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The Kabbalah with Jin, Branch and Matt- Hod, Yesod, and Malkuth · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see somethings going to happen?
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 3: What's going to happen?
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Occult Rejects.
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  Speaker 5: This episode, we will be wrapping up the Kabala series
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  Speaker 5: a few episodes in and I'm very very happy I
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  Speaker 5: got it to do.
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  Speaker 2: I got to do the series with these gentlemen.
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  Speaker 5: It started off as me and Jin brought in Matt
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  Speaker 5: and brought in Branch and it's been a great, great ride.
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  Speaker 2: And again, very.
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  Speaker 5: Happy to have these gentlemen on talking about this, and
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  Speaker 5: I think it was some good work and I'm really
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  Speaker 5: proud of what we put out for.
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  Speaker 2: The listeners to hear.
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  Speaker 5: Sorry there wasn't too many dicks and demons in there,
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  Speaker 5: but you know, maybe next time.
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  Speaker 2: But before we get into talking.
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  Speaker 5: About uh, probably one of my favorite Holding is so
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  Speaker 5: probably two of my favorite I think they're very important
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  Speaker 5: and then Malcouth, but uh, you know, I'm sure even
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  Speaker 5: with even with Gin, I know we love to talk
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  Speaker 5: about Hold a lot, So this should definitely be an
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  Speaker 5: interesting one. And uh, guys, please we'll start over with
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  Speaker 5: you first.
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  Speaker 2: Gin.
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  Speaker 5: Let everybody know, especially if somehow this is their first time,
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  Speaker 5: which is crazy. Let everyone know what your deal is
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  Speaker 5: and the way they can find Oh your amazing works.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you so much, Nick, mister ninety three, I'll definitely
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  Speaker 6: call you after all the tele Mick people we've had
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  Speaker 6: on for sure, I mean major people. So thank you
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  Speaker 6: for bringing me on, Thank you for inviting. Obviously the
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  Speaker 6: brothers on we'll shout out are not our missing brother,
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  Speaker 6: but he's I told him, he's here in spirit. So
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  Speaker 6: Solar Exile are our kind of fourth pillar of the
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  Speaker 6: of our Gray Lodge, which is our our group show,
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  Speaker 6: our kind of roundtable show.
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  Speaker 4: And of course my brother Matt and my brother.
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  Speaker 6: Joshua the Branch, both of whom have been on my
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  Speaker 6: show multiple times, so multiple saints. And of course you
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  Speaker 6: can follow me on Twitter. Yes you can at Wukong
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  Speaker 6: Reborn w U k O ng Reborn. I'm just I'm
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  Speaker 6: trying out something. I'm just gin right now, so then
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  Speaker 6: I'm not retiring the ninja, you know, but maybe I'm
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  Speaker 6: a retired ninja. So you can also follow me at
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  Speaker 6: Threshold Saints. So that's for both I G and X.
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  Speaker 6: And then also you can follow us at the Gray
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  Speaker 6: Lodge both on YouTube like and subscribe please uh the
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  Speaker 6: Gray Lodge and then also our website which a brother
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  Speaker 6: Matt built for us, the True gray Lodge dot Com
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  Speaker 6: with t r v E gray Lodge dot com and
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  Speaker 6: yeah you can what what did I just drop?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 6: I just dropped a really awesome episode on Mayknock which
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  Speaker 6: who is like a Thai female ghost spirit that gets
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  Speaker 6: worshiped often in rural Thai Buddhism and with an American
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  Speaker 6: fellow dharma from on Twitter and he he lived in
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  Speaker 6: Thailand as a monk, so we got to talk about
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  Speaker 6: Thai Buddhism.
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  Speaker 4: And thy forest tradition. So it's more of a dharma
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  Speaker 4: episode than a magic episode.
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  Speaker 6: But of course anything Southeast Asian esoterica, you know I'm
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  Speaker 6: going to talk about magic and so thank you so much,
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  Speaker 6: and that's where you can find me.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome, thank you very much, Jim, and that we got
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  Speaker 2: our man Matt. What is going on?
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  Speaker 5: So please let everybody know they can find all your
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  Speaker 5: gems of research and not.
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  Speaker 1: For sure, very nice to be here again, Thanks again
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  Speaker 1: for calling. It was a nice thing to talk about. Kabala.
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  Speaker 1: So you can find me on all platforms at Metmore nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: So that's X, YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, coffee as well. Now
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  Speaker 1: Jin help me set up the thing. Now there's that,
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  Speaker 1: and there's also my website Kabbala dot com. That's k
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  Speaker 1: a A l A b a h dot com also
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  Speaker 1: very cool. Planning to do some changes there and as
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  Speaker 1: for my YouTube channel, also planning to come back with
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  Speaker 1: the Archometer series, which is pretty nice. I was trying
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  Speaker 1: to do something more professional there, but I guess for
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  Speaker 1: noledgis continue doing how I was doing it. Make sure
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't stop because that was really cool. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: very excited for finishing up to series today.
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  Speaker 2: So am I and again, thank you so much for
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  Speaker 2: coming on.
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  Speaker 5: And I really appreciate the stuff you got to say
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  Speaker 5: in kabal the way you break it down, it's perfect.
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  Speaker 5: And the branch, my man, what is going on? So
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  Speaker 5: please let everybody know what's up with you.
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  Speaker 7: Hello, it's a pleasure to be here. Thank you for
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  Speaker 7: having me once again. Any thanks for sharing all that stuff.
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  Speaker 7: Matt Jen you can find me featured in a lot
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  Speaker 7: of that stuff as well. The Great Lodge meets typically
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  Speaker 7: every Friday night. We do spaces on Twitter and think
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  Speaker 7: Matt those has been getting uploaded pretty current up to YouTube,
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  Speaker 7: so if you don't have Twitter, you can check us
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  Speaker 7: out there, but uh yeah, it's been a pleasure working
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  Speaker 7: with you all. And check out Threshold Saints for some
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  Speaker 7: of the new episodes. One for Resident Evil that Jenn
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  Speaker 7: and I did and we apply Kabala to the understanding
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  Speaker 7: of you know, evil and stuff like that in general.
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  Speaker 7: So it's a pretty cool episode for this time of year,
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  Speaker 7: and it's a pleasure to be here. Thank you so
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  Speaker 7: much for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh of course, thank you, thank you so yeah.
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  Speaker 5: In this, you know, with this, like the last few shows,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I've kind of just been covering the associations
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  Speaker 5: and I would like go on a little bit about
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  Speaker 5: like de Unfortune or Gareth Knight. I think they're mystical
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  Speaker 5: Kabala and the Kabalistic one by Gareth Knight, I think
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  Speaker 5: are really good books to understand Kabala. Gareth Knights will
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  Speaker 5: also go into the pets.
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  Speaker 2: Besides the spheres, it's a bunch of bigger book.
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna kind of like leave that out and just
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  Speaker 5: really stick with the associations. We've got three spheres in here,
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  Speaker 5: and like Hood and your sold who knows, like who
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  Speaker 5: knows what we might go into and just to try
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  Speaker 5: to keep it, you know, at whatever decent time.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, uh oh real quick.
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  Speaker 5: One thing I did think I forgot to mention in
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  Speaker 5: something I wanted to mention. Maybe I didn't, and maybe
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  Speaker 5: one of you guys can say, of homie, you remember
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  Speaker 5: the numerical value of different actually or of the sun.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's six six sex.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, there we go. I just wanted to have a
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  Speaker 2: reason to play that.
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  Speaker 5: But we did leave that out too, Yes, and I
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  Speaker 5: do think that's interesting for people to know. I never
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  Speaker 5: got to pluck that. I'll mention that. But uh yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I also just wanted to play my six six six sample. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: bringing six six six backs back. There's no reason to
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  Speaker 5: be scared.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't there a So? Is that the magic square value?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, in both, and this is really interesting that it's not.
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  Speaker 6: It doesn't correspond to every planet, to every planet between,
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  Speaker 6: like a Vedeck and Western Astro. But for making magic squares,
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  Speaker 6: the sun actually does a ligne on it six six six. Yes,
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  Speaker 6: this changes in contra, but in general and outer Joe Tisha,
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  Speaker 6: it's true that's six xx.
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  Speaker 5: Alright, I'm done playing around Now I'm gonna get serious,
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  Speaker 5: all right, So now on to Uh.
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  Speaker 7: There's a spirit named as Sorath. I think that's associated
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  Speaker 7: with it as well.
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  Speaker 5: Oh m hmm, all right, so hod real quick. The
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  Speaker 5: magical image both by both and pretty much uh by everybody.
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  Speaker 5: And I do think Heinrich Kuhnraths has an image of
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  Speaker 5: it where it kind of shows the hermaphrodite pre Bohamat
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  Speaker 5: even with the solva and coagula on his arms.
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  Speaker 2: That I think if anybody could go.
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  Speaker 5: Look at look at Heinrich Kuhnroth's emblems, and you'll eventually
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  Speaker 5: come up with that. But a hermaphrodite is a magical
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  Speaker 5: image that is constantly used here, and I'm sure we will.
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  Speaker 5: I think that symbolism says a lot for this sphere.
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  Speaker 5: The god name Elohim's abouth, God of hosts, the archangel Michael,
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  Speaker 5: the order of angels have been elo Him, the sons
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  Speaker 5: of God, the Chakra or whatever planet Mercury. Spiritual experience
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  Speaker 5: would be vision of splendor, virtue, truthfulness, vices, falsehood or dishonesty,
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  Speaker 5: symbols or magical weapons, names and verticals of the apron.
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  Speaker 5: People don't get that. It's kind of like a scroll
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  Speaker 5: and you're taking down names the apron. They do align
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  Speaker 5: kind of with the Masonic apron, the taro, the four eights,
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  Speaker 5: the colors that sleuth is violet, purple, bria, orange, yets,
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  Speaker 5: das right or russet and sireh a. How you say
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  Speaker 5: that one yellowish brown flecked white. So I mean, and
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  Speaker 5: one thing I would like to also add that is
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  Speaker 5: also you know the number eight. It's on the left side,
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  Speaker 5: alway on the bottom of the black pillar before you
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  Speaker 5: hit your sword, so.
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  Speaker 2: That's where it lies.
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  Speaker 5: Not too throw it onto you, but like, uh jin,
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  Speaker 5: you want to like maybe start off a little bit
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  Speaker 5: of what you got to say about holding that thing? Sure,
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  Speaker 5: and I already say you have an image down there,
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  Speaker 5: so I'm assuming that's for hold.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know. I could.
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  Speaker 6: I've got them all ready to rock and roll for Hodes,
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  Speaker 6: so whenever read I didn't do a dragon one, but
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  Speaker 6: I did him quite extensively for tiffer It, so he
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  Speaker 6: does apply. Okay, So like I think that that is
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  Speaker 6: what a lot of Western magicians. I'm not saying they
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  Speaker 6: mistake it. I'm trying not to use like a strict
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  Speaker 6: Manichean framework. I'm trying to be a little more flexible
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  Speaker 6: than I used to be. You know, we're all in
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  Speaker 6: flux and all changing, which is very hoadlike in a way.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, the dragon's tail kattu, the tail of smoke,
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  Speaker 6: he's he, it's what it's called. The hides in front
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  Speaker 6: of Mercury, in front of Bood. Bood is a very
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  Speaker 6: important planet. So this refers to the planetary or as
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  Speaker 6: we would call it in the gray Lodge, the colpathic
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  Speaker 6: body of the sufferer, but like a minor cleep, but
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  Speaker 6: not like it doesn't it depends on how you take it,
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  Speaker 6: which is also very hoad like. And so so Mercury
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  Speaker 6: is the planet of speech. So obviously there's a relationship
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  Speaker 6: between Buddhism or Buddha and the planet Bood Mercury because
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  Speaker 6: he is the speaker. He is the one who speaks
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  Speaker 6: to turn the wheel. This is the idea or his
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  Speaker 6: speech can carry through the tree of splendor. Now it
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  Speaker 6: is called this, so the language is quite similar. Now
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  Speaker 6: is this an issue of translation or is this like
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  Speaker 6: other people seeing parallels between the systems.
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  Speaker 4: Probably a bit of both.
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  Speaker 6: And but you do see like the same parallel and
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  Speaker 6: very perennial. I'm not a perennialist, but if you can
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  Speaker 6: see the perennial language like reused many times.
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  Speaker 4: So even though hod also means splendor.
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  Speaker 6: It actually can be applied to every suffra, every suffra,
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  Speaker 6: even the word suffra is does mean like a radiant spark,
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  Speaker 6: is something of splendor.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, you get the rainbow that comes out of that
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  Speaker 5: and goes into hoad. I mean you already got that
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  Speaker 5: going on.
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  Speaker 6: Well, and this goes back to your point on names.
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  Speaker 6: How I would think of hod is the sepherra of
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  Speaker 6: naming things. Yes, so in relationship to the rainbow at
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  Speaker 6: net sox, it is the names of the light, the colors.
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  Speaker 6: So the names of the colors are the words of splendor.
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  Speaker 6: So that is all the sepherra. It gives us the ability,
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  Speaker 6: at least the first spark that we can follow through
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  Speaker 6: the tree to see the sepharra in their splendor, manifold
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  Speaker 6: unfolding like a flower before us, unfolding like fireworks. There's
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  Speaker 6: a reason why in most languages fireworks are fires are
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  Speaker 6: flowers of fire. That's a perfect way to describe hode.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I but I even talk about my experience. Sorry,
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  Speaker 5: even when I talk about experience, what am I saying?
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  Speaker 5: I'm seeing explosions that turn into the roses.
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  Speaker 6: There you go because lemon rose first, that's the first
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  Speaker 6: work or wonder of splendor, and so to know their
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  Speaker 6: name that is very profound for the person who's experiencing
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  Speaker 6: it for the first time, but it's also very profound
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  Speaker 6: for people who have experienced it many times.
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  Speaker 4: Or at the end of an experience, because those names
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  Speaker 4: aka colors are what carry you through. It's like the
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  Speaker 4: memory of it carries you through till the next time.
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  Speaker 4: So I think it's a very important sephera. Now the
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  Speaker 4: hermaphrodite question. Now the two boys, and anyone who comes.
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  Speaker 6: To the Gray Lodge spaces knows that I I don't
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  Speaker 6: think of it quite as hermaphroditic, but I do think
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  Speaker 6: of it as in flux. So I think it's about perception.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's about how the mythology and the stories
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  Speaker 6: and the kinds of frameworks around it are interpreted. I
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  Speaker 6: don't like, I think it's too strictly.
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  Speaker 4: Binary to say pure hermaphrodite.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's a it's an energy in flux, and
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  Speaker 6: I think it has three expressions. And you and I
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  Speaker 6: have talked about this nick book or like as I said,
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  Speaker 6: there's the dragon, the kattu, the smoke, there's the prince,
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  Speaker 6: who is the archetype that you could say is at
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  Speaker 6: mercury it itself. And then you could also say that
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  Speaker 6: there's as I've positive, is there a daughter as serious.
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  Speaker 6: So it's all three kinds of expressions. And then that's
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  Speaker 6: what makes up hold. And then so when those archetypes arise,
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  Speaker 6: different people with different ideas of the world will name
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  Speaker 6: them aka hermaphrodite in different ways. But that doesn't mean
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  Speaker 6: that that's a perfect I'm not disagreeing with the medievalists
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  Speaker 6: or the you know, contemporary left hand path people who
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  Speaker 6: believe that, But I personally do not believe that. I
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  Speaker 6: think it depends on how we name things. This is
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  Speaker 6: just me, but you know, this is this is how
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  Speaker 6: I feel.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I mean that would go along with a lot
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  Speaker 5: of you know, I mean you just look at it.
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  Speaker 5: Time it change the vallady and then it changes the
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  Speaker 5: sex with how many I mean, how many languages work
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  Speaker 5: like that?
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  Speaker 6: And that is also that's also very hold, like is
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  Speaker 6: the ability to change sounds in language. Could you could
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  Speaker 6: even say that hode is the expression of gross speech
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  Speaker 6: being spoken, So like we are speaking right now. This
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  Speaker 6: is a very hoad like action. We are carried on
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  Speaker 6: maybe the draconic currents, the eighth wave, the lightning path.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe I don't know, Matt, you can comment on that,
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  Speaker 6: but yeah, that's very much like what we're doing right now.
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  Speaker 6: So a lot of sound. It's not that sound is
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  Speaker 6: necessarily hold like, it's not, but there's an element of
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  Speaker 6: speech that is very hold like, so changing the vowels
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  Speaker 6: that it would be a very very easy way to
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  Speaker 6: get confused. And this is also relates to like the
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  Speaker 6: dragon and the Prince. The Prince writes things down, but
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  Speaker 6: the dragon kind of breaks them, breaks klip as you
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  Speaker 6: could say, and sort of breaks conceptual boundaries. So you
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  Speaker 6: could say that it kind of puts things into flux,
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  Speaker 6: into confusion or delusion as I like to say. But
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  Speaker 6: it's all, it's all rediscernible, and usually simple is better.
