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The killing floor truth the meat industry has spent decades burying · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  I'm your host, Dr.
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  Sherry Tenpenny.
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  Today is our guest conversation with investigative reporter and winner of the Albert Schweitzer Medal for Outstanding Achievement in Animal Welfare, Gail Eisnitz to talk about her book, Out of Sight and Undercover Investigators Fight for Animal Rights and Her Own Survival.
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  Gail, welcome to the Ten Penny Files.
• 1:17
  I'm so glad to have you here with us today.
• 1:20
  Thank you for joining us.
• 1:21
  Thank you so much, Dr.
• 1:22
  Tenpenny.
• 1:23
  I'm so glad to be here.
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  You know, your first book, uh, this is your second book.
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  And your first book, Slaughterhouse, the Slot The Shocking Story of Greed Neglect and Inhumane Treatment was written in 2006 about the meat industry and has been described as disturbing, graphic, but necessary, but not enough to make people stop eating meat because the story is woven in such a way that it's great detail without being too graphic.
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  Is there anything that has changed since your exposure in 2006?
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  Yeah, well, my new book is written as a story, so it's much more um readable than slaughterhouse was.
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  Uh things have changed dramatically in the meat industry in those years.
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  But um, I think the new the slaughterhouse was very uh detailed with regard to graphic information as to what was going on behind the closed doors of slaughterhouses.
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  A new book is a story of my life, it's a memoir, it's a mystery, it's a thriller, and it keeps people reading um about what happens behind the closed doors of slaughterhouses and factory farms as well.
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  So a lot has changed since my first book in the meat industry.
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  Um I can get into that if you want me to.
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  Tell us about some of the changes that have happened in the last 20 years since your first book, and then how your second book, the one that we're going to talk about more in in more detail, out of sight.
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  How what prompted you to write this follow-up to your first book?
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  Right.
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  Well, the thing that has changed is that thousands and thousands of the nation's small to mid-sized slaughterhouses have been forced out of business by these huge mega slaughterhouses that that have the capacity to kill more than a million animals a year.
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  So you have increased production line speeds in plants now, uh, the speed at which they slaughter the animals, and as a result, you have serious problems.
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  Um slaughterhouses can kill as many as 35,000 hogs a day, for example.
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  They were killing 1,106 hogs per hour per line in each in plants.
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  That's one hog every three seconds.
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  But now the last two administrations have lit are in the process of lifting that um capacity, and now there's going to be no line speed limit.
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  They can kill hogs as fast as they want to.
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  So that's very troubling.
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  Also, with regard to um poultry, uh the evisceration rate, this is pretty shocking.
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  The evisceration rate in um poultry slaughterhouses used to be 140 birds per minute, and now it's 175 birds per minute.
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  That's that's three birds every second, and that's in individual plants.
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  So we kill nine point six billion chickens a year in the United States, and they're exempt from coverage under the Humane Methods of Slaughter Act, which covers other animals.
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  But um, with these fast line speeds, a minute of downtime can spell loss of hundreds or thousands of dollars.
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  So the line doesn't stop for contaminated me.
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  It doesn't stop for uh injured workers, and it certainly doesn't stop for slower uncooperative animals.
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  Oh my goodness.
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  You know, one of the things that you talk about are the terrible working conditions for the humans in the factories and the psychological ramifications of this basically brutal murdering of these animals.
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  Some of them are skinned alive, as you talk about in your book.
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  I mean, what happens with these people with the people who are actually doing these jobs?
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  Yeah, these people were extremely forthcoming with me, signing out, telling me their stories, excellent testimony, signing affidavits about the fact that they had to cut the throats of live thrashing hogs before they were immersed in the scalding tank alive, or how they had to skin the heads of cattle or skin their bodies or dismember them while they were still conscious and kicking.
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  And um, so they were very forthcoming with me because they were sick and tired of doing that.
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  And um, some of the people that I worked with had some serious problems as a result of having to do that, like they were alcoholics or drug users, or they slapped their wives around domestic abuse, or they had served time in jail, things like that.
