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Exposing the Dark Enlightenment & the MAGA Technocratic Coup of America w/ Patrick Wood · Man in America Podcast

• 0:13
  Seth Holehouse: Right now, there's a plan to take your house, your car, and your bank account, and instead of owning any of it, you'll just get access to it, but as long as you behave. Now this isn't just some theory. It's already being built into the financial system, and my guest today has been tracking the blueprint for it since nineteen seventies. Now what really got me wasn't the plan itself. It was finding out that the guy shaping the thinking of the people closest to the White House has openly written about a, quote, humane alternative to genocide for the people that he considers undesirable.
• 0:44
  So you don't wanna miss this discussion, because my guest today knows all about this word called technocracy. It's this quiet decades long plan to replace elected government with rule by engineers, algorithms, and a handful of unelected tech billionaires. He's one of the world's leading researchers on this subject, and he's been at it since nineteen seventies, long before anyone is even asking these questions. So while others are just now noticing flock cameras and data centers popping up overnight, this guy has traced the receipts going back to 1932. He co wrote one of the first books ever published on the trilateral commission.
• 1:18
  He spent decades building the paper trail connecting that history directly to what's happening in Washington DC right now. In this interview, you're gonna understand why your bank account, your house, and even your car are being quietly redesigned without your permission and why that affects every single person watching this, not just some distant policy debate. You understand why the executive order that Trump signed that everyone cheered for may have opened the door to something even more concerning. Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse.
• 1:53
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• 2:16
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• 2:30
  Alright. Let's get started now with my interview with Patrick Wood. Mister Patrick Wood, it is quite an honor to have you on the show, and I've been kind of hoping and been wanting to interview you for a couple of years now. And so it's just it's great to have you here. So thank you for giving us your time today.
• 2:47
  Patrick Wood: My pleasure. Good to be with you.
• 2:49
  Seth Holehouse: So you have a I would almost say it's a prophetic website, just to start there, called it's technocracy news. So it's technocracy.news is the URL. And you've been covering technocracy for decades. And now I think it's at a place where a lot of Americans, even your common Americans, are saying, hey. Hold on.
• 3:11
  I'm not sure I like this AI stuff. I'm not sure I like that data center or that flock camera. And it's very easy to get focused on the specific thing. Right? Like, I don't want that flock camera on my street right now.
• 3:25
  Right? Or neighbor, get rid of your Ring doorbell. I don't want that. But it's sometimes easy to get kinda stuck in the weeds without seeing the bigger picture. And that's where I think that you're a really important voice in helping people to understand the bigger picture of what's happening right now.
• 3:42
  Because I think that what's happening right now transcends politics. It transcends so many other things. There's a very, very significant shift that's happening in our country. You might even call it a technocratic coup that's under place. So, anyway, I'll I'll let maybe you if you wanna give a little bit of your background, and we can just dive in wherever you want to.
• 4:01
  Patrick Wood: You bet. I I started studying globalization in the nineteen seventies when I partnered with the late Professor Anthony Sutton at Stanford University. Well, he just, he left Stanford when I met him, but we wrote on the trilateral commission. That was our specialty back then. He was an economics guy, a professor.
• 4:26
  I wasn't, but I was schooled in economics. And so we after the trilateral commission, and that set the stage for my understanding of technocracy. When I finally discovered technocracy in the early 2000s, I thought I knew something about American history. Apparently, I didn't. But it shocked me that there was only one economic system in the world that had been created from scratch.
• 4:56
  There's no, and I studied this extensively. There's nobody in the world that ever tried to create an economic system from scratch, except for Columbia University in 1932 when engineers and scientists got together in the heat of the depression, and they said, we can do better. We can solve all society's problems with engineering and science, and we the algorithms. They didn't have AI yet, but they thought they were smarter than anybody else in the universe, so they set out to create a new economic system. This was what was picked up by Zbigniew Brzezinski and David Rockefeller in 1973 when they said, and this was their founding document with the Trilateral Commission.
• 5:44
  They said, We're going to create a new international economic order. We didn't understand that at the time because we had no visibility of historic technocracy. If we had, we would have said a me oh, new, we get it. That's there's new over here. There's new over there.
• 6:03
  There's no other system in the world that's other than this. So when I discovered historic technocracy, I put all the pieces together, and I I discovered this is exactly what Brzezinski was talking about, the new Technotronic era. That's what he called it. He he was looking forward fifty years from 1973 into our current day when he said, we're going to be given over to a system that will be total, total what I want to say he used the term technotronic instead of technocratic, but this was his vision for the new era that was coming. When he said there was three errors, excuse me, there's three eras, He was looking the one behind then, in other word, before 'seventy three.
• 7:04
  Then he was looking at the current system era, and then he looked forward to the new era. We're in that new era now, and it's plaguing everybody. Almost everybody's missed this at this point, but let me tell you what happened. When the technocrats started in earnest to build their infrastructure for what we have today, nobody was paying attention of the seeds that they planted, even like in 2000. So picture yourself going down a street, the street you've been down many times, and you look to the left or left or the right, and you see, oh, there's a building just shooting up.
• 7:55
  Maybe it's a multistory building and you go, where'd that come from? I didn't see that. Who did that? And it just it appears, right? Well, you know that that building took a lot of planning, maybe years, to get all the permits, the studies, the engineering, the architecture, the investors all together.
