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- :01 So, I mean, what's the story? I mean, you got a guy or Yes, three big ones, and they went blood. Her name is Samantha Baker, and today is 0:09 her 16th birthday. She's gotten her boobies. I better go get my magnifying glass. 0:16 They forgot my birthday. Classic. This is the single worst day of my entire life. 0:22 Universal Pictures presents Score, a direct hit. 16 Candles. 0:32 You say it's your birthday. It's my birthday, too. The story of a girl who's stuck with a 0:37 guy who's driving her crazy. Nice manners, babe. And stuck on a guy she's crazy about. 0:45 Who's Jake? Jake Lion. Jake's my boy. Jake is a senior and he's beautiful and perfect. 0:52 He doesn't even know you exist. He smiles at me and I don't say 0:57 anything. I can't believe I'm such a jerk. You quit feeling sorry for yourself. It's bad for your complexion. 1:04 Do you know Samantha Baker? Catch her looking at me a lot. It's kind of cool the way she's always looking at me. Maybe she's [ __ ] 1:12 What's happening? The hot stuff. His name is Long Duck Dong. Nothing could shock me anymore. 1:18 Underpants. Can I borrow your underpants for 10 minutes? Girls underpants. 1:26 [Applause] Hate that rock and roll rubbish. 1:32 Everybody in this family has just gone totally out of limits. [Music] 1:41 All right. Who is this? You guys, you just got to be cool. You just got to chill out and just be cool. 1:47 Just watch me. Why? 1:53 I'll let you take Carolyn home. She's so blitz she won't know the difference. Jake, I don't have a car. You could take mine. 2:02 I got to get out of here before anything else terrible happens. She's stuck between a halfwit. Very hot. Very hot. 2:08 And a heartbreaker. I want a serious girlfriend. Somebody I can love that's going to love me back. 2:14 Pretty intense, huh? Everyone she knows is either on her case. You know, you're the one I want to bug, 2:20 huh? Under her skin. Yeah. Oh, she's only eating carrots to increase the size of her breasts or out of their tree. 2:26 Mom's eye. It only happens once in a lifetime. This has got to be a joke. 2:32 And once is enough. Happy birthday, Samantha. This is getting good. 16 candles. 2:40 [Music] 2:58 Hello. Hello. I'm Katie and welcome to Retro, your pop culture rewind. Welcome 3:03 back. Today we're going to flash back to 1984. We're going to revisit 16 Candles, the Flashback to 1984’s pop culture scene 3:12 film that launched A Thousand Crushes and immortalized teenage awkwardness in this John Hughes classic and the 3:18 unforgettable pop culture landscape of 1984. Returning to the show are two of my 3:24 favorite time traveling podcasters, Jamie and Milo from the 80s and 90s 3:29 uncensored. These guys are all about pop culture, 3:34 nostalgia. They also created PodChum, a community helping indie podcasters 3:40 connect and grow. It's always a blast having you guys. What's new? What's going on in your world? 3:45 Hey, how's it going? Yeah, boy. Lots going on in our world these days. Doing podcasts. Yeah, we got 3:51 Pod Chums. We've got the poties, watching old movies. Jamie's moving 3:59 like like middle-aged life changes and stuff. It's crazy. I had a colonoscopy. 4:05 Oh, that's a milestone, right? Yeah. Now I'm truly middle-aged because I had my first colonoscopy, so I'm good 4:11 to I'm in the club. I'm lucky enough to not have joined that 4:17 club yet, but not far off, probably. Yeah. And on the plus side, they found everything they were looking for in 4:22 there. They got it all out. All the toys, all the lemony winks. They found him. He was 4:30 alive and well. So all good for that little fella. Finally found him. 4:35 Grab your 80s and 90s uncensored mug. Oh yeah, of course. I love it. When joining a podcast, 4:41 tell us more about Podchums. What's the scoop? Tell tell the listeners about it. 4:46 Jamie, it's your baby. So, we started PodChums as just a way to 4:52 connect with other podcasters. Kind of a podcast guild that you're a founding member of, by the way. 4:58 Mhm. So, just a place where we can go maybe find collaboration opportunities, 5:05 maybe share some insider information about podcasting, and we we just got a whole influx of new 5:11 members that we have to introduce you to. that it was just kind of like just us for a 5:17 little while, but now with the Odyssey Awards, we've invited some others. So, we're going to have to have like a 5:23 little intro to all the new members. But, it's fun because, you know, you have the big podcasts and they're part 5:29 of big networks and little podcasts like us, we don't get that, right? So, we 5:35 kind of made one and it's it's it's it's just our own literal kind of it's a network, right? but a network in that we 5:41 can all kind of like collaborate together and share ideas, maybe guest, co- guest, 5:49 have a cross-promotional marketing opportunities, whatever. So, I I think it's fun. I think us little 5:56 podcasters deserve a community for ourselves. You know what I'm saying? We don't have to we don't have to be the 6:02 big guys to have our own thing going on. Agreed. I love it. You meet great people and there's a PodCums like podcast. 6:09 there's a podcast that goes along with it. So, that's fun, especially if you're a podcaster. And, you know, speaking of 6:14 networks, I also wanted to remind RetroAde listeners that if you like to 6:22 dive into the films of specific directors, uh, this season of RetroAde is actually 6:28 on the network the director's chair because I'm covering John Hughes this season. So, if you like that kind of 6:34 stuff, they have Michael Man this season. There's Brian Dealma, Ed Zwick. 6:41 I feel like I'm forgetting someone. So, head on over to the director's chair for other fun goodness. Movie goodness. 6:49 Okay, without further ado, you guys, there's a new spin on the time capsule this season. 6:55 I see what you did there. I'm going to I'm going to Yeah. Can you guys see that? 7:00 Oh, yeah. Yep. Okay. So, I've created the categories on 7:06 the retroade time capsule wheel here. I'm going to spin on your behalf, see what category we come to, and we will Retro Time Capsule: Kool-Aid Man & more 7:11 test your 1984 knowledge, guys. So, 7:18 have you had your coffee, Jamie? This is brain brain firing. 7:23 All right, you guys. Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready to do this. All right. Commercial countdown. All right. In a 1984 ad campaign 7:32 targeting kids and tween, this fruit drink brand featured an animated picture 7:37 mascot who burst through the walls ex exclaiming his famous line. 7:44 Oh, we need to say the line, not the brand. Okay. Yeah. Kool-Aid. 7:49 And And what was the brand? Who was Kool-Aid on that one? Kool-Aid guy. 7:54 Kool-Aid man. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And I like how all the kids were always like, 8:00 "Oh, cool. It's the Kool-Aid Man." Where in real life you'd be terrified. This giant Kool-Aid pitcher just bust through 8:05 the brick wall and you like, "Oh, yeah." You're like, "Oh, yeah." Right away. Kool-Aid was a thing, man. 8:13 You could do a lot with it. You drink the Kool-Aid as is. You freeze it in your ice cube trays and make little Kool-Aid pops out of it. 8:20 You can add vodka to it. Vodka. Exactly. Yes. All kinds of We used to use it to clean up metal. So, 8:28 oh, is it like Coke like that? If you if you concentrate it, there's an acid and you can clean stuff with it. 8:33 Oh, that sounds horrifying that we consume it and we drink it. Uh-huh. All right. There's another one. 8:40 In 1984, this athletic shoe company aired high energy TV spot featuring the 8:45 slogan just for the fun of it. It was promoting aerobics in inspired sneakers. 8:53 And this was shortly before this company's market dominance was eclipsed 8:59 by Nike. What brand was it? Is it? I'm thinking Oh, yeah. I was 9:05 thinking Reebok, but it could be Adidas as well. Miley Miley. I I combined your names. 9:10 You guys are now Miley. That's fine. Yeah, we're like America. If we have a kid, we have that kid someday. Milo, we know what to name. 9:16 Name it. Miley. I Milo, you are correct. Oh, good job, 9:22 Reebok. Just for the fun of it. Let's see another category. You guys are 9:27 doing pretty good. 9:33 Fad Flashback. This particular type of dance exploded in popularity thanks to 9:40 certain films that I won't say because it'll give it away, but they were released in 1984. It began as urban 9:49 street culture and then it hit the national stage spawning competitions and 9:54 TV appearances. What was it? And recently in this year's Olympics in 10:01 France. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. We knew with that Australian gal. 10:07 It was a one and done. One and done though. And what? So what's the answer you guys? Break. Break dancing. 10:12 Break dancing. But the movie breakin came out in 1984. 10:18 That was the movie that I didn't want to name. Oh yeah. Because they would have given it Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 10:23 And then Yeah. Breaken. That was big. That was like That was just ahead of the 10:28 movie we're talking about in in the box office. Yeah. Oh, we're doing all right, Jamie. It'd 10:35 be embarrassing if we do a podcast about the 80s and couldn't answer any questions. Yeah. We got our podcast is like 4 and 10:41 1/2 years old and we we didn't know anything. That'd be embarrassing. Let's do another one. So you guys VHS Vault: Top 1984 rentals revealed 10:47 already won break dancing as the VHS vault. These are always fun. M. 10:54 So VHS Vault is rentals 10:59 that were big. Like you went to Blockbuster. Like what were the top? 11:05 We'll say six because two of the movies that were in the top 11:12 VHS rentals at the time I covered last season on my Ultimate Everyman. So keep 11:18 that in mind. That's a hint. That's why they're I'm doing six instead of five. Mhm. Do we have any guesses before I start 11:25 with clues? Okay. Well, it's got to be stuff that came out like around that time frame. 11:30 VHS uh when Ro came out a little a little 11:35 later. So, you could even get stuff from 1983 too like like uh DB Return of the Jedi might be 11:43 there. Yeah. No, Empire Strikes Back would be 83. 11:50 I'm going to stop you. You're wrong because I'm kind of surprised by these. Okay. 11:55 I wouldn't just pull them out of my brain because this is early VHS time, 12:02 right? Like 84 Robocop maybe. Not that many. No. Robocop's later. 12:08 Well, well, and the Blockbuster wasn't even around. You You had like mom and pop video stores. 12:14 Mhm. So, you had the video stores that were kind of musky that that some guy owned. 