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  Speaker 6: This is an idea that I've really come away from
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  Speaker 6: the a on of mott workings with.
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  Speaker 4: The thing where they got too complex.
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  Speaker 6: They were really into this idea of ipsos like hode
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  Speaker 6: as ipsos hod as the many, just like the bene Eloheim. Yes,
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  Speaker 6: the many we are, the many, we are the sons
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  Speaker 6: of God or the daughters of God. It's us so
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  Speaker 6: but people get really confused and can like conflate like
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  Speaker 6: all these supernaturalism with like our own minds and our
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  Speaker 6: own conscious perspectives. And really, if you just I mean,
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  Speaker 6: Joshua has told me this before as well as other people,
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  Speaker 6: just to shut up sometimes so I can hear.
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  Speaker 4: A little more profoundly.
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  Speaker 6: But I think this is actually important, especially because we're
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  Speaker 6: all on social media, probably a little too much sometimes,
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  Speaker 6: but that's a very hoad like thing. And so it's
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  Speaker 6: all the many voices, all the many hosts, but what
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  Speaker 6: is our own perceptions? And so that is a big
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  Speaker 6: part of hode from in my perspective, it is the
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  Speaker 6: dis aggregating of the ideas of others and sort of
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  Speaker 6: coming in like that hoe to Tiffer, a connection, coming
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  Speaker 6: into our own will, our solar will, being able to
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  Speaker 6: look upwards instead of downwards at the yesoda consciousness, not
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  Speaker 6: that I like yesodic consciousness, I'm not saying that, but
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  Speaker 6: Yesoda consciousness is about dreaming.
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  Speaker 4: It's about what it's like. Is this real? Is this
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  Speaker 4: not real? There's always a question.
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  Speaker 6: Tifferatic consciousness is what do I will so yeah, their
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  Speaker 6: hode plays a lot of part in this. So that's
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  Speaker 6: why I brought up even tiffer at the very beginning,
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  Speaker 6: because I think that prince to the king, the dragon,
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  Speaker 6: to the demiurge, it's all there.
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  Speaker 4: It's all like the it's you could see. It's like
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  Speaker 4: people you always.
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  Speaker 6: Say men are from Mars and women are from Venus,
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  Speaker 6: but men start in Mercury. That's the truth. But it
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  Speaker 6: doesn't make you anything. It's just that you're the young
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  Speaker 6: prince when you start.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, if you want to get detailed about
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  Speaker 5: your brain, the formation of your brain, I mean you
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  Speaker 5: go from female to male first, I hate to tell you.
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  Speaker 2: Even your chromosomes.
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  Speaker 4: That's the whole thing. No, you didn't. That's a great point, Nick, No,
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  Speaker 4: but it's true. And that's very hold like too.
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  Speaker 6: To even have the analysis to describe in biological terms
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  Speaker 6: what is happening, and to be able to put that
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  Speaker 6: Paracelsian binary male and female onto something that is a
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: very hold like action. But we that the one one
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: of the worst kliepas of hode, besides the kind of
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: epsos thing where you kind of get lost in the
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: many voices, is this ability to or not it's a
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: not ability.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: Is this.
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: Kleipa or skanda, That's what they would The soundscrit word
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: would be to get.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: Stuck in thinking you know or you think you know.
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: The higher experiences, the higher understandings, the higher sort of wisdoms.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: But when you're at hoed, yes, you can travel the
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: whole tree.
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: It's very dynamic suffra, which is why it's also a
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: good one for magicians. But if you get stuck there,
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: it can be very difficult to break out. So that
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: would be my one caveat for that. I'm sorry, please
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: go matter.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Josh, Yeah, it was very financially that the moment you
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: mentioned like the men and woman think, I was writing
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: down the same thing at the same time for those
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: very funny So well, from where do I start? Jim
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: mentioned the words and colors and swan and again howd
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: is going to be super important when we talk about
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: magic if you think about a lot of things that
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: are associated with it, like thought for example, So if
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: you want to study Tarot, the Book of Thought and
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: so on, so again you're very connected to hot light things,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: all the symbols. One interesting thing as well that if
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: you read on the Bible, the or the Torah. Actually
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: the hero version you'd have, Hay, it's actually a lot
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: of times being set as a malach so a menseager
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: of the the Elohim. Right, so again you can see
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: that he's actually a lot of times just in hod
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: So he's not actually like traveling the higher spheres. He
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: says he he is obviously because he needs to make
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: the religion bigger in fun, but he's not really that
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: that Hag. It's like really down here in Hobb. So yeah,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: and a lot of people worshiping that. There's also the
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: a shoe from the African like the Yodoba religions and
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: swam and there's the issue which are also there. So
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: when we say is shoe, there's two different things. But
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I mean the issue which is connected to hog as well.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: So again you can see it's a very very strong
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: sphere to work with. One thing that I wanted to
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: bring on also is that when you're bringing down the
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: like path, so when you are creating something, then hot
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: would be when you're connecting the dots. So let's say
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: you are creating a business or whatever. Is the time
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: that you go after some new investor, you write down
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: all the contracts, like make sure everything is like like
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: the last thought, everything's connected tightly, because again you are
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: at the base of the severity column right, so you
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: are contracting, so the right column expanding, left column contracting,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: making sure things are organized very hot light thing. Also
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: when you are going the path of the serpent, or
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: when you're studying something for example, then it's going to
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: be the technical bits. So when you know you want
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: to learn how to play football, sure you cannot just
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: like kick the ball around. You need to learn the
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: technical stuff like how do you place yourself in the field? Well,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: what are the technical terms? What are the best you know,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: equipment for you to have, and so and so on.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: So all the technical bits which should come first, then
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the experience, which is kind of more to Metza because
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: otherwise then you just have wrong experiences that teach you
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: the wrong techniques, so you don't get to go higher
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: in a more formated way. Let's say I can make
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: an example. I started learning how to drive just with
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: my mom, so that it was not through like a school.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Let's say, and okay, I learned how to drive. I know,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: you know, that's okay, I know how to drive. But
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: then if I need to get the license, which is hot.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not prepared for hot because now I have all
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: the wrong things that I got from the experience non fucked.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I have to go all over again, forget the experiences,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: start all over again from hot, and then go up
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: the tree again. So again you're just gonna waste your time. Also,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: another very interesting thing is that Hot connects at least
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: from the system that I use or tear it. It connects
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: to your SOD via the judgment card and to I
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: could I via the food car. So like Chim was saying,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: if you you know, don't you own focus, well you're
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: gonna lose yourself and swunt to me, that would be
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: the path of the fool. You're just traveling between hot
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: and mouth good all the time you're going higher. You're
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: just actually getting stuck and not learning stuff, just like
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: you know, circling around, not creating bridges of knowledge. And yeah,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I think for nologe is everything that I had noted here.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, Gin. Did you want me to
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: bring up one of these images.
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, but if Josh wants to go oh yeah,
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: your brand should go for it.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: Thanks, And I really liked what you had to say there, Matt,
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: because here on my my notes.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I did have.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: You're breaking up sir.
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: Angelic messengers as relating to Hood, and I just thought
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: that was really that you mentioned that. But in I
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: think Michael's the one mentioned in can you hear me?
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, you're good?
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah you're good. I mean there's a delay maybe now,
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: but yeah I can hear you.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, you can hear me.
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: So I was just saying that Michael, I think, is
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: the angel that's associated with this, And so it reminds
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: me of the story one of the stories of O'rian
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: that I've heard, how Chemyaza was kind of trapped in
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: the mid heavens, not allowed to return to Heaven, but
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: also not in her on Earth, and in that way
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: kind of reminded me of like that in between, you know,
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: messenger or conduit for divine messages or whatever it might be.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: But of course we have Michael named here.
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: But I think in relation to and I know we're
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: not really discussing that suck, but in this sense too,
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: Michael's the strong angel of the right arm.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: That delivers victory as well.
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: So part of his messages are that of victory or
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: prom so I think this might even relate to prophecy
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: in a way, and I'll get into that maybe a
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: little bit later once we cover a couple of the
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: other ones. But one of the other things that came
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: to mind, however, was how the three Magi of course
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: related to Orion's belt, and maybe how code also reflects majesty.
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: And when I think of that, I think of, well,
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: what is a king without a court?
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Right, So part of hoad might be the.
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: Court's special specialties, like you got an astrologer and a
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: chemist and a doctor, and you know, so on and
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: so forth, and so the king's kind of the net
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: sec maybe the head of that, directing it, achieving victory
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: and glory.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: But you know, anyway, I think I said enough, thanks.
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: Well, thank you so much of Matt and Joshua Slrier.
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: So you is doing the Gray Lodge, go ahead. It's
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: kind of like the we have our structure, I guess.
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: And you're used to saying that, right, I get it. Yeah,
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: I'm used to being like in the interstitialso apologies for
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: the listeners, but no.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Go for it. That's all right. I do like the
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: messenger idea.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: I do say that a lot that I do think
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: I actually think that's where kind of that starts, where
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: the messenger takes off from. I think like Hode in
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: a sense, I also think like like by the time
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: you hit you so or like Hod, I think that's
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: where like the magic really starts to happen. But you know,
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: this whole like Hero's journey, I even think starts at
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: Hoh technically, you know, he kind of goes on his
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: journey from there, going up the tree.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: And that's even like.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: That whole idea is even why I tend to look
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: at nerves. Now I'm starting to wonder about that whole
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: idea about when I started equating physiology and the cultism together.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: I actually do wonder if sometimes these angels of these
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: messengers are actually like a vegas nerves system, because then
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: that's even that goes both ways technically, you know. So yeah,
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: just stuff like that too. I think it might all
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: correlate there in a sense, the messages.
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: Well, I would just add that what you said about
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: the Hero's journey the first step of the journey, right,
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: because Hode and Metzack are the legs, so first step
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: of anything you know would be that, and of course
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: the steps you take in masonry as it pertains to
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: each of the degrees. That's also probably symbolic here. I've
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: never really thought about it before.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: M and I one very interesting thing as well, start
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: to cut you and they just because it just remembered
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: if you live in Europe or if you ever come
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: through it should pay attention. There's a lot of symbolism
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: from Hermes, right, so you see, okay, every now and
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: then some got but hearing is you see everywhere all
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: the time, be it like the the thing he has
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: on the foot, like the wings thing, or the cup
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: of sales or his hat or whatever. You see, Like
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: it's so crazy. I don't get to take a picture
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: every time, but I always notice somewhere he's like hidden,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: you know, and in different countries as well, not just
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the same country. So that's again very interesting because well
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: you see, it's not only the the explicit magic that
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: all this appree, but also the implicit you know, city
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: construction and swam.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Ye.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: Sorry, I just thought that when Matt said and Josh
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: obviously was really profound, and to build off your point
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: neck like, yeah it is it is, here's journey. That's
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: a great way I should have said that. I wish
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: I would, but you know, you're you're totally right. That's
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: the starter. Like I said, it's like the prince. It's
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: like he he kind of knows.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: It becomes the king.
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: Shit, he knows a little shit, but he doesn't know everything,
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: and maybe he doesn't even know how to make it work.
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: He just has these like kind of instructional exactly, he
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: has the instructional ideas, like very much like exactly he
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: went to the library and read a book that's a
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: very hold like it. That's a very hold like thing.
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: Or like Matt was saying, he had some experiences someone
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: taught him, like this little magic trick, this little magic trick,
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: and then he's going to take all those little bits
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: and he's going to try and remix it. That's a
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: very hard like thing as well, the kind of the amalgam.
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: So this is often why the amalgam is mercurial or quicksilver,
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: because it is very much like about like quicksilver isn't amalgam,
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: and it also very much like the blue pillar. You
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: can say that hod also can exist at three different
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: states of matter, because quicksilver has three different states of matter.
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: And if you this is something interesting, I always think
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: about when Joshua was on, like on the show, on
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: our show, and on the show, is that the hanged
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: man Because a lot of people are really into this idea,
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: and I didn't know this because I don't really know Taro, right,
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: Like I've always been honest when we've come to the tree,
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: I've always said like, I don't really I kind of
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: get it now because I've heard them all explain it
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: to me like a million times. But it's not it's
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: not my natural inclination to pair. But there's an idea
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: that the path between like Hode and Geverra. Obviously Matt
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: doesn't use this system, and that's really okay. I'm not
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: countersignaling him. Whatever Mats's goes, but the that path can
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: be considered locked. So if you actually over apply heat
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: to quicksilver, you produce a toxic fumes. It takes up
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: very high a very very high amount of heat, and
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: so but it can happen. So it actually would make
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: sense if you had a way to restrict the fire
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: above from the quicksilver below. And so if you don't
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: mind Nick to bring up the first gift like the
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: one with the dancing girl, I'm gonna borrow something from
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: Matt about pop Cabala, So we're gonna shout out Sashki
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: as well, but we're gonna use some a Sailor moon image,
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: sailor mercury because as I've often said, like the Sailor Scouts,
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: they're not necessarily the planets, even though they have the
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: planetary names. They're much more like the stars behind the
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: planets because they're women, they're kind of it's the implication
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: is they're more empty, so they're more separatic in their nature,
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: but they wield the planetary powers. So if it's not
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: the perfect colors for Hode, but it is in a
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: way because you can say, like Math's shirt, like there
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: is an inner blue core to Hoad, like an ice
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: light core or emerald. Sometimes it's considered emerald. That's a
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: more East Asian or Southeast Asian way to describe it
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: is as an emerald Buddha like the one in Thailand
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: where the light passes through and it's still clear at
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: the end.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: It's not green or anything.
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: But so you can see this, you can see this
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: in the different systems that there's like a conflation and
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: a confusion between the.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Inner green core or a blue core.
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: But in many languages this is not even unique to
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: the like the dharmaic systems or like Ta Taoism or anything.
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: Many languages actually say that blue and green are very
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: closely related, if not the same color.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: So just like.
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: Hesaid, can be described as turquoise, and that's a really
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: great way to describe it, because that's like the color
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: of like loving kindness. Like the gray ocean with the
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: you know, lightning flashing over it. That's very much like
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: those colors, or the great Iceberg. Like people post that
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: iceberg meme. I'm sure everyone's familiar with it. That's a
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: very there's something very hesthetic about it, not the ice itself,
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: but just the color, just like the color of the
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: blue water and how it's really clear. Doesn't affect the light,
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: but you could say different densities, different gradients. The light
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: can't continue moving through the ocean depths becomes too dark
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: too much like lapis laws a lie. But at the
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: turk layer there's an illuminant quality to it. So, sorry, Neck,
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: if you don't mind bringing it up for.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Me, I'll talk about it more.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I did want to mention that, you know,
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: when you're making talismans with mercury a hode, the flash
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: and color would be blue and it is, uh, you know,
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: it's considered that Jupiter is the higher arc of mercury.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Which would be blue on the tree of life too.
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: And it's like a lot of people like sometimes say that,
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: like you know, Chess said, might be like a blueprint
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: of an idea that you have and by the time
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: you get to hold you already got like you know,
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: the name and everything for it.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: So addition, I'll go with that with you, the blue
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: I have.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Something, go for it, man, something relating to the mercury.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've meant to say something on that too.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I'll go after you.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: We'll go ahead.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, go, go, go go. You might say
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: the same thing.
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: This was on an old Twitter account, so I can't
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: find the guy, but there was a guy on Twitter
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: years ago. So he was doing experiments with mercury and
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: he was taking video clips and showing them and what
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: he was doing was he was agitating mercury to create
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: mercury vapor. Of course, this is very dangerous. Don't do
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: this at home, Like Geny was saying, it's toxic. But
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: what he was doing is he was agitating the mercury
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: to create vapor, and then he had three light diodes
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: shining like the three primary colors into the mercury vapor,
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: and it was producing runs. And so the logos, the
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: word the paths the tree or like we said, hoads
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: the whole tree, right, Well, all of the letters were
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: appearing in that vapor, and he didn't understand what was.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Going on, but I was looking at that. I was like, whoa.
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: But anyway, it reminded me of something else too, because
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: that's how Odin gets the logos or the ruins, is
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: he's hanging from the hangman, you know, position over the
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: wind swept tree and gets the ruins. So maybe what
• 34:07
  Speaker 7: he's hanging over top of is not a pool of water,
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: but a pool of mercury. Perhaps, because I'm also reminded
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: of the the discovery of the I think it was
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: the temple into your technotalon like the Mexican city where
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: they found pools of mercury and the basement of the temple,
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: and I thought that was really profound because you know, like,
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: what are they what are they doing? But anyway, thank
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: you so much for letting me talk about that.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, sir.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: The one thing I was going to add real quick
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: about mercury, if you add heat to it, it moves,
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I just I to find that.