• 8:17
  It might have taken years to get to the point where they could break ground and erect the building. Right? This is what's happened to us today. There's been a slow building of all the necessary elements. And all of a sudden, technocracy is being erected on us all of a sudden.
• 8:39
  And like you said, people this year and late last year, they're figuring out where did this all where did this stuff come from? Like, the surveillance stuff, flock cameras, mentioned, like the surveillance total surveillance system being erected, the digital currency that's being the privatized digital currency that's being erected right now. The data centers, where do they come? Who saw data centers coming in 2024? There was nothing there.
• 9:19
  So we're dealing with a monster at this point. It's being erected in real time. And this is what we're gonna talk about today. But but we have to remember, it's been they've had a long time to prepare their chops, if you will, to get this thing erected like it's going up right now.
• 9:42
  Seth Holehouse: And so looking at just the the the current, I guess, landscape here in America, you know, there's there's always been since the since the the the birth of the nation, there's always been external threats, you know, different whether it was the crown trying to exert control, whether it was, you know, the communist or the KGB or you know, there there's always been threats looking for ways to infiltrate and overtake and gain control of, you you know, the most powerful nation in the world. If if they can control the military or resources, it's it's the crown jewel. Right? If someone wants a global control, they wanna be able to control The United States Of America. And we've seen a lot of that infiltration and you know, through the years.
• 10:28
  But I find that when Trump got in in his second term and when even leading up to him winning, all of a sudden, you saw all these same characters that were very anti Trump, you know, the previous years, whether it was Zuckerberg or Bezos or, you know, people that were actively censoring and attacking conservative values, that you very suddenly saw them aligning very closely around Trump, you know, putting in hundreds of millions of dollars. You hear about these secret Silicon Valley meetings that were happening where they'd raise a couple $100,000,000 for his campaign, and you have all these characters very suddenly coming in and getting around. And then Trump wins the election. And I think it was, what, day two, you've got him on stage with Sam Altman and Larry Ellison Mhmm. Talking about, you know, the $500,000,000,000, data center project for project Stargate.
• 11:24
  But then you have Elon Musk coming in. Right? When and suddenly, Elon Musk becomes a conservative hero. He buys Twitter. He brings all the accounts back.
• 11:31
  He gains the favor of a lot of the people that were feeling very disenfranchised and feeling that we know, there's no billionaires on our side. All the billionaires are just pushing the globalist and the liberal agendas. Now you've got, you know, allegedly the richest person in the world coming in. He comes out with his dark MAGA hat. And so you have this huge shift happening.
• 11:52
  But then if you look at, you know, kinda kinda looking at Trump's administration objectively, you know, I'm happy to see that there's you know, we've separated the the men and the women in sports, and, you know, we're doing our best to close the border and some positive things. But I'm also seeing that under him, the infrastructure, the technocratic infrastructure has been accelerated at a pace that was probably unimaginable to think about that. Right?
• 12:19
  Patrick Wood: Yes.
• 12:20
  Seth Holehouse: The integration of Palantir into the government, the Doge operations, which kind of opened up the the hood for the entire tech industry to come in. And so how how do you when you see this happening, and I'm sure that you're watching these things every day happening with the knowledge that you have, how do you make sense of the changes that we're seeing right now in America, and what's really happening, and if through your perspective?
• 12:44
  Patrick Wood: Well, number one, the the tech bros that came to Washington DC, that they were all they they operated in a pack. They weren't individuals. They operated as a pack of wolves, perhaps, but they were predatory. And when, for instance, people focused on Elon Musk and Doge, but they didn't pay attention to the Secretary of Commerce, Howard Lutnick, David Sacks, the AI czar. He was part of the PayPal mafia back in the day.
• 13:23
  And these other people that came under the government, there's a pack of them. So as it turns out, you can see how apolitical they were. They didn't have any affinity to stay with the left side of the spectrum. They were just fine coming over to Trump. So I wouldn't call them political prostitutes necessarily, but you get the idea.
• 13:55
  They don't care who they attach themselves to as long as they cooperate. And it just so happened, for whatever reason, Trump wanted to cooperate with these people. And he's, he's emerged now as technocrat in chief of all these people in Washington DC.
• 14:12
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• 14:30
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• 15:08
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• 15:30
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• 15:40
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• 16:36
  Patrick Wood: And just for your audience's sake, I voted for Trump myself. But you have to remember, there's two sides of Trump. One is the political side. And we argue all about the politics all the time. Okay.
• 16:53
  He's done some good things, like you mentioned. But then there's the economic Trump. That's another animal altogether. That's based on technocracy at this point. He sees this as an opportunity perhaps to conquer the world, so to speak.
• 17:13
  But at least he's gone along with their plans, at least, to reform America structurally. Like, when I say structurally, we'll talk we're gonna talk about the dark enlightenment as well. When I say structure structurally, president Trump signed an executive order almost on the first day that he was gonna prevent the Fed, Federal Reserve, from pursuing central bank digital currencies. Everybody cheered. Finally, somebody's going to get after the Fed.
• 17:56
  That wasn't the intention, though. What they did when they moved the Fed aside from research on digital currencies, they took opportunity to create a new privatized system. Nobody saw this coming, but the privatized system is now in Washington DC. And it's when I say it's privatized, it's in just a few hands at this point. And they've they're they're they've created a financial system that will change the nature of everything in America.
