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Shocking New Evidence: Cult Mom Lori Vallow buys flip flops & Burger King while hubby #4 bleeds out dead · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. In the last hours, damning
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Speaker 1: evidence revealed regarding cult mom Laurie Valo and the shooting
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Speaker 1: death of one of her many husbands, Charles Valo. Is
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Speaker 1: it true she waited nearly an hour after gunning him
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Speaker 1: down along with her brother to call nine one one.
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Speaker 1: We had to go shopping for flip flops and even
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Speaker 1: stop for fast food. That's what I'm telling you. Cult
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Speaker 1: Mom Laurie Valo did a drive by at b K
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Speaker 1: Burger King. She had it her way at eight thirty
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Speaker 1: in the morning while Charles Valo lay bleeding apt Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. So have you guys had a
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Speaker 1: chance to review the documents that came out today? Yes,
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Speaker 1: we did, and what are your thoughts? My thoughts are
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Speaker 1: that it wasn't pretty. It's it was kind of hard
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Speaker 1: to look at to see what they're accused, her and
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Speaker 1: her brother and all of them are doing, and it
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Speaker 1: was just hard to read. The true facts of what
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Speaker 1: actually happened. Didn't surprise you at all. Some of it did,
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Speaker 1: some of it did not, you know, being part of
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Speaker 1: the family knowing some things and the dynamics, you know,
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Speaker 1: know something. So some of it wasn't surprising, but some
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Speaker 1: of it was right down shock, right down shocking. You
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Speaker 1: are hearing our friend Nate eating from East Idaho News
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Speaker 1: speaking with Charles Valo's family because now facts are starting
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Speaker 1: to come out and for victims families sometimes it's downright
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Speaker 1: hard to read, hard to hear what happened to your
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Speaker 1: loved one. Again, thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Foxnation in series see eleven with me and all
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Speaker 1: Star panel to make sense of what is going down
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Speaker 1: right now in the Cult Mom Laurie Valo case. First
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Speaker 1: of all, Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer, court TV anchor.
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Speaker 1: She said, Ashley Wilcot dot com. Doctor Jeff Gardeer, Board
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Speaker 1: certified Clinical Psychologist, Professor Behavioral Medicine at Turo College. You
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Speaker 1: can find him at doctor Jeff Gardeer dot com. And
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Speaker 1: he's the author of Causes of Autism. Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, death investigator, author of Blood
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Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star of a brand
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Speaker 1: new hit on iHeartRadio. The piked and massacret returned to
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Speaker 1: Pike County, but right now to our star reporter joining us,
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Speaker 1: Nate Eaton, a news director East Idaho News dot com.
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Speaker 1: You can find him on Twitter. By the way, Nate
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Speaker 1: News Now I have to watch it all the time
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Speaker 1: to keep up with what's happening with the Colt Mom
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Speaker 1: Laurie Valo case. I mean, Nate Eaton hearing Charles Valo. Now,
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Speaker 1: let's see that was husband four, correct, yeah, number four?
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Speaker 1: All right? What I hear his voice talking about how
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Speaker 1: he could listen to some not the rest, read some
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Speaker 1: not read the rest. It was too upsetting. What evidence
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Speaker 1: did you show it? What is he talking about? Well,
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Speaker 1: these were new court documents just released from Arizona regarding
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Speaker 1: Charles's death, and they came about in the probable cost
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Speaker 1: statement because Laurie Vallo was charged with conspiracy to commit murder.
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Speaker 1: This is the first time we're hearing really any details
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Speaker 1: about what happened, any significant details about what happened the
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Speaker 1: day Charles died, and the fact that his death was
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Speaker 1: apparently planned months before he was shot and killed by
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Speaker 1: Alex past Yeah, you know, we could figure out a
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Speaker 1: lot of it. To you, Ashley Willcott, judge and trial lawyer.
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Speaker 1: We knew that Charles Valo, husband number four of cult
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Speaker 1: Mom Laurie Valo was the father. You've got JJ Valo,
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Speaker 1: and you have Tyley his older sister, Tyleie Ryan from
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Speaker 1: father Joseph Ryan. So we all thought that that day
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Speaker 1: Charles Valo had gone over for routine pickup a little
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Speaker 1: JJ about seven years old, got into an altercation with
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Speaker 1: Valos Lorie Valo's brother Alex, and ended up getting shot dead.
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Speaker 1: That's all we knew. We knew that she was laughing
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Speaker 1: and joking around when cops finally got there. But the
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Speaker 1: rest is all new, Ashley, Yeah, absolutely, it is all new.