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  So it really came out sideways because they were so subjected to such violence, and they were so forthcoming.
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  They just it was like the floodgates burst open when I came and asked them what was going on inside these slaughterhouses and in factory farms too.
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  So are these people that that take these jobs?
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  Are they who are the people that that decide that they're they they're gonna take these jobs and why do they stay with it?
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  Well, um, when I first started, it was not necessarily undocumented workers, but uh, because I started a long time ago looking into this, but today a large number of them are foreigners and and undocumented workers.
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  Plants know this, the plants know that they're undocumented.
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  And um, they take the jobs because they they desperately need the money to send back home to their families in foreign countries.
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  It seems as though this should be a Senate hearing, you know, about the brutality to these animals and the brutality to the people who are actually living there.
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  Right, right.
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  There should be.
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  I mean, there have been hearings about the brutality to families whose children have died as a result of eating contaminated meat, but I don't think there have been hearings about inhumane slaughter or inhumane working conditions.
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  Have you been able to um uh to get this information to the secretaries of agriculture, like the current, like Brooke Rollins or uh previous ones?
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  Because you've been doing this for a really long time.
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  Yeah, I was able to get it to previous ones.
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  I haven't been able to get it to Secretary Rollins yet, but uh previous ones uh said they had read my book, my first book, and they were going to do something about it, but of course nothing was ever done.
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  Um, in my very first case, the Secretary of Agriculture was engaged in a big cover-up saying that the plant where the whistleblower said that the animals were having their heads skinned while they were fully conscious.
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  Secretary of Agriculture was required as part of litigation that we that we um engaged in to force the government to give the whistleblower his job back.
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  The Secretary of Agriculture wrote a report, conducting an investigation and signed off on a report saying that the plant was a wonderful glowing, perfect operation, and then the plant suddenly went out of business.
• 8:57
  Oh wow.
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  Well, how did you decide to get into investigating this in the beginning?
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  And then what led you to to write the follow-up sequel book on out of out of sight and undercover investigators fight for animal rights and your own survival.
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  How did you get in this?
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  So let me rephrase that.
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  How did you get in this to begin with?
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  And then what prompted you to write the second book?
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  Well, I was an investigator for the largest animal protection organization in the country for starters.
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  And then I received that complaint.
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  It was an anonymous complaint, sort of anonymous.
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  He had put his return address on the envelope, but I was able to figure out who he was.
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  And I'd received this complaint from this USDA whistleblower down in Florida at that big giant slaughterhouse where they were skinning the heads of cattle alive.
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  And once I was able to corroborate his claims and um he lost his job, and then we won him his job back, and the plant mysteriously closed down for good.
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  And then I decided to look across the country to see what else was going on in other slaughterhouses, and the conditions were worse than they were at that first slaughter plant.
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  So that was shocking.
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  As far as my new book goes, um, I I've since gathered a lot of information, a lot of videotape and uh affidavits from workers in factory farms as well.
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  So I wanted to bring readers up to date on what's going on inside factory farms.
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  And um it's not your typical read.
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  It's not just a litany of horrors.
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  That's what I think is so important to get across to people because I do try to get the the horrors out there to the public so that they know what's going on, but um it's a story.
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  It's my life story, and I have a rare visual processing problem.
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  My vision is pixelated, and um, it's like I see the world made up of dots, and at times I felt like I had dyslexia of the world where things just didn't make any sense, like looking in a fun house mirror or something.
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  It's it's been very debilitating, and my efforts to expose animal cruelty on in slaughterhouses and factory farms take place against my efforts to find a diagnosis for this problem because for 60 plus years I thought I was crazy.
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  I didn't know what was wrong with me.
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  Every doctor I saw said there's nothing wrong with you.
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  So um it's the story of that struggle, and it's pretty compelling.
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  People say that um they can't put the book down, that it's a real page turner.
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  Um it's a rare disorder that wasn't identified in the scientific literature until 10 years ago.
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  That's why all the doctors kept telling me I was fine.
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  And um I was diagnosed about three years ago, and the diagnosis is revealed at the book's climax.