12:19 Exactly. like Bob's video store. Yes. 12:25 In the back that you had to walk through the beads and and you're like looking to see if your neighbor's dad is is 12:30 dad coming out of that section. You're like that's Tiffy's dad. You know him. 12:36 And your options were very limited at this time, which is probably why. So the first one, 12:41 so this is 1984. This is why I'm surprised by this. One of the the number one rented video in 12:48 1984 was here's your hint. A co-ed up kingpin with a little friend. 12:54 Oh, really? Scarface. Scarface. Scarface came out that came out 1981, 13:00 didn't it? 1981. It was It was It might have been 82, but it was very early. 13:06 Oh, see I was thinking late '7s. Like 78 or 79. It was definitely in the 80s. It was in the 80s, but yeah. So, Scarface. 13:14 Wow. Wow. Wouldn't have guessed that. Now, I will say I know this because 13:20 Brian Dealma directed that and I was just mentioning that I was on a network with Brian Dealma. So, I know this 13:26 because I listened to the episode. Scarface was not a popular movie when it first came out like at the theater. 13:33 It became popular on video rental. So, it just took a took it a couple years. 13:39 It's one of those slow burners. Yeah. Yeah. And then the next one I'll give you I covered it on my Kurt Russell and 13:45 Patrick sees season and I had a very hard time finding it which is ironic 13:50 because it was the number two most rented movie in 1984 but it was super 13:56 hard to find now. It is a real life nuclear whistleblower played by Stre. 14:04 Oh, this is bringing back something. This does sound so I'm guessing street 14:09 Maril Street. But Sher was in it also. All the President's Men. 14:15 No. No, they weren't in that. This one's stump. This one's stumping me. It's because you probably haven't seen 14:21 it. Okay. Silkwood. Oh, Silkwood. Okay. I have not seen 14:27 Silkwood. No. Kurt Russell. I've heard of it, but I've never seen it. It's very good. It's very good. 14:32 How come? How come this sounds like a great cast and a cool story? Mhm. And why haven't we seen this? Where 14:40 is it? Why is it Why do people withhold it from us? Now I So when I did the episode, it was 14:47 not available to stream anywhere. So I I like literally rented it from my library. I requested it, but I think it 14:54 is now on one of the streamers. So just search for Silkwood. It's very good and it's based on a true story. 15:00 Okay. We're gonna watch that, Milo. Yeah, I think we're gonna do that episode, you 15:05 guys, if you haven't. And we're gonna listen to the episode, too. Yeah, we're we're going to listen to that first thing. 15:11 Okay, next one. A tearjerking tale of mothers and daughters. 15:19 Beaches. I want to say beaches, but beaches didn't come out till later. Came out in the like the later 80s. 15:27 I think Tears of Endearment. Yes, you. Wow. Good job. Good job. And I 15:33 only Yeah, I only know about that because I recently did a article or 15:39 something that I was writing and I I've never seen that either, but it was like best picture or something. It has a lot 15:44 of accolades and I've never I never saw it. So now that I'm old, probably because in 1984 I'm a kid and I don't 15:50 care about that kind of stuff. Yeah, exactly. But now that I'm old, I think I might actually put that on my list to watch it 15:56 and I might actually like it, which is sad, which means I'm getting old. But it happens to the best of us, Jamie. 16:02 Yeah. Okay. A Plymouth Fury with a murderous 16:07 streak. Oh, I know that. It's called Christine. 16:13 Christine. Yeah, there you go. Good job. I love that movie. See, that's probably more of my style when what I 16:21 What a wild premise, eh? The jealous car 16:27 car is killing people because she's jealous. I think that's Stephen King based on the Stephen King novel. 16:33 Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. And so far one out of everything you've listed is it's the only one I've seen, 16:40 but I haven't seen I think I've only seen it once long. Yeah, it was a No, you've seen Scarface. You've seen Scarface? Oh, true. Okay. Yeah, Scarface. So, too. 16:47 Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know, maybe so the last one I also covered last season, 16:53 so that should give you a hint. Either Kurt Russell or Patrick Sees is in it. And it's a mission to rescue PS 17:01 that got a gritty explosive twist. Name that movie. 17:07 Wow. One of those two were in a film to rescue PS. It's a little lesser known, but it is 17:14 very good. The cast is outstanding. Okay. Yeah, I think you're going to have 17:20 to give this one away. I don't have any no idea for me. Do you, Jamie? Jamie. 17:27 I'm stumped on this one. Jean Hackman. 17:33 Is this the one where he's in a plane that crashes and then like he has to 17:38 kind of get out and it's got like a 17:44 No, I don't know. Uncommon Valor. Not what I was thinking of. Oh, now it comes back to me. Yeah. 17:50 Have you seen that one, Jamie? I think I've seen Milo. I would recommend it. It's good. Yeah. 17:56 Yeah. It's one of those under the radar ones for Yep. And 18:02 Patrick was in it. So, these are the VHS top like VHS rentals. 18:08 1983. And they don't Yeah. And they don't seem like some of them are just under the 18:14 radar like you don't hear about some of these. This is the first time and I think it's cuz it's so cuz like mid and late 80s 18:20 it's very clearly the big box office movies like the prior year but I think it's cuz their options were pretty 18:26 limited and getting rights to the to VHS's they were still trying to work 18:31 some stuff out at this time. Yeah. So you had a lot of maybe some that weren't like big blockbusters or 18:37 whatever. Yeah. That's interesting. This does have a good cast though. You got Robert Stack, Fred Ward, 18:45 Randall Tex Cobb. Yeah, I'm telling you. Also listen to that episode. 18:51 Definitely have to listen. Okay, you guys. The last category is can Jamie and Milo come out 18:57 and play? Okay. Launched launched in the US in 1984, these robots 19:05 in disguise were based on Japanese toy lines. and exploded in popularity thanks to the 19:12 animated series and comic book. It's kind of Transformers. 19:17 Transformers. Yes, sir. Every Transformers were cool and the 19:23 cartoon was awesome and the toys were awesome. Milo and I were both poor though, so we had a lot of Gobots. We 19:29 We had Transformers. Yeah, we Was that the knockoff version of a 19:35 Transformer? It wasn't even the other version completely separate thing that 19:41 came from Japan, but they they transformed into cars and stuff. But I think they actually like 19:47 they were came out first. I don't think they Yeah, I might have even come out first, but Transformers were cool, but if you 19:54 were if if you were poor, then you had Gobots. Well, Gobots were smaller as well, like 20:00 the Transformers, and they were lame. Like, you put the you put the arms in, you put the legs up, it's a car. Transformers were cool 20:05 because they were intricate. They transformers were cool. I remember playing like I didn't have we I didn't 20:12 have a Transformer all girl child househood household, but my grandparents 20:17 like had a little toy box for when we came over and I had a boy cousin about my age. So there were I played with 20:23 Transformers at my grandparents house. I think girls probably like Transformers, too, because that's how 20:29 cool they were. They were pretty cool. I I got to admit. Let's see here. 20:35 This is very easy. But while introduced in late 1983, the toy line bmed in 1984 20:42 with Earth ponies, unicorns, and pegasai plus accessories and a full playset 20:47 ecosystem. What was it? What toy am I referring to? Well, it has to be My Little Pony, 20:54 right, Jimmy? My Little Pony. Jimmy, you got your My Little Pony collection back behind you there somewhere, right? We just We just can't 20:59 see. did a whole episode on My Little Pony with with with Milo's wife cuz she 21:05 and we so good. Yeah, she had and they smelled weird. We smelled little ponies and stuff. Yeah, 21:10 they did have a smell and I even had the or technically they were praying my sisters, but the the holding case was 21:16 like a stable looking thing. You know what I mean? You guys know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Looked like a horse stable. 21:23 Yeah. Mhm. My cousins had them and I always thought they had a weird smell. Kind of like 21:30 artificially like smelling fruit along with like dirty kid hands. You mix those together. Yeah. My Little Pony My Little 21:36 Pony smell. They smell weird for some reason. 21:42 Yeah, they did. It's that plasticky artificial scent. 21:47 You're right. And kid smell. Yeah. Kid hand germs all over him. 21:54 Let's see. There's Let's Let's find another one. H in that episode, by the way, we talk 22:00 about bronies. That's a whole another subject. Yes, I I remember that. I do. And Yep. 22:05 Mhm. Mhm. God, there's so many toys, which look that up, friends. Yeah, that'll 22:11 make your day. Or My Little Pony episode. That was a good one. I covered the Cabbage Patch Kids craze 22:17 in my Silkwood episode cuz that was 1983. So that Christmas there was such a 22:22 craze for Cabbage Patch Kids and I did not recall the the name of the the 22:28 company who makes them. Do you guys know what who it not Hasbro or Mattel or 22:34 what? But do you know who made the Cabbage Patch Kids? No, I would have guessed one of those two. 22:39 Yeah, I might have guessed Mattel or Hasbro, but Colico. C O L E C O. 22:48 Colico sounds more like a health care provider. I know. I never in a million years. I 22:54 didn't even know this existed, but there was a spin-off from it. Spin-off pet 22:59 toys from the Cabbage Patch Kids line released in 1984 and included cat and 23:06 dogike companions. Oh. With adoption papers and names. How did 23:11 I not have this? Do you guys know what it's called? Do you Do you guys know this? I remember the pets. They had the pets 23:19 come out because they were so Cabbage Patch Kids were so popular and then they like look they got pets now too but I 23:26 don't remember what the pets were called. I can't even remember what they look like in my head but I can't remember 23:31 what they're called. This says cous. What? 23:37 Cus or something? K O S. I am your new dog. It says K O O S A S 23:46 Cus Kusas. And I remember Cabbage Patch. My cousins had those too. 23:52 And I guess we're teaching young women to be good mothers or something cuz they can't they had adoption papers. 