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Why Aren't The Tigers Connected To Eugenio Suárez? · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, Welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network, a Detroit Tiger's podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Kieren Steckley with me, as always a man who
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  Speaker 2: How you doing?
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  Speaker 3: Ooh, that's a good one. I don't subscribe to serious XM. No,
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  Speaker 3: no offense serious. I guess they're not sponsors. So we're
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  Speaker 3: good to talk about this, right. I can listen to
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  Speaker 3: anything I want on disposal at my phone. I just
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  Speaker 3: don't need serious XCM.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I hope you don't need serious XM
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  Speaker 1: for your Tigers coverage because you're listening to this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: We appreciate everybody joining us today. I am a serious
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  Speaker 1: XM subscriber because I listened. I just like to have
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  Speaker 1: old radio access to games all the teams I like,
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  Speaker 1: and so I get my money's worth there and that
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  Speaker 1: and that includes, you know, listening to Dan Diggerson and
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  Speaker 1: in this case, Dan Petrie on the on the radio
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  Speaker 1: broadcast if I'm in a pinch, can't really watch or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I hope we're a little.
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  Speaker 1: Bit more pleasant to listen to than what Dan Dickerson
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  Speaker 1: had to describe over these past couple of days because
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  Speaker 1: the Tigers have been swept. They have now lost five
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  Speaker 1: of six since the All Star break, which, speaking of
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  Speaker 1: the All Star break, maybe they could use one because
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  Speaker 1: it kind of looked like a tire team at times.
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  Speaker 3: It had a break. I mean, I know some of
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  Speaker 3: them were busy at the All Star Game in Atlanta,
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  Speaker 3: but they got a break. It's kind of hard to
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  Speaker 3: get swept by the Pittsburgh Pirates.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 3: What it wasn't just that they lost. It was that
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  Speaker 3: the brand of baseball was bad. It was obviously very
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  Speaker 3: sloppy in Game two of that series. The starting pitching
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  Speaker 3: did not give you much all series. The bats and
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  Speaker 3: you know, they were okay, but struggled getting into games
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  Speaker 3: pretty much every day. Didn't feel like the Tigers. Right,
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  Speaker 3: We've talked about this all year, that a stretch like
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  Speaker 3: this was coming. They had kind of the loll where
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  Speaker 3: it went from lighting the world on fire to playing
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  Speaker 3: closer to five hundred and now they've really had the
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to say bottom fallout, but at least
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  Speaker 3: for this short stretch here, the bottom's falling out. This
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  Speaker 3: is the worst baseball they have played all year. It's
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  Speaker 3: I guess that's the question. How concerning is it. I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to dismiss it. I don't want to say
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  Speaker 3: this doesn't matter. You've lost six to seven, you get
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  Speaker 3: swept by the pirates. It's not what you want. But
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  Speaker 3: I also think this was gonna happen. It's I kind
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  Speaker 3: of agree with what gliber tourists said, which is like,
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  Speaker 3: that's probably best that this happens now, you get it
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  Speaker 3: out of your system. But this can't go on forever.
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  Speaker 3: I guess it's just the only counterpoint. Yeah, at some
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  Speaker 3: point you got to play a little better baseball.
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  Speaker 1: Like, look like, I can handle bad pitching starting, I
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  Speaker 1: can handle bullpen guys getting exposed.
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  Speaker 2: I can handle.
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  Speaker 1: Slumps at the plate, even like over aggressiveness on the
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  Speaker 1: base pass. The thing that I just that that actually
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  Speaker 1: is of concer to me is bucking. And there's a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of a pun there, bucking your like team.
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  Speaker 2: Identity, a little bit by like.
