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AEW Headlines and Dynamite Preview - Mercedes Mone · Ignition - an AEW Podcast

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It's Tuesday night. You know what that means. It's time for Ignition with
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aw Fanhub. I'm your host, Kelson. I'm here with Sleazy C and
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Renee, and we're going to talk a little bit about the news coming out
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of the weekend. And boy was there a lot of news, including the
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fallout from World's End the pay per view on Saturday night. But so much
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has happened after that, I mean, holy cow. One of the biggest
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stories I want to tackle this right away is reports that Mercedes Monee and her
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talks with WWE have fallen through. Let's just pretend in a hypothetical situation that
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Mercedes Monee as Summer Predicting will be debuting tomorrow night on Dynamite. So let's
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fantasy book Dynamite and how she's worked into it, and maybe not only Dynamite.
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Bud, what's your first feud going to be? Sleezy? What do
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you think about this? Well, as long as Mercedes Monett does not act
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like rat fist Man behind the scenes, I feel like her first real potential
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feud that she could potentially have going on is Brett Baker. You know,
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just a nice little starting point, you know, beaten and trying to beat
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the crap out of the head of the women's division, who got how did
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her position by Tony Kahn or whatever? Except she might actually be able to
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cut a decent promo on her And so maybe you carry that light away for
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a few months and then work her way up to the aw Women's World Championship,
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depending on whether or not she doesn't act like rap fistman and injures her
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toe eighty seven days into her run. Yeah, I think that could work
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out pretty good. Yeah, that makes sense. You want to know something,
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Sleazy, I'm just going to give you a spoil alert. In my
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opinion on this, you and I are totally on different planes on this one,
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Believe it or not. I I almost disagree with everything you just said.
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Not that what you said isn't good. I'm just I just don't think
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it's realistic. And I'm going to tell you why after Renee you let us
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know and then and then, of course, sleazy, I'll give you a
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chance to rebut for a rebuttal on uh on what I say? Okay,
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Yeah, well, I was hoping she goes against Mariah A because it's making
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her take you right, No opponent was she does have one. Now,
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she does have one. Now, okay, they did announce it. She's
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going against Queen Amanada. Yeah, that's over in two minutes. Okay.
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Uh, well, so so let's take that off the board for no,
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no, no, because usually when you have a match, it that's over
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in two minutes, something happens after the match. So it could be what
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you're saying, does happen my grandpa's and John Deane right right. But but
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I regardless, I was hoping that would be that'll be like okay, before
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you mentioned it, calson that it's gonna be as a prize, like you
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know, like I expect that the person that's gonna face face someone type of
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situation, right that right, that would that would probably be a good way
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to bring her in. And my take on on what you said about on
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the other brand, no, it's you don't want to burn that bridge the
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second time around, like some someone else that should not be named because this
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isn't we're to talk about A and W. So I'm just gonna say that.
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Well, you know, here's the thing and all right, so initially
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I was thinking about Mariah May as well, Renee. But here's the thing,
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Mercedes Monet has not wrestled in a match since May. She's been injured.
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Mm hmm. We all know what she can do. Yeah. The
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fact of the matter is is that when she does debut for AAW or whoever
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she debuts for, she's not going to be ring ready per se. We
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just saw this with thunder Rosa. She came back and she did not get
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into the ring no matter. She was a former world champion for AW,
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but she had limited time in the ring because she doesn't have her ring legs
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under her yet. Okay, so that's why I kind of disagree with you,
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sleazy, and like I said, I'll give you a chance to both
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of you a chance to for rebuttal on my comments here. But I don't
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see her going to first. First things first, I do not see her
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going into a singles run right away wherever she ends up. But let's we're
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doing hypothetical here with AW. I don't see her going against Britt Baker's singles
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right away or anybody else. It's going to be a tag team because they've
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got to give her time to work things out, and the only way you
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work things out after an absence is by getting in the ring look at the
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match after CM Punk came back that he had with Ricky Starks. I believe
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that was his first singles match when he came back on collision and Starks literally
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carried him through the match because Punk just did not have his legs under him
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yet. So that's one point I'm gonna make so I don't and for the
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same reason, disagree with you again. Sleazy with Britt Baker is Britt Baker
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has been away for quite a while too. She's in the same situation in
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my opinion, where she has to get her legs under her again. I
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do believe that Mercedes Monett when she comes or if she comes to AW is
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going to be in a tag team situation. The question is which tag team
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Who's she going to tag with? Most people would say May, maybe Soria,
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you know, or even Mariah May. But I'm going to go to
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Sleay, what do you think about what I said? You know about my
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opinion, And I'm also interested to say if we were going to do a
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tag team because I have somebody in mind from Mercedes Monet as a tag partner,
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and I think I may surprise people if we're going to do a tag
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team who would you put as Mercedes Bonet's tag partner. Well, first of
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all, I mean I don't really think tagging for her would be realistic,
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solely for the fact that, you know, if we're doing with another wrap
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this man over here, she's probably gonna be like, oh no, I
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want singles read. But anyway, in terms of possible tag team partners,
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I'm gonna have to disagree with you want Soria. I mean, you could
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bring out that whole outcast thing, which she'd only be able to breathe in
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new life into it for like five seconds, and would go back to being
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a pile of crap. I agree, there's not really a whole lot of
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options. I guess you could go with Serena Deep I never even thought of
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that. That's a pretty interesting I mean, if they're not doing indie reps
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because they think they're so ego centry, like like they're above indies now because
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they're major companies or whatever, they don't want to do that, then they
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should get in the tag team together. But yeah, what about you,
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Renee, what do you think what's a good tag partner for Mercedes Monet if
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he does need a tag partner? Who knows they may put it right in
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the singles. I don't know that's an interesting pick a storing deep. I
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just can't see it for some reason. I don't know why, and honestly
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I can't pick if anyone else like okay, maybe like maybe, yet singles
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is probably the way to go, like another plant too, like god for
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bid, it goes with the outcasts, like like it's about that either,
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No, guys like sure, like sure, I agree with you. The
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numbers will grow, like let's say the utter faction from the other brand that
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will not be named. But no, it just doesn't feel right, Like
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I I still think that right now, she like get get her an opponent,
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a decent one at least for singles, and then maybe go from there
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from you know, from Tony conn and Company's side, where she should do
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what she's do, like put her as you know, put her in a
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tag team, park matching or whatever it is. So that's what I think,
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you know, sleazy. I never thought of Serena d But that's a
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really, really good choice in my opinion, if Tony Khan was smart,
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he would use Mercedes Monette to elevate the women's division from the ground up.