23:58 Yes. Like legit adoption papers. Like this is the name of your adopted Cabbage Patch Kid. And the girls are like this. I'm 24:04 I'm a true I adopted this Cabbage Patch Kid. Mine Mine's was Sonia. Her name was 24:11 Sonia. Sonia. Yeah. Mhm. I just looked up couses and they're kind 24:17 of creepy looking. So they're kind of like the human what do they call it? Like the not anamorphic where like kind 24:22 of they make them humanish looking. Yeah. They're kind of humanish looking. Yeah. Yeah. They're kind of creepy 24:29 looking now. Like if if dogs and and people could have babies, they would look like this, right? 24:34 Yeah. They look like that. You probably should put it down cuz it's suffering. 24:40 If anybody had these, and maybe I'm pronouncing it wrong, but I can't believe I didn't. It seems like that 24:45 would be right up my alley, but that was a thing in 1984. Yeah, creepy looking little animal toy 24:51 dolls. Thanks for playing, guys. You did pretty darn good, I'd have to say. Oh, that's fun going back to 1984. That 24:58 was fun. I like it. All right. Well, on this season, we're no longer talking about Kurt and John Hughes’ teen comedy legacy 25:03 Patrick. We're talking about John Hughes movies. What do you guys think? What's your history? I like many people am a huge John Hughes 25:10 fan. You know, the fact that he only made eight films but wrote so many more that are just so iconic of the 80s and 25:19 were like defining of the 80s, right? like when you anytime you say 1980s 25:25 movies almost instantly John Hughes comes to mind and you can name his movies and 25:30 even if you haven't necessarily seen all of his movies you could you've probably at least seen one you certainly know 25:36 kind of what they're about usually have a pretty good idea who they star you know so it's just yeah he was he was 25:42 iconic of the 80s we couldn't have had the 80s without John Hughes and interestingly I would say John 25:49 Hughes wouldn't exist today if If he were alive, I don't think any of his movies would be made right now based on 25:55 the content of his movies. I concur. He did kind of go go more in the familyfriendly 26:03 direction. However, they're still pretty problematic a lot of the times. Yeah. Which I'm sure we can we'll 26:08 discuss as we go along. Well, and even some of the plot, like if you look at the Breakfast Club, like 26:14 imagine pitching that to a studio. Okay. So, it's a bunch of kids. They got detention. You got the popular one, the 26:19 nerdy one, da da, and they sit around and talk all day. You know, the studio would be like, "What?" No. 26:25 Well, that happened in 1985 or 84 when he he wrote that before actually 16 26:32 Candles. But they said, "No, no, you have to do a more typical teen movie." Like that was 26:41 sort of the deal he did was make 16 candles in order to get Breakfast Club made. Oh, neat trivia 26:48 because the studio even then was like there's not there's no like boobs. There's no, you know, I don't know. Yeah. No drinking. 26:55 Where's the completely random boob shot that doesn't seem to really have a purpose other than 1980s boobs, 27:01 but he was right. I mean, Breakfast Club, you know, spoiler alert, is a way better movie. And everybody, you know, 27:08 not just my opinion, I mean, it's rated better. It's that movie is held in 27:14 extremely high regard. Yeah, totally agree. Do you have any additional any additional thoughts, Jamie? 27:20 Well, here's what I like about John Hughes movies is they're teen comedies, so they're funny and they're teen, but 27:27 John Hughes movies are interesting because they don't they don't insult the intelligence of teenagers. 27:34 So, most teen comedies are just kind of dumb. Look at this. This is dumb. Look, boobies, slapstick, you know, it's 27:43 there's not much to it. But John Hughes movies are smart because I think John 27:48 Hughes knows that teenagers are smart. So they're funny, but they're also 27:53 clever. They're smart and they don't insult the intelligence of teenagers. I think that's one of the main stays of 27:59 John Hughes teen comedy is that I think he respects the people that he's making 28:04 the movies for. That's why I like that's why I like them. They're very relatable and like relevant to the teen 28:11 experience. Yeah. It's not through the lens of the adults looking at the teens. It's 28:17 through the teens. Yeah. And it's not like, you know, super It's got It's got the teen comedy, but 28:25 it's not like porkies where it's or something like that where it's just, hey, look, boobs and funny stuff and 28:31 then that's the end of the movie. Teens like that stuff, right? They like slapstick and boobies, so let's just do 28:37 that. I mean, you still got a lot of slapstick, maybe a little bit of of sexiness, but you also have it's well 28:43 written, and like you say, I think it's they're they're written through the kind of the mind of a of the teenager. So, I 28:49 that's why I dig that's what I think separates John Hughes teen comedies from others. 28:55 Yeah, it's a good point. Yeah, well said, guys. Well, shall we get into the movie 16 Candles? 29:02 [Music] All right, you guys. This came out May 29:10 4th, 1984, which if we're keeping track, is over 40 29:16 years ago. So, that's not awesome. 29:21 Makes me feel very old. I think I just got another gray hair. 29:27 It's PG. Yeah, cuz Yep. Yeah, that's wild. Now, a couple 29:33 reasons. Because uh P R So, at the time, your choices 29:39 were R or PG. PG-13 did not yet exist, and it was only a few months 29:45 before it would exist. Yeah. What movie was it? We covered it. I covered Red Dawn. Yeah, 29:50 Red Dawn was the first one. Yeah. Mhm. So, yeah, it predates that. So, it 29:56 was either going to be an R or PG. And apparently if you have more than two 30:01 F-bombs, it's immediately an R. So they just removed one or removed a couple cuz 30:07 there are I noted at least one F-bomb in 16 candles, but then it still has nudity 30:14 and like underage binge drinking like 30:19 very in your window. Yeah. And are is there sexual assault 30:24 going on here? What you know? So, there's a lot in this and it is a PG movie. Whereas Breakfast Club has no 30:32 nudity, none of that, but it has a lot of language. I mean, some adult 30:37 situations, I guess, but Breakfast Club is an R rated movie. Wild, eh? Yeah. See what happens when you drop too 30:43 many fbombs. Yeah. Yeah. Nudity, sexual assault, possible sexual assault, you know, all that kind 30:50 of stuff. That's fine. But you drop too many fbombs, that's that's an R. We're coming down on the arc. You're over the 30:55 line. You're over the line with that language. You can't drop an Fbomb while you're showing your boobies. Get rid of that 31:02 Fbomb. Yeah. Keep Keep the boobs, though, please. Keep the boobs. That's okay. PG. Yeah. Well, you know, 16 Candles is not 31:10 one of my go-tos. Like, I I always think of it, but I don't I can't quote it like 31:15 I can Breakfast Club or something. So, I sort of conflate it and Pretty Pink in 31:21 my head because I don't rewatch them as often. So, if you are similar to me and you need a 31:27 refresh about 16 candles, here's the description of it. Samantha's life is going downhill fast. The 16-year-old has 31:34 a crush on the most popular boy in school, and the geekiest boy in school has a crush on her. Her sister is 31:41 getting married, and with all the excitement, the rest of the family forgets that it's her 16th birthday. and 31:47 add two sets of horrendously embarrassing and quite funny grandparents, a foreign exchange student 31:54 named Long Duck Dong, and Behold the makings of a hilarious journey into young womanhood. This is 16 candles, and 32:01 it has a 7.0 on IMDb. And to your point, Milo, about Cast breakdown: Molly Ringwald & beyond 32:08 John Hughes only directing uh, you know, a certain number of films, this was his 32:14 directorial debut. and he also wrote the movie. Yeah, I'm with you, Katie, though. I do 32:20 in my head overlap this with Pretty and Pink. Like when I watched it the other 32:26 night, I was like, "Oh, the thing I'm thinking of must be in Pretty and Pink because it's not in this movie." They're 32:32 very, very similar films. And I think a lot of people think John Hughes directed Pretty and Pink, but he 32:39 didn't. He just wrote it. You're right. As we will get into, but there was a like almost every five minutes I'm like, 32:46 "Oo, wow. Yikes. This one's really problematic." But I do. Now, having said that, I'm 32:55 going to just have fun watching the movie. It's in the 80s. It's a different time, but like it's kind of fun to make 33:01 fun of how like wildly inappropriate and offensive, I guess, a lot of things were 33:07 in this movie. Um, but well, let's start with some of our cast members. So, Samantha's played by Molly Ringwald and 33:15 I'm pretty sure John Hughes wrote this movie for her with her in mind. Like, he 33:21 had a head shot of her and then she went on to become his muse. I guess he had a picture of her headsh 33:28 shot too when he was doing work and he'd kind of look at her every once in a while like this is this is the girl I'm 33:34 writing about. I think she was perfectly cast. I mean, cuz she's adorable, but she also has 33:42 that kind of geeky quality to her to where you're like, okay, she's definitely not going to be like the 33:47 super pretty popular girl. She's also still very attractive and just like I 33:53 just think she's perfectly cast in this. Yeah, I agree. I agree. And then the 33:58 geek is played by Anthony Michael Hall and they were both 15. They both of 34:04 those two were actually 15 years old in this movie. We'll get into some of the ages which I uh is interesting. The 34:12 the crush the the hot boy in this movie Jake Ryan is played by Michael Schuling 34:21 and he didn't Do you guys know him from anything? No, this is literally the only thing I 34:27 know him from. Yeah, I think he went on to just have a regular life. He stopped working in 34:32 1991. It looks like he was 23 when this movie was made, 34:39 which I think that tracks. I buy that. Like he he looks like a a young man. 34:45 Um I thought Anthony Michael Hall looked all of 11 in this movie. Didn't you think he 34:50 looked so young? Yeah. Especially compared to now. Like he looks so different now than he did 34:55 back in the 80s. You know, like he played enough of these nerd roles where he's like, "No." Well, he finally went 35:01 through puberty is what happened. Him and like everything. Went through puberty. A late bloomer, you know. 35:07 Yeah. But he's kind of a bit of a sexual predator as well. Speaking of sexual 35:13 predators, he has a popular girlfriend and her name in the in the movie is Carolyn and she's 35:20 played by Havland Morris and I guess she in real life has red hair. 35:27 Mhm. But John Hughes only wanted to run one red head in the movie. So the her blonde hair is a wig. 35:34 At least it didn't make her bleach. One red head in my movie, and that's Molly Ringwald. Yeah. 35:39 Get your wig on, lady. Did you Did you guys recognize her from anything? 