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  So anyway, it reads like a detective story, and I got a messenger message the other day from somebody who said they um read it all and read the book all in one night because the life story was so interesting, and I I have a I have a lot of great blurbs, uh, professional blurbs from people like the late great Jane Goodall and Peter Singer and Matthew Scully on the book, but there are a lot of good reader reviews on Amazon, and um one of them stood out to me.
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  I mean, there they all say the same thing that you can't put the book down, which is so gratifying.
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  So happy about that.
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  But one of them said, find this book.
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  This book reads mostly as a thriller, a suspenseful medical mystery woven into the heroic tale of Gail Eisnitz, blah blah blah.
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  She goes on and on.
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  Then she says, warning, you will not be able to set her life story down.
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  So I just say that to get uh viewers aware that it's not just a litany of horrors.
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  So how did you what was your tale that you started to the rabbit hole you started to go down that actually led to an official diagnosis?
• 13:23
  Did you see many ophthalmologists and neuroophthalmologists?
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  Is that kind of your story of how you ended up to finally get a diagnosis and a treatment plan?
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  Yeah, because I was so um disabled, it was hard to tell distances, it was hard to make sense of information, process information.
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  At times I felt like my head was going to explode, and so I went from doctor to doctor to doctor as I traveled the country doing my investigations, like when I was in Minnesota for an investigation, I went to the Mayo Clinic, and when I was in Utah for an investigation, I went to the University of Utah.
• 14:02
  When I was in California for investigation, I went to UCLA.
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  So I went to it's it's um re sort of revealed at the end of the book that I went to more than a hundred doctors trying to find out what was wrong with me.
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  It was really a relief to get a diagnosis.
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  How were you able to write a book when you couldn't see?
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  Well, I'm not as bad as I used to be.
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  Um I guess it was just sheer determination.
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  I had so much information about what goes on that people have a right to know that I just put one foot in front of the other with the help of something bigger than myself, and um just wrote it page by page.
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  What were you hoping um on the second book that you wrote, out of sight and undercover investigators fight for animal rights and her own survival?
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  Um, what prompted you to write your story interwoven with this investigative um information that you were uncovering about animal rights?
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  Well, I just wanted to write a book that would get out to the mainstream.
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  My first book, Slaughterhouse did very well among animal activists and animal lovers, but I wanted to write a book that the general public would be interested in.
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  So it's largely my story and interspersed are the violations that I documented.
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  And I think it accomplishes that because people that are reading it are not necessarily animal lovers, and they're the ones that are saying it's a page turner, so that makes me really happy.
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  Do you have a third book that you're going to be coming out with?
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  No way.
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  Um, in your book, you talk about depopulation.
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  What does that mean?
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  Um depopulation is the term that the agricultural community has coined for the large scale on farm mass killing of animals who due to disease or other unforeseen circumstances such as natural or man-made disasters can't be shipped to slaughter.
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  I'll give you the American Veterinary Medical Association's definition, which the American Veterinary Medical Association, I'm sorry to say, is in bed with the meat industry.
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  So this is their definition.
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  The rapid destruction of a population of animals in response to urgent circumstances with as much consideration given to the welfare of the animals as practicable.
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  That practicable is a loophole of the size that that a truck could drive through as practicable.
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  And so one of the most common forms of depopulation is called ventilation shutdown plus.
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  And it's used largely, it's the primary means of killing the 185 million birds we've killed since avian flu came on the scene in 2022.
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  The way it's accomplished is that producers seal up barn inlets, shut off ventilation system fans, heat the barn to triple digits, and or add in uh additional steam, and it's as cruel as it sounds.
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  The birds just bake to death, and we've done that to the majority of the 185 million poultry ducks, laying hens, uh, broiler chickens, turkeys that have um been killed in the last uh three years, and um we used ventilation shutdown plus to bake to death a million pigs during the COVID outbreak because as I mentioned, the the um slaughterhouses were shuttered because temporarily shuttered because the um the workers became sick, and the results was the pigs might get a little too big, so they had to kill them, and they did it by ventilation shutdown plus.
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  There's another way to kill these animals, which is called water-based foam, which is basically fire fighting foam.
