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JRE MMA Show _170 with Michael _Venom_ Page(M4A_128K) · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast
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  Speaker 1: by night, all day. We're up. All right. MVP in
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  Speaker 1: the house. The most enigmatic, difficult dude to solve in
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  Speaker 1: all of MMA. That's you, man. Bro, you know what?
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  Speaker 2: I want to start simply because.
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  Speaker 1: What you have done for.
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  Speaker 2: Me specifically, I get a lot of criticisms A lot
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  Speaker 2: of hate, and especially obviously jumping when I first got
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  Speaker 2: into the MMA world. New to me, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: just like, okay, let me just be myself, do my thing.
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  Speaker 2: First fight goes well, land this crazy kick, go viral,
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  Speaker 2: and I get nothing but hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.
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  Speaker 2: But then having prominent figures like yourself that constantly have
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  Speaker 2: been championing my style, championing Jumping in the points element
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  Speaker 2: of things.
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  Speaker 1: I just appreciate you for that. Oh, my pleasure, brother.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you. It's almost like we called for you
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  Speaker 1: because there was a time in the early days of MMA,
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  Speaker 1: like in the early 2000s, where I was like, this
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  Speaker 1: is what's missing. What's missing is point fighters. And people
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  Speaker 1: would like mock me. No, no, no, no, no. Like
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  Speaker 1: I've sparred with these dudes. You can't hit them. It's
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  Speaker 1: a different thing. I'm like, they have a very specific skill,
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  Speaker 1: that skill of closing distance and being elusive. It's not
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  Speaker 1: like any other sport. It's almost like fencing and MMA
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  Speaker 1: and martial arts combined.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I always tell people that like most of the
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  Speaker 2: combat sports in terms of kickboxing, the full contact side
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  Speaker 2: of things is more to do with the, there's a
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  Speaker 2: fixation on power, knocking people out. Whereas our element is
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  Speaker 2: just the speed element.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Getting in and getting out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Not getting in touch.
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  Speaker 2: Like you said, the tag, tag kind of feel, fencing,
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  Speaker 2: similar kind of footwork. And yeah, just not many people
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  Speaker 2: had decided to cross over to any kind of full
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  Speaker 2: contact world, really.
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  Speaker 1: And you had the likes of Wonderboy Thompson. Raymond Daniels.
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  Speaker 1: Raymond Daniels. You and Raymond were the most prominent ones
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  Speaker 1: in Him and Glory. Yeah. Of course, you. Yeah. Yeah. Well,
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  Speaker 1: he did a little bit of MMA. A little bit
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  Speaker 1: of MMA, yeah. But you're more prominent in MMA. But
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  Speaker 1: the point was that this was an element that when
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  Speaker 1: I remember when I was doing Taekwondo and I would
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  Speaker 1: fight in tournaments, I would occasionally fight in point fighting tournaments.
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  Speaker 1: I'd fight a guy like Mafia Holloway or one of
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  Speaker 1: these guys that were really good. I'm like, this is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: This is such a crazy skill. Very different. And when
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  Speaker 1: I saw MMA where a lot of guys were just
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  Speaker 1: real flat footed and waiting, I'm like, there's a giant
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  Speaker 1: opening here. And then you came along. And you really
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  Speaker 1: were the proof of concept. And I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is it. You get a world champion at that
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  Speaker 1: who figures all the other stuff out because essentially striking
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  Speaker 1: is striking. You can learn... throwing leg kicks differently. You
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  Speaker 1: can learn different stances and movements. The grappling is the
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  Speaker 1: big hurdle. But once you can solve the takedown defense
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  Speaker 1: and some of the grappling hurdles, and you've actually got
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  Speaker 1: submission victories, then you've got a real problem because every
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  Speaker 1: fight starts standing up. Every fight starts standing up with
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  Speaker 1: a big-ass fucking cage. It's a big-ass cage. And I
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  Speaker 1: see guys like Kevin Holland, he's like, what the fuck
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  Speaker 1: do I do with this guy?
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  Speaker 2: He hated every moment of it.
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  Speaker 1: I could feel it.
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  Speaker 2: But that's just part of my style is that kind
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  Speaker 2: of frustrating people because it's just so unfamiliar. For someone
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  Speaker 2: like yourself, you would kind of be in there, whether
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  Speaker 2: you're successful or not, you'd understand what's happening and you'd
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  Speaker 2: be calm enough still to be like, okay, I need
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  Speaker 2: to know how to figure this out because I've experienced
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  Speaker 2: this before. For someone that's never experienced, and because there's
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  Speaker 2: few of us in the MMA world, who do you
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  Speaker 2: go to to train?
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  Speaker 1: There's very few people that are really good at that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And like I said, Wonderboy Thompson. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He, you know, a friend of mine, obviously me and
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  Speaker 2: him and, you know, us getting on. And he's even
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  Speaker 2: said people have contacted him. Like, oh, yeah, I'm fighting MVP. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I want to train with you. He's like, I want
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  Speaker 2: MVP to win.
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  Speaker 1: I can't help you, bro. Can't do anything. Well, it's
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  Speaker 1: good for the sport. Yeah. It really is because... You know, like,
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  Speaker 1: think about there's certain techniques that just come along, like
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  Speaker 1: the calf kick. And all of a sudden, like, how
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  Speaker 1: is this? People have been kicking legs for so long.
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  Speaker 1: How is this kicking a different spot on the leg
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  Speaker 1: kind of revolutionary? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We need to see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the introduction of you is going to
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  Speaker 1: make a lot of these guys that are, like, high-level
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  Speaker 1: point guys go, hmm, there's a spot there for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because the open, like, there's always an advantage in the
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  Speaker 1: fact that every round starts standing up. Mm-hmm. As long
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  Speaker 1: as you have takedown defense, every round starts in your realm.
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  Speaker 1: And your realm is different than all the other stand-up realms.
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  Speaker 1: It's totally different. And if a guy is a plotting
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  Speaker 1: guy and he thinks, oh, this is my world, that's
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  Speaker 1: not your world. It's your world against someone who agrees
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  Speaker 1: to fight the way you fight. 100%.
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  Speaker 2: And I always say that because I've come up against
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  Speaker 2: guys and was like, man, he's got a big punch
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  Speaker 2: on him.
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  Speaker 1: And I agree.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I get it. But power only... means
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  Speaker 2: something if you land. And my whole element is not
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  Speaker 2: being touched.
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  Speaker 1: It's also fucking with people's heads. One of the things
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  Speaker 1: you did during the Jarrett Cannoneer fight after you hit him,
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  Speaker 1: you were like, calm down. Calm down. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh no. Because you imagine just getting popped, your eyes
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  Speaker 1: are running, your nose hurts. And this dude standing in
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  Speaker 1: front of you going, calm down, calm down. I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 1: he didn't. Oh, no. It's psychological warfare. But that's the end.
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  Speaker 2: That's obviously, that's kind of like part of my personality
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  Speaker 2: coming out and the entertaining side of me. And a
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  Speaker 2: lot obviously added to the criticism that I would get,
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  Speaker 2: which because of how I would make my opponents feel
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  Speaker 2: in terms of their frustration and then obviously the antics
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  Speaker 2: on top of it, so many people, the main term
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  Speaker 2: that came with Me was like, oh, he's fighting cans.
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  Speaker 2: He's fighting cans. My whole career was like, he's fighting cans.
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  Speaker 2: But I always say to people is I'm just making
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  Speaker 2: it seem a lot less difficult than it actually is.
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  Speaker 2: These guys are super talented fighters. I'm just not fighting
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  Speaker 2: on the same wavelength and timing as them. As you said,
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  Speaker 2: these guys that plod around, they're so used to it.
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  Speaker 2: So when they're fighting other people, it looks very even.
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  Speaker 2: And when they're fighting somebody that they just can't get
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  Speaker 2: their hands on, and they're getting frustrated on.
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  Speaker 1: Top of that.
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  Speaker 2: So it's the mental side, the physical side.
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  Speaker 1: And you have a lot of power, so there's consequences. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's consequences. It's not like you're tippy-tappy, pit-patting them. Every
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  Speaker 1: now and then, like the Cyborg fight was one of
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  Speaker 1: the craziest knockouts in all of MMA history.
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  Speaker 2: You know, one thing I actually wanted to do, actually...
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  Speaker 2: brought some gifts for you, but one of the things
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  Speaker 2: I actually wanted.
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  Speaker 1: To bring for you was... Don't tell me you brought.
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  Speaker 2: A piece of his head.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: He wouldn't let me have that, so I had to
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  Speaker 2: leave it.
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  Speaker 1: I actually wanted to.
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  Speaker 2: We basically had a Pokeball come, a very specific one,
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  Speaker 2: and they messed up on delivery, but I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: get it to you in Vegas.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So when we go over to Vegas, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: making sure.
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  Speaker 2: I get that to you because, again, it's something that
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  Speaker 2: you've spoken about with me, and it's a big part
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  Speaker 2: of my history. In MMA, just that cyborg fight.
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  Speaker 1: That was the most gruesome injury I've ever seen. I've
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  Speaker 1: seen a lot of broken bones. I've never seen someone
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  Speaker 1: with a caved-in head. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The doctors were saying that, what we were hearing back
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  Speaker 2: from them, they said he's only ever seen that in
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  Speaker 2: a car accident, never in.
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  Speaker 1: MMA. That is so crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that
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  Speaker 1: was his last fight. And I know after the fight,
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  Speaker 1: he was like, we're going to fight again. The doctor's like, hey. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because I think he was....
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  Speaker 2: Someone sent me something where he was supposed to fight again.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not sure what happened there, but yeah, he didn't.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy. How could you fight again after that? What
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  Speaker 1: made it?
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  Speaker 2: I felt very bad, obviously, at the time as well.
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  Speaker 2: But then I didn't see him for another two years.
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  Speaker 1: There it is right here. Boom. That was just crazy.
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  Speaker 2: And the sound, the sound of that was. It's only
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  Speaker 2: when I watched it back.
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  Speaker 1: Give me the sound, Jamie. It sounds like a baseball
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  Speaker 1: bat on a pumpkin. You know what I mean? Just whop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was different. The thing is, I didn't know. I
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  Speaker 1: keep telling everybody.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know what happened because, obviously, they're like, you celebrated, like,
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  Speaker 2: threw the Pokeball at him afterwards.
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  Speaker 1: I did not know. You thought it was just a knockout. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this was a knockout.
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  Speaker 2: And obviously, because I'm kicking his legs, I'm assuming maybe
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  Speaker 2: I broke his nose or because I can see he's
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  Speaker 2: not out, but he's in pain. It must be something
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  Speaker 2: like that. It's only the next day that I found out.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it was a bad one. That was a
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  Speaker 2: bad one. Yeah, it was a very bad one. And
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  Speaker 2: the thing is, like I said, I met him, I
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  Speaker 2: want to say like two, two and a half years
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  Speaker 2: later down the line. obviously this clip's just been going
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  Speaker 2: crazy online and so on and so forth.
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  Speaker 1: And I just, I felt awkward. I didn't want to,
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  Speaker 1: but I also.
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  Speaker 2: He had come over for another MMA show, but with
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  Speaker 2: one of his students, but one of his students was
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  Speaker 2: fighting one of my teammates. And at the beginning, my
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  Speaker 2: coaches were like, oh, do you want to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: go on at some point, go and see him and
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  Speaker 2: say hello. I was like, yeah, please. Like, I'd love to,
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  Speaker 2: because that's the last time I saw him. The fight
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  Speaker 2: happens and my teammates, is known for his leg locks
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  Speaker 2: and breaks his student's leg.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm like, fuck sake.
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  Speaker 2: So the officers were like, do you want to go
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  Speaker 2: and see him? I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Try.
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  Speaker 2: I just felt like I needed to.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: And I kind of walk into the room. His guy's
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  Speaker 2: obviously upset for losing. He's like getting sorted out by
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  Speaker 2: the medics and he's sitting there just looks at me and.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, hey. What do you say? Like, I'm lucky.
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  Speaker 2: I was just like, hey, he's like shook my hand.
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  Speaker 2: Like I could just feel the energy wasn't right. It
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  Speaker 2: just wasn't the right time. But I didn't know when
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  Speaker 2: I would get to see him again. And I haven't
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  Speaker 2: again since. So, yeah, I just felt it's just one
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  Speaker 2: of those things. I just felt bad.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But what do you do? There's nothing. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What do you do? What do you do? Guy's got
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  Speaker 1: a broken leg. You broke his head. Just stay the
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  Speaker 1: fuck away from you and your crew. I mean, at
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  Speaker 1: least you're nice about it and friendly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It is what it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's such interest because you've trained with Marius, my coaches,
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  Speaker 2: one of my coaches, Marius.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And obviously he says to say hello.
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  Speaker 1: Thomas and I. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He says he's trained with you guys. I think you
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  Speaker 2: guys trained for about four years with Eddie Bravo as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've known him for 20 years. Yeah. Crazy, crazy. Crazy.
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  Speaker 2: And obviously that's a big part of my history now
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  Speaker 2: with them. them two the brothers uh alexis and marius.
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  Speaker 1: Were you at the gym when when lee when lee
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  Speaker 1: murray was no.
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  Speaker 2: No no i was just after yeah yeah luckily but
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  Speaker 2: interestingly though when i was in at the time that
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  Speaker 2: i he was around uh i was still very like
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  Speaker 2: heavily focused on the points fighting kickboxing so but a
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  Speaker 2: friend of mine was training at shoot and he was
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  Speaker 2: like you need to come and train with these guys
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  Speaker 2: like these guys are serious and But for me, MMA
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  Speaker 2: was just never going to be a thing that I'd
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  Speaker 2: ever see myself in.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: I've always seen it as, I guess like your average
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  Speaker 2: fan back in the day and some fans now, of like, ah,
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  Speaker 2: it's brutal, man.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And again, I'm a points fighter. I don't see myself
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  Speaker 2: being good enough or tough enough to fight these guys.
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  Speaker 1: What changed?
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, I had a successful career in the kickboxing, but
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  Speaker 2: I didn't really go anywhere. It's like you're fighting the
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  Speaker 2: same people. The amount of times me and Raymond have fought,
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  Speaker 2: and we were some of the top two guys. We're
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  Speaker 2: both in the competition.
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  Speaker 1: We both walk in the room. Everyone's like, oh, my God,
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  Speaker 1: are these guys going to fight? We were the guys.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm fighting the same people, and it's just like everything.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone hoping that you're going to lose or your fans
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  Speaker 2: are kind of like supporting you. And then I come
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  Speaker 2: back to reality, come off a plane, I've traveled, I've
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  Speaker 2: fought all. you know, the whole week or whatever, won
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  Speaker 2: a world title and I've come back home and nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I come back home.
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  Speaker 2: To just me being myself, just me being me, which
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  Speaker 2: I'm okay with. But there's no recognition. There was no sponsorship.
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  Speaker 2: I paid to do everything and I loved it. And
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  Speaker 2: if I could choose the route again, I'd still do
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  Speaker 2: it because I absolutely loved it. But there comes a point,
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting older and this comes a point where I
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  Speaker 2: have to, and I'm now starting to, But at the time,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a kid. But now it's getting to the point
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  Speaker 2: where I have to work. And so now it's like,
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  Speaker 2: I can't do this forever. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 2: I know I want to compete for a living. I
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  Speaker 2: just didn't know what, in what. So then I said
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  Speaker 2: to myself, okay, cool.
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  Speaker 1: Let me.
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  Speaker 2: I need to take a step away from this. I
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  Speaker 2: know while I'm in this, this will be a distraction.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to be able to focus on things
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  Speaker 2: because another competition that I'm going to want to win
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  Speaker 2: is going to come up and it's going to turn
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  Speaker 2: my attention. So I said, look, I'm going to, I
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  Speaker 2: said to everyone, I'm retired. I thought, let me say
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  Speaker 2: it to as many people as possible. So then it's
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  Speaker 2: hard for me to turn back on it. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: just like, yeah, I'm okay. Yeah, I'm retiring now.
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  Speaker 1: Not fine again. Yeah, this is my last fight. And
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  Speaker 1: I said, cool.
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  Speaker 2: Started to go around looking at boxing gyms, looking at,
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  Speaker 2: Full contact kickboxing, looking at MMA gyms. And the first
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  Speaker 2: gym I actually went to was in Miami, Coconut Creek
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  Speaker 2: American Top Team.
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  Speaker 1: Ah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because my sister used to live in that area because
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  Speaker 2: I got siblings over in America as well. So came
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  Speaker 2: out there. And in my head at the time, there's
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  Speaker 2: only few people from the UK that was doing anything
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  Speaker 2: in MMA. So when I was like, maybe I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to try MMA, I was like, obviously I have to
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  Speaker 2: go to America. And I'm lucky enough to have siblings
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  Speaker 2: that live over there. So I'm good. So get to America,
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  Speaker 2: get to American Top Team.
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  Speaker 1: I go in there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, this is where I'm going to start. Like
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  Speaker 2: I've met a couple of the coaches and just kind
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  Speaker 2: of just like general chit chat. I didn't tell them
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  Speaker 2: who I was or anything. Just kind of saw the vibe.
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  Speaker 2: The facilities are amazing. I was like, yeah, this is
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  Speaker 2: going to be my new life. And then I get
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  Speaker 2: back to England and a good friend of mine, Marvin Francis,
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  Speaker 2: was like, Just in case, just have a look at
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  Speaker 2: some gyms over here.
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  Speaker 1: You don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Because obviously I've got things to sort out before I
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  Speaker 2: can just make the full move. So while you're doing that,
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  Speaker 2: let's have a look at a couple of gyms. And
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  Speaker 2: we did some research. We went to a couple of
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  Speaker 2: the Gracie gyms, went to a few other gyms that.
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  Speaker 1: I was around.
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  Speaker 2: Then I found London Shoot Fighters. I hadn't done any research.
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  Speaker 2: And at this time, I personally wasn't watching MMA at all.
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  Speaker 2: The only person I knew.
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  Speaker 1: What year is this? It's already been....