35:46 Her name sounds very That's a very specific name. Um, but I think is most 35:51 known for this, but she was also in Gremlins 2, The New Batch, and Home 35:56 Alone 3. Ooh. So, she likes she likes to do them sequels. 36:02 Yeah, looks like it. And you know, there's a John Hughes connection, I guess, there with Home Alone. But 36:08 I did not recall that this family has four kids. No, I didn't remember any of that 36:14 storyline with the It was the sister getting married. Yeah. But then there's also a younger 36:20 brother and a younger sister. And the younger brother oddly was like second 36:25 build in the movie. Weird. So he's Mike is his name. He's the younger brother. And he's played by 36:31 Justin Henry and they were just trying to maximize his he had just come off 36:38 doing Kramer versus Kramer. It was like a popular kid actor and so they're like, "Oh, people will know his name." 36:46 You know, I did recognize him though when I when when I watched like, okay, this kid looks familiar, so I must have 36:51 seen him in something else back then that he was in. He did. Yeah, you're right. And he was 36:56 pretty good. He was like a jerky little brother. Yeah, he played it well. Mhm. Very. 37:01 Well, yeah. And it makes sense that they the family would have a lot of kids cuz they forgot their daughter's 16th birthday cuz of the older ones getting 37:08 married. There's two others you got to kind of control. She's kind of in the middle. Everybody's forgetting about me. 37:13 I'm Jan Brady here. Jan Brady. Well, six. Yeah. I don't 37:18 know. I mean, forgetting your 16 like sweet 16 is like a thing, I 37:24 guess. I don't know. It never was for for me. Like, we didn't have, you know, I guess like debutants and in some areas 37:31 of the country or the world maybe there's a big deal around your sweet 16. Was was that a big deal where you guys 37:38 grew up? No. In our house, it was like any other birthday. 37:43 Yeah. Plus, we were poor, so it's like, well, whatever we did do for birthdays, we're gonna do that again. 37:49 Yeah. I think you didn't have a Trans Am with a bow on it in the driveway waiting for you. Like, she wanted, she says, 37:56 didn't even bother attempting to ask for a car when my 16th rolled around because I knew there was no chance in hell that 38:02 was going to happen. Yeah, I did get a car, but it wasn't like we went looking for one. I remember going 38:08 like looking for one with my dad, but it wasn't there for me when I woke up on my 16th birthday. 38:14 I know. Poor Katie. Bow on it. It was 10-year-old car. I mean, 38:20 oh, well, that's cool. That That was What was it? What was it? Used car. It was a Ford Probe. Remember that? 38:26 Yeah, I remember the hell was a Ford Probe. It was kind of almost a roundish looking is kind of the way I would describe it. 38:32 It wasn't round, but it kind of had a It was a 1989 Ford Probe cuz like somewhere in the mid9s they changed the 38:38 look of them. But was it the kind of roundy looking one? 38:44 Did it kind of like like the hood? Yeah, the hood was very kind of roundish. And I'm pretty sure did the flash or the 38:50 headlights come up? No, I don't I can't remember. Anyway, when I hear that I just think when did 38:56 Ford get into the healthcare industry? And that's all I can think about. Yeah, it is a 39:02 silly or space. Maybe they're into space now. Probing. Probe. Yeah, that is odd. 39:07 When I think the Taurus eventually was kind of what the Ford Probe got to did, too, cuz they were very similar cars in 39:14 soul. I think when they dis No, Probe was a twodoor. It was kind of like a sporty Oh, car. 39:20 Okay. Tours were really ugly. Wasn't the Ford Probe kind of ugly? 39:26 Am I thinking of car? I clearly didn't think so cuz I got it was like sporty. 39:32 Look, when you get a car and someone else pays for it, doesn't matter what it looks like. 39:38 Yeah, you're right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I was picturing the right car, but it's a twodoor. 39:43 It is a twodoor. Yeah, you're right. The Taurus is a four-door, but I guess Yeah, it is more sporty than I was picturing it. 39:49 And yeah, I wanted a Sunfire. Those were like all the rage in the nine, like mid 90s for teenage cars. 39:56 Um, which are kind of ridiculous to think. And what were those other ones? A geo geostorm. 40:02 Geometros. Popular like teen cars. The sky blue and the yellow colors. 40:08 Geos. Geos. They were so cool. And now you look at them, you're like, "Oh, look at that 40:13 little look at that little pill looking thing." Yeah. They must have changed the look a 40:20 bit for the probe though cuz like you had the really kind of circular bubbly front grill and then they had kind of a 40:26 sportier looking version that has like actual vents on the front and stuff. So 40:31 Havlin Morris and so she plays Jake's girlfriend. They're both like in their early 20s, 23 and 24 respectively. And 40:39 then the actor who plays Long Duck Dong and it's is it Ged or Getty? G E Dde 40:48 Watanab. That's the actor's name. I don't know. I' I'd say G. Getty. 40:56 G or Getty. Watanab. So that's the actor. He was 28 years 41:01 old. Really? So he plays the exchange. He looks much younger. 28 years old. Mhm. 41:08 Yeah. That's that's kind of wild. Dude. Yeah. Yeah. Now this is one of the this is one of the biggest problem areas in the 41:14 movie. I mean there are a lot actually but this is a big one and he said in an 41:21 interview that he had a lot of anger publicly expressed toward him for playing this role for you know like diss 41:28 like this is such a negative stereotype for Asian men. Yeah. But Eert, Roger 41:35 Eert, came to his defense writing that he actually elevates his role from 41:40 potentially being an offensive stereotype to high comedy. Um, but since then, a lot of people put 41:48 it in the same category as Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's. Yeah, I I I would say Mickey Rooney is 41:54 probably more so because he's actually not Asian, right? towards this guys. But the thing is, he 42:00 was a young starting out actor. You didn't have a lot of credits prior to this. So, as an actor, you're like, 42:06 "You're going to pay me to be in a movie?" Yeah. Okay, sure. I'll do it. Well, and you're not going to blow me up 42:12 with a missile or something and not make me the bad guy cuz that's a lot of Asian-American male actors. That was 42:17 kind of the like the roles you got back then. Yeah. And he he doesn't have an accent like he's born in the United States. I can't 42:24 remember. I want to say like Utah, somewhere like really bland like that. Uh he had a friend from Korea and he 42:31 said he just mimicked his accent. Nice. So here's the thing about the in early 42:39 and mid 80s is you could still make fun of people in offensive ways like black 42:45 people, women, homosexuals. You could still make fun of and and and you can't 42:52 get away with that now unless you're an Asian male. I was kind of noticing that 42:58 that it still seems even today like it's okay to make fun of Asian males. If you 43:04 make fun of anybody else, it's offensive. But you'll see still see stuff out there that's very kind of 43:09 stereotypical. And I thought that's interesting that the Asian male hasn't really been 43:17 protected in the way that all these other groups of people had in our current kind of world. So, I think it's 43:24 specifically males. I think it's specifically Asian males. And you'll even see comedians, Asian 43:30 male comedians, they still play it up sometimes. You'll still see it. And even like at the high school, like with my 43:36 son, he has a lot of Asian male friends and they were born here, but they still seem to get a lot of that kind of thing. 43:44 So, I was thinking that's interesting that is this character perpetuating that 43:49 stereotype? Yeah. But that's one of the few stereotypes that can still be around 43:55 today. I don't know if it'd be to this level though. I mean, imagine seeing a modern 44:00 movie made to this level. Like literally like every time he shows up, a dong ring, you like thatong the gong. His his 44:09 name is Long Dong. Exactly. And the your last name Dong, your first 44:14 name Long. Ooh. Oh, and he even doesn't he have like karate gear on in in one scene randomly. 44:24 Yeah. And they they continually call him China. The China. The China. 44:29 They have him using some of it's kind of funny like he is he turns the silverware around to use the ends of it as chop. 44:38 I guess the scene with the exercise bike was his idea, the actor's idea, because he found it in the home they were 44:44 filming in and had an idea. So, he did I think probably it could have been worse, I guess, is 44:50 what I'm saying. I think he did make things funny, but yeah. 44:57 Yeah, there was a lot really. And like they they even insinuated that the grandparents were kind of 45:04 using him for like labor. He does a great job mowing the lawn. 45:11 They Well, they listed like four things that they're like, "Yeah, he's learning he's learning all these American things and it's learning how to wash the dishes 45:18 him doing their chores." Yeah. Yeah. But hey, he gets the girl that he was after, right? 45:24 Mhm. So, there you go. Yeah. And Molly Molly Ringwald playing Samantha is jealous. She's like, "He's 45:30 here five minutes and he finds love and I've been here my whole life." Exactly. Yeah. It it's definitely a 45:36 character you have to put into the context of when it was made. You certainly can't put it with our modern 45:42 sensibilities in I am surprised though. I mean I was a toddler in 84 but I guess watching it I 45:51 I was kind of surprised that it was so blatant in the 80s. Like 45:57 it's not the 50s. I don't know. And it's kind of weird for John Hughes, too, who 46:03 in general is pretty, you know, he plays stuff for laughs, but in general plays, you know, like we were saying earlier, 46:09 writes teens reasonably, respectably. But then he throws this character in there that's kind of a bit out of place. 46:16 Just for last. Just Yeah. Like, why why did the grandparents bring 46:22 Yeah, you're right. It is kind of just just for last. And I He is notorious for 46:27 having all-white casts. Mhm. And then when there is someone that is not white, they're a caricature. 