Latest / The Breakfast Club / It's Up There: Claressa Shields on Papoose, the Viral Knockdown, $8M Deal & Being Called “Ugly"
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- 0:00Speaker 1: You start looking in the mirror at yourself. I've never
- 0:02Speaker 1: looked in the mirror and was like, God, damn you ugly.
- 0:04Speaker 1: Some of these girls want to want to throw an
- 0:06Speaker 1: ugly word around. First of all, it don't matter how
- 0:10Speaker 1: I look to you.
- 0:11Speaker 2: I know I'm bad, and my man know I'm bad too.
- 0:16Speaker 1: When you are dominant and you confident and you are yourself,
- 0:22Speaker 1: they will try to tear that down. Like right now,
- 0:25Speaker 1: I'm the celebrity who they team upon right now, you
- 0:27Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, who they make These fake narratives
- 0:28Speaker 1: and these rumors are all this bullshit about when I
- 0:30Speaker 1: discovered my own beauty and discover how I wanted to poppet.
- 0:34Speaker 1: That's when I went up because I went from no lashes,
- 0:39Speaker 1: no makeup, T shirt and jeans penny shoes.
- 0:43Speaker 2: To now I'm coming with the hair, to make up,
- 0:46Speaker 2: the clothes, the heels.
- 0:48Speaker 1: I'm not changing myself, but people who don't like me
- 0:51Speaker 1: and who I don't like when it's my fight week,
- 0:53Speaker 1: you might as well call me Beyonce.
- 0:55Speaker 2: I'm stepping every time like Beyonce and this bitch bow down.
- 1:01Speaker 2: Mike check one, two three.
- 1:02Speaker 3: You'll welcome to us up there, podcast. I am Big
- 1:05Speaker 3: Loan Prime Minister of Culture. Today I have a very
- 1:08Speaker 3: special guest. I have the guote the greatest woman box
- 1:13Speaker 3: of all time, Clarissa Shields.
- 1:15Speaker 4: How are you?
- 1:16Speaker 2: I'm fine? Thank you for having me.
- 1:18Speaker 3: I really appreciate you stopping by. We got pat poos
- 1:20Speaker 3: in the cut, salute the path. How you feeling.
- 1:23Speaker 2: I feel good. I'm really excited.
- 1:25Speaker 1: Today was the Meet and Greek with all the Atlanta fans,
- 1:29Speaker 1: and boy did they show up today.
- 1:31Speaker 4: I was surprised, you know what.
- 1:35Speaker 2: I don't know why.
- 1:36Speaker 1: I was surprised because it was like they've been hitting
- 1:38Speaker 1: me up all week like we coming.
- 1:41Speaker 2: He always be like when you hear it.
- 1:42Speaker 1: Black, you know you hear your people say that they
- 1:43Speaker 1: coming here, be like yeah, I but no, they was
- 1:46Speaker 1: water wall up and at the end of the day,
- 1:47Speaker 1: and I would just it just got me excited for
- 1:49Speaker 1: the fifteenth because if they wore a wall for Meet
- 1:52Speaker 1: and Greek, I just know that Atlanta State Farm Arena
- 1:57Speaker 1: about to be just crazy for sure.
- 2:00Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to it. Your record, your undefeated record,
- 2:04Speaker 4: do you ever feel like that you are represented in
- 2:07Speaker 4: the boxing field in the proper way with all the
- 2:10Speaker 4: work you've.
- 2:10Speaker 1: Put in absolutely, boxing holes me at the highest regard.
- 2:16Speaker 1: I mean from the best boxers in the world, from
- 2:19Speaker 1: Terrence Crawford, Mike Tyson, ch Course Stevenson, andre Ward, all
- 2:24Speaker 1: of them give me my praises, all the networks ESPN,
- 2:27Speaker 1: Fighter at the Year, Ring Magazine, Fighter at the Year.
- 2:31Speaker 2: I mean for as with other year, all.
- 2:33Speaker 1: These different times a spy, boxing hold me at the
- 2:36Speaker 1: highest regard. And I'm happy in prov that because I
- 2:40Speaker 1: work really hard.
- 2:41Speaker 4: One hundred percent.
- 2:42Speaker 3: You you want an Olympic gold at seventeen, You've been
- 2:46Speaker 3: undisputed in three divisions.
- 2:48Speaker 4: Yep, you got the.
- 2:49Speaker 3: Movie, you got Fire got, you got love with pet Pools.
- 2:53Speaker 3: What are you still fighting for at this point?
- 2:57Speaker 2: Right now?
- 2:58Speaker 1: I just want to I want to rack up as
- 3:01Speaker 1: many wins and conquer and have as much legacy as
- 3:06Speaker 1: I can and then and then retire.
- 3:09Speaker 2: That's it.
- 3:10Speaker 1: Like right now, I box because I make a lot
- 3:13Speaker 1: of money boxing and boxing it's just what I love
- 3:16Speaker 1: to do. Like It's not like I feel like boxing
- 3:20Speaker 1: is a hobby. I think that when you do what
- 3:21Speaker 1: you love, it's like you make money anyway. So boxing
- 3:24Speaker 1: has always been like a hobby for me, Like I
- 3:27Speaker 1: would do it for free, right, I would do it
- 3:29Speaker 1: for free. They were like, hey, you know, back in
- 3:32Speaker 1: the amateurs, I didn't make a dollar off box until
- 3:34Speaker 1: I was seventeen.
- 3:35Speaker 2: At the Olympics before the end, I didn't make no money.
- 3:38Speaker 1: So from the time of time of age of eleven
- 3:42Speaker 1: to seventeen, I didn't make a dime.
- 3:45Speaker 2: But those were my toughest years.
- 3:47Speaker 3: I'm sure I bet like trying to get in this
- 3:49Speaker 3: game as a female boxer because I don't. I don't
- 3:53Speaker 3: feel like I feel like your opponent is against the
- 3:56Speaker 3: value because I know how great you are, I know
- 3:58Speaker 3: how much you've done, and I know the boxing people
- 4:01Speaker 3: celebrate you. But I still think that women have a
- 4:04Speaker 3: hard time in boxing just from a publicity standpoint.
- 4:08Speaker 4: Not for you.
- 4:09Speaker 3: You're a nominaly and I'm speaking people under you and
- 4:12Speaker 3: behind you. How you leave the game is important as well.
- 4:15Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I came into the game when
- 4:17Speaker 1: I was twenty one, two Olympic gold medals, and the
- 4:21Speaker 1: most thing that I wanted to do that hadn't been
- 4:23Speaker 1: done was fight on TV. I was like, I just
- 4:25Speaker 1: want to fight on TV, and it was no lane
- 4:28Speaker 1: for that, and I thought, yeah, I'll get the chance
- 4:32Speaker 1: to fight on TV, but it'd be toward the end
- 4:33Speaker 1: of my career. I didn't know I would come out
- 4:36Speaker 1: the gate and they would automatically start putting me on TV.
- 4:39Speaker 1: That was the big shocker with showtime for me. After that,
- 4:44Speaker 1: things started to change in women's boxing. But I think
- 4:47Speaker 1: the reason why I wanted to stand out women fighters
- 4:50Speaker 1: is because I put myself out there. I'm open with
- 4:55Speaker 1: my fans, I have a brand. I know what I
- 4:57Speaker 1: stand for, and it's that I just don't stand for,
- 5:01Speaker 1: I don't like, I don't agree with, and I'm okay
- 5:05Speaker 1: with vocalizing that right. And then also I'm okay with
- 5:08Speaker 1: being who I am myself. I think that draws people
- 5:12Speaker 1: to me. That like that makes me the people's champ.
- 5:15Speaker 1: Anybody that has met me in person loves CLARESSA Shields.
- 5:18Speaker 1: I've never been disliked by somebody who's actually met me.
- 5:21Speaker 3: Right now, your brain power is extremely impressive and it's
- 5:25Speaker 3: important for a boxer, and I think when I'm speaking
- 5:28Speaker 3: to you, we're speaking to an anomaly. I'm speaking to Clarissa,
- 5:31Speaker 3: So it feels funny that I'm saying female boxes don't
- 5:35Speaker 3: get to just do when I'm speaking to you and
- 5:37Speaker 3: you get more than what I would say is you know,
- 5:40Speaker 3: a light for a boxer. But I think female boxes
- 5:43Speaker 3: as a whole should appreciate what you've done in this
- 5:46Speaker 3: sport man, because you carried it on your back for
- 5:48Speaker 3: some time now and try to lick it up.
- 5:51Speaker 1: I think it's appreciated. But you what, You're gonna have
- 5:53Speaker 1: your haters. It's people who didn't appreciate Jordan. It's those
- 5:56Speaker 1: who don't appreciate Lebron and Kobe. So it's like you
- 6:00Speaker 1: have your haters. But all the girls in women's boxing
- 6:04Speaker 1: know that I started this, Like I came out the gate.
- 6:08Speaker 1: Even when you're talking about like the weigh ins, I'm
- 6:10Speaker 1: the one that came out with the.
- 6:11Speaker 2: Fur in the night.
- 6:13Speaker 1: Yeah, came out with the fur, the hair to make up.
- 6:15Speaker 1: I'm the first one to do that. Even though we
- 6:18Speaker 1: had girls that came before me that likes to play
- 6:20Speaker 1: this whole. They pretty and they sexy. It was like
- 6:23Speaker 1: I know how to sell the you know how they say,
- 6:28Speaker 1: like you want to sell sex a little bit, you
- 6:29Speaker 1: want to sell I know how to sell it.