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  Speaker 2: I'd have been, what, 24? So, what's that about? It's
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  Speaker 2: over 12, 13 years back. And I was trying to
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  Speaker 2: say the only guys in the UK would have been,
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: Brad Pickett was fighting.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: Solid Fighter.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Solid Fighter. Michael Bisping was fighting. And nobody had achieved
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: anything Of big quality from there. Everything was in America.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: Was Bisping still living in England or had he moved
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: to America? I think he was still in England. Yeah, yeah.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: But again, I was only learning it as I got
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: more into it. But initially, I just thought... I made
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: the decision without actually researching anything, which is very much
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: like me.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: I'll just jump in headfirst. Figure it out. I'll figure
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: it out afterwards. So... I literally, I said to myself, okay, cool.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: I've got to London.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Shoot fighters. And the only person I knew was Chuck Liddell.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: That's I've actually seen. And I just was like, this
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: guy was just knocking people out. I was like, that's,
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: I could relate to that. I was like, he's a striker.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Everything else. I didn't really care for. I was typical fan.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Like when they got on the floor, I was like,
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: get stand up, stand them up. So I've never been
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: to a show, anything, but, he's a guy that I
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: like watching and I made a decision that I want
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: to do it.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Started in London Shoot Fighters and for some reason, the
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: guys there, I don't know, because I've had good coaching
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: in my upbringing, so I feel like I can hear sense.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: When I've gone to a place, I'm hearing how they're
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: coaching and what they're saying and I'm like, it just
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: makes sense to me. I was like, cool, I'm going
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: to start here. I still want to go to America,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: but I'll start here for now And then just see
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: where it goes. And I just fell in love with
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: the place.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Was that the first time you did any grappling at all?
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Any grappling at all. Wow. Didn't do.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: All I was doing every day was applauding people because
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I was tapping every two seconds.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Every two seconds. Frustrating, right? But I loved it though. Oh. Well,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: you have a good mindset. Yeah. It was weird.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Like I kind of enjoyed the fact that like I'm
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: looking at this guy like if I saw you on
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: the street in my head.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Right. I'm destroying you. Yeah.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: But this guy just twisted me up into a pretzel.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: It's a humiliating feeling.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, so humiliating. But I, again, I crave, I, if
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: I go back to the point side from about like you,
• 18:10
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• 18:15
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• 18:19
  Speaker 2: the boys.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Uh, my sister's the oldest and it's my brother.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I've got two other brothers than me. And at the time,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: We were fighting around, but they were winning everything. I
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: used to get my ass kicked everywhere we went. And
• 18:33
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• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Like he was for me he was the more talented
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: one but I mean like every single weekend we're driving
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: to Birmingham, to Manchester, to Scotland. We did trips everywhere.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Like my dad started a gym and he was going
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: around everywhere. And every weekend, it's like three hours that way,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: four hours this way, this way. coming back and I'm
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: just kind of boss lip and they're just, the medals
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: are just like, like they've got all the medals and
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: they're talking about how they spin kick some guy and
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: they did this. And I'm just like, yeah, yeah, cool,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: cool story. And I got destroyed for four or five years.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: And when I got to a qualifiers, uh, is in Birmingham, uh,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: It was an IASCA qualifiers and I managed to win that,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: which that in itself was success for me. Like I'm like,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: oh man, I qualified to go to the world championships.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I've already done well. Everyone else was, they were supposed
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: to do it. Like they're good enough to have the
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: expectation of themselves. So then I get to the world
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: championships and the way they seed fighters in the US
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: was very different to the UK at the time. So
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I had one fight, another fight, another fight and I'm winning.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: And I'm like happy.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I must be in like the finals already.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: And then they're like, okay, bring the Cedars fighters in.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: And then it's like a shitload of fighters join your.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Mat.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh. My dad would tell me, he's like, yeah,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I think you're in the semis. I think you're in
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: the quarters. And then he was like, bro, just keep fighting.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: He couldn't work out.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Seriously, I genuinely don't remember. I just
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: remember just feeling tired and I didn't understand why this
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: was still going on because in the competitions, Three, four fights,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: you're in a final. And I was at least 10
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: fights deep and still felt like I was fighting.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: All in a day? In a day. Wow.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: So there's, again, the IASCA World Champ is in Orlando, Florida.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: And it was, at the time, the biggest points kickboxing competition.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: So there's thousands and thousands of competitors, kids, adults, doing forms, doing,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: you know, katters and all this stuff. And then you
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: had the points fighting competition. the light contact fighting and
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: that was it. And yeah, it just, all day. And
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: then it literally got to this, like, okay, I won
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: a fight and the guy was like, okay, you're in
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: the final next. The referee said that to me and
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, like, I can't believe I'm in
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: the final. And this guy was very good. I can't
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: remember his name.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: He was young.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I was, I think it was like 12 or 11
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: at the time. And I won the fight. I just
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: collapsed to my, like, my back. I was just like,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: oh my God, everyone ran in there because again, Nobody
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: expected that of me. And I remember going in there,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: the trophy itself was six feet tall. And in my head,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: I was like, I just want one in my house.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: And I managed to win that. But something, that competition clicked.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: So all the times I was getting beaten up, all
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: the competitions I was getting destroyed at, and I wasn't
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: even like close.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I was getting destroyed.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I won this competition and I went back home and
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: every person I used to get destroyed by, I was
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: smoke in them like something was different instantaneously there's a
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: weird shift that just went click wow and all the
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: kicks that would i'd walk into face first i was
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: like oh actually i.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Can do this i was like wow you entered into
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the matrix.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I'd literally i just i to the point to the
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: point where so when i went back home was like
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: 12 and for the year of that circuit i didn't
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: lose a fight And this is from getting whooped. That's crazy.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: And I'm fighting all the same guys that I grew
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: up with. And they must have been like, what the hell?
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what the hell's going on here?
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Then when I was 13, I asked my dad, I
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: was like, can I please fight in the seniors? And
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: the seniors are 18 plus. And he was like, and
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: he said it to me, he said it to me
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: later on. He was like, as a coach, I knew
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: you could. As your dad, I was like, hell no.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: And I begged him.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Every competition we got, I was like, please, can I
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: fight in the seniors? Please.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: And there was a big British Championship competition.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: And I begged. I was like, please.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: He was like, you can do this one. And again,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I don't think he... Remember, these guys are 18 plus,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: but all different sizes as well.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I don't think.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: He knew I'd do well, but not as well as
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I did. So I won my senior division for my weight. Um,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: and like I said, these are big men, but the
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: problem is whoever, when you win in this competition specifically,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: when you win your section, you go into the grand championships.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, dad, you gotta let me go. He's like, no, that's,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: this is different now. Cause they're, they're the winners of
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: their division. This is, that was your weight division. Now
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: these guys are the winners of their own weight.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: You can't do this.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I begged him and I beat everybody and got.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: To the final.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: And the final was really, really close. And I felt
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: like I got robbed. And even my dad was like,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: he could never tell me no after that. Because I
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: destroyed some of the best fighters in the.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: UK at the time. Do you think it was a
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: confidence thing of having gone through that grueling tournament and
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: proving that you could do it and now you didn't
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: have doubts in your mind anymore? Or was it you
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: had just seen so many different high levels of competition
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: that maybe your own expectations had risen? What was it
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: that made that? instantaneous shift because it's one thing to
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: go and compete and do really well all of a sudden.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: And like now I'm competing, but then you went and
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: you were doing it against people that were normally beating
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: you and you're fucking them up. That's, that's like a
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: 50% shift. That's a giant shift.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: I would say one thing, obviously I hated losing as
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: anybody would, especially as a kid. Um, and We also,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: and I think it's for all of us, we wasn't allowed.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: So a lot of the kids would fight first and
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: then the seniors would fight. But because we all traveled
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: down together, we stayed the whole competition until the seniors
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: were finished so we can drive back. A lot of
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: the other kids were messing around when, obviously, guys that
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: I've spent, I've known since I was eight years old
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: that I'm still good friends with now because we were
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: the kids playing with each other afterwards, just being all cool.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: But my dad was like, no, no, no, you represent me.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: You sit down and watch. so as much as we
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: could play a little bit like when he wasn't looking
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: but we had to try and get back to the
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: mat to make sure we were watching people and I
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: feel like I'm a visual learner and I feel like
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: that helped me become that visual learner as much as
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: I was getting my ass kicked I was also spending
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: time watching amazing athletes.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: At the time I think it's an important thing to
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: mention that at that time there wasn't video readily available
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: like there is today like I remember the first time
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I went to the Taekwondo World Cup. It was in
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Colorado Springs in 2000. I mean, not 2000, 1980. I
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: think it was 86. And the first time I went,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I immediately got better just by seeing them, just by
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: seeing everybody. I just went as a spectator. Yeah. I
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: hadn't beaten anybody to qualify for the nationals. So when
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I went there, the whole experience was just absorption. Yeah.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: And I came back, and I was much better. Much better.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I'd never seen those guys live, but my expectations for competition,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: my expectations for movement and speed, everything had risen. And
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: at the time, I was 18. So it was just,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: when you're 18, your brain just, you just absorb. You
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: just absorb.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: And I think even more so when you're younger.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Yes. Oh, yeah, when you're a little kid.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: And I, like, my first competition, I was five years old.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: So.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: that is just many years again being up.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: That's incredible though because your body develops with that. I
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: started a little late. I started karate when I was
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: 14 and then wrestling and Taekwondo when I was 15.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: But I wished I started earlier because I was with
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: these guys that were younger and their little bodies had
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: like grown stretching and they'd grown punching and kicking. Like
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: you develop into that.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Funny you say that. That's where my name came from.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: So Venom came from when I was And the only
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: kids that was in my dad's class at the time, mainly,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: there were a few others, because at the time we did,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: it was basically one class. He didn't really separate the
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: kids and adults. It was just one class. So I'm
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: trying my best, throwing everything in to hit adults. They're
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: not moving, but I'm trying my best to just get
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: some kind of reaction. And then when I started hitting
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: people my own size, even though I was losing, because
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: they were like, obviously I was tall for my age
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: as well. So I was fighting kids slightly more naturally
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: developed than me, but I had a, had a whack
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: on me.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: That's a great way to put it. You know what
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I mean?
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Like, even though I, I, you know, I wasn't beating
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: these guys. These guys were just way too fast for me,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: but when I hit them, they felt it. And it
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: was one of my, again, Marvin was literally just like, Hey,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: you got some venom in you, man. And we was
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: very into like Kung Fu movies back in the day.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: And then, and I was very, um, creative mind like
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I love just just even with my martial arts I
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: learned a job like this and now I have to
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: add something oh I can't do things conventional I've never
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: never liked to do it if there's a everyone's walking
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: that way like I want to see what's over there
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: like I just I don't know what is wrong I
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: don't know what's wrong with me but what's right with
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: you what's right with me but I just got that
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: like I was curious and creative and so there's a
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: film called the five deadly venoms like old school old
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: school kung fu classic and he would be like yeah
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: yeah deadly venoms let's make a move for each like
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: uh thing because he'd be like scorpion or toad and
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: i would make up weird moves and try to add
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: it into and that was always my thing i'd see
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: something on the in the movies and i'm like i'm
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: gonna try it in there in there this is all
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: while i'm still getting beaten up by the way as
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: well but that never left me so even when i
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: started beating all these people now, I'm doing it with
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: the style and flair of like, what.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: More can I do? You know what I mean? So, yeah. Well,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: it's so perfect for martial arts for you, for MMA,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: because a lot of MMA is pattern recognition. You get
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: a custom technique. to certain types of movements. I know
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: this guy's going to do this. The calf kick's going
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: to be available. I'm going to feint with this and
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I'm going to throw that. I'm going to shoot that
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: double here because I know he's going to come with
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the overhand right. All these patterns, you don't have normal patterns.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: So you're moving around, your hands are down, you're sideways.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: And they have to make up new patterns as they
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: go along. So they have to think. It's such an advantage.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I always tell people that the first time
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: they're actually really going to experience this style is on
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: the night. And you have to figure it out on
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: the night.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Because there's not enough guys that have what you can
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: do that also compete in MMA. There might be five
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: or six in the whole world, which is nuts. It's
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: kind of nuts, man. I had been saying this for decades.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the one thing that's missing. And
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: then when you came over, I was like, Steve, this
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. This is crazy. You can't even
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: hit him. It's weird, though. It's a blessing and a curse.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Uh, blessing, obviously being able, being, having the advantages of
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: a fight, but sparring headache earlier, a lot of people
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: wanted to kind of like, let me see what this
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: is about. Then word spreads quite quickly. And I struggle
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: with sparring. I think starting to come back now, people
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: are a bit more willing.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: But I struggled with sparring. You just couldn't get sparring.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Couldn't get sparring because also, and I kind of see
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: it from other people's point of view. It's like, well, why,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to fight anybody like that. So why, why,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: why am I coming over?
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you saw that, if you, with your mindset,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: you would be like, I got to figure out what
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: the fuck he's doing. 100%.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: And my teammates, they're forced to.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: And a lot of them, they even say like, I'd
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: spar you and then I go spar someone else and
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: they feel so slow because I'm, when I'm with you,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: my eyes are like this. I'm forced to be like,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Ultra alert. And then I go somewhere in front of
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: a bunch of others.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: That's the thing too, it's exhausting. It's exhausting. Your style's
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: exhausting because you always have to be at high alert.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: There's no moment, because there's so many times where you've
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: done like, like a shift in rhythm and it looks
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: like you're slowing down and then you explode and crack people.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: And you've done that so successfully so many times that
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: if they've watched any tape, they know there's no moments
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: where you could catch your breath. There's no moments. And
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: you're always putting pressure on people. You're always fainting. In
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: the feints alone. See, people don't even know. When you're
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: standing there, it looks like you're just standing there. But
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: you're standing there and a guy's fainting and you never
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: know when he's going to actually launch. And your whole
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: body is constantly tense. You can't breathe. Tense.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: That's just their energy bar just doing this without anything happening.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Without anything. Without any kicks landing. No punch.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Which is actually why I'm actually a big fan of
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Tom Aspinall as well.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Because you don't really see that anywhere full stop, but
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: definitely not in a heavyweight division.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: No heavyweight moves like him. No one moves like him.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: He moves like a 185er. It's crazy.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: It's nuts. With that kind of explosive and that power,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: it's crazy.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Crazy speed for a heavyweight. Crazy speed. And I love
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: to see it. And that's why the Jon Jones thing
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: was being... Jon is... If not the greatest fighter of
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: all time. But he's not the fastest guy in the world.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: He's just so complete, and his fight IQ is off
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: the charts. Off the charts. Very well-rounded. Very. And wild.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Opens up his world title fight with Shogun with a
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: flying knee. Yeah, crazy. Wild. Just believes in himself, goes
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: for it. Belief, confidence. Yes, goes for it. I thought
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: that was a complicated matchup for him. It is. Because
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: that guy's not easy to get to the ground. And Aspinall.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: And he's fast as fuck. Yes. And he's big. Yeah.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: He's a legit 250 pounds natural. Yeah. You know, no,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: he doesn't need anything. There's no way he can make
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: 205 ever. He's fucking big. Yeah.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: I got to train with him and I went down
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: there and I was like, this guy, he's a tank.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: It's a tank. So that's a problem. Yeah. That's a
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: problem when you're not really a heavyweight. As great as
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: John is. Yeah. And I think John beats most heavyweights
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: that have ever existed. Yeah. That guy's a problem. Francis
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: is another problem. That's another problem. Because you're dealing with
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: a real 265-pound, solid, natural, grew-up-in-the-sand-minds. Literally. His story is crazy. Crazy.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: His story is something else. He told it on the podcast.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: He told the whole story of him. Going to Morocco
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: and getting to Europe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a movie, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: A crazy movie. I'm surprised nobody has jumped on that.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised, too. Someone needs to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's nuts. Yeah,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: we'll do it. We'll do it. We'll do it. But
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: when he was a child working, digging sand in Cameroon.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. You know? Incredible. And then you have incredible genetics. Yeah.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: And then you have just this fierce mindset from all
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: the shit that guy's been through. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: was another one. So there was two fights that I
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: was really interested in with John at heavyweight. Once he
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: won the title, I was like, God, bring back Francis, please.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: I just don't see that happening. Sort out your difference.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I wish I was running shit. Me and him get
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: along great. I just feel like, I don't know, I
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: think sometimes it's the executives and the fighters. Dana generally
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: gets along with people, like most fighters he gets along with,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: but him and Francis... It didn't work. I love the guy.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I've never had the privilege of meeting him, but he
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: just seems very sweet, like a big friendly.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Giant outside of the cage. Yeah, exactly. Big friendly giant.
