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Credlin | 30 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kreenlin live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the show. Great to have your company.
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Speaker 2: As always is what's coming out tonight on Kredlin and
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Speaker 2: New Zealand scraps its twenty thirty emissions targets the Victorian
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Speaker 2: Farmers Federation in uproar about Chris Bowen's renewables rollout are
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Speaker 2: the world's coming off the Left's green energy dream. Overnight
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Speaker 2: in London, the High Court has upheld a ban on
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Speaker 2: puberty blockers for children, and yet here in Australia we
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Speaker 2: learn that more and more children are being prescribed these
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Speaker 2: life changing drugs.
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Speaker 3: I'll speak to a very.
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Speaker 2: Brave doctor, Julian Spencer, who's calling this out very soon.
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Speaker 2: Blast the US Democrats are segregating their campaign workers by
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Speaker 2: gender and race, seventy years on from Martin Luther King
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Speaker 2: imploring us not to judge each other by the color
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Speaker 2: of our skin. I'll have more on this update, more too,
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Speaker 2: from inside the Trunk campaign as he fights to stay
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Speaker 2: ahead in the polls. And you know it's bad when,
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Speaker 2: just days after announcing a reshuffle, the Prime Minister's forced
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Speaker 2: to defend Tony Burke's record on border security. I'll catch
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Speaker 2: up with Tony Avid shortly for his assessment, given he's
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Speaker 2: a bloke who ended up having to clean up Burke's mess.
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Speaker 4: Tony Burke is someone who has been successful in everything
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Speaker 4: he has done and undertaken. He already has hit the
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Speaker 4: ground running. He's there in Indonesia.
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Speaker 3: Oh give me a break.
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Speaker 2: Hardly day into his new job as Immigration Minister, there's
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Speaker 2: already a controversy around Tony Burke's record in the portfolio.
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Speaker 2: The last time he served as Immigration Minister in the
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Speaker 2: doomed final days of the Rudd government. Now Burke might
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Speaker 2: wish it was otherwise, but his record is a bloke
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Speaker 2: in charge of our borders was appalling. In just eighty
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Speaker 2: da das of the job, Burke presided over the arrival
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Speaker 2: of eighty three illegal boats with over six and a
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Speaker 2: half thousand would be illegal migrants on them. Today, the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister had the gall to try and spin away
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Speaker 2: that tally.
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Speaker 4: The only people who are a cheer squad for people
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Speaker 4: smugglers are some of the Coalition members who consistently try
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Speaker 4: to talk Australia down.
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Speaker 3: The figure is.
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Speaker 4: Zero since I came to government.
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Speaker 5: Zero.
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Speaker 2: He is shameless I mean, this is a prime minister
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Speaker 2: who's never believed in border protection, never really believed in it,
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Speaker 2: and the way he's gutted the Home Affairs portfolio is
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Speaker 2: just the latest evidence we have that the hard left
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Speaker 2: student radical still there in Anthony Alberanezi lives on.
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Speaker 4: I couldn't ask someone else to do something that I
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Speaker 4: couldn't see myself doing. If people were in a boat,
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Speaker 4: including families and children, I myself couldn't turn that around.
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Speaker 4: I would want to make sure that they were safe
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Speaker 4: and secure. That was a position that I came to.
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Speaker 2: Now, Please Australia, don't get conned here. If the omen
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Speaker 2: Easy government wants to be taken seriously on border protection,
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Speaker 2: it's got to stop cutting back on all the measures
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Speaker 2: that are needed to make it work. Revelations today that
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Speaker 2: surveillance flights to detect illegal boat arrivals or they've slumped
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Speaker 2: by twenty two percent since that.
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Speaker 3: Bloke came to offers as well.
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Speaker 2: Maritime patrol days are reportedly down some twelve percent since
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Speaker 2: the election. There's been nineteen votes, of which at least
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Speaker 2: three have made it to Australia. You saw what the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister himself has said they're on border protection. And
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Speaker 2: that's Labour's problem across the board. Many of its activists,
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Speaker 2: a lot of its MPs, they don't believe a country
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Speaker 2: like Australia has the moral right to say no to
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Speaker 2: anyone who wants a better life, even when the courts
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Speaker 2: find these people are not refugees, and they certainly don't
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Speaker 2: think we've got a moral right to send them back
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Speaker 2: to their home country. So far, the only government anywhere
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Speaker 2: in the Western world that successfully stopped waves of illegal
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Speaker 2: migration by small boat are the Coalition governments of John
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Speaker 2: Howard and Tony Abbott, and that's largely due to the
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Speaker 2: fact that both leaders were rock solid in their defense
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Speaker 2: of the three pillars that made that policy work Temporary
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Speaker 2: protection visa so TPVs, offshort attention and turning boats around.
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Speaker 2: And you just turned from Melbourne easy on his unwillingness
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Speaker 2: to turn boats around and labor well, they've already scrapped TPVs.
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Speaker 2: And as for offshort attention is therein name only now.
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Speaker 2: Adding the fact that Home Affairs as it was under
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton is no more. The Federal police have been
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Speaker 2: moved out now this week AZ two and that says
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Speaker 2: to me Labour's left faction have got what they've always wanted,
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Speaker 2: the complete dismantling of the coalition's border protection regime. But
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Speaker 2: it's not just this area where the government's cunning is evident.
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Speaker 2: The more I reflect on the PM's reshuffle over the weekend,
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Speaker 2: the more cynical the whole thing is. Consider where the
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Speaker 2: government is obviously most vulnerable. It's the release of those
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Speaker 2: foreign criminals from immigration to tension and the issue that
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Speaker 2: Channel nine exposed the organized crime links allegedly infiltrating the CFMU. Now,
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Speaker 2: by moving Andrew Giles and Clara O'Neil out of Home Affairs,
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Speaker 2: parliamentary questions can no longer be asked about their botch record,
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Speaker 2: and by moving Tony Burke out of workplace relations, the
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Speaker 2: same applies. Parliamentary questions under the rules can't be asked
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Speaker 2: of him. He can't be asked, what did you know
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Speaker 2: about the CFMBU? Why did you abolish the Building and
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Speaker 2: Construction Watchdog given it was there to keep the mid line.
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Speaker 2: Remember that under the parliamentary rules, ministers can only be
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Speaker 2: asked about their discreet and immediate ministerial responsibilities, So Burke
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Speaker 2: nothing there will be asked of him, about the CFMBU
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Speaker 2: and Garles and O'Neil. They can no longer be asked
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Speaker 2: about all of the foreign criminals that they let loose
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Speaker 2: into the community. Now, the current ministers, if they're asked
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Speaker 2: about earlier actions of the Albanezy government, well you can
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Speaker 2: hear it now, they'll just readily respond that this all
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Speaker 2: happened under my predecessor, and I'm not going to comment
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Speaker 2: on the actions of previous ministers. There's another angle, though,
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Speaker 2: to ward all of this. This is the electoral and
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Speaker 2: political angle. Tony Burke represents a seat where fifty five
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Speaker 2: percent of voters were born overseas. As the minister responsible
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Speaker 2: for immigration, he's now perfectly placed to do favors for
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Speaker 2: his constituents who would inevitably want to bring relatives to Australia.