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: I think somebody have mentioned about heat to quicksilver and shit,
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: and like, you know, it's probably not anything to do
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: with it, but like if you look at the red
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: sphere after that is the chariot, so I mean, you
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: know that's moving as well.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: He had some fire to mercury. I don't know, but
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: it's just weird.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: I do find that, you know what you somebody mentioned
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: the thing with Mark You're interesting jin Now I'll pull up.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Your h picture.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Appreciate it.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Boss.
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: So this is sailor Mercury. So I know everybody's laughing
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: and we're gonna be like, why would you show Well,
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: the if you watch Sailor Moon, you'll understand. That's a
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: perfect way to understand Kabala. If you if you listen
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: to this show and listen to like a couple of
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: Gray Lodge spaces and then you watch the whole like
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: a first season of Sailor Moon, you'll you'll have a
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: strong actually you'll be pretty good. So so people are
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: going to wonder why she's because usually people say, oh, mercury,
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: that's associated with air, and yes, yes, yes, associated with air.
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: But as we said, there are three states of mercury.
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: So if you watch Sailor Moon, you will know this
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: character is named Amy. She is sailor mercury obviously, and
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: she's very analogical, very hoad like. She's very good at math,
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: she's very good at all her studies. She's extremely studious,
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: she's very punctual. She does everything on Xcel spreadsheets. This
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: is very hoad like. And so her actual one of
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: her first attacks is called mercury bubbles. So people often
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: associate this with water in the fandom, but if you
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: understand what a bubble is, it's just like it's a
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: you know, it's like a film over top of air,
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: so it includes the mercurial elements. There's obviously mercury can
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: be a liquid, so mercury can also be considered a
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: c It's just a shallow see just as like mercury
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: is somewhat of a it's not a shallow suffra. It's
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: very complex and complicated, like almost like a neuron bundle,
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: just like mercury governs nerves in astroerbalism. It's a very
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: good analogy in fact, so bundles of nerves are very complex.
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: In fact, modern medicine doesn't even quite know, as we
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: were talking about a little pre recording, how they even work,
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: like not not really, it's too complex, it's too much
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: of a complex system. So but there is shallow elements
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: to it. There are shallow elements like people will know, oh,
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: nerves cause pain. That's a very horde like understanding, because
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: they do a lot more than that as well, but
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: it's kind of hidden. So that's why she's a good
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: kind of representation for the inner meaning because she has
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: to grow through friendship. If you, if you again, if
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: you watch a show something that is very difficult for
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: holdlike people because they either tend to be like extremely
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: self driven or they tend to be more followers, so
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: you tend to get like the two very radically dualistic
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: expressions of the same archetype, same archetype, but two different
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: expressions of it. Again, that is speaking to the hermaphroditic nature,
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: but it doesn't have to take expression as a hermaphrodite.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: It can take expression in other archetypes.
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: That is what is also complicated about how okay I'm sorry.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: I think if you want to do the rest, I'll
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: do the rest. Unless I'm one of the other brothers.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: Anything to say, of course, jump.
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: In would that would a jack of all trades be
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: a model like characterization?
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: Yes, that's a perfect That is the planetary archetype for Bode.
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: And I didn't pull up any pictures of the planet
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: Terry gods for Joe Tisha for Javitic astrology. But if well,
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: when we get to the Monkey King, I'll talk about that.
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: But anyways, the yes, that is the that's the thing.
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: It's the prince, the poet, and the merchant. That would
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: be a perfect Vetic explanation if you just hear me
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: say those three words, the prince, the poet, and the merchant.
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: That is the perfect explanation of Bude from a Vedic perspective.
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: So but as I've shown in this image that Nick
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: pulled up doctor Strange. So people ask why doctor Strange.
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: He's a magician. Well, what is more amalgam than a magician?
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: So he can he is the one who kind of
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: unifies in my opinion, this sephra, and it's also where
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: he first expresses.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: Obviously, Hode is the eighth Sephra.
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: Can also consider Bena as the eighth Sephra, depends on
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: how you count them upwards are downwards. But so you know,
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: there's an obviously magician kind of element where he's infinite.
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: He uses the words that's also very poetic. He draws
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: from that place that Joshua was talking about, that smoky place,
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: and whether it's he wears.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: Oh he does wear, Okay, well then there you go.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: So that's very major.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, that's so funny.
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: They always teach me these Norse things that I that
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: I'm not always so up to up on or into
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: it at first. But yeah, doctor Strange is might more
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: of my archetype, so I'll go with that one. But
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: you can see like in his colors he has the fire,
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: the gebratic fire, the tifferatic gold. He's wearing like a
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: ruby it is like called a ruby in the Indian
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: marble cannon, and like a star ruby obviously, and then
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: right and then he has the green background, so it's
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: very hodelike. And then he has kind of the flux
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: which also can appear papaya. This is often a way
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: Jewish kabalists describe Hode is the color of a papaya
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: or the color of coral. So this is obviously what
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: the same kind of language we use in tantra as
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: well to describe more of the secret layers as kind
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: of pinkish emanation with the blue core which he also has.
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: And you can even see his belt looks very serpent like,
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: because of course the dragon is right there. He's right
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: there to confuse us, to conflate different things together, to
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: make everything seem like it's all quote unquote one thing.
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: It's all like it's inseparable. That's kind of what the
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: dragon is trying to tell us, But that's actually not
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: the real meaning. The real meaning is, actually you can
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: name all the things in creation, but don't get stuck
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: on their primary names, be able to be flexible but
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: not swayed, have good discernment. So that would be like
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: the opening of that gebratic pathway. But also you would
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: have to exercise love and kindness. Has said, because hesset is,
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: as Nick said, the fuller expression of hode, that is
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: the considered like the spark of Hode is the heart
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: of hesse. This is like a really important kind of
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: aonic thing that we've talked about often.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: Anyways, we can go a.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: There's a good question in the chat.
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: Maybe you could help answer jin This guy says, do
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: they just teach kabbala in Japan like it's math or history?
• 41:36
  Speaker 7: How do all these anime creators know and display it
• 41:39
  Speaker 7: so well?
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: That might be a good question.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: This is a Matt Murra question.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say they don't need to learn it
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: like in school. But if you get to know an
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: anime because it's famous, it just means they use kabbala
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: well if they even if they don't understand it, that's
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: the thing, like something doesn't get famous if it doesn't,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: that's Sue goes. So if they study or not, then
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I'll guess we would need some we wu to to know.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Like if they all the mangakas go in some synagogue
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: or whatever of their type of kabala, they're there, But
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I would think it's just yeah, it just gets understand
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: it of their own their own systems.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: That's a good answer.
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: A lot of them do study taro. You'll see them
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: talk about this a lot. A lot of them is
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: study Kenneth Grant. A lot of them study like what
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: ian is shatani. We spoke about this on our last
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: Lodge Space. He's a he is the creator of shin
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: Magumi Tensi. He's huge into Lovecraft, He's huge into Kenneth Grant,
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: like he reads magical texts translated into Japanese.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: And I think this is true for a lot of
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: them to be perfectly.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: A couple that I can remember from the top of
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: my head that explicitly mentioned Kabala are full Metalwalchemists. They
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: have They have it on Evangelion, they have it on
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Jojo Czar Adventures, they have it on I think there's
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: another one I'm missing. But those are like very explicit.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: They literally just get the seph rop and literally just
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: put it there with the names. And so I was like, okay,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: or like the territ names. It's very exclusive, and some
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: of those are not that explicit, but they're talking about
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: the same thing, right, like dragon Ball one piece and
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: now to all the famous ones, super famous ones and
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: the lesser famous ones as well.
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: Well, I'm so glad that you brought up dragon Ball
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: z or z as, I would say, Matt, because who
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: do we have here?
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: The Monkey King?
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: Some will come so obviously this relates to my Twitter handle,
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: but in people will think it's like Hanuman. Sometimes I've
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: heard people say that in my opinion, this is just
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: my opinion, and people can disagree. But I do not
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: find him that similar to Hanuman. Of course, there's probably
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: a commonality from the bagvad Gita from that character, but
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: he actually had his own call tists for like two
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: thousand years in China, so he is an independent character,
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: we could say, but sorry, Josh, Well.
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: Then there's the moon is what makes them transform and
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: dragon ball, So even maybe that would shed a little
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: light on there, a little moonlight maybe.
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: Of course, because why time is expressed in the nine,
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: which is also in your mind. I won't go so wild,
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: I won't do a great lodge space on Nick show.
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: But it is true in a way that because the
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: yode represents the conceptual cycles of time, right, that we
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: can understand through our hold like perception, our hood like intelligence.
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: You could say, so, then the cycle of the moon
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: is the hidden cycle, right at least in our current
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: aon or kalpa. The lunar calendar is lesser utilized by
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: the general population more we use a solar cycle more readily,
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: not in every country, but for a lot of people. Yes,
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: so yeah, I think that the and the moon is
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: always especially in East Asian like Taoism and Buddhism, both
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: the moon represents secret knowledge, that secret access to daf,
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: that secret pathway from you. So the Crystal Millennium kingdom
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: to use the sailor moon example. And so the monkey
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: king is very much like that. He is tamed by
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: the goddess of mercy. So he is tamed by Tara
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: or guan Yin. So if you could say that's like
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: has said, taming the god of mercury, why do I
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: say the god of mercury. In Chinese planetary astrology, which
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: is now dead, they do not play to pray. Excuse me,
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: pray to planets very frequently, very it's very rare. They
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: much prefer the stars or Jupiter. Sometimes they'll you'll see
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: pray people. Chinese people will pray to the three Jupiter stars.
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: They'll call them fulo show. So, but in general most
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: planetary gods are don't people don't know. But the old
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: planetary Chinese god was actually described as a monkey or
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: even a fox goddess. Now this is something really interesting
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: again back to that dualistic element. The daytime god of
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: the planet Mercury is described as a monkey king or
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: a monkey prince. The nighttime expression of mercury.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: Is this fox goddess.
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: So you could also say that this is how it's
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: kind of like the toad thing. It's the toe Anubis
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: like connection, that kind of yasod hode connection like that.
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: People get conflated between the offices of those deities. And
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: then there's obviously like the hidden daughter the Babylon that
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: arises also on your sde but only with the secret
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: words you have to call her. That's kind of the idea.
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: So you could say that in a way, it's the
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: transmutation of the magician the magus between the two states
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: of like the learner as Matt said, and the performer.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: So that's very much what the monkey king is.
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: He's subjugated by hesed, subjugated by Bodhi Chicha's subjugated by
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: loving kindness. To perform the task to go along with
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: what Nick said about the chariot, he has to take
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: a journey what is his story called Siog the Journey
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: to the West. He has to travel to the far
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: western part of Afghanistan, retrieve a magical sutra and bring
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: it back to China.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: It's the whole basis for his story.
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: And so you could say that that is sort of
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: a function of Bood as well of mercury or hod
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: is that it can serve as a kind of a
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: launching pad or a chariot. Because if Netsoc is also
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: very much the Palace, the eternity, the Mercaba, as Matt
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: would say, right, like what is the heck a lot? Well,
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: you could also say that that is very much expressed
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: in Hode. So it's like the start of the journey,
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: like Nick said, like the start of the hero's journey.
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: So he has to do something with the knowledge he's
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: not perfect. That's why he has to be maintained by
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: has said. He also has to be contained by the
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: higher force. So if you watch Journey to the West,
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: any of them or Dragon Ball Z, which is also
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: Journey to the West, basically there's always a priest or
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: a kind of higher character who is kind of a
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: heather like character, someone who's he's higher than maybe human,
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: like he's not really human, like he's kind of elevated
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: above it. He also keeps the Monkey King on his path.
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying it's like God, but you could also
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: say that that is a hold like property, like the
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: idea that God like your faith, not necessarily even faith
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: in God, but your belief in God will also help
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: you navigate the path. So I think this idea is
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: also expressed like mythically in different ways, like you must
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: have some kind of framework to be able to travel
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: to different suffara rather than just be like a In
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: some ways, the negative quality of this hero is the fool,
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: not because the fool is not a useful archetype, but
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: because the fool doesn't always map what he's doing, so
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: to replicate it becomes very difficult, and sometimes even he.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: Can get lost in his own bullshit.
• 49:12
  Speaker 7: Sorry, Joshua, I was just gonna suggest a scene from
• 49:16
  Speaker 7: a movie I think that sums it up really well.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Is it Indiana Jones? What is it the Is it.
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: Raiders of the Lost Arc where he gets the chalice
• 49:26
  Speaker 7: or the cup. But there's that scene where he has
• 49:29
  Speaker 7: to have faith right and take that step very hode
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: like right. So he takes that step out onto the
• 49:39
  Speaker 7: invisible space to step on the beam. But of course,
• 49:42
  Speaker 7: because he's the skeptic he is, he throws a little
• 49:46
  Speaker 7: bit of dirt out on there first to see the beam.
• 49:50
  Speaker 7: You know, but then he you should still have to
• 49:53
  Speaker 7: take that step, And so I think that goes into
• 49:55
  Speaker 7: the leap of faith quote unquote archetype. Maybe that's the
• 50:00
  Speaker 7: thing that you're required to kind of like walk the past.
• 50:02
  Speaker 7: He kind of have to have a little.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: Bit of faith, and that's maybe what is the fool has.
• 50:06
  Speaker 7: Even though he maybe doesn't have much, he has this
• 50:10
  Speaker 7: faith and kind of reminds me of that adage that
• 50:13
  Speaker 7: the gods favored what is.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: It fools and drunks or something like that.
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: Well, it's interesting you say this because that's a great
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: point by PC Tweaks. The Monkey King's rebellious nature mirrors
• 50:27
  Speaker 6: the human ego nepheshur burah that must be disciplined to
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: achieve spirtual enlightenment. Yes, but do you see the thing
• 50:35
  Speaker 6: is about the Monkey King is that he's able to
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: break conventions because his allegiance is only to the higher power.
• 50:41
  Speaker 6: That's why I like him. He's never intentionally malicious. He
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: might be ill tempered and cause a lot of mayhem
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: right ho ick in Heaven, that's one of the names
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: of one of his stories, but he's actually allied to
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: the higher powers because sometimes you need someone who's a
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: little more wild to will break the preconceptions of what
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: came before. So I just think he's an interesting archetype
• 51:06
  Speaker 6: in that way. He kind of he kind of he's childlike.
• 51:09
  Speaker 6: Someone's saying this in the in the chat Underdog Taro. Yeah,
• 51:12
  Speaker 6: childlike wondering nativity. But he's also not because he's also
• 51:16
  Speaker 6: he kind of knows who he is, and he's kind
• 51:18
  Speaker 6: of aware of his own flaws. And you know, even
• 51:20
  Speaker 6: the narrative of evolution like man is from eight Well,
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: maybe the whole point of the Monkey King is he's
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: growing into a man.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: It's not the whole.
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: Sort of like it is about his higher apotheosis back
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: into a Buddha or back into a god.
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: You could say, just an interesting idea. Sorry Nick, if you.
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: Want to do want the next timage, Oh, no problem,
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: here we go, all right.
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: So there you go. And of the daughter, there's really
• 51:54
  Speaker 6: nothing too more to explain. This is also uh, this
• 51:57
  Speaker 6: is a secret goddess, the daughter of the goddess outside
• 52:00
  Speaker 6: the cube, you could say, is how I've described it before.
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: And she one of the ways she takes expression is
• 52:05
  Speaker 6: as the daughter. She's the daughter of Viga, meaning knowledge,
• 52:09
  Speaker 6: the daughter of true wisdom, wisdom in its perfect form,
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: so childlike with like, it's the exploration of strength and
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: play together. So that's again going back to that Gavatic
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: element that sometimes Hode is missing. And maybe this is
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: one of the interesting things if you have it expressed
• 52:26
  Speaker 6: in a different sex or gender. Maybe if it expresses
• 52:29
  Speaker 6: as a little girl who's again she's pre generative, so
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: it's nothing to do with sex or anything like that.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: It's that she is.
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: She doesn't have fixed ideas of the world, so when
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: she brings the true knowledge or the true wisdom in
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: it's more up to the man's discernment is gebratic fire
• 52:50
  Speaker 6: to discern what to do with them, So it's much
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: more about our free will. So this would be a
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: more centric kind of layer. But you can even see
• 52:57
  Speaker 6: her colors are very hodlike. She has like the green,
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: she has the red, she has the gold, she has
• 53:04
  Speaker 6: the sun and the moon on her hair, and then
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: she has the eclipse in the middle. It's also very
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: interesting she holds a rosary, so we were talking about
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: like when Joshua was talking about like the elements of faith,
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: she's holding the tntras in her other hand. What kind
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: of entres you may ask all the tntras, and she
• 53:23
  Speaker 6: has one her hand upwards in the gesture of obstacle removing,
• 53:28
  Speaker 6: and her hand downwards in the gesture of boon giving
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: any boon. So you can see this is a very
• 53:36
  Speaker 6: important sufferer for like taking expression into the world. That
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: her function is not to give boons. Her function is
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: actually to illuminate the signs of splendor through play, through ideas,
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: through conceptual thinking, through language. But she's not fixed. So
• 53:54
  Speaker 6: if you go to the last one, sorry Nick, and
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: you'll see why I'm saying this once we do. So
• 53:59
  Speaker 6: this is Goti. Everybody will know Ghana Pati. He is
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: the outer deity, the outer deity who clears ketu. Now
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: you can see from his colors he also has a
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: boot like association. You can see the orange, you can
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: see the green, you can see the pink, you can
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: see the gold, you can see the red. It's all
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: contained there. But he is also a god of obstacles,
• 54:21
  Speaker 6: so he doesn't give full expression to the tree. It's
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: not his tree. He's just like maybe a guardian, a
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: gaate guardian. You can even say that stands in the
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: way of knowledge, or he can grant access to it
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: as well, but he's very dualistic.