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  Speaker 1: is for new customers only. He's a fucking great guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: I'm only saying from my experience with him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: But as a fighter, just fucking make it happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Keep him around. You got to jam. That's more important.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: it's extraordinary gem yeah and you want to talk about
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: sellability you want to talk about marketability what's more marketable
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: than a giant man who destroys everyone yeah he's the
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: guy yeah so true drove me nuts i know i
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: think everybody and i think that's added to people's frustrations
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: with the Tom Aspinall fight that happened then after as well. Well,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: that was not on the UFC's side or on Tom's side.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: That was all John. Look, John's a wizard. He knows
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: how to play all games. And one of the games
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: he plays, I'm retiring. No, I'm back. Oh, now I'm
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: hunting after you. It doesn't matter to him. He's going
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: to get the same amount of money. He's still John Jones. Like,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: it's all... It's all mind-fuckery. Like, keep you guessing. And meanwhile,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: John's deadlifting every day. You know what I mean? And partying.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: He's just so wild. But it's like, that fight would
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: have been amazing to see. But to me, the real fight.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: So that means it probably can still happen, though.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I hope so. I genuinely hope so. You know they
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: were talking about doing it at the White House? Yeah, yeah.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: And Dana said that. Dana's like, I can't trust John
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: to show up and be fine. Which is fair, which
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: is fair. So you gotta say, there's been a few
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: times where things went awry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fair enough. However.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: It would be great. Do it on a card where
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: you have 12 other fights. That's what I say. Who
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: gives a fuck? Let's see if it happens. If it
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: doesn't happen, it doesn't happen. That's true. I would be like,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: let's go crazy. Let's fucking go all in.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I guess what would happen is that fight overshadows many fights.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: So if it doesn't happen, even though the fights are
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: amazing still, people are like, ah.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: It does, but so what? Yeah. I mean, you know,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: you get. I don't know who you would do. Ilya
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Toporia versus Justin Gaethje or something like that. Something crazy
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: like that. You'd have a few other fights. It depends
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: on what happens this weekend with Pereira and Akhlaev. It
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: depends on what happens with Murab and Corey Sanhagen. Those
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: are two very complicated fights. Beast. Yeah, very good fights.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Murab is a beast, man. Beast. He's such a beast. Dude,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: he was talking to, I forgot who he was talking to.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: He did an interview. Oh, he was on Mighty Mouse's podcast.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: No sauna. No sauna. No cold plunge, no stretching. Doesn't
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: do any of that. Doesn't do any of that. Just
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: no warmup. Shows up. I just show up, start to train.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Just shows up. Shows up and fucking hits the gas.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: He stays up to 1, 2 o'clock in the morning. Just.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Just like his whole routine is totally contrary to everything
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: that you've heard before. And this is how he weight cuts.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: I stop eating. He just stops eating. He stops eating
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: on Tuesday.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: He just stops eating, stops drinking.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Water, keeps working out. The man's mind is a giant
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: factor that I think a lot of people are looking
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: at as cardio, which is an insane weapon. But the
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: man's mind, the toughness, the mental toughness, that is Fort Knox.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: You ain't getting in there. You ain't getting in there.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Remember that time, who was it? He was mounted. I
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: forget who got him. But he got him in a
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: mounted guillotine and he didn't, I think it might have
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: been Ricky Simone. Or was it somebody else had him,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: and he got out, and then he won the fight.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: But he was being choked unconscious for like two minutes. Yeah,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah. And he's like kicking his legs
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: and moving around. He's like, there's no quitting that guy.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Fucking zero quitting. You have to put him out. Zero quits.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: In the Marlon Marais fight, he was basically out on
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: his feet in the first round. And just came back
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: and stopped him. He's a monster. He's a beast. He's
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: a beast. And he keeps getting better. I mean, you
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: feel like, oh, a guy like that is so good.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Look how good he is. He's better than everybody. No, no, no, no, no.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: He's still getting better. He's not done. He's a project.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: He's like, what can the human mind force the human
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: body to do? And how young is he now? He's
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: like 34, I believe, which is in that light weight class.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: It's a little bit more of a problem in the
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: heavier weight classes, but I don't see any slope. Like
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: you said, his mind is... His mind is a fucking
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: steel trap.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: But it's funny you say that because I don't really
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: have structure either. So the weight cut I do, but
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: that's because I came in with no understanding of weight
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: cut and London Street was like, you do this.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: You look so big for 170. How the fuck did
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: you do that? How much are you cutting when you
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: went to 170? So even like now, I'm massive now. Yeah,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: you look like, let me guess, 220? What do you
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: weigh right now? Yeah, about 215. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I was going to do it in KG, so yeah. Right, okay.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah. We never adopted that. So stupid.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: It's a way better system.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's, but I've never struggled to get down though.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Because again, I was just told, I guess it's ignorance
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: as well, but I was.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Just told to do these things. And it's like, okay,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: you do it. When you start, like say you get
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: a call from the UFC. Six to eight weeks out. Okay.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: So you're not going to accept any two-week fights?
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: No. Well, it depends on the fight. And it depends
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: on where I'm always training.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: But middleweight, maybe you would. Middleweight, yeah. You have taken
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: some short notice fights.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for middleweight, which was the first one or the
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: second one I did. The last fight, maybe. But I
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: would take short notice fights depending on where I am.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: In training. In training.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: But even, I just like to have a rough idea, right?
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Even right now, it's like trying to get, and I'm like,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: I'm bugging people. Because I've come from a circuit where
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: we fight weekends.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Right. Every weekend we're somewhere. And it keeps you sharp. Yeah.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: And then, this is probably the most frustrating thing for me. Obviously,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: starting in the Bellator, and you're training.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: All the time.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: And then you have a fight. And then you're training,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: and I'm just like, and a lot of my fights,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: I don't take too much damage.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'm ready.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Now, like, give me a week off and I can
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: come back. And then it's months and months. I'm like,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: who am I fighting? Who's this?
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: The problem is you're a hard sell. Yeah. You know,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: when people get a call. Yeah.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: It's a flat-footed dude.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: They're like, shit, I'm going to have to learn how
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: to dance in six weeks. Fuck. And that's the thing.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: So I'm here.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: And I assumed wrongly that when I get to the UFC,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: that is going to disperse. Everyone's going to be gunning
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: for me. Like, yeah, I'm going to show everybody that
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: this guy is a can. He only fought people that
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: weren't his level. It's still the same. I think, and
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: obviously the more I fight, the less people are putting
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: their hands up. I think even Whittaker said, which I respect,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: to be fair. He came out, I don't even know, wait,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: somebody sent me something, but he had said, like, yeah,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be interested in making that fight.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. At this point in his career, that's just a
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: setback waiting to happen. Yeah, it's not. And his style
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: is very similar. Exactly, yeah.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: I'm a massive fan of his as well. Like, I
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: love his, obviously, he can tie in the wrestling way better.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: And just, yeah, I love his style.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: I do too. And you've got to realize, like, that guy...
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: He's been in it for a long time. He had
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: two fucking wars with Yoel Romero. When Yoel Romero was
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: made out of metal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy's fine.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: He's still fighting. Still. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's 48 years old,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: fucking people up, looking like he's 30. I'd swap buddies
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: with him in a second. Who wouldn't? Bro, when he
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: was in here, he came in the studio. It was
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: the most amazing thing because Joey Diaz translated for him.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: So it was him and Joey Diaz going back and forth.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Joey's Cuban as well, of course. And so when he
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: was here, he had to be 230 pounds. His neck
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: starts at the top of his ears. And one of
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: the things that he said, man, he was talking about
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: the Cuban system. He goes, you have to be on
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: my jean. Because he was talking about the system of
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: like you get more food if you're at a higher
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: caliber of athlete. Just to get more food. The athletes, yeah, man.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: The athletes that are the lower caliber, they eat twice
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: a day. In his caliber, he's eaten three times a day.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: He's like, so every day, every day they coming for you.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: You have to be on my chin. And I was like, oh,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: my God. And you get to look in his eyes, man.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: That motherfucker is fierce. Bro, we are soft in the West, bro. Oh,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: we're so soft in the West. We're so soft in
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: the West. What the hell is this? I'm not a
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: fan of communism. I don't believe it. But damn, it
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: creates a fucking beast. Alexander Carellan. I mean, I don't
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: know if you get. There's two things you don't get
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: that with. There's like substances. Yeah. With for sure taking place.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: And then there's also. there's a regiment that they have,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: both the Cuban system and the Russian system, where they
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: had figured out the balance between unbelievable hard work, but
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: technical ability and recovery. They didn't go meathead style. In America,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: we went meathead style, and we burnt a lot of
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: dudes out, but the dudes who survived were just the
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: killers of the killers. But they probably could have made
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: more killers like the Russians did if they did it
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: more technically.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: It's the same, so again, Shoots, they've been, okay, they
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: were the first MMA gym in the UK. I think
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: like 95, 97, 95.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a T-shirt. I got a London Shoe
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Fighters T-shirt from 2003. Yeah, crazy. I couldn't find it.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I was looking for it today. Crazy.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: So like I said, they've been around. Yeah, I'm going
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: to tell him.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell him.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: They've been around a long time. And obviously they've fought
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: with every, I think they've fought with every major competition
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: that's ever been out. They've done boxing with the likes
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: of like David Haye, Derek Chisora now. Even Dylan White
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: did a kickboxing fight with them. You know, myself, Lee Murray,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: John Hathaway. Even, like, Carlos Romero was the first Czech
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: guy before Yuri to be in the UFC. That was
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: them guys. They've done a lot. But they're the meathead style.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They are like, yeah, everybody will learn. Anything to
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: produce Lee Murray. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got that
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: guy in your gym. It's a problem. Just the echoes
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: of that guy's style will permeate through that gym for decades.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: That guy's just an angry man. He was an angry man.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, you needed somebody, because my
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: coaches are beasts, you needed that kind of militant force
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: to be able to manage that and cope with that.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: And that's what my coaches, they are. People used to
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: come to our gym and we're just like, yeah, who's ready?
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: And if you don't do it, I'll do it myself.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: That's one thing I always respected about them. Even with
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: the machines, the fitness machines that we had to do,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: the scores are crazy. I see people in other gyms
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: posting their scores.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like, is that it?
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: And they're celebrating it. And I'm like, we're forced to
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: do this.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: The hell is that?
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: He'd push you, but he'd also do it himself. Like,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: he'd jump on a machine, like, vroom, vroom, vroom, versus
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: a clammer.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: And just smoke it. Like, five fights, back to back.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: And then running and this and that. And we're doing,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: we have to do all of it because he's doing it.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: And he's not doing it.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: He hasn't got a fight. That's the way you lead. Yeah.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: And he led that way. Especially with killers. Exactly. Yeah,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: that's the problem. They demand respect. Right. And they have
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: to know that you're real. Exactly. Yeah. Otherwise, you're just
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: some pontificator on the sidelines with a fucking clipboard. Exactly.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Fuck off, bitch. Which is more nowadays.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Like I'm seeing a lot of like, and to be fair,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: I'm a fan of a lot of these guys, like
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: the fighting nerds. And again, I'm hearing that they had,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: I forget, like a data analyst or something.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they did.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: And he does like this, you know, he studies this.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: And I think that's cool. Like I feel like we
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: should have like add elements of these things as well.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: But obviously I've just grown up by this iron, sharps iron.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: It does. It's undeniable. Iron sharpens iron. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: You know, there's outliers. There's a guy who will come
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: out of a gym with nobody and he's a monster.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: There's just a few of those guys that exist in
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: the world. But for the most part, like if you
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: look at a gym like American Top Team, for example,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: look at how many animals have come out of that gym.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: So many. Pantoja, who I think does not get the
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: credit he deserves. I think Pantoja is one of the
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: greatest ever. Fucking guy's a monster. When that Japanese cat
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: came over from Rizin and he just like. like ragdolled him,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: like he had no business. And then the Kaikara France rematch,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: like you see the difference between when they first fought
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: and now the difference between like a dominant all time
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: world champion. People like when he's on a card, like
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: people don't freak out. I'm like, God damn it. Just
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: because he's 125 pounds, get that shit out of your head.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: You're watching one of the greatest ever. But that's the thing.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: It's the marketability of people. This is what I knew
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: I had to get right as well.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: And a lot of, I say that to my teammates
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: as well. I'm like, do you know how you're going
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: to market yourself? And they're like, no, no, just, you know,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: if I beat people up, it's like, it doesn't always just,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: unfortunately it should, but it doesn't, that's not what's going
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: to get you. If I have to, as a promotion
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: owner and the person managing everything, I'm either going to
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: pick you that's beating everybody, but nobody cares about, or
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: this guy that's, you know, it's pretty decent, but everyone's
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: making noise about going to pick that guy. So you
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: need to be able to market yourself. And I'd, I
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: knew that from the jump, and this is before really
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: social media was massive, massive is a thing. But I
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: said to myself, okay, I need to look in, how
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: am I gonna market myself? Because we don't have that
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: much time, like on the mic. The interviews at the time,
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: I don't feel like people got the recognition. People just
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: cared about the fight. They just wanted to watch the fight.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: They didn't care what you said beforehand, unless you're arguing
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: or shouting, you know, there's beef.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Unless you grab that mic and go crazy. Yeah, yeah.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: you got to go crazy. Chael Sonnen was the first
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: guy to figure that out. Oh, he's the best. Yeah,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: he was. He figured it out before anybody. He's the best. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Anderson Silva, you absolutely suck. He's the best fighter. But
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: he's still good. This is why he's on the mic now. Yes,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: but it was perfect. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was perfect.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: But there was balance with that. He's the king.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: For me, there's perfect balance. Like, it wasn't too far.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right. It was exactly what you wanted. Right.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Exactly what you need to market a fight and to
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: promote himself.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes, I agree with you.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: But, Well, again, it's weird, though, because I think authenticity
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: is important when you do that as well, though. And
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: Conor McGregor kind of is the next person for me
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: that's kind of delivered that.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, 100%. He took it to a whole nother level.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: A whole nother level.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Every time this guy's on the mic, he'll say one line,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, T-shirts, easy.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: How about when Jeremy Stephens is yelling at him.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: And he goes, who the fuck is that guy?
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: You can't beat this guy. He's so funny. I'm just like,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: why did you even open your mouth, bro? So funny, man.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: It's so funny.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: And you need to be able to do that. Before
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: I even had my first fight, I spent hours. I
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: was a big WWE fan. And I felt like The Rock,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: you know, Dwayne Johnson, out of all of them, was
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: the best at marketing himself. He had the crowd in
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: the palm of his hands. Every word that he said
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: And it was simple sayings. And I was like, yeah,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: I studied this, studied this. I was like, okay. And
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: even like his stances, he'd come up, like jump on
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: the ropes and put his hand.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Up and just stand there. Look around.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like he just demanded eyes.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: So again, I just came to, okay, what could I do?
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: So I was like, okay.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: You know, venom, snake, relate to a snake. Okay, I
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: was like, okay, yeah, let me do this.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, that's check. I've got a stance that I
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: can do.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, I need a saying. Okay, what can I say?
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Because again, I used to listen to people on After
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Fights and I didn't hear anything they said. They're like, yeah,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: I beat that guy. And I'm like, thank you for
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: my sponsors.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Who? Who were your sponsors? Didn't hear anything.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, it has to be concise. I have
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: to say specific words and just, I write this stuff down.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: But again, I speak to my team. It's like, bro,
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: what are you guys doing? You need to do this
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff and Understand that this is a part
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: of your game.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: You've got five seconds after the fight on the mic.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: If that.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: What are you going to say? What message is going
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: to land? What is going to make you memorable? And
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: I do things on my walk-ins as well. I need
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: people to remember. They're watching 16 fights.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: On the night.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Why do they remember me? Yes, my style is exciting.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: That's cool. There's this weird guy.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: He does some weird stuff with his arms and that
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: is quite cool. But they're not going to remember my name.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: I need other things to keep them coming back. Oh,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: there's this guy in the weigh-ins. He stood above this guy,
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: put his snake hand up. And then, oh, that's the
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: same guy that did the dance. Because now you're getting
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: it from different places. That's the guy that threw the Pokeball. Oh,
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: what's his name?
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: What's his name?
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: The more times you keep hitting them with different things,
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: the more times they're more likely kind of really buy
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: into you. I think this is why I was able
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: to create a big enough brand before even touching the UFC.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: just because I paid attention to that kind of thing.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: You were one of the first guys to make a
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: name for yourself in Bellator. Because Bellator, it was hard
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: to break out. There were some wild fights in Bellator
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: that never got recognized. How about the Eddie Alvarez, Michael
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Chandler fight? Fucking crazy fights. And I feel like those
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: guys left a lot of who they are there. We
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: got them kind of after. And Chandler's still remarkably durable.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: But that's just a discipline thing and a hard work thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: I think he's just accustomed to, like you said, he's
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: trained a certain way his whole life. He's always going
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: to have that kind of athleticism.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: But he's, you know, 38 now. I mean, it's like
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: you can only, I wished he had not been in Bellator. Look,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: I'm all for competition. I think competition's important. I don't
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: think there should be a monopoly in the MMA business.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: I think it's bad for the athletes. Yeah, definitely. I
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: love the fact that PFL overpays people. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Give them a million dollars. Everybody, get a million dollars.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Everybody gets a car. You get a car. I wish
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: there was more organizations. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hope 1FC succeeds. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: It does help. It helped me as well, even in
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: my negotiation. Fucking everything. Yeah. However. Yeah. There's a caliber
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: of athlete that I feel like should only be in
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: the UFC. Yeah, yeah. And you're one of those guys.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate that. There's a caliber of athlete where, like,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: I want to see how good they really are. You know? Like,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: some guys, like, Patchy Mitch... Patchy Mix is a beast.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: He's a bad motherfucker, but so is Mario Bautista. Mario
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Bautista had the perfect game plan to fuck up his party,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: but that dude, when he was in Bellator, was of
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: that caliber. I was like, I want to see him
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: over here, man.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: I personally, and obviously because I've experienced it, for me,
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: the first time I got nervous in an MMA fight
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: was my first fight.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: In the UFC? No, my first fight ever.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: And then after that, I was like, oh yeah, this
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: is the same as when I was fighting in the
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: kickboxing world.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: I'm cool.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: I didn't have any, I didn't get the nerves again.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: The first time again since then was the first, no, sorry,
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: weird enough, the second fight in the UFC against Ian Gary. Now,
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: the first fight, I don't know why, I just, I
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: don't know what it was, but I was quite relaxed.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: And then the second fight, I was like, oh, it's something,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: a reality hit me of like, oh, you're in the UFC.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: The people are going to demand a certain, thing from
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: you and you got a reputation of before of the
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: knockouts of the celebrations of the walk-ins of the this
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: of the that and then I just let that put
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: a weight on me really yeah yeah that's crazy that
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: it was the second fight I can't even explain as
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: to why it was the second fight and not the
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: first one and then even the third fight I still
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: had that kind of oh man I'm not performing the
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: way I want and I felt like I'm Eager to impress.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: And I never felt like that in Bellator. But at
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: the UFC, I'm like, I'm trying my best.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? Yeah, it's weird. It's the same thing.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: It's the same thing. Cage, cameras, people. Same thing. Same thing.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: But I just, the magnitude of it, I don't know.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: I'm guessing.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: It's what we all grew up with.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: It's what everyone grows up with. It's like, this is where,
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: like I said, there was always question marks around my name.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: I was jump knees and this and that. Always question
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: marks around my name still. But then now I'm here,
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, actually, these guys can respect me now,
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: actually respect me now because I'm here. And then I
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: was just trying too hard, trying too hard, trying too hard.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: The last fight was the first time I was like,
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: I'm back. And this is why I just keep getting
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: me back in the cage because I swear to you this.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: I'm back to where I used to be and how
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: I used to feel.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: It's just an issue of getting guys that are willing
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: to fight you that are of a certain caliber. Exactly. Because,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously right now you're pretty big. So for
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: you to get down to 170 again would be a
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: real problem. Are you committed to 185 or are you
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: open to either one of them? I want 170. I
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: can see a clear pathway.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Even after my last fight, I messaged Hunter and I
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: literally like, look, oh, let me fight.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: It was Morales. Yeah. Yeah.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: And I was like, look, another undefeated guy.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Perfect fight. He's a beast.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: I'm ready. Let me take him. And I said, what
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: I could do after that is in December, I think
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: I said, or no, March next year. I was like, yeah,
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: give me that for November. March next year, usually come
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: back to the UK. Let me fight the winner of
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Leon Edwards and Pratas. I was like, another great fight there.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: And then you've got July card. Obviously, everyone's going to
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: put their hand up to be on that. But I said,
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: if you guys want me to be on that, again,
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: I'll fight for whoever you want in that top range.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: I don't care who it is. Pick somebody. I'll fight them.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: And then I want a title shot.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Or you give me the title there. Yeah.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: But I'm like, I can see a clear path to
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: what I want. And it's just everything seems slow, which
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: I did. Like I said, I didn't expect that. coming
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: to the UFC.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: I think there's just too many athletes. There is a lot.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: I think they have on contract more than 500. Damn.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: How many athletes does the UFC have under contract? Throw
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: that into it.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: But then also, I think, and obviously I'm managed by
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Paradigm with Audie. And he said he feels like the
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Paramount deal, they're having to integrate that now as well.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I didn't think about that.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: But every time Bellator, because Bellator kept getting new partnerships,
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: it did slow things down a little bit.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that would make sense. Yeah, that doesn't start
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: until January.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: But obviously they're sorting out contracts and things from now.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: And then they obviously have to try and align the shows.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: And I'm guessing, obviously I don't know, but I'm just
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: saying it just feels... even slower than before. And I'm like,
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: that sucks.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I just want to be back out there.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: I don't care. And this is why I'm happy to take... 674. Wow.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: 674 fighters under contract. And they don't have fights every week.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: They have fights almost every week, but not every week.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, just think about that. So you have 52 weeks...