• 18:40
  Nobody asked for this. Nobody wanted it in the first place, but they just did it. This is a hallmark of technocratic thinking, by the way. They don't need permission. They don't need consent of the governor.
• 18:54
  Just they're gonna do it. So America has been structurally changed with the financial system. That's probably the most important thing in any economic system, the financial system that underpins it. Now we see everything's going to be tokenized. And when they talk about tokenization, well, Larry Fink, the head of BlackRock, says anything that can be tokenized will be tokenized.
• 19:27
  I talked about tokenization last year, but then this year, the New York Stock Exchange came out with a blockbuster announcement. They're gonna tokenize every stock on the New York Stock Exchange.
• 19:42
  Seth Holehouse: So explain to us. Walk us through what tokenization is for if the people that it's the first time hearing that. What does it mean to tokenize everything or tokenize the stock exchange?
• 19:52
  Patrick Wood: This is this is it is kinda hard hard to understand because it's all based on software and things that you can't see. You can't touch it. You can touch the dollar bill, but you can't touch a token. When they talk about payment tokens, the Federal Reserve was researching payment tokens. That was a concept behind central bank digital currencies.
• 20:21
  Payment tokens are used to move money from you to me in places around the world. That's a simple concept. But there was another element to the payment tokens, and that was that they can become programmable. So if you have a payment token in your wallet that represents money or value, whatever, and you want to buy a plane ticket to go to wherever, you can be blocked from buying a plane ticket with your token. That's programmable money.
• 21:00
  There's another aspect, however, to print payment tokens, and that's the flip side is asset tokens. Asset tokens were never in the view of the federal federal reserve in the first place. They had no no research going on on that at all. Trump and the technocrats in Washington DC say, well, we we have to have the whole the whole thing here. We want the we want to control the payments tokens just to move money here and there, but we also want to control the asset tokens.
• 21:41
  Now when I when I talk about asset tokens, consider, for instance, BlackRock has bought thousands and thousands of homes across America after the last financial meltdown in 2008. So they've had a huge inventory that they've accumulated. And they're rentals, rental properties. So you can rent a house for them, and they'll maintain it. Not very well, but they'll maintain it.
• 22:16
  And you live in it. You pay them rent. Whatever whatever rent they want to charge, you you're gonna pay it. But they've they've taken all these houses as as and put them in a portfolio. And they've tokenized all of that portfolio to spread the investment around the world.
• 22:37
  So people can buy tiny fractures, even $10 of the piece of that pie. And this they say this is this is going to benefit benefit the the little investor around the world. Let him have a piece of the pie, the American dream, whatever. It's just nonsense. But when they spread the investment around the world using tokenization, they collect the majority of the tokens themselves when it comes in, and they manage the properties from there on.
• 23:16
  They figured out that they can make more money with tokenization like this than they used to have when they loan money to you to collect your interest, but you keep the equity. So the equity is now in their hands, and you're a renter, you're a user with a license agreement to use the property, whatever it might be. This is the heartbeat of tokenization. There's no value other than this in software. And the biggest drawback for us as individuals is it's programmable all the way.
• 23:58
  And so asset tokens can be switched into payment tokens to move money, and you can switch back into an asset if you want to, but it's just in software. And so when they say, well, this is going to be good for humanity to have this investment opportunity, that's nonsense because it'll turn around and control everybody's spending. And you won't like it when they get it in view. But remember, when we look back at Agenda 21, for instance, in 1992, that brought in all the nonsense with climate change and property rights being stripped away and all that nonsense. Well, that was a start of programmable era, if you will.
• 25:09
  For instance, in England, we saw credit cards being issued to people that were based on their carbon footprint. And so they spend on certain things with their credit card, right? That was an early iteration of this. But at this point, any kind of criteria that they want to set on you to control your spending based on your political persuasion, perhaps, maybe your carbon footprint, your position on abortion, or it doesn't matter, they can control your money, not on your behalf exactly, but they can control your money, and they think this is a good idea. They didn't ask anybody, but they think this is a great idea that we can control where people are going to invest their money.
• 26:08
  Seth Holehouse: So And so so, basically, so the the tokenization of assets and for a very kind of elementary view is, basically, it's creating a kind of a digital representation of a physical asset. Right? That so say even this 10 ounce bar of silver. Right? Right now, this is not tokenized.
• 26:26
  You know, I have it. You know, aside from it being on the podcast, they don't know that I have it. I can go give it to my local farmer for, you know, a quarter cow. You know, if if I wanted to have it exchanged like that, that would be completely outside of the control of the government. But the idea being is that and I know that that, you know, if you're looking at, you know, the BIS and the the unified ledger, that there is this push for the tokenization of really everything.
• 26:50
  Right? So that you actually don't own this. It's like, well, you own the token that gives you access to this, but that token is programmable, controlled by AI and algorithms Mhmm. You know, with the future being that you won't even own a car. You won't own your house, but you'll have access.
• 27:06
  You you own the token that gives you access to that, but that token can be taken away. That token can be, you know, kind of the access to it can be modified based upon your behavior. Right? Is that a a kind of a simple way of looking at it?
• 27:18
  Patrick Wood: Yep. Yep. Absolutely. Yeah.