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  It's sprayed into the barns up and over the animals, and they either drown or suffocate.
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  And these are standard agricultural practices used to kill millions and hundreds of millions of animals.
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  Where is PETA in all of this?
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  You know, it's supposed to be the organization to prevent the cruelty to animals.
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  I mean, I think they're doing their thing, they're doing the best they can.
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  They um helped us expose one operation in uh Wisconsin, Minnesota in Iowa, where a um large poultry producer decided to go out of business and left 1.6 million chickens.
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  Just abandon 1.6 million chickens to starve to death.
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  So Peter was instrumental in exposing that.
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  And then we we took it the next step to try to get cruelty charges filed against the company because that's not okay.
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  You can't just abandon 1.6 million birds to starve to death.
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  So we're in the process of uh trying to get cruelty charges filed against that company.
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  What how did we get to be so criminalized with our factory farming and just thinking that these animals don't have a brain, they don't have any feelings, emotions, they don't have anything, but they are just slaughterable in the most cruel of ways.
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  Yeah, I don't know how we got.
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  I don't know how we got here.
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  I just know that some of the practices that are considered standard agricultural practices and are exempt from state law, are just beyond comprehension.
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  I mean, to create to cage millions upon millions of breeding mother pigs in cages so small, they're like four to six hundred pounds, and they're in cages that are two feet wide by seven feet long.
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  And one of the operations or smaller, one of the operations we looked at, the cages were only 19 inches wide.
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  That's only a little more than a foot wide for a 600-pound animal.
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  And that's considered acceptable.
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  That's the way to contain breeding sows that spend their whole lives in these cages, and they go crazy.
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  They engage in stereotypic behaviors like head bobbing and air chewing and bar biting and they exhibit morning behavior and they just they go crazy.
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  And then they get sores on their heads and their shoulders and their bodies and their hindquarters and their legs from constant contact with the bars, and they get respiratory illnesses that are so debilitating that they end up dying because they're standing on concrete over their own waste pits with very sensitive noses, and they become very sick.
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  They collapse because they get arthritis in their poor feet, and they're dragged out of their crates and put on piles of um dying and dead pigs, and that's the end of them.
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  They get picked up by the dead truck, which is standard practice.
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  I just don't understand how farmers or ranchers could do this to their animals.
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  And they just are heartless or they have no thoughts.
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  They're just thinking of it as a as a as a pay paid for commodity that they don't give any thought to this as a living creature.
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  Have you talked to any of the ranchers or the farmers?
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  And what is their thinking that they do this to their animals?
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  You know.
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  I think your guess is as good as mine.
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  I don't know how they can think this is okay.
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  I don't know how they can sleep at night.
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  I mean, there are so many practices that are beyond belief in our investigations, and we have videotape documenting most of this.
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  It's just terrible.
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  I mean, piglets that don't make weight.
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  This is American Veterinary Association approved.
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  Because as I said, the ABMA is in bed with the meat industry, but thumping or packing, the industry acronym for pound against concrete, take the piglets by their hind legs, whirl them over the shoulders and smash them head first to the concrete floor.
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  That's that's and they don't always die, and they have pails and pails, buckets, and buckets filled with these pigs that are dead or dying.
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  It's terrible.
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  Piglets end up in the freezing cold waste pit and get washed out to the manure lagoons.
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  I mean, it's just unbelievable.
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  This things I I could tell you.
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  I don't want to turn people off because that's why I wrote my book as a memoir.
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  So that it's not it's not a litany of horrors, but some of this information is included in the book.
• 24:38
  But it is a litany of horrors, and it's like something that people need to know.
• 24:43
  Um, even though they may because once you know what you know, you can't unknow it, and you can't take action and take your book and try to do something to make changes unless they even know these horrible things are going on.
• 24:59
  So, Gail, I'm gonna ask you to just hold your thought right there for just a second.
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  We are talking today with Gail Eisnitz to talk about her book, Out of Sight, an undercover investigators fight for animal rights and her own survival.
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  And in case you missed the first part of our show today, let me tell you a bit more about our special guest, Gail uh Gail Eisnitz.