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: You have all these fighters. Fighters want to fight multiple
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: times a year. I appreciate that, but I'm MVP, man.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Let's go. I am with you. I'm with you. I
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: always say that I wish I was a matchmaker, but
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: I don't because it's the hardest job. Yeah, I'm sure.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: I used to talk to Joe Silva back in the
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: day when he did it. He fucking hated it. Dealing
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: with everybody and managers and people flake out and fail
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: drug tests. God damn it. And these guys, what they're
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: doing right now is very difficult because what what Mick
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Maynard and Sean Shelby are dealing with is the volume
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: is so much greater. Yeah. There's so, and there's so
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: many more really good guys, like in almost every division,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: like guys are coming in from the contender series. That
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: guy looks like a world championship caliber fighter. Talented. Talents
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: off the charts right now. And it's because they get
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: to watch. Yeah. You know, these are the kids that
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: are growing up watching Anderson Silva. They're growing up watching
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: John Jones first fight. They're growing up. Yeah. watching the
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: early Chuck Liddell fights.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: It's totally different.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: When they're play fighting with their friends, they're in stances
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: that look right. You know? They know what they're doing.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: And they know the names of every submission and this.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: It's so true. They're calf kicking each other in the
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: fucking schoolyard. It's a totally different world. It's very true.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: And those kids are going to grow up and that's
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: going to be integrated into their neuromuscular system. Yep, yep. Yeah,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: and they're going to learn, there's guys coming along that
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: are like elite black belt level jiu-jitsu, elite stand-up, elite wrestling,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: takedown defense, cardio off the charts, and they're 22. And
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: you're like, this is nuts. Now it's just about whether
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: you can compete, whether you can pull it off and
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: keep your head together on fighting days.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Which is, again, I think is something that people don't
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: speak about enough.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Listen, Aaron Pico is as talented as they come, right?
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: That dude is a fucking vicious boxer, incredible wrestling, gold
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: chip prospect. But Lerone Murphy is another guy. I was
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: saying before that, this is the guy that's not getting
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: the credit he deserves. Because you've got all these loud
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: killers at 145, but you've got this one dude that
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: does everything perfect. Yeah, yeah, and he's beating everybody. He's
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: beating everything. Etching away, etching away. And he doesn't take damage.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: And he's clever. And he's slick. And he does things.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: And every technique is perfect. And there's no fat on anything.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: There's no wild winging punches. Everything's tight. That spinning elbow
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: was a work of art. He just knew. Aaron Pico's
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: a train. He's come bang. That was crazy. But that's
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: the difference between someone who can compete at the highest level. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: And is custom to it. Right. It's the knowing when
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: to hit the gas and when not to. Pico's just
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: all gas, no brakes. Yeah, go on.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: Like you said, it's similar to Michael Chandler again.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Yes. Just in that rage mode all the time. All gas,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: no brakes. You need to take your time. But that's
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: a wrestler thing, too. They always want to break people.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: Because in wrestling, you can do that. You can have
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: that mentality where you're constantly hitting the gas because you're
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: not going to get knocked out with a flying knee. Yeah, true. True, true. Changes. Yeah,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: because you get that. That's how you compete. You get
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: this mindset of, I'm going to fucking dominate. I know
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: what I did in training for this. My gas tank's
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: off the charts. My aggression's off the charts. I'm a killer.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: I'm going to dominate. I'm moving forward. I'm moving forward.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: The problem is with a guy like Lerone, it's like,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: you think he's backing up. He's coming forward. Oh, the timing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: The timing. It was just like.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: But Pico even stepped right into the elbow.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: It was ruthless. It made it ten times worse. Ruthless. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: And that's my thing.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: The car crash effect when you create those collision moments.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: So for a guy like Lerone, who's not a big
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: marketing guy, not a big, like, doesn't say wild shit
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: on the microphone, just steady professional, does his job. He
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: needs to do that, right? He needs, like, this spectacular
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: thing where all of a sudden everybody goes, he... Needs
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: to fight Alexander Volkanovski. And that looks like that's what's
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: going to happen now because of that one performance. Which is,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: I'm so happy for him. Me too.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: He's a cool guy, man. I'm so happy for him.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: But this is why I tell people, if he had
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: just a little bit of chat, a little bit of
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: show your personality or something, just.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Give me something else. You have that, though. No, but
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: you know what it is?
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: I always say, like, everyone, like, Demetrius Johnson, for me, is.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: one of the greatest of all time all time of
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: all time another underappreciated guy.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: Because yeah yeah but i feel like underappreciated because you
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: can't market him in the exact same way as you'd
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: market like a conor mcgregor or somebody else like that
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: but he's a gamer i'm like shed a light on
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: there's a massive yeah massive community of gaming that industry
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: is billion dollars deep market this guy because he goes
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: back home and he's just like... Yeah, he's one of them.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: He's one of those guys. But again, we didn't see.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: I don't feel like we saw any of that until
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: afterwards when he was kind of like doing his own thing. Now, obviously,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: he's doing a lot of his YouTube channel. I'm so
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: happy that he's getting the recognition.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: It's kind of when he went to one that he
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: started doing more of the gaming stuff online. No, he
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: had been doing it, though. He had been doing it
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: in the UFC as well? He had been doing it, yeah.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: But again, it's just more, I guess.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: They didn't capitalize. Yeah, that's what I mean. I think so.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: Certain people, you have to like, what is your thing?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Not everybody is just the fighting.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: They have things to kind of release, wind down and
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: Find that out.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: He's killing everybody anyway. So how else can we market?
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Instead of being like, ah, can't market him.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: He doesn't talk. He doesn't say anything.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: There must be something there. There has to be something
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: else there we could look into.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting because some guys, their personality is no personality.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Like Pereira. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His personality is stone face. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: Just stone face, destroyer, death machine. Here he comes, Amazon warrior.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: Like literal, actual Amazon warrior. Yeah. Like not a faker.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: His fucking family comes from a tribe in the Amazon. 100%.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: But then that's what he markets though. Yeah. I guess
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: that's what they market. But it was because of- No,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: but he markets that as well. He markets it. He
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: works out. That walkout. Oh, yeah. That's true.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: Bro, I do it myself. When he's walking out, I'm
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: just waiting for him.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: I'm like- That's true. And that's what I mean though.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, like that's you, you, you, you're telling, you're
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: selling your story with just something so simple.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: That's actually a very good point that I didn't even
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: think of. His walkout. His walkout. His walkout is maybe
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: the best in the sport. Yeah. And that's what I'm
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: trying to say. And that music. Yeah. Jungle music behind him.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: You just, you just, you just, the walk.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: Just this Amazon warrior. It's simple.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: Everyone can relate to it.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: It's consistent. So I'm always going to, oh, that's the guy.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: And you see kids in the audience throw the one-two
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: hook afterwards. Yeah, they do it.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: And like I said, because I'm a big wrestling fan,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: I see it's those moments that everybody will remember and
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: everybody will do.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: Right, like when Stylebender came into The Undertaker. Oh, beast.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: But that's what I'm trying to say. It's those kind
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: of things that people just don't.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: And I'm talking the fighters themselves. Obviously, I feel the
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: UFC can do their bit as well. But technically, you're
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: already on the platform that's going to show you to everybody.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: So then it's your job to figure it out as well.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: Another aspect of the game. Yeah. Like strength and conditioning,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: like all these different things. Exactly. Just think about it.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: You're a professional. Figure out how to market yourself. Yeah.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: You are the product. The problem is, though, it does
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: lead to, like, cringe moments. Of course. Of course. Not
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: everybody has your personality. And some guys try, and it's like, yikes. Shit.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: You got to take a risk.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: You got to take the risk.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: If it goes well, it goes well. Yeah. It goes well.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: So, like, as you said about Alex Burr, technically, we
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: wouldn't care if he walked out of that and got
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: knocked out.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: We wouldn't give a shit. Yeah. But he's a killer. Yeah.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: That fight this weekend is very, very interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: so here's the downside to fighting all the time. Fighting
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: all the time with your style is a very different
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: thing because you take so little damage, which is another
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: huge element. I kind of would tell people that if
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: you have a kid and your kid wants to learn
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: martial arts and they want to eventually be an MMA fighter,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: I would say two things. Number one, wrestling. Take that
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: kid and teach him how to wrestle because... If you
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: could just develop takedown defense and understanding of grappling, at
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: least you have a base from the time you're real little.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: That should be your base. Yeah, yeah. Because it's the
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: most important aspect of the fight. If you can't grapple,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: a guy can take you down and he can hold
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: you down and you can't do shit about it. Number two,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: learn how to point fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Learn how
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: to point fight. Learn distance control. Because there's a different
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: thing that you guys are doing. If you got like,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: People think of Billy Blanks as Tybo. You gotta go
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: back and watch Billy Blanks when he was a fucking
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: karate wizard, dude. He was a wizard, and he was
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: hitting people where you couldn't hit him. All the old
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: school guys were all like light on the feet, bladed style,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: and they had this leap in ability that if you're
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: used to a guy standing in front of you, it's
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: a giant problem, and you don't have the timing to
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: solve it. You could go two, three rounds deep before
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: you start actually landing anything. You can't do anything to them.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: It's a giant problem. And I would say you want
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: to be the person giving the other person that problem.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: Then you can learn all the other stuff too. Learn
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: your boxing fundamentals and more tie and knees and elbows.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: But if they're nowhere near you and you can hit them,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: you can close that gap quick. You have a blitz.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, understanding that distance control.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: And also the feints. The stutter steps. Those things change
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: the game.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, there's so much movement in that style of fighting
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: that just gets lost when people are plodding and just
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: teeping each other in the stomach and kicking their legs.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: But it's funny, people always used to go on about
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: me and Wonderboy Thompson fighting. And I'd always say, it
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: won't be as exciting as you think. For us, me
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: and him... there'll be moments where we're bouncing, faking, and
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: we'll laugh at each other because we saw what would
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: have happened if one of us went, but the crowd's like,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: the fuck is going on?
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: Fight. The fuck are you guys doing?
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Smiling at each other.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: They don't get the fight that's going on in the moment.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: And I say to people, it's not as exciting. Two
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: pluses don't always give you that plus.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: Not always, but you still want to see it. Of course,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: people always want to just... It's also like fighting doesn't
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: have to always be ultimate excitement. You have to, like,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: that's why I say no stand-ups, ever. When a guy
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: takes a guy down, that person on the bottom does
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: not want to be on the bottom. They want to
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: be up. If they can't get up, tough shit. It's
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: only five rounds. Every fight starts, stands.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: It up, which is a giant, giant advantage for a striker.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: Because otherwise they wouldn't even be able to get themselves up.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: So none of that. See, it's got to be pure.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: It's got to be real. You can't have ways that
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: a guy won only because the rules set it up
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: for him to get to a better position. I agree.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: The only thing that I find slightly frustrating in that
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: element is.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: I don't mind the wrestling.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: I think wrestling is a beautiful art and is, like
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: you said, one of the most important arts to dictate
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: where you want the fight to go. But if you're
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: taking me down, try to kill me.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: I agree. Try to be.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: finish the fight don't just take me down and just
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: i agree i've had people like grabbing my legs and
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: looking at the clock here's.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: The thing if they're not good enough to kill you
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: yeah right what if they're good enough to take you
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: down and hold you down but then they just have
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: to be real defensive afterwards and they'll throw a little
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: pity pat i know i know that's the only element
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: that i just but here's the thing they're not good
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: enough to do more do you know what i'm saying
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: But you must be, though. Maybe not. Uh-uh. Maybe not.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe only good enough. Like, you're so good, and they're
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: just good enough to hold you down. But if they've
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: reined up and started reining, and then you fucking framed off.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: You got to half guard. You got back up to
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: your feet. All of a sudden, we're dealing with this
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: shit again. Fuck that. But if you just stay on
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: top and don't take any chances, now you can't do shit. Yeah,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: I agree. It's boring as fuck.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: For me, it's not even a boring element of it.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: I still enjoyed that aspect. If I was watching, I
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: only enjoyed that aspect because I know what I'm looking
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: at now. I'm like, oh, he's got, okay, he's grabbed
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: his wrist there. Okay, I can see what he's trying
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: to work to. Okay, no, you didn't get it.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm still in the fight.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: Whereas some people, I guess the people, if you don't
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: get into grappling, you're not going to know what's happening
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: other than they're just lying there. So I get it
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: for them. But for me still, it's just like the
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: aim of this game It's for me to beat you.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: And I mean, like, knock you out, put you to sleep.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: So I'm trying to show you that I am the
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: stronger man as a warrior. And that's not by holding you.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: Right. That's not by holding you down.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: Holding you down to get you to a position to
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: land this elbow and hold you down to get this
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: position to land this.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but just to... I completely agree. However... Even though
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: I'm a fan of yours, if a wrestler who had
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: that boring style took you down and held you down
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: for three rounds and won a decision, I'd be like, damn,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: he did it. Yeah. He did it because he can't
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: do it any other way. If he can't stand up
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: with you, he's going to get fucked up. And he
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: can take you down any time. Why would he ever
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: let you up? And if losing position is dangerous, so
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: if you're very explosive and you're very good at grappling,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: you're very good on the bottom, you've gotten submissions off
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: the bottom. If a guy reigns up and starts throwing shots,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: but he feels like his base is gone, and he
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: just wants to clinch and hold on and maintain position,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: and he maintains position with this kind of shit. You're
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: on top and you're doing this kind of shit. Just
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: little movements. Like, he's still getting away with that. He's
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: still doing that. Yeah, I agree. Because that might be
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: his only path. Right. For you. But the thing is,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: he's not good enough. Yeah, yeah. Where then you have
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: guys like Khabib. Khabib gets you down, you're getting fucked up.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: You're getting fucked up constantly. Everybody loves that. Everybody loves that.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: He's talking to you. He's creating that space by still
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: pinning you.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: He's crushing your legs in between his legs and he's
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: fucking wailing on you.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: That I can appreciate all day every day.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: I can too, but some guys aren't good enough. They're
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: still fighting. They're in there. They're not good enough. There's
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: guys at a world-class level that are not going to
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: be world champions, but they might be able to beat
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: a guy who could be a world champion. if they
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: can do that thing. It sucks. I know, I know.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: But it's real.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: It's hard to class you as a world championship fighter then.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's talk about Hamzat then. Yeah, yeah. Hamzat
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: and Drakus Duplessis is a perfect example of that. You
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: got an elite grappler who dominated the fight with very
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: little damage.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: When I dominated it to the point where you're in
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: the worst position you could be in in MMA.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: You're in a crucifix position. Over and over again. Every round.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: Over and over again. You can't do shit about it.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: You let him just.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: You can't do shit about it.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: So do you think that he's worried about him exploding?
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: Because in my head, I'm like, the fight ends if
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: I elbow the shit out of you right now.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: I think he's worried about the chaos and Drake is
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: getting back to his feet. They wanted to just win.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: This is the whole thing. Because he came back to
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: his corner, apparently. And this was told to me secondhand,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure it's true. Yeah. By a reliable
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: source that he was saying, can I box now? I
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: was like, no. Okay. No, you're not fucking boxing. His
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: team was like, take him down. He can't. Look, if
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: you got that clear of a dominance. No.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: That I still agree with, though, as a coach is saying, no,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: take him down. But I'm saying once you are in
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: that position.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: Smash. Smash. Yeah. Your whole thing is smash. Yeah.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: Smash the shit out.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: What the hell? I think they just wanted that win
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: no matter what. You know, because it's such a big deal.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: Hamza finally got a shot at the title. What is
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: the clearest, most intelligent, if you're betting a billion dollars
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: on this fight, what's the best way to victory? Fucking
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: just take him down. You can take him down anytime
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: you want to. Hold him down. Punch him a few times.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: Make sure you're in dominant position so you're not going
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: to get stood back up. If the referee starts talking
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: to you and telling you to start throwing a little
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: bit of this, do a little bit of that. Fake
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: a submission. Don't throw all your gas into it. Do
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: whatever the fuck you got to do, but get that
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: goddamn title. Yeah. Right? And then there's going to be
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: some guys that he can't do that to. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: And that's where things get interesting. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: Who would you say that is, though? Because his wrestling
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: style is just.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: Crazy. Yes, it's crazy. So Brandon Shaw had been to
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: his training camp. Okay. And he called me up. He goes, bro,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: we got to talk. He goes, I just got back
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: watching Hamza train. He goes, I've never seen anything like
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: that in my fucking life. He's like, dude, but I'm
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: telling you, he's mopping the floor with Division I All-Americans,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: world-class grapplers, jujitsu black belts. He goes, he's mopping the
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: floor with people. He goes, it's nuts. They asked me
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: if I wanted to spar with him. The shop goes,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: fuck you. He's like, fuck you. I'm not going in there.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: He goes, he was mauling people on the ground. He goes,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it. He goes, it was crazy.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: He goes, he's so high level.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had the privilege of going to the gym
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: in Dubai and training alongside him and saw it for myself.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: And it's, yeah, I was like... It's a shocking level
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: of grappling. Yeah. And when you can achieve that shocking
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: level of grappling on world-class MMA fighters, why wouldn't you
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: do it? This is my thing, my take on it. Like,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: if you just want to win and make as much
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: money as possible... And keep doing that. You should finish, guys,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: whenever you can. But if you don't think you can
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: in the path to victory is grappling, this is still
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: a sport. Yeah, fair. If it wasn't a sport, there'd
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: still be headbutts. Yeah, there'd still be stamps. Stamps, soccer kicks,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: all the wild shit that used to be. You'd still
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: be able to wear shoes. Who gives a fuck? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: But it's a sport. So if it's a sport, we've
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: got some rules. I just don't think. I don't think
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: there's anything wrong with winning by the rules. It's not
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: my favorite style.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: Fair, fair, fair.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: My favorite style is either a knockout artist or a
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: submission artist. I like a guy who just finishes everything. Yeah,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: Olivero when he was... Yeah, when he was in his prime.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: In his prime, just kills. Catching triangles and darses. Oh,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: my God. He was a monster. He was so good.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: Those guys, like, when you watch a guy who's, like,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: an elite world-class submission artist and the fight goes to
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: the ground, it's just a totally different thing. You know,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: you're in real, like Fabricio Verdum, when he was in
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: his prime, when he caught Fedor with that triangle. Catching
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: Fedor with a triangle is crazy. If you know how
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: explosive that guy is and how fast he is and strong,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: what a great grappler he is. But Fabricio Verdum's another
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: guy who doesn't get his due. When you think about
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: all time goats you think about Noguera you think about
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: Fedor and you think about Minotauro and Fabrizio Verdum tapped
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: them all he tapped all the greats all of them
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: tapped them yeah yeah yeah Tapped them. All the greats.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: Didn't just win by a decision. Yeah, didn't just hold down.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: Tapped Fedor when Fedor was Fedor. People were like, whoa,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: that's crazy. Fedor's a beast. Bro, he was a monster.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: Stoic warrior from Russia. No expression. He was the earliest
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: of his time. Oh, way ahead of his time. Way
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: ahead of his time. Ability to catch submissions off his
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: back with lightning speed. He had a lightning fast arm bar. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: And power on the feet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bro, he
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: walked down Cro Cop. Yeah, it's crazy. Crazy. With stand-up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: Cro Cop's head kicks were insane. Every kick. But Fedor
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: was blocking them so intelligently too. He was using that
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: high block with the knee way up like that to
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: catch that left kick. And they caught it shin to
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: shin many times. That was a crazy fight. But Fedor
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: in his prime was so good, man. Because he was
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: the first guy other than Minotauro. Minotauro, but he was
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: more dangerous on the feet than Minotauro. But Minotauro on
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: the ground was one of the first guys super dangerous
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: off his back. Off his back, yep. Yeah, just super,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: super lethal guard. Like when he beat Bob Sapp. That
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: was the nuttiest fight in the history of MMA. That
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: was the nuttiest. Bob Sapp was 350 pounds with abs.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, he's kind of like your
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: Ngannou nowadays.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: But way bigger. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Way bigger, but not
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: as skilled.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no way. He's gotten Francis' improvements. because in his
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: earlier stages, I was just like, yeah, he's got power,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: but he's technically like.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: Francis basically beat Tyson Fury in a boxing match. Crazy, right?