- 6:32Speaker 2: To where it's not a bad thing, where it makes sense.
- 6:36Speaker 1: So it's like I'm not gonna wear that type of
- 6:38Speaker 1: outfit to the for the weigh in, to the media workout,
- 6:41Speaker 1: to the press conference, but for the way in, we
- 6:45Speaker 1: got to strip down down.
- 6:46Speaker 2: Near naked anyway. So you might as well come with
- 6:48Speaker 2: the fur, the hair, the bikini, the swimsuit and show
- 6:53Speaker 2: off your games from camp and make it look good
- 6:55Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, you are a woman,
- 6:58Speaker 2: woman boxer right box to come second.
- 7:00Speaker 1: So with that, I've found a way to make my
- 7:03Speaker 1: whole fight week my fashion week.
- 7:06Speaker 4: That's hard.
- 7:06Speaker 2: From Monday till fight Day, I'm coming.
- 7:09Speaker 1: I got a bunch of different wigs, I got my
- 7:11Speaker 1: makeup artists, I got my outfits, I got my arrivals.
- 7:16Speaker 2: Man, I show.
- 7:17Speaker 1: Up and show them this is this is the beauty
- 7:21Speaker 1: of being a woman boxer.
- 7:22Speaker 2: And then you get the beast on fight night?
- 7:25Speaker 5: Is there?
- 7:25Speaker 3: Is it frowned apart and to be sexy in boxing?
- 7:28Speaker 3: Are they expecting you to be the Clarissa that you
- 7:31Speaker 3: may have shown at first with the braids And I'm
- 7:33Speaker 3: never even gonna, you know, morph into the woman y'all
- 7:36Speaker 3: may see outside of the ring. I'm just gonna be
- 7:39Speaker 3: like the boxer one hundred percent is that frowned upon
- 7:42Speaker 3: that you want to come out in the mink and
- 7:44Speaker 3: you want to come out and kind of pop it.
- 7:46Speaker 4: How is that received from the boxing community.
- 7:50Speaker 1: That made my brain skyrocket up? When I discovered my
- 7:54Speaker 1: own beauty and discover how I wanted to pop it,
- 7:56Speaker 1: That's when I went up because I was the only
- 7:58Speaker 1: girl doing it. Now you have other girls who got
- 8:01Speaker 1: you know, who got the memo, they get it now, right,
- 8:05Speaker 1: But when.
- 8:07Speaker 2: It was just me, it wasn't found upon. It was
- 8:09Speaker 2: just shocking.
- 8:10Speaker 1: They were like, wait a minute, because I went from
- 8:14Speaker 1: no lashes, no makeup, T shirt and jeans Henny shoes
- 8:19Speaker 1: to now I'm coming with her here the make up,
- 8:23Speaker 1: the clothes, the heels, and I really did it without
- 8:25Speaker 1: even giving anybody it heads up. I think it was
- 8:29Speaker 1: twenty twenty three and I was like, fight week, this
- 8:33Speaker 1: is what I want to do, and I tried it
- 8:35Speaker 1: and we got great results. We got more followers, we
- 8:38Speaker 1: got higher views, we got more viewership, and I was
- 8:42Speaker 1: able to negotiate me an eight minut dollars deal Dowline.
- 8:46Speaker 3: So beautiful thing. Congratulations as well. But I do want
- 8:50Speaker 3: to talk to you about that though. Looks because I
- 8:52Speaker 3: do see sometimes where they try to play on your top.
- 8:55Speaker 3: You're a very beautiful woman, but they try to play
- 8:58Speaker 3: on your top a little bit on social media.
- 9:00Speaker 4: How do you navigate through that?
- 9:03Speaker 1: You just got laughing people, because when you're a woman.
- 9:06Speaker 1: You know me, I grew up.
- 9:08Speaker 2: I was in the gym with all boys, and nobody
- 9:10Speaker 2: cared about hair and your clothes and nothing.
- 9:14Speaker 1: All I cared about was being the fastest and the
- 9:15Speaker 1: strongest and the most skilled at the gym. So now
- 9:18Speaker 1: it it's turned into you know, your teenagers and your
- 9:21Speaker 1: young adult years and you start looking in the mirror
- 9:24Speaker 1: at yourself. I've never looked in the mirror and was like, God,
- 9:26Speaker 1: damn you ugly. And I've never been called that either,
- 9:29Speaker 1: you know after I think everybody has been called ugly
- 9:32Speaker 1: in elementary But when it got to middle school and
- 9:36Speaker 1: high school, I was having.
- 9:37Speaker 2: To fight the boys to keep them off me. Coach
- 9:39Speaker 2: was telling gods, you can't come to the gym and
- 9:41Speaker 2: training down here. Guys were signing.
- 9:43Speaker 1: Up for boxing at Burston Field House, try and date.
- 9:45Speaker 1: Me and Coach were like, y'all can't come down here, folks,
- 9:50Speaker 1: get out of here. Red quit talking to them, like
- 9:53Speaker 1: my coach was very very strict. Guys would come down
- 9:55Speaker 1: to the gym just to try to holler at me.
- 9:58Speaker 1: So now when I'm in this well, now where I
- 10:00Speaker 1: hear some of these girls, when I want to throw
- 10:03Speaker 1: the ugly word around. First of all, it don't matter
- 10:07Speaker 1: how I look to you. I know I'm bad, and
- 10:11Speaker 1: my man know I'm bad too, and that's there. That's
- 10:14Speaker 1: all that count. Like one I've never First of all,
- 10:19Speaker 1: I probably was fourteen when I realized that I had
- 10:22Speaker 1: a butt.
- 10:23Speaker 2: That's a scary shit. Listen.
- 10:28Speaker 1: I was walking from the grocery store and a man
- 10:32Speaker 1: rolled by in the trunk and he truck, and he
- 10:34Speaker 1: hunked at.
- 10:34Speaker 2: Me, and I was I looked at himself, you know
- 10:38Speaker 2: what I'm saying. He just was like, you got a
- 10:41Speaker 2: nice ass, and I took off running.
- 10:43Speaker 1: I ran so fast, said oh, he's tweaking. But I
- 10:46Speaker 1: didn't know that I was even forming a shape. I've
- 10:49Speaker 1: always been skinny my entire life, so now I got
- 10:51Speaker 1: like a little butt. And I just remember like being
- 10:55Speaker 1: uncomfortable with people looking at my body, so meeting me
- 11:00Speaker 1: not knowing or realizing that. But I always wore like
- 11:03Speaker 1: a big hurt, like a big T shirt and big jeans,
- 11:07Speaker 1: like big shorts. I never wore stuff that was tight,
- 11:10Speaker 1: and so as I got older, you know, twenty one
- 11:13Speaker 1: and twenty five, it was like, okay, now I'm can
- 11:16Speaker 1: relax a little bit. But growing up, I was like,
- 11:18Speaker 1: I don't want to looking at me. So it's like
- 11:20Speaker 1: I don't even want to be I didn't even want
- 11:23Speaker 1: to be sexier. I didn't want them to look at
- 11:25Speaker 1: me like, oh, look at what she got. I wanted
- 11:28Speaker 1: people to just like watch me box, don't look at
- 11:32Speaker 1: everything else.
- 11:32Speaker 2: That was always my thing.
- 11:34Speaker 1: I never wanted to be like you know, but I
- 11:36Speaker 1: know that I accept how I look, and I think
- 11:39Speaker 1: I look damn good.
- 11:40Speaker 4: Right for sure.
- 11:41Speaker 3: The larger conversation, and I agree with that, But the
- 11:44Speaker 3: larger conversation is, I've never really seen online do that
- 11:49Speaker 3: to a white woman. I've never seen that.
- 11:53Speaker 4: I've never seen.
- 11:54Speaker 6: They don't even throw that term around. And me, as
- 11:58Speaker 6: you were talking, I'm just thinking of have I ever
- 12:01Speaker 6: seen anybody, in particular the white community throw ugly on
- 12:07Speaker 6: another white I have never seen that.
- 12:09Speaker 1: First of all, were talking about we're talking about people
- 12:12Speaker 1: that call Serena Williams ugly.
- 12:14Speaker 2: Back in the day and knowing that Serena Williams is
- 12:17Speaker 2: dropped dead gorgeous, so is Venus.
- 12:20Speaker 1: So I come right along the line of those women,
- 12:23Speaker 1: and I've always been called like a little Serena or
- 12:27Speaker 1: like they would say like, oh, are you Serena's sister
- 12:30Speaker 1: coming up? So it's like when you are dominant and
- 12:34Speaker 1: you confident and you are yourself, they will try to
- 12:38Speaker 1: tear that down.
- 12:39Speaker 4: Do you see that?
- 12:40Speaker 7: Though?
- 12:40Speaker 4: Do you see what I see? Do you see that?
- 12:43Speaker 3: I don't even looked at it like that, but do
- 12:46Speaker 3: you see that? They do they say that to white women?
- 12:49Speaker 4: Do you know that?
- 12:50Speaker 2: Will I would say, I don't. I don't think it's
- 12:52Speaker 2: a thing about white or black.