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  Gail's investigative work has been showcased in many mainstream media news shows, dozens of newspapers and magazines, and more than 1,600 radio and podcast interviews and more.
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  In her current book, Gail Eisnitz successfully fights to document and expose scandalous animal abuse in the U.S.
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  meat industry while facing her own rare visible visual processing disorder.
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  And she that she's been grappling with since childhood and finally found a diagnosis that only became available 10 years ago.
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  Gail, thank you so much for being with us today and welcome back to the show.
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  Why are farmers reimbursed our tax dollars for animals that die because they have no protection from harsh weather?
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  Yeah, that's a good question.
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  So I was watching the news one night, and I saw that 40,000 cows, uh, dairy cows and their calves had suffocated in the snow in New Mexico and Western Texas.
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  And I wondered to myself, uh, how can that be sustainable?
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  And so I looked into it and I found out about the livestock indemnity program, which is like an insurance program that the farmers don't pay any premium for.
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  They just get reimbursed 75% of market value for each animal that dies due to inclement weather, whether or not they provide any protections from the elements.
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  So it's not only a disincentive uh for them to provide appropriate care for the animals, but it's an enormous waste of taxpayer dollars.
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  We've spent over half a billion dollars since 2008, paying for mil hundreds of millions of dead livestock and poultry.
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  And it just seems like uh we have a very simple ask that uh producers develop and implement disaster preparedness plans before they're ever reimbursed a dime of taxpayer dollars uh by the federal government.
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  And we got that introduced in Congress and we're working to get it reintroduced right now.
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  Um, last session, and now this session we're trying to get it reintroduced, which it looks like it's going to be very shortly, but it's a huge waste of taxpayer dollars, and it's uh a ridiculous scheme because it's like these producers don't provide appropriate shade and shelter for their animals, and yet they get reimbursed for the dead animals.
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  Wow.
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  Why did you decide to write this as a memoir?
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  Um, basically so that the average person would want to read it.
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  So that it wouldn't be just animal activists reading it.
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  I wanted mainstream America to want to read it because the story is the story is pretty compelling.
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  So that's why I wrote it as a memoir.
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  Give people a little cliff notes about about your about how that works, because um, I know you want people to read all the way through to the end of the book, and you don't want to give away the punchline, but give people a little bit of the story line that compelling them to get into your book and read it.
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  As you've said before, many people say that they sit down and read it cover to cover because it's so compelling.
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  Well, well, give us a little uh give us a little cliffhanger.
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  Okay, um that's a hard one.
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  We start out with my childhood and something I watched on PBS that made me want to save animals, and then I pounded the pavement for many years to try to get a job in animal protection.
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  I eventually was successful in doing so.
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  But uh, here's a cliffhanger.
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  My my boss at the largest animal protection organization in the country uh wouldn't let me expose my slaughterhouse findings.
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  And I will give you a little tidbit from the book.
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  He is now serving life, a life sentence in prison.
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  So that's a good tidbit.
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  But I of course I switched employers before he ended up in prison.
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  And I've been with Humane Farming Association for decades now.
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  Where I'm I've been given the means and the support to do all the work that I want to do, which is so wonderful.
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  Well, that's really a bit of good news, considering all the dismal things that are going on.
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  Do you have any other bits of good news about about closing down uh factory farms and slaughterhouses and putting other people in jail?
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  And I really encourage you to um do something to get to these ranchers.
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  I'm I'm just perplexed at how people could be so heartless in raising these animals.
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  And I'll say that because I get my beef from a local rancher.
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  And I think that everybody now is more about buy local, know what's happening from cradle to grave to the animals that you're eating, about antibiotics and medications and vaccines and you know what that really means, what it really means to be half grass grass-fed beef.
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  And I know that my rancher is interesting because when you look him up on the internet, when you look up its mana farms, I'll give him a plug, manna, M-A-N-N-A, mana farms in um eastern Ohio.
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  When you read about his website, he said we were organic before organic was a thing.
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  And he talks about, you know, when he takes the animals to slaughter, he always sends them two at a time.