46:36 Yeah. Not great, John Hughes. Let's let's work on this in your next life. How about Come on, Sean. Yeah. 46:42 So, the grandparents I thought were [ __ ] hilarious. Paul Douly is her dad. The grandparents, I guess. I'm not 46:48 listing their their names, but you all know Paul Douly. He's extremely famous. He plays her dad. And then her mom is 46:55 played by Carlin Glenn. which I didn't know her from anything, 47:03 but she is the real life mother of an actress in another John Hughes movie. 47:09 You guys know Mary Master Stewart Antonio. What? What? 47:15 How do I say? Yes. Jamie Stewart. Mary Stewart Masterson. Did you look this up at some point? How 47:20 did you know that? I I looked it up at some point. Yeah. Oh, wow. Good job. 47:26 Jeez. Ready for trivia night. That's funny because you were combining I knew where you were going. You were 47:32 combining Mary Stewart Masterson with Mary Antonio. 47:38 Master Antonio. Master Antonio. Yeah. It's like hard to say. Yeah. 47:44 I was confusing all of those, but you get what I I I was getting there. Yeah. And then her sister who's getting 47:50 married is played by Blanch Baker which I think so her sister's name is Jenny in 47:56 this and she's played by Blanch Baker and Baker is the actual actress's last 48:03 name too. I mean should we talk about that marriage? Like she's basically marrying into an abusive relationship. 48:09 Well, first of all, yeah. Who is she marrying? Who was he? Who's the actor? I I recognized him. I can't remember his 48:15 name now, but I knew I knew it when I watched it. I can't think of his name. John Capalos is the actor's name 48:21 and he's the janitor in the Breakfast Club. Oh, that's Yep. Yeah. And he was in another one other John 48:27 Hughes movie cuz he's like one of the one of the like two actors who was in three John Hughes movies. 48:34 He was in Weird Science also. I think he's the bar that they go to in Chicago. 48:40 Yeah. Yeah. I like him as an actor, but that I think they should have expanded the scenes with his parents. The dinner 48:48 with his parents. I thought that was hilarious. Yeah, you're right. They should have had another scene with them. 48:56 Oh, and there's another thing like they offensively call him the oily bow hunk. 49:04 I wish somebody would call me that. That's awesome. The oily bow hunk. car. Jamie, we can start calling you that if you want. 49:12 You know what I actually remember? I actually do and people for let's see how would you describe this is like a 49:18 Midwestern like offensive slang term for um like Eastern European countries like 49:26 Oh, okay. Czechos like at the time it was Czechoslovakia, right? 49:32 They used to call them Hungary probably oily bow hunks. Am I right? Am I Am I getting that 49:38 right? It's like We're from We're from the West Coast, so I'd never heard that other than in this 49:43 film. That's the only place that sounds like Did you guys not know what that meant? [ __ ] 49:49 I thought it was kind of got it based on what they said and who they were saying it to, right? I was thinking like a like a a buff dude 49:55 who's kind of oiled down and he's a boh. He's a hunk, right? See, I was thinking kind of buff, but like oily and he's like sweats and eats 50:03 a lot of oily foods and stuff. So, I was thinking like gross oily. I didn't really understand the oily bit because 50:08 like the way they portrayed the parents were more Italian stereotypes. Yeah. But yeah, he's his name is Rudy and 50:16 their last name is like something Czech and so in the Midwest which John Hughes this like set in Chicago. So in the 50:22 Midwest there are a lot of immigrants from those Eastern European countries like I'm thinking of like Czech 50:28 uh Hungary probably a couple others. Yeah, those immigrants 50:35 like the slang offensive term was boh. Oh, so I better not go around calling 50:42 myself. Don't Is [ __ ] okay without the oily part? Could we just call Jamie [ __ ] 50:48 No, it's like it's like saying [ __ ] What's [ __ ] It's a slang. Well, that one I know that's term for 50:55 Italians. Yeah, I definitely know that one. Like offensive slang. Yeah, it's it's in the same vein. But yeah, like the the 51:03 scene with his parents because they were over the top, but they seemed more again like I like um like a really 51:09 caricaturish mob family cuz he and the even the Godfather music 51:16 comes on. Yeah. Like when he's like, "Oh, my business. It's a little this, a little 51:21 that." And the mom made up. Can't talk about it too much. I might 51:27 have to kill you. Come on. Well, so where were you going with the she's marrying into an abusive 51:33 relationship? Well, because he's really I keep calling you guys. Well, like he's really insulting towards 51:39 her, you know? He says something at some point to her and even the dad kind of 51:45 has a reaction to it like her dad. I don't even remember what he says to her, but he just kind of comes across as 51:51 like very demeaning towards her. Well, yeah, cuz his mom says something like, 51:57 "Oh, he's gonna have to stop now that he's marrying her. He'll have to stop with the sleeping 52:03 around." Something like that. Something like that. And then I think he says, "I can still look." 52:08 Yeah. Nothing wrong with looking or whatever he says. But yeah, just kind of like his attitude and stuff. So maybe 52:14 not like physically abusive, but more like kind of emotionally abusive is the way like he's going to put her down a 52:20 lot. I mean, he basically does kidnap her at the church because she's like completely out of it and he has to like 52:25 physically get her into the Yeah. Relaxing's great with the dress 52:30 hanging out the car. Yeah. And they even like 52:35 And the parents are like, "Come on, go get married. Get out of the house. We don't care that you're all hopped up on meds." 52:41 No, they're trying to offload one of those kids. Yeah. Have her be somebody else's issue. 52:46 We need the space. Too many kids in this house. Indeed. Um, but like her being on 52:52 her period, one of the kids is even like, "Oh, that should make for an interesting honeymoon or something like I'm like, 52:58 "Wow." I don't know. I don't know. I think he says that the husband says that, 53:03 doesn't he? I think it's the husband they say because they overhear it and then he makes some kind of comment or 53:09 something when he's standing there in the church waiting like make very interesting. Also, four muscle relaxers for your 53:16 period. Yeah. I mean, come on. Bring them on. I'll take them. I guess. 53:21 Yeah. On your wedding day, you got something else going on there. That's what I'm saying. But I mean, seriously, who needs a 53:28 muscle relaxer for their period? And then four of them. Four of them. Mhm. Well, Milo and I can't comment on that, 53:35 but we'll take your word for it. I mean, I'll take I'll take the I'll take the muscle relaxants, but can't 53:40 comment on other I'll take all the drugs. Exactly. Also, I don't know. Again, maybe this is 53:47 I feel like a thing back in the day. People got married very quickly. She's like trying to say that I actually like 53:54 this one longer than I like most of them and he loves me. It's been six months 54:01 with the same person. Yeah. Six months clearly. And the wedding is already planned like 54:08 the six months. Six months in Yeah. And they're from meeting to 54:14 marriage. Six months. Yeah. When it's love, you just know that you got to get married right away. 54:20 Did people in general in 1984 get married sooner? Do you remember that at all? 54:27 That's what I wondered. That's what I I kind of think so. But with though, 54:33 I still think that I mean, unless you're pregnant, I feel like that happened a lot. People got married. Pregnancy. Yeah. 54:38 Yeah. Yeah. Maybe she was pregnant and they just didn't tell anybody. Oh, no. Cuz she had her 54:43 her period. Yeah. Never mind. debunked. Yeah, debunked. 54:50 Hey, we know how biology works on the Retro Made Show. I really like I really like Farmer Ted, 54:57 though, the geek. And here's why. He's such a geek, but he's just got this awesome confidence. 55:06 Like, yo, what's up, baby? How you doing? That's the I love that kid. 55:11 some swagger, but he's he's he's just geeking out, but he's he he's comfortable in his own 55:17 skin. He's like, "Yeah, my geek, sure thing, but I'm awesome sauce. I'm a I'm a little bottle of awesome sauce, and I 55:23 know it." That's why I really like his character. I like I like the actor, 55:28 Anthony Michael Hall, who plays him, cuz he does look like kind of a little geek. He's 15, but he hasn't hit puberty yet. 55:34 And he's a geek, but he's just owning himself, you know? He's like the leader of his little geek group. 55:40 I would imagine John Cusack would be the leader of the group. I mean, he's John Cusack. 55:45 I was thinking the same thing, Milo. So, yes, you guys, John Cusack plays a friend and his sister Joan is in this, 55:51 too, which I also could be considered an offensive character. 55:57 She wear she has a back brace and is played for hilarity and it kind of was 56:03 trying to drink water out of the fountain. She can't drink a beer. She can't drink water. She is just like she was she's 56:11 funny. I I love Joan Cusack as an actress. So even seeing her in this tiny role. But 56:17 yeah, and the headgear the Anthony Michael Hall has like just back braces 56:22 and headgear in general like how how ' 80s. So does he carry his headgear around 56:29 with him though? But on the headgear is he wakes up in the car with the girl the next day, right? And he's wearing his 56:35 headgear. So, did he go home and get it at some point or does he just carry it around with him just in case he happens 56:41 to pass out somewhere? Great question. Here's how I'm answering it. They were This is like a Friday 56:47 night and they were all sleeping over at one of the geeks house, remember? Cuz later he goes over there. So, they were 56:53 having a sleepover. So, he probably had it with him. Okay. Like in prep for the sleepover. That's 56:58 how I'm answering it. Sure, I'll allow it. But isn't that such a teenager thing though? John Hughes gets it. you have 57:05 braces or you have a back brace or you have headgear. I remember my son for a while had this big thing on his face to 57:13 move his jaws or whatever. Just like Uhhuh. It's just just an awkward time, right? 