- 12:54Speaker 1: I think it's a thing of They all pick and
- 12:57Speaker 1: choose who they want to team up on, and it's
- 13:01Speaker 1: always like like, right now, I'm the celebrity who they
- 13:03Speaker 1: team upon right now?
- 13:04Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Who they make these fake
- 13:06Speaker 2: narratives and these rumors are all this bullshit about. But
- 13:09Speaker 2: at one point in the time, it.
- 13:10Speaker 4: Was Angeeries, right, And that's what that's like.
- 13:12Speaker 3: A kid and the Angel Ree She's another one that
- 13:14Speaker 3: kind of goes through some of that like pulling from
- 13:17Speaker 3: the media that I'm saying this is unusual coverage.
- 13:22Speaker 2: Look at what she's doing. Though.
- 13:23Speaker 1: It's like the more success, the more confident, the more dominant,
- 13:27Speaker 1: the more you continue to grow, they want to throw
- 13:30Speaker 1: you off.
- 13:31Speaker 2: So, like I.
- 13:32Speaker 1: Said, I don't know who they hate more, meat or Angerie.
- 13:35Speaker 1: I just know I feel like we both go through
- 13:36Speaker 1: the same type of backlash. But have you ever have
- 13:40Speaker 1: I ever seen it with a white woman? I don't
- 13:42Speaker 1: even think about that because I think about have I
- 13:44Speaker 1: ever seen it with another woman? And when I think
- 13:46Speaker 1: about it, I just see Serena, I see angel I
- 13:50Speaker 1: see myself.
- 13:55Speaker 2: That's it. But those are along a line of those.
- 13:59Speaker 1: Are great, right, So if you're not great, like nobody cares,
- 14:03Speaker 1: like how many. I mean, there's been a lot of
- 14:05Speaker 1: great white women who've done sports, but I don't think
- 14:08Speaker 1: it was to the point that they were going to
- 14:09Speaker 1: be like, oh, this person is you know, got millions
- 14:12Speaker 1: of fans and making millions of dollars and getting these
- 14:16Speaker 1: big endorsement deals. It's like it's on a different level
- 14:19Speaker 1: when it comes to me, ain't doing Serena right?
- 14:21Speaker 3: And also, it's not your job, really too peep that
- 14:24Speaker 3: it's our job as the men to notice that anyway, right,
- 14:27Speaker 3: it's our job, as the black men, say, hold up.
- 14:29Speaker 3: Every time this type of thing pops up, it's it
- 14:34Speaker 3: gets one of ours, like, what is what is going
- 14:36Speaker 3: on with that? Is that eternal? Is that manufacture? And
- 14:39Speaker 3: so that's us that need to do some investigation. Is
- 14:42Speaker 3: it self hatred? What is it this driving It's that.
- 14:45Speaker 2: No, it's self hatred and it's jealousy. That's it.
- 14:48Speaker 7: I know.
- 14:48Speaker 4: Jealousy is definitely.
- 14:50Speaker 1: Yeah, people are are jealous of what they You ever
- 14:54Speaker 1: saw somebody, you'd be like, you be kind of mad,
- 14:57Speaker 1: like why this person so happy for you, and be
- 15:00Speaker 1: like I'm not happy, and they'd be like, but why
- 15:03Speaker 1: you mad?
- 15:03Speaker 2: Because they are happy. You should be trying to either
- 15:06Speaker 2: you're going to figure out why.
- 15:08Speaker 1: You're not happy and become happy, or you're going to
- 15:09Speaker 1: hate this person because they're happy and then not like
- 15:11Speaker 1: them for no reason. It's more of a self evaluation
- 15:15Speaker 1: type thing. And we live in the world now where
- 15:18Speaker 1: nobody is evaluating themselves.
- 15:19Speaker 2: Everybody want to be perfect. Everybody rich on.
- 15:22Speaker 1: The internet, everybody got money, everybody's scamming, every everybody got
- 15:25Speaker 1: that shit together.
- 15:26Speaker 2: It just to prove it to the next person.
- 15:30Speaker 1: Nine times out of ten, people really don't have their
- 15:33Speaker 1: stuff together, like financially, yes, they don't have cars like
- 15:37Speaker 1: you got girls who got working bags, but working at McDonald's.
- 15:41Speaker 2: Like it's it's so backwards out here.
- 15:44Speaker 4: R exactly.
- 15:45Speaker 3: It's image and you know everything is image. I think
- 15:47Speaker 3: because of social media it is forced, not forced. It
- 15:50Speaker 3: is a sector of our coult just everybody's acting dawn there.
- 15:55Speaker 4: Everybody is an act at this.
- 15:56Speaker 2: Point, you're being real.
- 15:58Speaker 1: They're like, how come you ain't acting too? How come
- 16:00Speaker 1: you still wearing your two ponytails with your hair out?
- 16:03Speaker 1: How come you still putting the putting the Queen.
- 16:05Speaker 2: Of braids in your hair?
- 16:06Speaker 1: Like why you somebody asks me why I don't wear
- 16:08Speaker 1: a wig to the ring? Are you kidding me? You
- 16:12Speaker 1: think you think I care? Do want to have a
- 16:15Speaker 1: nice hairstyle for the ring?
- 16:17Speaker 4: Man?
- 16:17Speaker 2: You let this, these products leak into your eye while
- 16:20Speaker 2: you're fighting, you you would think a girl with your ass.
- 16:24Speaker 3: I think it's more impressive for you to go to
- 16:26Speaker 3: like this too at six what it's time to fight?
- 16:29Speaker 4: You got it's a whole different thing.
- 16:31Speaker 3: I think that's more impressive than trying to super impressive.
- 16:34Speaker 2: But everybody, like everything is about looks. You want to
- 16:37Speaker 2: look good for this person and that person.
- 16:39Speaker 1: I just tell myself, I'm not changing myself for people
- 16:42Speaker 1: who don't like me and who I don't like.
- 16:45Speaker 2: Am I changing myself that?
- 16:46Speaker 3: And also it's like they don't understand it. This is
- 16:49Speaker 3: the work, this is the part of my life. This
- 16:52Speaker 3: is my work, and that's what y'all donna get. Sometimes
- 16:55Speaker 3: you got to take the jurby off. Sometimes you got
- 16:57Speaker 3: to take the cute clothes off and get the work.
- 17:00Speaker 3: So you're watching the go to quote, get to work.
- 17:03Speaker 3: I ain't gonna be pretty, you know what I'm saying.
- 17:06Speaker 3: Outcome will be pretty or money come in.
- 17:08Speaker 1: But but that's why I make my fight week and
- 17:12Speaker 1: a lot of other times my beauty content, my beauty time,
- 17:15Speaker 1: because inside the ring, there's no way to make this
- 17:18Speaker 1: look good. If you don't like fighting, if you don't
- 17:20Speaker 1: like hard punches, if you don't like sweat, you're gonna
- 17:24Speaker 1: see it. And there's no way to make boxing look
- 17:27Speaker 1: cute like I'm not gonna be inside the ring smiling.
- 17:30Speaker 1: I'm in here to seek and destroy.
- 17:33Speaker 4: Do you think endorsements come enough for you?
- 17:39Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
- 17:40Speaker 3: No female boxers struggled with endorsements. Why do you think
- 17:44Speaker 3: that's the man boxer struggled too. The guy spoke to earlier, Tito.
- 17:49Speaker 3: I think he was saying Cornelo had like one hundred
- 17:51Speaker 3: million dollars.
- 17:52Speaker 4: We're talking about Cornelo your superstar level.
- 17:55Speaker 2: He's Mexican.
- 17:57Speaker 4: Okay, these are some of the obstacles though.
- 18:00Speaker 1: Yeah, but with that, when you talk about black boxers
- 18:04Speaker 1: who have big endorsements, Floyd Maywell, the ain't have no
- 18:07Speaker 1: big endorsements, of course, Stevenson.
- 18:13Speaker 2: I think Terrence got with Hugh Blow. But that's right
- 18:16Speaker 2: before you retire. It's not people haven't seen the I
- 18:23Speaker 2: don't know how I think boxers can add today. Bran.
- 18:26Speaker 1: I feel like what I seen Anthony Joshua do with
- 18:28Speaker 1: the endorsements, I haven't seen no other boxer be able
- 18:31Speaker 1: to do in the history of boxing. Like he has
- 18:34Speaker 1: so many endorsements and brand deals, And it was like,
- 18:38Speaker 1: all right, so you want to model after Anthony Joshua.
- 18:41Speaker 1: But then it's like, okay, when you're not going to
- 18:45Speaker 1: jail and you're not smoking, and you're not drinking, and
- 18:47Speaker 1: you're doing community giveaways and you're keeping keeping your energy
- 18:51Speaker 1: in space clean, What else can you do to get endorsements.
- 18:55Speaker 1: It's just like they don't look at women's boxing or
- 18:58Speaker 1: boxing period as that they feel can add to their
- 19:01Speaker 1: brand at the right now. It's like right now it's changing,
- 19:05Speaker 1: But I've added so much to my brand that now
- 19:07Speaker 1: I'm positioning myself to where I can be able to
- 19:10Speaker 1: get the major endorsement.
- 19:12Speaker 2: But it's gonna take more than just boxing and do it.