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: He's also the king of aggregates. He's also the king
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: of hosts.
• 54:39
  Speaker 6: So you like, there's a story in Tantra about how
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: God abandons the world and he goes to the Mahasmashana
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: at the very end of time.
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: If you want to call it death, you can call
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: it death.
• 54:50
  Speaker 6: And so his son arises on the Mahasmashana that is earth,
• 54:54
  Speaker 6: or is our reality at least, and he is the
• 54:57
  Speaker 6: one who is kind of like in charge of the hope. Yes,
• 55:01
  Speaker 6: So that's also why he rides an elephant, because even
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: though he's a prince, he has a kinglike responsibility. So
• 55:09
  Speaker 6: that's a you know, I think that's interesting that in
• 55:11
  Speaker 6: that he clears the dragon. The smoky tale of the dragon,
• 55:14
  Speaker 6: so Katu. So if you want the planetary association with Ganapati,
• 55:17
  Speaker 6: it's always Katu. Which is interesting because the daughter actually
• 55:21
  Speaker 6: tames Rahu, so she tames the physical body of the dragon,
• 55:25
  Speaker 6: and the lesser prince, you could say, tames the smoky tale.
• 55:29
  Speaker 6: But he doesn't tame the smoky tale the whole way
• 55:32
  Speaker 6: in a tontric idea. He only tames it for us
• 55:34
  Speaker 6: when we're on malcouth our yosode and he writes that's
• 55:40
  Speaker 6: his other thing too. He's a writing deity, a deity
• 55:43
  Speaker 6: of writing.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: He goes with old.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Nice, very cool dis production. Yeah, I'll say maybe one
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: last thing is thefinitely want to move on to yes, Yes,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Just an interesting thing to notice if we are talking
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: about the shadow three, right, the three that doesn't exist,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: but the kliffas and one. If you get into a colde,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: one of the first things that they get you to
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: go deeper into the colde and not go out is
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: by saying, now you don't get to know things esthetic
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: things outside from what we give you. So again that's
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: the hard they are fixing you there, and like now
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: just you should just read those books and just read
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: those news and just like just stop to those people
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: and so and so on and congrests. Now you're fixed
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: in their own trees. And then you can take that
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: as some kind of meditation to yourself and see where
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: are you not only lying to yourself? And like you
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: know when you should be doing some stuff and you're
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: not doing because you're lying to yourself or to those
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: near you. Or also where have you been told or
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: where do you believe that you shouldn't learn something because
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: either it's like too difficult or whatever, there's some kind
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: of taboo, and then you're just like some programming it's there,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: don't even know from where, but I never should study
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: these are always too hard for me, and so on
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: and again, who said it? Lasting a lot of times,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: especially when we were talking about Cabbala, people ask like, hey,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: what's a good book about Cabala? And one that's very
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: good steady books. But also, don't get fixeding that again,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: at its just the beginning of the journey. You've got experience.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: That's how you got to do it for a long time,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: for structure, to get to share with the others and
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: so on, and so the trees like big go go
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: deeper than just books. Don't don't get fixated on them. Yes,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: that's what's it.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you very much.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: I think like it's like one thing I did want
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: to kind of just say real quick, I guess about Hode.
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: I guess it kind of goes back a little bit
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: to the maphrodite, you know. I think, like again going
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: back against the biology of physiology or creation. I think
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: that even starts to show like the male and female DNA,
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: you know, like both sex is actually like actually coming
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: into physical form. And I think when you go up
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: the tree, you're actually untangling that.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: That's just my opinion.
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: Just throw that in there and then uh yeah, we'll
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: move on to uh move on to your shoud Another
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: one of my favorite ones.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Another one that I will tie to the eyeball.
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: Magical image, beautiful naked man, very strong, which is interesting
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: because most people always assign it with a female goddess, but.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Like a coughinakansu.
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: Another person Crawley thought he was I think was it
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: goes with the moon god name should is al Kai,
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: the archangel, Gabrielle order of Angels, the Cherubim, the strong,
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: the mundane, chakra planet, the Moon, spiritual experience. And I
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: think this, even this says a lot from where I'm
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: gonna go with it. This phrase is actually kind of
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: what made me start thinking of vision of the machinery
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: of the universe virtuous independence device is idleness, which is
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: interesting because I think avarice might be the vice for Saturn,
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: so that you even see like almost a kind of
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: the same thing. Symbols, perfumes and sandals, Taro, the four Nines, colors.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: In the go.
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: Some people say for absolute bria, violet, yesida, very dark purple,
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: a siren, asaiah, citrine, flecked azor, microcosm, reproductive orcans. Uh
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: but uh yeah, that's kind of like it's the attributions
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: for that fear. I don't know, gin if you want
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: to go or if somebody else wants to go, and
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: then I'll land afterwards.
• 59:58
  Speaker 6: Sure, I mean, I'll start us off. I'll do a
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 6: quick one. I am just looking for an image, but
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 6: I guess so it's really important. I always say like
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 6: it's where the vibes live, but I think people sometimes
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 6: misinterpret that because they think I'm saying it's where the
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 6: feelings are as Matt would rightfully correct me and say, no,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 6: jin that they come from NETSC And I agree. But yes,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 6: so it is such an interesting place because, as I've
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 6: often discussed it and we've all discussed it, is a
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 6: place of rectification. It is a kind of place to
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 6: bring your consciousness sort of like back to the primordial rhythm.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: I know this sounds very new age, but I promise
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 6: I usually give it a very much more dharmic or
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 6: much more like serious kind of magical layer.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: But it is a place to go. Especially in Buddhism.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 6: That's house thought of is that the moon disk is
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: like the first, It's like the primary and the tertiary practice.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: It's like the first and the third. The it's very
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: very important. And as Sashiki would says, where the crystal
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: millennium kingdom arises in your mind. Now, obviously this doesn't
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: just come from him, because Buddhism has the exact same idea.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 6: Contra has the exact same idea. The mind power arises
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 6: that you sewed. The mind palace is made of crystal,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 6: which doesn't necessarily mean real crystal. I'm not a Mormon,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 6: just for the record, But the mind palace is somewhere
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 6: you construct in your own mind, and it's a place
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 6: that you go and you it's not really to receive
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 6: messages or to receive the hidden truth or anything like that.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 6: It's sort of like the clarity of Christine consciousness, meaning
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 6: rig put what we would call it in Buddhism, clear, stainless, pristine,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 6: diamond thunder. It's a place that you can do that.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 6: But as you were saying, Nick, it is also a
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 6: place of that dark purple. So dark purple is a
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: very much a synthetic color. It's a color brought together
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 6: by red and blue. At the higher density. Now, when
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: I'm saying higher density, I'm not talking about higher on
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 6: the tree, I'm actually talking about lower on the tree.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 6: I'm talking about it's a much denser color, so light
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 6: cannot pass through very easily. But one of the higher
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 6: expressions of you sewed are those kinds of like pink.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 6: There's a certain flag which we won't necessarily say, but
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 6: it does kind of have those colors.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: Okay, so that's probably not an accident in a way.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 6: I'm just saying like it's because whether it's intentional or
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 6: comes from people's perception or consciousness, it's referring to something kabalistic.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 6: So I see Matt nodding a sad So I'm glad
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 6: I'm not so out in the wilderness with that. But
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 6: for sure there's a higher expression of yoursode and there's
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 6: a lower expression. There's that kind of Kenneth Grant Lilith,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 6: like you're going down into the Kleipas. But my idea,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 6: especially for like if we're talking on ex cycles or
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 6: and of the Daughter, we're already in the Kleipa.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: So we don't.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 6: We don't need to like go down into them. We're
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 6: already down in them. So what we need to do
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 6: is actually break them. So if you watch Sailor Moon,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 6: you'll see that the creator Sailor Moon had this almost
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 6: the exact same idea that I have and that I
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 6: think most of us have, is that it is that
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 6: it is kind of a place of rectification. It's a
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 6: place of imbrance, a place of memory. What distinguishes memory
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 6: from a dream? What distinguishes truth? I believe that's something
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 6: Nick said, What distinguishes truth from a lie? Well, most truth,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 6: most truth is relative. Only primordial truth is true. But yeah,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 6: there's a lot of other kinds of truth, and there's
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 6: a lot of other kinds of lies. There's a lot
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 6: of what Sailor Moon is about. Because obviously Serena is
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 6: the queen of the Crystal Millennium Kingdom, and yes, she
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 6: does have a very strong husband with her, of course Nick,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 6: So yeah, you could say that it's a very strong image.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 6: But her daughter, very interestingly, Serena the Sailor Moon, has
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 6: a daughter. Her name is she b Yusa, and you'll
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 6: see it when Nick brings up the gift. But basically
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 6: she is more the expression of you, So she's more
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 6: the Babylon.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: She completely comes right from Liber forty nine.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 6: Like many of the elements many of the Gnostic Gospels,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 6: it's replicated right in the story.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: This demon arises on the moon with her, tells.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 6: Her your mom doesn't love you, your dad doesn't love you,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 6: No one loves you. And then he whisks her into
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 6: a totally different, we'll say, an alternate timeline where she
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 6: forgets her name, very Sophia, right, she forgets who she is,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 6: and she becomes evil.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: She becomes a bad girl, a baddie.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 6: But eventually she's rescued by kind of like this prince
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 6: and he's a pegasust but he's really a boy. And
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 6: so just like the princess has to kiss the frog keck,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 6: she has to also kiss the pegasus and then he
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 6: turns into her prince and he's naked. If you actually
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 6: watch the show, he's like a naked boy with a
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 6: very light blue hair, and she has bright pink hair.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 6: So again you have these elements of like things are
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 6: not what they appear as, things are not what they seem.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: That can be very youstic, that can be very much me.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: I'm Matt's laughing because he knows I'm like this. I
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 6: get very into my own preconceptions, very cerebral, very much
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 6: like create narratives for myself that aren't necessarily true. It's
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 6: just it's just my fears, it's just my even my
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 6: worst nightmares, you could say, but.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: I make it real because I what.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 6: I get stuck in them, just like people get stuck
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 6: in the kleipas. That's why I say you will encounter
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 6: the klipas anyway. You will encounter the klipas in your
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 6: daily life. You don't have to sit down and be yes.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 6: Of course, like for a magician, you're going to be
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 6: curious about the sort of articulation of the loftime path
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 6: and how they understand the klipas. And I'm not against
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 6: that material or against studying it, but what I'm saying
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: is for most people, they're already going to be in
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 6: a very coopathic world.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: So it's better for you to learn the separatic.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 6: Ideas as that will help you break the klipas a
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 6: little better. Now does that mean it's perfect, No, it's
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 6: not perfect. Even for me, I'm pretty good at cabala,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 6: I still get stuck in kleepers.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: All the time. So it is just the path of.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 6: The stage, if you want to call it that. It's
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 6: just like you're constantly learning, you're constantly disaggregating, you're constantly rectifying,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 6: and you're constantly trying to synthesize, and sometimes it doesn't
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: know is work. But what you do have to do
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 6: is you do have to look upwards to the solar
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 6: will again to bring the up. And this isn't coming
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 6: from me, this is from Evela, but I think it's
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 6: a really strong and interesting point for someone who like me,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 6: gets very stucky. You sought it consciousness because that's where
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 6: I feel more and more comfortable. So you do have
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 6: to look up and you have to say what do
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 6: I want? What do I will? And where am I going?
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 6: Because the one thing about you, Sewed is it's real
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 6: and not real, so you can easily get lost, but
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 6: it's really also the pristine place. It's the direct connection
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 6: to Dath and not into the kleep us. That's just
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 6: one way to think of it. But you don't have
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 6: to think of it like that. You could think of
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 6: it entirely separatic. Many of the sages said that there's
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 6: a path between Yasoda and that. So this is not
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 6: it's not even me or it's not crazy or anything.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 6: But I agree that there is, but we have to
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 6: recognize it and remember it's there even if we can't
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 6: see it.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: Very well said.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: Matter of brands, Did you guys want to say anything
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: on it, because I'll probably go.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: Into like a science or the eyeball first and then
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: into other stuff.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I can speak a little bit, I have
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: to filter. So again there's always favoite stuff. Chin what
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: I wanted to bring also on yes, Well, first of all,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: it's the fundamentals, right, so it literally holds the tree
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: like put is the root, but then it fundaments all
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: the other things. And when you take that into consideration,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: for example, when you're talking about our religion, right, and
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: usually they placed the higher character on tifferth just how
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: it goes the center character. Everyone's like likes the solar
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: character and so and so on, but the moon is
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: the one actually holding the stuff so that people don't
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: go out of the relation. You know, it's the fundamentals.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: It is what you have faith in and so on.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: And if you want to bring that to yourself again,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: when you're doing bounded tree, it's when you have to
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: feel that you are worthy of what you're trying to achieve.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter. You have all the plan, you
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: have everything there, everything's done, you have the money, you
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: don't feel that you are worth of it. The product
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: is not going to go forward. You're not going to
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: achieve the thing they are trying to achieve. So I'll
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: tell you one of that step frauds that people have
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: the most trouble at when trying to achieve things because
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: they even maybe have like rationalized the thing and everything
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: likes perfect in paper, but when it comes to it again,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: they don't feel like they are the thing, so there's
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: no fundamentals backing it right. They don't see themselves being
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: i don't know, rich, healthy, whatever they want to achieve.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of this feeling the void kind of thing.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: Another very interesting thing as a an idea as well
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: as that you have people there more like general saying
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: towards emotions or reason, and I'll agree that yourself can
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: be very emotional as well. So it's kind of like
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: the cross. You have the sun and the moon, so
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: the sun being more like different, being more reason in
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: the moon, yes, being more emotional, and then you also
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: have heart and its being more rational reasoning and let's
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: not being again more feeling insults. You kind of have
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: that cross and yeah, as you see, it kind of
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: starts on not necessarily the same kind of emotion, Okay,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: I would say, hob and it's it's more like the
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: brain like left brain, right brain, like symbolic, playful brain,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: and like logical brain and different and yes, or a
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: kind of like the synthesis of both. Right, So it
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: kind of you started the emotion if you're going up
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: the tree, you started the emotional yes, then you're reasoning
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: it out a bit on hot. Then you again you
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: play with the right brain more and more symbolic, more emotional,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: and so one, and then you come down to reasoning again.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: Like you have to make things. You have to synthesize both.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: It cannot be too much like I don't care about
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: emotions this once one because that doesn't work as well.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: You're always going to feel feel them and they're going
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: to affect how you'll do your stuff and the opposite.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: You cannot be just super emotional because otherwise you're just
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: going to do things out of emotion, nothink them through
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: when they may be not the best. And one less
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: funny thing to notice is that if you place the
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: on your hands, you'd have the left ring finger as
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: yes sort and the right ring finger as different. So
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: when you're when you have a wedding, you're placing on
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: either of them right, So either're closing your moon your
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: yes sort or you're closing your different when you're making
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: that up. So that's very interesting to notice as well,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: because it could be any ring any finger right in theory,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: but those are the ringboks. So yeah, I think this
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: is it for now.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: From my said, I was gonna say, uh right, did
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: you want to say anything? You will let me go,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: It's totally up to you.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I did have a couple of notes, okay, go go.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't sure if you wanted to go next.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: I wanted to wait to see if I had something
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: to say.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: Should ask you?