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I'm not talking about, you know, literally the ground, but from the
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mid card. Let's let's look at the mid card. My pick and this
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is this is I'm gonna tell you why I'm making this pick. My pick
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for a potential partner for Mercedes Monet is Red Velvet. Okay, okay.
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And the reason I'm picking Red Velvet is because I honestly believe if Mercedes Monette
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shows up in a w she is gonna have a mini program with a certain
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person. But that certain person is not going to be a mini is not
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gonna be a program where it's gonna be one on one, It's gonna be
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tag teams. So let's look at somebody. Who that person is is somebody
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who is a contender or a champion who has a tag partner already. And
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if you remember it all in, Mercedes Monett did watch one match in particular
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with interest and one female wrestler with interest, and that wrestler was Julia Hart.
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And for whatever reason I don't know, but they constantly showed her when
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Julia Hart was in the ring with the acclaimed versus House of Black match.
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So if you had Mercedes Monet in Red Velvet against Julia Hart and sky Blue
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for you know, like a mini program just to get you know, Mercedes
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Monette a few matches, to get her feed under her again, because look,
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the last thing I want to see is Mercedes Monet not being one hundred
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percent going into a ring against the likes of Tony Storm or even Chris Statlander
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or something like that and not do well in a one on one match.
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You see where I'm You see what I'm saying there. So that's why I'm
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thinking, you know, tag Man, what do you think about I mean,
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I know it's really out there, but Red Velvet, what do you
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think of that? Pleasi? Well, I'm surprised that you know, you
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would even consider her, considering the fact that her entrance was ribbed by Taya
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Valkyrie and those two her pretty much and the irrelevant bowels of irrelevantness in aw
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right now, So pretty surprised. Choice. Well, Tya Valkyrie has been
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doing really well in Ring of Honors. She's got a street going there,
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you know, kind of kind of along the line of what's going on with
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with Athena. Of course, not quite as many wins, but she has,
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right, she is racking up some some wins over the people be broken
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by Tay and let by Athena because she did the same thing with Laila Hirsh,
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so now they're going to do the same thing with Tya Valkyrie. The
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only difference between Athena, I mean between Layla Hirsh and Tya Valkyrie is Tyer
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Valkyrie has been working uh tag matches as well, you know, quite a
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bit and doing really well. She's been working with the renegades of all all
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people, which which I like because you've got an experienced wrestler with two wrestlers
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that could use guidance, you know. You know, anything that anything that
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an experienced wrestler does with a younger or less experienced wrestler, is it furthers
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the furthers a division. I'll just put it that way. Renee, what
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did you think about my red velvet proposal? I'm okay with that now,
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because again I don't have nobody else. I think that you can take out
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the pool. I just maybe I'll finish just say, I do not want
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a lie with you your heart for something. Yeah, I mean I don't
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either. I don't want her. I don't want her to go after the
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TBS Championship, but I'm gonna be honest with you here, Renee, I
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don't want her to go after the world championship either, at least not right
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away, because let's face it, you know, it would be preposterous for
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a w not to give Mercedes Monette the World championship eventually. But if you
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give it to her too soon, it kind of diminishes the Yeah, I
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don't know how to put it, the the the anxiety and the you know,
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the weight for her to have her moment. If you give her a
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moment too soon, you your shot, you know what I'm saying. So
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so that's you know, it's just interesting. I just do. I just
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really believe that there's gonna be a tag team going out of this in some
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way, shape or form, whether it's Red Velvet or somebody like Layla Hirsh
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or somebody. I think that they're going to give Monett tag team matches.
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And I think that would happen if she went to TNA, if she went
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to WWE, if she went to Japan. She is coming off an injury
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and she hasn't wrestled in what she got injured in May, so it's been
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seven seven months since she's even stepped into a wrestling ring. So you know,
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you gotta take some baby steps. You gotta take some care with this.
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You know, it's not like she's coming from one company to another.
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That's not what happened. I do, I do want to move on now,
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but I want to talk a little bit about out some fallout from World's
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End. As we all know by now, I hope you guys know that
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MGF has been removed from aw's roster list. Yep, I did so.
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And of course everybody's looking at it and saying it's a work sleazy Do you
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think it's a work. Uh, well, kind of has to be.