- 19:14Speaker 1: You think it's just boxing and accolades and greatness, but
- 19:16Speaker 1: it's like, no, you got to have the accolades. You
- 19:19Speaker 1: got to have the clean record, you got to have
- 19:21Speaker 1: the look, you have to have the community work you
- 19:25Speaker 1: have to have. You gotta stop beefing online with people
- 19:29Speaker 1: kind of like take the Ryan Clark lane.
- 19:31Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to figure out way to do that.
- 19:33Speaker 2: But it's like, how are you gonna do that?
- 19:37Speaker 4: Yeah, you drop songs, you but see that helps your brand? Yeah,
- 19:40Speaker 4: that stuff? So how I mean, I.
- 19:42Speaker 3: Don't know how you you wait at because you engage
- 19:46Speaker 3: with the bullshit too.
- 19:48Speaker 4: Like if people call you out, you will say something
- 19:50Speaker 4: back to them.
- 19:51Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You ain't just ducking no smoke.
- 19:53Speaker 3: And I think from fighters to me that is acceptable
- 19:57Speaker 3: from fighters.
- 19:58Speaker 1: Yeah, but I just feel like to like, I feel
- 20:01Speaker 1: like it's not a problem you asked me. It's like, Hey,
- 20:04Speaker 1: if it makes me feel better, I'm gonna do it.
- 20:06Speaker 2: But I also to.
- 20:07Speaker 1: Say that, uh man, what God has for me is
- 20:13Speaker 1: for me. I could care less about an endorsement deal.
- 20:15Speaker 1: I signed an eight dollars deal with Winning Records. I
- 20:18Speaker 1: still I still got my millions. If they want to say.
- 20:21Speaker 2: Oh, what's an eight million dollar deal from.
- 20:23Speaker 1: A from a record label, I don't give a funk
- 20:25Speaker 1: if it was eight mill dollars from a damn bird, right,
- 20:28Speaker 1: it's eight million dollars.
- 20:29Speaker 4: Did the check clip the check clip?
- 20:31Speaker 1: As you can see you see this hair? Yeah, yeah,
- 20:35Speaker 1: you see these clothes all the check the check clear?
- 20:37Speaker 1: He said, I got He said, I got three minisign
- 20:40Speaker 1: for you. Pep called me and said, hey, man, Rue
- 20:43Speaker 1: said he got Man, this is the deal. He said, what,
- 20:46Speaker 1: I'll call you back, Hey, what up.
- 20:51Speaker 8: Me?
- 20:51Speaker 2: And I said okay. So he said what I said,
- 20:55Speaker 2: send the contract over. If if that's the contract, say
- 20:57Speaker 2: all right, send the contract. I send to my lawyer
- 20:59Speaker 2: and my can back and say, yeah, look good. I said,
- 21:01Speaker 2: ship doc. You signed send it back to the room.
- 21:05Speaker 2: Rou said your account.
- 21:10Speaker 9: Yeah right now, Love, though I know you felt good man,
- 21:24Speaker 9: you worked hard for that, do.
- 21:33Speaker 2: Not because not because pat no I said, he said
- 21:35Speaker 2: what they said?
- 21:38Speaker 4: No mo goodness talk less.
- 21:41Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
- 21:43Speaker 4: Did you ever have business with m v P as well?
- 21:46Speaker 1: So when I was a free agent, which was probably
- 21:48Speaker 1: the smartest move that I've done in my boxing career,
- 21:51Speaker 1: I spoke to every boxing promoter there is. Everybody wanted
- 21:56Speaker 1: to sign from m v P through match Room ESPN
- 22:04Speaker 1: to lead the promotions. Everybody wanted to sign me. And
- 22:07Speaker 1: so while I'm doing my negotiation and they send over contracts,
- 22:10Speaker 1: it was like everybody had a million dollars.
- 22:13Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
- 22:14Speaker 1: Everybody had a million, But it was like, man, I
- 22:16Speaker 1: already know fought for a million dollar, y'all still come
- 22:19Speaker 1: with the same deal. Then somebody came at one point one,
- 22:21Speaker 1: I said, that's still one one million taxes. I need
- 22:24Speaker 1: to get my money.
- 22:25Speaker 2: So in my mind, I'm like, I want to fight
- 22:28Speaker 2: for five you know what? For me?
- 22:31Speaker 1: When I was talking to Pep, I'm like, listen, I
- 22:32Speaker 1: want to sign for three million to five million dollars.
- 22:35Speaker 4: A fight.
- 22:36Speaker 2: That's what I want.
- 22:37Speaker 1: So when everybody was sending their contracts and everything was
- 22:39Speaker 1: sending a million, I'm sitting there talking to God, like, God,
- 22:42Speaker 1: I know anybody played me like this, right, not for
- 22:45Speaker 1: everything I didn't been through. I'm like this, it is
- 22:47Speaker 1: not making sense. And then when wearing records came into
- 22:51Speaker 1: the h came into the game, that was it. That
- 22:54Speaker 1: was it for eight million. I don't think nobody has
- 22:58Speaker 1: ever signed for a three mins and I was signing bonus, right, God,
- 23:01Speaker 1: I signed for a million. But you know, I feel
- 23:04Speaker 1: like God was like, they overlooked you the first Olympics,
- 23:07Speaker 1: try to overlook you the second Olympics, and then you
- 23:10Speaker 1: turn pro and you whooped everybody and they tried to
- 23:12Speaker 1: overlook you then like you were fighting the best, but
- 23:14Speaker 1: they wasn't paying you nothing. So God was like, really,
- 23:18Speaker 1: you were supposed to have got a million dollars sign
- 23:19Speaker 1: the bonus for one gold medal, and the million dollars
- 23:21Speaker 1: for another one, and then a million for all the
- 23:23Speaker 1: hard work you put in for the pros.
- 23:26Speaker 2: So when he said three minutsign, I said, that's just
- 23:28Speaker 2: see God know how to he know how to pay
- 23:31Speaker 2: you that.
- 23:31Speaker 4: Right, You know what I'm saying.
- 23:32Speaker 1: I think God's timing is the best time. And I
- 23:35Speaker 1: just thank God that he didn't bless me with no
- 23:38Speaker 1: eight eight million or three mini dollars signing bonus when
- 23:41Speaker 1: I was twenty one.
- 23:42Speaker 2: I'll be broke as a joke right now.
- 23:43Speaker 4: Yeah, you ran through it?
- 23:44Speaker 2: What I didn't know what to tell people? Know everything?
- 23:47Speaker 2: Somebody coming for I need two, I need ten thousand.
- 23:50Speaker 2: I would just send it, send it, send it. I
- 23:53Speaker 2: ain't like that no more?
- 23:54Speaker 4: What made you? What?
- 23:55Speaker 7: What?
- 23:56Speaker 3: I think part of that is us feeling like we
- 23:58Speaker 3: want to be the we want to be the big dog,
- 24:00Speaker 3: We want to take care of it.
- 24:01Speaker 4: What was it for you for me? That's what it is.
- 24:03Speaker 3: It's like, yo, they no dude could take care of
- 24:06Speaker 3: whatever you call him, and he had he whatever going on?
- 24:10Speaker 4: You know, some of it is that. What is it?
- 24:12Speaker 3: What was it for you that was driving that make
- 24:15Speaker 3: yourself available for people like that?
- 24:17Speaker 1: Financially, I just wanted to help people. I don't like
- 24:20Speaker 1: seeing people struggle. I feel like for me, I don't
- 24:25Speaker 1: ask for help unless I really need it, Like I
- 24:28Speaker 1: want nobody to push me in a god damn wheelchair
- 24:31Speaker 1: if something on me is messed up. That's how much
- 24:32Speaker 1: I'd be like, I got it, I'll limp and get around.
- 24:36Speaker 2: I don't want to.
- 24:36Speaker 1: So it's like I feel like I'm not gonna call
- 24:39Speaker 1: you unless I need you. So in a way, back
- 24:42Speaker 1: then I felt that when people was calling me like
- 24:46Speaker 1: I was a last option or own, I was like,
- 24:50Speaker 1: let me help them help themselves. And then when I
- 24:52Speaker 1: realized this is not helping them. These people's crazy.
- 24:55Speaker 2: I ain't gonna ask me for a thousand lolls last.
- 24:57Speaker 1: Month, and then you go to the club and whigs
- 25:01Speaker 1: and party and then come back again and asking me
- 25:03Speaker 1: for a dollar dollars, Like.
- 25:06Speaker 2: Bro, I just saw it. I just saw you at
- 25:08Speaker 2: the club. I just saw you. I just saw you
- 25:11Speaker 2: at strip club and you owe me money. Oh yeah,
- 25:15Speaker 2: but now you ask me for money again. Listen, bro,
- 25:18Speaker 2: make me your last option. Ask everybody you know and
- 25:22Speaker 2: get your money up and then and then come to
- 25:24Speaker 2: me and say, look, I need one hundred dollars. I
- 25:26Speaker 2: got you. Don't come to me with the whole thousand.
- 25:28Speaker 2: I don't got it.
- 25:30Speaker 3: Did the eight million dollar payment feel like a victory
- 25:33Speaker 3: for you or did it feel like late payment? Because
- 25:35Speaker 3: you explained and like I felt like, and also part
- 25:39Speaker 3: two to that question, does it feel like they all
- 25:41Speaker 3: agree to that one million number and like nobody kind
- 25:44Speaker 3: of go above that. We want to kind of stick
- 25:46Speaker 3: her to that number.
