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- 0:00There's a move in football, and I'm talking about American
- 0:04football here, where the player with the ball is running towards
- 0:08an opponent and in order to avoid a tackle, they throw their
- 0:12head one way and then move their body another.
- 0:17This is called misdirection and it can be very effective in
- 0:21avoiding A tackle. So today we're going to talk
- 0:24about misdirection in communication.
- 0:28Now, I'm not talking about the more toxic defenses like
- 0:31gaslighting, reverse attacked and I deflect, things like that,
- 0:35but rather how couples get locked into communication
- 0:39patterns of misdirection together where they end up going
- 0:44down a rabbit hole or avoiding the very topic or the very thing
- 0:48that they need or want to talk about.
- 0:51South misdirection in communication with couples.
- 0:55That's what we're going to talk about today.
- 0:57Welcome to trauma free relationship.
- 0:59I'm Tom Filp, your host, and as a therapist, I've spent over
- 1:0310,000 hours helping couples work through their trauma so
- 1:06they can repair ruptures, heal their wounds, and communicate
- 1:10from a place of wholeness and connection.
- 1:13Let's get started, OK? As I mentioned at the outset,
- 1:24this happens a lot. I see this a ton with couples
- 1:27where they come in and they tell me that they got into a rupture
- 1:32during the past week and the conversation broke down and
- 1:37disconnection continued. And maybe they avoided each
- 1:42other for a few days or even a few hours at a time, tried to
- 1:46calm down because things had escalated and they never really
- 1:50repaired or resolved what was actually going on or what they
- 1:54intended to talk about. And so I talked about going down
- 1:57the rabbit hole or how they can't stick to the subject.
- 2:01And that's what I mean when I say misdirection and
- 2:03communication. This is a little bit different
- 2:05than necessarily defensiveness. I see couples that do this even
- 2:11if they're not caught in a cycle or even if they are not
- 2:17escalated at the moment or, or defensive, they can still have a
- 2:21communication pattern that breaks down and moves them
- 2:26further away from their intended subject and not closer to it.
- 2:31So with that in mind, let's walk through some different kinds of
- 2:35misdirection in communication. And I see this play out, as I
- 2:39said, where one partner might come to the other partner with
- 2:45an issue and say, hey, you know, this happened.
- 2:48I'd like to talk about this. Or they might be sitting
- 2:51together and talking and they come up on a problem they need
- 2:54to be able to solve together. So it can start a variety of
- 2:58ways in the relationship. But then something begins to
- 3:02happen where their communication style tends to pull them further
- 3:05apart and away from the subject, as opposed to being able to
- 3:11empathize, validate, and stick to the subject at hand in order
- 3:16to be able to problem solve together.
- 3:18So one of the ways I've noticed misdirection in communication is
- 3:22through storytelling. Now this happens where one
- 3:25partner wants to completely retell the story and add context
- 3:31or or you know, be able to walk through the entire event again.
- 3:40And in doing so, the problem with this is that the partner
- 3:43can get completely lost in the details or the partner then can
- 3:47get pulled into the story and start arguing about series of
- 3:51events that happened in that story.
- 3:54So now they have moved completely away from the
- 3:56original subject and they're caught up in a story where one
- 4:00partner was trying to, you know, provide context enough to lead
- 4:05to a point. But now they're both fighting
- 4:08over the, the series of events. Well, this, this didn't happen
- 4:11that way or this happened then or so on and so forth.
- 4:14And it completely distracts them.
- 4:16They end but going down the proverbial rabbit hole and away
- 4:20from their intended subject. An example of this is my mom
- 4:24blessed her heart growing up. She was, she loved to talk.
- 4:27She was a big talker. She loved people.
- 4:29I got my love of people from her, but she was a big
- 4:34storyteller in the sense that she couldn't just get right to a
- 4:38point. O she'd come in and she'd say,
- 4:40you're not going to believe who I saw in the grocery store just
- 4:44now. And we and the family would be
- 4:46gathered in a den and we'd say, I don't know who'd you just see?
- 4:49And she said, well, starting last Wednesday and you could see
- 4:52sort of the our eyeballs bug out of her head like they do in the
- 4:55cartoons or like, what? What do you mean last Wednesday?
- 4:59Weren't you telling us what happened right here and right
- 5:01now? But for her, she wanted to Add
- 5:04all the context to the point to, to, to, to, to the, to the end
- 5:08result of the story, the point of the story.
- 5:11And then, but as a result, she would lose this before she ever
- 5:14got there because she'd go through so much storytelling
- 5:18that maybe even by the end, we didn't even care who she saw
- 5:20anymore. We just wanted to get to the
- 5:22point. So storytelling can, can be a
- 5:25misdirection in communication. Another one,
- 5:29intellectualization. When one partner begins to
- 5:32intellectualize the issue, when they're not leading with their
- 5:35heart but only with their head, what happens is they begin to
- 5:39explain or justify what they did.