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  He's very careful about who the butchers are that he sends them to, that they humanely sacrifice the animals.
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  He said, I've known them since the minute they were born.
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  They're part of me.
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  In fact, on the days that I send them, I can't even look them in the eye.
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  And so he loves these animals and takes care of them, and you can taste it in the beef.
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  I can't understand how other farmers can be so heartless with the things they do to thousands, even millions of their animals.
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  Actually, billions.
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  I'll just give you a uh figure that um 55 years ago we slaughtered 10 billion animals a year in the world.
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  And today we slaughtered 10 billion animals a year in the United States.
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  That's because we're killing so many poultry.
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  And I could tell you horror stories about poultry, and it's so awful.
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  But I will tell you, I'm I'm glad that you asked about successes because I would really like to talk about some of our successes.
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  Um humane farming association's national veal boycott because people know that most people know that veal are raised in tiny little crates and can never turn around.
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  And the boycott was um extreme has been extremely successful.
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  We ran ads in national newspapers and magazines and everything.
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  And veal production is now down 89%.
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  So that's like really a huge success.
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  Um, since we started the boycott years ago, it's down 89%.
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  Um, the Washington Post uh reported my findings from my first book.
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  Um that was on the front page of the Washington Post and um Congress was up in arms, and they decided to fund the Humane Methods of Slaughter Act for the first time ever.
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  It had been on the books for 43 years and had had.
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  Zero zero funding.
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  So that was a um that was a great success that we got the Humane Methods of Slaughter Act funded for enforcement, despite the fact that today only less than three percent of the federal meat inspection budget goes toward enforcing the Humane Methods of Slaughter Act.
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  So that's really bad.
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  Um we shut down what was going to be the third largest hog factory in the world.
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  It was going to be producing a million pigs a year.
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  And um and we also uh were were successful in getting a wonderful HBO documentary on uh TV that aired 19 times in one month, and then it continued to air for years about a hog factory where this old sows that had been living in the gestation crates for their entire lives and could no longer walk, were kicked and hot shotted out the barn door and off a four-foot ledge onto a pile of dying sows, and then they had a chain attached around their neck, and the other end of the chain was attached to the tines of a front end loader and the front end loader was then lifted, and the hogs struggled for five minutes until they suffocated under their own weight, and we got all that on videotape and HBO, unlike most networks who are captured by the meat industry.
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  HBO did an incredible documentary called Death on a Factory Farm, and um that like I said, that aired many many times, and that was a big success.
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  And then the last thing to mention is that Humane Farming Association has stopped all the egregious crimes that we've documented, and we've shut down a number of of um big factory farms that we've investigated.
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  So those are all big successes, and they're all described in the book.
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  Those are huge successes and a good place to start that we need to capitalize on and keep that going.
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  Spend the spend some more time talking about the Humane Farming Association.
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  So this is something that people that are listening to this, people that I have read your book can get involved in and get behind because I didn't even know that this existed, and this is a very uplifting organization that's really trying to do something about the egregious um terrible things that you found.
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  So tell us more about the Humane Farming Association.
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  Sure.
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  I'm so glad you asked.
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  Like we do things like anti-cruelty investigations, like I've described, which we have tons and tons of video tape documenting these atrocities.
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  We do national media campaigns like the National Beal Boycott.
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  We are engaged in various types of legislation.
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  We're we're we've been around for a long time.
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  So we were responsible for the first congressional and state hearings on animal um legislation, and we're very active on litigation.
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  For example, that case I was telling you about in Wisconsin, the uh Minnesota and Iowa were trying to get cruelty charges filed against pure prairie poultry for abandoning those 1.6 million uh chickens.
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  We also operate a 7,000 acre farm animal refuge, which is the largest farm animal sanctuary in the country, and it's wonderful.
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  It's like a paradise for animals who have been abused, animals that have been seized as a result of cruelty cases.
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  So we have over a thousand animals up there, everything from emus to cows to goats to sheep to chickens to burrows, everything.
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  So, what is the name of that sanctuary again, and where is it?