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 7: Since he was mentioned in the marriage, it might be
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 7: a good time to kind of talk about that because
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 7: with yesod in Malcouth we move into the lowest of
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 7: the five worlds, and that's where we have more condensation occurring,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 7: like the concentration of matter or energy into matter. So
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 7: there's this transformation that's kind of occurring in a sense too,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 7: and I think that might be why, you know, maybe
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 7: some of these moon qualities feel like saturn. It's because
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 7: we normally associate you know, matter in the prison of
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 7: these bodies and stuff to like saturny and elements. And
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 7: so maybe it's because of the Moon being at that
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 7: more basic Pentacles type area that it feels that way perhaps.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 7: And so the the next point I would bring up
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 7: regarding the moon is how it relates to when you
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 7: pay your rent is by the moon.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: You get your wages.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 7: Every fortnight, which is every half moon, and of course
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 7: you get a pay raise or increase. So you know,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 7: the moon governs things like increase and decrease with the tides.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 7: When you plant your crops actually by the moon. That's
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 7: very important. The moon can also govern things like fermentation.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 7: Like if you're trying to can things or pickle things,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 7: you never want to do it in certain signs like
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 7: Pisces or Virgo. You want to do it when the
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 7: moon's in like Aries or something like that. So haircuts,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 7: you know, if you get your haircut in a certain
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 7: phase the moon, it'll grow faster or slower depending on
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 7: if it's waxing or waning. Even something like digging post holes.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 7: If you dig up the posts and it's waxing, you'll
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 7: have more dirt than you dug up, and if you,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 7: you know, do it in a waning phase, you won't
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 7: have enough dirt to fill the whole back up. So
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 7: the Moon governs a lot of those things like increase,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 7: and I think it's more on like micro pools, whereas
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 7: saturns more on the seasonal cycles a little longer. It's
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 7: kind at the end of the harvest, you know, so
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 7: to speak, whereas the moon is every month leading up
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 7: to the harvest.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: So maybe that's why they kind of fill the same.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 7: But you mentioned avarice being like the clipothic side of this,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 7: and I thought that was funny because of the coin
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 7: clipping that would take place. And if you think about it,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 7: clipping a coin is kind of similar to clipping your
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 7: paycheck or your time you know, soon it's like taking
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 7: slivers of your moon away from you if they're clipping
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 7: a coin, So there could be some relationship there. Thirty
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 7: pieces of silver were used to pay judas for betraying Christ,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 7: by the way, so I just kind of associated there's
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 7: thirty pieces of silver with the phases of the moon
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 7: as well, and of course he was a hanged man,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 7: so there might be some hidden meaning there in that story.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: I'm finished.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: Thank you, It was great, Thank you. I had a
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: bunch of shit going through my head while you were
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: saying all that stuff. Yeah, one thing I thought was
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: like interesting even about this sphere just now because of
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 5: those stuff that Jim was saying, or maybe he was mad,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: I forgot either even like condensation and water and all that.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: You know, if you if you take like kind of
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 5: like hold because you kind of call it like it's
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 5: very when it's quicksilver or mercury, very fluid, like you
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: bring that down and then you take like you know color,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: I guess shape or the vision and you know, different
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 5: colors to that. I would even say aiding colors can
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: even separate things from each other and help create more
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: form visually, you take that whole thing together, you take
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: the mix of sexes, and you're gonna have the womb,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, which would go along with
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: you so dropping down more so, just like even because
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: of the thing that you mentioned, like you know, or
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 5: even Branch just mentioned condensation. I mean you got liquid
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: is surrounding the baby into like something form you know,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: fully informed is there? Uh you know it does go
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 5: with the moon again, you know, pregnancy and all that shit.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, the womb is such an important part.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 6: I'm really glad you brought it up, neck, because that
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 6: is like, that's the essence of your sad. It is
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 6: very much like the intuitive the dream, like the ocean
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 6: of blood. I know that a baby isn't surrounded by
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 6: an ocean of blood, but it's amniotic fluid, so there
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 6: is blood in it.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: There is trace minerals. It is like the It's like
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: the ooze, if you want to call that. I'm not
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: I'm not anti natal or anything. I've obviously pro birth
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: and pro babies like whatever.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 6: But it is kind of like the ooze of creation
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 6: in a way, and it is kind of like the supernal.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 6: The primordial ocean is the primordial ocean where the baby
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 6: first develops. That's why a lot of people when they
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 6: do homebirths, they will do it in like.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: A bathtub or a swimming pool, because.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 6: That is even though that's more ascetic a swimming pool
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 6: or a bathtub, there is an element of that where
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 6: it's very much it's linking the nature of the four
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 6: and the five.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: You know, so the four.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 6: Right, sorry, I just need to say the five was
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 6: be represented by the bright lights because light, like especially
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 6: like hospital lights, produce a lot of heat. So you
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 6: could say that, yes, it is a place for the
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 6: four and the five to be rectified, the fire in
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 6: the water. And so you can see this in Mary
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 6: Magdalen iconography where she especially Catholic iconography, where she holds
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 6: the crystal vial. So Branch said a condensation, and Nick
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 6: you repeated and said how important that was? Yeah, because
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 6: her her tears, her purified maiden tears are in the
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 6: crystal vial. That's the secret, like roll you want the
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 6: Rosicrusian's secrets of Mary Magdalene. That's that's pretty profound if
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 6: you really think about it, because it's referring to the
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 6: exact thing that we're talking about right now.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: It's interesting.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: And then you know that fluid that you mentioned, This
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 5: is like really interesting, really weird way you look at
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: it again, you even have like a child that's a
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 5: simple fit tifferate. If you look at the planetary or
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 5: whatever the schedule for it, it kind of looks like
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 5: an eyeball. The fluid from the back of your eyeball
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 5: that has blood in it does follow it all the
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 5: way down to the baby. So I mean, is that
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 5: a weird connection with the child in tifferent? Who knows,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 5: but I just do find that interesting. The part of
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: the back part of your eyeball that does contain the
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 5: blood fill will follow that baby, follow the way down
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 5: the female to the baby, and the vegas nerve would
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: probably be all connected to that as well well.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 7: In scripture, God refers to his people as the apple
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 7: of his eye, So maybe there's something to that, because
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 7: the placenta does look like a tree, you know.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but then to uh for me to get into ah,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: I guess like the whole caballistic way I look at it,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: the eyeball. When you start going with the vision of
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 5: the machinery, you know, let me pull it up so
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 5: I don't screw up the exact phrase, the vision of.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: The machinery of the universe. Uh.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 5: You know, if you look into I guess like kind
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 5: of even the unfortune and uh, Gareth Knight's book, did
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 5: you make it almost seem like very machinely if you
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 5: look at the kabbala. Try you even see how the
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 5: light comes down and then I mean basically I mean
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 5: every sphirit's reflecting off of it, but I mean it's
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 5: reflecting off of that one and then going down to
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: malcouth very much like the moon where you say it's
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 5: associated with moon, how light reflects onto it, light hits it,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: and then it reflects back to us. Now, start to
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: think of the machinery. The part inside your eyeball that
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 5: actually does everything for pretty much to create the change
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 5: is in your zanioles of z in. It's attached to
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: the side of a lens which is receiving light and
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 5: going back up into your eye and going from your
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: eye back to here and going out same fucking thing
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 5: as you soad. There are these like twig light things
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: called the zanioles of zin very close to oz. I'm
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: gonna put my libre's o's out just to be like
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: Crowley because he has ohs so zangnios of in, and
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: it's gonna, you know, actually explain this whole thing way
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: in depth. They almost look like lavender lavender twigs that
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: attached to your lens that will actually make it start moving,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: which will then change the size of your pupil or
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: make your hyloid canal ben. That is the whole thing
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: that starts fucking with the way light inside your eyes
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: starts getting moved around in the reflections. And if you
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 5: look at hod, I mean you're sewed and just cobalistically
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: and other things attached to it, and looking at how
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 5: that thing inside your eyeball, it's very close to exactly
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: what you're seeing, even on the cobalistic tree. So it's
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: my opinion that I do think you sew it might
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: actually be like the signios of zin in your lens.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: A long story, you know, short, but that's how I
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 5: had's how I did to look at itself.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 7: I was thinking of I was thinking of how that
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 7: might relate to sun gazing there when you said that, Nick,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 7: because maybe you're kind of taking advantage of something there
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 7: where you're widening on the people, but in a way
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 7: where it's army because you're playing with those whatever those are.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and even like if you the eyes work more
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: like the dials, because if you're just trilling around and
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: doing all the stuff, like they're extremely important to how
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: you were experiencing life, you can you can even say,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: depending on well you have this right in body body
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: language studies, you have like how your eye where it's
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: looking like it's looking down up or left or whatever,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: like it's kind of like a dial again for how
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: you're doing, or even a lot of the meditations that
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: you do will suggest you to have your eyes like
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: looking here or whatever, like at the third eye place
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: or something like that. So they most definitely are important.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: Then how I agree with youunic that they're kind of
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: somehow related to yes, also because the eyes don't really
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: see reality, right, they see this reflection of reality, like
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: again like that they're we're seeing the light reflected and
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: not the actual things you close your eyballs, it doesn't
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: even exist. Yeah, exactly, like you can you can look
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: that's the thing. You can look at reality without your eyes,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: like you can imagine the things. You can superimpose things,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: and then you're so seeing but not with your eyes.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: And that's to me, that's the real real reality, not
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: what you're seeing. What you're seeing is the illusions here
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: like well the camera is showing the illusion on matrix thing.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: It's like, which is what they can see with their eyes?
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: Thank you, branch dild you want to add anything before
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: I twist the gin's images.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 7: Up just that you know, remember that moonlight is actually
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 7: cold and not warm, because you know, although it's reflecting sunlight,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 7: it actually has a colder temperature than the surrounding darkness.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 7: And I've had friends test this with the temperature gun,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 7: and so just remember that the moonbeam part of that
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 7: energetic nature of it is. That's part of how that
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 7: condensation is occurring.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: I think is.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 7: Because if you've ever kind of laid out and watched
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 7: the stars and when the moon comes out sometimes uh,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 7: you know, that moonbeams pretty intense, you might suddenly get
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 7: a lot of clouds, you know, because it's causing that
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 7: condensation to occur. And I think I've kind of thought,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 7: I think of the Sun and the moon both in
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 7: terms of like God's right and left hands, you know,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 7: like it's with the Sun and the Moon that we
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 7: kind of have the tides, the water cycle, wind kind
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 7: of even gets generated with the Sun going over the
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 7: Earth and moving the air, and you know, so it
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 7: shapes the.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: Earth in ways too. So I think part of this.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 7: Machinery aspect is kind of like how the natural systems.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: Work to work elves stuff.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 7: You know that people sometimes talk about it's a peek
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 7: into the you know, under the curtain Waws is operating,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 7: you know, something like that maybe, But it also reminds
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 7: me of the vazra because the vasra is symbolic of
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 7: where these two opposing forces meet, and so you get
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 7: that channeling and of energy from the opposite poles.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 7: So where this machinery's present, you know, maybe is where
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 7: the friction, so to speak, occurs between the lowest realm
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 7: and the highest realm. And it's like the differential box
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 7: for a vehicle where the you know, the the mechanical
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 7: advantage is like transferred, but in a spiritual kind of way,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 7: you know.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 5: Even interesting like I've even like seen like certain I'm
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 5: probably off, but I think it might even be the
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 5: boy Scouts. Were you even talking about friction? When you
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: look at the way the z aniles is in works,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 5: they look like pieces.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: Of wood.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: All like that to work.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 5: All you're getting is technically like you look like you
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 5: got somebody rubbing twigs together.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: And I was like, you know, and then you always
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: hear weird shit about the.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 5: Boy Scouts of the Club Scouts, and I was like, yeah,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: I don't know, I'm probably still having a weird idea
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: about their logo.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 7: But well, it's important to know about the friction method
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 7: is that you have to use two different species of wood.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 7: You use one species that's harder.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: Than the other.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah that would yeah, yeah, it's interesting that you knew that.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: So you have to have that differential aspect.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah all right, Jack, got your images up here, sir?
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, also go ahead, Yeah, no, sorry, just just.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: Rifting a little thing real quick in that. Again, that,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: like I mentioned, yes, is a lot of how you
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: get stuck on i'll say religions, but also in groups
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: and something because it's going to be again the emotions
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: emotional site, right, So it's when let's say you're this
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: works a lot in the most in Brazil we called
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: them evangelical. I don't know, maybe it's the protest Protestant
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: in the US or whatever equivalent, but it's basically you
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: go to the church and then, like you know, people
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: there are not paying attentions whatever the guy's preaching something.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: People are just like not necessarily paying attention. But then
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: what they do is they start with like some music,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: then they start changing how they speak and so on,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: like kind of like neural programming language you know, and
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: they start with the music, and now you're kind of
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: this translight thing and you're getting emotion, and he starts
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: sucking on again the fundamental fundamentals of things, what would
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: make you be there and so on, and you kind
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: of start, you know, entering this whole thing just from yes,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: like the moon. It's the most like the extremely easy
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: way to also manipulate, right, to like control larger groups
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: of people, because through reason, it's not really that simple, right,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: You need a lot of work to make a person
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: understand what you're saying With emotion, it's easy. You have
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: some music, like music is super strong for that. You
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: have some music, some images, some food maybe something, and
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: then yeah, the person is tide locked to to what
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: you're trying to do there. So it's very interesting to
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: pay attention to that so that again you don't fall
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: into the traps, you don't fall into the illusions, which
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: would be the shadow of yes son, right, the cliff
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: of yesad or the illusions that you may fall into
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: special emotion ones. So that would be very very aware.
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  Speaker 6: I know, I'm really bad at this, Matt's I don't
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 6: think he's saying about me, but maybe a little bit.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: But anyways, I'm sorry about that, So thank you guys.
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  Speaker 6: I think that was all like so good honestly, because
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 6: yisode is so important, Like it is exactly.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: What Matt's saying and Josh is saying.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 6: It's like it is the place of illusion, but like
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 6: sometimes those illusions can become like dreams and sparks of ideas, right,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 6: Like there's an inherent connection between hod and your side.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 6: We've talked about this so many times, and just like
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 6: there is in nutsock. And so that was a great
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 6: thing that you brought up.
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  Speaker 4: Josh. I'm I'm so used to calling you Joshua. But
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: the branch I apologize, but a vadra.
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  Speaker 6: So if you look at my last image, we don't
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 6: have to go there yet. I'll talk about that. She
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 6: be used it for a quick second, even though I
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 6: already pretty much said. So if you see the moon
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 6: is darkened and it's turned upside down, so in Tantra
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 6: we would say that that's a symbolic sign of the eclipse.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 6: That's how the eclipse is always denotated in tontric imagery,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 6: is in a crescent just like that, so and that
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 6: it's darkened would actually sort of strengthen the idea of
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 6: that use as a symbol. But you can see even
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 6: her colors, they're dense, like she's wearing like that dark
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 6: maw of red. This is a very tontric color for you, Sode.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 6: It's a very like deep dark color. And you can
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 6: see the black and the pink because pink is really crystal,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 6: like the crystal Millennium Kingdom. But it's kind of an
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 6: expression that our mind places on it, so very much
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 6: exactly like what Matt said, it's very illusory, but there's
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 6: also something elemental about pink where it can give con
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 6: her to the truth. So this is more of a
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 6: Buddhist idea, but it's also very cabalistic, I think, and
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 6: I think it actually makes a lot of sense. So
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 6: and if you go, if you go the next one, Nick,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 6: you'll see kind of why again. It will go to
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 6: that sort of liberating light from sound. So this is
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 6: obviously sailor Moon. This is the mother, the queen, and
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 6: she is from the end of her scepter. You could
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 6: say she's liberating, she's the interchange. She's the interchange between
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 6: the sound of the lower worlds, like Matt was talking about,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 6: like music, music, the vibes, what come of the sort
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 6: of the drum beat through your feet, the rhythm of
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 6: the world that's very asotic. And then it's taking expression
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 6: into sound or higher music which is more tifperatic or light,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 6: which is obviously that code connection. So you could see
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 6: like in this image she's transmuting like her magic sound
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 6: because she has to say the magic words before the
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 6: spell takes into account and the little musical motif plays,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 6: and then obviously the most important thing is the hurts.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 6: So obviously if you listen to my show, or listen
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 6: to me on this show, or listen to the Gray Lodge,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 6: you've heard me say that love is the cause of knowledge.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 6: It's a very important cabolistic idea that I'm very particularly
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 6: fond of and say pretty much every most of the time,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 6: I'd say, and so everyone he has here has herby.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: Saying multiple times.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 6: But it is interesting because it also refers to that
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 6: dath yasode connection, and so I just.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: Think, like wow, like anime as a hermeneutic.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 6: Like Matt really was like, yeah, you actually can talk
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 6: about it like this gin and people won't think it's
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 6: so nuts. And I was like, oh, okay, So it's
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 6: not just me, like you know, putting my framework on it.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: No, it's actually there.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 6: So I think it's kind of interesting that it is there,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 6: and I think it's interesting that it does it at
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 6: like a more profound it's not just clipothic, it's not
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 6: just pop cabala even. It's like there's actually something deeper.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 6: So I really like that. And then if you go
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 6: the last one, Nick, you'll we can probably end your
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 6: sod unless anyone else has anything to say. So this
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  Speaker 6: is the Buddhist deity. You can see he's even sitting
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 6: on what's called the moon disk. So it goes along
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 6: with that image that Nick said about the naked man.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: Usually he's depicted as naked.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 6: Yes, he's wearing his like vestments, his like sarrong as
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 6: I call it, but.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: Really he's nude. He's in concert yoga.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 6: Meaning he's intimately connected with his consort, and you can
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 6: see Joshua that he's holding in his hand right behind
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 6: the back of his consort, the vadra the dorgy.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 4: But in his specific.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 6: Practices you will this is the preliminary practice. So this
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 6: is like the first practice that most Buddhists do. Anyone
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 6: who's a contract wills have started with this practice and
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 6: will understand it to a degree. He's holding the bell,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 6: so the dorgy represents the male force, the potency, like
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 6: the word, the primordial word, you could say, and the
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 6: bell represents the female principle or the sound or the
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 6: can also be light because light is considered to be
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 6: Sound and light are very interchangeable, and you could.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: Say that.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 6: When you have total darkness, the word is self emerging
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 6: and the light is also self emerging too. So that's
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 6: why he holds the bell, because it's both the georgy
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 6: and the bell together. He's with his concert, so it's
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 6: in synthesis. So if people are watching this and wondering
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 6: why I'm not I don't necessarily embrace the hermaphroditic framework,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 6: it's because Buddhism resolves this, and they always say, like
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 6: the concert resolves all paradox. It doesn't mean that they
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 6: can't be expressed in hermaphroditic terms, but they never are.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: For us, they never are. I'm not saying this is.