• 27:21
  Seth Holehouse: And so so you're kind of walking through the, you know, the the Trump administration coming in and this push for this tokenization. Right? This, but then you you also have, if I'm, you know, understanding correctly that, you know, the tokenization and the control of these assets, you need to have the surveillance and the data processing capacity infrastructure in place to manage all of this complex, digital activity that is then used to Mhmm. To control these things. Right?
• 27:55
  That that's why the it's you know, obviously, they would love for everyone to be driving Tesla cars because a Tesla car, they can monitor remotely. They can turn it off remotely. They don't want you to own a '65 Chevy, right, that you can fix with your own two hands, and you can drive without them knowing where you are if you're not carrying a smartphone with you. So is that kind of what we're seeing though, this this push, this consolidation to force people in any way, really, outside of these independent systems into these more convenient digital versions of these systems that really that becomes you're you're kind of walking into the slaughterhouse. Right?
• 28:32
  Or you're kind of stepping into the prison. The prison door's open and say, oh, well, it's more convenient in there because they give me a square meal every day. Is that what we're seeing?
• 28:41
  Patrick Wood: Well, what's happening, options are being taken away from people. When I say options, you wanted to buy a house, you could survey the market and find all the options for buying a house and what kind of house you might want to buy, and you want a pool, you want three bedrooms or whatever. The options are being removed one by one or maybe en masse, but the options will not be there in the future for you to make decisions that suits you. So the option to, for instance, going forward, the option for people, especially young people today, there's no option for ownership. Now, you could argue, well, private ownership is still there.
• 29:35
  If you have enough money, you could do it. But for those people who can't do it, it's immaterial to them. There's no opportunity for them to have private property. What we used to call private property, we kinda need to call it now sovereign property because they redefined the concept of private property altogether. But having said that, the concept of owning something like you're a bar of silver there, this is going away in the future where you won't this is a heartbeat of what the World Economic Forum said ten years ago.
• 30:13
  You will own nothing and you'll be happy. I don't know how that's possible, but they really meant that. That was not just a slogan. That wasn't just rhetoric. They meant it.
• 30:25
  I'm totally convinced of that. And so we have They say, well, now you still have dollars in your hand. They're still going to be around, but they're declining in quantity. And they say, well, the new digital system is going to be so convenient and so compelling for you, you want to ditch everything else, like all the paper money, the silver, the gold, all that kind of stuff. You're gonna ditch that.
• 30:57
  And they'll say, well, but it's voluntary. It's voluntary. You don't have to do that. But then they take the options away from you to buy in the first place. And someday you wake up and they say, well, gee, I wanna buy some gold.
• 31:12
  I can't find a place to buy it or wanna buy a house. I can't get the money. I can't get somebody to sell me a nice house. What happened? Well, this is how they've taken away the options from us, and they're fencing us in to a digital gulag in the end.
• 31:37
  Seth Holehouse: And would you say that would you say that it's accurate to say that right now in this country that our our nation is undergoing a technocratic coup? Would it be accurate to say that the this system of government, the, you know, kind of two part two party system, the checks and balances, do you think that that system is actively being replaced by a technocratic system? And if so, what is the end goal of this technocratic system? Because from what I've seen, it's their end goal is democracy is a nuisance. Freedom is a nuisance.
• 32:20
  Too many humans are a nuisance. But what what what would you say? Like, where are we at right now, and where are we headed?
• 32:26
  Patrick Wood: We need this is a good time to talk about the the dark enlightenment. Perfect. This is a crazy philosophy. You might remember you mentioned Elon Musk had a black hat on when he trotted out in supporting Trump, and it had a MAGA on it, but like it wasn't red. Right?
• 32:49
  It was black. And he said, I'm not just MAGA, but I'm dark MAGA. He said actually, he said dark dark Gothic mega, no nobody had a clue what he was talking about. He said, You know, he a chainsaw. He's gonna gotta cut cut everything apart, I guess, like the the the Texas what what was that?
• 33:14
  That stupid horror film?
• 33:17
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, the chainsaw massacre.
• 33:18
  Patrick Wood: Yeah. I know. It's crazy. Okay. So here's Elon trotting stave.
• 33:24
  Nobody had a clue what he was talking about. He was talking about the dark enlightenment. It was revealed to some people, at least, when they started studying Curtis Yarvin and Peter Thiel after the inauguration, especially. Then it became clear what he was talking about, the dark enlightenment, was coming in as a philosophy that's guiding the arch technocrats in Washington, DC. And by the way, not all technocrats go along with the dark enlightenment.
• 33:57
  And a lot of tech workers would not say that's a good thing either. But these people at the top are invested in the dark enlightenment. This started with Peter Thiel. Peter Thiel is a guy that financed Curtis Yarvin in the first place. He was a fellow tech bro back in the day.
• 34:19
  And so Peter Thiel said about Curtis Yarvin, he's my house philosopher. That tells you, well, he understands the philosophy that Yarvin put forth, and he spread this around to the other technocrats in Washington, DC. So they're marching, as I said, as a pack. What do they mean, the dark enlightenment? I'll just give you some markers of it.
• 34:44
  Number one, they want to create a monarchy. Not a presidency, not a constitutional republic. They want to create a monarchy. Then they say, we're going to have a sovereign corporation. And the sovereign corporation is going to replace the state.