- 25:48Speaker 1: Well, women's boxing, they don't make a lot of money,
- 25:51Speaker 1: so me even saying I want to be the first
- 25:53Speaker 1: woman to make a million dollar, they was like oh.
- 25:56Speaker 1: And I remember this guy was working for Showtime who
- 25:59Speaker 1: I'm really really close with, and he caught me around
- 26:03Speaker 1: COVID and he said, we had a meeting.
- 26:04Speaker 2: About you today. I said, what happened? He said, you
- 26:08Speaker 2: know your last fight you made three hundred and fifty K.
- 26:10Speaker 2: I said yeah.
- 26:12Speaker 1: They were saying that that's gonna be the most you
- 26:14Speaker 1: ever gonna make because they ain't going no higher.
- 26:16Speaker 2: I said, well, shit, I guess I won't be fighting
- 26:18Speaker 2: with them no more. And he was like yeah. And
- 26:20Speaker 2: I asked him to the meeting. I said, why, you know,
- 26:22Speaker 2: why shouldn't you shoot for a million dollar? And then
- 26:24Speaker 2: and then and then and then they said he said
- 26:27Speaker 2: to them, well, they said to him that man, ain't
- 26:29Speaker 2: no woman making non million dollars in boxing, And that's
- 26:33Speaker 2: what they said to him. And I said, well, you
- 26:34Speaker 2: know what, I'm gonna stick that right on here, So
- 26:36Speaker 2: I know I ain't dealing with these people right because
- 26:39Speaker 2: they don't they don't see the vision.
- 26:41Speaker 1: People think that their ideas is crazy. It's like, no,
- 26:43Speaker 1: you just around people who don't pee. People don't see
- 26:45Speaker 1: your vision for realit right, people will see your vision.
- 26:48Speaker 1: They be like, Okay, that's one thing I can say
- 26:51Speaker 1: with my with my Homegirl beauty Man, we went out
- 26:55Speaker 1: to do Bay for eight days with Floyd maywe the
- 26:57Speaker 1: Right and it was a vacation because I had just
- 26:59Speaker 1: got my first million, and I remember we watched everything
- 27:03Speaker 1: that was going on and I was like, bro, we
- 27:06Speaker 1: can do this shit. And what we and what we
- 27:10Speaker 1: learned was everything is illusion and perfect exactly like people
- 27:16Speaker 1: who make it to the billionaire status, they pretend to
- 27:20Speaker 1: be billionaires and they pretend to be millionaires before they
- 27:25Speaker 1: get there.
- 27:26Speaker 3: And you know what, it's not necessarily pretending what it
- 27:29Speaker 3: is is. Even in business, they have this thing where
- 27:32Speaker 3: the evaluation process and they multiply, they give you a
- 27:38Speaker 3: multiple of ten, so they kind of pay you up
- 27:41Speaker 3: front for the rate of travel. So like, if my
- 27:43Speaker 3: business made ten million this year, it's really going to
- 27:47Speaker 3: be evaluated at one hundred million dollar business, right, So
- 27:51Speaker 3: that's kind of how they do it, and what you're
- 27:53Speaker 3: saying is correct. But in the business world, I think
- 27:56Speaker 3: that's how they're cloaking it. They're cloaking it behind like
- 28:00Speaker 3: evaluations and net worth and business and corporations and stuff,
- 28:06Speaker 3: and they're inflating their their billionaire status and hoping to
- 28:10Speaker 3: catch up with it. Sometimes the business to catch up
- 28:12Speaker 3: with it, and other times we see it fall apart.
- 28:16Speaker 3: It's boxing your your primary source of income and for
- 28:20Speaker 3: how long will that be the case for you?
- 28:24Speaker 2: Boxing social media.
- 28:30Speaker 3: So you get a bag from social media too, Yes
- 28:32Speaker 3: to the social media bag.
- 28:34Speaker 2: But they always talking about me and I'm just collecting
- 28:36Speaker 2: from one. I get thousands off Snapchat, I get thousands
- 28:39Speaker 2: off YouTube, and I get thousands off Facebook. Y'all want
- 28:42Speaker 2: to keep talking Mommy, y'all gonna have the motherfucking pay
- 28:44Speaker 2: lou to that. Yep.
- 28:46Speaker 1: But when I post them pictures and they be on
- 28:47Speaker 1: the comments, oh blah blah blah blah, pap upstairs and
- 28:51Speaker 1: yep and Claresta has got another dollar, yep, comment whatever
- 28:56Speaker 1: you want.
- 28:58Speaker 4: That poofs upstairs when extremely viral.
- 29:01Speaker 8: Know what I'm make fat Paples is upstairs.
- 29:09Speaker 2: Shut yeah, he upstairs.
- 29:13Speaker 8: So I'm not making a play REQUI I'm gonna take
- 29:15Speaker 8: it to him upstairs.
- 29:17Speaker 2: I make it him.
- 29:20Speaker 8: It was, it was, I feel like Peples don't he
- 29:23Speaker 8: don't eat a whole lot. But I'm put us on
- 29:25Speaker 8: my rest of her because I thought he had an
- 29:26Speaker 8: eight another day.
- 29:31Speaker 2: But come on, I can't. I mean, I guess I
- 29:35Speaker 2: grab booky, booky, thank you better. Paps is upstairs. Now,
- 29:53Speaker 2: I gonna eat, shut out to eat and eat, said,
- 29:56Speaker 2: I eat my food now, But.
- 29:57Speaker 4: Y'all be tracking me over with that.
- 29:59Speaker 2: I started up to take a I said, what is
- 30:00Speaker 2: going on? Oh, y'all know, first of all, I don't
- 30:03Speaker 2: be on tea time.
- 30:05Speaker 1: But my people have to realize that pisces our loaners
- 30:08Speaker 1: and we be in our own space, minded our own business.
- 30:12Speaker 1: First of all, Oh my god, PEP does not. First
- 30:17Speaker 1: of all, when it comes to being on live camera.
- 30:20Speaker 1: First of all, the streaming world is going crazy right now.
- 30:23Speaker 1: They are begging me to come stream. Everybody's stream comes stream.
- 30:26Speaker 1: Stream is live, it's in real time.
- 30:31Speaker 2: Pep, don't play that. PEP don't want you know where
- 30:34Speaker 2: he at? WINNI air how long you their like he
- 30:37Speaker 2: deep different.
- 30:39Speaker 4: He comes from up, he comes from that.
- 30:42Speaker 2: Background, so he like that. He always been saying like
- 30:44Speaker 2: that's not safe. People know where he at. But what
- 30:47Speaker 2: you're doing, I'm just like, I'm giving ship.
- 30:51Speaker 4: Again. That's the man's job.
- 30:53Speaker 2: Like I was just saying about how you thinking, I'm
- 30:55Speaker 2: just doing.
- 30:57Speaker 3: Supposed to be because we know some of what can happened,
- 31:00Speaker 3: some of what may happen, you know, and how people
- 31:03Speaker 3: play and fly close to the sun. So it's his
- 31:05Speaker 3: job to kind of stand in front of that, like,
- 31:06Speaker 3: hold on, that's not as safe as we could be.
- 31:09Speaker 4: My job is to make sure we safe as we
- 31:11Speaker 4: can be.
- 31:13Speaker 2: Always. Like I told you how many arguments we have
- 31:15Speaker 2: about security.
- 31:17Speaker 3: Yeah, y'all got some niggas with you now, niggas shaking
- 31:20Speaker 3: my hands so hard, I said, I don't.
- 31:23Speaker 1: I don't think about security like I think about where
- 31:27Speaker 1: we gotta go.
- 31:30Speaker 4: Proud so hard, I said, I feel you, big bro.
- 31:34Speaker 4: I know I know you're gonna protect something.
- 31:37Speaker 1: I know you know.
- 31:38Speaker 3: Yeah, brother, i know you're gonna protect something.
- 31:41Speaker 4: Said yeah, man.
- 31:43Speaker 1: That's who pass that same with me everywhere.
- 31:47Speaker 4: Yeah, and he ain't. He that's how it's supposed to
- 31:50Speaker 4: be though. I like the energy.
- 31:51Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, because that's how I want
- 31:53Speaker 3: my Why I ain't got a security because nigga too lax,
- 31:57Speaker 3: I might want handle it.
- 31:58Speaker 4: Last time I had.
- 31:58Speaker 3: Security with me, I was with Gilly and wallow on
- 32:01Speaker 3: them man, when they did the Gillyfest.
- 32:03Speaker 4: Uh, it's all us up there. My security is dancing and.
- 32:08Speaker 2: He over no corral whatever.
- 32:13Speaker 5: Then would I tell the baby heart of all Wallo,
- 32:17Speaker 5: hit me my cameraman and my security. They fell into
- 32:21Speaker 5: the oh ship, Wallo, hit me man, your camera guy, man,
- 32:25Speaker 5: he will do what they doing over So, I just
- 32:27Speaker 5: said and we left.
- 32:29Speaker 4: I told him I sent them home. I fired them
- 32:32Speaker 4: boys about that. I literally was upset about that, like
- 32:35Speaker 4: it's a bunch of people in here. We don't know
- 32:37Speaker 4: what's going on.
- 32:38Speaker 3: I mean, Philly and they over there head and the
- 32:41Speaker 3: time of their life to what.
- 32:42Speaker 4: And then it was embarsacle Wallo them gotta come tell me.