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I mean, I'm just I'm looking at all these other people, all these
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other news that it's being like, oh my god, mgf's going to WW
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And mac Gain literally happened during the what I'm now calling the summer of MTF,
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when he was literally nowhere to be seen. This happened back then,
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and guess what he came back that one pay per view. What do you
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call it? Oh? Yeah? All out? So and I mean like
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like we're literally calming off of the climax of the Devil story. So,
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and the thing is, why would you let somebody go who has just held
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your belt for a record amount of days. Tony Kahan has not left though,
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of that man. He would not have put the strap on that man
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unless he signed an extension. So be prepared when he comes back, probably
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in a few months to recover from his injuries, to come back on a
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dynamite or pay per view or lead up to all in, hopefully not a
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lead up to Forbidden Door, because screw Forbidden Door, and he's gonna come
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back and everyone's gonna be like mg have to not sign with w WE,
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Gosh Docker. Yeah, take that news media outlets. Yeah, you know
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here, let me ask you this sleazy and of course, Renee, I'll
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pose the same question to you after sleezy answers. We all know that EDGF
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is injured. M hm, So do you think the injury had something to
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do with him losing the title or do you think he was gonna lose it
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any way, even if if, even if he wasn't injured. I honestly
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think he was gonna lose it anyway. Does that mean why would you,
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like, here's the thing, de mo would Joe? I think it was
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before all the devil stuff and mgf's injuries and stuff, he dropped the ROAH
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title. Just it's just like being like, Okay, I'm not the champion
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anymore because I'm just so good. And then he moves on to the aw
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World Championship. You're really gonna make him look that week, just you know,
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after being such a strong rh TV champion. No, that's not what
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you know. Yeah, it was then that he du that he had left
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up. Yeah you know that kind of thing, right, like why would
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you drop the belt a vacate a belt right in the center of aw ring
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at that lose your next big title match for day? What do you think
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about this? Do you think that m JF was gonna was destined to lose
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that match? Anyway? I was hoping name JF will found a way to
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beat Joe because he did be him last time, if I were right,
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yes, and and of course I did see a pay per view, but
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I saw the highlights, and yeah, that was surprising, especially like I
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said and the other podcast, or was you know, given the fact that
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gave a big entrance, and I think yet before it, you know,
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in other words, you get the big homecoming, right, one would think
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of everything will be on his side. So and I saw the same thing
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that Sleezy said, like out there, especially wrestling rabbles on YouTube mentioned it
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in there they yo, but rumors said he was going to go to mg
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to the other brand, you know, and I didn't. I was like,
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how would you do this? First of all, because m j F,
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for first, we know he's one of the top tier wrestlers that you
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got on any w and there'll be a bull move for letting you go for
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nothing, you know, and hopefully there's the there's gonna be a handshaking between
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Tony Kahan and MGF down the road because of the reason I just mentioned,
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guys, because what's gonna happen next if he goes somewhere else? Like will
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will they? Will they go bankrupt or just or anything else will go sideways?
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Who knows? Well, well, you never know from week to week,
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day to day what's going on. I mean, stuff happens and then
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stuff is retracted. You know, we did not even touch on the Chris
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Jericho thing that's going on, and I am not going to touch on it,
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but that's a good example. The words, the stuff that came out
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last week is just kind of totally change direction this week. You know what
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I mean, so things things happen. It's it's fluid, it's dynamic.
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You know. The one thing that I don't understand is, you know,
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and I may be totally off base here, but you know, looking through
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social media, Twitter x, Instagram and things like that, we all know
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that Andrade wrestled his last match on December thirtieth. We know that MGF lost
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the title on December thirtieth, and of course the bidding war of twenty twenty
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four for MGF started on January first, and Andrade has already announced that he
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has left the company. On January first, his contract ran was up and
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he is a free agent. And like even the Dirt Sheets, there were
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a couple of Dirt Sheets who expected Andrade to show up on Raw last night.
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We are recording this on Tuesday. Whatever happened to thirty day non compete
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clauses? I mean, I don't know what aw's contracts look like and if
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they even have non competes, but in my mind, you don't have Andrade
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leave on January first and appear on January first on another network. That hasn't
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happened since the Monday Night Wars. That's why they put the don compete clauses
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in there, you know what I mean. So, and people were shocked
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that Androtti did not show up at RAW last night, and it blew my
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mind, it really did, because again, I don't know what aw's policies
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are on wrestlers who have their contracts run out? Is there a company?
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Is there a don compete clause on the contracts? Are not? It just
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seems like common sense to me. I don't think you're going to see andrade
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a in WWE if that is where he's going to go, which makes perfect
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sense because his wife is there. I don't think you're going to see him
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there for you know, a few weeks at at that best. Now I
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could be wrong, but so MGF lost the belt, and I know this
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is something that's sleazy, really want to talk about. So you know,
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here, here's the thing. In the media scrum after World's End, somebody
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asked Tony Kahn what the future is for the women's division and specifically said,
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are there going to be tag team belts? Well, look, we already
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have a new belt in the Continental title. We spoke about this a little
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bit in the Sunday Morning Ship Talk. Okay, but now Tony conn seems
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open to forming a women's tag team belt now when this is brought up on
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social media or whatever. One of the biggest arguments I know Sleezy has this
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argument as well because he said it in the past, is that AW has
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too many belts that I can agree with, but they have meaningless belts as
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well that they need to either consolidate or get rid of entirely. So sleazy,
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what is your stance on maybe having a women's tag division? And do
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AW have too many belts? If? Right now, aw's belt crisis is
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sort of at nearing critical mass. I mentioned it on the discord server at
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some point with the picture of Eddie Kingston on the roster page with the Continental
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Championship. But I mean it's nearing critical mass. You add an AW Women's
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Tag Team Championship right now, there's too many bells. There's just too many
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bells. They're simple as that. Now my solution in order to fix this
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so we can get back on track and TK can stop whinding about knee and
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and more toys. It's very simple. Okay, you have a merger with
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the International Championship and the Continental Championship. Boom, you just fix like half
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your problems, so once those emerge, you're pretty much good to go.