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Speaker 1: And Nancy, this is a case in which I think
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Speaker 1: that you know clearly there was an investigation originally. Maybe. However,
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Speaker 1: as more facts come out, I think the more thorough
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Speaker 1: the investigations become and looking at what really happened, because
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Speaker 1: her behavior was odd. Like you said, with the police,
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Speaker 1: she was laughing, she was jovial, she was joking knowing
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Speaker 1: knowing that her ex husband had been killed. It's bizarre
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Speaker 1: to me. But having said that, the thing that's missing
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Speaker 1: in this is what kind of altercation? How did he
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Speaker 1: get shot and killed? Well, another thing that we knew,
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Speaker 1: Nate Eaton by just simple deduction, is that there were
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Speaker 1: only two other witness says Laurie Valo, Alex Cox, the
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Speaker 1: brother who's now dead, and two witnesses JJ Entily, the
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Speaker 1: only witnesses to Charles's death and they're dead. So you're
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Speaker 1: saying that there is evidence now, Nate Eaton, that we're
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Speaker 1: learning about because calm Laurie Valo has now been charged
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Speaker 1: in the shooting death of husband number four, Charles Valo.
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Speaker 1: Now this is in addition to the death of her
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Speaker 1: own children, JJ Entily. Then you've got Tammy Day Belle,
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Speaker 1: Chad Day Belle, husband number five, wife who died in
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Speaker 1: her sleep. But you're saying that this was pre planned. Guys,
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to more of
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Speaker 1: what Charles Valo just shot dead, cold blooded, shot dead.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to what he had to say to
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Speaker 1: Nate Eaton. Jerry, I remember you calling me, I think
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Speaker 1: in November, asking how you could talk to Laurie, wondering
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Speaker 1: if there would be a way that you could connect
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Speaker 1: with her in the jail, and we spoke. That may
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Speaker 1: have been the time that you were in that fit
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Speaker 1: of rage that you just wanted I think you told
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Speaker 1: me you wanted to punch her to put it nicely, well, yes,
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Speaker 1: I don't hit girls. Number one, but if I were
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Speaker 1: to hit any girl, I punch her in the throat.
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Speaker 1: But if I would just like to sit down and
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Speaker 1: look at her in the eye and talk to her,
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Speaker 1: I really would. What would you talk about? I would
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Speaker 1: tell her that she's not some reincarnated deity, that she's
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Speaker 1: not some god on earth that's going to lead all
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Speaker 1: the people to the end of the world when Jesus
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Speaker 1: comes and the creator of the universe will judge her,
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Speaker 1: not me. You are hearing Charles Mallow's brother Jerry, speaking
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Speaker 1: to Nate Eton and he goes on about how he
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Speaker 1: is not a judge. Listen, I'm not a judge. I
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Speaker 1: don't hate. I don't allow that emotion in my heart.
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Speaker 1: And there's probably a few things I'd say to her.
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Speaker 1: But my main rage, nay, would be if Alex was
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Speaker 1: still alive. My wife doesn't know this, but I almost didn't.
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Speaker 1: But I wanted to go to Arizona and find Alex
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Speaker 1: when he didn't know I was there, and take a
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Speaker 1: little baseball back to his ass. You know, to you,
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Speaker 1: doctor Jeff Gardier or clinical psychologist Professor Turot. Doctor Gardier
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Speaker 1: we're seeing all the phases of grief right here. Now.
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Speaker 1: I'm just a trial lawyer, but you know them very well,
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Speaker 1: and I would say that right now, Charles Vella's family
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Speaker 1: is in the anger phase absolutely, And as much as
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Speaker 1: Jerry talks about that he doesn't want to be a
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Speaker 1: judge or jury or executioner, that anger is seething. And
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Speaker 1: the more he thinks about what has happened to his
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Speaker 1: brother and the rest of the family, it's just hard
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Speaker 1: for him to control it. And you know what, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: it's good that he's talking about it, and it's good
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Speaker 1: that he's able to express that rage and anger because
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Speaker 1: so many people that are part of this case, part
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Speaker 1: of this family, they don't know what to do with
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Speaker 1: their emotions because things continue to evolve and answers are
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Speaker 1: just not coming. Crime stories with Nancy Grace in the
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Speaker 1: last hours, everyone, we are getting more of a look
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Speaker 1: at what was going through a cult Laurie Valor's mind
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Speaker 1: when she allow with her brother conspire to gun down
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Speaker 1: her then fourth husband, Charles Valo. Little JJ Father, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our France at kat VB seven News.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors in Arizona declined to charge Chad day Bell in
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Speaker 1: connection to Valo's fourth husband, Charles Valo. And this comes
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Speaker 1: after Chandler police charged Laurie Valo and her brother Alex
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Speaker 1: and his death and all of the stems from a
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Speaker 1: probable cause released last week. The thirteen page probable cause
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Speaker 1: outlines text messages, and online records of the days and
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Speaker 1: minutes leading to the death of Charles Valo. Investigators say
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Speaker 1: Laurie's brother, Alex Cox, shot and killed her fourth husband
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Speaker 1: in July of twenty nineteen. Alex claimed it was self defense.