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Speaker 2: Now well already know that Burke is very sensitive to
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Speaker 2: local pressure. In a seat where twenty five percent of
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Speaker 2: the locals of Muslim, he's been successfully pushing the government
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Speaker 2: to be even more handed. He'll call it even handed.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that it is at all. But this
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Speaker 2: is a democratic Israel fighting a just war, and on
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Speaker 2: the other side, Hamas terrorists who are let's not forget
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Speaker 2: the elected governor of Gaza. There's also been demands from
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Speaker 2: the pro Palaestineian lobby for Australia to grant more visas
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Speaker 2: to people out of Gaza, despite serious concerns about security checks.
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Speaker 1: We know, Peter, as of February that two thousand, over
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Speaker 1: two thousand visas had been granted on an average basis
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Speaker 1: of twenty four hours consideration by the Department, in some
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Speaker 1: instances just a couple of hours for a visa application.
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Speaker 6: We know from Senate estimates that some of the security
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Speaker 6: checks were taking less than twenty four hours. Now you
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Speaker 6: cannot do proper security checks in that time. And once
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Speaker 6: again Minister Jiles has been completely absent in answering questions
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Speaker 6: about how far these security checks work.
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Speaker 2: If immigrations to avoid being a series of blowouts and
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Speaker 2: cave ins to the ethnic lobby. As a former Hawk
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Speaker 2: government labor minister once called it, that was Peter Walsh,
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Speaker 2: Well Tony Burk's not the bloke you're put in charge.
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Speaker 2: What's also obvious after a reshovel on which the duds
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Speaker 2: were not shown the door, but all still there, is
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Speaker 2: that the PM's fronting a protection racket for weak ministers
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Speaker 2: and for those like Burke, is putting him in charge
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Speaker 2: of Australia's visa system at a time when some in
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Speaker 2: the community want the door opened to all and Sundry
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Speaker 2: all right, we'll go to Camber now for the headlines.
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Speaker 2: Sky New's political reporter cam Reddin good evening.
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Speaker 7: The new Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke has spent the
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Speaker 7: day in Bali in talks on how to stamp out
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Speaker 7: the people smuggling trade, but the Coalition has taken aim.
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Speaker 7: At his eighty day stint as Immigration Minister under Kevin Rudd,
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Speaker 7: what we saw.
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Speaker 1: Were huge numbers of boat arrivals.
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Speaker 7: Returning to the role more than a decade later, Minister
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Speaker 7: Burke has defended his record was a ninety percent fall
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Speaker 7: in the number of people putting their lives at risk
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Speaker 7: a seat. Nineteen votes have arrived since the election, including
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Speaker 7: three in the month of June, while one contractor providing
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Speaker 7: surveillance operations to spot illegal boats has had its number
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Speaker 7: of flights declined by twenty two percent over the past
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Speaker 7: two years.
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Speaker 1: The people smugglers will seek to test a new immigration minister.
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Speaker 7: The man replacing Tony Burke in workplace relations Murray Wat
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Speaker 7: has set his sights on cleaning up the CFMEU. He'll
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Speaker 7: have help from Victoria's Premier, who has referred allegations of
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Speaker 7: the union's criminal links to the state's corruption watchdog.
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Speaker 8: It's not acceptable for these sorts of people to be
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Speaker 8: on website.
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Speaker 9: We've already invited the Premier to agree to our terms
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Speaker 9: of reference for.
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Speaker 3: A raw commission.
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Speaker 2: It's not too late to agree to those.
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Speaker 7: REX remains in a trading halt amidst growing uncertainty about
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Speaker 7: the airline's future.
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Speaker 4: We are concerned about REX. It's an important regional airline.
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Speaker 7: The Prime Minister had expressed concern before about Rex's move
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Speaker 7: into metropolitan markets, including offering services from Sydney to Melbourne,
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Speaker 7: but he remains open to further assistance that would keep
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Speaker 7: the regional carrier going.
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Speaker 4: We will examine any proposals.
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Speaker 7: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 3: All right, plan the game across as there.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in Scarney's political editor Andrew Clenell, who joins
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Speaker 2: us back from leave. We'll make the pe and clearly
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Speaker 2: waited until you were back on deck to announce his reshuffle.
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Speaker 2: There was a lot more to it than we were
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Speaker 2: initially led to believe. Today, of course, he was trying
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Speaker 2: to rewrite history with Tony Burk's immigration record from the
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Speaker 2: rud era. I mean I had a front row seat
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Speaker 2: to all of this last time around. It was shocking.
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Speaker 2: What about the reshuffle in broad terms designed to turn
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Speaker 2: around the poles for labor?
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Speaker 3: How will it go? Do you think?
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Speaker 10: Well?
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Speaker 5: I think it's designed to stem the bleeding on the
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Speaker 5: migration issue. I don't think it's there to turn around
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Speaker 5: the poles. I think the CPI figured tomorrow and whether
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Speaker 5: there'll be a rate height next week. We'll have a
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Speaker 5: lot more to do with that in the cost of
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Speaker 5: living generally. But there's no doubt that this had been
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Speaker 5: a massive distraction, a concern, for instance, in Western Australia,
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Speaker 5: where that poor woman was attacked the handling of the
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Speaker 5: migration detainees issue. At least they'll get an experienced communicator
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Speaker 5: in Burke. I mean, Clara O'Neil just wasn't throwing a punch,
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Speaker 5: and nor was Andrew Giles. They weren't able to defend
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Speaker 5: themselves or the government properly. They weren't able to articulate
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Speaker 5: what they were trying to do to get on top
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Speaker 5: of the problem. Andrew Giles did one interview with my
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Speaker 5: colleague Karen Gilbert and scored no goal. So there were
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Speaker 5: drones monitoring those detainees and it was wrong. So they
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Speaker 5: just didn't have the experience for this sort of job.
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Speaker 5: One thing you could say about Burke is he does
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Speaker 5: and I understand what you're saying about the record of
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Speaker 5: labor with illegal immigration last time. It was shocking. But
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Speaker 5: at least when he came in, he and rub were
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Speaker 5: about starting to bring back the Pacific solution, which then
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Speaker 5: morphed into Operations Sovereign Borders under Toney Abott and stopped
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Speaker 5: the flow entirely. But they were starting finally giving up
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Speaker 5: and heading in that direction. So he knows a bit
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Speaker 5: about the portfolio. He knows more about being articulate in
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Speaker 5: the parliament going on the counter attack. I guess they
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Speaker 5: had a massive communication problem apart from the policy problem.
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Speaker 5: This might address some of that, but you know, in
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Speaker 5: a lot of ways it's minimalist. It's the Tony Burke
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Speaker 5: reshuffle that's the big change here. The top six or
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Speaker 5: seven remain in their positions really, and the one that
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Speaker 5: I question the decision, I particularly question around that is
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Speaker 5: Chris Bowen because I know the opposition wants him there.
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Speaker 5: They think that that helps their nuclear argument that he's
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Speaker 5: an unpopular figure pushing renewables. People remember his credit. If
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Speaker 5: you don't comments should I say it at the twenty
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Speaker 5: nineteen election. If you don't like frankin credits, don't vote
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Speaker 5: for us. And he's not viewed as a popular person.
