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Speaker 1: Soon.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Ozone podcast with Jaguars senior writer John Osher.
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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome into this week's off season O Zone podcast,
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Speaker 2: and I'm joined and I guess what is a routine now?
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Speaker 2: By Kay Stevens. I appreciate you doing that. In the
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Speaker 2: next yes, Uh, this is I guess the third or
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Speaker 2: fourth version we've done where we sort of talk off
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Speaker 2: the top. Our guests today or UH will be offensive
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Speaker 2: coordinator Grant Yedinsky, who iways look forward to talking to
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Speaker 2: UH as with camp last year. I think this will
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Speaker 2: be the last time I talked to Grant for an
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Speaker 2: ozone podcast. I get pretty busy well, and I think
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Speaker 2: they'll both be head coaches next year, which we talked
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Speaker 2: about a little in the interview. But before we get
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Speaker 2: to Grant, UH, we'll do our six hot minutes, three
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Speaker 2: cold takes. My takes will be cold and Kai's will
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Speaker 2: be hot.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 2: The first one is rookie Minichamp All all defer to
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Speaker 2: you to start because I get very little out of
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Speaker 2: a community camp. I'm not smart enough, I guess, to
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Speaker 2: get anything out of it. What were your impressions?
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Speaker 3: I don't know if I have a hot take in
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Speaker 3: regards to her community camp, but it was humid.
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Speaker 2: It was humid.
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Speaker 3: I think for us we always discuss this a little bit.
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Speaker 3: It's hard to tell good from great, but you can
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Speaker 3: tell when it's wrong, right. You can tell when the
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Speaker 3: drills aren't going well, when people you know aren't really
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Speaker 3: picking things up. It went really smoothly and went quickly.
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Speaker 3: It seemed efficient. They seemed to be understanding of the system.
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Speaker 3: Joey Aguilar, the quarterback they brought in from out of Tennessee,
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Speaker 3: was very efficient with how he ran the offensive drills,
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Speaker 3: and I felt like everything looked good on paper, which
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Speaker 3: is kind of all you can do with the stage.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh. I think the talking points have been
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Speaker 2: the tight ends borchature and cozy look fine. Yeah, they
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Speaker 2: looked apart. They're big, catching looked easy to them. Pregnant
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Speaker 2: looked very big, which you expected. Those guys all spoke,
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Speaker 2: so we're talking about a little more. Albert Regis I
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Speaker 2: thought looked big the same deal. Jamari Taylor, the running
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Speaker 2: back from Virginia, has generated a little heat in terms
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Speaker 2: of being able to possibly make the team, meaning heat
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Speaker 2: from us observing. I haven't heard. What's interesting is coaches
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Speaker 2: and gms tend to really pull back from trying to
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Speaker 2: analyze this time of year, and I think smartly, because
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Speaker 2: you don't want things that happen in shorts to cloud
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Speaker 2: your thinking going into it. What matters is what happens
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Speaker 2: a little bit no ta's but really training camps. So
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Speaker 2: experience tells these guys don't fall in love with a
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Speaker 2: guy on May tenth, because you may break your heart
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Speaker 2: when the pads go on.
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Speaker 3: It's baby steps right now, it's like pick it up
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Speaker 3: as it goes along, and then we'll see what you
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Speaker 3: look like in August.
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Speaker 2: But I thought it was significant that Aglar looked as
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Speaker 2: good as he did. I don't necessarily know that he's
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Speaker 2: going to push Nick Mullins out of the backup job
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Speaker 2: this year. I think it's a hard pull for a
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Speaker 2: rookie to do that to a veteran backup deep in
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Speaker 2: his career. But I know when you have a quarterback
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Speaker 2: like Trevor, you want over the long run to have
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Speaker 2: a long term back up behind him, and kuld Aglar
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Speaker 2: develop into that at some point way early, but it's
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Speaker 2: not out of the question.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think just the way he has a physical
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Speaker 3: trace to do it, It'll be whether he's able to
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Speaker 3: pick up Liam's system quickly and get comfortable with it.
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Speaker 3: I think that's what they would need to see quickly
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Speaker 3: to feel comfortable moving him up. Maybe do a QB two.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that'd be hard as a rookie free
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Speaker 2: agent because I think these guys, meaning the regime that
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Speaker 2: runs this team now, I think they really value the
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Speaker 2: knowledge in that they maybe value the head over the
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Speaker 2: body as a backup quarterback right now. So the second thing,
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Speaker 2: I schedule release Kai Yes Thursday. On Thursday, I have
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Speaker 2: just come to find out that Thanksgiving is off the table.