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Speaker 1: The probable cause revealing Alex waited nearly forty five minutes
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Speaker 1: to call nine one one. Investigators say Alex made no
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Speaker 1: effort to provide aid despite the dispatcher giving him CPR
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Speaker 1: instruction over the phone. Chandler police say phone records also
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Speaker 1: showed Alex called Lourie before he called nine one one,
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Speaker 1: just part of the evidence Chandler police used to charge
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Speaker 1: Lourie in Charles's death. Straight back out to the news
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Speaker 1: director East Idaho News dot Com, Nate Eaton. Nate, Let's
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Speaker 1: go through what we know happened the day that Charles
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Speaker 1: Valo was gunned down. Now, for those of you just
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Speaker 1: joining us. Another murder has been added on to cult
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Speaker 1: mom Laurie Valo's body count. You got seven year old JJ,
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Speaker 1: You've got the team daughter Tyley. You've got Tammy day Bell,
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Speaker 1: her new husband's wife, who was perfectly healthy until the
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Speaker 1: two of them decided to get married. And now you've
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Speaker 1: got Charles Valow. Tell me about the evidence that is
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Speaker 1: backing up the claim that she conspired to murder Charles Valo. Well,
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Speaker 1: six months before Charles died, there was a text message
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Speaker 1: that Laurie sent to a friend. We don't know that
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Speaker 1: friend's name, it's been redacted in court documents. She said
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Speaker 1: something to the effect that Charles is blocking her spiritual gifts,
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Speaker 1: and she started calling Charles Hiplos or ned two different
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Speaker 1: names that he had turned into a place. Are you
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Speaker 1: saying hi p l O? Yes, Hiplos. Not sure the
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Speaker 1: origins of that, But this became Charles's name, they said
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Speaker 1: when he became possessed by this dark spirit. So they
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Speaker 1: had this name for Charles Hiplos that began six months
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Speaker 1: before he died. Fast forward, a month before he died,
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Speaker 1: Laurie text a friend says something like, just got home,
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Speaker 1: got JJ to sleep. Let's go spiritually tonight and work
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Speaker 1: on him. Assuming Charles, we give the timing to the Lord,
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Speaker 1: but we don't need to relent. This is war. A
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Speaker 1: month later, the day comes, Charles arrived to pick up JJ.
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Speaker 1: Was he was going to go out and have a
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Speaker 1: Sunday with his son. He arrives at the home where
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Speaker 1: Alex coxes and according to investigators, Cox shot him, but
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Speaker 1: waited about an hour to report the incidents. Meanwhile, Laurie
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Speaker 1: takes off with JJ, goes to Walgreens to buy flip flops,
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Speaker 1: stopped by Burger King to get food for JJ. Returns
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Speaker 1: home at eight forty eight, an hour nearly an hour
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Speaker 1: after Charles is shot. And not only was Charles shot
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Speaker 1: once Nancy by Alex, but according to these documents, Alex
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Speaker 1: shot him. He was lying on the floor when Alex
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Speaker 1: then shot him again. So he was in a obviously
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Speaker 1: a vulnerable state. He was not, you know, trying to
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Speaker 1: Charles charge at Alex at that point. So Laurie arrived home.
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Speaker 1: Alex had then called police and according to these documents,
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Speaker 1: he said he was doing CPR, he was doing life
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Speaker 1: saving measures, but that was not the case. No, he
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Speaker 1: was not life saving well, according to the police. When
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Speaker 1: they got there, they began life saving measures, and they
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Speaker 1: said that nobody had worked on his body. They were
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Speaker 1: able to tell that nothing had been done on his
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Speaker 1: body at that point. To Jessica Morgan, professor forensics Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: State University and star of the Piketon massacre on iHeartRadio,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, how can a coroner or a medical examine
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Speaker 1: or a death investigator like yourself go to the scene
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Speaker 1: and figure out that husband number four, Charles Valo was
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Speaker 1: shot once while standing and once for the second time
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Speaker 1: while he was already lying on the floor. Well, it
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Speaker 1: goes to trajectory, Nancy, the path that the bullet takes.
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Speaker 1: And I'm going to stop calling Charles Valo's death simply
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Speaker 1: a murder. This is an execution, Nancy. This is what
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Speaker 1: this come down comes down to. And kind of let
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Speaker 1: me tell you what happened. In my opinion, at least,
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Speaker 1: this idea of advance on him on Alex, and then
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Speaker 1: Alex has to kind of thwart this perceived attack. What
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Speaker 1: apparently happened is that he shoots him one time and
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Speaker 1: then according to the medical examiner, what they determined after
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Speaker 1: that is that the aggressor who is Alex, stood over
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Speaker 1: the body and fired down into the body. This is
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Speaker 1: after this man has already sustained what is more than
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Speaker 1: likely a fatal gunshot wound. And here's what they found
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Speaker 1: on the floor. Nancy, I say, Joe Scott, because you
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Speaker 1: could give that same trajectory path, which for those of
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Speaker 1: you that haven't had to study trajectory path and I
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Speaker 1: hope that's all of you of bullets, trajectory path just
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Speaker 1: very simply means the direction that the bullet takes through
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Speaker 1: the body. For instance, if you're shot in the head,
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Speaker 1: is a trajectory path from the chin to the head
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Speaker 1: the scalp, that's the trajectory path. That's how it would work,
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Speaker 1: say from right to left, from down to up at
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Speaker 1: an eighty degree angle. That's what we mean. And I
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Speaker 1: was wondering, just got Morgan if you couldn't get the
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Speaker 1: same trajectory path if Alex had Alex Cox the brother
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Speaker 1: had shot him straight on, head on, through the chest
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Speaker 1: and was hoping that there would be evidence on the
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Speaker 1: floor under him, ballistics evidence to show that's what that's
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Speaker 1: how they could prove he was lying on the ground. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And this is what they found. What they found at
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Speaker 1: the scene beneath his body is what's called a bullet strike.