• 35:03
  And the sovereign corporation will be run like a startup in Silicon Valley with a strong minded CEO type of person. That will be the monarch that's controlled under everything. Then they said, we're going to transfer all the property in America into the sovereign corporation, soft corp, to be managed by the technocrats, starting with the monarch at the top, managed by technocrats for the public good. This is this is so otherworldly. People can't get their hand around it.
• 35:44
  Seth Holehouse: This is nice. I wanna I wanna repeat it back to you for that exact reason. Right? So okay. Yes.
• 35:49
  Elon comes on the stage. He has this dark MAGA. I I own one of those hats. I was like, oh, that's kind of a cool, you know, like a dark black MAGA hat. Right?
• 35:57
  So and so he comes on. It's the dark MAGA. Okay? So what we've established so far, though, is that we have all these these tech bros that have aligned themselves around the Trump administration. You have Elon really at the at the forefront of that, but Peter Thiel, obviously very involved, Zuckerberg, Bezos, etcetera.
• 36:14
  And so but if you look at Curtis Yarvin, who is the what they said, the house political philosopher, basically. So this is kind of the that you he's the kind of the worm tongue, right, whispering in and and and kinda carrying through this philosophy, the philosophy of being that the technocratic goal is a almost like a techno monarchy. Right? It's to completely dissolve the political system as we know it, to dissolve the constitution, to dissolve the constitutional republic, any idea of democracy, of of voting. So to get rid of all that, to put in a monarchy type system with a central figure that is acting more of a as a CEO of a corporation that's running the country as a as a business.
• 37:04
  That business then basically takes over all private property, tokenizes it, then redistributes it. So it's kind of like a techno monarchy communism type situation. And it seems so wild, but then if you I guess sometimes, like, the craziest ideas make the most sense when you say, okay. Well, why is this? Why Elon?
• 37:26
  Why Doge? Why Peter Thiel? Why Bezos is all Why is all why are all these things happening? Why are the flock centers? Why the $500,000,000,000 investment with Larry Ellison into the data centers?
• 37:37
  It's like, why the executive orders protecting data centers to protect us from the arms AI arms race from China? And if you kinda piece all those things together, and you look at it, and you say, oh, maybe the one thing that actually makes sense of all of that is that these are all pieces of a very coordinated plan to seize control of The United States Of America and dissolve our system and bring in a techno technocracy. Right? Whether they wanna call it a monarchy or whatever, fundamentally, is a technocracy. Is that I mean, as as crazy as it sounds, would you say that that's the the discussions being had in these private Silicon Valley meetings?
• 38:21
  Patrick Wood: Exactly. And let me let me just, I have to say this because people don't understand history of technocracy. I'm gonna re rewind back to 1932, 1933 when FDR was elected. He he he brought us the New Deal, and it wasn't really new, and it wasn't a deal, but never that's another issue. The technocrats of that day, and there was a very strong movement, especially amongst the elite of the country who wanted to implement technocracy just like they wrote it in 1932.
• 38:57
  So
• 38:58
  Seth Holehouse: Here's a magazine cover from the 1933 issue There you go. Of Technocracy Magazine.
• 39:03
  Patrick Wood: Yeah. You think they got it? Yeah. That's crazy. Okay.
• 39:07
  So here's here's what they did. The the a guy, a technocrat, wrote a book. I have a hard copy version of it. I should have had it here to show it to you, but I don't it's not much bookshelf. But I have a book where the guy was talking about technocracy and how great it is, whatever, and he appealed in the last chapter that was the sum of the book that FDR should declare himself dictator, dismiss Congress, and appoint technocrats top to bottom to run the country.
• 39:42
  That's the same thing. That's exactly what happened. They tried it back then. FDR, a political animal, he was, he said, nah, I'm not going go for that. But then he went and he inducted a lot of those technocrats into his administration that helped him out.
• 40:03
  But they convince him to create the monarchy, if you will. And they actually created an org chart. We understand a corporate org chart today, where you have the president, now vice presidents and directors and all that kind of stuff. They actually had an org chart that they drafted up to run the country. I have a copy of it.
• 40:28
  It's unbelievable. They thought that they were better qualified to make all the decisions for everybody in society. Everything is manufactured. Everything is consumed. All energy produced and consumed will be in their hands.
• 40:44
  This is it. Right here? There you go. That's it. That's exactly what they did.
• 40:49
  The continental director is the monarch at this point, and so they have Continental Board. But none of these people were elected by the popular vote, for sure. So this is why Americans got wind what was going on here. We're not going to do that. We're not going to go to that kind of a system.
• 41:12
  But this is exactly what they're trying to do today. They're coming in, and they're bringing this philosophy as hardly modified from the original thing. But when they talk about a continental director versus a CEO type monarch or whatever, it doesn't matter. But this is the same exact playbook that they're they're that they're putting on us today.
• 41:40
  Seth Holehouse: This map right here, you notice it says the org chart. It says the administration chart of the North American Technate, which is referring to this right here. And and then this is an old this is a map from 1940. Right? This was this I'm not sure this was published in the magazine at that time, but
• 41:58
  Patrick Wood: Actually actually, it goes back for for further than that. The Technocracy study Course that was written by M. Keene Hubbard and Howard Scott in 1934, this picture was on their cover of their magazine. Or not magazine, but the book, the hard copy book, the Technocracy Study Course.