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  Speaker 6: True forever and this is like for everyone or everyone
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 6: else to believe it. I don't think that, but for us,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 6: that's how we always express it. It's always the two together,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 6: and we've talked about this on this series, how the
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 6: sephra always have both expressions and so is a perfect
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 6: reconciliation of opposites to have them be in concert yoga together.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 6: And you can even see, just like the sailor moon image,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 6: he has the pink roses, the seven roses, or they're
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 6: not roses, they're utpala flowers, but they're expanding into space.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 4: He's sitting on the moon disc. He's sitting on the moon.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 6: Behind him, the dark dark blue, the lapis lazulid, that
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 6: is the night sky. The green, although this is more
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 6: considered to be a bood or mercurial color in TNTRA,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 6: you can say that it still totally makes sense that
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 6: it is kind of like his higher speech because the
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 6: word is fundamentally empty. And he's also crystal white like yes,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 6: he appears as white, but it's not really white like
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 6: exactly what.
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  Speaker 4: Matt said, it's the reflection.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 6: From the moon disk. He's really more like a crystal.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 6: He's really more like quartz or ice. And in fact,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 6: in a secret sodna of his, what they used to
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 6: do is they would cut blocks of ice and then
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 6: make a statue from that block of ice. So when
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 6: you perform the sodna, the statue would slowly melt, and
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 6: that's really cold, so it might take many days. But
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 6: then once the statue completely melts is when the end
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 6: of your practices. That for that statue or whatever prayer
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 6: you're doing, or whatever pooja you're doing, So it would
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 6: be it would represent the impermanence of it. Just like
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 6: Matt was saying about like not getting stuck there, it's
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 6: like the perfect practice for people like me who get
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 6: very stuck in their feelings, sometimes those lower feelings. So anyways,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 6: I just wanted to say that. So there's always a remediation.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 6: Like Matt often talks about this. It always talks about this.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 6: There's always remediations. You're never completely stuck, you're never totally lost,
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 6: there's always redemption, there's always upwards. Just look upwards, don't
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 6: look down. I think that's that's a good couplistic trick,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 6: is that people often look downwards and think, this is
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 6: where I should be, this is where I'm at, I'm happy,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 6: I feel comfortable here. But really it's about being flexible
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 6: and being able to travel to the other suffers because
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 6: you have other things to learn as well.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much, sir. I appreciate that.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 5: All right, you guys, Does anybody want to add anything
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 5: before we move over to Malchus.
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  Speaker 7: I would just add that the moon actually transits the
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 7: entire zodiacal band the ecliptic. So if you consider that
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 7: the temple was made in the image of man, and
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 7: the zodiac is also in the image of man and
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 7: is the temple, then you.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: Could also say that yasode travels.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 7: The entire tree throughout the month for a period of
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 7: you know, a couple of days or whatever.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: As it transits the sign.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 7: So when we are referring to the moon in such
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 7: and such, if you think about it in terms of
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 7: the body, that means like, okay, so the moon's at
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 7: this place in the temple or the place in the
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 7: human body.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: So I just want to last thought, I wanted to mention.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 5: Thank you, all right, So I guess if it's okay
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 5: with you guys, I'll move over tom out cool, all right.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: And the correspondence is this one the magical image a
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: young woman crowned and throned God name Adam and I
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 5: aretz arch angel sandalfin the order of Angels. The souls
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 5: of fire, the ashen the mundane chakra is supposed to
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 5: be I guess earth right or they also call it
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 5: a cholem. Yes, I don't know if I said that right.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 5: Spiritual experience its vision of the Holy Guardian Angel, virtue, discrimination,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 5: h yeah, vices, avarice and inertia, symbols author of the
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 5: double cube, equal armed cross and magic circle and triangle
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 5: of art tow would be the four tens, and the
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 5: colors for the world's at salute would be yellow, Bria, citrine, olive, russet,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 5: a black, which, if I remember correctly, that is the
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 5: colors on the Golden Dawn.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: Pentacle.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 5: Then you have Fayezua, you have the same flecked with gold,
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 5: and aside you have black raid with yellow and the
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 5: micro cosm on the body on the way I have
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 5: for this one and not the other ones.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: The feet in the anis so uh yeah.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: And that is all the associations with Malcouth. I don't
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 5: know if anybody else wants to take that on first,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 5: doesn't have to be gin Well.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 7: I would just say that yes, so has a strong
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 7: association with Malcouth and that it's like the foundation of
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 7: the earth from a.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: Biblical perspective was the taking of the rudiments.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 7: So when I think of Malcouth, I'm thinking of all
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 7: the ingredients. Then you know, you take out of that
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 7: something and create with it, so that when we talk
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 7: about a foundation, it's like, well, you're taking something to
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 7: create something, but you started with this rudimentary material first,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 7: likes for instance, rough stones, very rudimentary, but then they're
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 7: shaped and over time become like the stones for the temple,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 7: for instance. But when we reference like the beginning of
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 7: the world and the tear forming of the earth, one
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 7: of the first things to appear was a mound or
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 7: the first altar, So the moon and the sun were
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 7: kind of considered two witnesses as well to something like
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 7: this that had taken place.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: And whenever we look.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 7: At Malcouth, we see that it's kind of divided up
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 7: with that X at the bottom, and it's those colors
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 7: that I think you mentioned just a moment ago seemed
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 7: to be present in Malcouth. So it almost seems to
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 7: suggest to me that it's kind of like the Crucible,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 7: where all of these elements are kind of mixed together.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 7: I mean, even when you find elements in nature a
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 7: lot of times they require refining to get to this
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 7: pure state, right. So I think that that too is
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 7: kind of like yes, so because it's the labor or
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 7: the work that's being done on the rudiments to form
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 7: the pure thing.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 7: So I think that when we look at Malcouth, we're
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 7: kind of seen. Like you said, one of the titles
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 7: was at an eye how to wrets, which I think
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 7: means lord of the earth. And so when I hear that,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 7: I imagine like the emperor card and whose job is
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 7: to divide up the land, dole out resources, be the
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 7: administrator of those resources, et cetera, which is the net
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 7: sack to hold kind of relationship kind of distilled down
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 7: into a unified vessel, you know, whereas upwards it's it's
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 7: it's been divided into other categories. But in this sense
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 7: we find it concentrated and distilled, I guess. And this
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 7: is also it's difficult for the divine to kind of
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 7: live right in this lower nature world because of its
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 7: nature being spiritual. It's you know, it now has to
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 7: eat to survive and so on and so forth. So
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 7: I think it's also we get these, you know, the
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 7: aspect of glory and victory and these things that in
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 7: the Majesty that kind of come from the upper Suffero
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 7: kind of find them decorating. Like that's why we have
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 7: courtrooms designed after like the court in Heaven. We have
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 7: kings courts designed like after the Court and Heaven. And
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 7: so I think we're trying to reflect these things in
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 7: a mundane way as above so below kind of aspect
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 7: where here it's obviously not the real thing but an
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 7: imitation person.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: Maybe that's kind of where also.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 7: This maya or illusion aspect that was present with Yasod
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 7: kind of further distills down so that it maybe even
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 7: gets to the point where, you know, things change in
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 7: terms of traditions.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: Just because it gets so lost, you know, so.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 7: The understanding or the higher BENI you know, qualities are
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 7: kind of lost over time too, you know, but because
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 7: we change things so much. But the one last comment
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 7: I wanted to make was you guys were talking about
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 7: sound and light with that image, and that reminded me
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 7: of something that Crowley said, I think where he says
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 7: everybody is a star, right or something like that, And
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 7: you know.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: There's this belief or a theory that how stars.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 7: Maybe originated was when the word was spoken. You know,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 7: it created these interactions between light and sound where they
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 7: became stars.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: And so if you trapped like an air.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 7: Bubble and you you know, amplify it with a certain frequency,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 7: the cimatics within that bubble began to occur and go
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 7: through different stages. Then it morphs into different shapes and
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 7: so on and so forth, until finally it collapses into
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 7: a star and it's in amidst like so it's like
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 7: the equivalent of a sonic boom.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: But with light.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 7: So I think that this but what he's saying there
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 7: about becoming a star is kind of like that achieving
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 7: that union that may even be seem unnatural, but I
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 7: think that's part of what makes the divine divine, is
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 7: that they're.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: Doing something that seems impossible.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 7: And maybe that's why it's so tenuous and ephemerals, because
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 7: it's not really meant to last, and so we get
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 7: glimpses of it. Anyway, thank you for letting me weave
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 7: on that.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: That was great to super nice.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: Have some stuff if I can, So the first one
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: would be, yeah, we finally reached the part of gold
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: at the end of the ring bow quite literally, so
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: like the Joshua thing if Yesod would be the illusions,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: So the shadow of Yessorda would be the illusions, the
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: shadow of Maud would be the actual matrix, the actual
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: prison you're in. And that's very interesting because everyone wants
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: to be YadA yad for whatever their name, right, I
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: cannot tell that the den years.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: Everyone wants to build their own kingdom that they have
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: control over, right, So that doesn't go differently with Kabbala
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: as well. Everyone's gonna say, oh, Kabala is actually that
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: thing that the other thing that I created or that
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: I know that only I know, or my you know,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: the famous weebles kings like only my people or whatever
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: have it. No, bro, it's what made the simulation. That's
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter who said, oh I created it, it's
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: from before the simulation. For the simulation, whatever you're going
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: to call reality to exists, you need Cabala. That's it.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: No type like, no one can say, oh I created it,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: because if you're here, you are already in a system
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: that used Kabbala to create it. That's it. You cannot
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: create a thing like you're like a software cannot create itself.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: You're already in the software anyways, So it would be
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: also where things become concrete. Right, So if you're again
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: going down the liking path, you have thought everything, you did,
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: different things on, so so the thing became real. Okay,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: you reached malcut again, the pot of gold at the
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: end of the ring. If we are talking about astrology,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: it would be the angle through which you are observing things, right,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: it's the you from where you are observing all the
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: houses and so on, your own body. Even you can say,
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: aside from going even down the body like we were
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: talking about like yesa being the genitalia or so on,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: you can say the whole body would be one of
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: the first kingdoms you have, and then you can start
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: expanding that. We talk about that in the Spaces, a
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: lot of expanding your kingdom to let's say your home.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: Then you know your family, your neighborhood, and goes like
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: to your city and so on and so on, like
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: gets bigger and bigger until it gets to the whole simulator,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: the whole Malchut, which is very interesting. So if you
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: think about it, yeah, we are on Earth right as
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: we have the maps and Earth and so on. But
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: some could say that there are other simulators that you
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: can travel to, which would be the other's fheres. Some
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: call them planets and say they're super you know, far
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: away and swan, but we can efpeculatives say that they're
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: not actually that far away, and people from other tears
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: come here with more advanced stuff and do do someplace
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: play around here. Also in Mahud, we have the four elements.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: So again to anything, for anything to be created, you
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: need the four elements quick technique. For example, if you
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: want to create anything, you need to be able to
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: imagine it with as many senses as you can reason
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: it out, have the correct or the necessary feelings for it,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: and then you're going to have the emotion, the emotion
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: putting it into action. Right, So have again you have
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: the four elements. You have fire, air, water, and earth.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: If you don't have those four thing cannot be created.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: Uh And yeah, I think for now that's everything I
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: knowed here. But very very interesting. And again it's funny
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: because every week you see someone different saying that they
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: own Kabala somehow. You know, we had on Twitter these
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: past days the the fucking what what is it? Noumogram
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: or whatever, like yeah, okay, now you have it it's okay.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah we have hearing the chat someone saying, yeah, it's
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: from actually from those guys. Yeah cool, okay, what.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 5: Like whoever I like the best made it or whoever
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 5: I hate the most made it? You know, it depends
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 5: on how exact we was Kings.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 6: It's you we they we was kings in both directions
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 6: exactly said. They say, oh they was Kings, that's one way,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 6: and then or they say we was Kings, meaning that
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 6: you are your maybe like one thirtieth genetic ancestor, like no, Naga,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 6: You're not like you are not that person. You're someone
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 6: totally different. So like grow up and like you know,
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 6: learn caabala.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 4: I don't. I don't really get it, do you even?
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 4: Like what's what's the point in that?
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 6: Like yeah, everybody's like Mats talked about it a little bit,
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 6: and like I've I've never talked about it. But you know,
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 6: some people have the ancestors that have done like big things.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 6: That doesn't matter. That doesn't doesn't make you big, it
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 6: make you cool. You got to go forth and like
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 6: you know, that's the that's the differentiation. You want to
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 6: talk about a whole like differentiation. A prince has to
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 6: go and be on his own, like his own man
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 6: away from like the achievements of his direct family. So
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 6: if you're talking about like someone that's like fifty generations
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 6: away and like, oh, we built this country, like okay,
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 6: well what did you build?
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 4: Like I'm not. I don't know. Maybe I'm just too
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 4: magic pill that I'm like.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 6: No, like what they themselves built and what they like
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 6: to talk about.
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  Speaker 5: That's all right on your ancestors, gay, they ain't got
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 5: shit to say about yourself and you want to feel good,
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 5: just put it that way.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that was great? Great?
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: Right there?
