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White Women Asking For Reparations?!? (Lanterns Episode Six Review Feat. Dr. Drea Letamendi) · For All Nerds Show

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  Speaker 1: That's my wild outfit.
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  Speaker 2: Does the hologram, can that even like touch things? Is
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  Speaker 2: it like, can it, does it, is it even corporeal?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm making up the rules as I
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  Speaker 1: go along here. I don't know. And what's up, y'all?
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  Speaker 1: And welcome to another episode of the For All Nerd Show.
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  Speaker 1: It's your boy, DJ Ben Hameen, a.k.a. Slade Trilson. Edward Nygma, please.
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  Speaker 1: That purple, that purple, that purple lantern. Finestro here in
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  Speaker 1: the spaceship tonight. And as always, I am joined by.
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  Speaker 2: Tatiana King, the Grand Duchess of Tech, also known as
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  Speaker 2: Flex Luthor. Glorilla Grodd. Fear of Zod. Jewel Zantana. And
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  Speaker 2: Black and Yellow Lantern.
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  Speaker 1: And quite perplexed is the one and only Dr. Drea. Please,
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  Speaker 1: you know, reintroduce yourself to the fan fam.
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  Speaker 3: Great to be here. My name is Dr.
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  Speaker 4: Drea, AKA host of the Arkham sessions, AKA that bat
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  Speaker 4: shrink in Gotham, AKA Jessica Cruz's replacement, AKA Dre face.
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  Speaker 3: Happy to be here.
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  Speaker 2: For those who don't know, I have to mention, I
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  Speaker 2: have to really mention this. Dr. Drea has been friends
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  Speaker 2: of the, the function here for a very long time. Um,
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  Speaker 2: She is extremely intelligent, incredible in her wit and what
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  Speaker 2: she delivers when she's breaking down all of the psychology
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  Speaker 2: behind the fandom and everything in between. So this is
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  Speaker 2: the person that you definitely want to hear out when
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  Speaker 2: you want to talk about the inner workings of characters
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  Speaker 2: and people and things and how it all goes in between.
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  Speaker 2: So I just want to make sure I give you
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  Speaker 2: your flowers on that because you're amazing, Drea.
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  Speaker 3: Love you guys. Thanks so much for having me.
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  Speaker 1: No, and also just really one of the sweetest and
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  Speaker 1: most amazing people, you know, in general. So make sure
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  Speaker 1: y'all give her a follow and say the name of
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  Speaker 1: the podcast again one more time.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, it's the Arkham Sessions. Find us on Spotify, iTunes,
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  Speaker 4: wherever you listen. Also, we're now on YouTube.
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  Speaker 3: So check us out.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there you go. I mean, you'll see it in
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  Speaker 1: the link. If you're watching us right now on YouTube
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  Speaker 1: on foreigners.tv, you know, the link to Arkham Sessions will
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  Speaker 1: be right there. So make sure you click it and follow.
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  Speaker 1: And that being said, you know, we brought Dr. Dre
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  Speaker 1: here to discuss, you know, that show that quite a
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  Speaker 1: few people seem to be talking about right now. Lanterns
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  Speaker 1: episode six, bad optics. We got two more left. Let
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  Speaker 1: me just start off saying, right. We have Vanessa baiting
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  Speaker 1: Kelly on here a few weeks ago. Make sure you
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  Speaker 1: check that interview out also on our YouTube. And I've
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  Speaker 1: been emailing them back and forth since. And, They're like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: this week, you're really going to fall in love with Hal.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I already like Hal. Like, love Hal,
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  Speaker 1: you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And this week, I really fell in love with Hal.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, more so. And then I'm like, yo,
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  Speaker 1: this man might really be dead. And I'm tight.
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  Speaker 2: I am hurt him. Did the body, the cold dead
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  Speaker 2: body underground six feet not deal for you? The man
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  Speaker 2: is gone, Dundada.
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  Speaker 4: I actually am a real Hal Jordan truther. Like, I
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  Speaker 4: don't think that's him.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that's him either.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that's his, like, what do they call it?
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  Speaker 2: Lifesize carbon?
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  Speaker 1: Life model decoy. Life model decoy. I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: the DC version of that is. But, yeah, I do
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  Speaker 1: not think he's dead.
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  Speaker 3: It's a condom.
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  Speaker 1: What's the thing in Legion, in the Legion of Superheroes?
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  Speaker 1: I know they have this, like, blobby thing that imitates
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  Speaker 1: people when they die. Like, they have this blob-type creature
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  Speaker 1: that they've used to, you know, substitute for people.
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  Speaker 2: Well, in Pokemon, it's called a ditto. So, could have
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  Speaker 2: been a ditto. In Tekken, it's Moku Jin. Like, anybody
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  Speaker 2: could have did that. I hear y'all because... as we
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  Speaker 2: know from this series, whatever you see may not be
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  Speaker 2: actually what you get. Everything, you know, things behind things
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  Speaker 2: behind things as they, as was a song went in
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  Speaker 2: the last episode. Also Damon Lindelof at the end said, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I wrote him to be died, to be dead.
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  Speaker 1: I wrote him off.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm just like, is he actually dead?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe. I was tight with Damon and you know, another
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  Speaker 1: friend of the show and yeah, I haven't hit him up.
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  Speaker 1: I was just tight.
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  Speaker 2: I was, Yeah. In fact, in the after show credits,
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  Speaker 2: Tom King says that was Damon's idea.
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  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: From the beginning. So... But there's always trickery involved. Yes. So, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I do not want my man Hal Jordan to be dead.
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  Speaker 1: I'll just say that. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I will ride on the part you said about falling
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  Speaker 2: in love with him. I already liked Hal to begin with.
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  Speaker 1: He is.
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  Speaker 2: it was said, Vanessa Bain and Cully said it really best.
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  Speaker 2: He's a man of a certain age. He just be
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  Speaker 2: saying shit half the time. He don't necessarily mean anything
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  Speaker 2: deeper behind it. Sometimes, sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't,
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  Speaker 2: but he's very endearing. And I think he's lovable. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He's, he's, he's very lovable in an asshole-ish kind of way.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm, I've messed with him from jump street. It
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  Speaker 2: was just things that he was doing. Like, like everyone
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  Speaker 2: has that one good friend that you would really ride
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  Speaker 2: for them if they just got their shit together. And
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  Speaker 2: I feel like he's that type of guy where it's
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  Speaker 2: just like you always hang out with them. You cool
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  Speaker 2: with them. But it's just one little thing about that.
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  Speaker 2: Don't curl all the way over that. You're just like
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  Speaker 2: if you just wasn't such a ass, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 2: maybe this would be a better experience or a better relationship.
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  Speaker 2: But that doesn't stop you from being friends with them.
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  Speaker 2: And that's how I feel about how that's more of
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  Speaker 2: what I got from this episode.
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  Speaker 3: I think we all know how Jordan we all have
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  Speaker 3: a how Jordan is.
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  Speaker 4: In our lives and we're like at least for me
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  Speaker 4: I feel like look I don't want to I don't
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  Speaker 4: want to teach you like I'm I'll be friends with
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  Speaker 4: you I think you have my back like I'm thinking
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  Speaker 4: about how Jon Stewart's dealing with this mentorship slash betrayal
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  Speaker 4: and they keep like even now this this episode starts
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  Speaker 4: in 2026 right so even now we're seeing how again
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  Speaker 4: and again they're sort of brought back together, that there's
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  Speaker 4: this something that pulls them back together. And I think
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  Speaker 4: they're meant to learn from each other, especially Hal. He
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  Speaker 4: is imperfect. He's full of flaws. He got corrupted by
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  Speaker 4: the ring. And it's a lesson. That itself is a
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  Speaker 4: lesson for John.
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  Speaker 2: Is it the ring that corrupts? And I want to
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  Speaker 2: talk about that a little bit because every time I
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  Speaker 2: see the ring and people talk about what the ring
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  Speaker 2: has done to people, it often reminds me of things
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  Speaker 2: like money. Like when people say, oh, you know, you
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  Speaker 2: got the money. Now you act this way, you act
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  Speaker 2: that way. And I feel like the person was always
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  Speaker 2: that way or the person always acted a certain way.
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  Speaker 2: They just now that they have the means to do
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  Speaker 2: more with it, it's more intensified, if you will, like.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like people who are assholes are just more
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  Speaker 2: asshole when they get money, right? Or people who are
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  Speaker 2: very kind are more kind when they get money. Like
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  Speaker 2: if that's intrinsic to you, I just think the money,
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  Speaker 2: or in this case, the ring just makes it worse
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  Speaker 2: or intensify it, if you will. Is it really the
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  Speaker 2: ring that corrupts?
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  Speaker 4: My understanding is that in the comics, the ring is
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  Speaker 4: more of an extension of the person, including their personhood,
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  Speaker 4: their values, their ideas, their intelligence, everything that makes up
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  Speaker 4: that person. And so it's going to be a different,
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  Speaker 4: whoever holds the ring has a different manifestation of what
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  Speaker 4: that superpower is and what that leadership looks like.
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  Speaker 3: In the show, it's slightly different.