• 42:21
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• 42:52
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• 43:36
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• 44:22
  But also, if you look at if you look at a lot of the actions of Trump with regards to, you know, trying to, you know, basically wanting to take control over Greenland, but, you know, of Canada, you know, of potentially Mexico. I mean, do you think that is that part of this whole plan? Is that what that's about?
• 44:44
  Patrick Wood: It seems to be. Yeah. It it does. I I it's almost unmistakable at this point. Nobody's mentioned technocracy or technate or this map.
• 44:55
  However, when Trump got into office and he said, we're going to take Panama and Greenland, the mainstream media went to the Internet looking for pictures. They discovered the one you just showed on the screen, and they used that to try to, you know, say, Trump is whatever he's doing, this is it. They had no clue that that map was from 1934 in the first place, and it was expressing technocracy desire at that point to create this, what they call the North American Technate, and includes now Venezuela and the top the tippy top of South America and all of all of Central America and Mexico and Canada. And basically, Trump along the way has said something about every country in that whole mix, right, from Greenland down to Venezuela. Crazy.
• 46:03
  Seth Holehouse: And so you mentioned so Curtis Yarvin. Right? This is a New Yorker profile on him back in 2025. This is Curtis Yarvin's plot against America. And you can if you read through this, you can see they're not hiding this.
• 46:14
  It's it's out in the open. But I also know that that he has this guy, which, again, reminding people that this is the guy that is in the ear of Peter Thiel, in the ear of he's kind of the philosopher of these these technocrats. Right? He's almost like the Yuval Harari type character, from the more philosophical, maybe not as much as scientific, but if you look at some of the things that he's talked about where he's basically implied some sort of benevolent genocide, implying that, you know, as this technocracy advances, that humans become more and more useless. And so that you can give them this kind of benevolent genocide of just hooking them up into a matrix type thing where they can entertain themselves in some sort of digital space, but their bodies aren't gonna be I mean, it sounds again, it sounds like we're getting into sci fi here, but to keep in mind, this guy is the the philosophical adviser to some of those powerful men, arguably Yes.
• 47:12
  People arguably potentially even more powerful than than Donald Trump within our own country, and this is the guy that's advising them.
• 47:19
  Patrick Wood: Exactly. I I need to read this word by word for word from his blog called Patchwork in 2008 when he talks about benevolent genocide. People need to see how horrific this is. He said, however, it helps us to describe the problem we're trying to solve, whatever that is. This is the problem.
• 47:48
  Our goal, in short, is a humane alternative to genocide. This is out of his mouth. That is, the ideal solution achieves the same result as mass murder, the removal of undesirable elements from society. But without any type of any moral stigma, perfection can't be achieved on both of these counts. But we can get closer than most might think.
• 48:20
  The best humane alternative to genocide I can think of is not to liquidate the wardswe're the wards, I guesseither metaphorically or literallybut to virtualize them. A virtualized human is in a permanent solitary confinement, waxed like a bee larvae into a cell which is sealed except for emergencies. Think the movie The Matrix. This would drive him insane, except that the cell contains an immersive virtual reality interface, which allows him to experience a rich, fulfilling life in a completely imaginary world. That's Curtis Yarvin.
• 49:13
  This is the guy that's that's advising Peter Thiel and all the tech bros in Washington DC. Bell you know, benevolent genocide. Give me a break. These people are gonna end up being the the killers of the century.
• 49:29
  Seth Holehouse: And so, I mean, piecing this all together, Again, as we were talking about earlier, it seems so crazy, but when you put it all together, as long as I think someone can look at this discussion, this argument with an open mind, because there's all kinds of the cognitive dissonance, the normalcy bias, and thinking, well, that could never happen here. That that's not gonna happen. There's no way. But then if you look at it objectively, you look at this out of pure, rational, just analyzing what's happened, you can see that you mentioned that building suddenly appears. Right?
• 50:06
  So it's almost like right now what we're looking at is that, okay. Hey. Here's the building plan. Here's the stamped architectural diagrams. Here's the permits that are signed off on it.
• 50:15
  Here's the they're already digging the foundation. They've got all the excavators in place, and people are still, I think, a lot of times looking at it and saying, oh, there's not gonna be a building there. That's just a farm. And there's never been a building there. There could not possibly be a building there, but, I mean, it it just, again, objectively, it looks like that this entire infrastructure is almost in place, and and the things that aren't in place are being rapidly rapidly developed and deployed.
• 50:44
  Patrick Wood: There's a theory, a formal theory that goes along with Karvan Yarvin's thinking called accelerationism. You'll read about this, for instance, in Marc Andreessen's manifesto, tech optimist manifesto, the concept of accelerationism. What that means is that you accelerate until it breaks. Whatever the system is, you accelerate until it breaks. So they're trying to accelerate the system far beyond the ability of Congress or any other regulatory body to catch them with regulations or steerings or whatever.
• 51:36
  So the idea is to accelerate beyond the ability of society to catch up until society breaks and the whole system falls apart. This is, again, this is an evil iteration of something that has no counterpart in history. This is not communism. This is not socialism. This is not fascism, even.
• 52:01
  This is flat out controlled by algorithm. And we've never dealt with this before. You can't touch it. Even the communism, you have the opportunity to get your hands around somebody's neck. The local leaders, right?