- 32:46Speaker 4: So I'm like, damn, so yeah.
- 32:49Speaker 3: So we're at the club, Gilly the kid, Gilly the
- 32:53Speaker 3: Kid does his Gillyfest. I think so this year was
- 32:57Speaker 3: the year that Cheese r P g He's died. And
- 33:00Speaker 3: so Waller called me and wanted me to interview him.
- 33:03Speaker 3: Right after Cheese died. I went up there and interviewed him,
- 33:06Speaker 3: and they wanted me to do the Gilly fits. I
- 33:08Speaker 3: know the Gilly fits, so as we in. Gilly Fitz
- 33:10Speaker 3: is the baby. You know, his first couple of ones.
- 33:13Speaker 2: People you said, somebody hit you, not hit me?
- 33:16Speaker 4: Now, ain't nobody Okay? When I mean hit me, I
- 33:19Speaker 4: mean call me or tell me? Oh ship, Yeah, yeah, yes,
- 33:21Speaker 4: that's my slang. I apologize. Ain't nobody gonna hit me now?
- 33:26Speaker 2: It's not hitting nobody.
- 33:27Speaker 4: Listen there, ain't nobody gonna hit me? Because I thought,
- 33:32Speaker 4: have you before?
- 33:34Speaker 2: I taught him a lot of stuff.
- 33:37Speaker 4: Yeah right, Wallo put some cap on it too. Let
- 33:43Speaker 4: me ask you this.
- 33:44Speaker 3: I seen one time when you fought. You ran into
- 33:46Speaker 3: a gym and wanted to fight a guy and he
- 33:49Speaker 3: slipped and hit you and knocked you down.
- 33:53Speaker 4: Oh why why would you do that?
- 33:58Speaker 2: That's man?
- 33:59Speaker 4: Okay, what happened? Correct me?
- 34:02Speaker 2: Yeah? I spark guys all the time.
- 34:05Speaker 4: I want to know why that's really my I want
- 34:07Speaker 4: to know why is that to do?
- 34:08Speaker 2: Because that's how I grew up being in Flint, Michigan.
- 34:11Speaker 2: I sparred, you know, guys as big as that guy.
- 34:13Speaker 4: Who here you should today, Oh my goodness.
- 34:16Speaker 1: So but the thing is my boxing coach at the gym.
- 34:21Speaker 1: You have to realize, I won Olympic gold medal at
- 34:23Speaker 1: the age of seventeen.
- 34:24Speaker 2: I was still a kid. I'm fighting against women who
- 34:27Speaker 2: are thirty four, twenty five, thirty.
- 34:32Speaker 1: These girls were much stronger than me, much bigger than me.
- 34:35Speaker 1: I just knew how to box and how to fight,
- 34:36Speaker 1: and I learned that from being in the gym with
- 34:39Speaker 1: the guys. I mean, from the time I was eleven
- 34:43Speaker 1: years old, I sparred.
- 34:48Speaker 2: Forty fifty guys.
- 34:49Speaker 1: By the time I was seventeen, eighteen years old, I've
- 34:51Speaker 1: never sparred against nothing else. I can kind of my
- 34:54Speaker 1: hand how many girls I spared, Probably like seven eight.
- 34:58Speaker 1: I haven't sparred that many girls even now being thirty one.
- 35:01Speaker 1: So out of twenty years I spar men. Now this
- 35:06Speaker 1: sparing you talking about with this guy, guy that dropped me.
- 35:10Speaker 1: He took the pad out his gloves.
- 35:12Speaker 2: What why? Because I whooped his ass the week before.
- 35:15Speaker 2: It had nothing to do with nothing else.
- 35:17Speaker 1: And this guy was from like Russia or somewhere, and
- 35:20Speaker 1: they had this thing where women are inferior to them,
- 35:23Speaker 1: like we.
- 35:24Speaker 2: Are less and then I'm the last.
- 35:27Speaker 1: No. But but you see, they celebrate this bullshit online
- 35:31Speaker 1: and want to laugh about it. But this happened back
- 35:33Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, when it's happened. So when I pieced
- 35:38Speaker 1: this guy up, he also was sparing against a guy
- 35:41Speaker 1: named Harold Cadero. Now I sparred both of them. I
- 35:45Speaker 1: sparred him four rounds. He dropped me in the third round,
- 35:49Speaker 1: got back up, sparred him again for the fourth round,
- 35:53Speaker 1: and then I sparred Harold four rounds. So I went
- 35:55Speaker 1: eight rounds that whole day. I didn't get knocked out.
- 35:57Speaker 1: I got dropped. Now as we get done sparing, now
- 36:01Speaker 1: the guy that dropped me is sparring Harold. As soon
- 36:04Speaker 1: as he punted Harold, Harold said, man, what's wrong with
- 36:07Speaker 1: your gloves? You wasn't punching like that last week because
- 36:09Speaker 1: all of us sparred the week before. So now after
- 36:14Speaker 1: the sparing, because I won, this is my first time
- 36:16Speaker 1: ever in my life being dropped.
- 36:18Speaker 4: I know it every I know that I'm a fan
- 36:21Speaker 4: of yours. I've never seen it.
- 36:23Speaker 1: So I'm saying so now that it's all so when
- 36:25Speaker 1: he First of all, he bringing it up now or
- 36:27Speaker 1: he posting it now? Nigga, that happened in twenty eighteen.
- 36:31Speaker 1: You talk, you talking about when I was a three
- 36:33Speaker 1: time world champion. I got nineteen world champions of ships
- 36:37Speaker 1: now and now you're posting this like it's weird clock.
- 36:40Speaker 1: But the thing that I that I found funny was
- 36:45Speaker 1: people tried to make it seem like, oh, this is
- 36:48Speaker 1: the time for us to try to attack her now,
- 36:50Speaker 1: like like I'm gonna feel bad for getting knocked down
- 36:53Speaker 1: by a dude. It was like a bitch can't do it.
- 36:57Speaker 1: Ain't nobody gonna do it inside the ring. It's not
- 37:00Speaker 1: no other guy who can say that.
- 37:02Speaker 4: But I don't like it. I didn't like to see it.
- 37:04Speaker 3: And the reason I'm speaking about getting that black man
- 37:07Speaker 3: shit is kicking in on me is this. I still
- 37:09Speaker 3: viewed you like a black woman. You still like my family,
- 37:13Speaker 3: your extension of us. Yeah, I could you you want ours?
- 37:17Speaker 3: You're telling me some nigga took pack some guy to
- 37:20Speaker 3: pain out of his glove.
- 37:22Speaker 2: But that's exactly what happened. And listen, I me sparring
- 37:26Speaker 2: against men. I don't drop me in. I don't black
- 37:28Speaker 2: eyes and busted lips and broke ribs. I ain't.
- 37:31Speaker 1: I don't got to make an excuse about how I
- 37:34Speaker 1: got dropped. First of all, people getting dropped and knocked
- 37:37Speaker 1: out and spring all the time. It's practice, that's what
- 37:40Speaker 1: you're practicing not to happen. But if it happens, it happens.
- 37:43Speaker 1: My thing is this bro nigga. We got proof like
- 37:50Speaker 1: Herold was there, oh so so with the glove after
- 37:55Speaker 1: he got done sparring Herold, because I was so confused
- 37:58Speaker 1: about how I got dropped. It's not that that I'm like, oh,
- 38:01Speaker 1: I could never be dropped, because it was like anybody
- 38:03Speaker 1: can get dropped. But I was just like by him, right,
- 38:07Speaker 1: like nah, I done been hit where I couldn't choose
- 38:09Speaker 1: for three days, not by him. So after him and
- 38:11Speaker 1: hero got done sparring, I walked up to the little
- 38:14Speaker 1: dude and I shook his I shook his hand and
- 38:16Speaker 1: I said thank you.
- 38:17Speaker 2: For the work. And when I grabbed his glove, it
- 38:19Speaker 2: had no pattent. So I caught my coach over there,
- 38:22Speaker 2: Coach John. I said, man, look at this coach.
- 38:25Speaker 1: Come over there, grab a glove and say, man, she's
- 38:27Speaker 1: the girl. Man, I always do that so then his
- 38:29Speaker 1: coach runs over there and he says, oh, these gloves
- 38:33Speaker 1: were given to me by Roberto Duran and then he
- 38:36Speaker 1: takes the gloves off the guy and stuff.
- 38:38Speaker 2: Him in the bag.
- 38:39Speaker 4: This is crazy.
- 38:40Speaker 2: So that's what happened. And the thing is we're talking
- 38:43Speaker 2: about twenty eighteen.
- 38:45Speaker 4: Were talked about a man first of all.
- 38:47Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're talking about but twenty eighteen is like
- 38:49Speaker 2: bro back then, I had a world championship fight against
- 38:54Speaker 2: Hannah Garybles not even two weeks later, and I got
- 38:56Speaker 2: dropped first round that fight. That's my second time ever
- 38:59Speaker 2: being dropped, my second and only time.
- 39:02Speaker 1: So it was like, okay, maybe mentally like that was
- 39:04Speaker 1: playing in my mind or whatever, but I will say
- 39:08Speaker 1: that for that, for all that to happen and me
- 39:12Speaker 1: still to be where I am, it's like I didn't.
- 39:14Speaker 2: Even talk about the whole thing forever. I never said
- 39:17Speaker 2: nothing about it.