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Speaker 3: John was informed he gets to stay.
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Speaker 2: Also, I fell asleep early on the night that it
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Speaker 2: was done, but I learned that live on the air
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Speaker 2: on Jaguars AM. So I'll take the l on that one.
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Speaker 2: What are we looking for? I mean it's mainly primetime games.
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Speaker 2: Coaches want to get an idea of the schedule. But
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Speaker 2: what will you look for on Thursday?
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Speaker 3: I think what's going to be interesting is I think
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Speaker 3: with we do know they're playing two in London, I
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Speaker 3: think at this point, so there will be only six
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Speaker 3: games in Jacksonville, So what the pacing of that is
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Speaker 3: going to be is interesting to me because there could
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Speaker 3: be good chunks of time where they're not in they're
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Speaker 3: playing here in Jacksonville, which obviously gives them time to
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Speaker 3: work in the stadium it's by design, but there could
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Speaker 3: be some long road trips in there, and even those
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Speaker 3: ones in London are home, so they could be you know,
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Speaker 3: bracketed with away games. So for me, it's what that's
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Speaker 3: going to look like in terms of travel schedules, because
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Speaker 3: it can get daunting towards the end of the year
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Speaker 3: and there's a lot of cold weather places that could
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Speaker 3: be that are away games this year. So we know
5:14
Speaker 3: these Florida guys, Florida people we are. Now if we
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Speaker 3: can avoid some of the snow, that's probably for the best.
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Speaker 3: But I liked last year they had a lot of
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Speaker 3: divisional games at the end to kind of help themselves
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Speaker 3: out if need be. And if they can have that again,
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Speaker 3: that's always good to control your own destiny.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And my sense is there will be large swaths
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Speaker 2: of time whether they or not here. That's sort of
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Speaker 2: the nature of the two games in London. It's hard
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Speaker 2: to have a home heavy stretch during that time because
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Speaker 2: there's no way you're going to be home. I guess
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Speaker 2: I don't worry about that. And when it happens, that
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Speaker 2: will be the theme the next day in the ozone
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Speaker 2: mail bag. People will be very worried. I don't worry
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Speaker 2: about that as much my experience. I think this team's good.
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Speaker 2: I think they're going to be good. You were around
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Speaker 2: a lot of Patriots teams or followed a lot of
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Speaker 2: Patriots teams that were good. Did you ever worry about
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Speaker 2: them going on the road. Of course, not so, I mean,
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Speaker 2: and my point is, if you're a good team, and
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Speaker 2: this team was good last year, road didn't bother them.
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Speaker 2: Last year it was to Cincinnati early. They lost in
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Speaker 2: London to the Rams. I'm not sure they would beat
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Speaker 2: in the Rams wherever they played. So I think this
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Speaker 2: is a good team. Bad teams struggle on the road,
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Speaker 2: you know why, because they struggle everywhere. So I don't
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Speaker 2: necessarily worry about this team having to play on the
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Speaker 2: road that much.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they There's always some tough spots for
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Speaker 3: certain teams. You know, Mile High's very hard to play
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Speaker 3: because you know the environment.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, this team was a good team. They played
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Speaker 2: amazing and handled.
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Speaker 3: It absolutely, got ahead early and didn't let the crowd
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Speaker 3: get into it, and that's the best way you can
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Speaker 3: play out there. So they and you know, go on
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Speaker 3: the road in San Francisco that was a huge win
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Speaker 3: early in the season. So they've gone on the road
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Speaker 3: gotten big wins. I think there's certainly capable, just I
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Speaker 3: know it can get tiring, you know, when you're traveling
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Speaker 3: that much.
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Speaker 2: It's a deal they have to face. So the last
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Speaker 2: thing Liam talked about after practice on Saturday about the
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Speaker 2: continuity and the veterans being able to be role models
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Speaker 2: if you will, to be able to help shape the culture,
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Speaker 2: if you will. We talked about it on AM some
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Speaker 2: this week. I think that's a very important story that
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Speaker 2: will be hard for us to quantify as we're talking
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Speaker 2: about it, because how do you really quantify to the
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Speaker 2: reader or the viewer. Well, they look like everything's more experienced.