• 52:20
  You can't do that with technocracy. These people have got everything under such control. You have no way to approach or to get a ruling in your favor no matter what. I'll give you, this is a silly example perhaps, but there was a lady in California who had a house. She lived there for twenty years, And she got a letter from insurance company, the house insurance company.
• 52:56
  I don't remember who it was. I wouldn't say it on air anyway. But the insurance company said, your roof needs repair. And so you have to repair, get a new roof, or we're going to drop your insurance on your house. Well, she didn't want to drop insurance.
• 53:16
  And she says, there's nothing wrong with my house. And she knew that the insurance company didn't have anybody that came and inspected her roof. She suspected something happened here. Why would they want to do that? She discovered that there was another company that sells services to the insurance company.
• 53:43
  They fly drones taking pictures of people's houses and their roofs in particular, and they analyze it with AI. And then they give a list to the insurance company of all the people who need new roofs. And they said they're telling her now, you have to replace your roof or else, okay? She has no recourse to appeal. Who do you talk to?
• 54:14
  They lay it out, well, it's just AI, the picture, there it is. This is the type of stuff that will drive people crazy. How about the people who have been misidentified with flock cameras and their car is reported stolen and all of a sudden it could be a grandma and a grandpa in the car or whatever, or just some innocent guy. I think two journalists got tagged recently. But the car, they said the police approached them with guns drawn.
• 54:53
  You never know about those car thieves. They could be armed and dangerous. And so these people frightened them out of their mind. What do you Officer, this is my car. How can you say this is stolen?
• 55:07
  Well, the cameras made a mistake, and the AI made a mistake. And, oh, we're really sorry in the end of it. They have to apologize, I guess, but this is insane. This is the kind of world they're moving into where there's no escape and there's no way to appeal a decision.
• 55:31
  Seth Holehouse: And so, one, kinda coming full circle and looking at what we can actually do about this. I mean, I am seeing there are a lot of positive trends, a, just looking at the the kind of the the mass resistance to flock cameras to and and Axon cameras. I think, hopefully, people start seeing that, oh, yeah. Yeah. You cut down one flock camera, two Axon cameras pop up.
• 55:55
  Right? So we have to see through that, the resistance to data centers. I know that the younger generations, which historically have always been the first early adopters of new technology, they're resisting AI. A lot of them were actually actively sabotaging AI in the workplace. And we also are now seeing that you know, I saw a study recently in the past couple of months that, you know, the the vast, vast majority of companies that made huge investments into AI actually lost money on that.
• 56:21
  So AI being the savior that replaced the workforce isn't really, you know, kind of happening. So so there are some encouraging things, not to mention just the the huge movement towards homeschooling, people moving out of cities, you know, moving back towards the country. But how do you you know, for people you know, we're the thing is we're not communist China yet. Right? You know, we're we still have a voice.
• 56:44
  We still have our freedom to a certain degree. How do we resist this? How can people that are aware of this threat and see it for what it is? How can we stop this from happening and prevent our country from going into this dark enlightenment where we're ruled by technocratic overlords?
• 57:00
  Patrick Wood: Yeah. Yeah. That that that that's a great question. I I think peep personally, I think people should, think local, not global. In other words, where the action is right now is at your city council level, your county commissioner level.
• 57:15
  This is the first area of protection for you personally. Then you have the state governments as well. Myself and Courtney Turner, we just recently created a digital bill of rights document. It's on our website, and people can pick it up. But we created this for legislators around the country to take a look at and say, guys, if you were to execute this somehow, either by amendment in the state constitution or whatever, you could put a safety net around every individual in your state to prevent the technocracy from tagging them, if you will.
• 58:02
  And it covers every conceivable aspect. So instead of it might not be possible to get all the cameras off the streets or maybe the data centers off the land. But if people can be insulated from the effects of it where they can't get at you, then you have a fighting chance, I think, to put an end of it. In other words, give them no option to exercise against you. So I tell people at this point, go to your state level, go to your city level and a county level, talk to the people in charge, mostly the people you elected along the way, talk to them and explain what's going on.
• 58:49
  Take our books to them. Take the digital bill of rights. Maybe they can't pass it, but they sure can appreciate the statement that we're making with it. You have the right to your own sanctity, for your own dignity. These are inalienable rights that our Constitution basically laid out in the first place.
• 59:16
  Not rights given by man, but we believe given by God. So this is where people need to start. It's futile at this point to think that Washington, DC is going to save us. They've turned to be the enemies of the people at this point. Unfortunately, I have to say that.
• 59:36
  But not all of the government, for sure, but at least this technocrat corps in Washington DC, they're dead set on destroying America. All the other people that work there, I'm sure they're not on board. I mean, I I just I know some people, like in civil service, they're not they don't wanna destroy America at all. They're just normal people doing the job, most of them. So the people at the top of this technocratic machine, they're the ones that are causing all the trouble.
• 1:00:07
  You look at the people like Sam Altman and Google and the other people you mentioned, these are the people that are causing the trouble in our country. And they're marching to a different drummer than we've ever seen in the history of our country. We need to somehow get them off our back and send them into the last century, perhaps, where they belong.
• 1:00:32
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. Which I think it's really it's it's just decentralized grassroots movements. It's even printing out flyers. You're handing out flyers, educating people, sharing interviews like this, sharing your website. It's just getting that's the thing is that the the people, you know, that it it's arguable whether the, you know, government is for the people and by the people anymore.