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  Speaker 4: It's more of a separate object, but I agree with
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  Speaker 4: you that the symbolism of this ring is what is
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  Speaker 4: powerful in, in the same way that, you know, in,
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  Speaker 4: in Tolkien's Lord of the Rings, uh, everyone has a
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  Speaker 4: different reaction. It's the context of how the ring impacts
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  Speaker 4: you and what, what kind of deep psychology do you,
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  Speaker 4: do you hold? And that's how you're going to interact
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  Speaker 4: with and operate with when you, when you have the ring. Um,
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, I think it's a little bit of column A,
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  Speaker 4: column B, but the idea that fearlessness is some kind
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  Speaker 4: of driver is something that I really challenge because in
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  Speaker 4: our experience of Hal, when I think of how he's behaving,
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  Speaker 4: I think a lot of that is fearful. I think
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  Speaker 4: he's not fearless anymore.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's, I won't say like a misconception,
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  Speaker 1: but I think people are always uh, maybe get a misconstrued,
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  Speaker 1: I guess is the word. Like, I don't think the
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  Speaker 1: ring is looking for you to not have fear. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's impossible for a human. I think it's the
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  Speaker 1: ability to overcome that fear and to face fear that
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  Speaker 1: on and to keep moving is what the ring is
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  Speaker 1: talking about. And I think, how does that like, well,
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  Speaker 1: how does get fearful? Like any person would, he keeps
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  Speaker 1: it moving. And like he says, I'm always right. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, That's something I did want to ask you though, Dre,
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  Speaker 1: is because I know the idea is that it's will
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  Speaker 1: that drives the ring. And like, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: those two always pull inside, right? The idea of having
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  Speaker 1: not fearing and having will, I think having will allow
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  Speaker 1: you to get over, you know, the idea of fear,
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  Speaker 1: but will doesn't automatically mean good, you know, especially by
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  Speaker 1: what we determine, you know, more realistically as good. So,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if any Green Lanterns have especially been villains, right?
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  Speaker 1: Has that ever been shown? I mean, other than Hal Jordan.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I said other than some stories in the book, right? And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, say what you want about Guy Gardner, right?
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  Speaker 1: No, because, yeah, when Hal was going around killing the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the Lantern Corps, he was still a Green Lantern, right? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he hadn't turned over to the yellow... right? I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm asking, too, because I'm just like, damn, you could
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  Speaker 2: still be part of the club, you could be part
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  Speaker 2: of gang, and you're killing your own gang members? Like,
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  Speaker 2: I ain't know that. I thought at that point, you
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  Speaker 2: on your own island, you're your own man unto yourself
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  Speaker 2: at that point. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, at one point, Hal Jordan does go around killing
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  Speaker 1: off a bunch of the Green Lantern Corps. And we
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  Speaker 1: were talking about this a few weeks ago. And I
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  Speaker 1: know he collects their rings and gains more power as
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  Speaker 1: he's collecting them. And it's revealed later that he's under
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  Speaker 1: control of Parallax and all that type of stuff. But
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  Speaker 1: at that point, he was still green. But the main
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  Speaker 1: point is, I don't think it really distinguishes between what
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  Speaker 1: is good or evil as much as what is willful. Which...
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  Speaker 1: Seems to be kind of problematic.
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  Speaker 4: What is willful and what is in service or who
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  Speaker 4: is in service to the guardians? Because I don't think
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  Speaker 4: the guardians tolerate any kind of subversion of their order.
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  Speaker 4: So I think you can really piss them off. And
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  Speaker 4: if you piss them off, I think they start looking
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  Speaker 4: for your replacement. So I think, I think that's maybe
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  Speaker 4: the most consistent part of the lore is that as
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  Speaker 4: a Green Lantern, you're in service to the guardians. And
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  Speaker 4: when you take that oath, when you wear the ring,
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  Speaker 4: when you represent that leadership, that's the order that you
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  Speaker 4: commit to. And I think to your point, that may
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  Speaker 4: be in opposition or misalignment with your own values. So
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  Speaker 4: just like when folks serve in the military or they,
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  Speaker 4: they're part of a big corporation or they have that
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  Speaker 4: kind of like, you know, that moral distress, that, is
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  Speaker 4: in part due to that misalignment between your individual values
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  Speaker 4: and then who you're in service to and who you
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  Speaker 4: show yourself publicly to. And when those decisions become really,
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  Speaker 4: or when the gap between the two become really big,
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  Speaker 4: that's when we start to see, I think, some of
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  Speaker 4: the things we see in Hal. Aggression, resentment, violence, people
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  Speaker 4: being messy. Like, Hal got really messy. And so I
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  Speaker 4: think his psychology is like, what's happening? Have you broken?
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  Speaker 4: And are we seeing a result of your breakdown?
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, that's a question I have then. All right, one,
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  Speaker 1: we're under the assumption that Hal is dead right now, okay?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And two, does Hal know that someone is coming to
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  Speaker 1: kill him? Possibly.
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  Speaker 2: The man is very astute.
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  Speaker 1: He tells John, don't mention to anyone that I'm in town.
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  Speaker 1: He has a shotgun aimed at the front door, so....
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  Speaker 2: Who did it?
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  Speaker 1: That does lead to the next question, yeah. Because, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that is part of the question. Does Hal know who
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  Speaker 1: someone's coming to kill him and who did it? So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: let's just get that one out the way. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Shout out to Black Day Comic Geek, who was on
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  Speaker 2: last episode. He pointed to Noah, the son, Zoe's grandson.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, a lot of people. On our last live that
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  Speaker 1: we did, Noah was the overwhelming favorite. ridiculous favorite for
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  Speaker 1: the murderer. I don't believe it.
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  Speaker 2: But that it's, he's a secondary manhunter as well. So
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  Speaker 2: I was just like, this shit is wild to me, but, um, that,
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  Speaker 2: that is the, I'm going to go with the internet theory.
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  Speaker 2: That is Noah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Uh, my potentials are husband, Billy too much. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Too much of a sucker is my name. Uh, I
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  Speaker 1: have John with a question mark.
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  Speaker 2: John be lying. Everybody be lying. Which is another question
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  Speaker 2: I have for Dr. Dre later, but go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. And then my main potentials are Bernadette, Noah, John,
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  Speaker 1: and Sheriff Carrie.
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  Speaker 2: Sheriff Kane. So Sheriff Carrie Kane, I could see because
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  Speaker 2: she's very sketchy to me. I don't know if it's
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  Speaker 2: just me, but I keep picking up sketch vibes from
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  Speaker 2: her every time she speaks about something. It's like every
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  Speaker 2: word she says is shrouded in mystery and doublespeak almost.
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  Speaker 2: And even the way she coyly chats with John, I'm
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  Speaker 2: just like... How is you getting that? Like, what are
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  Speaker 2: you what are you trying to actually say to me? Like,
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  Speaker 2: it always sounds like it's a secret that like she's
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  Speaker 2: trying to I got a secret for you, but I
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  Speaker 2: can't tell you. Like, it's strange. And I just keep
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  Speaker 2: getting this overwhelming feeling every time she speaks about anything.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like, what are you hiding? What is actually
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  Speaker 2: going on? what is the truth? Cause we also still,
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  Speaker 2: there's still backstory from her that we still don't even
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  Speaker 2: really know. We don't really, you know, we got some,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we got some information all the last before,
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  Speaker 2: you know, about her past, but I'm just like, who
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  Speaker 2: are you really? Who's you related to?
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  Speaker 3: What is this all about?
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Ben. What's her motive?
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  Speaker 2: What's your motive? And then even like her, the way
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  Speaker 2: she was moving with.
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  Speaker 1: John, like, Oh, I'm asking what is the motive? What
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  Speaker 1: would be her motive? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: That last name Kane got a lot of, got a
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  Speaker 2: lot of baggage to it. Who knows?
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  Speaker 3: Who is she in service to?
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 4: That's the under, cause I agree that she's shady. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know why. And I don't think she, I don't
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  Speaker 4: think she killed him. I don't think so either, but
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  Speaker 4: I definitely think she's shady and she may know more
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  Speaker 4: than she's telling John. And what you just said, the motive,
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  Speaker 4: I think there's so much, underlying motive, underlying need. Sometimes
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  Speaker 4: I will say unmet need. Like some of this is easy.
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  Speaker 4: We know John's unmet needs. John's unmet needs. This is
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  Speaker 4: a man who has been in service to so many
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  Speaker 4: orders and authority, but has not felt a sense of
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  Speaker 4: self-security and self-fulfillment because he's always in service to, he's
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  Speaker 4: in service to the Marines. He's in service to the government.
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  Speaker 4: He's in service to the guardians in some way. He
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  Speaker 4: was in service to Hal, surely in service to his
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  Speaker 4: parents who militarized his upbringing. So he, I would say
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  Speaker 4: he's a, he's an easy case in the sense that
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  Speaker 4: we know what his unmet needs are.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And, and so that's on the table with everyone around.
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  Speaker 4: I don't really know what's going on. with these suspects,
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  Speaker 4: what are their motivations? What are their unmet needs and
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  Speaker 4: who are they in service to? That for me is
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  Speaker 4: still very confusing.
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  Speaker 2: That's all I could think of about motivating. Who is
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  Speaker 2: she doing as a service to? Cause that last name
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  Speaker 2: got some weight to it. If it's even meant to
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  Speaker 2: be connected to the Kane family.
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  Speaker 1: Red herrings.
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  Speaker 4: That kid, Noah, I think that Noah is another red herring. He's, he's,
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  Speaker 4: he's sort of has this, um, kind of mysterious expression. He's,
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  Speaker 4: he's not very forthcoming. He, uh, Zoe told him, you know,
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  Speaker 4: remember what I told you?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Like she, he knows about everything that I told you.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: Everything.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: What is that?