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Speaker 2: But I think that's definitely a huge storyline this year
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Speaker 2: going in how much this team should be able to
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Speaker 2: rely on not having to learn or relearn the wheel
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Speaker 2: every time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they want the system to kind.
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Speaker 2: Of wheel you relearn.
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Speaker 3: They want this system to kind of be able to
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Speaker 3: you know, self propel itself, teach themselves and not a
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Speaker 3: knock at all. And last year, I think we're used
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Speaker 3: to a lot of change around here just because of
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Speaker 3: the coaching situation the past couple of seasons, but they
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Speaker 3: were putting a lot of stuff into place. Things didn't
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Speaker 3: look smooth all the time. Last year there was a
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Speaker 3: lot of practices even in training camp where you were like, uh,
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Speaker 3: this is this doesn't look quite right, or even the
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Speaker 3: penalties early in the season. They had to work out
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Speaker 3: a lot of the kinks. The way Roocky Minnie camp
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Speaker 3: was run. Everybody knew their role, everybody knew where they
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Speaker 3: needed to be. It looked clean, it looked smooth. OTAs
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Speaker 3: had been running the same way and to be able
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Speaker 3: to continue that process, and I think Liam allowing his
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Speaker 3: staff and veterans and letting it trickle down so he's
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Speaker 3: not the one doing everything is ideally how he would
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Speaker 3: like it run, and it seems to be going that
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Speaker 3: way so far.
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Speaker 2: I have some thoughts on this, but it's also going
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Speaker 2: to be one of our ozone mail bag questions, So
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Speaker 2: we'll get right to Jaguars offensive coordinator Grant Yudinsky. Welcome
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Speaker 2: back into the We're joined this week by Jaguars offensive coordinator,
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Speaker 2: Grant you dinskid. I know, Grant, this is not necessarily
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Speaker 2: your favorite thing to do. I know you would rather
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Speaker 2: be preparing and back in the film, your film guy,
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Speaker 2: But I appreciate you doing this very much.
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Speaker 4: I appreciate you having me on.
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Speaker 2: And so tell me about your off season if you will.
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Speaker 2: I had had a chance to talk with you since
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Speaker 2: the interviews with the other teams. Tell me about that
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Speaker 2: experience and maybe what you took from it.
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Speaker 1: It was a great experience, and honestly, it's a privilege
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Speaker 1: to be able to go through that experience, but it's
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Speaker 1: really a testament to the work of the staff and
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Speaker 1: the players to be put in that position to have
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Speaker 1: that opportunity. So I'm extremely grateful for all the work
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Speaker 1: that those guys put in over the course of the year,
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Speaker 1: over the course of the off season that led to
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Speaker 1: me having that opportunity. It's a great learning experience to
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Speaker 1: go through that stuff. But you kind of find out
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Speaker 1: really what you believe and what you really want to
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Speaker 1: stand on when you go into a situation like that,
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Speaker 1: and you've got to say, well, if I'm taking it over,
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Speaker 1: this is what I truly want to to go out
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Speaker 1: there and execute, and that's always a good process to
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Speaker 1: go through that.
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Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, I'm super.
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Speaker 1: Excited to be back in Jacksonville and thankful to have
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Speaker 1: the opportunity back here.
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Speaker 2: Camp talked about the same thing of I guess you
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Speaker 2: spend so much time in the NFL in the week
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Speaker 2: to week preparing for the next game, doing the next thing,
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Speaker 2: that the opportunity to sort of step back talk about philosophy,
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Speaker 2: belief direction really makes you sort of look inside a
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Speaker 2: little bit, which you don't normally get a chance to do.
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Speaker 2: So I guess that was your experience as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say over the course of so many years,
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Speaker 1: even before I started coaching, you collect all these different
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Speaker 1: things on leadership, on philosophy, on organization building, because you're
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Speaker 1: around so many different voices that you read different things
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Speaker 1: and see different things. So you collect all these things,
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Speaker 1: and I probably have too many ideas collected on philosophy
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Speaker 1: and write an organization.
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Speaker 4: And leaders figure out what's really you right, exactly right.
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Speaker 1: So it's really the process of refinding that down and
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Speaker 1: figuring out what do you truly believe? Of these ten
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Speaker 1: thousand different things you can talk about, what are the
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Speaker 1: five that you really are strongly convicted And so that
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Speaker 1: was kind of the process for me, more so than
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Speaker 1: going out and trying to find what am I interested
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Speaker 1: or what are some different ideas for structuring things, It's
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Speaker 1: really what do I really want to hang my hat.