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Okay, if you did the merger between the International and Continental Championship, what
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do you call the new championship? Just rename one into the other and merger
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or something like that, give or take. And I mean that's that would
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mostly be up to Tony Conn. I don't really have an idea of what
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you would do after you emerged the belts if I'm gonna okay, RVD,
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Sorry, RVD needs to get get back to wrestling so we can start merging
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those belts. Okay. So we've eliminated one belt by merging the Continental and
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International Championship. Are there any other belts that you see if that could be
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either eliminated or merged? Hm? You know, that's a really good question.
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If I'm If I'm gonna be honest here the TVs Championship. I did
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here a few months ago that people were saying, oh, turn the TBS
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Championship and to tag titles. At first, I was strongly against the idea
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because I thought that would hamper the belt crisis. But now that I'm thinking
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about it, I'm thinking, Hm, maybe that could help us. Just
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just turn that into the tag titles and need to have no need for a
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new women's tag division. I think that I'm the one that said that,
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actually. But the problem with that is is that if you have a TBS
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chair, look, a TBS Championship is kind of like a free advertisement for
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Warner Brothers Discovery. They owned TBS, they own TNT. If you were
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going to do that, get rid of the TBS Championship, which has become
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quite prestigious over the last few months. When stat Lander and Hart had it,
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it was nothing when when Cargo had it. Frankly, in my opinion,
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if you took away the TBS Championship, would you have to do something
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with the TNT Championship as well, not saying get rid of it, but
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maybe rename it to maybe the TNTTBS Championship. Hmm. I mean yeah,
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that would depend on whether or not Warner would allow intergender wrestling, you know.
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So if you had those two belts merge into one, then make it
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a whole intergender class, now that would be fucking awesome. Right. So,
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so we've we've eliminated, we've merged the Continental Championship with the International Championship.
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We've kind of sort of maybe done something with the TBS Championship. Is
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there any other belts that you could think of? Hmmm No, not really?
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Okay, what about you and A? Are there anything that you would
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merge or eliminate to create more spots for more meaningful belts? So we can't
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take the TNC and the TBS belt because it's a Warburg's property, correct,
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right, well it's not. I mean it's aw property. But they're doing
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it to advertise Warner brother product. Right, Okay, since that that was
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the only other thing I could think of, But then again, you know
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they'll be, they'll be just maybe I want one or two less belts that
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someone once again just just for the sake of saying, hey, I got
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I won this, you know when it's like the way you bring a Stanley
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Cup type of thing. But anyways, Uh, I agree with Selasie with
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says, uh and worst eliminate, eliminate those in the intercontinent? Is that
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right? Uh? Merging the international and yeah, that's good. Probably the
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only thing you can do at the moment, like other not As I said,
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he can't take out the TVs and t A Tea because it's a winner
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Warner Discovery brand. But however, I still think you can, we still
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can make a tag team belt for for both sides. It's it's just just
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for the sake. It's like so anyone, anyone has a chance to to
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compete and win it. You know, I know, I know both of
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you are saying that both the belts to downsized, but just I don't know,
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just just feel rising. No, no men's women's tag team belts.
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You know there is a men's tag team belt. Yeah, starts a big
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bill. I don't you, I don't know. I'm sorry. The tag
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team without a name, the tag team without a name that are the attack
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team, but are two singles wrestlers right right each other. I apologize,
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I understanding because look, did they defend an ed World's End? No?
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No, they be give an eight like a right tag group of man tag
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team match. It's just like the outer one, which still didn't make no
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sense to me. But that's not the point, you know, my Here's
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here's the thing. Okay, the men's tag team definitely has to stay.
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I truly believe we need a women's tag title. Okay, I agree.
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Another belt that was not defended at World's End and really hasn't had, But
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I think maybe one defense in in weeks is the Trios Championship. I've never
30:30
liked that belt. Get rid of it. I mean, it's totally,
30:34
totally meaningless. It's it's a detriment, to be honest with you, because
30:40
it's taking There aren't enough trios in a w to have a trios Championship.
30:48
Billy Gunn is currently one of the members of the acclaimed well that Billy Gunn,
30:56
and he's not going to be around forever. So what are you gonna
31:00
do? Everybody that I mean, top Flight and Action Andretti couldn't get it
31:04
done. I mean the House of Black, they lost it to them,
31:10
you know, and now they're looking like they're gonna be a tag team.