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  It's called Suana S U W A N N A Ranch, and it's in Northern California, it's in a little town called Elk Creek.
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  It's beautiful, and it's such a wonderful place.
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  Tell us a little bit more about what the sanctuary is like, because that's really uplifting.
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  Yeah, it is really uplifting.
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  It's it's it's a wonderful thing.
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  It's as I said, it's the largest one in the country, and we take in animals that were seized as a result of cruelty cases.
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  So when emus were being clubbed to death and shot and things like that, we intervened and took in 600 emus.
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  Uh we take in animals from all sorts of cruelty cases, animals that were brutalized, and we generally do it through um animal control or police departments, but it's it's so beautiful.
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  It's in mountainous area of um Northern California with a creek running through it, and it's just it's just a wonderful place.
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  It's like a paradise for those poor animals who have suffered so it's too bad that you couldn't have captured those 400 ostriches from Canada before they slaughtered them.
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  Oh, you're telling me that was so tragic.
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  Those animals were 35 years old from what I heard that they probably had natural immunity from avian influenza.
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  That was yeah, they did, and they were doing experiments showing that the natural immunity antibodies from these ostriches could help people with long haul COVID, could help people prevent them from getting COVID, and for no reason they slaughtered 400 of these birds.
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  And I I'll never forget like some of the videos that they had.
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  These birds, they just with their big brown eyes and their long eyelashes just looking like what's happening, what's happening to me?
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  And they just shot them.
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  They just went in and shot them in front of all the other birds that were like, what's going on?
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  I mean, all of these animal cruelty things in large scale are things that people just don't really know about.
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  So your investigative reporting and what you can bring forward to this.
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  Um, I think that we mentioned a little bit, but if you know any more information about getting this information to Secretary Brooke Rollins, um, they are looking at funding huge amounts of small factory farms or small farms, not factory farms, small farms, because we're losing like 50,000 small farms a year, and that they are trying to restore from a national security, a food food security, and which is a national security issue to get these small family farms back up and going.
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  Um, if you haven't had an opportunity to reach out to her lately, now maybe the opportune time to do that.
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  Right.
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  You know, one of the big problems is, and I I agree with you, I should reach out to her and get her a copy of my new book at the very least.
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  Um one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal laws governing what goes on inside factory farms, inside farms, period.
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  There are state laws, but that there are many exemptions like for standard agricultural practices, and um the result is, and there's nobody in the farms to enforce these state laws anyway.
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  There are ag gag laws trying to prevent people from enforcing state laws, but um I just think it's to change the subject, but I'll just change the subject real briefly.
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  I just think it bears mentioning that a large number of animals that are subjected to so much cruelty are um are poultry because we slaughter so many birds, and I just think it's important to mention that they're genetically selected for massive appetites and big breasts now, and the result is some of them can't even stand up.
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  Their legs are splayed out under them, they fall over on their backs, they can't get to their feed.
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  It's just the most heartbreaking thing.
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  A lot of them have heart attacks too because their bodies can't support them.
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  I mean, I think this is correct that a 6.5 pound broiler at seven weeks of age, at which that's the age at which they're slaughtered, is equivalent to a human baby gaining 600 pounds in two months.
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  Oh, it's just so unnatural.
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  It's just so bad.
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  So I just sort of changed the subject there, but that's okay.
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  That's because it's important.
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  This is your time to get this information out.
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  What would you recommend to people who purchase meat and shopping in supermarkets?
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  What is the the best way to choose humane meat?
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  Well, unfortunately, I don't have any good suggestions.
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  I just say by local, if you can consider reducing your meat consumption and your eggs, poultry, and milk consumption because investigate where they're coming from because that's really the only way to do it.
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  Everything is from factory farms nowadays.
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  I mean dairy operations we investigated had 40,000 cows on them on one operation.
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  Um
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  I just don't know what to say in answer to that question, except for to reduce your consumption of animal products.
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  And maybe the key is not to buy meat from a grocery store, but to find to buy meat.
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  If you're going to, you know, raise your own chickens, raise, you know, get your own eggs, know your local ranchers, know your local local chicken farmers to know how that they are, that they're humanely raised and humanely slaughtered.
