18:40
vehicle will also shift.
18:41
It can cause a wreck.
18:42
It could possibly kill
18:44
you in worst case scenarios.
18:46
But that being said, there hasn't been
18:48
any accidents or injuries reported to
18:50
this recall, but it's the second recall
18:53
in six months for the same thing.
18:55
Six months ago, in HTSA had a
18:57
recall for for the same thing.
19:00
Jeeps rear spring coming dislodged.
19:02
Why wasn't it fixed?
19:04
What happened the investigation on the
19:06
first round and why are we having another
19:08
recall for the same thing?
19:10
This never happens.
19:12
Why is it happening to Jeep and why do
19:14
all these recalls seem to be
19:15
happening to the Grand Cherokee?
19:17
Look, I'm not a huge Grand Cherokee fan.
19:19
I mean, they certainly have their place.
19:21
The Grand Cherokee won a ton
19:22
of awards over several years.
19:24
That being said, it is part
19:26
of their of their segment.
19:28
It is a nice vehicle in its own regard.
19:33
But for whatever reason, Jeep just can't
19:36
get their crap together when it comes to
19:38
this vehicle because it seems to be
19:40
taking the brand down as a
19:42
whole for every three months.
19:44
There seems to be something else popping
19:46
up with the Grand Cherokee.
19:47
Another issue, another thing in the news,
19:49
another recall, yada, yada.
19:50
It just it never ends.
19:53
Yeah, well, don't forget about the fire
19:54
thing that we reported on a month or two
19:56
ago about the gladiators
19:58
and the the modern Wranglers.
20:02
Forcing a forcing a electrical connection
20:05
and now there's a big recall for that.
20:08
My recall came in the
20:09
other day about a week ago.
20:10
So I have a have the
20:12
recall for the gladiator now.
20:14
I got to check and see if it's something
20:16
that they're going to
20:16
be keeping for a while.
20:17
I would hope that they would pull it in
20:20
check the wiggle the connection.
20:22
If a fire doesn't start, you're okay.
20:24
I know sparks Johnny.
20:25
We're good to go.
20:28
I mean, is that all it is?
20:29
Like, geez, kids got
20:30
to be more than that.
20:31
Yeah, no, they'll keep it for for a week.
20:33
This look like they're doing something.
20:35
Yeah.
20:36
Well, you might get a
20:37
loaner in the meantime.
20:37
Maybe you can score yourself a Grand
20:40
Wagoneer or something.
20:41
I don't know.
20:41
I might be, you know, I think Chris, you
20:43
know, I don't know if
20:44
you know this or not.
20:45
Chris is he has a head leak on his 3.6
20:48
and his 2020 gladiator and it's in the
20:52
shop right now and
20:53
they gave him a loaner.
20:54
They actually are keeping it
20:55
longer than what they said.
20:56
So the the Grand Cherokee they had.
20:59
He can only put 1200 miles on it.
21:01
So he had to take that back.
21:02
He got something else.
21:03
Oh, it's a Dodge Ram truck, but it has
21:05
the hurricane engine with two turbos for
21:09
the low end and the top end.
21:11
And he says that I would think I think
21:14
it'd be cool to drive
21:15
someone with a hurricane engine.
21:16
I've heard a lot of stuff about it.
21:18
Apparently that's the new inline six and
21:21
he's got the twin turbo version of that.
21:23
That should be the big horsepower output
21:26
version of that engine.
21:27
So he doesn't like the sound.
21:29
I don't blame him, but I could understand
21:31
the sound, you know, not that that
21:33
throaty sound or even the sound of a 4.0.
21:35
You're probably hearing the
21:37
school up more than anything.
21:39
But yeah.
21:42
Now, well, you know, that's that's I'd
21:45
take one of those as a loaner to I've you
21:47
know, can't can't argue with that.
21:48
But but nonetheless, so that are walking.
21:51
So yeah, true.
21:54
Right.
21:54
Taking the bus and we got this little
21:56
e-bike for you over here.
21:57
No, thanks.
21:58
Oh, and by the way, I
22:00
forgot to mention this.
22:01
They're they're taking it.
22:02
They're taking care of him.
22:03
It's not under warranty or
22:04
anything, but they're working.