31:12
I mean they're going into Malchi Black and Brody Brody Buddy Matthews. I'm sorry,
31:18
you're going after FDR on collision. Brody King just did the whole Continental
31:23
Classic thing. The Trios Championship could easily be take it away and made into
31:32
the into the women's tag team. I do agree with you, Sleazy,
31:38
that the International Championship and the Continental Championship should be merged. I really do
31:45
believe that. I know that I've said this before, and you know you
31:51
guys don't agree with me on this, or I know Sleazy doesn't, But
31:55
the FDW Championship is a waste, you know, so that I mean,
32:01
there's no prestige there, and frankly it's a a W has a thing where
32:10
I believe. Let me ask you this in all honesty, which this is
32:19
for Sleezy and for for Renee. Which a W title belts are upper tier
32:29
belts right now? Have you know Tier A champions and that's that Sleezy,
32:40
go tell me which ones? Well, that would be the AW World Championship,
32:49
Okay, and Netty, that's it now in the past. Well,
32:58
let me go to let me go to Renee real quick because I'm gonna ask
33:00
you both another question. Which which titles in a W right now? The
33:06
title belts do you think are A the A class. I'm with Sleazi on
33:14
the on the the one that didn't Jeff last, uh, But the rest
33:22
of them, it's it's like it's hard to say, you know. Okay,
33:29
I'm gonna name off the titles and you guys tell me whether they're a
33:31
class or you know, top tier, you know, mid card or lower
33:37
card? Uh? Okay, So we have the a W Men's World Championship.
33:45
That's top that's that's top card. It's the same for me, okay,
33:51
a W Women's World Championship. So it's kind of between the top tier
34:00
in mid card for you. For me, it's gonna to be because it'smever,
34:04
it's men's and women's divisions, right, it has to be top tier
34:07
for the for the women's side to go chase that that belt. Okay,
34:15
Well, I think that the AW Men's Championship is a top tier card a
34:22
title. I do think that the the a W Women's Championship should be a
34:30
top tier title, and it sometimes is and sometimes it falls to just above
34:36
mid card. It just depends on who holds it. Okay. The tn
34:42
T title sleazy mm hmmm plus So you think that's a mid card title,
34:50
and uh but it's a C plus meaning mid card, the higher mid card.
34:54
Okay. And just before we go up and go on, what about
34:59
the TVs title even with hard I have to say a D. So you
35:06
think it's a lower mid card Okay, what about you renee the TNT title
35:12
and then the TBS title. It's like you can basically flip up eight or
35:17
one to be honest, guys. But but the correct answer to me can
35:22
sincerely established at the Awn's Whim's titles are top tier. I would think it's
35:29
probably gonna have to be a mid card, Okay, mid card. I
35:31
agree with both of you. I do believe that the TBS, the TNT
35:36
title. I kind of gotta go with Sleazy. I think the t TNT
35:40
title is a mid card title, but it's been elevated a little bit with
35:45
Christian Okay, yeah, let's not talk about that. Yeah that, But
35:54
and I do think that the TBS titles is a mid card time all right.
36:00
So the tag team titles, I mean, we've had some pretty good
36:04
tag teams in that in there right now, you know, holding those tag
36:07
titles FTR, the bucks, et cetera, et cetera, the tag team
36:15
without a name. Where would you put the tag titles, Sleazy, that
36:22
would be so kind of a upper mid card or a lower top card.
36:29
Yeah, okay, what about you, Reday? Yeah, so that so
36:36
I agree with Sleazy here too. Like returns of belts, I would put
36:40
in after the world the world haveweight championship belt because that's what of course,
36:45
that's the way you want to go for if you're a tag team, right,
36:50
that's right, right, right. So, by the way, I'm
36:52
not talking about the wrestlers you hold the titles. I'm talking about the titles
36:57
themselves, the prestige, the pristige for the titles. Yeah, and that's
37:01
what I'm going by to. Okay, so let's stop. Let's talk about
37:07
the trios title sleazy what did you what did you say? B plus C
37:20
plus So basically maybe an upper mid card title for you? Okay? Uh?
37:27
For me, well, it was see when it first brought out as
37:32
much as long as I remember, guys, it was well, it was
37:36
kind of it was like in a shiny joy. But you're right, Kelston.
37:38
Over over the last a little bit, it's been downward danger and it's
37:43
nothing. I guess the claim because I'm gonna put Daddy as s part the
37:45
claim. Okay, I don't know. It's just there's not many contenders that
37:51
could compete. Although I still think, and I said it on the chat
37:55
on for on the rampage chats, that I give it, let me get
38:01
to it, let me get to it, that I still think top flight
38:05
in a dream have shot. But anyways, I would have to put it.
38:08
I have to agree with with Slazy. Was it you said class?