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Speaker 5: So that's one direction change of PM could have taken
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Speaker 5: this reshuffle. He didn't. He believed bomb was on top
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Speaker 5: of the technical aspects of the portfolio. Let's see how
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Speaker 5: that one plays out.
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Speaker 3: I agree with you.
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Speaker 2: He is an absolute gift to the coalition and I
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Speaker 2: think they want him nailed to the seat as long
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Speaker 2: as they can have him, certainly before the next lection,
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Speaker 2: and that hate to see a change. The point you
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Speaker 2: make there about rates is shrewd. I think it'll be
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Speaker 2: the biggest indication both the CPI tomorrow and the Reserve
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Speaker 2: Bank meeting next Tuesday, the biggest indication about where the
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Speaker 2: economy is headed. Feeding into this consideration of an early election.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister is already trying to have a covering line.
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Speaker 2: I suspect we'll call that if there is a movement
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Speaker 2: in the CPI to say that it's nothing to do
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Speaker 2: with us.
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Speaker 3: It's what we've inherited.
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Speaker 2: We've actually made it less likely to spike inflation.
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Speaker 3: It's not our budgets, not us. We're trying hard. Have
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Speaker 3: a listen, we're.
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Speaker 4: Dealing with cost of living pressures. We want astraying to
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Speaker 4: earn more and keep more of what they earn, all
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Speaker 4: of our cost of living measures importantly designed in a
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Speaker 4: way that put that downward pressure on inflation.
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Speaker 2: We can work on about a whole lot of issues
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Speaker 2: that are on the table in terms of the election.
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Speaker 2: The one issue that I see as a boat changer,
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Speaker 2: you know, take you out of that column and put
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Speaker 2: you into that column, is what have they got on
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Speaker 2: the table for my family in terms of cost of living?
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Speaker 3: That's a big issue.
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Speaker 2: What's the mood of the government around their handling of
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Speaker 2: cost of living?
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Speaker 3: Andrew, how's labor feeling.
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Speaker 5: It will depend on these figures tomorrow and next week.
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Speaker 5: I mean it could change entirely. If they get another
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Speaker 5: rate hike, they'll plummet in confidence. If they can get
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Speaker 5: away with it without one, that'll be a different ballgame.
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Speaker 5: They'll feel they're in a good position, So it is
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Speaker 5: kind of critical politically, and I think I think the
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Speaker 5: magic numbers three or four tomorrow. If it's four annually
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Speaker 5: after we get the quarterly figure the Reserve makes it
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Speaker 5: easy for the Reserve Bank they have to hike, right,
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Speaker 5: But what if it's three point six again, what if
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Speaker 5: it's three point eight, What if it's three point nine,
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Speaker 5: That makes it a bit tougher. So that's really what's
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Speaker 5: going to happen, and then the Reserve Bank might hold fire,
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Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. So I know that tag of
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Speaker 5: bans two to three, but if it's three point seven
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Speaker 5: three point eight and the economy's heading this direction, they
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Speaker 5: might hold off. It does feel though they might have
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Speaker 5: probably should have gone in February. You know, they went
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Speaker 5: in November with the first hike for a long time.
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Speaker 5: November December it came down, but then it just it
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Speaker 5: just plateaued ever since then. And that's not really what
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Speaker 5: you want to see. So look, I think the government's
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Speaker 5: obviously concerned about minority government. I don't think they're concerned
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Speaker 5: about Peter Dutton winning out right just yet. If there's
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Speaker 5: a rate hike, that might change. And as you say,
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Speaker 5: that plays into the early election calculations. I reckon early
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Speaker 5: elections only a ten or twenty percent chance. If there's
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Speaker 5: a rate hike, it's no chance.
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Speaker 2: What about you talk about the polls. We've had about
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Speaker 2: ten months of trend where Labor's in minority territory. They'll
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Speaker 2: still hold office, you presume with the Greens and a
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Speaker 2: deal the Teals in a deal, but the last two
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Speaker 2: Poles have got the coalitionship in front for a win.
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Speaker 2: That's a move that will be I think internally watched
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Speaker 2: very carefully.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's worrying signs for Labor. Obviously, we've seen times
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Speaker 5: where there's been pole after pole, for example before twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 5: where the opposition were in front and they lost. Even
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Speaker 5: in a close contest like that, it's hard for an
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Speaker 5: incumbent to be thrown out. But the difference between this
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Speaker 5: government after a first term and the avoc government and
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Speaker 5: the Howard government and the rud government is they don't
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Speaker 5: have much of a margin to speak of in terms
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Speaker 5: of their outright majority, at least the coalition. They need
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Speaker 5: to win a lot of seats right, so it's difficult
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Speaker 5: for them. But see the government and want to be
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Speaker 5: in the eighties to have any hope of retaining a majority.
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Speaker 5: It's hard to see them winning majority basically in the
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Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty seats.
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Speaker 3: Again, where do they win a seat?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, for as you know where maybe Melbourne, maybe another
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Speaker 5: one in Melbourne. That's all I can think of. Really.
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Speaker 5: They talk about Tasmania, but I'm not so sure about that,
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Speaker 5: And they talk about Queensland, but I'm not sure about
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Speaker 5: that at all.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think the only pickups in Queensland will
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Speaker 2: be potentially the left out of Brisbane, and it'll be
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Speaker 2: Green seats in Brisbane. I think there could be a
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Speaker 2: change for Wheels. It'll go for Labor the Greens in
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Speaker 2: Melbourne and I can't see how they're going to hold
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Speaker 2: all those seats they picked up with the anti Scott
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Speaker 2: Morris and vote out of Western Australia. I think they've
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Speaker 2: hardened in West Australia against Labor.
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Speaker 5: And Andrew Constance in Gilmore is the other one in
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Speaker 5: the South Coast in New South Wales. So Kevin watched
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Speaker 5: on that. But yeah, wa, you'd expect to probably lose
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Speaker 5: a couple. That'd be the best case scenario for Labor.
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Speaker 5: Don't be hoping for.
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Speaker 3: Four, just just quickly.
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Speaker 2: I want to grab your view on these redistributions because
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Speaker 2: they are not yet concluded. We've got to obviously the
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Speaker 2: seed of Higgins being abolished in Victoria, that's on the
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Speaker 2: cards as draft. In New South Wales, the seat of
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Speaker 2: North Sydney. Kylie a tink, she's a teal. She wants
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Speaker 2: to hang on to that seat. She's written desperately to
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Speaker 2: the AEC. Where do you think they're going to go here?