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: Is that, Oh, you're going to, you're going to call
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: the government to help the city. Was that, that, that
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: couldn't have been it. The city is going to be destroyed.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: Call the government, call the feds to get, to get,
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: social services and, and no resources. I don't think that
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: was all the plan. I think there's more to it
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: than that.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's too calm for me for someone
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: who like you've as a kid, you clearly loved your
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: grandmother so much. I don't know if you knew the
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: truth behind what she was, but, for that conversation to happen.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: And clearly he's been indoctrinated in some way, which is
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: why I can't let him off the suspect list. Well,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, he's just, he's just too cool and
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: calm for me. And I don't trust that. It's just like,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: he's like, Oh, Hey John, what's up? Like, Oh, you
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: beat up my dad. He probably deserved it. Like real flat.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: And I was just like, not to say that he
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: needed to, to like stand for his dad. Clearly that
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: relationship is weird, but it was just something off and
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: strange about it. Just his kind of accept. And that's
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: another thing. What kind of relationship is that? That would like,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: he met John like twice. If that. So why did,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: how did it like, he came back like, Hey uncle John,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: what's up? Like, it was like, I don't, I haven't
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: seen this man in 10 years. I'm like 52 years
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: old now, whatever, how old, you know, Noah is, you know,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: young twenties, but it's just like, or sorry, he was
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: graduating high school, 18, whatever point is. It just, for
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: someone you don't even really know like that, but you
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: got some potentially bad blood with for various reasons for
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: you to just be real chill with them. It gave suspicious.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. also has a suit ready-made for John or found
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: that it's like... I wanted to ask about that. tailor-made, too,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: because John, you know, is quite a physique, and there's
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: no way you just dip that joint off the rack.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: He just had a suit out of nowhere, and it
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: fit perfectly.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: And it was his dad's, but... His dad is, like,
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: two feet tall.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: There's no way.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: His dad is literally two feet shorter than John. Like,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: no way.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Who's your other suspect? You said Carrie Kane. Who else....
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Moms.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: Bernadette.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Dr.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Andrea's face. She said, oh, gosh. This case. This case study.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't even think about her. And now that
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: you say it, I wouldn't put it past her.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't put it past her, but.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: What's her motivation?
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: There we go. Her motivation. It's like the will to
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: do it. No problem. The anger, et cetera, that would
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: lead her to do it. In fact, someone suggested maybe
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: she played one last, you know, apple on the head
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: game with Hal. Let's see if you still got it, buddy.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I bet you ain't still got it, Hal. You know?
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Pow!
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Shot him in the face. But that's where it stops. Like,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I don't see why after that. Like, people say to
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: bring John back into the game, and I don't think so.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Because that wouldn't get John back in the game. Yeah,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: it's like, and she knows that John turned down the ring.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: It's not like Hal kept the ring from John. So
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: shooting Hal is not going to get him back in
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: the game other than to come investigate the murder of Hal,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: which she's going to figure out. He's going to dig
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: up the grave and get a ring out. No, no.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: That seems too far-fetched. So I got to... Unless y'all
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: got another reason for her motivation, I'm edging her off. No.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: I was just wondering if you had thought That perhaps
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: this was self-inflicted.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I thought that because they said how close it was.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: And I mean, hell, you could have used the ring. Well,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: he didn't have the ring. I was going to say
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: he could have used the ring to like levitate in
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: front of him. But yeah, I don't know, man.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: What can a hologram do is the question.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: But he had to have the ring on him. He
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: didn't have the ring on him. Remember when John went
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: to check the frozen body of how he had no
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: ring on. So presumably he didn't have the ring on
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: when he sat there in the first place.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: But the hologram... Or did he.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: They have some... And that's the thing. It's like, the
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: more elaborate thought is probably the wrong thought, because why
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: is it so elaborate? Like, he created the situation with
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: the hologram to take the ring off of him after
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: he killed himself and go hide into the vault. And, like, what? Like,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think we're... I don't know.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: It's not about solving the mystery of who did it.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: It's more like, what makes the most sense?
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: what players are in this space and who have we
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: not paying attention to? Because there's somebody that we are
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: just not paying attention to properly.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: And the why.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: Why would they? Who would want Hal to be at
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: this time? Because at this time, he's decommissioned. He's, you know,
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: he's spent his time in prison. He's dating the sheriff.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: It's casual. I don't think they're being as open about it.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: But who is he bothering? Who would want him?
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: I was thinking it would summon John back to that
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: small town.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: But he had already been called back by Bernadette. So
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: it's like the math isn't mathing, and I sure hope
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: they make it make sense.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Just for shits and giggles, John's daddy did it.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Because that man do not mess with that. He does
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: not mess with Hal whatsoever. And he's trigger happy, apparently.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: But he's also got the alibi of being.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Being in the home.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Comfort Cove. Yes.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: The old folks home. I don't know, bro. I don't know.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: But... Bernadette would stick out like a sore thumb in
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: that town as well.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: That's right. I don't know. It goes back to Noah...
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: It just feels too obvious to.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but I do. You know, when you
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: mentioned psychology, Dr. Dre, and then you then mentioned Bernadette,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I wanted to really dive into that whole situation, the
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: psychology between Bernadette and John. And I don't you know,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I want to make sure that I can go into
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: this because that was one of the more powerful points
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: of this episode to me when he was when John
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: was on the phone with his mom and was just
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: like Bernadette. First of all, I don't know in other cultures.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: In my culture, we do not speak to our parents,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: let alone friends or elders by their first name. At
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: least Mr.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Or Miss, right?
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: And if it's your parent, regardless of what's going on,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: typically it's their mom, dad, or whatever. For there to
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: be a Me, lack of respect, which means kind of
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: a broken relationship, amongst other things. And the fact that
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: the mom is just like, cool with it. Like, it
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: kind of seems like that's just how it is now. Like,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: is this just the culmination of everything the mother had put,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: who set into motion with John since he was a
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: little boy? And now that he's essentially coming back into
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: his own, he's like, that's how he addresses her. And
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: it's like, is there a law of loss there? Like,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: please tell me what you thought about that.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're right.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: It's really complicated.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: John is a fully grown adult now trying to develop
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: into his own person after so many years of being
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: someone else's son, mentee, soldier.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: He has to.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: Undo and unpack so much of his own sense of
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: self and what he believes in and who he cares
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: about and what his own... you know, sense of morality is,
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: that that takes a long time. And I think that
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: the boundaries, I think what we're seeing over these phone
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: calls is, like, first of all, I'm scared. Like, if
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: I had my mom on the phone like that, like.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. I'd be so scared. I'm in trouble. What does
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: she need? What did I do wrong? I actually think
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: he's still scared of her.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: And I think this is a grown man trying to
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: form healthy boundaries with no idea how to do that.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: So how does he know how to not insult her,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: but just put her in her place? In a way
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: that she knows what that's signaling. And I think you're right.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: I think this has been going on, you know, for
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: the last 10 years. He's failed the Guardians. He's failed Hal.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: He's failed her. And this is resentment. And this is
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: him trying to come into his own. And not for nothing,
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: the man has been successful. He's making millions of dollars.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: He has his own architect firm. He's taking care of himself.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: You know, talk about optics. This episode is called Bad Optics.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: Any stranger would look at this man and say, he's
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: got it together. And at some point he's even asked,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: are you happy? And he says, yes. And all of
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: us know he's, this man is not happy.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: No, that pause too. When he said it, he was
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: just like, I'm in terrible shape right now, but I'm
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: just going to say yes to get it over with. Right.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: So I, I think it's complicated and you're right. There's
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: a very visceral distance between them and yet a sense
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: of responsibility is The way that he's being talked to
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: by all his family members, including her, is like, no, no, no,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: you're responsible. You're the chosen.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: You're supposed to help everybody. And I'm so mad. That
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: makes me so mad for this little boy.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: That that is hard to like the whole chosen moniker,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: because it's like it just reminds me of it just
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: transports me back to when they were younger. And like
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: they were making fun of him in the car for,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: you know, saying all the syllables and the words and
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. Like it's them vocalizing there. I don't
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: want to say disdain, but like they're not pleased with
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: how they were separated from him. But at the same time,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: it's just like. I don't even want to say jealousy,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: but it's like a riff of jealousy. Like, well, you're
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: the chosen one, right? You're the one who's in charge
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: of everything. You got it all together. You got to
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: do it for us. Like we find out, uh, what's
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: his other brother's name?
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Aaron.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: He's bankrolling Aaron's, I guess Aaron wants to be a rapper.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: He's bankrolling Aaron's album, right? Marcus is his business partner,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: his other brother, like the, his father going off in
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: the home and the mother's constantly calling him. You saw
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: it was like four or five minutes call. So I'm
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: just like, to be the one to shoulder the burden
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: of the entire family still, like, but in a different way,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: it's like, all right, you didn't want to be the lantern,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: but you still in charge of everything. Like you still
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: got to fix everything. Like I get why you're saying like,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: that made you mad. It's, it's, it's, it's really hard
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: to like, especially I know like, like I'm a, I'm a,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: what's they call the, the first daughter, you know, the,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: the eldest daughter syndrome. Like I know what that feels
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: like to have all the weight put on you.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: If folks haven't heard your recap of episode three, you know,
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: I think that's an important critical reading, required reading for
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: your viewers, because y'all gave some examples of how, yes,
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: all of our reactions were like, this mom is crazy.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: But we all, especially when it comes to not just
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: her family dynamic, but being given a the opportunity that
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: she was given by the guardians, you know, essentially saying he's, he,
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: he could be the next green lantern.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: I think all of your stories really bring that to
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: life where we, we begin to see.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Actually, is she that crazy?