- 5:42Now you tend to see this more and the more avoidance style
- 5:46then you do the the anxious style.
- 5:49But this is one way where things can begin to break down and
- 5:53misdirection can happen in communication with your partner.
- 5:58So when we, when we don't, when we don't acknowledge the
- 6:03emotional aspects of a story and we just see it purely from an
- 6:08intellectual standpoint, we're trying to solve the problem and
- 6:11then we're trying to explain or even justify what's happening or
- 6:16how we would solve the problem or why we disagree.
- 6:19That can be misdirection as well, especially for the more
- 6:23avoidant style. Now, conversely, the more
- 6:27anxious style, they can bring up so many things at one time that
- 6:32it can overwhelm the partner. And I hear this a lot too,
- 6:36especially from my more avoidance style partners.
- 6:39Will they say, look, we're talking and then and she needs
- 6:42to get this stuff off her chest. And I, I get that, but she, she
- 6:46has so much that she talks about.
- 6:49I, I can't even address one point before she's moved on to
- 6:52the next point and, or before he's ready to move on.
- 6:56And, and he throws so much at me.
- 6:58It completely overwhelms me that I, I don't even know where to
- 7:02begin. There's I, I couldn't even keep
- 7:04track or take notes. There's so much coming at me.
- 7:07So sometimes one partner can bring up so many things at one
- 7:10time that it becomes misdirection and communication
- 7:14because there's no way for the other partner to be able to hone
- 7:18in on say, look, what are we really talking about here?
- 7:20What's, what's really the issue? Because there's so many things
- 7:24that are happening and which leads us to the next one.
- 7:27And both partners and both attachment styles can do this.
- 7:31They can start bringing up things from the past.
- 7:34And this is a big one as well. This is misdirection, right?
- 7:38And, and whether it's intentional or unintentional,
- 7:41the, the intention often behind it is to try to make comparisons
- 7:46and to try to bring up a point from the past and compare it to
- 7:50a point that they're trying to now make in the future.
- 7:53But the problem is, is without being able just to stay in the
- 7:57here and now and to really be able to focus on the issue at
- 8:02hand right here, right now, bringing up things from the past
- 8:06muddies the water. You know, it's like a crystal
- 8:10clear stream and then you come and you just dump a bunch of of
- 8:15mud into that stream and pretty soon because of the current, it
- 8:19starts to mix with that mud and next thing you know, it's no
- 8:22longer clear anymore downstream. It gets really muddy.
- 8:26And so bringing up things from the past muddies the water and
- 8:30is a misdirection in communication.
- 8:33We don't want to bring up things from the past.
- 8:35We want to be able to sit with whatever it is we're talking
- 8:38about right here and right now. Another thing that I see is mind
- 8:43reading or making assumptions. Now our mind is automatically
- 8:49built to make meaning. So there's nothing your
- 8:51partner's going to say or do that you're not going to derive
- 8:54some kind of meaning from. But what we don't want to do is
- 8:58make the assumption that our meaning is 100% accurate.
- 9:03And so we can get into mind reading with our partner where
- 9:06we interpret something they say and then we we lock on to that
- 9:10interpretation is the absolute truth.
- 9:12And we need to be able to verify and clarify whether that's
- 9:17really true. Hey, what I hear you saying is
- 9:19it was really hurtful when you asked me to do the dishes and
- 9:23then came home and there was still a pile of dishes in the
- 9:26sink and I was sitting down relaxing, watching the game, and
- 9:30I hadn't done it yet. I could see where that was
- 9:32frustrating for you. Am I getting that right?
- 9:35As opposed to man, it's no big deal, you're so controlling,
- 9:39Golly, I will do the dishes when I want to quit.
- 9:41Quit harping at me or whatever, right?
- 9:43Making the assumption that somehow she's controlling you
- 9:47have to do it a certain way, as opposed to a relational
- 9:51interpretation of Wow. I could see where this would be
- 9:53frustrating. Her coming home at having asked
- 9:56me to do something, hoping that she has a reliable partner that
- 10:00will get things done in a timely manner, only to be disappointed
- 10:03by that. So we can mind read, we can make
- 10:06assumptions about what our partners thinking and feeling
- 10:09and we can lock on to those as the only interpretation of an
- 10:13event. And this can be a form of
- 10:16misdirection as well. And then the last thing in this
- 10:19this list by no means is exhausted.
- 10:22There probably are other things where couples can can misdirect
- 10:27and get caught down the rabbit hole, but the last one I see is
- 10:30the what if game where they create these hypotheticals.
- 10:34Well, what if this what if that when a couple is in crisis, when
- 10:40their trauma has been triggered, that is not a good time at all
- 10:44to play the what if game because it's a form of misdirection.