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  Speaker 1: Making just for lack of a better term, elementary mistakes
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  Speaker 1: and and and and you know we joke about is
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  Speaker 1: momentum a real thing or whatever? I don't know, Man,
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday was a pretty good case for negative momentum with
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  Speaker 1: the amount of just mental errors that we saw the
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  Speaker 1: Tigers make that were uh kind of to twenty two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and like twenty one and before esque, if we're
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  Speaker 1: being honest, And then even I had flashbacks. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they're playing Toronto next So I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if my mind was there, but I had flashbacks to
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  Speaker 1: last year. It was last year right in Toronto, Matt
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  Speaker 1: Vierling standing up or maybe two years ago standing up,
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  Speaker 1: going to the second base and like stealing second base
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  Speaker 1: and you know, obviously getting out and you know, Hobvey
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  Speaker 1: then Javey Air being benched. Like I was kind of
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  Speaker 1: getting like just not good memories there, and it was
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  Speaker 1: so unfamiliar that on one hand, I do want to say,
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  Speaker 1: you know, crumple it.
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  Speaker 2: Up and move on.
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  Speaker 1: Aj had the right message, I thought, where it's like
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  Speaker 1: you gotta wear it and you gotta and you gotta
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  Speaker 1: move forward, Like that's the correct message.
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  Speaker 2: On the other hand, dude, like.
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  Speaker 1: There there's still things that like actually should not happen,
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  Speaker 1: And I usually I usually don't come across that strongly
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  Speaker 1: about like okay, well, one hundred and sixty two games,
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  Speaker 1: all these plays like something like this will happen, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: but I can't tell you the last time a good team,
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  Speaker 1: a first place team like had a guy just flat
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  Speaker 1: out miss home plate. Like I can't tell you that
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  Speaker 1: last time I saw a sixty win team at this
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  Speaker 1: point in the year like have a ball, dribble pass
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  Speaker 1: first base and then kind of just lacks a daisical
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  Speaker 1: as if as if there was nobody else on, like
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  Speaker 1: go get the ball and then try to like like
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  Speaker 1: that's the Pirates are doing things we expected to tie
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  Speaker 1: to do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you see, I think that's what's most concerning this
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  Speaker 3: happening against the Pirates. You know, this wasn't a stretch
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  Speaker 3: against the Dodgers or the Yankees or Blue Jays even
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  Speaker 3: like whoever. This was against a bad team.
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  Speaker 1: All we heard was that like they don't hit, like
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  Speaker 1: and all they did was hit.
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  Speaker 2: That's like all they did.
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  Speaker 1: And then and and then you know, like some of
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  Speaker 1: the offensive output like like was a little bit empty
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  Speaker 1: calorie ish.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Jake Rodgers' home run was not.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't want to include that because that makes
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  Speaker 1: it a two run game there and you're still in it.
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  Speaker 2: But but like.
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  Speaker 1: Jamai Jones, like credit to him for having the longest
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  Speaker 1: home run of the year. Kind of an empty calorie play.
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  Speaker 1: It's not necessarily completely his fault, but that's but I
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  Speaker 1: can't feel great about it in a low, low, low
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  Speaker 1: leverage situation, if you skirt across across the run like
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  Speaker 1: they did today, you know, like if you want to
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  Speaker 1: be some positive, all right, Tork's got a couple extra
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  Speaker 1: base hits, But like there or there was output that
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  Speaker 1: you would want in situations that was going to like
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  Speaker 1: kind of carry you, and there wasn't that at all
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  Speaker 1: in this series.
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  Speaker 2: And so like it feels like.
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  Speaker 1: A a little bit of a pivoting point that like
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  Speaker 1: if there is any sort of demise, we are at
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  Speaker 1: the point where we will look to like that's where
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  Speaker 1: we're at, or if it's or if there's like you know,
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  Speaker 1: an ascension and everything's okay, we will look at like
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna look at back.
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  Speaker 2: At this and in either direction, is what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: Like, so it's not like a nothing time, you see
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, This is a time that we're going
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  Speaker 1: to remember, regardless of the direction of the team.
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  Speaker 2: And and so.
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  Speaker 5: I just.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like seeing the team not play to their identity.
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  Speaker 1: It's not about their ability all the time.