38:17
He said, so you said C plus I don't remember now yeah yeah,
38:25
yeahah yeah, because because there's lots of shine, you know. Yeah,
38:30
that's why like for me, for me, for prestige trios, absolutely a
38:38
lower card. Okay, I don't think that it's one of those that whoever
38:45
wins it is seen as a champion there. It's like a it's like a
38:51
consolation prize for somebody who couldn't win the tag team belts. I don't know,
38:54
it's it's the way I look at it, all right. So here's
38:59
the here here we're gonna we're gonna combine the Continental and International Championships prestige for
39:07
the International and Continental Championships, they are currently F tier F okay and and
39:19
renee What was it again, guys? If you be if we're gonna merge
39:30
the continental and International championship, what tier would that be? Considering who is
39:36
who is the champion and we're the champions in the past, of course,
39:39
the International Championship has only had won two champions really something like that? Yeah,
39:45
would be wrong to say, like, uh, okay was the Jeff
39:52
when his guy's belt until he lost I would put underneath that. Okay,
39:59
So you're gonna say, is like a B like an upper mid card,
40:02
no actually below the world the world every championship, okay, so like a
40:08
top card, you know, just a lower top card like okay, So
40:15
maybe I'll try this way. The Belt haveway Championship number one, number two
40:22
be what what you're you're asking for, right, Okay, So one would
40:28
be the a W Men's Championship and the Continental International Championship number two I'm going
40:35
to say that, well, look, with the International and Continental Championship,
40:43
I've i've for the first couple of months that that Orange Cassidy held the belt,
40:49
I was on board, and that it became painful to even pay attention
40:53
to. And the Continental Championship to me is completely an utterly mean because of
41:00
who got it. Uh So I've given it an f myself. I've given
41:06
it the absolute Both of them are the maybe worse than the trios and as
41:14
far as meaning absolutely meaningless for me. And I get that there's people that
41:19
I'm not discounting the great matches in the in the Continental title and the great
41:25
matches that Orange Cassidy has had with defending his international title. Alls I'm saying
41:35
is that we've got the I mean international title is being being is being defended
41:47
against jobbers on rampage. There's no prestige to it now, and the continental
41:53
title to me is completely meaningless because Eddie Kingston has it. That's just my
41:59
opinion, right, you know. So that's that. Are there any belts
42:06
that we missed? Oh oh, this one's going to be interesting. FTW
42:10
Championship sleazy, go ahead. You Well, if we're talking outside of my
42:21
opinion on how prestigious it is, we're talking about in the logical grand scheme
42:25
of things or we're talking my opinion, well you could say you could even
42:30
say both. And you're I know, you're a fan of the FTW Championship,
42:34
so you're going to think that it's, you know, probably more prestigious
42:37
than what others would think. But you could also say what you think other
42:42
the prestige you think it holds for others as well? Well? In terms
42:45
of my of my personal and totally humble opinion, it is a plus plus
42:52
hyper Donkey Kong Deluxe Edition. So you think of today, you think it's
42:59
a top tier card. Yes, even though no top tier wrestlers have ever
43:02
challenged for it. Okay, and what do you what do you think the
43:06
perception is as for the current perception around it, which yeah, I'd say
43:15
d plus o guys, you think it's an upper bid mid card file perceived.
43:22
Yeah, okay, uh, Renee, what do you think put it
43:29
on put it on her anything? Continental belt? Because what based on what
43:35
test has set up in his commentary in the last little bit, I think
43:39
including the pay per view, it's like it's it's some perceived even though it's
43:44
not an official belt, but there has there has been a few people who
43:47
have all the belt we will not name because you know, you know,
43:51
we know who they are. So that's what I think about it. Okay,
43:59
zeb be number three, Okay, it'll be number three. To me,
44:01
it's right there with the Trios Championship. I mean, it's a zero
44:07
hour belt okay, that rarely gets defended on TV. And frankly, that's
44:22
that's my feeling about it. It's it's a completely meaningless belt, has no
44:27
meaning at all. There's no talk about it, there's I don't know it
44:32
just it is what it is. But anyway, I mean, the gist
44:37
of the matter is is that there are varying opinions on the prestige of a
44:43
W titles Right now, one thing I do want to say, and I
44:49
don't know, and I'm gonna ask if you agree with this, and they've
44:52
gotten a little better at this, Actually a W should be about winning and
44:58
defending contesting for AW titles, not Ring of Honor titles. Do you guys
45:06
agree with that or do you think that having Ring of Honor matches ads prestige
45:12
to aw TV. Well here here's the deal, at least from my perspective,
45:17
all right, ever since I got here onto this podcasting deal is uh,
45:24
get the honor out of aw It's kind of like it's it's kind of
45:30
like WWE's doing, or like get the f out. I'm like, get
45:34
the honor out now. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that we
45:37
can never have other belts in this promotion, you know, but the fact
45:42
of the matter is they can't be showing up on a weekly basis. It
45:45
should just be more so like a special occasion like what Christian Cage and Kenny
45:49
Omega were doing back in the pandemic with the TNA title and whatever the hell
45:52
Kenny Omega was doing with the Triple A title back in the Pandemic or whatever
45:58
the hell Kenny Omega was doing with the Impact title back the Pandemic. You
46:00
see what I'm saying here. Absolutely, you know I'm spoil alert. I
46:04
agree with you undred percent sleazy. I mean, can can't say it better
46:08
than you did. It's just special occasion, yes, but having there was
46:15
this entirely too many matches for ROH titles, you know, on AWTV.