- 39:19Speaker 1: But this dude was holding on to this footage like, oh,
- 39:22Speaker 1: I just can't wait to post it, and he posted
- 39:25Speaker 1: it and made himself look dumb.
- 39:27Speaker 3: Nah, I don't respect it. I'll respect it at all.
- 39:30Speaker 3: I don't respect it, not even a little bit. Did
- 39:32Speaker 3: the boxing world is he ostracized people. How do people
- 39:36Speaker 3: view him? And I don't want to know it's name.
- 39:39Speaker 7: Here.
- 39:39Speaker 1: I ain't know what he got coming to him. Rowley
- 39:42Speaker 1: knocked him out in the fight already, okay, And I
- 39:46Speaker 1: told little fake ass, thank you job and thank you
- 39:49Speaker 1: for beating him up because he's a cheats. But everybody
- 39:53Speaker 1: know his little face. So if he tried to come
- 39:55Speaker 1: around or you try to spur people, everybody, no one
- 39:57Speaker 1: watch out for his gloves and two be the askt.
- 40:01Speaker 3: Let's talk about punch resistance a little bit, because that's
- 40:04Speaker 3: another thing that I was worried. I'm kind of worried about.
- 40:06Speaker 3: When you spa with these men, it's like, no, women
- 40:10Speaker 3: can't mess with you. And I want to say that
- 40:13Speaker 3: because I'm looking at Anthony Joshua yesterday or the last
- 40:15Speaker 3: week with his fight, and it felt like he was
- 40:17Speaker 3: going down kind of easily, like he's lost some of
- 40:20Speaker 3: his punch resistance.
- 40:22Speaker 4: You don't think about that when you spar.
- 40:24Speaker 2: I got way better defense than Joshua. But that's what
- 40:28Speaker 2: it's about. I don't I don't go power for power
- 40:31Speaker 2: with these guys.
- 40:32Speaker 1: Like paf Pass seen me spar against the men and
- 40:34Speaker 1: he know that's not the game that I play, right,
- 40:37Speaker 1: I don't like you.
- 40:38Speaker 4: I don't like I.
- 40:39Speaker 1: Cannot say do I like getting hit in the face?
- 40:42Speaker 1: I would say I don't get hit clean. I don't
- 40:45Speaker 1: like getting hit flushed. So what I rolling catching?
- 40:50Speaker 2: You're not gonna like. If you can catch me with
- 40:52Speaker 2: like a like a clean shot, you earned it.
- 40:55Speaker 1: So I'm not taking a lot of punishment like people think,
- 40:59Speaker 1: even with faring against the men, that's.
- 41:01Speaker 3: That's not that okay, all right, So do you think
- 41:04Speaker 3: Anthony Joshua has lost any of his punch resistance?
- 41:08Speaker 1: I mean, Anthony Joshua is one of the heavyweights who's
- 41:10Speaker 1: fought the best heavyweight fights in the world. So I
- 41:15Speaker 1: think we all have a time limit to be fighters,
- 41:20Speaker 1: and it's all of our job as fighters.
- 41:22Speaker 2: To recognize when it is. But I don't. I mean,
- 41:25Speaker 2: he's it's not like he just started getting dropped. He
- 41:27Speaker 2: ben got dropped before. But I'm saying, like, I don't
- 41:30Speaker 2: think it's I don't. I don't know about.
- 41:31Speaker 1: Believe in this whole punch resistance thing. Keep your chin down,
- 41:35Speaker 1: keep your hands up is the game that I'll live by.
- 41:37Speaker 4: So you don't think that you could, Yeah, that's a
- 41:39Speaker 4: great game.
- 41:40Speaker 3: Let's acknowledge that that's a good game. Yeah, I acknowledge that.
- 41:43Speaker 3: But but I do think that I do think that
- 41:46Speaker 3: there is something to be said about your chin going.
- 41:49Speaker 3: I think your chin can go.
- 41:51Speaker 2: Ship mine ain't went.
- 41:52Speaker 4: Not yours. But I'm saying I think I think it's
- 41:55Speaker 4: in boxing. It's like I've seen people.
- 41:58Speaker 2: Get hit and get hit and get hit.
- 42:01Speaker 7: Yes, but.
- 42:04Speaker 2: You only have certain fighters who are like that ar
- 42:08Speaker 2: and have a war everything. Yeah, I don't be having
- 42:10Speaker 2: no wars.
- 42:11Speaker 4: I go in here and just one the last when
- 42:12Speaker 4: I seen some war though, I seen you. You was
- 42:15Speaker 4: in there mixing with the big girl.
- 42:17Speaker 10: Was it?
- 42:18Speaker 2: Daniel Perker is a franchion cruise.
- 42:20Speaker 4: Franchion cruise.
- 42:21Speaker 2: I was whopping that as you was in the mixing
- 42:23Speaker 2: and blending. I said, I said, goodness, y'all, liter what
- 42:29Speaker 2: was that?
- 42:29Speaker 4: I felt like y'all had love for each other. Y'all
- 42:33Speaker 4: even embraced each other in the ring.
- 42:54Speaker 1: Still gonna do y.
- 42:58Speaker 2: We gave them what they wanted there now.
- 43:07Speaker 3: You got there. Yeah, even embraced each other in the ring.
- 43:17Speaker 3: But then she like went to the corner and changed
- 43:19Speaker 3: her mind or something.
- 43:20Speaker 4: What was up with that. Hmmm.
- 43:25Speaker 1: I would say with Franchion, I never thought we would
- 43:28Speaker 1: be in this space that when because I've been doing
- 43:30Speaker 1: since I was fifteen, you know what I'm saying. And
- 43:32Speaker 1: when I came around, she was right number one, number
- 43:35Speaker 1: one in a country and number.
- 43:36Speaker 2: Two in the world. So to see that, I think
- 43:43Speaker 2: it was a thing of like.
- 43:46Speaker 1: Like a a little deep resentment that she had for
- 43:49Speaker 1: me that I didn't know. I always felt like, I
- 43:51Speaker 1: feel like, if we're in a fight and you beat me,
- 43:56Speaker 1: I have to respect it. And I'll bet Franchion four
- 44:00Speaker 1: or five times.
- 44:01Speaker 4: Now.
- 44:02Speaker 1: I took her dream from her going to Olympics. When
- 44:05Speaker 1: she was right number one, I was ring number seven,
- 44:06Speaker 1: So I thole her dream back then. Yes, and then
- 44:09Speaker 1: we got ready to go to the Olympics again, I
- 44:11Speaker 1: saw her jam again and then we turned pro our
- 44:14Speaker 1: pro debuts and I told her as not to fight,
- 44:16Speaker 1: and she didn't listen. And then I took her oh
- 44:19Speaker 1: and made her be a not undefeated fighter. And then
- 44:23Speaker 1: now we fight on this big platform and she get him.
- 44:28Speaker 1: I fought to make sure she got paid some good money.
- 44:32Speaker 4: I was just gonna say that even with the even
- 44:34Speaker 4: with the history, you sharing the stage with somebody. At
- 44:37Speaker 4: this point, sharing a ring with someone is an opportunity given.
- 44:41Speaker 4: That's like love being given from a female.
- 44:43Speaker 2: Nobody wanted to Nobody wanted us to fight. Why want?
- 44:47Speaker 1: It was a risky fight to take because Frank Shawn
- 44:49Speaker 1: does have a she got a punch if you let
- 44:51Speaker 1: her land on you. But then it was just like
- 44:54Speaker 1: nobody likes her fighting style. They're like, oh, she's too
- 44:56Speaker 1: sloppy in And the thing is, though she gets the upsets,
- 44:59Speaker 1: though she against good fighters, and she get the upsets
- 45:01Speaker 1: and she wins. So that was like Chris willimits fire
- 45:03Speaker 1: and I was like, man, put my homegirl in a ring.
- 45:06Speaker 2: Man a pair some money, Like, let's do it. And
- 45:09Speaker 2: we fought in front of eighteen thousand live.
- 45:14Speaker 4: Watched. It was so dupe.
- 45:16Speaker 2: That was crazy, the whole fight. And I will say
- 45:19Speaker 2: that she came and she tried.
- 45:21Speaker 1: But I thought I thought she was a person that
- 45:25Speaker 1: was like, you know, we'd grow old and have our
- 45:27Speaker 1: own podcast together and some shit. But it's like now
- 45:31Speaker 1: I just see like a lot of like jealousy and
- 45:33Speaker 1: hate and resentment from her that I don't have for her,
- 45:37Speaker 1: but she has it for me. So it's like you
- 45:39Speaker 1: can't change people feel about you.
- 45:40Speaker 2: It's like it is what it is.
- 45:42Speaker 4: Is it from a professional standpoint though?
- 45:44Speaker 7: Did it?
- 45:45Speaker 4: Is it personal?
- 45:47Speaker 2: I gave it a run down. I think it's something
- 45:49Speaker 2: that's like that was.
- 45:50Speaker 3: All professional, though, but it felt like when I watched
- 45:52Speaker 3: you two interact, it felt like some of hers bled
- 45:55Speaker 3: into some personal It wasn't just about the fights and
- 46:00Speaker 3: the boxing.