22:05
I'm working them a deal Jeep is and
22:08
they're taking care of it for a nice.
22:11
It's it's a lot of money, but it's not
22:13
several thousands of dollars and they're
22:14
doing both head gaskets.
22:17
Not one.
22:18
So and they whenever they asked him for
22:21
his email address, he gave him a Chris at
22:24
Jeep talk show and he
22:25
goes, oh, Jeep talk show.
22:28
Get out of here.
22:28
Yeah.
22:29
Yeah.
22:30
Yeah.
22:31
Oh, you're with Jeep talk show.
22:33
Oh, so that's that's all I don't give a
22:36
about his head gas
22:36
because I think the yeah, right.
22:38
I said the name of the mission.
22:39
Heck.
22:40
Yeah, that's what it's all about.
22:41
I'm going to get a banner
22:42
over to that over to that.
22:43
You know, he's
22:44
supposed to pick it up today.
22:45
I wonder if he got it.
22:46
I bet you did.
22:46
We were taking bets that they're not
22:48
going to have it ready in time.
22:50
The time they gave out a read chat to
22:52
them to see what's up.
22:53
Yeah.
22:54
That's funny.
22:54
Yeah, we got to send a JTS flag over to
22:57
that over to that shop and
22:59
you know, some fans over there.
23:00
That'd be nice.
23:02
So how about an FU you effing F we got we
23:05
got what we got time
23:06
for one of those Tony.
23:07
Are you are you upset again?
23:10
Were you are you upset because you didn't
23:11
get it out of your system
23:12
last week or a little bit?
23:14
I mean sure it's pent up energy, but I'm
23:16
always in you know, I've always got I've
23:18
always got some F on store.
23:20
I mean, I've got an F bomb an actual F
23:23
bomb around here somewhere.
23:24
That I'm just ready
23:25
to drop in any moment.
23:26
But yeah, no, so yeah, this week this
23:30
week's FU you FU is brought to you by
23:35
General Civil Engineering and the guys
23:37
who you know, paint
23:38
the stripes on the road.
23:39
Tony imagine if you will
23:41
play along with me here.
23:43
You've got you know, you've got a road
23:45
and just a road going down, you know,
23:47
whatever you've got
23:48
one Lane going one way.
23:50
You've got one Lane
23:51
coming back the other way.
23:52
What is the Lane that would be right in
23:54
the middle of those two lanes?
23:57
The FU Lane.
23:59
Well, we're getting to that that would be
24:02
called the turn Lane and and what what
24:05
what job what purpose is the turn.
24:08
What why is that Lane there?
24:10
What is it?
24:11
What purpose so you can get the hell out
24:12
of the way of traffic that's going
24:14
through and wait your turn
24:17
so that you can make a turn.
24:18
Yes, I believe
24:20
personally just my opinion.
24:22
That the turn Lane is meant to be turned
24:25
from not through you don't turn through
24:30
the turn Lane you turn
24:31
from the turn Lane you.
24:34
Okay, that you don't slow down to seven
24:37
and a half miles per hour before you then
24:40
almost coming to a complete stop finally
24:42
decide to turn your happy left to go to
24:45
McDonald's or something.
24:46
Yeah, no, the turn Lane is there for you
24:48
to at speed enter into without even
24:52
touching the break you move into that
24:54
turn Lane you then apply the break in
24:56
getting the out of the way for traffic to
24:59
move past you and keep going.
25:01
So the flow of traffic can continue you
25:04
don't stop almost coming to a complete
25:07
stop turning across the turn Lane like
25:11
it's some invisible thing to be turned
25:13
across instead of used for what it's.
25:15
All my God is it is this not taught
25:20
anymore to the giant left arrow signals,
25:23
you know things in the middle the giant
25:25
shapes that point you going one direction
25:28
to those not give you a clue that maybe
25:30
perhaps that Lane should be reserved for
25:33
people who want to turn from it.
25:35
What else is it there for?
25:37
What do the lines that you know solid in
25:39
the dash line where you never taught what
25:41
the solid in the dash lines mean clearly
25:44
not because now you're sitting with half
25:46
your vehicle in two lanes waiting to turn
25:50
into a shopping mall you.