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: Basically beat him, because I scored it for him.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: I scored it for him, 100%. They just could not
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: let that happen.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: He dropped Tyson Fury with a left hook and then
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: danced in front of him. I mean, that's skill. I mean,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: he wasn't ready for Anthony Joshua, because Anthony Joshua... it
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: was a different thing. He's got more one-shot knockout power.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: It was a bad game plan as well, though.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: He likes to switch in. But again, this is where
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: the boxing is. If you don't have that kind of
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: intellect in the boxing, that footwork and foot positioning is
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: put your foot on one side, you're going to get killed.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: You put your foot on the other side, you're safe.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: You can kind of manage the power and see the
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: punches come in. but he kept switching stances by just
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: leaving himself in just the wrong positions.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he wasn't ready for a guy like Joshua. He
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: wasn't ready. There was a lot of hype off the
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: Fury fight. Also, Joshua got to watch him box in
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: the Fury fight and see some patterns. Fury, I think,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: probably took him lightly. Yes, I think so. He's one
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: of the greatest of all time. This guy's never had
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: a boxing match. At the beginning of the fight, he's like,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: time to go to school. Like, oh, really?
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: And then he probably got stunned he just got stunned
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: and that was it he's now working.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: You talk to any fighter they will tell you the
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: worst times of their life is when they thought that
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: a guy was nothing and then in the middle of
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: the fight they realize oh my god I'm losing they
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: took a guy lightly and they didn't get up for
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: the fight and then they went in there and that
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: dude was fired up.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: And ready to go you can't take anybody lightly though.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: No Mike Tyson, Buster Douglas, another perfect example of something
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, 100%, no. No one thought. This guy
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: was partying every day. Yeah, exactly. He did not take
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: it seriously at all.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: He did not take it seriously at all. He got
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: a big respect for Buster Douglas on that one, though.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. It was one of the greatest performances
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: of any heavyweight title fight ever.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: To want to walk in and do that as well.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: The fact that that guy could do that the whole
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: time but only did it against Mike Tyson is nuts
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: because he was one of those guys, and we all
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: know them, that is super talented. and just never realizes
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: their full potential. You know guys in the gym, you'd
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: see them sparring. I talk about this all the time.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: I've had so many people, obviously I've got to see
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: over the years that are talented. And again, it's the
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: same thing, but can you do it when it counts?
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: Can you do it when the lights are on? Can
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: you do it when there's pressure and it means something
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: to you, your friends, your family, money? Can you still
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: do it? That's when it counts. But I've seen guys
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: that are... There's a guy, actually... And I always talk
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: about him just because he was super unique. And weirdly enough,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: he got to the UFC on a short stint. Galore Bufondo.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever remember him. He only
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: had two fights, but he fought Charlie Ward. And I
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: call it Hadouken. He just grabbed him and threw his
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: head into the floor.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, jeez. And it was a KO.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: And he actually never got the bonus for that. I
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: don't know how he didn't because I've never seen anybody
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: just throw someone's head down, you need.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: To watch it at some point. Boom. There you go.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: And if you keep it going and you see how
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: he finishes, look, he's like.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: Wow. That dude landed hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That dude
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: landed hard.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: And if you see the finish, this is how athletic
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: this guy was.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: Just watch. Light work.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: Just landed a little spider stance. Yeah, perfect landing. Now,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: I had to deal with this every day.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and... That was nothing.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: He's super explosive. But again, he's a striker. Very weird striker. Like,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: his kicks are like his hands.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: He can... For ages, yeah?
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: I was sparring him one time and me and him, like,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: I'm the guy with him. When he steps in, my
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: eyes do this. And I'm like, okay, I have to
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: make sure because a kick will come from anywhere. And
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: we're sparring, going back and forth.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: And I'm in my element. And.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: everything slows down for me and I see his head
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: drop down and alarm bells are going off and I'm
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: like he doesn't he doesn't shoot he doesn't go for
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: takedowns but I'm feeling alarm bells going on like something's
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: going wrong I don't know why this felt this slow
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: something is wrong and I've never done this block in
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: my life and I went like this X block I've
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: never done this in my life Never been taught this.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: My body said, throw your hands.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: He did that and did a cartwheel kick. Front flip.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, geez.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: Landed on his foot and axe kicked me. If I
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: didn't do that, I'd be sitting here in two right
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: now talking to you about the story that I once
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: used to do MMA and this guy split.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: Me in half.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: And he's front flip axe kick. He's done a front
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: flip axe kick. That's crazy. On his Instagram, I don't
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: know if you'll find it, but on his Instagram, there's
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: clips of him doing it on a bag. And he
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: literally flips, lands on his foot, hits the bag, and
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: he's just standing.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: But he did it.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: I've blocked it. Now, even that alone, because I've now
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: blocked it, you should fall off balance. He took his
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: foot off and carried on sparring. Everyone in the gym
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: was like, How was that?
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: I never even thought anyone could do that.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: He's another person that in the cage, he never showed
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: this stuff. I've seen him somewhat on a single leg
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: and he's run up the cage and slipped up the
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: single leg and kicked off the cage and landed behind
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: the person. Always when I talk about this, it sounds
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: like I'm exaggerating. He used to do stuff that I've never,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: it's only in games.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: And this is why everyone used to love him. Just
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: watching him do that flip, I believe every word you're saying.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: Because that was crazy. The landing was crazy. Yeah, like
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: it was a feather. No, he landed softly on one knee. Yeah.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: He was insane, but just never showed it.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: Is he retired? Yeah, he teaches and stuff now, but
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: he just... And it's a shame, and he was a
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: fun character, like I said, an amazing person to train with,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: because he made me better. And he's got the few
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: people in the gym that could actually kick me in
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: the head. And catch me, because usually I'm good at seeing,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: I've got good eyes, and he's just, yeah, he was
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: just something else.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: Crazy that you knew it. Like, you had intuition.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know what happened. But as I've been said,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: if you don't do this, you're going to die today.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: Wow. That's crazy that you recognize that of all movements. Yeah.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: But again, he never shoots. He's a striker.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: He'll sprawl and then start doing his jiu-jitsu from there.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: Never really shoots. And he just went like this. And
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what's going on here? I don't feel like sprawling.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: Something's wrong, but I don't feel like sprawling.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, here you go. Here you go. Oh my God,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: that's crazy.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: He does one and he lands it.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. Boom. That is so crazy.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: Imagine doing that during a sparring. It doesn't make sense.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: And I'm talking, he's hitting the bag.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: Boom, look. That's crazy. And I tell people, people feel like,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: you're talking rubbish. You can hear that. If that hit me.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: That is so wild.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: And I wish he was able to show this stuff.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: What kind of explosion you have to have to pull
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: that off. The amount of force you generate. Yeah. And
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: who would see that coming?
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: I still don't, to this day, know how I saw
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: it coming, but if he did that, and again, he
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: goes into, he went into these fights and he would,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: it would be relatively basic. He wouldn't show all of
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: this kind of stuff.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: So he would tighten up in fights. Yeah, he'd just.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: Tighten up a little bit. He just wouldn't express himself
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: in the same way.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: Did anybody at that time work with like a mental coach? No,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: From our gym, the only person I know did it
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: from our gym was actually Alex Reid. But he is
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: a weird character anyway. Funny guy, lovely guy. But he
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: used to have like therapists come and do this kind
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: of stuff. And at the time, I feel like I
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: didn't care for it because he just made it seem lame.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: Like, That's because it was from him.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: But I understand more so over my time the importance
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: of the mental aspect of things as well.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: Maybe if someone could explain to him or if you
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: could have a conversation about what goes wrong when he competes. Yeah.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: Like what are the thought process when he competes and
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: what could be done different to change that thought? Like
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: to combat them when those thoughts come up. Yeah. To
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: have a tool. Yeah. Have a mental toolbox where you go, no, no, no. Yeah.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: We're not going to entertain this kind of negativity. We're
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: going to stay positive. We're going to stay zen. You know,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: the most important things, don't ever give in to anxiety.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: Don't let it get to you. Don't let it follow you.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: You're positive. You're breathing. You're moving. You're a killer. Keep
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: moving and just have someone with him maybe initially to
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: coach him through those movements.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: I wish there was some, again, but again, also maybe the.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: The gym that he's in with us at London Shoot,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: that's not a thing.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: We beast.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: And the thing is, he still looked amazing up until
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: the fight. He'd get to the fight and you'd be like, bro,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: I can't wait for people to see this. And he'd
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: get there and you're like, what are you doing, man?
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: And it was frustrating because he was still super talented.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: He won one and I think he lost the next
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: one and then that was it. But even his previous
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: fights before that, he's got some exceptional fights.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: But just never. Not what he's capable of doing.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: I've never seen what I've seen in the gym on stage.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: Wow. Never seen.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: And he still got signed to the UFC. Just because
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: he was still talented. And obviously somebody saw his talent
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: and was like, yeah, I want that. And nobody's ever
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: seen what I've seen this guy do. And all of
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: our teammates are like, if you'd have seen that, everybody
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: would be throwing money at this guy. Just make sure
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: he's on the next card.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. Yeah. It's really crazy. Yeah. Because it seems
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: to be like that in almost every sport, but in
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: fighting in particular. Because it's the biggest mental hurdle. You know,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: there's no team to fall back on. There's no, I
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: guess we lost tonight, boys. No, you got fucked up
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: in front of the whole world. And that's the sport
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: that you're in. You're in the sport with the highest
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: highs and the lowest lows. So that pressure is just,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: it's unexplainable to the average person. Yeah, you can't explain it, really.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: This is why I try my best to focus on
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: the element of fun. Cause I feel like when I'm in,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: when I'm dancing, smiling, laughing, joking, everything slows down and
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: everything's enjoyable.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: There's no stress.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: And anytime I feel slightly stressed, you might see me dance,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: which is interesting because people just think I'm just doing
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: it for the other person to mock the other person.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: And sometimes it's just, I just stay chill, man.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: You're here.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: You're here.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: Like you don't need to do anything more than this. Right.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: If I feel like a little bit like, oh, that
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: was a bit, and my mind starts going, no, no, no, no,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: let's shake it off. Get into this, get into your
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: mode again and then go back to enjoying yourself. That's my,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: but I know that some people need to be in
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: this angry state and just, you know, psych themselves into it.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: And I don't even need to be angry at my opponent.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: And I think that comes from the fact that I
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: used to have to fight my siblings. It's never, it's
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: not based on anger. I love them. Like, but, My
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: dad is, he would say like, yeah, that's not your
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: sibling on the map, but straight afterwards, make sure you
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: pick that person up, make sure they're good. And again,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: my brother would beat me up. My other brother would
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: beat me up. My sister would beat me up. Everybody,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: but I still had love for them. So I don't,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: I've never needed anger to thing. And, and the fact
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: that my family did this thing and even my nephews
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: and stuff now, we still, they still, it's generational. It's
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: just something that keeps us all together. And we're so close.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: It's not based on being angry. just based on learning something,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: enjoying something, and doing it with people that you love.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: So that's why I can make it fun. Everyone loves
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: this whole tense, and I don't.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: I think what a lot of people don't understand, too,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: is the hardest part of it is the day of
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: the fight. It's not the fight. Once a fight starts happening,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: then you're there. You're in it. You're in it. And
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: it's not scary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Unless you're getting fucked up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: When you're getting fucked up and you know the end
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: is near. You want to see ultimate bravery. Khalil Roundtree
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: in the last round with Pereira, when Pereira's putting it
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: on him, that's ultimate bravery. Because he knows he's getting
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: fucked up. He knows he doesn't have much time. There's
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: nowhere out. His skill set is all in stand-up. I mean,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: he can take guys to the ground, but at this point,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: that's not going to happen. It's not happening. And his
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: face is broken up. And Pereira's doing that cobra thing
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: where he gets cobra style. He leans back and slams in. Beautiful. Oh,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: it was terrifying. But that kind of bravery in front
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: of the whole world, a lot of people, they're not
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: sure if they have that. Yeah, fair. And so there's
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: just the pressure of that in front of the whole
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: world like that.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: So maybe they're in there just like, just do enough,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: just do enough.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: Exactly. They're scared. Which shrinks you. And sometimes super-duper talented
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: people are the most scared because it kind of came
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: too easy for them. There's a thing about super-duper talented
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: people that for some reason... like that gift comes with
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: a curse and that curse is that it came to
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: you too easily.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: So you never really develop on the grind.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The real will and drive to like overcome, just
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: make these little tiny wins every day to pile onto
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: a skillset. You're just a lightning bolt, you know, you're
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: a lightning bolt. And then, you know, when it's time
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: to actually fight, you're like, You don't know if you've
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: been tested. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't know who you
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: are yet. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: I think I get that a lot, though, as in
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: people are always like, he's just naturally talented. And only
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: when I tell people that I used to get my
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: ass handed to me.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: But this is the thing that I've always said. Guys
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: who grow up with brothers, especially older brothers who can
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: kick their ass, they're ready to fight at all times
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: because they're fighting in their fucking house they're ready to
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: fight with guys who can beat them up their whole
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: life yeah yeah just that alone like sets you up
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: for competition in a different way than someone like i
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: grew up my sister we didn't fight yeah it's like
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: nobody beat me up at all it's totally different because
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: you're you're accustomed to being around hostile males who are dominating.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah was it older or younger though Younger sister.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, because my older sister would still beat me up.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: My sister never got into martial arts. I was the
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: only one in the family who got into it. Oh, okay, okay, okay.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: But if I did, if I grew up with a
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: bunch of brothers, I'm sure we'd be beating the fuck
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: out of each other. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: Weird enough, we had to do it. There's one thing, again,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: you'd always say, this is not for out here. This
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: is for in there. If you've got an issue, verbalize it.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: And if you still have an issue, we can sort
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: it out in there.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: But yeah. I'd be annoyed. We'd have fights every now
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: and again, but nothing crazy. But it's just the accustomed,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: being accustomed to just constant back and forth. How about
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: fuck you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like it's in your house.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: It's in your house. It's where you sleep. I was
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: the wind-up. Oh yeah?
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: But I couldn't fight, so I had to do it
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: some other way.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: So you had to talk some shit. Yeah, talk some shit.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: You also have to be a little tougher because you're
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: the smaller one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's part of the thing,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: you know? What's crazy about Jon Jones is his brother...
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: He's got two older brothers, no? Well, I think one
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: of them is younger. Isn't Chandler younger? but they're all beasts.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: So you're growing up in a house of beasts. You
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: better be ready for some hostility. You got to be
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: ready for some aggression. There's a giant benefit of that
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: as far as mindset, because the mindset, you're accustomed to hostility.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: All his brothers are super freaks, just giant athletes. And
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: so you know he's in this house with highly competitive
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: males his whole life yeah so you're totally accustomed to
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: competition whereas with some people competition is like super overwhelming
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: and it's this it's a test you don't want to
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: take you almost don't want to find out if you're
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: good enough.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: I think school even the school system has like they
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: slowly over the years they slowly taken out certain things
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: that allows challenges people in a way that gives them
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: that gift of being competitive and especially in the UK,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: I don't, I'm not sure about in the States, but
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: in the UK, we, they, they changed the rules. This
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: was just after I would have left to, um, not
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: allowed to pick teams because.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: Because then people will feel bad if they got picked last.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: I'm like, if you're shit, I'm not picking you.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: Get better at your... This is real life. That's how
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: it works in real life. That bad feeling of getting
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: picked last. Lionel Richie was talking about that yesterday. Oh, serious? Yes.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: Lionel Richie, before he was in a band, it was
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: always like, he was the last one to get picked
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: for this. He was the last one. He was talking
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: about that openly. But look, that's what created Lionel Richie. 100%. Yeah.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: And again, I think we... Again, over there, I'm not
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: sure here, but we model... Molly Cuddle, like... Yes. The kids.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: And then they think you surround them in cotton wool.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: And then the real life hits them and they're just like, what?