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  Speaker 3: He's just like talk radio. I think the question would be,
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  Speaker 3: is this and flows on one sixty two or the
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  Speaker 3: Tigers not know how to be front runners? And that
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  Speaker 3: seems like a little bit of a shallow talking point.
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  Speaker 3: But then I started thinking about it, and I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: You come back from the break, you have a double
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  Speaker 3: digit game leading the Ale Central young team, never been
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  Speaker 3: in this situation before. It would be hard for that
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  Speaker 3: to not at least seep in the back of your mind,
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  Speaker 3: and maybe you think, all right, hey, we got this,
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  Speaker 3: and maybe you lose attention to detail, and you combine
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  Speaker 3: that with the ebbs and flows on one sixty two,
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  Speaker 3: and then you have a really bad stretch. I am
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  Speaker 3: not sure that there's not something to that.
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  Speaker 2: Look. I I agree with with that cement. You just
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  Speaker 2: gave what.
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  Speaker 1: I also kind of want to know because in terms
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  Speaker 1: of like, you know, who's you know, how do you
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  Speaker 1: play as a front runner where the hunted in a way,
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  Speaker 1: even though you know obviously the pirates aren't hunting you. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: who's the guy that can give someone a kick in
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  Speaker 1: the keyster on this team? I think that's an interesting
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  Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting question.
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  Speaker 2: Like we we'velouted and yeah, I mean that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well we got an example of that last year
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  Speaker 1: in the aftermath with the runners meeting or whatever. So
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  Speaker 1: that's so yes that that is worth remembering. Uh, But
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  Speaker 1: like I think someone on the field, that'd be great.
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  Speaker 1: We've lotted leadership of different guys in different scenarios in
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  Speaker 1: this team so far, but they're not not to.
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  Speaker 2: This way that might be needed, might be needed.
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  Speaker 1: It might be someone might need to say, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: someone might need to get in somebody's face. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I think they've been together long enough that they understand
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  Speaker 1: where it's coming from and it can and it can
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  Speaker 1: be a good thing overall, but someone might need to
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  Speaker 1: get in somebody's face because what we saw this week
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  Speaker 1: was just like poor.
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  Speaker 2: It was just poor.
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  Speaker 1: It's not the standard that they have set this year.
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  Speaker 1: And like I said, we're gonna come back to this
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  Speaker 1: in either direction, and the trade deadline looming and all
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  Speaker 1: these things like let's the mind wander Cody and let's
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 3: They're going to return home and they're gonna it's going
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  Speaker 3: to be like this never happened. It's just my prediction.
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  Speaker 3: I then getting their home park is going to do
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  Speaker 3: some good that.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe that may be.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, you're you're walking into you're walking into
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  Speaker 1: a situation over the team that is playing some good ball.
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  Speaker 2: So like you you better, you know you better, you
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  Speaker 2: better be on it. There.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, we're gonna talk about, you know, kind of the
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  Speaker 1: main thing today and it was a mix of good
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  Speaker 1: and bad, and that is Troy Melton and his major
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  Speaker 1: league debut.
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  Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, we've got to see the uh,
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  Speaker 1: the end result of an accession ascension to the major
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  Speaker 1: leagues a pretty quick one really if you look at it.
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  Speaker 1: Just an in the year's time coding. That is Troy Melton,
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  Speaker 1: who debuted today and and the corresponding move Terrek Schouogle
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  Speaker 1: is going on the paternity list. So congratulations to the
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  Speaker 1: school family. I hope everything goes well with that. But
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  Speaker 1: Troy Melton five manning, six runs, seven hits, seven k's,
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  Speaker 1: two walks. I think we saw, we saw enough to
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  Speaker 1: justify the hype. It was just kind of on the
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  Speaker 1: it's just kind of on the back end. And also,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he got himself a baptism in Major league hitting.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you know, Austin Jackson has said repeatedly on
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  Speaker 1: this podcast, He's like, you know, you can throw ninety seven,
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  Speaker 1: but if I know where it's gonna be, it's not
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  Speaker 1: gonna be a problem. And and it didn't take long.