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: We have, like, I thought about my own mom, uh,
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: as a, as an immigrant to this country, if she
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: was given an opportunity and she had to make some
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: sacrifices and, she best know she would do all of that.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: She would do all of that and more. And this
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: isn't a slight on my own mom. This isn't saying
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: that she didn't love me or care about me, but
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: she would, I think she would do extreme things for.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: For my success, including something that may not have been
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: healthy or.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Safe for me.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: And I think, you know, again, how y'all talked about that,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: I think is really important to put some context into
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: the nature of that family dynamic and the behavior of Bernadette,
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: where it's like, yeah, I think a lot.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Of us could say it's justified.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. And even something that I don't think we might
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: have touched on enough even then was that Bernadette is
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: doing her best to save her entire family. Like, it's
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: not about. John. Like, her husband has gone off, you know, everything.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: You know, the man of her dreams, her love of
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: her life has lost his mind. And she, for a time,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: does not believe him. And then this alien comes down,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: proves it real, gives you a diamond, tells you your
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: son could be space Jesus' copy. And this will save
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: your family. So it's like, yeah, I'm going to do
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: whatever it takes to save my family. And so in
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: that instance, I don't ever really look at her as crazy.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I think she's in an insane world. And in this
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: insane world is faced with an insane choice and, you know,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: makes the best of it. And given what she knows,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: and I feel like that's the same thing. I have
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: to look at my father and my family a lot.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: You know, like I said, I always say that about
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: my dad is that he did, you know, Like we say,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the best we can with what he got, you know,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: like he it's like he didn't have all the information.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: He didn't have all the training to be a good
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: father because his father wasn't there like that. And so,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: you know, you do what you can and you're also
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: surviving in this America that is doing its best to
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: kill you and your family and your kids. So you're
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: going to do everything to protect them, including things that,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: you know, might not always be the most healthy choice.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: But, you know, like lying to John, saying that Hal
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: wants to apologize. To get him in Rushville.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: And OK, so if she wanted him there, they're like
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: you say, motivations. And I like how you said that unmet,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: unmet needs. Yeah. Yeah. Why did she want him there
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: in the first place?
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Well, she said she'd been talking to Hal while he
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: was in jail.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: You know, putting money on the commissary and shit. So maybe, like,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: she really felt that bad. That's what she says. She
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: said she felt bad about the man. She felt that
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: he's grown over the years.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: No. This is a cold-blooded... Yeah. Mm-mm. This is Bernadette
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: we're talking about.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: No.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Plotting and making moves are her specialty. Not, you know,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: doing things because she felt a way.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: She wouldn't have set up her own son, though.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Would she? No, not set up.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: No.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Maybe to reestablish a relationship with John and the Lanterns
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: in some way. And how was the connection to that?
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Although you'd think, because she also had connections to the Guardians,
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: that she would leverage that relationship. But I agree with
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: you that not everything is as it seems. That there's
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: always a second version or an alternate version of what
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: we're hearing. And I'm, I've lost, I sort of feel
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: like some folks don't have, the only person I feel is,
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: is credible. And by credible, I mean, I sort of
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: see like, what does Zoe say?
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Like, you see me?
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: Like, I feel, I feel like we, when it comes
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: to John, I feel like we, we do find him credible.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: We do find him authentic, but he's surrounded by people,
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: who are not credible, who are shapeshifters, who have ulterior motives,
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: who are shady, who withhold. So he's sort of our
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: center stone. Like, I feel like that's intentional where the
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: story is told around him and his is the truth
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: that we can find some grounding in.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: And you basically started answering my question I had about
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: the lies, right?
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. That's what I wanted to do.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, okay, so... Everything from John's point of view
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: is the truth and everybody else is just muddying the waters.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Is this what this is?
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: Or is it something else? I mean, as true as
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: he believes it to be. I think we're meant to
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: see it from his perspective. And it's a biased perspective.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: Some of it may be somewhat skewed. But that's, I
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: don't know, the nearest to truth that I can find
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: is how he navigates his world, his universe. And as he,
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: you know, even as he's digging the grave and making
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: some choices, we start to see his plotting.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: We start to see what is up with him.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: And I meant to believe that, and maybe this was
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: already obvious, but I believe that he really had no
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: interest in the formalities of this funeral procession, that it
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: didn't matter to him nor to Hal that the ring
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: and the suit was... at his burial, I think that's
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: just John wanting the ring so that he could go
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: back to the, um, to the storage of solitude and
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: open up that vault.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: The name of it was hilarious, by the way, the fortress. Yeah. Yeah.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: The storage storage unit of solitude or whatever you call it.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Fortress because it's Superman has the fortress of solitude and
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: the fortress of storage.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Fortress of storage.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: That's what the, that's the name.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Um, Is it beneath the Guardians to do something like that?
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: To shoot and kill? How?
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Is this really a Guardian?
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Listen, this whole rogue agent situation that we've been talking
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: about on this podcast.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: This will lead to another question. Who freed Sinestro?
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: The Guardians. Because Sinestro and the Guardians were working together
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: from the beginning. That's my, you know, C-O conspiracy for
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: the episode. C-O-N-spiracy.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Just throwing that one out there, right?
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just throwing it out there. No backing whatsoever.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: The earth is flat. I made it up. It's just
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: a strong feeling. Nothing else matters.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: It's mainly also because, like, we have been saying that, like,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: is this guardian Liana? Is she even working? She always
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: talks about the guardians. The guardians say this. The guardians
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: say that. But ain't no fucking guardians around her. It's
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: just her. And only her giving direction. And the only
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: person you ever see. The only guardian, rather, you ever see.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: And I'm just like, is this... did you know, is
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: this text from Moses and God, or is this from
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: somebody else? Like, is this your own making? Like it's, I,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: everything is suspicious to me specifically when it's just like,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: there's only one person giving the, the information, but that one,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: there's never backed by like any other piece of proof
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: or someone is acting like contrary to what you believe
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: they should be acting. And so that's where that whole
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: thing came from before, where we were just like, The
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: fact that even Sinestro even knew everything that was going
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: on in Hal's life, and this man is supposed to
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: be behind bars, maybe not the Phantom Zone, but on OWA,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: it's just like, how is this happening? Someone is feeding
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: you the information. Someone's giving it to you. And they
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: talked a lot about Controlling, people being controllable. Controllable through fear,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: controllable through that. You gave a great breakdown, Dr. Dre,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: just about how Hal is probably full of fear. So
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: knowing that he can be controlled by his mentor, someone
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: he still loves, you know? And what do the guardians want?
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: They want control over the situation. They get pissed because
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: you stepped out of order. So why would they not
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: necessarily be connected? There's your connecting tissue, Ben. He's like,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: damn it!
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I feel like when I'm talking to my friend who
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: tells me the world is flat, like, you know, they
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: have a lot of evidence. So you got to see
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: that doesn't really.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: But one plus one is still two, dude. Like you can't.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Now, him knowing everything is interesting, right?
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: And one, he's not on Oa. He is in space Astroban.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a whole other planet. Like, he's literally on a
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: prison planet. One, we don't see the Guardian this episode, right? Now,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: this is my wild conspiracy. You want wild. This is me.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: When Guy Gardner is talking to Hal Jordan, and I
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: definitely want to talk more about Guy's appearance in this episode,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: but when Guy is talking to Hal in space, I mean,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: not to Hal, to John, in the prison cell, in
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: the jail cell, he... When he's mentioning about Sinestro, he
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: taps his ring on the bars. Yes. Right? And that,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: to me, felt like a callback or a hint to
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: them using the ring to get that last 5% and
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: get a hologram. You know, that's also normally what we
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: see from that last 5%. Right.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: So....
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Did Hal use the hologram to free Sinestro? That's my
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: wild out there.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Does the hologram, can that even like touch things? Is
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: it like, can it, does it, is it even corporeal?
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm making up the rules as I
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: go along here. I don't know. I don't think, as
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: I say it, it sounds like nonsense to me. It
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: feels way too complex. Like why, you know, when would
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: he have done that? You know, if I get locked
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: up for 10 years, go free Sinestro, you know.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Like that's not the first thing on your agenda. Yeah.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: And you also don't have the ring again at that point.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Unless it was something he said in motion years ago.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Well, before I get locked up. So just in case
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: something ever happens to me, you don't hear from me
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: for like, yeah, go free Sinestro. Yeah.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: What I'll give you.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: I think that Hal has a Batman style sense of
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: executive functioning that he comes across as messy and he
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: comes across as kind of, um, even physically disheveled and
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: also a little bit out of control and impulsive. And
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: he'll jump out the car while the car's moving. Like
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: he gives that aura, but I think this man is
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: extremely planful and intelligent and is 20 steps ahead of everyone.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: Does he have a, so why I said Batman, did
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: he have this contingency plan or, centering around his death?
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: Did he have all of this sort of, you know,
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: unbeknownst to most people if not everyone around him this
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: plan to free sinestro knowing he wouldn't be alive in
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: 2020 you know like yes.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: I actually sorry as you're saying it i'm saying.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Yes he did it all right like he yes i
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: could see.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: He wrote his own damn eulogy he.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Wrote his own damn eulogy but that's and that's and
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: again that speaks to like the ego but also to
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: his foresight and planning What, two, three episodes ago, or
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: excuse me, way more than that, the beginning of the series,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: when we first see the hologram, the hologram already knows
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: what's up. He's like, oh, if I'm seeing you and
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: not Hal, something else is going on. We need to
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: go to Rushville, whatever he said. Like, he knew stuff
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: was in motion, which is why that does also make sense, Ben,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: that maybe.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know. The hologram also, you know, looked down
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: and said, what? Nah, shit or whatever, you know?