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Speaker 1: So what this implies is that as he's standing over
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Speaker 1: this poor man who has already been shot, mind you,
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Speaker 1: and if we are believed what we're hearing in front
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Speaker 1: of witnesses, these kids, he is then shot down. They
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Speaker 1: spired down own into his body, and the bullet actually
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Speaker 1: passes through the body and strikes the floor underneath. You
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Speaker 1: don't get that from standing up, Nates. Okay, you don't
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Speaker 1: get that from standing up. This is an out and
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Speaker 1: out execution of a defenseless man, to the best of
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Speaker 1: our knowledge, that wasn't armed with a handgun. And that's
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Speaker 1: what's so horrible about this. She talked about war. She
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Speaker 1: brought it to him. I mean, they brought it to him,
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Speaker 1: and they slaughtered this guy. Did they lure him over,
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Speaker 1: Nate Eaton, or was he there for a scheduled pickup
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Speaker 1: or visitation. Well, according to the documents, he had been
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Speaker 1: concerned for Laurie's help, obviously for some time her mental health,
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Speaker 1: and he was apparently discussing with her other brother, not Alex,
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Speaker 1: but Adam, kind of an intervention they wanted to do
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Speaker 1: something to get Laurie help. So he had come to
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Speaker 1: town and meanwhile, behind the scenes, Laurie and Alex are
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Speaker 1: scheming to do something about Charles, to take his life.
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Speaker 1: So he went over to pick JJ up. They knew
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Speaker 1: that he was coming. He was aware that they knew
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Speaker 1: he was coming, so it was kind of a planned arrangement. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: he had no idea that he was going to be
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Speaker 1: shot and killed. You know, when you're talking about mental health,
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Speaker 1: the first thing that Laurie Valo could have done is
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Speaker 1: to quit sleeping with another woman's husband. Just we could
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Speaker 1: just start right there. So please just don't start preaching
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Speaker 1: mental health to me. I think, however, Nate Eton that
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Speaker 1: the fourth husband, Charles Vallo, was worried about his child
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Speaker 1: and was worried about her talk of saving the one
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Speaker 1: hundred forty plus thousand chosen at the end of the earth,
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Speaker 1: which was supposed to happen I think a year ago
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Speaker 1: last July, right, yeah, yeah, last July. Oh. He was, nephew,
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Speaker 1: he was. He was scared of death for his son.
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Speaker 1: He went to the police multiple times saying, my wife
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Speaker 1: had con crazy. She's she's calling me nudge, she's you know,
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Speaker 1: saying that I'm possess and you mentioned her, you know,
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Speaker 1: sleeping with Chad, and we'll right after Charles was killed,
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Speaker 1: Chad tests Lori and says he had inspiration about death
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Speaker 1: percentages and says Tammy's death is very close. Her percentage
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Speaker 1: has fallen steadily since Hiplo slept. It is encouraging, followed
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Speaker 1: by a heart and lip emoji time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: the more evidence it comes out, the more disgusted a
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Speaker 1: jury will ultimately be. Did you hear what Nate Eaton
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Speaker 1: just said from East idahoanes that after Charles Valo is
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Speaker 1: gunned down at Lorie follows home, she goes and shots
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Speaker 1: for flip flops, wait's almost an hour to call nine
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Speaker 1: one one, and even stops for a drive by at
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Speaker 1: Burger King. It obviously did not affect her appetite that
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Speaker 1: she had just lured her husband over so he could
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Speaker 1: get shot dead. Now you're hearing Nate Eaton talk about evidence,
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Speaker 1: which is my favorite thing to talk about when it
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Speaker 1: comes to a murder trial. The evidence. How can you
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Speaker 1: marshal your evidence to prove this case? Well, I've got
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Speaker 1: a pretty good idea. Take a listen, to our Cut thirteen.
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Speaker 1: This is Katib Chandler. Police say text messages between Lori
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Speaker 1: and Chad after the shooting talked about quote death percentages
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Speaker 1: in relation to Charles and Chad's first wife, Tammy, who
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Speaker 1: died in October of twenty nineteen, which had some wondering
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Speaker 1: if he too would be prosecuted in connection to Charles's death.