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: I like it.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: And also like if you don't like for simple, A
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: lot of people again yessod right, they don't feel right
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: about the thing, or even I say even yes, maybe
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: it's just bullshit bushit understanding They think, oh, you know,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: because Kabala is Jewish and whatever, so therefore it's better
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: or something, or then they start saying, no, it's not Jewish.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: If you don't like the Jewish names, just study Kabbala.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: Kabala is colors, colors and circus, like that's the lines
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: and colors. Just say that that you don't need names,
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: you don't need you know, crazy Hebrews. Whatever. If you
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: don't like that kind of narrative, it's fine, just steady others.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: You know, you don't even have to call it kabala,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: just just fucking do it. Focus on that, don't be
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: hyper fixated on that.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 3: That's a good point, Matt. Yeah, it's very useful.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know the Jews made it. It must be satantic,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 6: The I just want to address that because this is
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 6: something we job coup a joke about in our group
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 6: all the time. It's not how much we well, it
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 6: wasn't just mad and I, but it was mad and
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 6: I got it particularly bad, like for like a year
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 6: and a half.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 4: And it doesn't matter.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 6: It's like it's a joke now, it's a total joke
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 6: because like who cares, and so many wignots are Jewish anyway,
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 6: so it doesn't even matter. But it's like the other
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 6: reality is it doesn't make you Jewish to just study
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 6: cabala like the reality like Matt's saying, it's like it
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 6: is just it's simply a wisdom science. That is the
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 6: it's the I'm gonna use Math's exact words. It's the
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 6: backbone behind reality. It's the way the Maya illuminates into
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 6: the world the you know, the sparks of splendor, they
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 6: take form into the world. So, however, you understand that
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 6: there's multiple different ways, Like there are four people that
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 6: we regularly panel with, like three plus me plus three, right,
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 6: and so we all have slightly different angles perspectible relationships.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 6: And then but that's normal, that's totally normal, that's and
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 6: that's fine. That doesn't even have to be cause for disagreement.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 6: You can just say, like when Matt challenges me, or
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 6: when Joshua challenges me, or when Solar challenges me on something,
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 6: I just respond in the way that I think. But
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 6: then I think about it later. And sometimes I'll come
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 6: back and we'll do a space like two weeks later,
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 6: and I'll say, actually, I will change my mind. I'll
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 6: rescind what I said, and I agree with what you said.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 6: Sometimes that happens, sometimes it doesn't, but we usually we
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 6: can come together and I kind of like discourse and
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 6: in agreement because usually the perspectives are much more closely
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 6: aligned than far apart.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: You're knowing it with that, I totally agree with that.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: It's just that way. You just use a different langage
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: sometimes to say it. That's it.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 7: I'd also like to add that I like what you
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 7: said backbone, because it's with a little bit of effort
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 7: you can relate to chakra system also, which is a
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 7: little bit simpler. So if cabalas too, my surety're just
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 7: with the chokra stuff because it all relates.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, He's got a little graphic there.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 7: So you're just getting that set up then instead of
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 7: the ten. I did have another point. I wanted to
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 7: mention that at some point. Okay, so now that we
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 7: kind of talked a little bit about the other suffero,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 7: looking at them from the higher world perspective ten thousand
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 7: foot perspective, looking down them, we see that the basically
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 7: the firmament and some of the celestial bodies are kind
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 7: of contained within that.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 7: So it's again kind of when things are beginning to
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 7: condense from the outer energetic realm into the more material realm.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 7: It's like the closer and closer they get to Earth,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 7: the more physically manifest they become. And so when we
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 7: look at some of the paths between some of the
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 7: sufferer and the bottom, we see that we got the.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 3: Sun and the moon and the star. And I think that.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 7: When we read in the Bible, God refers to the
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 7: earth or malcouth as his footstool. It's kind of an
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 7: reference there to how the feet of align with malcouth.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 7: And then also one of the earliest prophecies in the
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 7: text of Genesis is about the seed of the woman
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 7: and the seed of the serpent, how there's enmity between
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 7: them and her heel will crush the head of the serpent.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 7: Serpent's head, but it'll bruise or heel. Well, i'd imagine
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 7: that is the right leg of Netsac, which is victory
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 7: crushing the head of the serpent. But here we see
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 7: it related to the logos because it's also being given
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 7: as a prophecy at the tree no less.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: So take from that what you will.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 7: But i'd imagine you'll also go to Revelation twelve, So
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 7: not only in Genesis, but also in Revelation Revelation chapter
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 7: twelve about the woman clothed in the sun, which Virgo
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 7: with the moon at her feet, crowned twelve stars, that's
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 7: Leo plus Mercury, Mars Venus, and then prevailing in birth
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 7: because Jupiter's within her woman for nine months. Right, So
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 7: we kind of dovetail that to the genesis prophecy, and
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 7: so I think part of the supreme you.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 3: Know, picture the long.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 7: Thing here is speaking the ending at the beginning is
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 7: kind of a quality of the divine that only the
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 7: divine can do, you know, because a human can say,
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 7: we declare our plans and they get foiled. But God
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 7: can declare his plan, whatever God is, and achieve it right. So,
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 7: and that might be due to the assistance gained through
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 7: the mechanics, the robotics of the world, whatever we want
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 7: to call it. But still yet there is this quality
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 7: of something being like an the of sorts has kind
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 7: of like been predicted in the stars, and so I
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 7: guess that's like the huge hero's journey thing that we're
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 7: kind of.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: All hard of in a way as like that light
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 3: dark kind of battle.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 7: And so with that out and just saying like the
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 7: checkered board of course comes to mind with the you know,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 7: you got your your light and dark, your sun and moon,
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 7: and anyway, I don't want to mander too much. Thanks
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 7: for letting me.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: Jive on that.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 6: Thank you, So I appreciate that was great, Joshua, Honestly, legit,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 6: you know, that's the thing is Malkouth is exactly what
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 6: Matt said, Like you can even see in this image
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 6: just as Mount Merrow. So this is like the primordial
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 6: kind of cosmological conception of the Tontric universe from Tibetan
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 6: Buddhism in particular. But if you look at a Bramo loka,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 6: I didn't bring any but if you look at the
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 6: Brahma loca pictures from Tontric Hinduism, they look exactly the same.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 6: I mean, like slightly different artistic aesthetic styles, but even
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 6: the colors like can vary depending on the tntra that
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 6: you're talking about in terms of the four quadrants of
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 6: the world. So just like the four elements, and sometimes
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 6: they're conceived of differently, usually fires the primordial element, and
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 6: then water and then air. And I know that will
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 6: surprise people. But the reality is like we exist on
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 6: the material grounds already, So you don't in a tontric idea,
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 6: you don't actually need to invoke earth per se, because
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 6: it's already there, like you're already standing on it.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 4: You're already it's also part of you.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 6: Like we're in material creation, like we are the earth
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 6: kind of thing like that in not a you know,
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 6: age of Aquarius, like seventies hippie dipshit way, but maybeah,
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 6: maybe that's true too. And then then you also have
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 6: the mind. So the mind also comes from us, but
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 6: it's the mind in perception. So you have the five
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 6: elements combining, and you have the mind palace that arises.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 6: Then you have the multiple layers of the mind palace,
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 6: and then you get to the top and what Heather
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 6: ejection totally from the cube or as I've come to
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 6: agree with Matt saying. I've always agreed with Matt. I'm
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 6: not saying that. I just took me a little while
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 6: to modify my own framework, my own preconceptions to sort
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 6: of agree that, yes, like once you accomplish a sephara,
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 6: like it only unlocks another tree, it only unlocks another
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 6: as Tracy tom I would say, a hyperspace kingdom. So
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 6: that is kind of the model of the framework I've
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 6: come to believe in myself.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 6: Buddhism totally agrees with that. It's not like it's in
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 6: differentiation as well. And one other thing that's really interesting
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 6: is something that the brand Shoshua brought up is that
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 6: you can see the sun and the moon the Sun
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 6: is on the right hand side if you're facing the image,
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 6: and the Moon is on the left hand side. In
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 6: tontric ideas, they actually circumambulate around the Earth. Rather than
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 6: having a helio or lunar centric universal model, it's really
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 6: a geocentric or human centric, as I like to call
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 6: it model.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 4: So I think that that's actually.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 6: Whether it's true or not, it doesn't really matter that much,
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 6: but I think it's a more empowering it's a better framework.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 6: It just makes sense, like why are we putting planets
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 6: and I know the Sun is a star and I
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 6: know the Moon comes from the Earth, so maybe those
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 6: aren't planets.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 4: And in Tantra they agree those aren't actually planets.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 6: I know that we'll like freak a lot of people out,
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 6: but they're actually taken away from the traditional seven because
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 6: they add in the two shadow planets Rahu and Ketu.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 6: So there are actually seven planets nine if you add
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 6: back in the Sun and the Moon. But usually it's
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 6: the two shadow planets that sort of stand in place
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 6: for them, you could say, in contra cosmology, whereas they're
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 6: more part of us.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 4: Because even to.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 6: Bring up a mixed as anules of zen example, the
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 6: moon is the left eye and the sun is the
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 6: right eye of us.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 4: So but you could also say of.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 6: The universe or however you want to frame it. But
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 6: I just think that that's really interesting. So you can see,
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 6: it's like the wheel turns, what way does it turn?
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 6: I know this has been a big question on especially
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 6: as Matt brought up like Nick lens like new mogram
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 6: readapted Kabbala, which, if you understand Kabala, it's not even
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 6: really a great innovation. It's kind of just like, okay
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 6: that he renumbered the sufferer. He wanted to take this path,
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 6: this path, this path. Okay, there's multiple ways to take
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 6: different paths. There's so many ways you can Rema make
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 6: the tree as you want it. But what I don't
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 6: like about that new mcgram tree, and I'll just say
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 6: this is just for me. This is no reflection of
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 6: anyone on the show right now, unless they want to
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 6: agree that they can.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 4: But that's a locked that's a fixed tree. The way
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 4: that he has it.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 6: The serpent like, if you look, it looks like a cobra,
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 6: Like the serpent kind of looks over Malkouth and then
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 6: he says that's the one right there. But I actually
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 6: like ten for Malcouth. Why because there's still a space
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 6: of emptiness, meaning that there's still a space for us
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 6: to change, to move, to adapt, to be in flux,
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 6: to be quote unquote quicksilver surfers. If you say that
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 6: the tree is totally fixed, you're fixing people's idea of
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 6: what it can be. And personally, I don't like that,
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 6: so I try and be more expensive. That's just me so,
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 6: but that's how I see it, and so I also
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 6: I had the Sailor Moon image. I know people will
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 6: wonder why Nick was playing that the gift because the
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 6: sort of the archetype, you could say, one of the
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 6: archetypes from Malcouth is the bride. So nobody better exemplifies
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 6: the bride than Sailor Moon before she gets married, right,
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 6: she is the bride of the world, and in a
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 6: specific cabalistic way, the bride can also be the world.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 6: It's where she comes into perception of what the world
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 6: really is. This actually fits the contrac model really well.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 6: You have the goddess of the world who enters into
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 6: the carnal ground for the first time, so after she
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 6: crosses the threshold, this is exactly how it's described. She
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 6: crosses the threshold from her garden, from her the palace gates,
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 6: and she enters into the world and she sees all
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 6: these things for the first time, and she doesn't know
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 6: their name because she is still a bride, but we can.
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 6: That's what I think it goes back to. Like everything
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 6: that we've discussed this whole episode is like the naming
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 6: of things. Not being fixed in the names, but knowing
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 6: them is important, but having conceptual frameworks to work with
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 6: with those things in nature that arise or in our
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 6: minds that arise, yes, but not to be fixed in them,
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 6: because then we sort of get stuck. So that's why
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 6: I like the Also the rotating universe. I kind of
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 6: like this like fluid more fluid model. And you often
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 6: see Tibetans will often compare us to fish because we
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 6: are swimming upwards in the ocean of Samsara, swimming through
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 6: the fluid, swimming through like.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 4: The primordial waters of reality itself.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 6: That that's a great example because it's like very few
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 6: even the best magician in this world I know. Matt
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 6: was saying that, yes, there are suffaratic visitors one hundred percent.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 6: There are people in higher consciousness one hundred percent are here.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 6: But that doesn't mean that they even they are necessarily
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 6: quote unquote better. It just means that they bring specific
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 6: knowledges with them when they come here. Or you could
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 6: say they are just regular humans who go up to
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 6: the higher Seffhra and bring back down dath a knowledge
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 6: from that Sephra. And like Nick has talked about a
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 6: million times too, like a lot of inventions, a lot
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 6: of art, a lot of history, a lot of culture
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 6: gets made in this way.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 4: So but even those.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 6: People, those saints, if you want to call them that,
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 6: those zadi, they can get stuck too. So it's important
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 6: that right that nobody remains to fix in their ego
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 6: to And I'm not saying that is like a gret like,
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying as like I'm the guru.
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 3: I'm not.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 6: I'm saying as someone who sometimes gets stuck in his
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 6: own mind, especially, it's important to not get stuck and
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 6: important to like sort of let go of the frameworks
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 6: that are no longer serving us, but also to remember
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 6: our connections. I think that's what the strength of Dharma
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 6: and Buddhism is. And it's not like this isn't too
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 6: far a tangent. But I think that's also about what
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 6: Malcouth is. And I think Matt also touched on this,
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 6: but he touched upon it in a more maybe primordial
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 6: elemental way. But it's also because we all are Malkouth
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 6: in a way, and in some ways we also are heather,
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 6: like the ten is also the one. So we have
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 6: to remember that and sort of bring ourselves into relation,
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 6: right relation, as I would call it, like right treaty,
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 6: like sort of like rectify ourselves so we can actually
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 6: perceive the or at least practice loving kindness or body
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 6: cheetah with other people.
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 4: This is and this is a big thing.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 6: Like a lot of aggregation is people perceiving themselves as
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 6: sole agents in the world. But we're not at actually
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 6: soule agents.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: In the world.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 6: We're actually, like Matt was even saying, like our sphere
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 6: of influence, our sphere of influence starts off so small,
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 6: and our sphere of influence is so much it actually
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 6: becomes a lot stronger when you're linked to other people.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 6: I didn't really realize this until more recently in my life,
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 6: which is maybe not a good reflection of me, but
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 6: it is a very profound point for me personally, so
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 6: I just want to say that. But if we go
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 6: the last image, you'll see why I brought up that
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 6: concept of right relations.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 4: I apologized, Nick.
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 6: So if you're saying this looks just like the Tibetan image,
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 6: well you're not wrong, but it's not a Tibetan image.
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 6: It's actually the Cree medicine wheel. Cree people are from Alberta,
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 6: Saskatchewan and Manitoba. They're called a northern or a Subarctic
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 6: plains people. So you can see they.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 4: Even use very similar colors, very similar. It's like very malcouth,
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 4: like if you put a picture of Malkouth.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 3: It looks exactly think the same thing.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 6: And even green in the center. Green is the color
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 6: of synthesis. So it's very interesting that they would put
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 6: exactly like that's holding it up. It looks exactly the same, right,
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 6: and blue can be a stand in for black. That's
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 6: really interesting, and contra also accounts for that. So that's
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 6: really interesting that they can use black, which is much
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 6: easier to achieve with plant eyes. Blue is actually much
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 6: more difficult to achieve. And so you can see maybe
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 6: that's why, maybe it was a pragmatic decision to use
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 6: black instead of blue, or maybe that's just how they
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 6: culturally understood.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 4: But you can see is not.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 7: Really natural because like in things like bird feathers for instance,
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 7: it's not a pigment but actually of the shape of
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 7: the structure vibrates with the blue wavelength of the light.
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 7: So just like with feathers for instance, very very unique
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 7: way that blues presented. So it's hard to obtain the
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 7: blue dye in nature. A lot of times you have
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 7: to go to these extreme methods like getting creatures out
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 7: of the sea or whatever.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 6: Interrupt you, No, not at all. I'm glad that you did,
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 6: because I think that's a really important part. So this
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 6: is just maybe Malkouth fundamentally is the wheel. It is
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 6: like the understanding that, yes, things can be divided into
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 6: these five sort of primordial elements, north, south, east, and west,
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 6: the five because the center. But in Buddhism we would
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 6: say that the primordial elements are ten in number because
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 6: it's doubled because it's also in our consciousness, but it's
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 6: also maybe in the world around us. But those two
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 6: things have to come into synthesis together for something for
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 6: like magic to happen, or for us to alter reality,
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 6: you'd say, so, I would say that the five is
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 6: kind of like a fundamental number and very primarily important.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 6: So maybe the whole idea is like, I don't know,
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 6: for me, it's become a lot of who cares what
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 6: the you know, whatever people are saying about magic is
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 6: it's fundamentally always there. It's like something that is sort
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 6: of part of our human experiens are human understanding, and
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 6: you don't have to be I don't know, you don't
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 6: have to be a part of any particular order you
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 6: could say, to have higher dethic experiences. It's fully possible
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 6: to do it, if you can even do it accidentally sometimes.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 6: So the reality is like it's accessible to us and
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 6: it's all here, like it's all here, like we're in
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 6: such an incredible yes, very whole like time, very like
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 6: we're all trying to survive. I guess you could say
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 6: on the waters of flux. But it's also interesting because
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 6: we're able to do discussions like this and to say like, yeah,
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 6: look at this Cree medicine wheel. Doesn't it look just
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 6: like a Tibetan Mount merry structure. Isn't that some weird?
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 6: And then some people would say, oh, well, they came
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 6: from Asia. Yeah, they came from Asia like three thousand
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 6: years ago. Like, why would some Tibetans in the middle
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 6: of the world have the same framework. Well, maybe they're
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 6: actually just talking about the same thing.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 5: I've seen Native American civilism get used by occultist It's
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 5: like a Denning and Phillip spoken is because I had
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 5: it when I was, you know, younger getting into this stuff.
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 2: This is a fucking Mick mac symbol.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure it was on the cover of some
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 5: Native American symbol they're actually using on the front of
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 5: their book. There sums it up with that, with occultism
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 5: and Native American ship, you know, I definitely with some
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 5: of the symbolism.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: I definitely think, you know, cultists.
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 5: Oh the white man understood exactly what that shit was
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 5: saying and repurposed it or used it.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because again I'll start escape, sorry, Josh, Like, yeah,
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: escape for you. If you want to do the thing,
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: or if you want to do something that works, you've
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: got to use the system that made you reality, and
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: you're gonna come up to the same things like that's it,
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: however you want to call it, you know, or name
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: it or whatever.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: And then another thing with them too, if you really
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 2: look at.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 5: What they were pushing was shamanistic experience, and that includes
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 5: kind of pushing yourself in your death's.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: Just saying.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 5: I really wish I had the time. I don't have
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 5: the time to pull it up because well, I just
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 5: take me to a longing to do it myself. But
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 5: the same again, the same call as that I think
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 5: is on the Golden Down or the Golden Down pentacles
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 5: that I mentioned earlier. Was there anything else that you
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 5: guys wanted to add or say about this.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: This year?