- 46:01Speaker 1: Uh, you know, in a little in a way, I
- 46:04Speaker 1: feel like she has to put on this I'm the
- 46:06Speaker 1: toughest and meanness, and I'm the roughest girl for her husband. Okay,
- 46:11Speaker 1: and I don't have to put on that row. Everybody
- 46:14Speaker 1: know I'm extremely dangerous. Yeah, and I have to keep
- 46:17Speaker 1: myself from being that way. Like people know when I
- 46:20Speaker 1: turn on, it's gonna take more impact to keep me
- 46:23Speaker 1: from whooping somebody ass like, better you better have security,
- 46:27Speaker 1: You better have somebody in between us. Because once I
- 46:30Speaker 1: decide that's where I'm.
- 46:32Speaker 2: Taking it to, that's what I'm taking too. So I
- 46:34Speaker 2: try not to do that. And so I think that
- 46:37Speaker 2: what happened was at the way end all brought that
- 46:40Speaker 2: broke out.
- 46:41Speaker 7: Yeah, it's going down tomorrow night Little Caesar's Arena, the
- 46:47Speaker 7: undisputed Women's Heavyweight Championship of the World. It's all being
- 46:57Speaker 7: brought to you by It's the Leader Promotions and Win
- 47:01Speaker 7: Records in association with three one three Presents and sponsored
- 47:06Speaker 7: by zeus Bet online only fans and select.
- 47:38Speaker 2: What happened.
- 47:43Speaker 4: Doesn't know based off and I was.
- 47:52Speaker 10: That's why I'm pushing, But I'm not PUSH's.
- 47:59Speaker 4: Strong, too strong.
- 48:02Speaker 7: To fight.
- 48:04Speaker 10: She walt might have had three fifty this morning and
- 48:06Speaker 10: said that I was taking my b's and I'm on PD.
- 48:08Speaker 10: She Margaret Goodman last night. Margaret Goodman called me this morning.
- 48:13Speaker 10: I just send her a video like I've never gotten
- 48:14Speaker 10: a IV. I know that it's illegal, and like the
- 48:17Speaker 10: state of Michigan, I don't know ib's and PD. She's
- 48:19Speaker 10: putting PD's on my name, IV's.
- 48:22Speaker 4: On my name store and then.
- 48:23Speaker 2: Now up to get out no reason like friend John,
- 48:29Speaker 2: and her character is fight crazy. He was like one,
- 48:32Speaker 2: she done a hell from running to the fight. I
- 48:34Speaker 2: would never do that. I don't care.
- 48:37Speaker 4: I'm just not going to put you in it that
- 48:39Speaker 4: puts you.
- 48:40Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not doing that because I'm fighting for too
- 48:42Speaker 2: much money and too many fans coming to you feel me,
- 48:46Speaker 2: But in a way.
- 48:48Speaker 1: You know, I came to the six pack and me
- 48:50Speaker 1: and I mean, I came to the way in and
- 48:53Speaker 1: I got the six pack and and me and Pap
- 48:55Speaker 1: got the match of green on and we looking fly.
- 48:58Speaker 1: We're looking good, and she just and they're just like
- 49:01Speaker 1: it's like it's like you kind of like existing. You
- 49:03Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, You just there. I feel like
- 49:06Speaker 1: she felt she felt small, but it wasn't my intention.
- 49:10Speaker 1: But that's what I do every fight, Like when it's
- 49:12Speaker 1: my fight week man, you might call you might call
- 49:15Speaker 1: me Beyonce. I'm stepping every time like Beyonce, and this
- 49:19Speaker 1: bitch about down everywhere I go. Can I get my
- 49:23Speaker 1: shoes put on? You, put my jack, put my jacket on,
- 49:26Speaker 1: mouth piece when it's fight a week and get the
- 49:29Speaker 1: fuck out the way.
- 49:30Speaker 2: That's how I am.
- 49:31Speaker 1: So I feel like me being that way. And she
- 49:35Speaker 1: used me being like her little sister, and I care
- 49:37Speaker 1: her to her, I help her, I'm there for her.
- 49:40Speaker 2: Now it's like it's me versus you. So I got
- 49:43Speaker 2: to show you. This is this is how Beyonce. Do
- 49:46Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying?
- 49:48Speaker 4: Now, you definitely put on you put on for Flint
- 49:50Speaker 4: as well.
- 49:51Speaker 2: All the time I carry Flint on my back.
- 49:53Speaker 4: They love you up there, I would imagine.
- 49:55Speaker 2: Oh, Flint, of course, I'm Flint's favorite daughter.
- 49:58Speaker 3: How do you feel about someone of the love you
- 50:00Speaker 3: from up there? I imagine, like what you've done, any
- 50:03Speaker 3: city state would be proud of if you come from there.
- 50:05Speaker 4: Like I say, you broke a lot of barriers. Do
- 50:08Speaker 4: you think you get enough love?
- 50:09Speaker 2: Do you?
- 50:10Speaker 4: The city loves you, they open, roll out the red carpet.
- 50:12Speaker 4: How do they feel about you?
- 50:13Speaker 2: I always say every recD haters.
- 50:16Speaker 1: But when I think of just Flint as a whole community,
- 50:19Speaker 1: I'm loved by ninety five percent of the people, ninety people.
- 50:24Speaker 1: I'm loved by everybody, just like they love me, they
- 50:27Speaker 1: appreciate me. I wear my hair blue when I fight
- 50:31Speaker 1: to represent the water crisis that's still ongoing in Fleming.
- 50:34Speaker 3: Shit, yeah, let's give a little least some time to that,
- 50:38Speaker 3: the water crisis. I know you've spoke out about that
- 50:41Speaker 3: a lot. You do your ritual with the blue hair
- 50:43Speaker 3: to let people know, raise awareness people are suffering in Flint.
- 50:47Speaker 3: How can people help? How can they raise awareness? What
- 50:51Speaker 3: can they do to support people in Flint? And why
- 50:53Speaker 3: is it still going on in America.
- 50:55Speaker 1: All the pipes in Flint have not been fixed to
- 50:58Speaker 1: help with the dirty water. And then people that want
- 51:02Speaker 1: to help, I would just say, get those buses or
- 51:05Speaker 1: whatever and keep sending water to the churches, because the
- 51:08Speaker 1: churches give out water every weekend. Find you a foundation
- 51:13Speaker 1: who gives out the water to the people that needs it.
- 51:17Speaker 1: But that's really about it. But even with the water crisis,
- 51:20Speaker 1: Flint is still a very resilient city. Everybody's still around
- 51:24Speaker 1: there wearing Gucci and Fasachi and you know, popping out
- 51:26Speaker 1: how they popping right, water stopping.
- 51:30Speaker 4: But do you what is the government saying to the
- 51:33Speaker 4: people of Flint, Like it's been years of.
- 51:35Speaker 2: This, Like what they are I guess they are fixing one,
- 51:39Speaker 2: one house pipes at a time. I have no freaking idea.
- 51:44Speaker 2: But it affected a whole area.
- 51:46Speaker 1: So it's like, do you make where do you put
- 51:48Speaker 1: those people that got the bad water at while you
- 51:51Speaker 1: fix their pipes?
- 51:53Speaker 2: Like where do they live?
- 51:55Speaker 4: Got move them around?
- 51:56Speaker 2: And are they willing to leave for that? So it's
- 52:00Speaker 2: like it's it's a sticky situation.
- 52:04Speaker 3: Well, I definitely appreciate you coming by. You got a
- 52:07Speaker 3: lot more interviews to do. So we gotta get you
- 52:09Speaker 3: out of here.
- 52:10Speaker 4: Yes they are. They told me I will be at
- 52:12Speaker 4: the fight, so hopefully I'll be at the fight. See
- 52:14Speaker 4: you at the fight.
- 52:14Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'll pull up everybody. August fifteen. August fifteen,
- 52:18Speaker 2: me versus Case Scott. Yes, she's a two time world champion.
- 52:23Speaker 2: Yes you know, I'm ninety nine world champion. But get
- 52:27Speaker 2: your tickets on Ticketmaster. It's gonna be a really good fight.
- 52:30Speaker 2: From what I'm hearing. She comes to the fight like
- 52:32Speaker 2: Drago and I'm Apollo. So let's make it out.
- 52:35Speaker 4: Before we go.
- 52:36Speaker 3: One more question, what is the fight that Clarissa Shields
- 52:39Speaker 3: must have that she wants right now after this fight?
- 52:44Speaker 2: It would have to be Lauren Price or MICHAELA Mayor.
- 52:47Speaker 2: Lauren Price is an Olympic Goald mail list from London.
- 52:51Speaker 2: There has never been Olympic.
- 52:52Speaker 1: Gold mellist versus Olympic Gold melists in women's boxing fight
- 52:55Speaker 1: each other, So I'll let's do that. She already agreed
- 52:57Speaker 1: to the to the way class at one sixty fighting,
- 53:00Speaker 1: so I want to do that, and then MICHAELA Mayor.
- 53:03Speaker 2: She doesn't have those accolades, but right now she's looking
- 53:08Speaker 2: really good in like the girls who she's beating, and
- 53:10Speaker 2: she's fighting at one fifty four now, so she's close
- 53:13Speaker 2: to one sixty and we can make it happen at
- 53:15Speaker 2: one sixty two.
- 53:17Speaker 4: Well, I definitely appreciate you, good luck on your fight,
- 53:19Speaker 4: and thank you so much for coming by.
- 53:20Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for I appreciate you, all right,