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Speaker 5: Oh, I'll just tell her to get stuffed. I mean,
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Speaker 5: excuse the language better, but yeah, she's got no hope,
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Speaker 5: Kylie tige, see you later unless she wants to run
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Speaker 5: for Bradfield and there's already an independent candidate there, so
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Speaker 5: I mean she's got to go through the motions. But yeah,
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Speaker 5: this will go through. And there's no way the PM's
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Speaker 5: calling election in September and late November is the earliest
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Speaker 5: and it's more likely next year. So that means the
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Speaker 5: redistribution goes through. Essentially, if it called it in in
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Speaker 5: around September, I believe that it would stick to the
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Speaker 5: old boundaries. That's not happening and that's right. Redistribution was
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Speaker 5: right bad for labor, It was okay for them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think broadly speaking, labours come out better from
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Speaker 2: the various redistributions and the coalition. And you're right to
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Speaker 2: say under the AEC rules, if the final boundaries are
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Speaker 2: not gazetted but electtions called, it's an election on the
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Speaker 2: old boundaries. Great to have your back, Andrew Clenel. You
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Speaker 2: arrested rare in the game. The PM's master class in
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Speaker 2: spin as he tried to day to defend Tony Burke.
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Speaker 3: Will talk to.
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Speaker 2: Tony Abbot about that and how on earth can labor
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Speaker 2: still honestly believe the CFMU can reform themselves.
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Speaker 3: That's the minister's view.
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Speaker 2: Tony Abbott up next, Welcome back, Still the calm Australia's
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Speaker 2: worrying rise in private prescriptions for puberty blockers involving children,
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Speaker 2: meaning even less checks and balances and what's already a
20:40
Speaker 2: fraught area of medicine. Now, why is this happening when
20:43
Speaker 2: puberty blockers are being banned overseas? But first, right out
20:47
Speaker 2: of the gate, people have questioned the wisdom of promoting
20:50
Speaker 2: Tony Burke to the Home Affairs and Immigration portfolio, given
20:53
Speaker 2: his abject failure the last time he held the job.
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Speaker 3: Under Kevin Rudd. It was also so bad.
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Speaker 2: In fact, there were eighty three illegal boats in just
21:03
Speaker 2: eighty days under his watch, six and a half thousand people.
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Speaker 3: Not to mention the buying.
21:09
Speaker 2: He now finds himself in with labor and appreciate to
21:13
Speaker 2: give more visas to people out of Gaza, a hot
21:16
Speaker 2: button issue in his own Sydney seat of Watson. Joining
21:20
Speaker 2: me is someone well versed in mopping up Burke Smiths
21:23
Speaker 2: when he came to office former Prime Minister Tony Abbott
21:27
Speaker 2: well I called the Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi shameless of
21:33
Speaker 2: the earlier in the show in his defense of Tony Burke,
21:37
Speaker 2: because you can't hide from that record.
21:41
Speaker 11: You're right, Peter, the former government had an abominable record.
21:46
Speaker 11: Under the former government, we had one thousand boats, fifty
21:51
Speaker 11: thousand illegal arrivals by sea and more than a thousand
21:55
Speaker 11: deaths at sea. The Coalition stopped it in very quick time.
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Speaker 11: And let's just hope that not only has the current
22:04
Speaker 11: government learned the right lessons, which are not the lessons
22:08
Speaker 11: of its past, they're the lessons of the coalitions past,
22:12
Speaker 11: but they've also had to have, I hope a change
22:16
Speaker 11: of heart because back then when they were in government before,
22:20
Speaker 11: they didn't really think that Australia had a right to
22:23
Speaker 11: say no illegal arrivals by boat. They thought that we had,
22:27
Speaker 11: in a sense a moral obligation to take everyone who
22:31
Speaker 11: wanted to come, however they came, and that's really at
22:36
Speaker 11: the heart of a successful border protection policy. You have
22:40
Speaker 11: got to understand that your first duty is not to
22:45
Speaker 11: the wretched of the earth. Your first duty is to
22:47
Speaker 11: Australia and its existing citizens, and over time, your duty
22:54
Speaker 11: is to maintain basically the character and the nature of
23:00
Speaker 11: our country. And that I hope is something that senior
23:03
Speaker 11: people in this government except now because when they were
23:06
Speaker 11: in government before they didn't.
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Speaker 2: They've canceled TPVs though the Peebles week on turning boats around.
23:14
Speaker 2: I see this as about Burke having immigration to help
23:18
Speaker 2: him hold his seat in Western Sydney more than it
23:20
Speaker 2: is the government admitting they got it so wrong on
23:24
Speaker 2: detainees with Clara O'Neal and Andrew Giles. But there's no
23:30
Speaker 2: real commitment from Laby here. I mean, they've gutted the
23:33
Speaker 2: Home Affairs Department, they've sacked the former secretary Mike Pizulu.
23:38
Speaker 2: They've only just relatedly been shamed to put Asio back
23:41
Speaker 2: into the National Cabinet and the Security Committee. I mean,
23:45
Speaker 2: can you imagine when you were there as Prime Minister
23:48
Speaker 2: in the NSC if Asio didn't have a seat at
23:51
Speaker 2: the table.
23:53
Speaker 11: You're right, it doesn't make sense to run a National
23:57
Speaker 11: Security Committee without having or you're secure security agencies at
24:01
Speaker 11: the table. But just to go back for a moment, Peter,
24:05
Speaker 11: for Tony Burke to have any credibility as a new
24:09
Speaker 11: immigration minister or a new border protection minister, he's really
24:14
Speaker 11: got to begin with a bit of an apology, frankly,
24:16
Speaker 11: for his previous record, and I think a full account
24:22
Speaker 11: of what he did wrong then and how it's going
24:25
Speaker 11: to be different now, and what he's learned from the
24:29
Speaker 11: successful management of our borders by the intervening coalition government.
24:33
Speaker 11: Without an apology for the poor performance of the former government,
24:38
Speaker 11: given that he was one of the poorest of the
24:40
Speaker 11: poor performers amongst those immigration ministers, it's going to be
24:43
Speaker 11: very hard to take him seriously, and certainly given that
24:47
Speaker 11: he will be challenged by the people smugglers, the people
24:50
Speaker 11: smugglers will want to test the resolve of this new minister.
24:55
Speaker 11: I think he's got to start, as I said, with
24:57
Speaker 11: an apology for the mistakes of his asked and the
25:01
Speaker 11: labor parties passed, and a clear statement of exactly how
25:05
Speaker 11: he is different and exactly what he's learned.
25:08
Speaker 2: I was really just made to hear Murray Wat, the
25:11
Speaker 2: new Industrial Relations Minister, say today. You know it's going
25:15
Speaker 2: to take years for the CFMU to reform itself. Who
25:20
Speaker 2: the hell trusts the CFMU to reform itself. We've seen
25:24
Speaker 2: you know, literally millions of dollars in fines again, so
25:27
Speaker 2: we've seen officials hit with convictions, some even jailed. Do
25:31
Speaker 2: we really believe this union is going to clean up
25:34
Speaker 2: its act?
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Speaker 11: Well, the record of the union in all of its
25:38
Speaker 11: various guises, whether it's the BWIU, the BLEFT for more
25:43
Speaker 11: recently the CFME EU, the record of this union over
25:47
Speaker 11: decades has been of fagory intimidation and at times organized
25:53
Speaker 11: crime links. All that has ever changed this union is
25:59
Speaker 11: a tough cop on the beat. That's what I helped
26:03
Speaker 11: to put in place as Workplace Relations Minister. That's what
26:07
Speaker 11: my government wanted to put in place after twenty thirteen.