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: God damn it.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: God damn it.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I thought that was just like, oh man,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: you know, damn, you died sooner than I thought.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Like, he knew. I don't know. It's just because, and
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: it's hard because the hologram is imbued with his personality
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: and that's, that's something that Hal would just say. Like, yes,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: the same dude that would have the Batman type reflexes,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Batman timing, is the same dude who would jump out
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: of a moving car just for shits and giggles.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Like, But it's never just for shits and giggles, you know,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: even when he jumped out of a moving car.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: I think there's always some meaning to it and there's
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: always something thoughtful, but it appears reckless.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: It appears sloppy. It appears impulsive.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: And unfortunately for someone like John, like think about John who,
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: you know, is military trained. this man he's working with
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: is messy AF. Like this could not be a, you know,
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: this duo is so poorly paired, but that's why I
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: feel like there's more to Hal than what we're seeing.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: I think there's a complexity there and it's going to
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: be uncovered. And my understanding is that the hologram is
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: updated to.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: The minute, right?
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: That the hologram or, you know, that version of Hal
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: knows every like is uploaded to the last minute of
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: his life.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: I'm guessing.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: No, it's a manual action that has to be taken
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: because back in 2016, when he first discovered the hologram,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: he meaning John and first discovered it, the hologram said
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: I hadn't been updated in 10 years.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, OK. It has to be updated.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: But he could have easily updated it at any point.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: You know, we're back in 2026 now.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, we're all the time. He had the ring
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: after that, like in 2016, at least until he loses
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: the ring. As far as we know, he can update it.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: So the hologram is probably still updated to the last
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: events of 2016 of to, you know, Zoe dying, et cetera.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: And we don't know what time between 2016 and 2026
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: that Hal got put in jail. So he could have
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: had time to prepare. It's not like Rushville happened and
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: the next day they carted him off to the pen.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Some time could have passed.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: So who freed Sinestro is still the question.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Who else can go into outer space besides another Lantern?
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Or the Guardians.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Or the Guardians.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I think the Sinestro one is like... No, I think
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: the Sinestro one is just like, you know, it's very much...
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: There's only two choices. The hologram or the Guardian. Because
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I'll also say the Guardian. I have no motive for
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: the Guardian freeing Sinestro because this is why I feel
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: like Sinestro is locked up. And this is what why
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: I feel how, or the hologram, because I feel Sinestro's
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: locked up because Sinestro found out what happened with the
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Manhunters or the fact that the Manhunters were created by
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: the guardians. And so then Sinestro confronts the man, I mean,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: the guardians about it and they're like, yeah, whatever. And
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: he rebels, kills one of them and gets locked up.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: And so Hal is sympathetic to it because when Hal,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Sinestro informs him of this, Of course, Hal, to be sympathetic,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: he might not be to the extent where he wants
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: to rebel and take down the Guardians, but I think
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: he's still sympathetic to his, you know.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: His mentor.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: And to the idea that the Guardians ain't shit, which
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: he's already expressed because he knows that they created the
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Manhunters and kind of just swept it under the rug
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: when it was all said and done.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: What did you have to say about Guy? Because you
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: said you wanted to mention something.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Other than he's the greatest ever and, you know, it
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: was amazing to see him in this episode.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: Shout out to Nate Fillion.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Nate Fillion is a hell of an actor.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Hell of an actor. I was happy to... I'm not happy,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: I'll say, but I thought the scene with Guy was
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: to be a lot more sad. Why would Guy be sad?
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Because Guy can be sad, you know, as a character.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah but you've seen it already in superman in the
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: movie so why would that and that's the same version
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: we're seeing now so why would he be sad and.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I did like that it was the same version but
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: like translated into this lantern's verse and i thought that
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: you know was really well done where he was still
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the same jerk the same super willful dude but also
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: the good dude and that's what i love about guy
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: you know like underneath it all he's The thug with
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: the heart of gold. You know what I mean? He's
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: the guy who acts like a jerk. The athletic director. Yes.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: He's a gym teacher. You know, he's a tough gym
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: teacher who loves all his kids, you know, and will
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: do anything for them. And that's what I love about Guy.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: And I love that he does it. And Guy plots
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: it immediately. You know, he's like, dog, don't act like
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: you're trying to get this ring. And then he goes
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: and gets the ring for him. You know, like he
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: knows what he's going to do.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Especially because Guy is also a dude who loves to
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: break the rules. So, you know, I think, especially when
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Jon challenges him on it, that really inspires Guy. But
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: going back to Guy, what does he... I don't think
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: he knows anything about who freaks in Estro, though.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I don't think Guy's part of that plot over there. No.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: No. I think he's intentionally kept distanced from this drama.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: And he even said, you know, I'm here for impression management.
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: I'm here to fix... the reputation of the of the
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: human lanterns and so this is this is what drives
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: my decisions um you know and not for nothing you
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: know at first glance for me at least uh i
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: wondered how they would shape this character and i thought
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: gosh like at first he feels to me like like
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: um a John Walker, Captain America, uh, like, who are
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: you really doing this for? Do you really, do you
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: really believe like, or are you in this for the
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: glory and the title? And at some point I think
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: for him, it's, it's a simple set of values. I
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: think he is quite loyal. Um, I think he's, he's
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: sort of, Maybe he's not as simple as you might
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: think he is in that he has a depth to
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: his morality and he actually will help John out. But
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: as far as him having any real....
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Role here in like the bigger story. I don't know.
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: I think, I think the MacGuffin is the ring and
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: he helped get him the ring and that's end of,
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: end of it for Guy.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: More of a cameo than anything else.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Right. I think so.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. I think that's pretty much it
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: for Guy. I wasn't hoping for more than that, but
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: like I said, we already seen that guy in the
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Superman film because in Superman, He stands up to Superman,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: but he also doesn't believe that Superman is this, you know,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: alien monster that Lex is trying to paint him as.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: And he stands up for his friend and then, you know,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: eventually goes over to the country and does what he
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: has to do. So, no, I loved it. I thought
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: it was a great continuation and a great expansion of
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: the universe that they're building with these lanterns. And it just, again,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping Hal's not dead because I want to see more.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: And then... I did love one thing. I saw somebody
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: point this out. Like, Guy is selling a drink that's
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: like pow or something. It's like a power drink. Yeah.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, boom, pow, repeat or something.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, like in the comics?
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, also, Guy is one of his famous moments
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: is getting punched out by Batman. Like, that is one
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: of his most famous moments from the comics of all
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: time is Batman one punching this dude into unconsciousness. Yeah.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: Can I add to your conspiracy?
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: Fellow real Hal Jordan truther.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: I feel like.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: What we know to be true is that the Manhunters
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: can take humans and essentially revive them.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Was John not fully reskinned? He was fully reskinned.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: And she said, you want me to make you darker?
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I can do whatever you want.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: To a customization of how do you want your next
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: body to look like.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Remember, she looked like whatever Anton looked like.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Anton and them?
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. How did Anton get to look human? There's another question. Remember,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: before you finish, there's another one. John already and Hal
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: mentioned there are How many aliens that can adapt and
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: look like humans without... Thousands. Yes. Correct.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: And then did John not say, why did you take
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: part of... Like, he sees some kind of.
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: Some kind of like an injury or, or sample taken
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: from his skin.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: And, and they said, Oh, that's what we needed to.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. The little circle that was on John's arm.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: It was like right near his armpit or something like that.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: And he's, he was looking at it and she, and
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: to your point, Zoe said, yeah, Oh, we needed that to,
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: in order to rebuild you. So it was like, you
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: got your DNA and everything else.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: So is it not possible that they could have gotten
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Hal's DNA?
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: Replicated him at any point.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Or, or how could have replicated them.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: So at any point, With the technology of the Manhunters.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Remember, Hal's been in this town. Why would Hal come
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: back to the town? You know, oh, she came back
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, right. You know, I mean, sure, Hal,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: you know, the bumbling idiot comes back for the sheriff. No,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: he's also there for other reasons.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what that meant when she said
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: that he came back for me. Came back for you
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: in what capacity?
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: In that he loved her.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: You don't believe it?
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: I believe it, but I also believe that Hal wouldn't
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: just come back to this town for no reason.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: I know he liked her.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was... And just to make amends.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: He was basically flirting with her when they had the
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: town hall meet in it, and she said, honey.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, he was... Yeah, he was on it.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ben liked her, but love?
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like the love can grow, whatever,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: but I feel like he came there for other reasons.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Besides just wanting to, absolutely, like, no offense, Sheriff Kane,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: but I mean, I don't know about that.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: There was still a thought to the mystery, and he
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: knew that.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: What would bring him back to this small town in Nebraska?
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: Which is one of the first things I asked when
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: I was watching this episode is, like, why this town?
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: Why come back here, especially knowing everyone's going to hate you?
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, the way they played it was him making
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: amends to everyone and everything that he hurt during the
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: 2016 incident. And they made it a point during that
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: incident for you to see his horrified reactions to everything
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: happening around him. Go ahead, Ben, what you want to say?
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: No, let's say it like this. He did get locked
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: up reasonably quickly after. Maybe the cops arrested him right
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: there on the spot, right? He goes to jail, sits
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: in jail until trial, boom, goes to prison. Does five, six,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: seven years. Gets out. I wonder. Ten years. No, but
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: I don't think he did a whole ten. He didn't
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: do a whole bid. Either way. Either way, he did
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: his time. Comes home. When he left the scene, if
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: he gets arrested immediately, there's a lot of stuff undone
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: in that town. A lot of stuff got blown up,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: but a lot of Zoe and Macon's infrastructure was still there.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: And he would know that.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Maybe, maybe.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: So why would he, you know, he wouldn't just leave
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: that untouched. Yeah.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: I also think several things can be true at the
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: same time. Because, like, what you're saying and also the
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: fact that, like, from a humanistic perspective, what I was mentioning,
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: just the fact that he was legitimately, like, at what
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: was happening around him about people getting blown to smithereens
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: all around him, like kids, women, children, everything was going crazy.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: You saw the orbital strike that happened around him. He
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: even tried to save a piece of the town when
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: he did that big partial dome thing um, from striking
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: the people, like he, it was almost like he couldn't
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: believe that this was happening and that he was essentially
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: to blame for it. So it was happening in front
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: of him in real time. I don't know how many
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: times something like that has even come across to him
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: or the fact that all his life, he's been this
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: revered hero. And now that you're the complete opposite. And
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: I think it's one of the things that he was
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: battling against. And again, trying to again many things could
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: be true at the same time trying to make amends
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: for like i think that's for real that he was
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: trying to make amends i do think that he wasn't
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: that wasn't just plot like for him to do something
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: else yes he was doing something else and i also
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: think that he really did feel a way about what
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: he did to those people or or how his actions
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: contributed because he didn't call the strikes but his actions
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: contributed to making all that right be put in motion
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: so um I do think he really did legitimately feel
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: a way and feel, but feel bad and feel remorse.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: What about Maggie?