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: It's the opposite of Yoel Romero. Yeah, exactly. You become
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: a machine. It's the opposite. It's the opposite of that.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: I think I was talking to my brother as well
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: earlier about how they say, I forget the saying, it's
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: like tough men create good times, good times, and the
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: whole cycle of that. And it's very true, though. We're
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: creating too much good times for people. And everybody's complaining
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: about everything.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: Exactly. When things are really good, the problem is whatever
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: is bad, even mildly, becomes a giant thing. Then you're
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: dealing with microaggressions at work. People get crazy. They look
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: for all kinds of grievances everywhere they go. When you're...
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: are involved in like hard competition you're not interested in
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: any of that stuff at all because it's just a
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: giant distraction the real thing is so difficult and that's
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: why I think even though it's uncomfortable for kids I
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: think like wrestling in high school any kind of competitive
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: sports in high school martial arts especially 100% I've been
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: an advocate for ages so valuable for you.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: For ages I've been saying this like just it's okay
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: to lose it's okay to lose it's actually good for
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: you very good for you and you need to learn
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: this kind of stuff like I said as soon as
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: you As soon as they're out of your care, they
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: have to experience that anyway. You can't, you're not, and
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: I used to do this even when I was teaching.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: We're teaching a jab or something, teaching a jab and
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: we're doing slipping drills. And you're jabbing like this. I
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: was like, you're not helping anybody by jabbing away from
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: their face because now this guy thinks he's amazing at
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: slipping punches.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: And then we make him smart and he's like, doosh, doosh.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: Move your fucking head I'll do what I usually do.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: So I'm like it's better that you hit him in
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: the gym so then when they go out into the
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: real world or they go into a competition and whatever
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: they can actually they're actually good at these drills that
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: I'm giving you you're not helping by trying to be
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: helpful you don't have to hit hard but be accurate
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: get them used to it and then slowly speed up
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: yeah and bro I say this all the time but
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: it's exactly the same thing people need to go through
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: those actual trials and tribulations in certain areas so that
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: then they can be ready for it later on.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: 100%. And this idea of protecting them and everybody gets
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: a participation trophy. That's so bad for... That feeling of
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: bad from losing is beneficial. It's just like the feeling
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: of being tired after you work out. That's how you
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: get in shape. It's all good for you. Exactly. It's
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: all good for you. You're getting into an emotional shape.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: But this is why I feel a lot of people...
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: Trying to take shortcuts for everything. Nobody really wants to
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: do the hard work.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: It's the Olympic world. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nobody wants to
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: do the hard work.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: And I get it if it's really excessive. You let
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: it get to a certain point. And it's like, okay,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: you need at least some help to get to a
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: certain point to then work out.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: But you need to work. You need to work. And
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: it's good for your brain. Your brain is... We have...
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, a whole series of human reward systems
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: that are built into our brains from the times that
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: we were all living in tribes, thousands and thousands of
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: years ago. This brain, it requires tasks. There's things, it's
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: like enforced in your brain that if you go out
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: and you make arrowheads and you hunt the deer, you
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: have food. Your family's surprised, so you have tasks. So
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: you're whittling the stick and you're into it. And you
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: better be fucking into it. Because if you're not into it,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna eat. So if you have a life
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: where there's none of those things, And you're sitting there
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: in front of Netflix. Of course you're depressed. Of course
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: you're depressed. Your body's not getting any of the stuff
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: that it needs. Your mind isn't getting any of the
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: tasks that it needs.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: Someone was telling me it's the reptilian mind that looks
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: for dangers or seeks dangers because we're not in a
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: society that has those dangers.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: We look at dangers.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: Our dangers are now this person looked at me funny
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: or this person.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: Or even worse, your phone.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's even easier now.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: People are commenting on you. Oh, the haters are getting
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: me today.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: To be fair it's funny the first time this was
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: still earlier so my comments were from YouTube initially I
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: had an Instagram but I didn't really use it like
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: that so after my first fight I was super pumped
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: I'm like because like I said to you I was
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: so nervous after my first fight and I always say
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: I always say look if you watch all of my
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: walkouts have been like yeah vibes yeah yeah I'm just
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: happy to be here my first fight I.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: Was like this.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: I was dying inside joe just like what in my
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: head literally i was like why did i decide to.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: Do this why am i here but what.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: I was stressed the whole walk was the most the
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: longest walk and you've never seen me so tense and
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: then the second i got in there and the bell
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: rang i was like oh yeah same thing okay Then
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: I started to feel myself and the vibe, my energy started,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: the MVP that we obviously come to know now came out.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: And that was, for me, that was just like, that
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: was great. But in terms of, I just lost.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: Raul, go ahead. You lost what you're talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: No worries, it happens all the time. But that was
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: interesting that then the second fight, was the one that
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: really overwhelmed you.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: That was the second fight in the UFC that overwhelmed me.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: So the first fight you ever had was when you
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: walked out. That's when I walked out. The first fight
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: you ever had.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: So that was me against, no not UFC, me versus Dishman.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: And I just walked out and seriously, I just had
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: nothing but fear inside me.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: And what kind of athlete was he? What did he do?
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure he was a kickboxer or something.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: Didn't see my first fight.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: We had, I had like, I think three pullouts before
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: I got to that fight. Like three weeks before, three
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: different people. And at that level, it happens all the time.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: And I had fights online. So my coach was like,
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: are you able to take these down? I'm like, they're
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: randomly filmed from so many random people.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: So like, I wouldn't even know how to, where to
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: begin to, find out to try and get them taken down.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: So I just, if.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: Anybody did research, they would see that I've got, I
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: had like a 720 kick. So it made sense why
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: people was pulling out.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: For people that don't understand what that means, that's not
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: a 360 degree kick. This is one of them. This
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: wasn't even the first time I did it. Where is it? Yes.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: Is it coming up? It'll be after this. Okay, yeah. Okay,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: it's going to be. Yeah, I said just before this,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: just before this. That's crazy. That's such a crazy kick.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: That dude is sitting there going, how the fuck did
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: he hit me with that? He put his hands on
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: his knees and everything. Like, how the fuck did he
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: pull that off?
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: So I understand why people would look at that and
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: be like, no, not yet. But this guy stepped in
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: and yeah, like I just, I felt so bad, negative
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: going forward, walking in.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: But then once I was in there, but.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you see the walkout, but even how I'm,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: even here, I'm super tensed. Like it was only until
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: I started bouncing that it was even a thing.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: What was the thing that was bothering you the most
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: about doing this? Just my decision.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: Like, why did I do this?
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know specifically. Oh, but once you got loose.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, once I got in there, I was like, oh, cool.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: He had an obvious game plan. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: He was trying to take me down.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: He wasn't strong. So I was like, yeah, I'll just
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: push off. I was feeling good. And I think after
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: he felt my strength, he was like, okay. He kind
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: of stood back.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: That's such a problem. It's such a problem. I'm watching
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: you move here, and I'm thinking, like, what do you do? Oh,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: you can't do anything. You can't do anything because he's
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: so far away from you. Like that, when you try
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: to close a distance on him, or rather he tries
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: to close a distance on you, and he just can't.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: He just can't get close. Like, look at that. That's
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: just nuts. That's a terrible puzzle to try to solve
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: in real life. Wow, look at that dive. That's pretty good, though.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: You got to hold your ankle. I mean, that shows
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: you how much you wanted that takedown. Yep. Until this happens. Oh, boy.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: The best part is just the standing there. That's amazing.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: Look at this. This is amazing. That is amazing. That's
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: the best not walk-off KO ever. Right? That's a standoff KO. Like,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: you realize. That's crazy. You didn't even look at him.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: That's amazing.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: It was funny when people asked me, like, why did
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: you stand there?
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: Like, what if he came back?
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: I was like, I landed the kick and I stood
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: still and I was thinking he might come back so
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: I could spin the other way and land another kick.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: That was the game.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: And then when he just, the referee stepped in, I.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: Was like, perfect.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: This looks good.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: This looks good. It did look good.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: It looks slick as fuck. But that's the thing, I went, okay,
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: that's where I remember I was going. I went crazy
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: viral for that. Everyone's like, who's this guy? And I was,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: I was like, because of the relief that I had
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: because of how tense I was, I was like, Oh
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: my God, like that was for me ticking the box
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: that I can actually do this. I can actually make
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: a career of this. Cause I wasn't sure.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: And got home. What did you jump online?
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: Like, I want to, I want to see, like, I'm
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: seeing a video of like crazy thousands of like comments
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: and this and that.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: Like, okay. Yeah.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: Maybe the next comment, maybe the next one.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: Nope.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, people don't like me.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: They didn't like you for that video?
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: I felt like I had murdered someone child.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: For that video? Yeah. Okay.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: It just shows you why you shouldn't read comments. No, 100%.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: Because you're only getting the opinions of the dumbest motherfuckers alive.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: If you just saw that. So let me tell you
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: my thought when I saw that. Because when that clip
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: went viral, I went, finally. This is proof of what
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: I've been saying for a long time. They have a
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: different thing. The really elite point fighters have a totally
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: different thing. And you can't even get close to hitting them.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: And we're seeing that now. That was the beginning of it.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: Because even though... Raymond had really good success in glory. Yeah,
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: he was amazing, yeah. He did a great success in glory,
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: but it was different, right? Because you're in a small ring,
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: it's roped off, and he wasn't accustomed to leg kicks yet.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: He had that one spectacular jumping side kick, spin back
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: kick to the face.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: He nearly hit me with one of those. He was
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: very famous for his double back kicks.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: And then every now and again, he would hook it.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: He's knocked people out in the points game. And everyone's
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: seen it. And I remember, I think it was the
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: first time I fought him. And I was young, but
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: I had a reputation. He was the guy over in
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: America that had a reputation. And we've collided. I was like,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: I don't care who this guy is, man. I was
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: feeling myself. I was killing everybody for ages. I remember faking, moving, moving,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: moving around, moving around, faking, faking, got him in the corner.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, perfect. Boom, blitz. Same thing. I
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: was like, something's off. Boom, did this.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: But both, normally the first kick is light.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: Both stamps. I was like, shit.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: Not only was that fast, but that was powerful as well.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: And that just got into my head. It threw me
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: right off. I didn't want to commit to any of
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: my strikes. And just from the first moment he let
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: that go, I was just like, yeah.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: It was very dangerous. Dangerous. Very dangerous. Dangerous, dangerous. And
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: he was another guy that, like, you know, proved that
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: point that this is a completely different skill set. And
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: if you don't know how to deal with that, you're
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: in real– It took the elite guys. It took like
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: the Nicky Holskins and the Joseph Valtellinis, those guys, to figure...
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: Nicky was beast. Yeah. Just chop the legs. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: And Nicky was so technical. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was tight,
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: hands up high, chop the leg, chop the leg. He
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: was a beast. Yeah. Chopping the legs, man, is a
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: totally different ballgame. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As soon as the
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: legs start getting chopped, you're like, oh. You can't bounce anymore.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: But that's the thing.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: It's weird because I started to utilize that as a
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: way to.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: Win fights. Weird.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: Not obviously taking the leg kicks, but only giving you
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: that option. So everyone's like, yeah, but that's an awkward style.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, but when I stand in front
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: of you like that, you don't think to do a
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: punch because I feel way too far away. So you're
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: not doing a punch. The only thing you have is
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: what's in front of you is a kick. So it's like,
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: I got used to timing kicks as you're kicking, collision,
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: going in, or just pulling just off and then putting
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: my foot in slightly deeper. And then just pulling off
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: and then putting my foot in slightly deeper. Now I
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: know I can pull this trigger when I'm ready. And
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: you're getting more and more demoralized because you're not landing.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: You're throwing a kick, you're swinging around. And there's only
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: one thing available.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: And there's only one thing available. So I have to
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: keep pressing that same button.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: Right. And the idea of you shooting on... It feels far. Yeah,
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: too far. It feels very far. Well, that's the Hamzat thing.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: It's like Hamzat shoots from the middle of the fucking octagon.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: That guy's got a crazy shot. That shot he hit
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: Whitaker with and the one he hit with... Who was it? Oh,
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: the leech. When he picked up the leech, he picked
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: him up, carried him over to Dana White. And it's like,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: I kill everybody. Like, whoa, this is nuts. He was
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: another guy. They're like, how the fuck are you making 170? Yeah,
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: he's a big boy. When I first met him, I
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: was like, what are you talking about? You're not 170. Yeah,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: big boy. I fucking hate the weight cutting. I hate it.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: I hate it with a passion. I hate it more
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: than anything in the sport. I think it should be eliminated,
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: but it's too late. Yeah. I don't think... I think
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: people should get down to a healthy weight and fight
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: at the healthiest weight, whatever the hell that is. Do
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: you think there would be a way to combat that?
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: Because obviously in boxing, you have to weigh in multiple
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: times now.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: Well, some fighters make you do that. Like Gervonta Davis,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: he made Ryan Garcia do that. He wanted to make
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: sure that Ryan Garcia didn't rehydrate. Mayweather did that to Canelo, too.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: It's just a G move. Yeah, that's smart. That's when
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: you're the A side. You're the smaller, you're the A side. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: I'll fight you, but you've got to weigh 143 when
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: you get in that fucking ring, bitch. Guys will take
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: that fight for that big paycheck, but it's not a
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: good move. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I just think that
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: it's legalized cheating. I just think that it's cheating. Look,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: if you're a 155 pound champion, but you weigh 190 pounds,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: that's kind of crazy. I agree.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: And if I didn't have to wake up, because if
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: you don't join in, you're fighting monsters.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: That's true. But. they would have to fight monsters too.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: Everybody would have to fight a person that weighs what
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: they actually weigh.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: No, I agree with that. But I'm just saying with
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: the fact that people are weight cutting.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: When I got to this arena, I'd prefer to just
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: report what I weighed at.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: But because everyone's weight cutting, I was like, you have to.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: You have to. You have to do it. Because you'll
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: look like. When you were fighting at 170, for people
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: that understand, I'm short. That's 30 pounds less than me.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's crazy. That's just a giant advantage that
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: you can't give up. And when you're doing that across
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: every single weight class and every single world championship, the
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: last guy that I know that didn't cut weight was
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: Frankie Edgar when he was a 155-pound champ. When Frankie
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: Edgar was a 155-pound champ, he weighed 155, and he
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: moved like a ghost. He was all over the place.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: He was fast as fuck. He had great endurance. His
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: recovery was incredible because he could take a great shot
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: because he wasn't dehydrated like everybody else was. That's the thing.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: I actually feel great at middleweight. Yeah. You definitely have
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: the size for it. Yeah.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: I'm naturally that way. But it's weird, though, because people's
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: body types, because they are cutting, they're still slightly stuck.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: Not necessarily frame-wise as big as me. But they're just
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: slightly stockier. And obviously, as you say, the guys that
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: want to come in and just go, yeah.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: They just want to clinch and get you down. It's
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: a giant advantage.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: It's an advantage if they're going to be that much
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: heavier than me as well. Moving people. Even in my
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: last fight, when I got taken down in that last round,
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: trying to Against Kananir, trying to move him.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: I was just like, Jesus. Kananir's huge. He's a big boy.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: And he's one of the only guys that's got KOs
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: in three different weight classes. I know, I know. From heavyweight,
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: light heavyweight, middleweight. Heavyweight, light heavyweight, and middleweight. Yeah, beast.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: He's huge for 185. But it's another perfect example. And
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: I think, look, there's something to be said for the
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: ritual of doing it for a lot of fighters. It
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: means a lot, and you can choose anything. to cut
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: less so that you're more healthy the day of the fight.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: But everyone kind of concedes that you have to cut something.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: And I just don't think that's smart 24 hours before
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: a fight in a cage. Why would you deplete your
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: body purposely? Because it's basically like getting drunk. It really is.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: You're dehydrating the shit out of your body. Seeing people
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: just look a mess. And you only have three, five,
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: 40 hours to rehydrate between the weigh-ins and the time
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: you're actually going to fight. If you're lucky, you have
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: 40 hours. That's not enough time. Yeah, I can do it.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: I don't care to do it. I can do it.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: I agree with you. You have to do it. If
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: everybody was like, okay, let's all just do it at
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: our weights.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: Well, imagine if people did dehydrate and rehydrate it and
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: we started calling it cheating. You know what I mean?
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, it would be if people got caught and
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: they looked at it the same way people look at
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: people getting caught with steroids. Fair, fair, fair. Because the
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: reality is right now you can't do it because of
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: the weight class limitations. There's too many weight classes where, like,
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: Where you're at. So 85 to 205, that's nuts. That's
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: 20 pounds. That's so... And for maybe people who've never grappled,
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: they don't know what that means or never been punched,
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: they don't know what that means, but that's a giant
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: amount of fucking horsepower and gravity on top of you.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: And so if you've got weight classes at a reasonable... space.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: Like I feel like 10 pounds is good. I feel
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: like every 10 pounds, you can go 45, 55, 65, 75.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: And if you're in between, you either add muscle or
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: you lose weight and you'd stop lifting as much weights
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: and do more cardio. You'll get down to that, right?
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: But that's what you are, what you actually are. And
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: if we did that, there would have to be some
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: sort of a hydration thing where they just show up
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: and weigh you. Yeah. Like, you know, like people show
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: up and drug test you now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: drug-free sport. They'll just knock on your door. Hey, Venom,
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: what's up? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can you pee in this? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: Let's talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: That makes sense to me.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just show up. What do you weigh? Get on
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: the scale. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you get on
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: the scale. 190? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bro, you are a Bantamweight.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: This is crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because there's dudes that
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: are out there doing that. Oh, no, 100%. We always
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: talk about Glace and T-Bowl. When Gleason Tebow was 155 pounders,
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: he looked like a bodybuilder. He looked like he weighed
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: 200 pounds when he got into the cage. It was nuts, man.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the rehydration. I've seen people cut ridiculous amounts. And then, yeah,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: like you said, the way they rehydrate.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: It's terrible. But it's also a lie. You're not 155 pounds.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: You're 200 pounds. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what you actually weigh.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: And I understand why you do it. I understand why
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: everybody does it. But there's got to be a better way. Yeah.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: The worst I ever saw was Travis Luter when he
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: fought Anderson Silva. I don't remember that one. He lost,
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: but he had Anderson down. Travis Luter was an elite
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: black guy. belt. Yeah. And he was in the ultimate fighter. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: Wins the ultimate fighter. I mean, dominates everybody. Dominates people
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: on the ground. Everybody that I talked to trained with him.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: It was like guys on a whole other level as
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: far as jiu-jitsu.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: And the day of the weigh-in, he can't make the weight, man.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: And he's so dehydrated that his lips are cracked. Yeah,
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: I see. And- He's not walking to the scale, he's shuffling.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: And I'm watching him, and he missed the first time,
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: and then this is like one of the second or
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: third time that he tried to make weight, and he
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: eventually didn't make weight. So even if he beat Anderson,
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't have won the title. But, bro, he had
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: him down, and he was on top of him in
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the round. And for anybody that's ever
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: rolled with Travis... If he was healthy and he has
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: you down on the ground, you're fucksville. That guy's good.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: He was really good. But it was just the weight
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: was way too much. He was just drained. And then
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: 24 hours later, you're supposed to fight one of the
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: greatest fighters of all time.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: And it depletes the liquid around your brain as well.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: So you're taking a shot, so you're not going to
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: take it as well. Exactly. Yeah, it's a lot. Yeah,
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: I agree. You're tired. Your endurance sucks. Everything's all fucked up.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: Everything's all fucked up.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: But that's why I get down very close to my
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: weight because on fight week, I'm very low.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: Like, what do you weigh? If you're fighting 185, what
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: are you weighing fight week?