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  Speaker 1: Andrew mccutche and gave him a little welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: major League's moment fastball ninety seven. I think it was
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  Speaker 1: but caught a little bit, not terrible pitch, but caught
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  Speaker 1: too much of the plate for a guy like Cutch
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  Speaker 1: And and and that was kind of the theme is that,
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  Speaker 1: like I thought that he was not hitting the spots
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  Speaker 1: needed against major league hitters, and and and that resulted
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  Speaker 1: in a barrage of runs, including a Grand Slam. But
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  Speaker 1: after but once he settled in, you saw it. You
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  Speaker 1: saw exactly why he can be effective. There is velocity there.
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  Speaker 1: I think his very very short scut of report. I
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  Speaker 1: think his motion has potential for deception. It's pretty quick.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's probably something that's served him well to
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  Speaker 1: this point and in theory could serve him well moving forward.
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  Speaker 1: And also, like I thought, you know, I was looking
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  Speaker 1: at every single time there's a base hit or especially
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  Speaker 1: after you know, runs, home runs or whatever. I was
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  Speaker 1: kind of looking at bidy language, and I was trying
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  Speaker 1: to assess, like, okay, like you just got touched here
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  Speaker 1: pretty quickly, and you know, after the excitement of a
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  Speaker 1: major league debut, and like, how are you handling it?
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  Speaker 2: And like he it never.
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  Speaker 1: Looked like like he lost his composure.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, he was.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of like, like I want to say, smilings that
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  Speaker 1: implies like he's happy. Obviously he wasn't happy, but like
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  Speaker 1: he was composed. You could tell he was not overwhelmed
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  Speaker 1: by everything. And the results, you know, towards the end
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  Speaker 1: of his ending gutting out or outing gutting out five innings,
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  Speaker 1: I think he had like what six strikeouts in his
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  Speaker 1: last fourteen batters. Like that tells me that the mental
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  Speaker 1: makeup is is okay, in which you know you know, no,
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  Speaker 1: you know't know that unless you're around him or you
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  Speaker 1: see him in this kind of setting.
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  Speaker 2: And I and and I thought that was.
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  Speaker 1: An encouraging sign for Troy Melon. So obviously a mixed bag.
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  Speaker 1: The results are the results. The era is the ra
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  Speaker 1: for for one outing, but I think we saw enough
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  Speaker 1: to justify the decision and the hype.
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  Speaker 2: See if he can put it together, if he gets ano.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we don't still another plan, but see if
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  Speaker 1: he can put to put it together in his his
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  Speaker 1: next chance out there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're never gonna justify anything with one start. Like
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  Speaker 3: someone added me on XS, Like you didn't include in
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  Speaker 3: your scouting report that he gets rocked. It was like
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  Speaker 3: a funny joke, right, Gotcha struggled to get into the game.
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  Speaker 2: Made it okay.
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  Speaker 3: I thought ninety seven challenge fastball to mccutch and it
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  Speaker 3: got hit out. He gave a grand slam. I thought
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  Speaker 3: it was an odd pitch call. He threw a oo
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  Speaker 3: cut or mist went back back door cutter to a
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  Speaker 3: lefty one to ohero leaked over the plate, got absolutely destroyed.
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  Speaker 3: I assume it was mints, be back door, may be
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  Speaker 3: inside whatever, it's bad pitch. I thought it was a
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  Speaker 3: strange pitch call. He had obviously walked a couple guys,
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  Speaker 3: a lot a couple of runners on in that inning,
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  Speaker 3: which led to the grand slam. Wasn't what you wanted.
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  Speaker 3: You can look here if you're watching on YouTube. Here's
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  Speaker 3: his pitch chart. Pretty simple to see what went wrong.