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  Because there is a way.
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  There are that's the thing that's so disturbing about one of the many things that's so disturbing about this, because there are different ways to do it.
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  They don't have to be this horrifying uh death of animals and horrible things for the people that are working there.
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  And I can't get my head around, I can't wrap my head around a rancher's head of what they're thinking of being able to raise things like that because there are humane ways to be able to slaughter mammals and have eat meat.
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  In your book, did you recommend any particular ranches or any ways that they can humanely slaughter animals so that they um so that we don't have to eat the factory farm foods?
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  I didn't really, Dr.
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  Tenpenny.
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  I just focused on the findings of my investigations, and I was just trying to document what I had uncovered.
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  So I leave it up to people to figure out what they want to do.
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  Well, since your book um is a memoir, your book out of sight in undercover investigators fight for animal rights and your own survival.
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  After having been to more like more than a hundred physicians and looking for an answer your entire life, how did that feel and what did that mean to you when you finally were able to get a diagnosis?
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  Oh, it's such a great question.
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  Nobody ever asked me that question.
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  That's a wonderful question.
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  Um I felt so validated.
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  Um when the doctor at UCLA and Neuro, he's a neurologist, but I saw ophthalmologists, neurologists, endocrinologists, allergists.
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  I saw everybody I could think of.
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  Um he said it's crit he has an Australian accent.
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  And when he said it in his Australian accent, it was just like it's crystal clear that you have, and he named the disorder, which I don't want to name because that will give away the book.
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  But um it was it was really wonderful.
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  I mean, I as I describe in the in the um book.
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  I I survived breast cancer at age 35 because I was so stressed out that I said I was going to get it, and then six months later I had it.
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  Um, but that was like a piece of cake compared to this visual processing disorder.
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  Chemo and radiation were nothing compared to this visual processing disorder.
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  So it was it was really a slog to try to continue documenting violations of state and federal laws and and crimes against animals while I couldn't see straight, but I managed to do it, and I'm here to tell everybody what's going on and it was quite a relief to find my um diagnosis.
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  Is there a treatment for what you what you've been diagnosed with?
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  Unfortunately, there isn't.
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  And it's so new, there's not there's some research going on now, and there are a lot of people.
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  There's a Facebook page and a support group dedicated to it, and the people on Facebook, they're all it's so sad, they're struggling so much.
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  There is no treatment, but my confusion has um gone down tremendously.
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  I'm not seeing the world as if I have dyslexia of the world the way I used to, fingers crossed, or pray to something bigger than me.
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  Um, but I still have the pixelated vision.
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  I still have tremendous glare and floaters.
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  And um, so that can be hard.
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  Well, in the last two minutes that we have together here, Gail, tell us that the number one takeaway that you want people to know from your book out of sight.
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  Well, I want them to uh to realize how much we've increased our consumption in the world of animal products.
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  It's so dramatic.
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  82 billion animals are slaughtered every year in the world.
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  Um I want them to know that the book is um mystery, a thriller, suspenseful memoir, so that they'll read it.
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  I want them to know that they have a right to know this information.
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  It's very important.
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  They have the right to know this information that's being kept from them by agribusiness and the media.
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  And um, I encourage them to visit my website, which is Gailicence.com, and Humane Farming Association's website, which is HFA.org.
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  And I really suggest that they share my book because I think it's really important for the consumers to know what they're buying into.
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  That's very important.
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  And I'm glad you said that about the humane farming association, which will be in the notes, which is hfa.org.
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  So I want to thank everybody who's joined us here today for this very important discussion.
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  Um, you need to know what's going on and you need to share this and excuse me, you need to share this information and move this on.
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  Help us to get in contact with uh Secretary Rollins and uh to stop this factory farming brutality of animals.
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  So, with that, I want to close out with one of my favorite verses from the Bible.
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  I close all of my podcasts with, whether they are live or pre-recorded, which is Romans 12:12.
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  Rejoice in hope, be patient in trouble and be persistent in prayer.
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  Remember to lean into God and trust him for everything.
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