57:19 Like your parents are trying to make sure your body isn't disfigured, so they're giving you these things to while 57:26 you're growing. You're a teenager. You got braces and back braces and and head gear and all this stuff. That's a very 57:32 teenager thing. And then you got this on top of that. You got to have your acne medicine. It's an awkward time, man. 57:39 It's the worst time. And of course, every kid at school makes fun of you for it. Yeah. That's why I like Johnny this in this 57:45 movie. I hadn't seen it in a while, but that's why I really like it because it captures a lot of the awkwardness of teenagers, right? That being a teenager, 57:52 like you worry about the what the boy thinks about you. Unlike when you're our age, you're like, I don't give a [ __ ] 57:57 what that guy thinks about me. Go pound sand. You're right. cuz I'm so far removed 58:04 from being 15 uh that I'm like I don't care. Like she's concerned about not filling out 58:09 her dress. Like her boobs, like she has boobs, but they're not big boobs. And she's like jealous of the older, you 58:16 know, the senior girls and was the boy like me? And even in the the scene where 58:22 she's like writing the note, uh it's like an anonymous questionnaire about basically sexual things and she's 58:28 answering it and then she's supposed to pass it back. And the 58:34 massive embarrassment, I would die if the boy that I had a crush on read the 58:40 note that I just said I wanted to have sex with him in the note. I mean, just 58:46 disaster waiting. Yeah. So, I had forgotten and it really took me back to 58:51 being 15. Yeah. You're cuz you're so self-conscious and I see it in my teen son. He like really like he cares if he 58:59 smells or not and he's always wearing like cologne and stuff. I'm like, "Dude, you smell like 59:05 younger. The house smells like a like a like a wh house in here. What's going on?" Like, 59:12 are you going to sell some watches? Jesus. But he's like, "I don't want to smell bad. I'm going to go see my girlfriend." Dude, how could you 59:17 possibly smell bad? You took a bath in cologne. Just can you ease up on that? Cuz back then I remember though I didn't 59:24 want to smell either. Now I'm like, "Yeah, I'm all right. Good enough. Go a couple more days. It's all good." 59:30 No, I I fully support I fully support teenagers wearing the cologne cuz I remember loving the scent 59:37 that my boyfriend wore and like when I'd wear his shirt, you know, I'd take his shirt home and like I'm like, "Oh, it 59:42 smells like him." You know, but they care. They care that teenagers care. That's why I like this movie. It 59:48 took me back to like teenagerhood where you care. They all care about stuff like that. And it's nice, you know. I And 59:56 they're awkward and it is nice, but it also makes you really insecure. I never want to go to that 1:00:02 level of insecurity ever again. You know, unless you're farmer Ted the geek, man. 1:00:07 He doesn't have any insecurity. He's like, "Here's my headgear. Whatever. I'm awesome." He's also almost predator. guy does not 1:00:14 take no for an answer. Come on. Like, how many times does she say no? She's like, "No, no, no. Get off me." No. You 1:00:22 know, and then he's like, "Oh, sure. I'll take your passed out, drunk girlfriend home. Just throw in the No 1:00:28 problem." He's more worried about driving the car than the girl. You know, it's like, "That's a nice car. I can't 1:00:34 drive that. Can't I just throw your girlfriend, you know, in on the bus?" On the bus. 1:00:40 So, yeah. Like this night they're at a dance from from Anthony Michael Hall's 1:00:46 character. He makes a bet. This is just wild. The events that happen that he 1:00:52 does that he should feel responsible for. He bets his loser friends that he 1:00:57 is basically going to have sex that night right then and there with Samantha. And they somehow end up in the 1:01:05 shop room in a half-built car. Yeah. Milo, he comes on to her like 1:01:11 tired mauls her and she's like get off and he's like I think he maybe even said I'm 1:01:18 sorry and then she said it's okay. He takes it's okay as permission to start 1:01:25 doing it again. And because he actually does like her and I think he does respect her, he tells her this little 1:01:33 secret that he has with his friends and she gave him the panties to use. 1:01:39 cuz she likes him too. Actually, I think she likes him too. She doesn't want to get it on with him, but I think she 1:01:44 respects his tenacity. I don't know. So then all these like freshman boys pay 1:01:50 to see the panties. Exactly. $1. You want to see the panties? $1. 1:01:56 Which, by the way, what? How? How are they buying this as proof of sex? He 1:02:03 could have just bought those. Yeah. Yeah. or found him somewhere or 1:02:08 ran to the store. Yeah. Could have got him anywhere. So then later in the evening, he's in a 1:02:15 car with yet another woman after trading the panties for her. 1:02:20 That's right. They make a deal. Tell us about the deal, Milo. Tell us about this 1:02:26 the deal that Jake He trades his girl. This is just wild. Yeah. He's literally like his 1:02:33 girlfriend's passed out drunk and he finds Anthony Michael Hall 1:02:40 in his house and he's Anony's making him a drink and and 1:02:45 mentions the panties and he's like, "Hey, I'll trade you those give me the panties and I'll let you take my 1:02:51 girlfriend home." And he's like, "Well, I can't do that." And she's like, "Oh, no. She's passed out. She wouldn't know me from you. It's fine. Go for it." 1:03:01 And then he even tells her I'm him. He's me to now. 1:03:06 Yes. So she wakes up say it. But did you mean did was he giving permission to 1:03:13 sleep with her? That's the way I was taking it. I think it was implied. I It was definitely say it. 1:03:20 Yeah. So once they dump her in the back of the car, she wakes up for a second. She 1:03:26 looks at him and Jake's like, "What? Who? Who are you?" And Jake's like, "He's me and I'm you. He's me." And 1:03:34 she's like, "Okay, that's good." And passes back out and he's like, "Yeah." Cuz even even, you know, the geek is 1:03:39 kind of like, "Are you sure?" And Jake's like, "Yeah, that's good. I I've I've 1:03:44 got a new girl that I like now, so do whatever you want with this one. She's used up. I've had her before." 1:03:50 Yeah. Yeah. I've lost. And I think he's sick of all her partying and stuff. And maybe he wants a 1:03:55 girl who's like a little more stable, maybe maybe nicer. And everybody knows, 1:04:01 someone I can love and care about that's, you know, not maybe he's maturing. 1:04:07 Yeah, maybe he's getting he's maturing as a guy. Yeah, it's very mature to ditch your 1:04:12 drunk girlfriend in a car with some geek, implying that the geek can have sex with her. 1:04:18 He's sick of her, man. Whatever you want, kid. It It doesn't matter to me. Wheeling and dealing. She, you know, he 1:04:25 fair and square, man. Uh, also, did you guys notice that when they're putting it 1:04:30 takes two of them, they're collaborating on this kidnapping extravagana, putting 1:04:36 her in the car with another six-pack of beer. This is the end of the night. The 1:04:42 party's over. And he's like, "Here's some roies for you." 1:04:47 Yep. And she continues to drink it. Was he doing that on purpose to maintain her level of 1:04:53 I think so he's like you don't want her like it was again implied you don't want her waking up so just you know too much 1:04:59 so just keep feeding her beers have a few for yourself and it's all good and drive the car that 1:05:05 you really barely know how to drive without your driver's license. Yeah, it's all good. Hey, but as long as you 1:05:11 don't drop those fbombs, that's fine. Don't drop any PG. Again, you guys, yes, this is a PG-rated 1:05:18 movie. It is a take your kids to see it. Underage drinking, sexual assault, 1:05:26 but they don't have it. They only have one fbomb. It's okay. But he needs proof of this. So he goes to his friends and asks if they have 1:05:32 film in the camera. Yes. So 80s. Yeah. Again, very inappropriate. 1:05:40 Hey, look. I got this drunk girl. Let's take my picture with her. Yeah. And then 1:05:46 they assume that they've already slept together and they're like, "Two in one night. You're a legend." 1:05:53 Yeah. This like 11-year-old looking boy. Yeah. He's such a stud. Such a stud. No 1:06:01 longer the geek. He's the stud. The alpha geek. He's the alpha beta. That's why That's why he is. 1:06:07 There's a few other really inappropriate things that I wanted to I'm sure that you that you caught. One is on more than 1:06:15 one occasion they use the f word that rhymes with bag. 1:06:21 Oh. Oh yeah. Multiple times. Like as an insult. Do you I seriously do remember that word 1:06:29 being used as lame like to mean lame. Yeah. I remember that from my youth as 1:06:34 well. Like we didn't throw it around as we Yeah. It was it it was to the level 1:06:39 of calling somebody lame or you know a geek or a loser you know like you would say it to your friends like oh 1:06:46 you know kind of stuff like we it it back then it wasn't 1:06:52 necessarily like a hard insult. It was a kind of a soft insult. But it's we're so 1:06:57 far it's Isn't it funny how once it's removed from your vernacular it stands 1:07:03 out so much when you do hear it again? Mhm. That and 1:07:10 again all always all white people in these movies when Samantha is talking 1:07:16 about what would be her perfect you know her she's complaining to her friend that her family she says my family [ __ ] 1:07:22 forgot my birthday and her friend was like well what did what did you want a trans Aam in the driveway with a bow 1:07:27 around it or something and then she's like talking about her perfect birthday about like a a cute guy and a transam or 1:07:36 something or and a black one and her friend goes, "A black guy?" Like like as 1:07:44 if that so shocked that she would actually want to like date a black boy 1:07:51 and she was like, "God, no. The Trans Am a pink boy." Do you remember her saying 1:07:58 that? I don't remember that. I must have missed that one. Yeah. Oh, wow. That's funny. 1:08:04 It was like in the school hallway and I was like, "Oh my god." Yeah. Where would you even find a black kid 1:08:10 anyway? Cuz you're in the part of Chicago suburbs that they don't even Maybe that's why her friend was so 1:08:16 shocked. There aren't any black people in within miles of us. You're going to go up to the south side. 1:08:21 Like where are you going to go? Yeah. Oh my god. But then she said no. a black car, a pink boy 1:08:30 to make nice and white pink kind of. Yeah, cuz they were talking about like pink or I don't know somehow like mixing 1:08:37 up the boy in the car. I don't know. There was a Mr. T reference. 