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  Speaker 3: There's way too much middle here. Guys tend to learn
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  Speaker 3: that in the major leagues. I think Schooble once learned
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  Speaker 3: that a guy who only lasted two winnings and gave
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  Speaker 3: up four runs and a homer and his debut. So
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  Speaker 3: I don't have any huge takeaways from Melton's debut. Left
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  Speaker 3: too much middle and then you look at how he
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  Speaker 3: comes out of the day to your point, Karan, and
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  Speaker 3: it kind of better than it felt. He got fourteen whiffs,
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  Speaker 3: he had a thirty cold strike with rate, which is
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  Speaker 3: exactly what you want. Got a little better as the
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  Speaker 3: game went on. The slider missed eight bats. He didn't
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  Speaker 3: use the cutter as much as he had in the
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  Speaker 3: minor leagues. Again, one got hit out. Didn't really go
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  Speaker 3: back to it after that, but there were some encouraging signs,
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  Speaker 3: clearly some stuff to work with. It would have been nice,
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  Speaker 3: given the losing stretcher on to get a more competitive
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  Speaker 3: outing out of him. But overall, hey, first taste of
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  Speaker 3: the big leagues. I think we're gonna see a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more of this kid. You just want him to
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  Speaker 3: be sharper in the next two to three outings. See
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  Speaker 3: if he's able to learn, see if he's able to
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  Speaker 3: adjust on the fly in the major leagues.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like I said, those are things that you
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  Speaker 1: just don't know until you know. And go back to
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  Speaker 1: like the emotional part of his I always want to
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  Speaker 1: make mention of this great to see his family, see
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  Speaker 1: the excitement there, even the little stuff like after his
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  Speaker 1: first strikeout, Dingler throws the ball back to him, but
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  Speaker 1: then Dingler's like mostly to the dugout to.
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  Speaker 2: Throw it there.
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  Speaker 1: You know, a little little things like that are are
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  Speaker 1: are really cool. And and I think like even like
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  Speaker 1: the five inning and stuff, part of it is not
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  Speaker 1: something I want to overlook because like there's there's this
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  Speaker 1: we've seen it over and over again where guys just
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  Speaker 1: like let that wear on them and then it's hard
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  Speaker 1: to you know, it's hard to come back from that
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  Speaker 1: in a metaphorical sense.
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  Speaker 2: And and and he was able to do that.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: So like you know, the cutter aspect, you know, he
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: I do think that that's a pitch that in order
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: to throw it that short of a span into elect
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: that's obviously something he feels like he's comfortable with.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: It's just didn't work out in that particular instance.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: And game plans to justin and all that stuff, So
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: like I I don't want to overreact to things I
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: don't know, but like that's why I'm looking at the
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: I'm just making my observations based on things that I
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: can see. And I think that I think his like
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: I want to go back to his uh, his motion,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: the deception aspect of it. If he is able to
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: get ahead in some counts that like these these are
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: all these like little things that are gonna work for
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: his favor, like in different situations. And also maybe if
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: he scored there early, you know, he comes out there
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: with the lead, and he feels like a little bit better,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: you know, like you know, with as much as we
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: have harped on the starting pitching in general in this series,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: and for good reason, it's not like the Tigers' bats
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: have been able to like give them help early on.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: I think I think the stat is there the Tigers
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: are like what forty two to ten or something like
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: that when they score first, and and so like that's
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: that's something that I don't know what it is on
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: the road, but I imagine it's probably even better on
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: the road in a day game where he can kind
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: of take any sort of crowd out of it, and
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: they weren't able to necessarily do that. So you know,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: happy for true. I would like to see him again,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: like to see him at home, you know. But it
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: was also another reminder of how hard this is. I
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: like the schoolbol thing there, how hard this is. And like,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: you love these prospects, you the general, you love these prospects,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: but even when they get called up, sometimes it takes time,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: and sometimes it's worth parting with them in order to
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: get a piece that can help you right now.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: In the midjor leagues. You're speaking generally.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: And on that note, there is one name on the
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: market that's everywhere Cody, but not on the Tigers discussion discourse,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: and that is mister Suarez Gino, I believe is what
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: the what the kids call him? And I think, yeah,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: he might have just hit another home run. He's hot