26:10
Speaker 11: That's what the Turnbull government did eventually put back in
26:13
Speaker 11: place and almost the first act of the current government
26:17
Speaker 11: was to abolish that tough cop on the beat.
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Speaker 5: This was a tough cop on the beat.
26:26
Speaker 11: That prosecuted literally dozens of CFMEU officials, imposed something like
26:31
Speaker 11: sixteen million dollars worth of fines on this rogue union.
26:36
Speaker 11: And it's very hard to believe that a government which
26:39
Speaker 11: has run a protection racket for a crooked union is
26:43
Speaker 11: suddenly going to change just because Channel nine has, to
26:48
Speaker 11: its credit, broadcast a dramatic footage sting footage in a
26:53
Speaker 11: way that previous role commissions and police prosecutions and what
26:57
Speaker 11: have you, ABCC prosecutions couldn't just quickly.
27:03
Speaker 2: I mean, you know what it's like to fight from
27:06
Speaker 2: opposition against a first term government. You almost got there
27:08
Speaker 2: against Julia Gillard lost the negotiation with those two rogues.
27:13
Speaker 2: But things are getting tight for the government. Peter Dutton
27:17
Speaker 2: now in recent polls, is ahead.
27:19
Speaker 3: Can he do it? Can he win the next election?
27:21
Speaker 11: Look, not only can Peter Dutton win the next election,
27:25
Speaker 11: but I think that if he does win the next election,
27:28
Speaker 11: he has every potential to be Howard Mark too. And frankly,
27:33
Speaker 11: that's what our country needs. It needs a significant period
27:38
Speaker 11: of strong, stable center right government that respects our country
27:44
Speaker 11: and its institutions, is not trying to change the country,
27:48
Speaker 11: but is trying to, as it were, strengthen and reinforce
27:52
Speaker 11: all of the wonderful things that make us such a
27:54
Speaker 11: great country.
27:56
Speaker 2: And to his good fortune, he hasn't got a Malcolm
27:58
Speaker 2: Turnbull in his cabinet.
28:00
Speaker 3: But thank you all.
28:01
Speaker 2: Right after the break, the worrying rise in hormone treatments
28:04
Speaker 2: and puberty blockers being prescribed to young Australians, removing even
28:08
Speaker 2: more checks and balances from already controversial medicine. Plus almost
28:13
Speaker 2: three quarters of us say we don't have any faith
28:17
Speaker 2: in our court system, so what's driving that?
28:20
Speaker 3: After the break?
28:25
Speaker 2: Welcome back, still the calm. Another reality check in the
28:28
Speaker 2: renewables race with the major airlines scrapping their twenty thirty
28:32
Speaker 2: targets is unachievable. But first, more concern tonight not just
28:36
Speaker 2: about the use of hormone treatments and puberty blockers on
28:39
Speaker 2: children in the public health sector, but also the rise
28:43
Speaker 2: in privately prescribed treatments for young Australians identifying with gender dysphoria.
28:48
Speaker 2: In a recent and contentious review of this of the
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Speaker 2: Queensland Children's Gender Service. It was found the forty five
28:55
Speaker 2: percent of the children and adolescents had been prescribed puberty
28:59
Speaker 2: blockers were commenced on them elsewhere. Now elsewhere means they
29:04
Speaker 2: were privately prescribed. What's more, the same report found that
29:09
Speaker 2: on a per capita basis, there's been a more intensive
29:12
Speaker 2: use of puberty blockers in a single Australian state than
29:18
Speaker 2: throughout the whole of England. Where thereabout, of course, on
29:21
Speaker 2: puberty blockers was last night upheld in the High Court.
29:26
Speaker 2: For more on this, let's put in someone who's been
29:28
Speaker 2: brave enough to speak out publicly on criticisms about gender
29:32
Speaker 2: medicine in Australia. She's an expert senior child psychiatrist, doctor
29:37
Speaker 2: Gillian Spencer. Well, doctor Spencer, thank you again for your time.
29:40
Speaker 2: I think this is such a critically important area and
29:44
Speaker 2: my audience and people who watch everything you have to
29:47
Speaker 2: say online are hungry for information. We'll get into criticism
29:51
Speaker 2: about the Queensland Review in a moment, but let's start
29:54
Speaker 2: with the use of private blockers, sorry, of hormones and
29:59
Speaker 2: puberty blockers prescribed via the private health sector.
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Speaker 3: How concerning is this?
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Speaker 8: It is a very concerning revelation. But we have known
30:12
Speaker 8: that this is coming because last year the hardline gender
30:16
Speaker 8: activist clinicians updated their so called Australian Standard guidelines to
30:22
Speaker 8: allow general practitioners GPS to prescribe cross sex hormones to
30:27
Speaker 8: children without those children going into a gender clinic. And
30:30
Speaker 8: at the same time, the Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne
30:34
Speaker 8: did a media campaign where they sent their child and
30:37
Speaker 8: adolescent pso chitees from the gender clinic out into the
30:39
Speaker 8: media and what she said was that she hoped that
30:42
Speaker 8: children would be able to get gender hormones from their GP,
30:46
Speaker 8: much like children get vaccinations from their GP. But what
30:50
Speaker 8: this Queensland Evaluation report has revealed is that there's a
30:54
Speaker 8: group of dodgy doctors that are actually going beyond the
30:58
Speaker 8: recommendations that activists recommend guidelines, and they are not only
31:03
Speaker 8: prescribing cross sex hormones, but they're prescribing puberty blockers from
31:07
Speaker 8: their private rooms. And in terms of regulation, there is none,
31:12
Speaker 8: there's no oversight and unless we get government intervention, all
31:16
Speaker 8: we can do is try and get accurate health information
31:20
Speaker 8: into the hands of parents. And what parents need to
31:23
Speaker 8: know is that there's no evidence that puberty blockers or
31:26
Speaker 8: cross sex hormones improve psychosocial outcomes in children with gender dysphoria.
31:31
Speaker 8: They don't reduce the risk of death by suicide. They
31:34
Speaker 8: lock in the gender dysphoria and make it such that
31:36
Speaker 8: the child doesn't recover naturally from their genderdiceforia through the
31:40
Speaker 8: course of adolescence, and they have very serious long term
31:43
Speaker 8: health implications like infertility, lack of sexual function, physical health problems,
31:48
Speaker 8: and the risk of regret.
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Speaker 3: I just think it's extraordinary.
31:53
Speaker 2: I mean, anytime you go to adoptor now Jillian, they
31:55
Speaker 2: send you away with fifteen bits of paper to go
31:58
Speaker 2: off to specialists and this test or have that scan.
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Speaker 2: So the idea that a non expert GP can prescribe
32:07
Speaker 2: something as life changing is this. I think that's a worry.
32:11
Speaker 2: I think that's a revelation to a lot of people
32:13
Speaker 2: watching tonight. We know there's concern in the health sector
32:16
Speaker 2: because big insurers MDA National is a good example, or
32:21
Speaker 2: they're dumping cover for these practices. I think they're worried,
32:25
Speaker 2: and we've seen this in the United States that there
32:27
Speaker 2: could be a comeback in terms of legal actions from people.
32:31
Speaker 3: Should they de transition, yes, Well, what.