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: Who Maggie?
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Maggie is Ruth from Ozark. That's what she is.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: Oh, reparations lady. The lady that wants reparations. Once she
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: said she needed, when she said reparations, I was thinking.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Before you get into that, y'all all know who she is, right? No.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: She's the little girl that John handed.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, you mean on this show?
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: I thought you said from Ozark.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: No, in this show. Yeah, I know. The little girl
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: that John handed the watch to when she said sorry
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: about her daddy getting blown to smithereens. Like, you know,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: sorry he was supposed to do something for her, but yeah.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, he gave her a watch then?
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: So when John, after John, was it before or after
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: John got the ring and all that, and John was
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: walking through the debris, and he walked past the little girl,
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: and the girl's crying, the mother was screaming over the,
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: presumably the father's body, the dead body, and then he
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: saw the watch on the ground and picked it up
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: and gave it to the girl.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right, because it was the daddy's watch.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Right, which is also, he constructed a watch when he
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: was doing the test with the guardians, like everything else connected, so... Um,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: but the fact that that's what, that's who that girl
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: is grown up now, I guess she's 19 or something
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: like that. So, um, what about her? She wants $ 312, 000. Uh,
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: why they introduced this character. They didn't introduce, but why
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: they came back to this character here. And now I
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: guess it's important to know, but.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: People like, yeah, go ahead. What? Is this going to
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: be a giant waste of time, is the question. I
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: hope not, you know?
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, they introduced the girl last episode as a child. Now,
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: fast forward 10 years later, here she is wanting her
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: monetary revenge. And now we got two more episodes left.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: And she said a very specific number for a very
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: specific reason.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Because her threatening to tell... whatever she knows to the
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: sheriff is not a threat to me. I'd be like,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: do it then shorty. Like what?
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: You know, like, but John is acting like it is.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: And I, his reaction was acting like it was.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Cause I would, you know, if I was John,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, do it. You know what? Okay.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Tell her that I was here and that I punched
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: him in the face.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: And I just feel like it doesn't, to me, it
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: doesn't really implicate John anymore than he already is.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: I don't think, like, I know, I feel it, that
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Carrie doesn't think John had anything to do with Hal's
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: death or presumed death.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Especially because she probably shot him.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Right, so why would Ruth from Ozark saying this matter?
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't... What is the Ruth from Ozark?
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Watch Ozark and I'll know what y'all talking about.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: She looks.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: No, I see it.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: I see it.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: I can see it.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: It's just the hair.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: Crazy in hair and wild out? Not crazy, just the hair. Well,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: this one does. Maggie looked like an evil version of
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: somebody from Greece to me.
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: Like an evil grecian but okay no i mean greece
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: like the the john travolta.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah the musical yeah she looked like a brother from
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: greece oh my god yeah not that greece oh i
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: get it yeah yeah yeah okay no john travolta greece
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: yeah okay.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Not ramen hair greece okay got it.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: No i mean but both though for real though because
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: she doesn't like you know she could be in the
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: trojan war too.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure about her.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm sorry.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: You put that centurion armor on us, Shorty.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: We diverged so bad away from the main point. I'm sorry. No, no.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know her purpose.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know her purpose.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: I feel like, if anything, it's almost as if all
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: these forces are working against Jon. Like, he feels the
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: burdensomeness of so many people you know, wanting something from him.
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: And now you introduce, it's almost like, it's like whether
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: this character is going to be a big deal or not.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: I think it's a part of this collective idea that like, yeah,
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: now there's someone else who wants something from you.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: And now, yeah.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: Great.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Jesus.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: But you know, also they made it a point for
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: that character to say when, when John was like.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: That, I don't think that was a mistake.
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: And I think, as an aside, I think this episode,
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: I know it was written long before the netizens' discourse.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: Around intentions in this show. But it's almost as if.
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: And I remember, I don't know if it was one
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: of the podcasts after the show, but someone had said.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: this was, uh, episode three was meant to be episode five.
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: Um, and how, how this is how things landed, but
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's a mistake that some things in
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: this episode are said in so directly and clearly. Like
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: John saying, no, I didn't ask the sheriff for help
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: because I'm a Black man in Nebraska.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: That's what I was getting at.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: That wasn't a mistake.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: That wasn't a mistake and that's what I was getting at.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: She said the reparations piece. He said that piece about
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: being a Black man in Nebraska and she made it,
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: they were intentional for her to say, we're not racist here.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but after he's the only Black man to get
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: arrested when all those dudes, you know, were in the fight.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: We only see John in the cell.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: It just looked similar to when he was after Rushville
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: got blown the fuck up and he was surrounded by
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: all of those white men. Here we go again. What
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: you doing here, boy? What you doing here, boy? Energy again.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: So I had Dawn of the Dead, the original Dawn
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: of the Dead, when the black man saves everyone only
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: to be shot by the white guys. Yeah.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Now, granted, they were just mad that he turned on
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: the nightlight, but that's neither here nor there. It's just like,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: why are they intentionally adding this coded language in here
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: for it? It's not for no reason.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: Now, you said something, Dre, about the netizens' discussion around intention? Yeah.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Around the show.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: I think some.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: I will say, I think there are some problems with
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: media literacy in general that some people are looking at
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: a character and having a hard time separating the character
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: from the writer and or developers of this story.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: Down to the references, whether we're talking a spectrum of
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: coded references to very direct statements that all of us
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: are going to interpret and read these episodes slightly differently.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: Having said that, also the writers have come out and
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: named what their intentions were, especially with Hal and John
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: not being on the same page, not getting along, having
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: very different experiences and their origins with having access to
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: the ring.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, when I said.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: The discourse or the netizens, I'm referring to a huge
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: misunderstanding and in some cases an inability to separate beloved
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: character representations or character versions from writers' acknowledgement and awareness
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: of what they're doing with that character.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: And also that we talked about this with Vanessa, like
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: because of and this is two things, just the media
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: literacy lack and the binge model where everyone can get
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: everything at once. And so they see the entire arc
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: of a character. People not understanding that John and pretty
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: much every character on the show is on various arcs
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: of their own. And so we're not seeing the fully
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: developed John. And even though in this episode, we're seeing
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: a much more developed John. And now you're seeing a
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: dude who's cursing, drinking, eating meat. And a lot of
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: it even felt a bit performative even there for me,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: where John is like putting on this show because he
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: just curses a lot. And it's like it was like
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: me in middle school when I first learned about cursing.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: And every sentence, you know, just had to have that.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was trying to string together as many
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: as possible, you know. And that's how it felt with John. And,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: you know, he immediately takes a drink, you know. He's
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: got all the accoutrements of, you know, it's like, I've
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: got all this thing of, like you were talking about earlier, Dre,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: of success. You know, I got the nice apartment. I
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: come home. I got the drink. You know, I got
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: the watch. I got the Denali. Kidded out. But it's
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: all these things that are like, they're not really what
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: he wants. And like his own brother tells him, you know,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: you're still back in Rushville. And I feel like Hal,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: that's just going back to Hal. Like, I feel like
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: both of them. They're both stuck in business there.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: And Hal is just more direct about it and went
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: to Rushville to try and solve it while John tried
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: to move on from it. But he knows that, you know,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: the business isn't finished.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: But what is so special about Rushville? Just the stuff
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: that happened there?
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: I struggled with this so much when Marcus, I really
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: want to ask you what you think of Marcus, because
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: when Marcus has him on the phone and he's saying.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: Come home, this is a big deal.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: I can't, I wanted to scream at John, like, let
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: the drama, like, let it go, go home, help your
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: brother start this, you know, like make this deal.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: Do your thing. Thrive.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: Like, let this BS go. And I was almost yelling
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: at him, like, just stop.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: Just just.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: But how can he let go wanting to be Green Lantern?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: I don't think he will ever let that go. That's
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: why I also think that it's like, he, he said
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: that he didn't want it, but it's like, ah, but you,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: you're still, and his brother already said, said the same thing.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: Like you, you've been in rush for 10 years.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: You've been in rush for 10 years. You guys still
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: call me chosen. Like, I feel like John almost doesn't
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: have his own identity still. Like he's still this guy
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: that everyone else wants him to be. And he's still
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: struggling with that. And like, Again, I'm still trying to
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: determine what specifically about Rushville, maybe just that incident, but
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: like why is it tethered to that place?