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: out of the All Star break, and he's a hot name.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: He's everywhere, dude, every single you know linked to the Yankees,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: the Cubs, you know, like all these teams like want
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: them a piece of Geno and radio silent Tigers wise,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: So my question is should that be the case? And
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: is is there's is there deception to the fact that
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: the Tigers are not linked to really anybody, that anybody could.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Just come up with a list. You see what I'm saying,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: there's not really a whole lot.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Of like yeah, yeah, oh yes, I get like, when
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: are they ever though? Like this is a tight lipped
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: front office. If you haven't learned that lesson by now,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: pay attention, Pay attention. In the off season, no one
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: had them linked them to Glabor Torres or really Tommy Kinley.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Flairty was a little bit for obvious reasons. John Trebia
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: was not really a name that was on people's radar
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: when that happened. They don't telegraph their moves, They don't
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: talk to a lot of people. They don't give a
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: lot of information to reporters, whether it's local or national.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: I think that is one large reason you are not
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: hearing a lot publicly about the Tigers. My sense and
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: I can't claim to know exactly what's going on in
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: their brains, but it seems like the focus is on
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: their relief market right now. Swerez. I wonder if that's
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: radio silent because they're not interested in Karen. I don't
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: know that, but it's gonna be a heavy market. That
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: is a seller's market for you. Hanio Suarez. The Tigers
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: look we talked about this. I said last episode, I've
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: really gone back and forth on how I feel about
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: making that sort of acquisition. I think I've thought about more.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: I think I'm out. I think I'm out. The thing
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: that keeps that sometimes pulls me back in is just
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: the power. The stat every World Series winner since twenty
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: nineteen has ranked in the top four in Major League
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Baseball and home runs power, the ability to change with
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: scoreboard plays in the postseason. But making a move to
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: go get Geno Suarez would completely unravel the style of
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: team you have built. He would be plugged in in
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: theory as your third basement slightly below average defender. That's
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: gonna put Colt Keith, who's been really good now at DH.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Except Carry Carpenter is gonna come back, and then you're
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: gonna have more McKinstry and outfield. You're gonna have more
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Veerling and outfield. You're gonna have Carry, You're gonna have Winstel.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: That's a lot of right fielders. Some of them can
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: play center well. Carrie cult DH like, do you really
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: want to be taking either of those guys out of
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: the lineup every day? It limits your flexibility, It limits
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: your ability to chase matchups late in the game. You're
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: putting a lot of chips into the Geno Suarez basket.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: You know, hey, you know, he happens to be playing
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: probably the best stretch of baseball in his entire career.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Now he's a proven power hitter. He also rings in
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: the bottom of eleven percentile and with rate. So if
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: you're complaining about Hiley Green, kind of getting another player
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: with a very similar profile. And I do worry a
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: little bit, like what if the bottom falls out? What
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: if he gets traded somewhere in the second half and
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: hits a slump that it feels like he's due for
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: a little bit. That's a natural worry. Even if he doesn't.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: He's not gonna come cheap, all right. The Tigers ain't
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: gonna be trading Max Clark to go get you Haniu Suarez.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: And I'm not sure you're gonna be able to copy
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: together the type of offer that gets the deal done
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: from some of your mid tier type prospects. Are you
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: willing to trade major league ready talent like a Jayce
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Young or a Justin Henry Malloy. That's a tougher question.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Something I'll be interested to see me personally, I just
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: don't think it's quite worth it.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: It's a little.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Risky now to go in the postseason without with the
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: current amount of power you have. But the last team
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: to not be in the top four in home runs
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: is the Washington Nationals. The Tigers offensively, they don't have
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: a sotocessarily, but they're built a little more in the
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: mold of those Nationals in terms of kind of like
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: the scrappiness, the getting contributions up and down the order.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: This was never constructed to be a team that was
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: going to lead the league in homers. It's gotten them
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: this far. Maybe it comes back to bite them in
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: the playoffs, but maybe it comes back to bite you
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: down the long haul if you give up the farm
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: for a third baseman, kind of a one dimensional player,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: just ring chasing. I'm not sure it's the move. I
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: don't know for sure what the Tigers are thinking, but
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: I bet that that's kind of their thought as well.