1:08:43 Oh, what was that? This is 1984. And I pity a fool. Mhm. So Rocky, 1:08:50 I don't know. Actually, the So the A team would have already The A team would be on a team. Rocky Rocky Rocky 3 would have 1:08:56 been out. Yeah. Yeah. 84. I think maybe even his serial was out by then. 1:09:02 Mr. T serial. Mhm. That was kind of big back then. Yeah, he was quite popular then. 1:09:07 Yeah. He's wild. Did you So, here's the question. So, if unless I miss something. So, you know, 1:09:13 when the when Jake goes to her house to find her and Long Duck Dong answers the 1:09:19 door, he's got a black eye and he starts freaking out like Jake had hit him and 1:09:26 they say there's a conversation where he's like, "Are you going to hit me again?" or something like that, but there's no You beat me or something. 1:09:32 Yeah, you beat me. But there's no scene. So, they obviously cut a scene out of the film at some point in time where 1:09:38 Jake beats up Long Duck Dong. 100%. I actually rewound it, Milo, cuz 1:09:44 I'm like, "Wait, did I miss something?" Yeah. Yeah. So, it must I'm guessing it must have happened at the party, baby, or 1:09:50 something. But, so Jake also was a dick for besides pimping out his girl, he 1:09:57 also beats up the Asian foreign exchange student. Yeah. For no reason. What did he do? 1:10:04 He's just He might have did something obnoxious. But yeah, that's the thing. I want that I want to find out what that cut scene is. It's a hate crime. 1:10:10 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're right, Milo. But I got to say, very dreamy. 1:10:17 This Jake. Mhm. Did you guys not think so? 1:10:22 In fact, that's why they chose him because actually, I guess he was so shy in the audition and they were like, "We 1:10:29 don't know if this guy's going to work." But they were all like, "God, this guy's dreamy, though. We got to work with this guy somehow." 1:10:34 But he's so But he's so pretty. Yeah, I guess. And he really he really I mean, he he 1:10:41 Yeah. Jake from from Mhm. I'd have a crush on him if I were a 16-year-old redhead in a suburban 1:10:48 Chicago school. I'd be like, "Damn, he's like the perfect ' 80s rich kid." 1:10:54 This movie also checks all the boxes. There's a dance that they go to. There's a party at the 1:10:59 rich kid's house. There's nerds and jocks that, you know, so I don't know why that's like a trope in ' 80s movies, 1:11:07 but they seem to always have beef with each other. I I don't There must been a cut. 1:11:13 Remember my high school? The nerds and jocks did not. Nerds and jocks. Yep. A real thing actually. 1:11:18 Exactly. Because like in real Oh, real life. It's real. in real life like it seems like the jocks would like 1:11:26 you're not enough for me to even care about. That seems like how they would 1:11:31 you must have went to later the nerds got wealthy like working for tech companies and the jocks are 1:11:37 like I don't know selling insurance so the nerds won out in the long run. True. 1:11:42 The nerds got the trophy now. The geeks were right. Well, where I was 1:11:48 going with that, Milo, is like Jake's friend even when they're in the gym, which was a weird scene. They're like 1:11:54 doing pull-ups or something, and his friend uh basically when he's asked 1:12:00 about, "Do you know Samantha Baker? What do you think about her?" And his friend is like, "I don't." 1:12:06 Like that's that's how they think of people that aren't of their caliber or whatever. 1:12:12 Yeah. In their in their clique or their group. Yeah. I think you find a lot less groups 1:12:18 that way with today's kids. But it's weird cuz like my kids, my son's a 1:12:23 teenager and I'll drop him off at school or whatever or he's hanging out with friends and I'm like it used to be 1:12:29 geeks. The geeks like you see in this movie were kind of a subset of of the kids, but seems like there's so many 1:12:36 more of them now. Like maybe they're the majority now. There's a lot of weird 1:12:42 kids, man. That's a good point. There's so many subg genres. 1:12:49 Kids kids have figured out they're like, "Wait a minute. If I'm a geek, I'm going to be rich and successful and get the 1:12:54 hot girl to whereas if I'm a jock, I'm going to spend the rest of my life remembering that time in high school 1:13:00 when I, you know, threw the football touchdown or whatever. You know, peak in high school. 1:13:05 You're going to be success. They're thinking ahead. Yeah, they're thinking ahead. You're going to be Uncle Rico or or Al 1:13:12 Bundy. Exactly. Yes. Al Bundy. Exactly. 1:13:18 Be selling shoes. Remember that time you threw a touchdown in high school? Selling shoes. Jocks. You lo You lost. 1:13:26 You lose. There's a few other people that I wanted to point out. I was looking for it. The 1:13:33 reverend I did see. So, in the wedding scene when Jenny, 1:13:38 she's like needs to sit down in the pew cuz she's so out of it on muscle relaxer. She's like, I just need to sit 1:13:43 and rest for a minute. She sits next to Agnes Belalushi who is that actress in 1:13:49 the sitting next to her is John and James mom. Wow. So, they got her a little gig in 1:13:56 the film. the the priest or the reverend is played by Bill Murray's brother, 1:14:02 Brian Doyle Murray. I thought that was fun. The less famous Murray, but he's still 1:14:07 in a lot of stuff. Brian Doyle Murphy, if you look at he's shows up in a lot of films in support of 1:14:12 his IMDb page is a mile long. He's in so Yeah, he's in so many things. You 1:14:18 remember Groundhog Day? He was like the the mayor. Well, that's Bill's movie. Like 1:14:23 yeah, of course he's going to Bill's like just in so many things. Okay. Yeah, I guess that I mean that 1:14:30 tracks. Also, Jamie Girtz, did you guys see her? She's one of friends. 1:14:35 That that's like she just had a little cameo kind of a little role, but I I was so I was surprised to see because I I 1:14:41 love Jamie Girtz. I think she's kind of the underrated kind of movie Dream Girl of the 80s. 1:14:47 Um so it was cool to see her in there. I'm I'm a big fan. 1:14:53 I am too. Now, we already covered Ferris Buer's Day Off and so we were talking 1:14:59 about the there was meaning behind all the license plates in Ferris Buer's Day 1:15:04 Off and that seems to be a thing that John Hughes does. Well, this being his first movie that he directed, did you 1:15:10 guys see that? So Jake's car, which is a pretty sweet car, the license plate was 21850, 1:15:17 which is John Hugh's birthday, February 18th, 1950. 1:15:23 And Molly Ringwald's birthday is also February 18th. Oh. Oh, wow. Didn't know that. 1:15:30 That house. Yeah. Again, I don't know. I think I'm again, this is my conflating pretty and 1:15:37 pink, I think, with 16 candles because I recalled them being poor and they're 1:15:43 definitely not poor. That was a giant house. I guess there's six bedrooms. It 1:15:49 was a brick house in northwestern Evston, Illinois. And in 2006 it sold 1:15:56 for1 and a4 million which today would be 1:16:01 like I don't know $3 million probably. Yeah, probably. Yeah, actually probably tripled. 1:16:08 I mean it sounds like a lot but these days it's not a lot but in 2006 it 1:16:13 probably was. It's a lot in a Chicago suburb. 1:16:18 Yeah. That house probably would cost about $3 million probably. Yeah. 1:16:23 Yeah. Houses are expensive. Extreme. But her room wasn't in that house. Her 1:16:29 room was in like a part of the the gym that they were in where they filmed 1:16:34 dances and stuff in the school which they tore down and and now it's a community college. But I guess that high 1:16:42 school that they did it in had been closed for four years. So they filmed it in there. But her room was was a set in 1:16:47 there. And I guess Molly Ringwald had a lot of her own stuff from her room in that fake room. So you get a little a 1:16:55 little insight into what Molly Ringwald, the real Molly Ringwald's room might have looked like cuz she had a lot of 1:17:00 her own stuff in there. Yeah. And like her binder, like a lot of band names and stuff that she was into 1:17:06 on her written on her school binder and stuff like that. Yeah. And in fact, I guess she and Anthony Michael Hall didn't get along at 1:17:12 first. So John Hughes sent them off to go buy music together at the mall and they ended up like liking the same music 1:17:20 and one of the bands she had written on there was this kind of one of the bands that they liked. So they kind of bonded 1:17:25 over music which worked out cuz they were the only two that were underage. So when they 1:17:33 were shooting this movie, let's see, I think it was in Skoi, they were, you know, being housed at this 1:17:39 hotel in Skoi and on the weekends, everybody else that was of age went to clubs and Molly 1:17:47 Ringwald and Anthony Michael Hall being 15 couldn't do that. So I guess, you know, after they bonded at over music, 1:17:53 they crashed bar mitzvah at the hotel. Yes. 1:17:58 Hang out with a fun thing to do. It sounds like a very John Hughes John Hughes movie plotline. Like it does. 1:18:05 A couple 15year-old kids who can't go out because everybody's an adult. They go crash bar miffas. You can make a John 1:18:11 Hughes movie about that. That's the whole premise of a John Hughes movie. Also, listeners, I would like to point 1:18:18 out that the reason I know that is because I started reading the book that I mentioned a couple episodes ago 1:18:25 that I told you I would give you some tidbits from. You couldn't ignore me if you tried the Brat Pack John Hughes and 1:18:31 their impact on a generation by Susanna Gora. So yeah, fun fun fact. 1:18:37 Oh, that looks like a good one. Did you guys see that the note uh the 1:18:42 embarrassing like she's writing it's like asking questions. Have you done it? Who do you want to do it with? Like very 1:18:48 um at the top it says confidential but confidential is spelled wrong. I didn't notice that. 1:18:55 That's awesome. Yeah, it's very typical, too. I don't know if that was like an accident or if they 1:19:00 purposefully did that. Oh, that'd be funny. Either way, it's awesome. Yeah. Either way, it's so it's it's so 1:19:06 perfect. Yeah. I don't think note passing was a thing in German schools, by the way, cuz 1:19:12 when we watched this, my wife said something about the note and she's like, "What?" And I'm like, "Yeah, they're like writing notes and 1:19:18 passing notes in class." And so, she didn't get what they were doing. She was like, "Is that like a quiz or something?" I'm like, "No, they're not 1:19:23 going to ask that on a quiz." Like, it's like She's passing notes to her friend. Yeah. 1:19:29 I mean, it was a quiz, but like a friend quiz. It was a friend quiz. Yeah. Yeah. But you pass all kinds of notes in 1:19:34 class. That was totally a thing. That's how you That's how you texted back then. You'd pass notes, but they didn't do it in German schools. 