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: I remember this is where Abin Sur crashed, right? Right
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: outside of Rushville. So that is the origin point of
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: all of them, pretty much. Of Earth, Green Lanterns, of
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: all three of them, it comes from Rushville. It comes
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: from Abin Sur crashing there. Also, the Manhunter, the last
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: of the Manhunters. And the whole, you know, she says
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: she cares. Okay, so Abbotser was killed. But when did Sinestro,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: you know, how does Sinestro know or what does Sinestro know? And,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: you know, that mystery comes from Rushville. So everything is
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: tied back to Rushville. And Hal and John both know,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: especially Hal, Remember, there's still the whole room with a
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: black portal in it, like, that a cow came out of.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: Room with a black portal, the storage of solitude.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: With the whole vault. There's a lot of things still,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: but even, like, left at the ranch, you know, before
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: it gets completely demolished or whatever. Left at the ranch. Yeah,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of things there, so... There's.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: Also Earl, and he has to feed Earl.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: So there's that.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: That was an excuse of Earl, but I did feel
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: bad for Earl. That's the one character that I just
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: felt completely, utterly terrible for.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: Like, Earl didn't ask for this.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: Same. Earl just wanted his beef and bison. That's all
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Earl wanted. Did y'all peep the sign that was in
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Hal's house?
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Live, laugh, repeat. Live, laugh, love.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: The sign actually said, Yesterday is already a dream, and
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: tomorrow is only a vision. But today, well-lived, makes every
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: yesterday a dream of happiness, and every tomorrow a vision
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: of hope.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Definitely some shit a man who came home from doing
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: time would have. let me tell you right right or.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: Like the joke you made before is a live laugh
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: love sign you know that.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: You got he had that sign too he had a
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: live laugh love sign.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Right yes yeah but like again it's just more towards
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: Hal's reformation I guess from everything he had been through
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: and been in jail and all the other stuff that
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: he would have even because I don't even seem like
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: the type that would have this type of sign.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: No not at all unless there are different versions of
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: Hal which is.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: Which there are. The hologram was, at the time anyway,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: a 10-year-old version of him from 10 years before.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: And the how we haven't really seen is the how
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: he came home from prison. So that's trying to be
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: a different how.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: But this is also the how that has a firearm.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: Pointed at the door.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: So it still has, despite.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: These statements, he can't help but fight.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: What he's living with, whether it's paranoia, resentment, um, or,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: or just real protection.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: There's just, it's not paranoia because like one thing I
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: noticed is house gate is smashed in.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: Like there's a such in a house date where it's
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: been knocked over. Like the whole gate is in disrepair,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: but there was such an event where it looked like
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: somebody drove a car in or something.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: This town really hates him.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: So it could just be just real.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: Like he's got to have some form of, of self-protection.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's such an interesting, something is drawing them back
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: to this place. And I don't think that it's flimsy
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: or there's, I think there's reason for it. I think
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: a lot of this is going to start to unfold.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: This is the beginning of the second half. you know,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: the back half of, of the series of the first season.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: So I think we're going to be introduced to more
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: people and maybe even that list of suspects is going
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: to get longer when we realize we're working with the
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: data from 10 years ago, what's been going on more
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: recently and how's, how's that, you know, what certainly what's
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: in the vault, but how are all these things that
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: we're discovering going to change the course of, um, John's pathway, especially.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: But it's not working out for him. I mean, it's
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: almost as if he can't help himself. He can't help
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: but fail other people. And so what is that for?
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: So now, truth be told, you're failing everybody.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: What are you doing?
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: How are you going to get back on track? I
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: think we're meant to see his fall. This is him
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: really reaching a darkness. And what is he going to do?
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: You know, Ben, I mean, to your point, if this
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: really is about overcoming fear and adversity and finding the willpower...
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: to move forward in unimaginable situations, maybe this is his time.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: His time to find that?
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, his time to discover that that's always in him
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: and that's what makes him right for the ring. Because
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: I think even though we hate the fact that the
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: ring can, well, we hate the fact that the ring
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: can be a contributor to corruption and to someone's path
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: to some level of darkness.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of us are still rooting for him.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: I think some of us really want him to have
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: that opportunity again and be able to sort of demonstrate
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: that he deserves to have the ring.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, I like that you said that because it's
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: two sides to that. Like the first, the idea of like,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: From the beginning, I've always felt he, quote, deserves the
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: ring because he's worked hard enough for it. He's been
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: put in this position where it's like he had no childhood.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: He has nothing. Like, this is your path. This is
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: everything that you've done in your life is about you
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: being the ring bearer.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: And.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: That's why there was a lot of pushback from online
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: when we were, well, some of us, I don't know,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: I was to a degree, was mad that he didn't
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: just take the ring, that he didn't just snatch it
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: from homeboy. Because on the one end, it's just like,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: just take that shit. That's rightfully yours. But on the
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: other hand, it's like that's beneath him because he is
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: already deserving of it. So that is one piece. But
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: then also, to the other point you're making, I do
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: want to see him just be Jon Stewart. The Green
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: Lantern Jon Stewart, right? I do feel like after everything
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: that's been done, let's put the bullshit away. I want
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: him to bear the ring. I want him to be
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: that mantle. I want to see how he would really...
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: express what it means to be a Green Lantern in
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: his own way after everything that he's been through like
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: that would be a nice cathartic moment to see that
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: like he finally eventually becomes who he is for himself
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: and he is able to have the ring and do
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: what he can with that that would be.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: Amazing exactly and prove that point that you can still
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: be authentic in in who you are 10 toes down
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: and still wear the ring and make that work because
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: I think what we're seeing is that it doesn't always
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: work for everyone that it's, there's always some kind of
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: misalignment or discord or, or a moral injury. Everyone seems
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: to have this moral injury when they're attached to the ring.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: Can he make it work? That I honestly think if anyone,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: it would be him. But he's been, but that right
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: has been that privilege, you know, keeps getting stripped from him.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: And I, I think even this idea of like, his
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: literal like body has been stripped from him. Like he has,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: he's been put through it all. He's been left to die.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: He's been you know re talk about jesus like he's
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: been reincarnated he's come out the other side now like
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: there's there's just i think so much messaging around him
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: being the right one the chosen one yeah and even
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: me now i'm falling for this like the lore of
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: gosh if it's anyone it's gotta be him he's our
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: space jesus.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: He was baptized by fire space jesus cop like yeah
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: we get it like And that's why it's kind of
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: just like, okay, just, you know, just give it to
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: us at the end at this point. And also, they
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: gave you even a slight misdirection, too. Like, when he
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: started digging up the body, I was like, I knew it.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: He wanted that fucking ring. But it's never just that, right? Like,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: the motive was because he's smart. So he knows there's
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: more to it, that he needs that ring to find
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: out more information about what exactly happened to Hal. So
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: I did like that they even did that because it
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: was almost close to, like... when you thought he was
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: going to take the ring from Hal, like, you know,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: in the tunnel. And then he ended up not doing it,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: you know? Like, it's just, he had all this opportunity
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: to do it in a dark way, but didn't. And
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: that's just true to his, I guess, the core of
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: who he is and his being. I think that was good.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: No, because that's like what we've talked about and discussed
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: is that he has been trained to be Space Jesus' cop.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: And that's what he has to get away from. He
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: has to find his own path to becoming a lantern
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: and not the one that Hal was on. Cause Hal
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: and the rest of the Green Lantern Corps for the
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: most part are just police. And John has to become
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: a true hero. And that has to be someone who
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: stands up for himself. And one thing I really liked
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: in this episode on that note is that we see
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: that even when he's not a lantern, his goal is
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: to save people. Like he's like, yo, I'm going to
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: build an arc. And it's also interesting because we see
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: him building an arc and then he meets Noah. You know,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: as a grown man. Symbolism. Yeah. And also Noah wanting
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: to leave and get away from everything, you know, kind
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: of from responsibility where John is running to more responsibility,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: even without being on a lantern. So, you know, it's
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: those two, I guess, opposite sides of a coin or
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure, you know, like George Lucas says, it
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: all rhymes, whatever. Yeah.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: It's poetry.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's poetry.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: I had said it, but I didn't know that's also
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: what you meant, the fact that his name was Noah.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: The Noah in the Ark and all that stuff.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: Noah in the Ark, yeah.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: The only last point that I wanted to mention is,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: and Dr. J, maybe you can answer this, Ben, you
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: can answer this from DC reading, but, like, who is
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: Carol Ferris?
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, Carol Ferris is Cal's long love. Like, that's, like,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: Tony Stark and Pepper Potts.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: Peter Parker and MJ. You know... that's that level yeah
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: she eventually becomes a star sapphire right.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah okay yeah star sapphire the.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: Powers of her own love hate relationship all kind of
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: craziness goes on with her but yeah carol ferris goes
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: back with hal jordan you know that is and the
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: original story is that she works at like the place
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: where he gets a job after he becomes greenlander like
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: uh he's he still works as a test pilot and
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: she works at the Ferris airlines. It's like, it's her
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: parents' company or something like that.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: I remember.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: It's fitting that she's the one who has his eulogy
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: because he had, and I think, I think if there's
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: anything that has veracity, it's this part that he would
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: have wanted her to have that, um, like for real, if,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: if he were to die and that he wanted her,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: her to read it. So, um, I also think that
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: the words that he wrote were not meant to be exaggerated,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: that I think he truly felt like at the time
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: that he wrote it, he was going to have the
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: kind of ceremony that included world leaders and the president
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: and community members and everyone mourning him and the juxtaposition
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: of the inflated letter and then three people at.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: His funeral is really....