• 23:35
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, Cody touched on something there that I
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: think is actually very key. The key point is, like,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: when you're imagining what the Tigers could do should do
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: at the deadline, is how comfortable are you you the
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: general you with the Tigers, which you would imagine the
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: team's a puzzle that fits pretty well, right, sixty wins,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: all that stuff, like, you know, take the macro approach
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: that everything fits pretty well, the front office, synergy with
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: coaching staff, players, boughten, all that stuff. You're not most
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: likely going to find a perfect fit to your construction
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: at the trade deadline. That's generally not how it works
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: because you have, like there's a little bit of a crunch.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: You know, teams, especially an expanded playoff era, have a
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: little bit of a more muddy picture about what they
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: actually can do and what they'd be willing to do,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: So you might have to overspend. You might have to
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: find someone who's not a great fit, like Cody kind
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: of laid out with Suarez. So what you have to
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: determine is a simple question, is that worth it? And
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: some guys it might be, and some guys it might not.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: So is it worth it to go?
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Because I'm thinking there might be even something we're not
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: even thinking about. In fact, it's almost a guarantee there's
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: something out there that we're not thinking about, like, like,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: go like a center fielder for instance, just not not
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: anyone in particular, but like you know, you're not getting
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of production at center right now.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe maybe maybe we should go get.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: A center fielder somewhere someone like So, are you comfortable
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: with essentially punting on Parker medals this season?
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Are like? Is that worth not?
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: I'm not, but it's the thought, so like.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but those are the things that you kind of
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: have to consider. Is that worth it to get something
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: that doesn't fit?
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Or if I told you I think there's a player
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: who perfectly fits everything you're trying to do, You're gonna
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: think I'm crazy. You're gonna think you're gonna think I'm
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: on drugs. Old friend Willie Castro, I'm dead serious. All around.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: The Diamonds switch hitter eight seventy ops against left handed
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: pitching this season. You can take him in a little
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: lower pressure role if you get him to Detroit. Doesn't
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: have to play every single day, but he can play
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: in field, he can play outfield. Doesn't play any of
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: them particularly well, but he's obviously become a better outfielder
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: than I ever thought he would be. He's versatile, hits
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: from both sides fast like. You would not have to
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: change anything. He would be such a plug and play
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: weapon who happens to be destroying right handed pitching. The
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: caveat theres you would have to make an in division trade,
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: you know. Joan Duran, Griffin Jacks also seemed like great
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: fits with the Tigers trade in division. It's another great
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: question that we don't really have the answer to. There's
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: precedent of the Twins doing it. So the Tigers got
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: saw your Gibson law. But that was a deal when
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: the Tigers were sellers. Was the ala Villa front office
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: with Scott Harris want to give up some young players
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: to a division rival. I could certainly see and understand
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: some hesitance there, but I tend to think the best
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: reliever fits might be right there in your division. And
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: I think a name I hadn't thought of until a
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: couple of days ago fits the positional roster as well
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: as anyone in the league.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I'm down for some Willie Castro now because of the
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: things that you said, and also like we we talked about,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: and then some other people have kind of said, like, hey,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: is there any way, like could you add a little
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: speed to the team, you know, for a stretch run
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: here and in the postseason. Yeah, Like Willie Castro is
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: not like a burner burner, but his sprint speed is
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: seventy four percent tile, his base running run value seventy
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: five percent tile batting run value is seventy eight So
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: just you know, running out the numbers there. Fielding's not
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: going to make you brag, but we already know this.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I like that a lot.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I like that, And also like I I'm glad you're
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: have of the division thing because I've sort of, like
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: any picture from Minnesota or from Cleveland, I've kind of
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: mentally like crossed that off because I just not even
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: from the Tiger's perspective, I just don't know if like
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: if Cleveland or Minnesota is gonna want their guys like