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 3: I was just going to say that what.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 7: The graphic there reminds me also of in our one
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 7: of our Friday night spaces, we've discussed the five meats
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 7: and the Odriyana Buddhism things, So maybe there's a relationship
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 7: there as well.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 6: To that there definitely is because the five senses. I
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 6: can't remember if Matt or Joshua brought this up, but
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 6: who I credit whomever did, but the five elements become
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 6: very important am alku for us for a contract understanding
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 6: and also for this more indigenous understanding, because it would
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 6: be like the experiential nature of those different and conceptual
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 6: ideas like I'm not going to explain the five meats
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 6: right now, but you could say it's you can easily
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 6: say it's salty, sweet, sour, spicy, and like a meaty
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 6: oo mommy tastes right, just like the taste, or it
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 6: could be sense. I know, Nick just did a major
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 6: couple presentations. Shout out to him on incense without he did.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 6: I got to do a shadow thank you, Yeah, one
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 6: hundred percent shout out that it's a great series, that's
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 6: a great show.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 4: It's really impressed. When he sent me his notes, I
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 4: was like, yeah, this is.
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 3: This is good.
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be adding more to it.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: So yeah, thank you for bringing it up.
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 6: Because that's really that's very malcouth, right, even like a
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 6: Tibet would say this, like they have the same idea,
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 6: Like I know this is a Cree medicine wheel, but
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 6: they have a medicine wheel. They put the herbs in
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 6: the specific quadrants of the thing and then they burn
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 6: it all in the center. And that's considered like a
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 6: mountain that's called a mountain god offering who is the
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 6: mountain god? Well, it's the primordial nature. It's that rigpa,
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 6: that blue I'm looking at Matt shirt.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 4: That's what it is.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 6: It's like that blue nature that even Joshua was talking about.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 6: It's a vibration, it's a wave. It's very aonic in
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 6: a way. So you could say, like, that's what you're
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 6: trying to achieve. You're trying to bring all five things
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 6: and synthesis. Yes, you're using plants as your material, magica
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 6: as your vehicle. But you're choosing plants specifically based on
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 6: their astrological and elemental corresponces. And I'm not saying go read,
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 6: don't go read Scott Cunningham. I know Nick out of
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 6: a joke about that.
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, his stuff is fine. It's just basic,
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 4: I was just yeah, it's very basic. And it's not
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 4: like he's actually not wrong a lot of the time
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 4: in terms of his basic.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I think they're their own point. It's just
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: you know, not obviously I was going a little bit
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: deeper than his book.
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 6: So you're totally right, I I totally I've always agreed
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 6: with you. I always found his book very shallow, and
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 6: I also thought it was like I didn't agree with
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 6: a lot of like his magical attributes I would I
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 6: would say a lot of it was like kind of
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 6: junk science y, like it wasn't like based in like
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 6: any kind of traceable practice. But I think what the
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 6: strength of his thing was, like, Yeah, it gives you
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 6: the basic outline, but are you going to be able
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 6: to like go recreate this in your backyard? Probably not
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 6: with a Cunningham book, but maybe if you go listen
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 6: to the next series you'll be able to do it.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 6: Because the planets are all elemental as well, so if
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 6: you learn an elemental or planetary correspondence of an herb,
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 6: you should be able to map it to other things.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: Real and real quick.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 5: I just to plug this because I know, like when
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 5: you still getting near the end of the show and
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 5: you still wrapping it up, people just hang up. So
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 5: before we get to that point, you're gonna have to
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 5: hear this, uh tomorrow, I think it's seven o'clock or
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 5: your universe unveiled what Ginn is talking about. I will
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 5: be eventually covering it myself on this show, and I'm
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 5: just gonna keep it real. The structure of the way
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 5: it is. I was like, and how much is there?
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 5: And I'm also going to include crystals. Eventually, most likely
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 5: will I will be my first book, because technically I
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 5: am just gonna keep it real. If you look at
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 5: the way those books are done, it's just a repetitive
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 5: same style over and over again. The herb this is
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 5: what it is, next or the next next. It's very
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 5: template that I'm just repeating with different things. You don't
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 5: have to get too creative there. So it's actually I
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 5: was just like, you know, this might be a real
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 5: good way for me to finally put out something in
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 5: print form. But it will go up on the website
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 5: before that happens. But you can get a decent idea
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 5: decent taste of it tomorrow at seven o'clock. Even the
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 5: this teaser that's out now really doesn't get too much
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 5: into the science science. It's a little bit more of
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 5: the witchcla rich craft or magical aspects. But I will
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 5: be covering how all these things affect your nervous system,
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 5: especially you know, the toe of geranial nerves. And you'll
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 5: be surprised at what some of these things do and
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 5: what they would make you feel, because a lot of
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 5: them almost kind of mimic, which I think you're accomplishing
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 5: with them so you have to start wondering how much
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 5: of this could be in my head and just actual
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 5: physical feelings that are happening from the chemical change or
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 5: what's his delusion or what's black magic?
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know. You can get kind of deep depending
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: on how you look at it.
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 5: But yeah, so check that out. Premiere tomorrow seven o'clock.
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 5: All right, continue, whoever else wants to say something though
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 5: you guys are good. Nothing else, Jinny ain't got nothing.
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 6: I'll just say thank you so much Nick forting us
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 6: to do the series. I'm not closing out. I'm saying
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 6: thank you so much. I won't say this again when
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 6: you let me if you let us go again, but
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 6: I just want to say thank you. It really it
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 6: was very important to me to It's been increasingly important
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 6: to me to like promote our group show. Obviously, Matt's
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 6: put a lot of time and effort into producing all
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 6: our of our media web media content, like online content,
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 6: and I put a lot of time and effort into
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 6: doing like the keynot as Matt would call it, and
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 6: also just producing the shows in general.
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 4: And so it means it's actually something that's very meaningful
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 4: to me.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 6: So it's really such an opportunity that you give us
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 6: a platform and let us do this together. And obviously
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 6: I really care about all three of them, even though
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 6: they all Matt doesn't drive me crazy, but maybe the
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 6: other the two Millennial, but they know that. I It's
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 6: like it's become profound for me because we kind of
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 6: do metamagic on Fridays, right, like we do magic together,
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 6: and that kind of changes your whole perception.
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 4: And relationship with each other.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 6: You feel a lot more close, like kind of more
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 6: closely related, You kind of like have like weird It's
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 6: just like a totally different vibe. And it's very much
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 6: as like someone who's been solo like most of my
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 6: life in terms of like just my preference of like
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 6: how I like to live. It's that's been very challenging,
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 6: but at the same time very rewarding. So just thank
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 6: you for so much, Nick for making that happen, and
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 6: also for like all the opportunities that you've given me,
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 6: and also all the other brothers, including Solar, for coming
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 6: on this show and speaking to people who we've all
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 6: looked up to and thought were really interesting. And I
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 6: also want to shout out that episode that Joshua and
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 6: Matt just recently did on my show.
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 4: Yes, I love them both. They're really great.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 6: One is on the Music of the Sufferer with obviously
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 6: Matt and Dappers, and the other one was on Resident
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 6: Evil and like Thepathic Bodies. So if you're interested in
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 6: us talking about kleep Us for two hours or the
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 6: Music of the Sephros for two hours or an hour
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 6: and a half, please go check those episodes out.
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 4: And they're really good. They're also on our Great Lodge website.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 5: Hell yeah, it was great to have you guys on it, man,
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 5: I mean I really I enjoy what do you guys
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 5: do over there? Like when I do check in, And
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know, you're in a cult reject
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 5: so I mean I look at you guys as kind
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 5: of like you know, cousins and siblings anyway, So I mean, like,
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 5: why would you.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 2: Not be here? So we're all doing the same shit
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: you just you know over there and the Lodge a
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: virtual lodge.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 3: No.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 5: I think it was awesome to do the series with
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 5: you guys, And that's why I'm saying I'd like to
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 5: do something going forward again.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: Yes ninety three? Uh, do anybody else have anything to say?
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 5: And then I'll start to wrap it up because I
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 5: do have some promotions things I want to announce as well, regardless,
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 5: So I don't know if you guys want to get
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 5: anything else in before I start letting us all plug
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 5: our shows and wrap up.
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I do have to go here in a moment, Okay,
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 2: I have to take somebody to.
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 5: H He's very like, yeah, the travel Yeah message, you
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 5: gotta well you're gonna jump in your chariot now and take.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 3: Them Yeah, right, Mark, dude, where's my Mark?
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 5: But yeah, so, uh, why don't you Why don't you
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 5: real quick just plug plug yourself and then if you
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 5: want to, let you go before we wrap it up,
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 5: or you could just or you could just leave whenever
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 5: you have to and just you know, bow out quietly.
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 7: I'll just have to go after this if you don't mind,
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 7: go for it. So, yeah, just check us out on
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 7: the Gray Lodge every Friday night. And you know again
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 7: they're on our YouTube channel.
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 3: Uh. They're a lot of fun and interactive.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 7: Also appreciate being I guess here on the Rejects several
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 7: times now, and I'm impressed by the way with the
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 7: multitude of videos that you put out, Like I really
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 7: do feel like, uh, we're part of a network, a
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 7: television networks. I almost watch something around the clock, you know,
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 7: so it gives us a really great alternative to some
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 7: of the other media out there, you know, to kind
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 7: of be a part of that.
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: So it pleases me to be that.
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 7: And I just would extend my appreciation to you guys.
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 7: So keep up the good work, and thank you again
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 7: Matt for uploading.
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, thank you. I appreciate that, Joshua, and thank
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 5: you for joining us. And again I look forward to
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 5: doing more work.
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: Sorry Nick, Okay, I thought somebody fell over, but yes,
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 2: be good branch.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 5: Thank you very much, josh What I wanted is just say,
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 5: real quick too, is that there are some new people
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 5: that I know that are actually coming over.
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 2: I'll keep it real from the Richard Kazinski post.
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 5: It's got to be because it's people into the occult
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 5: and it doesn't look like conspiracy retailts. So I'm assuming
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 5: you must understand this stuff or but you know whatever,
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 5: uh you may not know. I got stickers so I
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 5: could send those out for free. Get eight of them,
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 5: eight like the magician if you're interested. You know, women
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 5: on the Seashell it's actually believe it or not. That
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 5: is all an artistic depiction of the inside of the rival.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 5: So if you're interested in those, I'm sending those out.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 5: DM me on Instagram and Twitter or send me an email.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: I'll send those out.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 5: We also got events coming up if you're in Fort
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 5: Myers or by Fort Myers in Florida this weekend. I
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 5: will be down there with Brooke Brook from Dark Florida
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 5: into Bigfoot. It's kind of, you know, a Bigfoot, cryptid
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 5: all sorts of weird shit event, Charlie's Charlie's Beyond Belief.
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 5: It's like ten to fifteen bucks to get in, and
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 5: Brooke will also be a speaker there. That was one
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 5: of the main reasons I'm going as well support her.
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 5: She has a reject as well as her own show,
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 5: Awesome Woman, and yeah, we're gonna kick it down there.
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 5: Tyrone might be there and we got that on the
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 5: eighteenth in Florida, and then the twenty fifth and the
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 5: twenty sixth in Arkansas. I will have a booth there
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 5: at the Arkansas like paranormal event. Unfortunately, it's kind of
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 5: hard for me to find these like occult things going
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 5: on right now, so I'm just trying to find where
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 5: I could fit in, and they offered me the booth
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 5: for free because of the show. So they're like, oh,
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 5: if you come down and just promote, we'll give you
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 5: the booth for free. So I was like, all right, fine,
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 5: it's the biggest supposed paranormal event every year in Arkansas.
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 2: It's two floors, it's two days. I will have a
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 2: booth there.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 5: It might actually possibly be even like recording kind of
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 5: like you know, I was just.
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 7: Gonna suggest maybe trying to do a live stream while
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 7: you're there, because.
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 2: You could, well they wanted me to. I kind of
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 2: feel bad. This is a shitty situation.
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 5: They even like pushed it to where they were able
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 5: to like get a space for me inside to have
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 5: a plug so I could actually possibly live stream or
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 5: podcast from there. And unfortunately, I'm probably going by myself,
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 5: so I don't even know if it's possible to pull
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 5: that off not.
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know. We'll have to see.
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 5: I'll try my best, but yeah, definitely check that out.
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 5: We'll be there, and yeah, I guess that's really about it.
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 5: For announcements. I will have merch there. We do have
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 5: t shirts, we have this and the Seashell Chick twenty
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 5: five hours of short shifted. If you happen to go
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 5: to the events, they'll be there for twenty books. We'll
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 5: have some my Headless Giants art, and if Tyrone's there,
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 5: he'll have his book as well. So yeah, definitely come
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 5: check us out if you can at either one of
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 5: those events. And now, since I'm done gin you want
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 5: real quick, I guess just remind everybody again.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 7: I mean, I know you kind of said, are theulus
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 7: of zen present on those stickers?
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 5: No, you know what, That's kind of not in there,
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 5: believe it or not. It's more of the aura serrata,
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 5: all right, the seashells, the aura serrata. The water at
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 5: the bottom would be the accuous humor. That stuff up
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 5: in the sky looks like the northern lights. Those are
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 5: the different colored cones or rods, whichever one isn't the
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 5: silver and that's actual color those of them. Uh. The
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 5: electricity would be the optic nerve, and she's the hylloid canal,
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 5: and like it's showing that she can bend either she
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 5: can go straight or bend that that would decide.
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 2: How your pupil dilates. And then the water's move too.
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 5: That's why like the waters are even moving, because when
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 5: that all happens in the arrival, you actually get a
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 5: like a few or elite of the acuous humor in
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 5: the bottom, like kind of splashing as the lens.
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 3: I know we're trying to end.
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 7: But hydrology is there's like hydromancy rather is this art
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 7: of disturbing water and producing images or augury and and
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 7: you just whatever you get, you get, you know, but
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 7: it's some type of devonation that occurs. So it makes
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 7: me wonder if there's something there with the eyes and
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 7: maybe what it's doing with the turbulence.
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that.
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 5: You have to remind me about that one day when
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 5: I'm not so swamped with other ship I might look
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 5: into it.
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 3: Or the wave of a fish's tail as it's going
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 3: through the water.
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a good way to I like that. That's interesting
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 2: with the fish, all right?
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jen, do you want to remind everybody? I think
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 2: you did? You already plug your shit already?
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 6: Kind of yeah I did, But I'll just say really
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 6: quick follow me on Twitter at wokan Reborn, w k
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 6: O and g Reborn, or on Instagram at Threshold Scenes
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 6: or the show on X at Threshold Saints check us
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 6: out every Friday night live the Gray Lodge. We're you know,
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 6: we're I think we've done some really incredible and interesting cabala.
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 6: We talk about the Aonyx cycles. We've talked about rectifying
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 6: what Frederichad does and had done, and we also talked
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 6: about the a of Mott workings and the stuff they
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 6: were doing in the eighties and the nineties and actually
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 6: how I how we all like sort of like to
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 6: rediscussed it and kind of actually gave new pathworkings for it.
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 6: So I think we've actually done something really incredible and
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 6: it is kind of an extension of the show.
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 6: I don't want to like say like Nick is like
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 6: in my ear, but it is kind of an extension
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 6: of me coming on the show.
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 6: It opened up my mind and my perspective so much
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 6: as a magician and as a person and just trying
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 6: to be expansive, and so I really appreciate it. Thank
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 6: you so much to Brother Matt Murra, who the Lodge
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 6: would not exist without, as well as Brother Joshua, who
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 6: the Lodge also not exists without, as well as a
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 6: brother Soloar who the LODG would also not exist without
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 6: so I needed all those people to come in together
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 6: and synthesis and do what we do to make it
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 6: happen and get out of that Yesodac sub Liner world.
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 4: So thank you guys so much. Appreciate it.
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 2: Awesome, Thank you my man and Matt. Please let everybody
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 2: know what is up.
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, so again, thanks a lot for having me here,
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 1: Thanks for the brothers for also coming. This was a
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 1: very nice, very interesting show and that we could go
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 1: on to the end. And yeah, you can find me
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: on many platforms. Always met Mora nineteen. So that's on Twitter,
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 1: that's on TikTok, that's on YouTube, that's on Instagram, maybe
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 1: some other place. Just find me there and if I'm
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 1: not there, just let me know maybe I'll go as well.
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 1: There's also my website that's Cabala dot com k A
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: A B A L A h dot com. A lot
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 1: of interesting stuff there as well, some apps, some content,
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 1: so what I like doing, and yeah, I feel are
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: interested in the crazy stuff we're talking about here. Just
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 1: make sure to follow me and the occult rejects.
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you, man, I really appreciate it, and I
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 5: appreciate that and branch. Yeah, you're already already gave your
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 5: whole thing.
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 2: Thank you everybody in the chat. That's what's up.
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 5: So a lot of familiar faces, saw some new ones.
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 5: I appreciate that. Hopefully stick around check out some other stuff.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 5: We've got tons and tons of different types of stuff
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 5: on this show. If you're into magic and the occult,
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 5: I really do think if you even kind of deal
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 5: with my attitude and behaviors, you'll find there's a lot
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 5: to learn here. So you can give it a chance.
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 5: But uh, yeah, thank you. Well again, I appreciate it.
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 5: And until the next one, everybody be well later.