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: 185 is easier, though, so 190.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's great. Yeah, yeah. Like, I don't like to
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: cut to it. What about 170, when you're at 170?
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: I get down to probably about 182, 183.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: Not that bad. Not that bad, and then cut down
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: from there. That's not that bad. Yeah, again, I don't
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: like to overstress myself. Pereira weighed in at 185 and
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: fought at 220. He's massive. Fought at 220. Yeah. Weighed
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: in at 85, fought at 220. Yeah.
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: Like you said, that's a lot.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: That's insane. That's a lot. That's insane. Yeah. That's so
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: much fucking weight. And what does that do to you? Yeah.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: I've seen people. I can't even remember what fight it was.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: It was in Bellator. And he was banging the sauna
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: to get out and his coach was holding the door.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, God. You need five more minutes. Oh, my God.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: And the guy is kicking the door. He's like, I'm
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: never doing that. I don't ever want to.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: Feel like that. That's so crazy. Yeah, it's too much.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: So many guys black out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I've
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: seen people passing out and stuff. Brian Ortega was just
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: in an interview talking about that. He essentially like almost
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: like– how did he describe it? It was like 30
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: minutes where he was like in real trouble for his
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: last weight cut. Yeah, he's like– It's just, he just
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: got really wrecked. People have blacked out before.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 2: There was a lady that fell off the stage, fell
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: off the scales, wasn't it? She stepped back off the
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: scales and then just, her legs just went.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't remember. 30 minute coma. Oh, sugar. Due
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: to his weight cut for Aljamain Sterling. Holy shit.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: But he missed, he keeps, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: too much for him.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know why.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: Why doesn't he just go up?
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the problem is the guys at 55 are jacked.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: I think he just, he dialed in his diet though.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: He looks a lot thinner now. Like he showed, pull
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: up some of those photos he's got on his Instagram.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: He's been taking photos lately. Like he just, he realized
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: like he can never do that again. So he's lost
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of body fat. Oh, that's good.
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: I think sometimes that is the discipline of it as well. Yeah,
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: look at him now.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: Look at him now. Way, way leaner. Big difference. That's
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: where he needs to be. He hasn't been like that
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: in ages. Yeah. That's where he needs to be. A
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: hundred percent. You know, he likes to live that good life. Same.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: Even when you said about, like, having, like, random weight checks,
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: it'd make me consider a certain burger sometime.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they would have to give you an out-of-shape clause. No,
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: of course, of course. You know, like, give you, like, 10,
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: 15 pounds in between fights. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: once you start training, they should be able to randomly
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: show up during those six weeks and go, all right, Michael,
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: get on the scale. Yeah. 174. I agree with that. Okay,
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: good to go. Good to go. We're inside of six pounds.
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: Because what you actually cut, what you're saying at 85
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: is perfect in my opinion. That's nothing. I don't like
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: to be. Five pounds is just a good weight sauna session.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: It's not that much. You're not losing a ton of weight.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: You're not killing yourself. Maybe you ride the bike for
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: a half hour. What do you do?
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: I literally do a 30-minute jog. It's like really low
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: with a sauna suit on. Straight away, I take that off,
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: go straight into the sauna, 15 minutes, then wrap, 15 minutes,
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: then wrap, and I'm done.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: See, that's perfect. That's actually probably therapeutic. It's not bad
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: for you at all. That's probably actually very good for
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: you because you're giving your body all this recovery from
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: the sauna and you're getting a nice little cardiovascular workout
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: but nothing crazy. You're giving yourself a lot of heat
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: shock proteins. You're not killing yourself. But there's guys, man,
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: I've seen them and they look like, okay, here's the
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: worst one. The worst one. Other than Travis. Travis was
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: the worst because I watched him shuffle backstage but The
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: visuals is TJ Dillshaw when he went down to Flyweight.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: He fought Henry Cejudo at Flyweight, and he looked like
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: a dead man. Yes, I remember this. He looked like
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: a hostage that had just gotten released and had not
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: been fed. Yeah, just fed for ages. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: He looked fucking terrible. Because he gets quite jacked as well. Yeah,
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: he fucked up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He fucked up. Look
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: at what he looked like on the left. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. That picture right there. That's what I mean.
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: He's quite big there. Right, but that picture is fucking crazy.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: That's a prisoner of war. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: That's not a guy. Look at what he looks like now.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: That's what I mean. Yeah, well, now he's a fucking tank.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: Now he's a tank. The one on the right is
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 1: not fair because that's after he's retired. Yeah, he's finished now.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: He's probably $ 1. 65 now. He's fucking jacked. He's massive. But
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: he's another guy that doesn't get. the credit that he deserves.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: When he fought Hannon Burrell. I love this style. Pure
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: flow style. Pure flow.
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 2: But it's the level changes of the up and down.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: You don't know where he's attacking. It's not linear.
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 2: It's not just I'm going here or I'm going here.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: Switching stances constantly. I used to love watching his style.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: Have you ever talked to Ludwig? No. Oh, you should
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: meet Dwayne Bang Ludwig. Okay. And talk to him. Because
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: Dwayne is the one who coached him in that style. Dwayne,
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: who was an elite kickboxer himself and fought in the UFC...
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: One point in time, I had the fastest ever knockout
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: in the UFC. I think it was a five or
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: six second knockout in the UFC. It was one of
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: the fastest ever. Just step back, one right hand, blam.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: But Dwayne was a beast. But maybe even better than
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: he is as a fighter, he is as a coach.
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: And he doesn't have that style. This is what's crazy.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: He devised that style. So this is Dwayne. Watch this.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 1: There it is. Nice. So you could call it six seconds.
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: I don't even think it was six. I don't even
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: think it was six. But the point is, Dwayne's style,
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: like he learned from Bas Rutten and, you know, it
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: was like Dutch kickboxing style. But he realized, like Dwayne
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: is like this consummate studier of fighting. And he realized
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: that the best way to fight is is to overwhelm
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: them with possibilities and options, but have a whole system
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: of how to do that. So his system is all
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: about switching stances and combinations while you're switching, and turning
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: and moving, but he's got it mapped out. The dude
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: came over to my place with like a binder, like
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: this thick binder of techniques, and he's full on egghead
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: with this shit. And TJ and him just locked up.
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: And the fruits of that labor was the Hennen-Barau fight.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: Go to that fight, Jamie. Because I feel like this
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: was one of the finest championship performances at the time.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: I thought it was the best I had ever seen.
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: Of a guy who was an underdog going into a fight.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: Hennenborough at that time, a lot of people thought was
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: the pound for pound best. It was him and Jose Aldo.
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: They were talking about those two guys together. And TJ
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: just went in there and worked them. I mean, it
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: was like a sparring match. He went in there super loose,
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 1: just moving around and started cracking them. Yeah, it's a
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: fun watch though. Just get me in there. So this
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: is like, Hennenborough was the boogeyman. Everybody was scared of
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: this dude. He was so fucking good.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 2: Look how he starts, look how he starts.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: Ooh, step in with an uppercut. Just movement, constant movement,
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: overwhelming you. And look, always on the tips of his toes,
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: moving around. He didn't back up at all, and never
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: gave Hennenborough the chance to get some momentum going. And
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: at the end, when he eventually stopped him, I mean,
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: it was just a fucking ruthless combination when he took
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: him out of there. But, like, if you knew how
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: difficult it is to be... Look at that right hand,
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: right off the bat, in the first round. At this point,
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: Hennenborough's like, oh, no. Yeah, I'm in problems. Yeah, because
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: nobody had thought that TJ was going to be capable
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: of doing this. TJ, you know... was a really good
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: up-and-coming fighter, a really good contender, but this was his
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: finest performance, and it was in a world championship fight.
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 1: Against a guy that everybody thought was the man. And
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: TJ just beat that ass. And if you go further,
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: see if you can go to the actual stoppage, Jamie,
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: further in the fight. When he, at this point in time,
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: TJ's just styling on him. Just standing right in front
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: of him and popping him. Look at that. Not getting hit.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: Staying right in range. Dropping down. Head movement. Yeah. Oh,
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: look at that head kick. Beautiful. Oh, my goodness. Beautiful.
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: Look at this. And it's artistic. It's fucking beautiful, man. Yeah,
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: I love it. It's a beautiful stoppage. Yeah. Like, one
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: of the best championship winning performances in the history of
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: the sport. Yeah, yeah, easy. In the history of the sport. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Beautiful. Woo.
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: But that dude, unfortunately, had two bum shoulders. Oh, is
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: that what it was? Yeah, forever. He had, even when
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: he won the title, his shoulders were fucked. He had
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: torn supraspinatuses in both of his shoulders. It got to
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: the point where, he never got it fixed, It got
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: to the point where they're just popping out. So by
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: the time he fought Aljamain Sterling, he told the referee
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: in the locker room, my shoulder's going to go out
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 1: of socket. Oh yeah, yeah.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: That's crazy to go in there knowing that.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: So now he had to retire and he had multiple
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: operations on his shoulder and he can't even reach over
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: his head. He gets his arm that far. Like, that's
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: how fucked he is now. Three months ago. He's got
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: to get another one. Oh, yeah. You can see.
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: Geez.
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Get another soldiery. They're going to cut
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: off the head of my humerus and turn the head
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: into a plastic plunger. That sounds like a bit too much.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: I hate doing surgery for anything. He has the worst
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: shoulder injuries I've ever seen. I know there's been a lot.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: Was that from before? Yeah. It was from wrestling. Oh,
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: it was from wrestling. I think it's just from having
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: torn shoulders and just trying to rehab them and not
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: getting them surgically fixed. Okay, okay. You can have some
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: things loose in there and strengthen everything else up and
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: kind of be functional, but not if you're going to
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: be a world championship fighter. Fair, fair, fair. And the
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: problem with a lot of those things is once it
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: tears and pulls back, you can't get it back in place. Yeah.
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: So then you have really complicated surgeries where they have
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: to take a piece of your hamstring and stick it
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: up there or something. other part of your body and
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: reconstruct what was supposed to be there. And then you
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: have to slowly build range of motion into it. Like
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: he got to the point where he was too tough
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: for the injuries that he had, where he should have
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: probably got them fixed immediately. And maybe he could have
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: prolonged his career.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: It sounds like he just, he went back in, in
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: terms of getting back into training a bit too quickly.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: So I feel like the rehab can work.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: I know you obviously.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: There's certain things you're going to need surgery for, But
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of my stuff, I've managed to bring
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: it back.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: I don't think he had surgery until after he was
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: done fighting. Oh, so he didn't even have surgery? No,
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: he had surgery on one of his knees because he
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: blew his knee out in the Sanhagen fight. Or I
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: should say Sanhagen, after talking with Sanhagen about what happens
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: in that 50-50 position, Sanhagen blew his knee out. Oh, okay.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: So he put him in a position where if TJ
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: didn't give in, he was going to get his knee
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 1: fucked up. And he chose to get his knee fucked up.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: But that was Corey putting him in that position. I know.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: So he had to get an ACL reconstruction. But I
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: don't think he got the shoulder surgeries until after he
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: was done fighting. He might have gotten one and then
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: tried to fight again. But the problem is, like, his
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: shoulders were fucked, man. They were really fucked.
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: But that doesn't look fixed. Like, for you to be
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: having to.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no. It doesn't look fixed. But
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: I think that's all they could do with it. That bad?
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: I think it was that bad. I'm looking at an
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: article from right after that fight. It says his third
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: shoulder surgery since 2019. Okay, so that's when he started
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 1: getting them. And when was that fight? When was the
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: last fight that he had? That was, like, 2023? The
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: Aljo fight, I think, was 22? UFC 280? Mm-hmm. Is
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: it 2022? That's when this article came out. Okay, so
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: he had those shoulder surgeries, and then I know he's
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: had a ton since. And since, you know, like, you
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: look on his Instagram page, it's, like, every few months,
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: it's him in a sling.
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 2: Well, here we go, trying again. I know guys that are, like, surgery, surgery, surgery, surgery,
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: and they... It never seems to, I've never, unless I'm
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 2: forced to, I don't ever really go down a surgery route.
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: I always try and figure it out a different way.
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 2: Like I've had, weird enough, it was both my shoulders,
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: but one was a supraspinatus, the other one was rotator
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 2: cuff and kind of like some lat injury as well.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 2: But just slowly, to the point where I couldn't do
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: a pushup. When, in my last couple of, was it
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 2: Bellator fights? Yeah, my last few Bellator fights, I couldn't
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: do a pushup. I could still hit in certain angles,
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: so certain angles I was fine.
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: But I had no strength in that direction. While you
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 1: were fighting? While I was fighting, yeah, yeah. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: So literally, trying to get that, my arms would just
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: start shaking.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: I couldn't... Why didn't you do something about that before
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: you fought? I was doing, like, rehab. I was like,
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: as long as I can hit you, I'm fine. That's
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: so crazy. Going into a fight with that kind of
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: a major handicap. I've had worse, but... What's the worst?
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say it as an excuse, so...
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: But the.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: The day before my Ian Gary fight, I couldn't stand
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: on my left foot.
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 1: Why not?
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: Up till today, I don't understand it. I had the
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 2: UFC PI working everything. They did shock therapy. They did acupuncture.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 2: They were doing everything. And I literally had it. I
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: had a, if you see the fight, I literally had
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: ankle supports on. They said you're allowed the ankle support,
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: so you can't really have it taped. But I had
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: it taped under the ankle support. But obviously, I couldn't
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: just do one ankle.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: So you had to do both of them. So I
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: had to do both of them.
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 2: And yeah, just the day before the fight, I'm not
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 2: sure if I did anything when I was cutting weight,
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 2: like twinged it or something. But I don't remember anything
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: distinct happening. But I couldn't walk on my foot.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 1: So it was your ankle? You twisted your ankle?
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 2: It was my ankle or something. And they were working
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: on it.
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 1: Literally, I was trying... I was in. You don't have
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: a single instance where it went? I don't remember anything.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: All of a sudden it just hurt.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 2: It hurt the night before. Like when you woke up?
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 2: It hurt the night before. So on the way in,
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 2: it hurt. And I was walking around and I was like,
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: it's hurting. But it didn't feel like anything drastic. And
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: overnight it just got worse and worse and worse and worse.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 1: Probably exaggerated by the weight cut, right? Maybe, yeah.
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: And then literally the next day in the morning we
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: had to go to the P.I., I was, my coach
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 2: was like, bro, if you can't bounce here now, I'm
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: going to have to pull you flat. I was like,
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: there's no way I can get pulled from this fight.
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 2: It's not happening. I was like, it's not happening.
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 2: And I went out there and he's like, I'm bouncing,
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to adjust myself and bounce. And he had it,
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: they did the tape that he was going to use
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 2: for the fight and he said he'll come in and
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 2: do it again just before the fight. And yeah, it was,
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 2: I was just like, adjusting, adjusting. And obviously I had a,
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 2: Still had a great performance. Yeah, I had my, so
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: my guy, My videographer, Kishan, he filmed, we're doing a documentary,
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 2: so he's filmed all of it as well. I was
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 2: kind of like, I'll wait until it comes out as known,
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 2: but not even to say as an excuse because I
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: was able to adrenaline just, I'm in it now and fight.
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: But there were certain things I was being cautious of
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 2: and not wanting to do.
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it was just irritating.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 2: But that's probably the worst in terms of how close
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 2: to the fight it was because it's the day before.
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 2: I've had injuries in the build-up and I'm like, as
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 2: long as I can throw a punch and throw a kick,
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 2: I'll make it happen.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: That's the thing that people don't understand when they watch fights.
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: Sometimes guys, this is one of the things about the
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: rematch this weekend, Ancalaya versus Pereira, is that Pereira supposedly
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: had a fucked up left hand. and rotavirus before the
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: last fight. I believe it. He looked off. He looked off.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 1: He definitely didn't look himself. But Ankhalaev looked really good. 100%.
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 1: I don't want to take anything away from Ankhalaev. When
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 1: someone looks off, I'm always like, it's like Roy Jones.
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: People go, Roy Jones didn't fight anybody. No, no, no.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: Roy Jones fought everybody, but he made them look like
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 1: they were nobody because they were fighting Roy Jones. Exactly.
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: It's like, so is that what's going on? Like, is
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: Ankulayev that good? And so we don't know. So we
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 1: got to see him fight again.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 2: I'd only say no just because towards the fifth round,
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 2: it looked like Pereira could do some stuff. Like, it's like, okay,
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 2: you're actually now landing that calf kick a bit more now.
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 2: You're actually starting to do, it's like, why didn't you
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: start like that?
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 1: He didn't have the gas. Yeah, so. If you've got rotavirus,
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 1: your gas is very low and you probably, your energy
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 1: level feels very low.
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: So he's trying to be, he's conserving energy. So this
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: is what makes this fight interesting. so much more interesting
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: because hopefully he's had the camp he is. And Kalev
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: hopefully comes in looking exactly the same way he did
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: that last fight.
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or better. Or better. He's going to be better
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: because he's going to be the champion. I think there's
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 1: a thing that happens and Daniel Cormier has expressed this too.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 1: It's like a 30% bump when you become the champion.
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: You know like when you were talking about when you
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 1: won that tournament and also you were better. I think
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: there's that when you get the championship. Hopefully you're going
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: to get to experience that. Yes. You'll get to experience
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 1: that bump. But this is I feel like that's just,
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: we're gonna have to see. And it's a very intriguing one.