- 10:48It's going to move you further away.
- 10:50Often times it's a hypothetical that doesn't even matter anyway,
- 10:55but the person's trying to make a point, or they're trying to
- 10:58make again, a comparison, and it again moves people away from the
- 11:03primary subject and moves people away from the real focus of the
- 11:07conversation. So what if games are fun when
- 11:11we're when we're not caught in a cycle, when we're having a nice
- 11:14relaxing time? Then you can play some
- 11:17hypothetical games with one another.
- 11:19Then you can you can create some of those scenarios and, and they
- 11:23might be enjoyable, but bringing them up in a moment where we're
- 11:27trying to have a focus conversation about something is
- 11:30not the time to do that at all. So, OK, the question becomes
- 11:35right. Let's put this in a context of,
- 11:38well, how do we not misdirect in communication?
- 11:42How do we stick and to the subject?
- 11:45How do we focus on what's most important?
- 11:48Well, first of all, I think it's important to set the stage O
- 11:51make sure you choose the right time in the right place.
- 11:54When your partner's in the middle of, I don't know, washing
- 11:58the dishes or in the middle of gardening or when they're when
- 12:02they're upset and they're venting to you about, about
- 12:05their, their boss or a colleague or their sister or brother or
- 12:08whatever. That's not a time to bring
- 12:10things up. That is not a time when there's,
- 12:13it seems, stress or anxious at all.
- 12:16That is not the time. So let's pick the right time in
- 12:19the right place. If they're sitting and reading,
- 12:23maybe go ask, hey, would this be a good time to talk for a few
- 12:26minutes or do you want to finish that page or the chapter or
- 12:29could I get a few minutes of your time or they're watching,
- 12:32you know, something on TV. Hey, would now be a good time?
- 12:34Are you really bought into the show or can we talk for a few
- 12:37minutes? So ask their permission, try to
- 12:40set the right time in the right place to do that.
- 12:42Agree on some ground rules. So before you start, explicitly
- 12:46agree to stay on topic. It's going to be really
- 12:49important to avoid any of those misdirections that I just talked
- 12:53about. And then thirdly, can we define
- 12:57the issue clearly? Here's what I want to talk
- 13:00about. Can you define it in one
- 13:02sentence at you never help around the house and I'm feeling
- 13:06overwhelmed with chores and would like to discuss how can we
- 13:10share the work will load more evenly.
- 13:12This is what I would like to talk about clearly defined.
- 13:16You're not coming in and you're starting with last Wednesday and
- 13:20then while I'm leading up to a point and you haven't even
- 13:22gotten my point yet or you start jumping in on one particular
- 13:26detail that they've they've talked about and you start
- 13:29arguing that detail. That's a misdirection to talk
- 13:33about the point. Stick to the point together.
- 13:36Your conversations will go much better.
- 13:39All right, So what else can we do?
- 13:41Well, first of all, think about this like a parking lot for
- 13:46future discussions, right? So if a new issue comes up that
- 13:50isn't directly related to the current discussion, acknowledge
- 13:53it and and suggest putting it in a parking lot to discuss later.
- 13:58OK, I I hear that that was an issue for you, but that was
- 14:01something that happened last year.
- 14:03I really want to just stick to our ability to be able to share
- 14:07chores more evenly. Can we focus on this?
- 14:11And then we'll put that topic in the parking lot and we will
- 14:14absolutely come back and discuss that.
- 14:16Because oftentimes, again, bringing something U from the
- 14:19past is misdirection. And, and I understand what the
- 14:22person's doing that they might feel a little pressure, a little
- 14:26stressed, they might feel attacked.
- 14:28And so they bring up something similar that maybe they never
- 14:31brought up before as a comparison to like, why is this
- 14:34a big deal for you? That same thing happens to me
- 14:37and I don't bring it up, but that's a whole separate issue.
- 14:41That's not what we're originally talking about.
- 14:43South. Putting something in a parking
- 14:45lot is a good way for us to be able to to come back to
- 14:50something else later. You can even write it down.
- 14:52OK, this sounds like it's an issue for you.
- 14:55Let's write this down. We're going to put it in the
- 14:57parking lot for future discussion.
- 14:59But right now, can we stay with what we started?
- 15:02Another phrase you can use is OK, we'll back to the point.
- 15:06So if your partner starts storytelling, you can just say,
- 15:10OK, I understand that. But back to the point.
- 15:13So we can agree on some phrases that we can use that can signal
- 15:18us to get back to the original point.
- 15:20If you have made your point upfront, if you say, look, this
- 15:24is what I want to talk about, then it's really easy to be able
- 15:27to say, OK, back to the point because you stated your point
- 15:30from the beginning. And so that's a phrase you can
- 15:33use to bring it back to where where we are, where we need to
- 15:37be. Focus on solutions, not just
- 15:41complaints. I really want to understand how
- 15:45we can share the chores more evenly in the house.