46:20
And and here's the other thing. If we recall the build up to All
46:25
Out twenty twenty two EXCaliber, the play by play guy who was trying to
46:32
announce all of the matches for aew all Out had to mention it probably I
46:39
might be wrong about this at least like seven or eight title matches. And
46:43
in the middle of it he lost his breath and he had to take a
46:46
breather. That's saying something, you know, all right? Well, yeah,
46:57
Redee Renee, what do you think? You know? What is your
47:00
take on a W having. Do we have too many Ring of Honor matches
47:07
title matches on on a W for the well for I don't think so,
47:14
because this is going to be very controversially saying this, but since I know,
47:21
I know you can get it on our club. But for a guy
47:23
like me who can't get it, it's like, at least you got to
47:25
see salt from r o AH coming up on a W program at least,
47:31
and and have and show it to at least the audience. It shows on
47:37
their networks of T T and TBS, you know, because I've mentioned many
47:42
times when the case We're Eating even Paige you know, wasn't a W and
47:47
he went to r o H and p back but to fight against Cam which
47:52
was not. There was no belts. But the point is least you got
47:55
people coming up from that that formo that from our age to a W just
48:01
for that reason for those who have never seen before. And that's what I
48:07
sort of like about that. But the only thing, maybe the only thing
48:10
they could do, like yes, you can have the belts, but tone
48:15
it down to to I don't know, to what, do as little as
48:20
possible and maybe maybe maybe do definitely have to show it on occasion, but
48:25
no, like uns's the only thing I can think of. They're just doing
48:29
as filler because you know the time that they have the two hour on say
48:36
Collision or Dynamite or at least one hour on ramp page. So okay,
48:44
fair enough, So I just want to touch before we before we wrap things
48:47
up, I want to touch briefly on the matches that we have for Dynamite
48:52
tomorrow, we have Maria May and Queen Amanada, we square Strickland and Daniel
48:55
Garcia, and for the International Championship, Orange Cassidy and Dante Martin. Sleazy,
49:02
what should those three matches? Are you most intrigued about? Well,
49:07
I'm certainly not intrigued about Mariah Way versus Queen and Mantis, simply because I'm
49:12
just going who. But I guess are you? Are you saying who for
49:20
both of them or just one of them? Both of them? Okay,
49:23
yeah, I guess. I'm more so confused about the Orange Casting versus Dante
49:30
Martin match. I thought that was gonna be an Orange Cassidy plus best Friends
49:32
versus Action Andretti and Top Flight Trios match, but thank god it's not anyway.
49:40
So I guess the Swears Strickland and Daniel Garcia match that got announced,
49:45
I'm pretty intrigued about that. I mean, they were just in the Continental
49:49
Trash files, so I mean, what the hell is going to happen?
49:55
Okay, what about you, Renee, What's what shall those matches? Has
50:00
you intrigued the most? So I already I already said what I said about
50:02
the the Many Crown. That's gonna be a squashed matter for two minutes.
50:07
And I feel bad because you know, I'm where our name is has some
50:13
moments that you can go. But we can scratch that off there the I
50:20
I'm like Sleza, I'm interested of Swerve and dank Garcia, like see what
50:24
happens, like if it's going to because don't forget dank Garcia has backup from
50:30
the former jas or what are two point zero and of course uh Swerve has
50:37
his backup with who he's aligned with. So but I but I'm just gonna
50:43
say right now, I just think Swerve someone's gonna find a way to win
50:45
that match and the last one Cassidy and uh Mark Dante Martin, Like,
50:52
I'll be honest with you, I wanted to see tough flight, which I'm
50:55
gonna put action during as part as as that against against the best friends,
51:02
because I thought what they did before it was it was awesome to see.
51:07
But nevertheless, I really think in my mind that Dante mar is gonna win
51:12
that win it, I really do. You'll find a way. So that's
51:15
an interesting take. Yeah, you know, I'm gonna be honest with you,
51:19
Renee, I don't and and sleazy because you both said it. I'm
51:22
happy with the Orge Cassidy and Dante Martin match. I do think Orge Cassidy
51:25
is going to win. But but you know, I much prefer this match
51:30
to a you know, this is a meaningful match for a championship belt,
51:37
and it should be a good match for the championship belt, whereas if we
51:44
have a trio's match, it's probably gonna be a forgettable match. Not saying
51:50
it won't be good, I'm just saying it'd be forgettable for nothing. No,
51:54
I don't know. I just I still think that notch that they already
51:58
had before it was unre page that because I comment on the not on the
52:02
reddit one, but the show Luchet on Discords did. I thought I liked
52:07
this because the crazy stuff that went on between everybody, you know, like
52:15
it was just like it was weeks ago for Top Light dre Facing wherever they
52:19
face the valid Kingo where we want to call them so but yeah, I
52:24
mean, look, I'm intrigued by all three of the matches, to be
52:30
honest with you. Uh, since we did really touch on Mariah May and
52:32
Queen Amanada, I'm gonna touch on that if we do get Mercedes Monet,
52:37
We're probably gonna get Mercedes Monet in this match, unless she just comes out
52:44
randomly, like if somebody's doing a promo and whatnot. Well, we're more
52:49
certainly gonna see is probably Tony Storm and how she reacts to Mariah May getting
52:54
some spotlight on Dynamite, and she may not be happy about it, and
53:00
this may drive a little bit of a wedge between Mariah May and the deranged
53:07
Tony Storm, you know, arcissistic Tony Storm. You know, I really
53:14
wish that Mariah May had had a more familiar opponent, like somebody like Sky
53:22
Blue or Ruby soho. Even because if you've not seen Mariah May and Wressel,
53:29
she can really go. She's brutal. I mean, she's she's a
53:35
bumping machine. She can take it and she can dish it out. She's
53:39
very much She's not as big as say, like Chris Statlander, and she's
53:45
not as strong as Chris Statlander, but she gives that kind of a Chris
53:49
Statlander Aura. She's got the athleticism of somebody like Julia Hart Lady Frost.