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Speaker 2: On going into year two. They always talk about how
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Speaker 2: year two under a head coach, year two for a
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Speaker 2: player can be a big jump. This will be your
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Speaker 2: second years offense coordinator. Do you see already how that
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Speaker 2: muscle memory, time on task. Having all that in the bank,
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Speaker 2: if you will, will help going forward.
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Speaker 1: I think that certainly the foundation that we laid last
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Speaker 1: year will help moving forward. But you try every day
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Speaker 1: not to rely on muscle memory or fall for the
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Speaker 1: curse of knowledge and just take things for granted and
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Speaker 1: assume just because we did something last year, we can
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Speaker 1: show up and do it again this year. There is
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Speaker 1: absolutely an element of starting from scratch and approaching things
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Speaker 1: with kind of that beginner mindset, where we're going to
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Speaker 1: attack this thing and learn with the same urgency and
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Speaker 1: ferocity that we did last year when we didn't know anything.
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Speaker 1: And I kind of have to have the same thing
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Speaker 1: in the coordinator position to constantly look to continue to
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Speaker 1: grow and cannot rest on some of that foundation that
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Speaker 1: we've laid last year.
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Speaker 2: And that's something that from listening to Liam seems like
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Speaker 2: a main focus around here of Hey, there was an
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Speaker 2: energy last year, and there was a I guess urgency
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Speaker 2: because it was new, because everything was sort of fresh
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Speaker 2: and coming together. Every experience with Trevor was new, right, So,
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Speaker 2: and I guess the task is maintaining that freshness and urgency,
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Speaker 2: like you said, not assuming you've got it. Because we
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Speaker 2: did this last year on May twentieth, you got to
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Speaker 2: do it on May twentieth again.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I think the nice thing about the group of guys
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Speaker 1: that we have on the coaching staff and in the
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Speaker 1: locker room is that's who we are. That's who those
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Speaker 1: guys are. Every day, whether we were winning or losing,
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Speaker 1: You're going to have that same urgency because we have
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Speaker 1: guys who wake up and strive for that level of
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Speaker 1: greatness and one mbody fast and cleats the things that
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Speaker 1: Liam talks about. At the same time, there's an understanding
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Speaker 1: that last year is last year. We're focused on what now, right,
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Speaker 1: But that's all It's great to learn from last year
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Speaker 1: that that stuff is important. To form how you do
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Speaker 1: things moving forward. And there's a lot of different things
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Speaker 1: you can learn from. But that's really the extent of
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Speaker 1: what makes last year important because we can only really.
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Speaker 4: Focus on the things we can control today.
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Speaker 1: So that process approach for us, you know, applies in
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Speaker 1: the season, will applies in the offseason as well.
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Speaker 2: I'm curious about something. I asked Camp last week about
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Speaker 2: the process and Laam went through it, and you went
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Speaker 2: through it, and he went through it. Of in the
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Speaker 2: NFL these days, you don't necessarily live on six year
13:47
Speaker 2: relationships and seven year relationships. You've got to come in
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Speaker 2: and form a family and a bond and a I
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Speaker 2: mean what you call it a team? Yeah, in a
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Speaker 2: very short time, knowing that you know, some guys are
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Speaker 2: going to be going traves etns not. You know, everything
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Speaker 2: is so ramped up in immediate what's the process of
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Speaker 2: trying to build that quick in the modern NFL. Well,
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Speaker 2: maybe ten years ago you knew you had X amount
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Speaker 2: of time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it starts with the approach first and foremost.
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Speaker 1: There's a beauty to it. Knowing that every year is
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Speaker 1: a new year, just like every week in the NFL
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Speaker 1: is a new week.
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Speaker 4: It's zero zero.
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Speaker 1: The scoreboards starting, everyone's even, it's eleven versus eleven. Well,
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Speaker 1: same thing at the beginning of a new year, everyone's even.
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Speaker 1: Everyone's record zero zero, And that same approach with how
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Speaker 1: we're going to go into the year with where we
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Speaker 1: stand relatively league. It's kind of the same approach you
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Speaker 1: have with relationships, where just like I talked about, you
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Speaker 1: can't take anything for granted with the relationships that you
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Speaker 1: built last year, you're.