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Speaker 8: Practitioners in private understand and believe about gender dysphoria is
32:43
Speaker 8: dependent on their sources of information, and practitioners working in
32:47
Speaker 8: private usually don't have access to the excuse me, university
32:52
Speaker 8: research databases that allow you to go and look at
32:55
Speaker 8: the original research studies, and they also don't have time
32:59
Speaker 8: to evaluate all the treatment recommendations, so instead they rely
33:04
Speaker 8: on knowledge summaries that are produced by their local hospital
33:08
Speaker 8: network or health network, or position statements of colleges or
33:12
Speaker 8: treatment guidelines. And what we know is that in this area,
33:16
Speaker 8: all of those sources of information are heavily influenced by
33:19
Speaker 8: activists and the research in this area. It's a very
33:23
Speaker 8: sad state of affairs. What we have is researchers that
33:27
Speaker 8: lie about the findings of their studies, and those lies
33:31
Speaker 8: are repeated in other articles. So what you end up
33:34
Speaker 8: with is lie upon lie upon lie, and in terms
33:38
Speaker 8: of the research for gender medicine for children, it's actually
33:42
Speaker 8: just a refuse heap.
33:47
Speaker 2: Let's just stay with the quality of research. Because we
33:49
Speaker 2: saw the big Cast review out of the UK, hugely significant,
33:54
Speaker 2: very comprehensive. It's led to a ban on puberty blockers
33:57
Speaker 2: for children in that country upheld of course, last night
34:01
Speaker 2: in the High Court. We've had a review in Australia,
34:03
Speaker 2: we've had one in Queensland. This is in relation to
34:08
Speaker 2: gender policy in that state. I know you've been stood
34:10
Speaker 2: down from the hospital up there because you've advocated care.
34:15
Speaker 3: You want to fed income review.
34:18
Speaker 2: You don't think the review by the Queensland government has
34:21
Speaker 2: been impartial?
34:22
Speaker 3: What can you tell us? Yeah, it wasn't impartial.
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Speaker 8: Four out of the seven panel members were non advocates
34:32
Speaker 8: of gender affirming care, which means that what's happened is
34:35
Speaker 8: that they've failed in their major task, their most important task,
34:40
Speaker 8: which was to ensure that the model of care for
34:43
Speaker 8: the Gender clinic going forward was safe and evidence based,
34:46
Speaker 8: and they haven't done that. They've recommended that the pediatric
34:51
Speaker 8: gender services in Queensland continue with an affirming approach. But
34:55
Speaker 8: when you look at the twenty five recommendations made in
34:58
Speaker 8: the evaluation report, you can see that they're trying to
35:02
Speaker 8: fix the clinic which is in crisis and providing a
35:05
Speaker 8: very poor standard of care for patients. So the recommendations
35:09
Speaker 8: are targeted at problems like but the clinic is professionally
35:14
Speaker 8: isolated from every other medical service. It's not being overseen
35:19
Speaker 8: by very important quality and safety networks like Clinical Excellence Queensland.
35:24
Speaker 8: It's not doing adequate it's not giving information, communication with
35:29
Speaker 8: referres is inadequate, it's not doing good handovers when it
35:32
Speaker 8: discharges patients. There's a lack of clinical leadership in the
35:36
Speaker 8: clinic and they're not doing any monitoring of long term
35:38
Speaker 8: health outcomes for their patients. So it's just concern after
35:42
Speaker 8: concern after concern, and it paints a very frightening picture.
35:47
Speaker 8: And the other thing the evaluation report does is talk
35:50
Speaker 8: about how it's actually a nightmare to work at the
35:53
Speaker 8: gender clinic. So it talks about staff being very stressed,
35:57
Speaker 8: burnt out, feeling constantly under scruit me and feeling like
36:01
Speaker 8: they're subject to reputational risk from working in the clinic.
36:05
Speaker 8: And so that's led to some bizarre recommendations. For example,
36:09
Speaker 8: they want to hire a consultant to figure out how
36:11
Speaker 8: to boost morale in the clinic, and they want to
36:15
Speaker 8: do a public education campaign where they try to convince
36:19
Speaker 8: Queenslanders that they shouldn't be concerned about these harmful gender
36:23
Speaker 8: interventions being provided to children.
36:27
Speaker 3: Well, we know around the world they are.
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Speaker 2: We are indebted to you, doctor Spencer for shining a
36:32
Speaker 2: light continually at risk of your own career on this issue.
36:35
Speaker 2: Thank you for your time tonight. Right, let's bring on
36:38
Speaker 2: my panel a lot of other issues I want to
36:40
Speaker 2: get you across. Shadow Environment Minister Jonathan Danniam joins me.
36:43
Speaker 2: Now in one Nation's Chief of Staff James Ashby or
36:46
Speaker 2: Senator James candidate James Great, heavy time. Let's start with
36:50
Speaker 2: that polling out today shock surveys saying Australians have a
36:54
Speaker 2: real lack of confidence in our court system. This is
36:57
Speaker 2: the result of political monitor I found only thirty percent
36:59
Speaker 2: of us trust the courts, meaning to thirds of us don't.
37:02
Speaker 2: By contrast, almost seventy percent of us say we trust
37:07
Speaker 2: the police. I tell you what, James, I think this
37:10
Speaker 2: has a lot to do with violence and youth crime,
37:13
Speaker 2: your place up there in Queensland and Victoria to hotspots,
37:17
Speaker 2: and a lot of it's got to do with lax
37:19
Speaker 2: bail laws.
37:20
Speaker 3: I suspect.
37:23
Speaker 12: Yeah, and well done to the police. They've been doing
37:25
Speaker 12: a terrific job. They will not advocate for a slap
37:28
Speaker 12: on the risk. They're second tired of arresting and re
37:31
Speaker 12: arresting and re arresting again. A lot of these youth
37:34
Speaker 12: offenders here. I think it's time we modernize our court system.
37:37
Speaker 12: It's been a long time since we have, Like in America,
37:41
Speaker 12: they allow cameras into the courtroom. Here, we've got more
37:45
Speaker 12: chance of media and the public being restricted access from
37:49
Speaker 12: a courtroom hearing, and I think this has got to
37:52
Speaker 12: change because there needs to be accountability. We wouldn't even
37:55
Speaker 12: know the judges who are making these decisions. They live
37:59
Speaker 12: in the style, they don't understand what the public's expectation is.
38:03
Speaker 12: And I think if we were to modernize it, I
38:05
Speaker 12: think a lot of people out there publicly would probably
38:08
Speaker 12: get a better grasp of how these judges are coming
38:11
Speaker 12: to these decisions. And if they don't agree with them,
38:13
Speaker 12: they'd probably let those judges know if they saw them
38:16
Speaker 12: on the streets. So politicians are accountable, they're on camera
38:20
Speaker 12: when they make their decisions. I think it's time the
38:23
Speaker 12: courts are opened as well.
38:27
Speaker 2: Let's go to the big decision today yn New Zealand.