53:57
She's just I think she's gonna she's I think she's gonna win a lot of
54:00
people over. She's given the opportunity to win people over. It would be
54:07
nice to see those people that you mentioned to Kelsey and Ley Frossten, whoever
54:09
it is. But yeah, I agree with your assessment on a storm that
54:19
you know that she's gonna have her diva moment and then something's gonna happen between
54:24
those two. I uh yeah. Before we wrap things up, I want
54:31
to get to our spicy predictions for tonight, and I'll go first and give
54:36
you guys a little bit of a chance to think about it. Of course,
54:39
when you get the spicy predictions, the word on everybody's lips is Mercedes
54:44
Monette. Is she going to debut tomorrow night? I don't think so,
54:50
to be honest with you, but we may get another woman that will possibly
54:58
debut tomorrow night, and that's Dianna Parrazzo. Don't be surprised. Don't be
55:06
surprised. Sorry, you know that's don't be surprised. If that happens.
55:16
So let's go to sleazy. Do you have any spicy predictions for tomorrow night?
55:21
Well, first, I'd like to comment on that last prediction once again.
55:27
Well, if you don't, if you don't know, if you don't
55:30
know Dianna Parozzo, I think you should go look her up, buddy,
55:35
hopefully. I mean, I mean, yeah, okay, on that no,
55:39
seriously, seriously, if in the free agent market right now, in
55:45
all honesty, if if you look at the free agents, on the free
55:50
agent women specifically, I think you'd be surprised how many people have Diana Parrazzo
55:57
is number one over Mercedes Martinez, Bartinis, Martinez Monett. She's again,
56:05
she is a gat she now she is more of a powerhouse. She's not
56:10
like the athletic type that you would get with, you know, somebody like
56:16
Mariah May, Mercedes Monette, Julia Hart. She's more of a I'm gonna
56:22
beat the snot out of you type of type of wrestler. She's an imposing
56:27
she's imposing, but that way. But it's so she has a totally different
56:31
style. But my god, is she good. She really is good?
56:37
Right, Well, hopefully Mercedes Mercedes Mona does not enter ado you because I
56:42
fear another wrapis man situation happened. But anyway, in terms of spicy predictions,
56:52
I do not have any spice. I need to buy some from Dollar
56:54
General. Of course, Well I have a I can't believe you went through
57:02
an entire entire podcasts Leazi wellout mentioning Jungle Boy. Do you think there's any
57:12
chance of him showing up tomorrow night? Oh yeah, I hope to God
57:15
so so we can claim what is rightfully his, which is the ft W
57:21
Championship. No, I thought you were going to say the window. No,
57:28
oh thank you. All right, all right, Redee, we're wrapping
57:31
up, So give us your spicy prediction for tomorrow night's dynam I'm I'm gonna
57:37
eliminate that the Jungle Boy getting the W going for w belts. Okay,
57:43
that's what the real spice prediction is. The Devil the Devil's Man will show
57:47
up on on Dynamite or or red page and going rock shaw and kick kicking
57:55
ass and taking names of everybody, everybody, kind of like the NWOL yep,
58:02
pretty much. You still take a page of us of that playbook and
58:07
it's like show that we run this company, not toty Khn. It's us
58:13
because if you saw, you saw who was there, and I'm still shocked
58:16
of all the people that they had, which I'm gonna just go over one
58:19
more time. You have Roderick, you have Warlow, you have the Kingdom
58:25
there besides Adam, which I'm still surprised that he was part of it after
58:30
I say for months and months, there's no freaking way he could be part
58:35
of that, considering what he went through and then Dan being friends with m
58:39
J F and all like rap. So that's my prediction. The Devil,
58:45
the Devil's man are gonna start causing ship. Oh right, you think everyone's
58:49
gonna start throwing trashing them and they're gonna drop a drop a leg on some
58:54
popular guy or whatever. An ancles could like, this is the devil warkeping
59:01
organization. Brother, I don't see like that. Those lazy but I just
59:08
think that there now that they establish the people that are part of this faction,
59:14
if you will, maybe they'll add a few more people as well.
59:19
They're gonna cause havoc to anybody that they're step up. Maybe they could go
59:23
get against House of the House of Black. As far as I'm concerned.
59:28
You know, it's gonna be interesting because look, also to morrow night we
59:31
have Christian Cage coming out giving a basically a stated union address to help us
59:37
into the aw fans, which is gonna be funny. But are we gonna
59:39
see the Devil and or his goons tomorrow night? And uh, you know
59:45
there's a question. Maybe we'll talk about this tomorrow night after we see We'll
59:50
talk about it on All Leak Talk tomorrow night after we see what happens on
59:53
Dynamite, Right. But what I'm more interested in this was people are really
59:59
not talking about this, is that Samoa Joe, the new aaw Men's World
1:00:05
Champion, somebody who was known for his honor and not going against this word,
1:00:10
went against his word with MJF and and he worked with the Devil and
1:00:19
his goons. Now, was this a one off kind of thing or is
1:00:22
he going to continue to somehow work with the Devil and his goons? Maybe
1:00:27
not as a full time goon or so to speak, but is he going
1:00:32
to be involved to a point where he's going to just kind of show up
1:00:37
randomly at opportune times to take advantage of different things. And if anybody does
1:00:45
challenge Samoa Joe for the aw Men's title because you know, Revolutions coming up,
1:00:52
so he is going to need a challenger. And will the Goons and
1:00:55
the Devil get involved in that. That's a pretty interesting question and some of
1:01:01
that may be set in motion tomorrow night on aw Dynamite and after aw Dynamite
1:01:07
we will be doing all lead talk and of course during aw Dynamite, we
1:01:13
will be having a live chat on our subreddit aw fan Hub for Sleazy and
1:01:20
Renee. This is Kelson. Thank you for listening to Ignition. Good night
1:01:24
everybody, Hi, y else,