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: Because Pereira, if you heard his left hand, That's the
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: doom punch. Exactly. That left hook, that's depth. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: That's the one. That's the one. If you look at
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 1: his highlight reel, there's so many left hooks. When he
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: catches people with that. Even when he grazed like Jamar Hill. Yeah.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: I still don't get it now. He grazed him. He's
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: got a hell of a punch on him, man. And
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: he put him out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Yuri Prohaska
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: one at the end of the first round. Yuri was like, yo.
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: And then he head kicks him in the beginning of
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: the second. Yeah. He's got ferocious power. Ferocious power. That
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: head kick was fast. Yeah. That head kick was fast
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 1: as well. Boy, I hope he's healthy. But I heard
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: he's super heavy coming into this week. Oh, is it?
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: I heard he's like 230 going into this week. Yeah.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: But for him... I guess he's got a lot to cut. Yeah.
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 1: Some guys can do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: know what the fuck they're doing.
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 2: Well, I guess if he was able to get to middleweight.
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, yeah.
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: But also sometimes it makes you lazier as well. Like, oh,
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 2: I can do that.
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 1: I can eat this. Yeah. And then you get close
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 1: to the time. Oh, shit. A bit of work now. Well,
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 1: he has talked about moving up. Again. Yeah, and so
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: is Ankalayev. Oh, yeah, actually he has, yeah, yeah. Ankalayev
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 1: just said that recently, that he wants to defend the
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 1: title a couple of times, then move up to heavyweight.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: I think it's a bit too small. Maybe, but if
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 1: he puts size on and he gives himself enough time,
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 1: he's got the skill set, and Aspinall's going to need
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 1: some fucking challengers. But then does, yeah, fair, fair, fair.
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 1: Unless Cyril Ghosn beats him, right?
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but then does he need, you know, I
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: always say that the time that Jon Jones took off
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: to get to heavyweight? Does he need that kind of time?
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: Because it takes a while to put on size like that.
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: It actually takes ages.
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 1: Not when you're over in Russia. Fair. Enough said. Real
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 1: difficult to get those fucking drug testing guys on a plane.
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: If they do, everybody knows when they're landing. Fair. Good
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 1: luck going into the bathroom while those guys pee. You
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 1: will accept glass of urine. I will hand it to Vitaly.
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 1: He handles it to you. This is clean urine. I'm
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 1: not accusing him of doing that, but I know that
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 1: for sure. Listen, I mean. It was always like the
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: joke about guys going over to Thailand. Like, why are
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 1: they going over to Thailand? It was good training. And also,
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 1: really hard to get those USADA guys on a flight. Ah. Yeah.
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 1: I know that. Yeah.
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of speculation about that. I feel so
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: ignorant to that kind of stuff. Like, I just don't
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: care enough because, like I said, I don't really have
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: a schedule for anything, even the good stuff, like the
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 2: things you're supposed to be doing.
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, eh, I'll do it. So you're not
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 1: like a supplement guy?
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 2: At all. I don't take protein shakes at all.
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 1: Nothing? Nothing.
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 2: Nothing.
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. No, no, no. Never. Never been into it. Multivitamins? Vitamins, yeah.
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: But again, I just forget to take them. Seriously, ADHD mind.
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: I'm just like.
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 1: You should have someone who makes like a little packet
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 1: for you. Yeah.
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to get my wife to do it
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: soon because she's very into that. She's very into her
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 2: fitness and stuff. She's a Pilates instructor. She's got her
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 2: own Pilates app and stuff. And she smartly, well, I
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 2: don't even know if she even intended it that way,
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 2: but she kind of blew up over COVID because she
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 2: set up her app at that time. And now everyone's
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 2: at home.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, perfect timing. You know what I mean? It's just
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 1: perfect timing.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: And she just blew up her app called Cloud9 Collective.
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 2: And she does Pilates for women. Have you ever done
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 2: Pilates yourself?
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, I have.
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 2: Bro, I did a video with her and got her
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 2: to train some MMA training. And then she's like, okay,
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 2: you come and do this for lives.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: She killed me. It's a lot more difficult than I thought.
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 1: It is so much. But I didn't know. Weird muscles. Yeah.
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 1: Inside of your leg muscles.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: But that's what's actually helped with a lot of my,
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: the rehab side. Because it's those muscles that we bypass.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 1: We go to the big muscles.
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we want to work these muscles. And it's all
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 2: those little ones that are not getting worked. And those
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 2: are the ones that are injured.
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 1: Stabilizers. Stabilizers. Yeah. And I didn't know that it was....
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: A man, I forget his first name, but called something
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: Pilates who started it for men in war to help
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: recover guys in war to get them back out to war.
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: But it's become such a female-led sport.
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 1: Well, that goes to speak about what I was talking
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 1: about with the Russians and being technical. You know who
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: was really into Pilates? Kovalev. Remember when Kovalev was the
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 1: light heavyweight champion? Yeah, yeah. The crusher. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 1: He was fucking everybody up. He was big in the Pilates.
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 1: Big in the Pilates. He was doing Pilates all the time.
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 1: And everyone was like, wait a minute, what? That guy?
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: The strength you can get from anywhere because, like I said,
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 2: those smaller muscles that help facilitate the bigger muscles.
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Like, it's crazy. It's the same people that, like,
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: look down on yoga. Like, bitch, go to a 90-minute
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 1: hot yoga class. Go do that. Okay, I did that, yeah.
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 1: It's hard.
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, I'm going to go to
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 2: a yoga, a hot yoga. You know, I was more
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 2: thinking just it's nice to kind of get the sweat
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 2: going and stuff. I remember the lady, she's like, oh, yeah,
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: go to, if you go to that side of the room,
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: it's quite hot. So, you know, if you're new to it,
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 2: just go to this side of the room. And I
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 2: was like, this woman, whatever, man.
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: Get over that hot side. Let me go to that
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 1: hot side.
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, you know, if you ever feel
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 2: faint at all, you don't have to continue. You can
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 2: kind of just sit down. I'm just like, what is
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 2: she talking about?
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 1: It's not that hot in here. Google me, lady. Bro.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: I think like three.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: Moves later, I slowly just like moved the mat.
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to go too far.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 2: But I moved from the hot side of the room
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: to like the middle-ish, closer to that side. And then
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 2: there was one move I was just stretching and I
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: literally just got lightheaded.
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 1: I was like, shit, this is real. It's real. It's real.
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 1: You see all those little old ladies in there and
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 1: you think, oh, this is easy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: It's difficult.
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 2: My wife is strong as hell and I'm just like, yes,
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 2: it has to be from that. Like she, and when
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 2: I do this, I did a session with her this
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 2: morning because she does some great sessions. Like when I
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 2: do sessions with her, like she kills it. And she's,
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 2: I have to say, she's smart in how she's done
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 2: it as well because actually something I didn't know because she's,
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 2: on her rap, she's done a cycle syncing specifically for women.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize that women have a, obviously I knew
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 2: women 28 day cycle and men have a 20, a
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 2: 24 day cycle, um, 24 hours and they have 28 days.
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 2: So there's specific times that they should be training, uh,
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 2: harder than they shouldn't be training or they should be
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 2: doing this and should be doing that.
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 1: Based on biometrics? Based on just them as yet. Time
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 1: of the cycle of the month. Time of the cycle
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 1: of the month.
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: But again, in my head, I'm like, there's girls that
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 2: are training our class and they have to train and
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 2: do everything that we do. But we don't, we forget
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 2: that we're just doing it based on, men can kind
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 2: of just keep going.
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 1: Well, women should think about that when they're scheduling fights. 100%.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 2: That should be a thing. And as I said, she
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 2: did it for Pilates. And I looked into it and
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, there's actually... This is like even
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 2: down to ice baths.
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: Great for you. Not for women though. Really? Not all
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 1: the time.
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 2: But if you look into it, so there's specific times
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 2: it's okay for them, but they shouldn't put their body
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 2: under that kind of stress in the same way that
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 2: we can.
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's interesting. Yeah.
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 2: So there's loads of, when I started looking at certain,
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 2: there's loads of things that we forget that a lot
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: of times it's done from a male point of view.
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 2: Forgetting that we're just different.
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 1: I never would have thought about that in terms of
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: their menstrual cycle and fighting. But of course. Of course.
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: Of course. Of course. Wow.
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 2: So yeah, she's put it on so individuals can actually
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 2: be like, it was scheduled and say, look, you're good,
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 2: specifically for you, are good to train intensely today. Or no,
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 2: you need a very relaxed session. And these videos, she's
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 2: got hundreds of videos on her thing that will come
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 2: up and be like, this is for you.
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 1: This was for you. This was for you.
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 2: But again, it just made me think about the women
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 2: in MMA, like you said.
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's the same thing scheduling.
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 2: Even down to, for them, weight cutting, you know, at
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 2: a certain time, going for their luteal phase, they're holding weight.
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 1: Right. Like, it's just different. Yeah.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 2: We don't have any of those issues to worry about,
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: but we get them to do the same structure as
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 2: we would do. That's a very good point. You know
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 2: what I mean? They should be more information about that,
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 2: even for the female fighters.
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they should actually be... like their coaches should be
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 1: setting fights up entirely based on i wonder like how
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 1: many fights they would have won that they there you
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 1: go couldn't really train right yeah because they're cramping up.
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah it's just we're just different.
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 1: When you i've seen some videos of you you do
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of plyometric stuff as well right and is
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 1: that something you've always.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 2: Done well it kind of comes with just uh this
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 2: is why i feel like i can bounce on my
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 2: calves for ages just because of that constant. And it
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 2: seems to be a thing now. I didn't really understand
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 2: it well enough. It was just kind of how I trained.
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 1: And now... Did you train like that from the beginning?
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just because of the points fighting style is a
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 2: lot of that shifting.
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 1: Right. But did you, but back then when you were
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 1: doing that, were you just doing the martial arts training
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 1: or were you doing specific plyometrics? Martial arts training with plyometrics.
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 2: The reason why we did plyometrics more so is because
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 2: we were also doing a lot of our kata's We
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 2: did martial gymnastics, so the forms. So I had to
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 2: learn how to do these crazy kicks and stuff in
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 2: which I would then, this is why I would try 720s.
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 2: Not because I just randomly decided to just throw it
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 2: out today. It's because we were drilling them just for
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 2: kata though. And I was like, well, if I can
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 2: do it for kata, then surely I can find the
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 2: time to throw it when I'm fighting. And I would
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 2: be brave enough to try and attempt these things in
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 2: the points fighting world. And yeah, there's a couple of kicks.
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 2: I keep telling people, there's a couple of kicks that
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 2: even for me, I haven't even shown you what I
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 2: can actually do yet, but there's a couple of kicks
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 2: that I know I can land. And usually it's easier
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 2: on people that are well-trained. So usually the better fighter,
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 2: it's actually easier to hit them just because they are
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 2: very traditional. They're very well-trained. They have patterns that I
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 2: can pick up on. I'm like, ah, you're going to
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 2: step this way and you're going to do that.
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 1: Ah. And I always tell people, I.
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 2: Call it attaching strings. The first minute of the fight,
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 2: not too much happens for me because I'm faking this, that, that.
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 2: But every time I'm faking something, you twitch. I'm like, ah,
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 2: this means this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you twitch.
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  Speaker 2: This means this, this. And I'm just attaching strings to you.
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  Speaker 2: So now I'm moving you. You just became Pinocchio. But that,
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  Speaker 2: and that's important. This is why, like you said, all
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 2: those fakes, but those fakes mean something.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting, like you said, I'm getting that information from you.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, he wants that. If I do this, he
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 2: wants that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I see it. Okay, perfect. Now I got it. Yeah,
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 1: that's what's so important for a casual fan to understand. Yeah.
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 1: That there's a whole game taking place that if you
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 1: could play it, you would understand what he's doing. Yeah.
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: But you're just seeing movement, random movement. You're like, hit him!
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 1: Hit him! Why don't you hit him? Meanwhile, if you knew,
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 1: you'd be watching something beautiful. Yeah, exactly. You're watching, you know,
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 1: a dance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Snake charming. That's it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's part of the identity, man.
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 2: Part of the identity.
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 1: I try to tell people, though, but yeah. Do you
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 1: know when you're fighting again? Have they given you any
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 1: kind of an idea?
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, I pushed out information. I keep chasing
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 2: after to kind of find out. I haven't really heard
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 2: too much back. They're announcing some fights now, right?
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like things are slowly starting to happen.
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 1: Still waiting. So, Protest is going to fight Leon Edwards. Yeah,
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 1: that's been confirmed. 170, which is what you're looking at
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 1: the most, right? Yeah. I want to get back. I
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 1: know I'm big now. You can make it, though. I've
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 1: seen you make it. I can make it. I want
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 1: to get back down. And you just giant advantages at 170. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 2: I want to get back down to 170. Just because,
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 2: like I said, I feel like, I think JDM's a great,
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 2: an amazing fighter.
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I just feel stylistically I can beat him.
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a very good style for stand-up for you. Yeah.
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 1: That's for sure. I mean, he's very complete. Very complete. Yeah,
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 1: he's very, very good. Yeah, very complete. I really like
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 1: his style.
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 2: And very smart. You can tell he's very smart. Like,
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 2: as in specific to the opponent, he's like, okay, yeah.
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 2: But like I said, that's one of the advantages. It's
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 2: like you're not going to have, it's going to be
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 2: very difficult for you, even as smart as you are,
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: to figure that out.
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 1: Well, that's why it's exciting for you with any stand-up fighter.
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 1: As soon as you're fighting a guy who likes to
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 1: stand up, it's like, are you sure? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 1: Are you sure you like to stand up? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 1: I tell people this all the time. Welcome to this
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 1: new thing that you've never experienced before. I make these.
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 2: Guys wrestlers, man. I make all these stand-up guys wrestlers.
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 2: And everyone's all going to strike with you.
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 1: Well, listen, brother, I can't wait to see you in
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 1: there again. I'm a giant fan. I'm so happy you're
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 1: at the UFC now. And I know you do a
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 1: lot of stuff online, so tell people how to find you. Yeah, so....
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 2: Again, it's all the social media, Michael Venom page, everything, Instagram.
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 2: I don't really do Twitter as much or X, sorry.
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 2: My Facebook, YouTube, I'm doing a lot of stuff. ITM, actually,
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 2: I'm doing a film company. I always try to set
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 2: myself up for the next stage. My creative mind won't stop.
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 1: You want to make movies? I'm making movies.
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 2: I've already made two short movies.
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 1: Wow. And again, the same. Congratulations. That's awesome. Thank you.
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 1: Thank you. And I want to get to acting as well.
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 1: What are they about?
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 2: So the first one was actually about an athlete's mindset.
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 2: One thing that I find with films, I think people
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 2: are lazy watchers nowadays. They find just explosion, explosion, action, action, action,
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 2: and crap storyline. But I want story telling again. And
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 2: this one is just more about an athlete's mindset. I
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 2: did it through the eyes of a runner. just because
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 2: it's slightly different. I didn't want to just go down
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 2: the same lane as MMA. Did it for you guys
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 2: as a runner and just how toxic your want and
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 2: your need to be the best, how it can look like.
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 2: And again, I'll go into that one. I'll let people
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: watch that one. That one was just called Runner. The
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 2: next one's called Wait. And it's kind of about what
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 2: anxiety can look like from a position of waiting for
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 2: good news, and a position of waiting for bad news
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 2: and how the parallels work and look almost identical so
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 2: you're literally watching two point of views so.
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 1: These two so this dude's just freaking out waiting for
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 1: yeah He's, he's, that's fucking cool. Thank you, man. That's
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 1: very cool.
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm a creative mind. I need to
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 2: express it in some way. And I know when I leave,
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to be one of those guys that
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 2: retire and want to come back and retire.
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 1: I want to come back.
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 2: If I say I'm done, then I'm done.
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 1: Well, that's great.
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 2: And I need something else to go into.
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 1: Nothing better than having something you look forward to that
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 1: you actually enjoy and love outside of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 1: Because it's hard. It's very hard for guys to end.
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 1: It becomes your identity. 100%. And the thrill, you know
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 1: more than anybody. The thrill of doing that is above
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 1: and beyond almost anything else you'll experience in life.
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: My thrill is usually, for me anyway, it comes from
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 2: expressing art. And we call it martial artist. As much
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 2: as people see sometimes the blood, the knockouts and stuff,
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 2: it's art. Like we just watched TJ Dillashaw.
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 1: That was art. That was pure art. Pure art. Like
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 1: people don't appreciate that side of it.
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 2: And I'm, I love to paint pictures and I'm like,
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 2: how can I continue painting pictures after this stage of
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 2: my life?
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, yeah, cool. Well, listen, man, if you
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 1: make movies like you can fight, I'm in. Yeah.
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 2: Trust me.
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 1: We're doing big things. I believe you. I believe you.
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 2: Kishan, my camera guy, Kishan Lakhani, he's, it just worked.
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 1: The synergies just worked.
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 2: He's, directing films like he's done it for 20 years
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 2: and he's just unbelievable so that's awesome we're gonna do
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 2: some uh magical things.
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 1: I love hearing stuff like that i really do i
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 1: really do.
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 2: And i got uh so like i said i got
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 2: a gift for you anyway what do you like red
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 2: or red or black you can have both if you
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 2: want what is it just a t-shirt oh nice and
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 2: it just it represents uh who we are hands down
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 2: martial arts there's guys that do this and everyone mocks
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 2: all the time but it's obviously my brand so extra
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 2: large large large yeah let me see large here.
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much there you go thank you and
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 1: then I'm.
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 2: Also I got again I'm into everything but I got
• 2:32:42
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  Speaker 2: you very much there you go man alright fantastic yes
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 2: enjoy let me know what you think.
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 1: How do people find that company Is it a website? Yeah,
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 1: just snap down on... Snap down snacks. Yeah, yeah, snap
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 1: down snacks. Athlete fuel. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 2: And when you're... If you're in the UK next or
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 2: when you're in the UK next, let me know. I've
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 2: got a Mexican restaurant as well, Ixchel.
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 1: Wow, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's great. You're invested in
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 1: all kinds of things.
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 1: Beautiful.
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 2: We actually had Kendall's... Kendall Jenner's 818 Tequila featuring in there.
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 2: We're going to have Jason Momoa come in end of
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 2: this month with his vodka, Miele vodka.
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 1: Look at you. Moving and shaking. We're everywhere. All right, man.
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 1: I'll see you this weekend. Thank you for doing this.
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 1: Thank you, man. My pleasure. I really enjoyed it. I
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 1: did too. Bye, everybody.