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Speaker 1: But on Wednesday, the Maricopa County Attorney's Office in Arizona
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Speaker 1: announced it reviewed the charge submitted against Chad day Bell
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Speaker 1: and have declined prosecution, stating there was no reasonable likelihood
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Speaker 1: of conviction. Alex died five months after Charles. In December
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Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen. A medical examiner ruled he died of
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Speaker 1: natural causes. All this coming to light after Laurie's children,
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Speaker 1: Jj Andentily were reported missing in September of twenty nineteen
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Speaker 1: and technosuggested lam Fox ten Phoenix Our Cut fifteen detectives
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Speaker 1: discussed digital evidence indicating the killing was intended part of
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Speaker 1: a master plan. Please say one a legend message from
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Speaker 1: day Bell to Valorids. I got the inspiration to go
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Speaker 1: back to my original death percentages that helped us track Charles,
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Speaker 1: ned etc. Tammy's very close. Her percentage has fallen steadily
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Speaker 1: since Hiplo's left Nick schnyder O take it over. Charles's body.
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Speaker 1: Documents say Laurie's religious circle referred to her ex as
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Speaker 1: a dark spirit, ned or hipplos, and two witnesses told
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Speaker 1: police that Laurie got her advice in direction from Chad
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Speaker 1: day Bell. Detectives conclude day Bell was aware of the
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Speaker 1: work Laurie did on Charles leading up to his death.
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Speaker 1: Day Bell has already pleaded not guilty to the charges
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Speaker 1: he's accused of In Idaho. Laurie Valos cases meanwhile on hold.
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Speaker 1: Right now. She's in the custody of the state's health department,
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Speaker 1: deemed incompetent and unfit for trial. You know, I want
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Speaker 1: to ask you, Unite Eton, what does that mean? Chad
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Speaker 1: Daybell was aware of the quote work Laurie had done
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Speaker 1: on Charles well. She was chatting with friends through text
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Speaker 1: messages that they were doing spiritual work on him. One
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Speaker 1: of her friends claimed that she could control the weather.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this sounds like it's out of a science
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Speaker 1: fiction movies, honestly, But they were chatting back and forth,
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Speaker 1: and Chad was involved and the prosecutor basically says, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we know he was involved, but we don't think that
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Speaker 1: there is a no solid evidence. Like you mentioned that
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Speaker 1: we could charge him in Arizona for conspiracy to commit
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Speaker 1: murder for Charles, so he was aware getting text messages
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Speaker 1: communicating with them, but it sounds like they don't have
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Speaker 1: enough to actually charge him at this point. Well, Donald,
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Speaker 1: we also learn that Chad day Bell was directing her
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Speaker 1: and what to do. Sometimes that's called a mastermind. He
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Speaker 1: was and back. One of her close friends told me
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Speaker 1: about a year ago that when Charles first approached, Laurian
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Speaker 1: said that sorry. When Chad first approached, Laurian said, Charles
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Speaker 1: had become dark, He'd become a zombie. Laurie actually had
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Speaker 1: a problem with that in the beginning, she was she
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Speaker 1: was not comforted by that. Eventually she did come around
23:45
Speaker 1: to the fact that her husband, according to them, had
23:47
Speaker 1: indeed become dark, and thus the plan went forward to
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Speaker 1: take as life Nate. What more did we learn from
23:53
Speaker 1: this this treasure trove of documents, Lori and Chad and
23:59
Speaker 1: a few other including Alex Cox's wife, we're communicating a
24:05
Speaker 1: lot in text messages, and we've said that from the beginning.
24:08
Speaker 1: In this entire case, the circumstantial evidence that the police
24:12
Speaker 1: have is mind blowing. These people were texting, they were
24:15
Speaker 1: they left a digital footprint everywhere they went, and the
24:19
Speaker 1: Arizona Police released just a few of these little nuggets
24:21
Speaker 1: use little text messages throughout of a Laurie saying that
24:26
Speaker 1: you know, God is leading her to do these things,
24:29
Speaker 1: that she will be like profitable to do as she
24:33
Speaker 1: is told. That she, according to these texts, really felt
24:37
Speaker 1: that God was in charge of this entire plan as
24:40
Speaker 1: they went about taking these lives. That is no defense
24:43
Speaker 1: under the law. To trial attorney Judge Quartin the anchor
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Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott, that's just like saying I was voluntary intoxicated.
24:54
Speaker 1: That's not a defense under the law. All right, everybody
24:57
Speaker 1: down the gil right now would claim they were drunk
24:59
Speaker 1: when they committed a child molestation, ray arson, murder, you
25:03
Speaker 1: name it, selling dope, we were all drunk. Let us out.
25:06
Speaker 1: That's the same thing here. In fact, the en diet
25:08
Speaker 1: one is very clear that the grand jury believe that
25:11
Speaker 1: Laurie Valo and Chad day Bell used their religion as
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Speaker 1: a cloak to justify murder. Right, And so you're right,
25:21
Speaker 1: number one, it's not a defense. And just like ignorance
25:24
Speaker 1: of the law is not a defense, it's not a
25:26
Speaker 1: defense to say I was following my religious beliefs, because
25:30
Speaker 1: regardless of what you claim to be religious beliefs, laws
25:34
Speaker 1: have been broken. There's multiple murders of multiple individuals, including
25:41
Speaker 1: two children, and not only that, Nancy, but like you
25:45
Speaker 1: already pointed out, they're using it as an excuse to
25:49
Speaker 1: engage an immoral, illegal, not appropriate activity. Don't forget, like
25:54
Speaker 1: you said, sleeping with a married man, a man sleeping
25:57
Speaker 1: with a married woman. I mean, these are the things
25:59
Speaker 1: that they're doing under the auspice of oh, it's our religion,
26:04
Speaker 1: but it's not a legal defense. Stay goodness and to you,
26:08
Speaker 1: doctor Jeff Gardier. We know that cultmal Laurie Valo is
26:11
Speaker 1: going to try and claim one incompetence to stand trial,
26:15
Speaker 1: which simply means at the time of trial you are
26:19
Speaker 1: mentally incapable of helping your lawyer in your defense. She
26:24
Speaker 1: will try insanity, which means she did not know right
26:27
Speaker 1: from wrong at the time of all of these murders.