• 1:00:52
  However, I'd say that the people still hold a lot of power in this country. And when the people unite around something, And not something that is there's some propaganda pushed by CNN and and and all the coordinated, you know, algorithms and everything, but an actual grassroots movement of people recognizing this for what it is. And the opportunity is ripe right now. If you look at the discussion on data centers, on flock cameras, this is now becoming a mainstream discussion. And so I think that this is we have to really lean into the momentum and try to create this snowball effect where technocracy becomes something that's being discussed at your average dinner table across America.
• 1:01:29
  I think that will be a time when their plans will have a very difficult time, being put into place.
• 1:01:36
  Patrick Wood: I would like to see a day when we can talk about technocracy like they did in the nineteen fifties. Yeah. And they would say stuff like, you can't believe what those people tried to do. We ran them out of town. And that would be a wonderful thing someday.
• 1:01:59
  Who knows? We might really put a dent in their armor. Maybe not, but I think that's the only thing that we could try at this point, to do this. And they have weaknesses. They're just men, after all.
• 1:02:15
  And they have holes in their strategy, I'm sure. Like the data centers are on the verge of collapse right now. Investment is drying up. There's one statistic out on the street now that as much as 40% of current data centers are going to fail. There'll be empty buildings before it's done.
• 1:02:40
  That would be a good thing. That's a good visual cue that something's going on with them, pushing it back. So I think we can't say for certain that we're going to have an effect, but you have to fight. You have to fight this evil thing, or it will take over.
• 1:02:59
  Seth Holehouse: And I think it's also important that we band together in the ways that we can, build communities, and also just change the way that we live the best that we can. You know? Get get an old nineties car, right, if that's what it takes. I mean, go back to learn how to process and grow your own food, which and it's it's a good process, actually, because it's it pushes us back into looking at how did how did our grandparents live and and going back into that. And, you know, that's what's you know, we live in the country.
• 1:03:28
  We've got chickens and gardens and, you know, that's how we're trying to to do things in our life. And think, I ultimately, that's, you know, one of the things. If you're living in the right in the smack dab middle of a fifteen minute city and you've got 600 flock cameras within 10 blocks from you, you're gonna have a hard time resisting a push for this technocratic system. But if instead you're out in a rural area or even the, you know, more remote suburb, and you can build a more small localized community there, you know your farmer, you know where your food comes from, all those things, I think, add layers of protection and resilience, from this kind of system.
• 1:04:04
  Patrick Wood: I agree. I agree. It starts with you personally, and you can radiate out of your own mind to talk to people. And whatever it takes, maybe talking to a young person versus an older person might be different. We talk to servers all the time when we go out to eat.
• 1:04:25
  We always give them cash in hand and tell them why. And you'd be surprised how savvy they are. They understand that the war on cash, and they say, well, we like cash because we don't get our tips until ten days later when they process all the credit cards. We don't know really that there's no connection to the people we serve. We just get a check, something in our check.
• 1:04:51
  So they love cash. That's the point of contact, right?
• 1:04:57
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly. Yeah. Also, education, which, you know, bring up your website, technocracy.news. You've also got your your books on there. So you've got the store, but you look over here.
• 1:05:07
  There's a new release. This one just came out, the new economics of technocracy, you will owe nothing, and also, Final Betrayal. So I just, before the show, bought, Final Betrayal on audiobook. I'll be getting the Technocracy one next. I prefer to do audiobooks so I can listen while mowing the grass or something.
• 1:05:23
  But that's a big thing. Just checking out your website is is a it's a it's a huge resource that I've been going to for years to understand this information. And so, I guess, you know, Patrick, do you have any, any final words as we're closing out?
• 1:05:38
  Patrick Wood: I don't think so. We covered a lot of ground. We did. I say to people, if you think that this is so fantastic that it can't happen or nobody could have thunk at it in the first place, Remember, there's a lot of crazy ideas along the way that mankind is dealt with. This is just one more for sure.
• 1:06:05
  But this is the reality that these people are trying to force upon us, that we agree to it, we didn't sign a consent form, and we're the only people who can be in charge of our own future. We don't want anybody else to be in charge of our future, other than us. Yes, some people need guidance, for sure. Simple minded, need maybe some support. But by and large, people want to row their own boat.
• 1:06:43
  Right? I appreciate that. I'm like that. I think you probably are too. So to anybody that is listening to this broadcast, just resist however you can, resist the system, and don't let it consume you.
• 1:06:59
  Seth Holehouse: That's such a good point. Actually, one final thing I'll throw on throw in there is that I think this issue is a very uniting issue that can really bypass a lot of the political divide. I mean, I think if you go to your say, you're a conservative, you go to your average person with blue hair that has an Antifa shirt on and say, Hey, are you worried about Peter Thiel and the technocracy and the government? They're gonna say, Yeah, I'll buy you a coffee. Let's talk about it.
• 1:07:22
  Let's go Sawzall some Right. Some flock cameras together. So I think this this could be an issue that we can really help bring really both sides of the political aisle together. And, obviously, the libertarians and anarchists are obviously gonna be anti this. I think this is it's a great opportunity to unite the country.
• 1:07:39
  So, Patrick, thank you again for your wisdom and for your life's work, I look forward to speaking to you again. I appreciate the time that you've given us today.
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  Patrick Wood: I appreciate you as well. Thank you.
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