- 15:48We both work, we both have stressful jobs.
- 15:51We both care for the kids. I am not minimizing the role you
- 15:56play in the family or how much you do for us, but I feel like a
- 15:59lot of the chores falls on me and I'm wondering how we can
- 16:03discuss that in a way that we can find solutions.
- 16:09Is there something that you can think of or a way that would be
- 16:12helpful for us to be able to share these chores more evenly?
- 16:16So try to focus somewhat on solutions and not just
- 16:19complaints. Now from my perspective, there
- 16:22is one caveat to this. Do not try to push for solutions
- 16:28until you both first agree on the problem.
- 16:31What I see too often is couples try to push for a solution to
- 16:37actually avoid the stress of the conversation itself.
- 16:41One partner wants to get away from the tension that's created
- 16:45by having this come up, by focusing on the problem.
- 16:49Or maybe they don't even agree that it's a problem and so they
- 16:53just sort of acquiesce. Or they just sort of just give
- 16:56in. OK, sure.
- 16:57Yeah, no problem. Whatever.
- 16:59And, and or they throw out a salute.
- 17:00OK, I'll start doing more. Sure, no problem.
- 17:02OK Yeah. Can I get back to my game now?
- 17:04Or whatever it might be as a way to actually avoid having the
- 17:07conversation. And they might not.
- 17:09That may not even agree on what the problem is.
- 17:14So unless there's some overlap between you and your partner, do
- 17:19not try to push for a loose solution until there's some
- 17:23overlap that we can agree that this is a problem, or at least
- 17:26till they acknowledge that it's a problem for you if you're
- 17:29bringing it up. So they may not even see it the
- 17:31same way, but it can they at least be able to say, yes, I see
- 17:36that you have an issue with this.
- 17:38And so because you have an issue with it, I'm willing to listen
- 17:41and I want to know more about it.
- 17:42Can they at least agree that it's a problem for you and they
- 17:46will take some kind of ownership to help you resolve it?
- 17:49OK, something else. Be specific, not global.
- 17:53Don't say always and never. And don't say yeah, yeah, I'll
- 17:56start helping more. No problem.
- 17:58That's not specific enough, rather.
- 18:01OK, what days could we maybe split some chores and share?
- 18:05Do we need a specific time? Do I need to say, OK, by Sunday
- 18:09night at midnight, you'll do all your chores and I'll have all my
- 18:12chores done so that we can start the the the week clean knowing
- 18:17that we've done both of our chores for that week.
- 18:19And then the next week it rolls over.
- 18:20And if you want to do all your chores on Tuesday night, you can
- 18:23do all yours and I won't say a thing because you're doing it in
- 18:26your time. But we we can both agree that
- 18:29all chores will be done by X time and day of the week,
- 18:33something like that. And so the last thing I'll say
- 18:37is identify underlining needs, right?
- 18:40More often than not, the issue that's being brought up is a
- 18:44relational issue. It's not really always about the
- 18:49dishes, It's not really about the chores.
- 18:52It's not always about the child care or parenting issues or
- 18:57sexual issues. More often than not, what is
- 19:01being discussed is a relational issue.
- 19:04What I mean by that is we can start out with a certain topic,
- 19:08but what we're really talking about here is a relational need
- 19:12that's being unmet. When I come home and I see dirty
- 19:16dishes in the sink and you're sitting there on the phone
- 19:21scrolling and I've asked you 2 days in a row if you wouldn't
- 19:25mind cleaning the dishes and you tell me yes.
- 19:28What? What I feel like is I'm
- 19:31frustrated not because the dishes aren't done, but because
- 19:35I feel like I have an unreliable partner to help.
- 19:38I feel like I've got a partner that I have no influence over
- 19:41that when I asked for help in a certain area or with something
- 19:44to be done, it gets ignored. And so the real issue is a
- 19:49relational issue, not necessarily about the dishes.
- 19:53And so one of the misdirections I see a lot is where couples
- 19:58want to talk about the actual content rather than the context
- 20:05of what is happening. And if you can imagine a line in
- 20:10the middle of a sheet of paper, everything above that line is us
- 20:14talking about the dishes themselves.
- 20:17And everything below the line is us talking about how it impacts
- 20:20the relationship. And so when we identify our
- 20:23underlining needs, we want to make sure that what we're really
- 20:27talking about is what's happening at a relational level
- 20:31because otherwise it can be misdirection.
- 20:33So make sure that we identify the underlining needs there so
- 20:38we're really able to communicate.
- 20:39Hey, I think what's really going on for me and why I wanted to
- 20:42talk is I feel like I asked you for help around the house and I
- 20:46don't have a reliable partner and I really want a reliable
- 20:50partner. OK, well, I hope this was
- 20:53helpful. Thank you so much for listening.
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