38:29
Speaker 2: They're going to scrap their twenty thirty emissions reduction target
38:33
Speaker 2: because they say it's unachievable. That's the first big airline
38:37
Speaker 2: to move this way. The statement from CEO Greg Forum
38:40
Speaker 2: said the airline would be pulling out of the science
38:42
Speaker 2: based targets immediately. This John O says to me, the
38:47
Speaker 2: Emperor's got no clothes. We're seeing this across the board
38:50
Speaker 2: in relation to these mickey mouse targets. What else do
38:53
Speaker 2: you think we might see? Who else do you think
38:54
Speaker 2: we might see? Follow suit.
38:57
Speaker 9: Or shot horror? A commercial entered being forced to make
39:01
Speaker 9: decisions around what it does in accordance with what is
39:05
Speaker 9: good business practice. I mean, I think good on Air
39:09
Speaker 9: New Zealand for coming clean on this. They tried to
39:12
Speaker 9: run the race that was being foisted upon them by
39:15
Speaker 9: governments and international organizations, but they realized it doesn't make
39:19
Speaker 9: good business sense. So the customers of Air New Zealand
39:22
Speaker 9: are the ones who are going to benefit here, and
39:24
Speaker 9: this airline their shareholders are going to do well out
39:27
Speaker 9: of this decision. And I reckon you'll find a whole
39:30
Speaker 9: range of businesses, be they airlines or any other type
39:33
Speaker 9: of commercial endity, follow suit and good on entities, governments,
39:38
Speaker 9: businesses whoever it might be seeking to do the best
39:41
Speaker 9: they can for the environment. But when it is a
39:44
Speaker 9: simple virtue signal with no science behind it, then I'm
39:48
Speaker 9: pleased companies are coming to their senses and not being
39:52
Speaker 9: held to ransom by activist shareholders. So good on Air
39:56
Speaker 9: New Zealand.
39:58
Speaker 2: You know, I've to meet any way who pays that
40:00
Speaker 2: extra loading on their ticket at quantas to offset their emissions.
40:05
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone does that. The Victorian Farmers Federation, meanwhile,
40:10
Speaker 2: they're slamming the state government James. They're saying that the
40:13
Speaker 2: government's turning a blind eye to how the role out
40:17
Speaker 2: of renewables is impacting people in a regional community. The
40:20
Speaker 2: president in Victoria of the VFF, Emma Jemano, says they
40:24
Speaker 2: are being forced to carry the burden of the target
40:27
Speaker 2: and they know that urban Australia signs up to this stuff,
40:30
Speaker 2: but regional Australia wears the cost.
40:33
Speaker 3: I think she's spot on. Yeah.
40:37
Speaker 12: Sadly, we've seen more farmers and broad acre croppers having
40:42
Speaker 12: their farms littered or at least approached by wind and
40:46
Speaker 12: solar installations. And you know, there's a deliberate approach by
40:50
Speaker 12: some of these organizations to actually go after some of
40:52
Speaker 12: the older farmers. I've seen it here and I've spoken
40:55
Speaker 12: to some of those people who work for these organizations.
40:58
Speaker 12: There is a deliberate approach to older farmers who don't
41:01
Speaker 12: have kids who can take on the farm, and they're
41:03
Speaker 12: signing up to a lot of these ventures. It's tough
41:06
Speaker 12: to get insurance here in Australia. You've got to go
41:09
Speaker 12: offshore to get insurance for solar and wind installations. And
41:13
Speaker 12: yet one of the biggest problems I've got with some
41:15
Speaker 12: of these farming action groups, they have also supported the
41:20
Speaker 12: net zero policies that both the Liberal Party and the
41:23
Speaker 12: Labor Party have implemented, so they're also partly to blame
41:26
Speaker 12: for this. I just wish we would get out of
41:28
Speaker 12: this net zero target approach. It's time to abandon it.
41:32
Speaker 12: Like the airlines and Peter, I'm the only pilot on
41:35
Speaker 12: this panel so far, I can tell you as a pilot,
41:39
Speaker 12: I don't give us stuff about net zero. I care
41:42
Speaker 12: about safety and that should be the number one feature
41:45
Speaker 12: with those airlines, not net zero. Seriously, go jump. That's
41:50
Speaker 12: why in New Zealand have got out of it. So yeah,
41:53
Speaker 12: these are some of the problems we're facing. It's unachievable
41:55
Speaker 12: these net zero targets, whether it's agriculture, mining, aviation, you
42:00
Speaker 12: name it, they're never going to meet the targets.
42:04
Speaker 2: Well, I think you are the only part. I certainly
42:06
Speaker 2: like to land, but I don't know how to fly.
42:09
Speaker 2: Let's go to this order that's turned up Wyndham City Council.
42:12
Speaker 2: So this is a local council in Victoria. They passed
42:15
Speaker 2: a pro Palestine motion last year. But an audit it's
42:19
Speaker 2: found that out of the two and a half thousand
42:22
Speaker 2: signatures on the petition that pushed for this motion, only
42:25
Speaker 2: fifty three of them were valid. Now this is extraordinary
42:31
Speaker 2: to me, Senator Dunham, and I think it's a cancer
42:35
Speaker 2: right across our local councils. What can we do federally
42:40
Speaker 2: or at a state government level to either get rid
42:43
Speaker 2: of these local councils or at least force them to
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Speaker 2: focus on what is their only constitutional responsibilities and nothing more.
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Speaker 9: Well, just on those petitions. They are an insidious thing.
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Speaker 9: They used to be a vehicle forgiving voice to the unrepresented,
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Speaker 9: the masses out there that had a concern that they
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Speaker 9: thought wasn't being listened to. But they've been hijacked by
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Speaker 9: the left and by local government which is now dominated
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Speaker 9: by the left, and they become a vehicle for stacking
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Speaker 9: up these campaigns that frankly have no place, particularly like
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Speaker 9: these issues around the Middle East, in local government. So honestly,
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Speaker 9: I think rate payers need to pay closer attention to
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Speaker 9: what their local government is doing. I think that when
43:35
Speaker 9: we're handing out taxpayers dollars to local government entities, we
43:39
Speaker 9: should actually be making sure they're using it in a
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Speaker 9: way that benefits the ratepayer, the local resident about roads
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Speaker 9: rates and rubbish, making sure that councils are sticking to
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Speaker 9: their knitting. The fact that we've got in my local
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Speaker 9: council here, I'm just over the road from the Hobart
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Speaker 9: City Council and they've got a range of flags that
43:55
Speaker 9: fly every day of the week that have nothing to
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Speaker 9: do with a better life here in Hobart. So I
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Speaker 9: think we should do anything. It'll be attached some strings
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Speaker 9: to the funding we give to local government to make
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Speaker 9: sure they skip too. They're knitting and what they should
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Speaker 9: be doing on behalf of their rope payers, not international politics,
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Speaker 9: which is in no way in their domain.
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Speaker 2: All right, you're on the shadow cabinet, Please take that
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Speaker 2: back to the boss, get it put down in writing
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Speaker 2: as policy, and I look forward to becoming law after
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Speaker 2: the election. All right, Thank you, gentlemen, catch up with
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Speaker 2: you next week after break. The Democrats are segregating Americans.