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: Carol's not even there for the body going in the ground.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: She out.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: She did leave. He thought the whole intergalactic community was
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: out for him, you know, to celebrate him.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: And the hilarious and sad thing is in the comics
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: for how Jordan does die, that is his funeral. It's
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: attended by all of the Justice League. No, by everyone. By,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: you know, all the luminaries, everything.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: So, you know, that's because in the comics, you know,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: he dawned out, you know, he was still Hal Jordan.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's I mean, it's also a testament to
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: how you treat other people and, you know, how you
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: going to who going to show up to your funeral
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: type shit.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: Like I always say, man, you know, you live a
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: good life and people won't talk about you bad when
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: you're dead. I do not believe in that. Well, respect
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: the dead. And I'm like, no, they should have respected life.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: You know, at least he was himself in his eulogy. Like,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: you know, the whole thing about the whole thing about
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: you know whether you're a woman or a man but
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: statistically you'll probably be a man.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: Like oh I love that part so good so good.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: I was like that's real yeah that's very real and
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: like and in.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: The ending I hope I mattered you know that was
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: that was because it's like as he's writing it you
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: know his humanity is coming more and more out and
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: in the end you know he knows like he's saying
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: all this big stuff you know all these people will
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: be here But in the end, he's also just hoping
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: that anyone will be there.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: I think speaking of poetry, for real though, how important
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: it is that John is reading this. Because in a way,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: it's almost a letter to John saying, don't be like me.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: And we've been talking about John is searching for purpose.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: He's searching for.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: Mattering.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: He's searching for belonging. These are all the things that
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: humans care about that the guardians don't understand. What makes
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: a human want to live? And fundamentally, it's mattering, belongingness,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: purpose is what we all want. And John is struggling
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: with this. He doesn't have these things. He doesn't know
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: how to get them. And everyone is telling him, oh,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: this is what you have to do, or this is
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: what you have to do, you.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: Know, for this authority. Or this is what you have
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: to do for this order.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: Or, you know, family, you know, you've got family members
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: calling him left and right, leaving messages. You know, this
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: is what you need to do out of obligation. And
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: yet this man has never been taught, you know, how's
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: actually teaching him. mattering belongingness purpose. This is, this is
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: really truly as human to human, you know, ring bear
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: to ring bear lantern to lantern, human to human.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: This is really what it's about.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: I like that. That's such a great ending.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: A couple other things I did want to point out.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: This episode was directed by Stephen Williams and I felt
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: like it was some of the best direction people have
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: been complaining. And I noticed this in the, after the credits,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: that a lot of the outdoor shots are shot with
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: blue screen. And so you get a lot of these
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: fuzzy backgrounds to cover up the blue screen.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: Of it all.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: So I did feel that. But I also loved, like,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: the shot of John driving back to Rushville and how
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: you see, you know, night turn to day and night.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: That was really beautiful. And just in general, I thought
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: this episode was really well directed and really well shot.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: But also... This is the first episode where I really,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: really noticed it. So I want to give a shout
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: out to Stephanie Economu, who does the score for Lanterns.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: And in this episode was just, oh man, that store
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: was beautiful. It felt like Red Dead Redemption, you know,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: where it's like this Western that's like, and things have
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: moved on, you know, where it's like the prime of
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: this place is over and you get like this funeral
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: type music throughout this episode. And I just thought that
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: was beautiful. Just exceptional work. And, you know, I'm now
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: going to have to really pay more attention to the
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: score in all these episodes. I don't feel like I
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: have been, but it really got me this episode.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: And this episode, it was written by Justin Brick Gibson,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: who wrote episode five, as well as Damon Lindelof.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: So he wrote five and six, Justin.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And this one, this one says episode six says
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: him and Damon. But yeah.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Damon's had, like, co-writing on a lot of these.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: And knowing Damon and how he works, like, I've read
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: the Watchmen scripts and I've read other scripts that Damon
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: has written, like, by himself. And Damon will, his voice
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: is strong. Like, yeah, he definitely works on stuff, you know? Gotcha.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: And they even said that Damon wrote that line.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: He did write the line.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, yeah. But Justin has also had a lot
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: of experience, so.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: I think there's so much that's intentional about every component
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: of the show. Like nothing is a coincidence or mistake or, or,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: you know, throw away. I think from the direction to
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: the script, to the music, that the vibe is so purposeful.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: And it has such heart, you know, with the, The
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: idea is not that anyone here is perfect or that
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: there's the right chosen one or right lantern bearer or
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: ring bearer. It's meant to, I think, really make us
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: question the absurdity and realism and challenges and burdensomeness of
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: this kind of superhero world and this kind of superhero role.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: And it's making us pause. It's not just who takes it.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: It's what about the parents of the person? What about
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: the family members? What about like, it's not simple. It's
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: really complicated.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It all matters. I would love to see more. Like,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: I know this season has been, you know, John season, but,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: And I can't really see them doing this if they
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: even do another season. But I would love to see
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: more of a Guy Gardner version of this, where we
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: see more of what Guy was like before the ring
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: and everything. What led to him getting the ring and
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: all of that nature. So maybe, I don't know. I mean,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: this show is a huge hit for HBO, so who knows?
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: Maybe we get a spinoff and we'll see. Anything else
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: before we get up out of here?
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: Give Earl a ring.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: You know, there are some plant-based lanterns.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: There's all kinds of lanterns. Yeah. Fish. I was reading
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: about one recently that I didn't know about where there's
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: a lantern who comes from like a lightless world. So
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: the idea of in brightest day or in blackest night
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: means nothing to them. Wow. So they're, they're, they're even
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: his code is different. Like his oath, uh, has more
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: to do with like vibration and sound than it has
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: anything to do with light or day. And I thought
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: that was really cool.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: I thought that was super cool. So it's just, you know,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: there's been like, I mean, 70, 80 years of this now. So,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: and a lot of great writers have done their Tate song,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: Green Lantern and the core. So you got all these
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: interesting variations of it.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: The only thing I would add is just that I
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: would say this show in general has given me so
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: much more in terms of interest in lanterns at all. Like,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: not just Green Lantern, but the whole universe of Lantern and,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: you know, all the different colors and all the different...
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: stories that went into because i had never really dived
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: this deep into it before and even thought that there
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: was even something just beyond the typical comic book story
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: history like this show has and and i think that
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: was one of the main goals like to really put
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: a level of depth in it that would bring whether
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: you know the fandom type person or the person who's
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: never read a comic in their life that would bring
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: them into this world and then really show you how
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: important these characters really are. Just not just from a, again,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: not just from a comic perspective, but just from a
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: storytelling perspective, just from a watching and growing with another
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: character fiction perspective, right? Like just things that you would
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: get out of books. So you could get out of movies.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: You can get out of all different types of mediums.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: Like they're trying to show you like, look, you can
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: get the same type of approach with this, you know,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: presumably quote only a comic book character, but it's way
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: more than that. Like that's so right. Yeah.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: The thing about, you know, I'm a DC girl because
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 4: there's some humility in DC storytelling. They're not trying to
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: give you a 25-year plan that everything's going to tie together.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: So there's some humble ways about them. But also, what's
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: great about this show is that they're justifying how lanterns
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: can exist in Rushville while these other conflicts and.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: And teams and superheroes are also doing their thing that
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: in this universe.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: Starro, the conqueror was a thing.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: And you know, there's a Batman in Gotham and Superman and, and, and, uh,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: justice gate.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: Is that the group? Like they had, Oh yeah.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Justice gang.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: Justice gang.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: Like all, all these groups that exist and are acknowledged
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: and still these stories, these, these, these stories still work.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: And I think that's still for me, at least like
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 4: it's satisfying to hear how everything is interconnected tissue, but
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: we don't necessarily need to see them all.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: On screen all at the same time.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: And in some, some big, uh, demonstrative, uh, flashy, you know,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: crossover or.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: Anything like that.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: So I, I think, yeah, I, I think they've, DC
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: has been slowly cooking and making these things work in
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: their own way.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: And like, I'm wearing a.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: Clay face t-shirt, like this is clay face as, you know,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: as a, um, an elsewhere character can also exist or
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: maybe even coexist with the lanterns.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, uh, what is it? The black mask. We
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: see the advertisement for it in the back of one
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: of the lanterns episodes. So there's already, yeah, there already
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: is the connection to slave face being made.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: I didn't catch that.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Um, and the episode when John goes to get the,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: when he first goes to, when he's in the mall,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: but after he falls down, you know, from the whatever portal,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: he's in the mall. He's the interview. Yeah. When he's walking,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: when he's about to go into the back room, he's
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: walking through the hallway and in the back of him
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: is an advertisement. And it's the same advertisement that they're
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: using in Clayface, I think.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: I love that. And they already made a kind of
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: loose connection to Gorilla Grodd already. And we know that, well,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: they've been working on that show. They're doing their thing.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: DC is cooking right now, I gotta say.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: No, and especially because I'm someone who loves all comics,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: all these universes. And I love Superman. I've I liked
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: super girl. I think, you know, Melissa did a fantastic job.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: The movie just was whatever, but to know that lanterns
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: really is more of a centerpiece thing. And James Brown
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: has been talking about how a lot of will come
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: out of lanterns. And the fact that like the guardians
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: are going to be set up as this, you know,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: part of the origins of the DC universe. And, you know,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: we'll see them throughout time and all their things that
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: they've been doing throughout all these years. I think that's
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: really dope. And yeah, Like you said, how this show
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: is drawing in everyone. Everybody. Like my next door neighbor,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: like he was, you know, before it came on, he
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: was like, yo, Ben, I want to watch this, but
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: I want to know about the Landers. stuff, but I
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: don't know anything about it. And I was like, bro,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: you good, you know, just go ahead and watch it.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: Just drive in. The show is going to explain, you know,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: what you need to know. And then you can go
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: from there. And I know he's been watching every episode
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: he's hooked. And so, you know, this is getting people
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: like him, people everywhere. And then it's trying to translate
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: into the next Superman movie because, John can play a
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: big role in that. And going forward, it's just I
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: think this is really setting them up well for the future.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: Thanks.
• 1:29:07
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• 1:29:07
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• 1:29:07
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