26:31
Speaker 1: But so called radical beliefs are choosing to really create
26:37
Speaker 1: a religion and tell the jury that your religion directed
26:43
Speaker 1: you to murder your children and your husband, and you're
26:47
Speaker 1: a love rival, and it goes on and on and on.
26:50
Speaker 1: That's not going to work. But what about go with me,
26:54
Speaker 1: Go with me, doctor Jeff Gardeer, some sort of brain washing,
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Speaker 1: some sort for instance Stockholm syndrome, where Laurie Vale had
27:06
Speaker 1: been brainwashed by Chad day Bell. Yeah, you bring up
27:10
Speaker 1: a lot of great points. And I actually wrote down
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Speaker 1: on my I don't like it when you say that,
27:15
Speaker 1: because I know you're going to say, but go ahead, no, no, no, no,
27:20
Speaker 1: But here I believe you are absolutely right. There's a
27:24
Speaker 1: difference between radical beliefs, extreme religious beliefs, and a psychosis.
27:32
Speaker 1: And from what I can tell, I haven't examined anyone
27:34
Speaker 1: of course here in this case, but this is not
27:36
Speaker 1: a psychosis. These people understand where they are, what it
27:41
Speaker 1: is that they're doing, the difference between right and wrong,
27:44
Speaker 1: and certainly have intent. So they couldn't use that, as
27:49
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, as an insanity defense. And when
27:54
Speaker 1: we talk about this brainwashing, I believe, yes, that may
27:58
Speaker 1: play a role here between Laurie and Chad. But let's
28:03
Speaker 1: also not forget that Laurie, for a very long time
28:07
Speaker 1: was reading Chad day Bell's books and was appeared to
28:11
Speaker 1: be quite smitten with him as an author and buying
28:15
Speaker 1: into that belief system. So if there was a brainwashing,
28:18
Speaker 1: then it came along very, very easily, because the table
28:22
Speaker 1: was already set in Laurie Valo's mind Prime stories with
28:38
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. I'm going to circle back to you just
28:42
Speaker 1: Scott Morgan on the forty thirty minutes at Charles vale
28:46
Speaker 1: dying bleeding out on the floor. But Nate Eton, I
28:51
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about one particular sentence that
28:55
Speaker 1: really stands out to me. And this new set of
29:01
Speaker 1: documents we've gotten a probable cause affidavit leading to the
29:05
Speaker 1: arrest or the charging of Cultmam Laurie Valo and the
29:09
Speaker 1: murder of husband number four. Charles Valo. Okay, you mentioned
29:14
Speaker 1: Nate Eten. Just got home and got jj to sleep.
29:17
Speaker 1: Let's go spiritually tonight and work on him, Charles Valow.
29:22
Speaker 1: We give the timing to the Lord, but we don't
29:25
Speaker 1: need to relent. This is war. Then somebody texts Laurie
29:29
Speaker 1: Valow saying, oh, and can you meet me at the
29:33
Speaker 1: temple in the morning. I have time tomorrow and we
29:36
Speaker 1: can work on Hipplos That is her crazy name for
29:42
Speaker 1: one of her victims, husband, Charles Vallee. How do we
29:46
Speaker 1: know they weren't not just praying about him but plotting
29:50
Speaker 1: his murder? Oh? They really likely were. And you know
29:55
Speaker 1: there's talk of going to the temple spiritually working on him.
29:59
Speaker 1: I've been by countless investigators when it comes down to this,
30:03
Speaker 1: this is about sex and money. Oh yeah, are you
30:07
Speaker 1: talking about that four thousand dollars that caught Melaurie Valo
30:10
Speaker 1: determined she would get in Social Security if Charles Valo died?
30:15
Speaker 1: And there our computer records showing her searches one week.