25:52
So you you for not knowing what the lines
25:56
mean let alone the Lane in
25:58
the middle and what it's for.
26:01
Do you get those where they don't they
26:04
can't decide if they're going to get into
26:06
the turning Lane or stay in the Lane that
26:09
they're in and I really like the ones
26:12
where they're they're cruising along
26:14
there right on the edge of the tires
26:16
right on the edge of the line between the
26:17
turning Lane and the main Lane and then
26:20
they're they're looking and they go oh
26:22
this isn't where I wanted to turn.
26:24
No, let me let me dark back into the
26:26
right right in the corner panel.
26:30
I've already got the pedal to the floor
26:32
to pass their dumbass.
26:34
Oh, yeah, you know absolutely absolutely.
26:36
Yeah, I know.
26:38
Taking a right turn from the left Lane
26:40
and the end of the thing.
26:41
Oh, wait a minute.
26:41
I wanted to go that way.
26:45
That's I don't have my Donald's keep on.
26:47
I can't go there.
26:48
I see them all the time and that's why
26:52
that's why I like I get like this and
26:55
because these people are out there.
26:56
He's like, I've never
26:57
seen these people before.
26:58
Why is he so excited about this person?
27:01
These people must not exist.
27:02
He's saying it's a
27:03
figment of his imagination.
27:05
No, they're real.
27:07
They're out there and
27:08
they must be stopped.
27:10
All right, Josh.
27:10
You're 85 years old.
27:12
You're in a self-driving vehicles because
27:14
they've taken over the world and you're
27:17
going to be the old guy.
27:18
In the back going you kids you don't know
27:21
people wouldn't make a
27:22
turn in the turn Lane.
27:23
We'd have to fight with this scenario.
27:26
No, I've already
27:27
thought about this scenario.
27:28
I'm going to be 85 years old, but I want
27:30
to be the one with his legs in the air
27:32
because I'm upside down in what the
27:34
driver's seat would be looking for some
27:36
sort of access panel underneath the dash
27:38
so I could see what's going on up
27:40
underneath all of this and see how it
27:41
works and perhaps maybe even cause some.
27:45
It'd be like warning
27:46
for the going any further.
27:48
You will get a security violation.
27:51
Man, I know it'll be on film and stuff.
27:53
I'll go viral, but I'll be like 90.
27:56
It doesn't matter the
27:56
level of technology.
27:57
It doesn't matter the level of control
27:59
people like you and I will
28:00
always be able to something up.
28:02
I have to underestimate the power.
28:06
We have too much information from all the
28:08
stuff that we've learned about
28:10
electronics and vehicles and stuff and
28:13
it's going to be good.
28:15
They won't put us in jail because that
28:16
would be cruel and unusual punishment.
28:18
They're going to have to put us to work.
28:19
That's the problem.
28:22
We're going to get hired by the CIA and
28:23
our in our elder years and it's like, all
28:25
right, you get to work.
28:29
Oh, speaking of getting to work.
28:31
Let's let's do a little Nikki G here.
28:34
Hey, this is Nikki G.
28:35
And did you know contrary to popular
28:38
belief pigs don't really speak pig Latin?
28:41
Yeah, they speak porche G.
28:44
I don't know.
28:47
I messed it up second time now.
28:50
I'm going to roll with it because that's
28:51
I think that's about the best I can do.
28:55
Hey, do you know how you can spot a blind
28:57
man at a nudist camp?
29:00
It's not very hard.
29:03
All right, boys.
29:04
Oh, it's just it's yeah,
29:08
it's that kind of joke.
29:11
I was a girl a
29:12
chatulator to have a good one.
29:13
Bye.
29:18
Oh, man.
29:18
I got to love me some Nikki G.
29:19
I those those mugs the shirts we got over
29:23
there on the at the shop at the Jeep talk
29:24
show store where it's like I know Nikki G
29:27
or I've met Nikki G.
29:28
I forgot what it says now,
29:29
but yeah, I know Nikki G.
29:30
Yeah, I know Nikki G.
29:32
Yeah.
29:32
Yeah.
29:33
No, you got to get one of those got it
29:34
got to know some Nikki
29:35
G got to love Nikki G.
29:37
Anyways, well, that's all we got for this
29:39
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29:41
Going to wrap it up.
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