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: winning a division title you know, like like like who
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: cares well if you're a seller that you recently had
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: to come to that realization, that hurts a little bit more.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: It's a little bit more prideful, especially if it's a
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: guy that you know you might have to face for
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: a couple of years, like in uh, like you know
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: with like in Cleveland's case, with those with those backyard guys.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: So I just I just don't think that's gonna happen
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: because they also think we're sellers this year. It's not
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: like Tigers where they're like, all right, well, sellers, we'll
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: kind of figure it out, like like like they're they
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: they're gonna it's a cell to get back to it
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: in that instance. So I just kind of wrote, so
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: it's kind of unfortunate that the best believers or even
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of the best pitching options are in your division,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: and that's that's a price hike or even just like
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: out of the question.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: That's that's probably one of.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: The more unfortunate aspects of you know, kind of this
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: year's trade deadline dynamic.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Not something you can't overcome, but you know, part of it.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: So I think I think they need a bat. I
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: think if you're looking for takeaways from this past series,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: like you need a little you need a little insurance
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: here with this lineup. I don't think you need to
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: mortgage everything to get a Euhanium Suarez, but I think
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: a right handed beat, a capable player, a little bit
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: of a track record to help you out. Insurance in
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: the case of injury. God forbid, you know one of
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: your big boppers gets hurt, that would be killer. I
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: think you need to strengthen this lineup a little bit.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: I've tried to think of some names I mentioned on
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: My Rosario today. I mentioned Milie Castro, Randall Gritch, a
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: guy liked a lot in the offseason. Diamondback's teammate still
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: right hand platoon bad. He's more outfield, but he could
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: just slide into the Jami Jones DH thing. And you
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: still have some depth in Tripaa in Jahn and Jase
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: like they are guys who can come up and help.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: But I think you just need to pad this thing.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: I think you need to feel a little bit better.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: If we're being real, I feel those of the Tigers
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: lineup overachieved a little bit in the first half. That
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: doesn't mean they're not a good lineup. I think we're
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: past that. Like, I think these guys can play ball,
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: But are they at top eight offense? Are they the
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: second best run scoring offense in Major League Baseball? That's
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: banking a lot on hobby on McKinstry. Even I think
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Tork's probably gonna keep hitting some homers, but on consistent
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: production from Spencer Towerklsen, it's asking a lot. I think
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: you got to go get a bet. I'll be fascinated
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: to see if they actually want to do that and
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: to who they identify, because, like I've tried to get
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: outside the box. But that's the other thing about the Tigers.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Rarely do they do the obvious thing that you see
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: on let's the trade candidates, or that we all can
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: sit here and think of off the top of our heads,
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: or even if you do a little research. They're usually
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: looking at these things a little deeper, and they usually
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: do something that, let's be honest, we're wrong about most
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: of the time.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, like, I think a good way to.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Look at it from a from a bad perspective that
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I would like two words like regression protection, yes, regrets
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: or regression insurance, whichever phrase you like better. I think
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: like that part of that's like an injury think. Part
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: of it's like some of these dudes that you're you know,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: that you love to see this year have also played
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: a little bit more than you thought they would to
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: this point.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: So it would be nice to deepen.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: That well a little bit and then you know, like
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: the proven track record all that stuff, like.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Those those guys exist now.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Uh, and I'm sure I'm sure they've been identified by
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: the front office. And I'll be like said, I'll be
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: curious to see, uh if anything comes to fruition.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say linked.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: To but as we discussed up, no one's goet linked
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: to the Tigers.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: All right, Uh, that was fun.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: We're gonna obviously talk a lot of trade deadline over
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: the next week. It's gonna dominate my thought process, it's
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: gonna dominate Cody's free time.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 33:24
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