30:19
Speaker 1: One week after Charles died, she texted Chad, according to
30:23
Speaker 1: these documents, So I talked to the insurance company. He
30:27
Speaker 1: meaning Charles changed it in March, so it was probably
30:30
Speaker 1: ned before we got rid of him. They can't tell
30:33
Speaker 1: me to who, of course, but it's done. I'll still
30:36
Speaker 1: get the four thousand a month from Social Security. Well,
30:39
Speaker 1: we know she's talking about the million dollar life insurance
30:41
Speaker 1: policy that she originally was a benefactor from, but when
30:46
Speaker 1: Charles became worried that something might happen, he changed that
30:50
Speaker 1: benefactor to Kay Woodcock, his sister and Laurie confronted Kay
30:54
Speaker 1: about that one week after Kay's brother Charles dies and
30:58
Speaker 1: says his sister it's all the money and I'm left
31:01
Speaker 1: with the kids and nothing. So there's text evidence there
31:05
Speaker 1: that says that they definitely were thinking about finances. Now
31:09
Speaker 1: tell me. The day that Charles Valo was gunned down
31:13
Speaker 1: was a July eleventh, b eleventh, and then that text
31:16
Speaker 1: was sent on the eighteenth and June. Jeanne. Investigators say
31:23
Speaker 1: Laurie Valo searched the Internet for social security disability information.
31:29
Speaker 1: There was a message sent to Chad where she says
31:32
Speaker 1: she determined should get four grand a month in social
31:36
Speaker 1: security if Valo died. Was that before or after his shooting,
31:43
Speaker 1: which Jeanne, are we talking about? So that was before
31:46
Speaker 1: she did search the internet before and after the she
31:50
Speaker 1: made an appoint She made an appointment to go down
31:53
Speaker 1: and talk to the Social Security benefit because Hiley was
31:56
Speaker 1: now without a father. So that's why she got the
31:58
Speaker 1: four thousand a month. And just Morgan, as I like
32:01
Speaker 1: to say to a jury, there you go. The month
32:05
Speaker 1: before he died, four weeks before he died, she was
32:09
Speaker 1: hunched over a computer calculator in hand, trying to figure
32:13
Speaker 1: out how much money she would get if he's dead,
32:17
Speaker 1: and then bam, she has him come over to the
32:20
Speaker 1: home while she's there and he gets shot. I mean
32:24
Speaker 1: two and two still equals four, right, Yeah, And you know,
32:27
Speaker 1: I guess she's still saying that God's in all these details. Right,
32:31
Speaker 1: She's sitting here and she's plotting, and she's planning. And
32:33
Speaker 1: this is again, I'll go back to what I earlier said, Nancy,
32:37
Speaker 1: this is an execution. And I think that many people believe, unfortunately,
32:43
Speaker 1: because of media and this sort of thing, when someone
32:45
Speaker 1: is shot, that they die immediately unless you score a headshot,
32:49
Speaker 1: which means like to the skull. That's just not the case.
32:53
Speaker 1: This guy languished for a while. And here's what I
32:57
Speaker 1: was thinking when he was shot that initial time, for
33:00
Speaker 1: this advancing theory that they had put forward in the beginning.
33:06
Speaker 1: And he's down on the floor, Why do you have
33:08
Speaker 1: the need to shoot him again? Well, I can tell
33:10
Speaker 1: you why. He's probably writhing around. He's probably shot in
33:14
Speaker 1: the trunk, in the chest or the abdomen, and he's
33:16
Speaker 1: writhing around on the ground and he's bleeding out internally.
33:21
Speaker 1: Nancy do you realize what kind of cold, cowardly event
33:25
Speaker 1: this is in order to shoot and facilitate and encourage
33:29
Speaker 1: the shooting of the man that you have had children
33:34
Speaker 1: with in front of his children, if we're to believe that.
33:37
Speaker 1: And he shot this guy and he's standing over him,
33:40
Speaker 1: he's watching him bleed out on the ground, Nancy, and
33:43
Speaker 1: then he pumps another round into him. Now we don't
33:46
Speaker 1: know where these rounds are oriented, but I do know this.
33:50
Speaker 1: It's telling when they say that there were no resuscitative
33:53
Speaker 1: efforts made when I show up at seems Nancy. As
33:58
Speaker 1: a death investigator, you can tell when people have attempted
34:01
Speaker 1: to resuscitate somebody, particularly an individual that has been shot,
34:05
Speaker 1: because listen, there is a hole in the body. There
34:07
Speaker 1: will be blood everywhere, even more blood than somebody use.
34:10
Speaker 1: It's just naturally breathing out. If you're doing chest compressions,
34:14
Speaker 1: they're also spitting up blood. You're the person that will
34:18
Speaker 1: try to do this will be covered in blood. They
34:20
Speaker 1: have seen any evidence of that. This goes to how cold,
34:23
Speaker 1: how cold, and how cruel this whole thing is. And
34:26
Speaker 1: this timeline that you're establishing with all the text and
34:29
Speaker 1: then go back a month and she's sitting there trying
34:33
Speaker 1: to determine how she's going to get so security benefits
34:36
Speaker 1: for the child and stuff for You may need to
34:41
Speaker 1: lay down for this, Nate Eat, newswriter at East Idaho
34:44
Speaker 1: News dot com. Aren't you leaving something out? I know
34:46
Speaker 1: you mentioned that Charles Valo have planned an intervention with
34:52
Speaker 1: Lorie Valo about her belief that she was a goddess.