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Speaker 2: I'll show you exactly what's happening there. Classes Trump pulling
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Speaker 2: out of his promise to debate Kamala Harris. I'll show
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Speaker 2: you that interview in a moment.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Let's bringing my panel on our international panel A lot
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Speaker 2: around scans contributed Koshagada. Former Labor MP Michael Danby will
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Speaker 2: welcome to you both. I want to start, obviously with
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Speaker 2: the biggest story globally, and that's still the US presidential
45:01
Speaker 2: and election, and how I guess Kamala Harris is finding
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Speaker 2: a feat and how the Trump campaigns finding their feet
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Speaker 2: with a new candidate. I am gobsmacked. You know that
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Speaker 2: the party who fought so hard against segregation, the Democrats, Kosher,
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Speaker 2: are looking to segregate their voting base. I mean, there's
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Speaker 2: a grouping white women for Kamala. They had a zoom
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Speaker 2: call the other day, broke all records, raised eleven million
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Speaker 2: dollars that there's now a white dudes for Harris and
45:32
Speaker 2: one for the blokes as well. I mean, are we
45:34
Speaker 2: going to have Indians for Kamala Harris? And we're going
45:37
Speaker 2: to have you know, African Americans for Kamala Harris, I
45:40
Speaker 2: thought we'd moved away from this stuff.
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Speaker 10: I think we might. So the Democrat Party over the
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Speaker 10: past thirty forty years, even and it's accelerated, has become
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Speaker 10: more and more of this coalition of the fringes really,
45:51
Speaker 10: and there's this patch work of different groups and intersectionality
45:54
Speaker 10: and all that that they talk about. And it is
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Speaker 10: a country divided with a very fragmented electorate. So that
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Speaker 10: is I think you know what they're doing. And Obama
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Speaker 10: was probably the best person who was really able to
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Speaker 10: stitch together this coalition of the fringes to great effect
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Speaker 10: and success. Nobody's been able to quite replicate that. Not
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Speaker 10: Hillary will see if she can do it right now,
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Speaker 10: but that is their strategy of appealing to disenfranchised aggrieved.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it meant if Donald Trump had a call for
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Speaker 2: white blokes, they would have been outraged.
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Speaker 10: Headline will to wall coverage, you know forever. But that
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Speaker 10: the other side displays to that, and it's so much
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Speaker 10: about identity that's kind of become the crux of what
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Speaker 10: they stand for. And I think that's why you see
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Speaker 10: these fractions. Everything is defined by identity, and that's kind
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Speaker 10: of how they're going to position her, and that's what
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Speaker 10: the race has been reset. And she's basically repositioning herself
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Speaker 10: as sort of the queen of identity, and if you're
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Speaker 10: aggrieved in any one of those groups, you'll be attracted
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Speaker 10: to her. I think that's the bet that they're making.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump has got his vapey obviously, Kamala Harris has
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Speaker 2: yet to announce her pick his vaypay. And I'm a
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Speaker 2: huge fan of the backstory of JD event, but you know,
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Speaker 2: the childless cat lady stuff, it's not going to cause
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Speaker 2: me to vote for the Democrats. If I was over there,
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Speaker 2: I think it was wrong and I think it's just
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Speaker 2: a distraction he doesn't need.
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Speaker 3: Can he move on from this? How do you move
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Speaker 3: on from this?
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Speaker 13: Well, he is from a poor family. He's a success story,
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Speaker 13: marine tertiary educated, brilliant author of Hillbilly Elogy, which everyone
47:18
Speaker 13: should read. But it may have been a mistake. What
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Speaker 13: if this keeps going. He's a bit wooden in his
47:25
Speaker 13: media performance, as I've seen to and the Donald Trump
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Speaker 13: of the Apprentice reasserts himself and he turns to JD
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Speaker 13: Vans and says you're fired.
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Speaker 3: There is talk of that.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, and what about her money? Kamala Harris
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Speaker 2: has raised a lot of money.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, it's the backlog between the Biden poor performance and
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Speaker 13: the resignation. There was no money given during that period,
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Speaker 13: so they're catching up. But good on, good on, Kamala.
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Speaker 13: The Democrats traditionally raise more money than the Republicans, and
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Speaker 13: a rich, educated white people vote Democrat these days, and
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Speaker 13: poor white and Hispanic people vote for the Republicans.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, in the Hollywood types who tell them to vote Democrat.
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Speaker 2: That's the audience to sit to the cinema and pays
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Speaker 2: the money but votes Republican. And I can't understand that either.
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Speaker 2: There was supposed to be two debates, agreed. Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: looks like there's a Fox News interview I'm going to play.
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Speaker 2: It looks like he might be sort of sitting on
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Speaker 2: the fence about going toe to toe with Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 12: If you're going to have a debate, you're going to
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Speaker 12: do it before I think, before the votes are cast.
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Speaker 3: I think it's very important that you do that.
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Speaker 5: So the answer is yes, But I can also make
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Speaker 5: a case for.
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Speaker 11: Not doing it also, I don't like rewarding fake news.
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Speaker 5: I don't like rewarding the.
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Speaker 11: People that have been They're going to make tens of
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Speaker 11: millions of dollars with this debate.
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Speaker 10: He's going to have the debate, isn't he who You
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Speaker 10: could make the argument that Trump doesn't actually that he
48:55
Speaker 10: doesn't want to do and he will write his own
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Speaker 10: rule book, but he does, and he will probably. I
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Speaker 10: think you know what he's seeing is this is a
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Speaker 10: follow on of the debate agreement that had been made
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Speaker 10: with the Biden team anytime, anywhere, any conditions, and they're
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Speaker 10: literally baiting and switching because they subbed him out and
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Speaker 10: subbed her in, and he's making the point that there
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Speaker 10: should be different conditions. The timing should be different. Early
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Speaker 10: election voting is starting in many states in short order,
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Speaker 10: and it should be before that. So I think they'll
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Speaker 10: hash out those details and he probably will debate her
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Speaker 10: because it's one of the few opportunities he'll have to
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Speaker 10: get an unfiltered message out about her, because the media
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Speaker 10: right now was really reframing her and creating sort of
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Speaker 10: synthetic support for her, and that's one chance to reset that,
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Speaker 10: and he will do it.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly what's happening with Biden and to the Supreme Court.
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Speaker 10: He is trying to shift the overturn window. I think
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Speaker 10: this has been a long standing topic that Democrats have
49:43
Speaker 10: been pushing about packing the courts or having term limits
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Speaker 10: and things like that. It would take a constitutional amendment,
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Speaker 10: very difficult to do, a very unpopular position. But I
49:51
Speaker 10: think he's putting it out there just to shift the
49:53
Speaker 10: conversation in that direction. And even if you move the
49:56
Speaker 10: needle one inch in there, it's setting up for possibly
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Speaker 10: something like that down the road. But it's not popular
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Speaker 10: with the American people.
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Speaker 2: I know there's lots of other things going on around
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Speaker 2: the world. I know the risk of hespala is real,
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Speaker 2: but we're out of time, but we getting consumed by
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Speaker 2: the US at the moment. Thank you, Michael, Thank you Cash.
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Speaker 2: All Right, that's it for me, see you tomorrow night
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Speaker 2: at six up next and your bolt