1:19:41 I guess serious over there. Nine. Yeah. Nine. No notes. Slapped with a 1:19:47 ruler if you get caught. Just passing a note. We didn't build MercedesBenzes by passing notes. Pay attention. You study. 1:19:55 busy being a serious civilization. Yeah. I like how one of the questions was like, "Have you ever had sex?" And one 1:20:03 was and it was kind of like maybe or something like that or how do you know? How do you tell? She said sort of or kind of or something 1:20:10 or I think so. I think I think it was like, you know, that's that I feel like is 1:20:15 such a pre-teen teen thing to be like, well, I've done some stuff, but you 1:20:23 know, I I don't know. Is that sex? Yeah, 1:20:28 that's pretty funny. So, I do very much like the the person that they cast as Jake Ryan. However, in 1:20:35 an alternate universe, I would have loved this, too. You're never going to guess in a million years who was super 1:20:42 close to getting it. It was down to two people are Michael Schafield or Schaing 1:20:50 and Vo Mortensson. Yeah. I would I would watch that. I 1:20:55 Yeah, is a star. He is I I adore Yeah. I mean, and I He's 1:21:02 an exception for me cuz I'm not a blonde. Not into the blondes. But dude, VGO Mortonson. 1:21:08 Yeah. Yeah. I guess Molly really wanted him to to be the guy, too, cuz she was like 1:21:13 that that guy is like, I like this guy. She's like, if I had to choose, I'd hit that. 1:21:20 Yeah. I think the studio wanted VGO, too. But John, you know, he he put the 1:21:25 hammer down and he said, "No, it's going to be show thing." John. Yeah. I mean, I guess he has more of that kind 1:21:33 of high school jock preppy look versus 1:21:38 Yeah. Like he definitely has probably more of the look of that kind that Yeah. Drives a Porsche 1:21:43 thing. Whereas, although Vgo maybe could have done like the the blonde Ivy League look too, 1:21:49 maybe. I don't know. Yeah. I'm not mad at I'm not mad at R.J. Ryan here. So, but I I I would like the 1:21:55 alternate reality, too. Maybe he could have been in the sequel because as we always talk about in these '8s 1:22:01 movies, there's always talk of sequels or remakes or whatnot. There was a potential sequel in 2005 and 1:22:09 Molly Ringald actually was interested in doing it. It was going to be 32 candles, 1:22:16 you know, doubling. Well, now it'd be more like 50 something candles or something. 1:22:23 60 or whatever. 60 candles. No, she's probably not that much older than us. I don't know. 1:22:30 67 candles. Like 67 and a half candles. Now you could collect social security. 1:22:35 And people are like, "Oh yeah, we can collect social security now." And it's a whole movie about Molly Ringwald 1:22:40 collecting social security. She's like party time. 1:22:46 Jake's gone. And there's a new guy in the old folks home that she's got a crush on. Oh, it's VGO. 1:22:53 Yeah, VGO's back. I'd watch it. I like it. Start writing. Start writing. 1:22:59 We didn't talk about the music and I wanted to bring him up uh because he's a 1:23:04 very frequent collaborator with John Hughes. The guy who did the music is Ira Neworn and we talked about him on the 1:23:10 Ferris Buer's Day Off episode because he also did that music. But Weird Science, Uncle Buck, Planes, Trans Auto 1:23:16 Automobiles, and also Ace Ventura and Mrats. Mrs. Even. 1:23:22 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It I mean again 1:23:27 like when you think ' 80s and you think his mo his film, John Hughes films, you 1:23:32 think music as well. Like he every one of his films has a soundtrack that goes 1:23:38 along with it perfectly. 100% 100%. And it kind of used to be that way with John Hughes or Tim Burton 1:23:46 or even who's the '90s guy that why can't I think of his name? 1:23:52 Pulp Fiction. Quinn Tarantino. Tarantino. Yeah. Where they they have they get they 1:23:57 find their style and they then they find their musical score guy 1:24:02 and they find a cohort of actors that they like to work with and that's kind of their little world of 1:24:10 their little film world. I don't know. Like I don't watch many movies. Is it still that way where directors kind of 1:24:17 have that thing or I I think I feel like that was a thing back then. Question. It very much was. 1:24:23 Yeah. John Hughes had his Molly Ringwalds and he had the people who did he had his style, the people who did his 1:24:29 music and the Michael Anthony Hall. He had his group just like Tim Burton did, 1:24:37 right? That's was my group. I I don't know if that's a thing anymore. And maybe it's because studios kind of 1:24:43 control everything now instead of the actual directors. It might be. There was a a really 1:24:50 interesting guest on the Daily Show recently. Her name is Nancy. She's like oldworld Hollywood, but she's an Asian 1:24:56 actress that somehow got parts that weren't just like caricatures. 1:25:02 We're talking like in the 60s. And so she was talking about how at that time 1:25:07 the era where the studios you were under and part of the reason that that happened for her was because she was 1:25:12 under contract with a studio. So she was had to be in they had her contracted for eight movies or whatever. And so she 1:25:20 said that was kind of ending in the 60s and she said something really interesting. They were talking about movies. She said everything kind of 1:25:26 comes back. So, I think that you saying that, Jamie, made me realize, are we are 1:25:31 we getting back to that because when that ended, it ushered in this whole independent movie 1:25:38 era, you know, really big in the '9s and then now we're kind of back to just 1:25:43 these like giant studio films. So, I don't know. It just kind of reminded me of that. Yeah. So, speaking of which though, a 1:25:51 lot of these movies that John Hughes did in the 80s that I that are really good were made for no money. This was made 1:25:57 for $6.5 million and it was nothing to sneeze at the worldwide gross. It was 1:26:03 $23.6 million on such a small budget which was considered a modest hit at the 1:26:08 time. And you're right, Jamie, it right behind Breaken. It opened in '84, 1:26:15 but it became a big hit on VHS. You guys, it's a film that's sweet, massively questionable, but also 1:26:21 relatable. Yeah. All the same. and very much of its time. Final thoughts on Sixteen Candles 1:26:27 You know, whether you're team Jake Ryan or just here for the '8s vibes, I do hope you enjoyed this trip back to 1984. 1:26:34 Jamie Milo, thank you so much for joining me. What are your closing thoughts on 16 Candles? 1:26:42 Go for it, Jamie. I guess they're just a movie that won't 1:26:47 be made again. So, that's what makes it good, I guess. I I I I kind of miss a 1:26:54 lot of the I I don't know, maybe I'm a bad person, but I miss when you could 1:26:59 make fun of things like they what they made fun of back then. So maybe I'm 1:27:04 terrible, but I wish I wish you could make movies like this where people weren't 1:27:11 I mean, maybe not. Maybe not some of it, but I wish I wish you could like be a 1:27:16 little more like less offended people and watch this and just take it in stride. So, I like this. I haven't seen 1:27:23 this in forever. And it reminded me of being a teenager again, even though I wasn't a teenager in 1984. I was a kid, 1:27:30 but if this will take you back to some of the insecurities and weirdness of being a teenager, so I dig it. I'm glad 1:27:35 I got to revisit this again. Yeah, I'm I'm with you. It's one of those films you have to watch it and put 1:27:41 it into context of when it was made in order to appreciate it. Having said 1:27:46 that, I can also accept how modern audiences might not like this film. And I wouldn't fault somebody if they're 1:27:53 like, "Oh, yeah, no, I find it offensive. I can't watch it." That's fine. But if other people like it, let them 1:27:59 like it. You know, it's a certainly Yeah. questionable decisions at various points, but it's a teen comedy from the 1:28:07 80s. It is what it is and you just have to appreciate it for what it is. And you 1:28:13 know it was John Hugh's first film and he started a trend in the 80s that makes 1:28:20 the 80s part of what it was and why we enjoy it is thanks to John Hughes. So 1:28:25 you have to appreciate it for that. Both very well said. P.S. I forgot to 1:28:31 see if you guys also laughed at one of my favorite moments in the movie that I don't recall ever tracking initially 1:28:40 when the grandmas are in the kitchen trying to make breakfast. The cigarette ashes, 1:28:47 the one grandma's trying to catch the other grandma's cigarette ash while they're cooking and it's the longest and 1:28:53 it's like in two scenes. Then later when they're like eating at the table, she's got a really long cigarette ash, too. I 1:28:59 was dying at that. Yeah, my grandma had those long ass ash 1:29:04 cigarette ashes and I remember my mom sometimes like getting a little ashtray and kind of flicking it off from my 1:29:10 grandma or they'd cook and even like the ashes would fall into this stuff. They'd be like, "Bitch, 1:29:16 we're cooking it anyway, dude." Indoor smoking was in 1984 was a thing. 1:29:23 And my grandma had I don't know why sometimes she'd smoke, but sometimes she'd just light it up just because 1:29:29 she's just used to having it, but she wouldn't even smoke it. It just turned into this 1:29:34 little thing. That's funny. I'm glad you brought that up because I It's so true. 1:29:40 I almost forgot about it, but I was like, "Oh my god." And I don't remember noticing that in any prior watch. 1:29:46 That was so real back then, though. He must see that's 1984. That was real. Grandma 1:29:52 in his life. Yeah, grandma's had those longass ash cigarettes. It's true. 1:29:57 That's a smoking while cooking or doing any other thing. 1:30:02 Love it. Well, you guys, where can we find you? More of you. Well, you can always find the 80s and9s 1:30:09 uncensored at pretty much any podcast player. You can visit our website, the8sands.com. 1:30:16 And yeah, if you want to find out more of what we're working on, ForeverFish Media is kind of our like 1:30:23 all-encompassing product. So that's fervorfish.com. And and then of course, Pod Chumps. 1:30:29 I'll have this stuff in the show notes, too. So send me that. Yeah. Well, if you guys had fun with us, 1:30:36 hit follow, leave a review, drop me a note. I love hearing from fellow retro nerds. And until next time, be kind. 1:30:43 Rewind. All From the series From The Director's Chair Network Podcasts Related For you Recently uploaded Watched