34:57
Speaker 1: Isn't true, But just two days for Valor was shot
35:01
Speaker 1: and killed. Cult mom Laurie Valor discovered that he had
35:05
Speaker 1: planned this intervention and had asked her to come clean
35:12
Speaker 1: about her relationship with Chad Daybill or he would tell
35:17
Speaker 1: Tammy Daybill they were having a sex affair. That's exactly right.
35:23
Speaker 1: According to these documents, Charles was aware that Laurie was
35:27
Speaker 1: having this affair and he wanted to reach out to
35:30
Speaker 1: Tammy in Idaho and let her know what was happening.
35:34
Speaker 1: And that's when things seemed to accelerate, even the day before.
35:39
Speaker 1: So this was two you mentioned that, I was two
35:41
Speaker 1: days before Charles died. The day before, she's texting somebody
35:45
Speaker 1: we don't know who, saying you can't go. Somebody was
35:48
Speaker 1: supposed to go to Utah for a wedding from Arizona.
35:51
Speaker 1: She texted this friend and said, you can't go. We
35:53
Speaker 1: both need to stay here to defend ourselves. It's coming
35:56
Speaker 1: to a head. This week will change everything. I'm getting sleepy.
36:01
Speaker 1: Come by the house tomorrow. I will be I will
36:04
Speaker 1: do as I am told, and so will you. So
36:07
Speaker 1: it's almost as if there's forty eight hours when Charles
36:10
Speaker 1: was planning an intervention. He confronts Laurie about the affair.
36:13
Speaker 1: He plans to go to Chad's wife. There's plan accelerating.
36:18
Speaker 1: Laurie thinks I gotta do something. Hey, Nate, do you
36:21
Speaker 1: think there's any chance somebody told Tammy day Bill Charles?
36:28
Speaker 1: You know, I've asked Tammy's family if they think Tammy knew.
36:34
Speaker 1: They said that she never mentioned anything to them, and
36:37
Speaker 1: she was very close with her sister, and her sister
36:40
Speaker 1: said she didn't know anything. Now there is a chance
36:42
Speaker 1: that she was embarrassed, that she didn't want to talk
36:45
Speaker 1: about this, that she was trying to figure it out.
36:48
Speaker 1: We do know that a week or two before she died,
36:50
Speaker 1: Tammy went by herself to spend some time with her
36:53
Speaker 1: family without Chad, without any of the kids, and they
36:56
Speaker 1: had a great time. There's a chance she knew, but
36:59
Speaker 1: as far as her extended family members tell me that
37:02
Speaker 1: she never mentioned anything to them. So nte Eton East
37:06
Speaker 1: Idaho News dot Com on the case in the very beginning,
37:10
Speaker 1: I thought maybe there would be a surprise in this,
37:14
Speaker 1: but it's the same old thing, sex and money. I think.
37:18
Speaker 1: I think the most surprising thing is the fact that
37:22
Speaker 1: the police, and maybe we shouldn't be surprised because they've
37:24
Speaker 1: said this from the beginning, but they have minute by
37:27
Speaker 1: minute text messages that lay out the case or the prosecutor,
37:32
Speaker 1: so it seems. And if someone is one legal expert
37:37
Speaker 1: told me, if you're their defense attorneys right now, you
37:39
Speaker 1: start talking trying to talk a free agreement because if
37:42
Speaker 1: this is this is just a snapshot of the evidence
37:45
Speaker 1: they have, imagine what they can present at trial. Nate,
37:47
Speaker 1: doesn't that jerstation have the death penalty? You? I mean,
37:51
Speaker 1: how many dead bodies does it take to get the
37:53
Speaker 1: death penalty? The prosecutor has sixty days from the day
37:57
Speaker 1: that of arraignment could declare if they're going for the
38:00
Speaker 1: death pening your own children, Tammy day Bill in her sleep,
38:05
Speaker 1: I mean, what more do you have to do there
38:07
Speaker 1: plan a bomb. I believe the prosecutor will go for
38:11
Speaker 1: the death penalty, But right now Laurie's case, everything is
38:15
Speaker 1: on hold, so nothing can progress there until she is
38:17
Speaker 1: deemed competent, which could come as early as the fall,
38:20
Speaker 1: or could come in ten years. You just never know.
38:23
Speaker 1: There is no insanity defense in Idaho. She cannot lead insane.
38:28
Speaker 1: As for Chad, we should know in the next thirty
38:31
Speaker 1: days if the prosecutor intends to go for the death penalty.
38:34
Speaker 1: We can't seek it on one and not the other.
38:36
Speaker 1: They're both, They're both stewing together in the same pot. Yeah,
38:40
Speaker 1: I would imagine if they go for one, they're going
38:42
Speaker 1: to go for both. Right now, I'm just trying to
38:46
Speaker 1: make sense of all this new evidence showing cult mom
38:51
Speaker 1: Laurie Valo planning scheming to murder husband number for Charles
39:01
Speaker 1: Vallee and did it while j J entirely were there
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Speaker 1: in the home to witness it. We wait as justice,
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Speaker 1: God willing unfolds Nancy Grace's crime story, signing off Goodbye friend,