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Speaker 4: Doing the same thing this year.
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Speaker 1: So once you kind of have that approach, you become
14:48
Speaker 1: accustomed to saying we're going to start from scratch, from
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Speaker 1: building relationships, from connecting with our players, connecting with our
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Speaker 1: coaches and vice versa. Then that kind of lays the
14:57
Speaker 1: approach the foundation for or doing those things on a
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Speaker 1: day to day basis and having those touch points and
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Speaker 1: having those connections. So it's a great Honestly, I love it.
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Speaker 1: I enjoyed the fact that we got some new guys
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Speaker 1: in here. Obviously we have some guys that we had
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Speaker 1: last year, but getting to know those guys at a
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Speaker 1: deeper level and getting to know the new guys in
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Speaker 1: different ways is always a fun.
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Speaker 4: Process for me.
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Speaker 2: You always in the off season have to talk about change,
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Speaker 2: and a major change offensively was bringing in Chris Rodriguez.
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Speaker 2: I'm fascinating because I think people have overlooked the signing
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Speaker 2: a little bit, but he seems a very interesting piece
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Speaker 2: of this puzzle in terms of what he can give
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Speaker 2: you after contact, efficiency of running, what do you see
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Speaker 2: him bringing in sort of how will he fit into
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Speaker 2: the running game?
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Speaker 1: The things you mentioned certainly pop off the tape. He's
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Speaker 1: a guy that Liam is intimate knowledge of with his
15:50
Speaker 1: time dating back in Kentucky, so he knows him better
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Speaker 1: than anybody right now. But he's a guy we're going
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Speaker 1: to continue to get to know and find what he
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Speaker 1: does well. The things that you mentioned are what show
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Speaker 1: up on tape. Great balance, great efficiency, really probably underrated
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Speaker 1: vision in a lot of regards, and finds ways to
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Speaker 1: make runs be successful or at least productive that might
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Speaker 1: not always look productive by the time he's getting the
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Speaker 1: ball in his hands. And that's a rare trait for
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Speaker 1: guys really at any level. And that will not only
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Speaker 1: benefit us in the run game and the offense, but
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Speaker 1: that benefits you in the screen game and the playpass game.
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Speaker 1: Because now I'm in second and seven instead of second
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Speaker 1: and long, where I'm dropping back and you're a little
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Speaker 1: bit more predictable. So really, hopefully the impact as we
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Speaker 1: continue to develop his role will expand beyond even the
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Speaker 1: run game and really affect the whole offense and the
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Speaker 1: way we call game, the way we approach a game.
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Speaker 2: I'm kind of fascinated by this because it seems in
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Speaker 2: the last x number of years that down in distance
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Speaker 2: has always been important, and now it really dictates play
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Speaker 2: calling where you can go with it. If he's a
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Speaker 2: guy who turns second and eight into second and seven,
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Speaker 2: those small yardage situations on first down mean a great
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Speaker 2: deal into how you can call a game right or
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Speaker 2: how theam can call a game.
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Speaker 4: Oh.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, there are so many variables that go into a
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Speaker 1: given play call or a given situation that those little
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Speaker 1: details like you said, between second and eight and second
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Speaker 1: and seven can completely change the mindset of a defensive coordinator,
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Speaker 1: can change the mindset of.
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Speaker 4: On offense how you're going to get played right exactly.
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Speaker 1: So there's that constant back and forth of trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out where we want to be in order to
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Speaker 1: set up certain plays because you know you're going to
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Speaker 1: sequence the next player, the following player, or three plays
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Speaker 1: for now or even a series from now, how I
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Speaker 1: can sequence these plays and sequence a game. And when
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Speaker 1: you're off schedule, that changes that whole plan and process.
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Speaker 1: Now you have those plans built in, but it might
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Speaker 1: not be as effective to say, I want to set
17:44
Speaker 1: up these two runs so then I can take a
17:46
Speaker 1: shot off of these runs or throw a screen off
17:48
Speaker 1: these runs later if you can never get to those things.
17:50
Speaker 1: So sometimes it's not even the third down or the
17:53
Speaker 1: next the following play that is being affected by it
17:55
Speaker 1: between second and seven and second and eight, but it
17:57
Speaker 1: might be two series later or the next So these
18:01
Speaker 1: things can impact the game really in more ways than
18:03
Speaker 1: you might realize just that surface level.
18:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, you staring at second and nine twice early, and
18:09
Speaker 2: by the end of the second quarter you haven't gotten
18:12
Speaker 2: the stuff that you thought you could get.
18:13
Speaker 1: To exactly right, exactly right, and maybe that stuff or
18:17
Speaker 1: other plays were contingent on the stuff you never got to.
18:20
Speaker 1: So now all the compliments and all the ways you
18:22
Speaker 1: want to marry things together different personnels you want to plan.
18:24
Speaker 4: If you say, hey, we want to.
18:25
Speaker 1: Get two tight ends or three tight ends out on
18:27
Speaker 1: the field, well if you're in second and eleven, there
18:29
Speaker 1: might not be as many plays with three tight ends
18:31
Speaker 1: on the field go for that situation then there is
18:33
Speaker 1: in second and seven, So it can really impact the
18:35
Speaker 1: entire game.
18:36
Speaker 2: You mentioned what has become the post draft buzzword around
18:39
Speaker 2: here twelve and thirteen personnel. I guess it's all you
18:42
Speaker 2: can talk around around the league. But take me through
18:47
Speaker 2: what that can do for an offensive coordinator when you
18:51
Speaker 2: have those options and you feel good about that personnel package.
18:55
Speaker 2: Is what sort of balance? I've been told for twenty
18:59
Speaker 2: five years there's nats who believe that two tight ends
19:01
Speaker 2: is the most difficult formation to defend because of the
19:05
Speaker 2: balance it gives you. But from your perspective, what does
19:08
Speaker 2: twelve and thirteen mean when you can do it well?
19:11
Speaker 1: Well, I think when you talk about balance, you don't
19:14
Speaker 1: necessarily have to be balanced in the sense that we
19:16
Speaker 1: have a perfectly balanced formation where there's a certain number
19:19
Speaker 1: of receivers on one side or tight ends on another side,
19:21
Speaker 1: or even balance in the sense that I have to
19:23
Speaker 1: be fifty percent run fifty percent pass. But balance to
19:26
Speaker 1: me has always been the ability to attack the defense
19:29
Speaker 1: in the way you want to attack the defense. So
19:30
Speaker 1: for example, we want to be able to dictate terms
19:33
Speaker 1: and say if we want to run the ball or
19:34
Speaker 1: the defense is giving us a look to run the ball.
19:36
Speaker 1: We want to have the balance or the versatility more
19:39
Speaker 1: so maybe than balance to be able to do that.
19:41
Speaker 4: And that's what you want to do exactly.
19:43
Speaker 1: And that's really where when you have two tight ends
19:45
Speaker 1: and three tight ends on the field, you maybe have
19:47
Speaker 1: more versatility then you might have when you have three receivers.
19:50
Speaker 4: And one tight end on the field.
19:52
Speaker 1: Now a lot of that is important, it's really based
19:54
Speaker 1: on who those guys are.
19:56
Speaker 4: So you can have that.
19:57
Speaker 1: Same balance, right, tight end, Right, you can have that
19:59
Speaker 1: same balance whether you two tight ends or three tight
20:01
Speaker 1: ends on the field. If you have guys who are
20:03
Speaker 1: versatile and can play in multiple roles. If you have
20:05
Speaker 1: guys who can play in the run game and block
20:08
Speaker 1: and play in the pass protection game and then go
20:09
Speaker 1: out for routes, well that's a triple threat right there.
20:12
Speaker 1: So that makes it challenging for defenses to guard those
20:15
Speaker 1: type of players because they're really hybrid players where one
20:17
Speaker 1: snap they line up and they look like a wide receiver,
20:19
Speaker 1: one snap they look like a tight end, and then
20:21
Speaker 1: snap they look like a fullback doesn't work.
20:22
Speaker 2: If it's a third wide receiver disguised as a tight end, well.
20:26
Speaker 4: It doesn't always work.
20:27
Speaker 1: But you can have that same balance and versatility, which
20:29
Speaker 1: you saw a lot of teams do with a wide
20:31
Speaker 1: receiver if you get the right guy.
20:32
Speaker 4: So you'll see some teams.
20:33
Speaker 1: Across the league they play with three wide receivers and
20:35
Speaker 1: I would say they're still very balanced because they have
20:37
Speaker 1: a wide receiver that can do some things that tight
20:39
Speaker 1: ends can do. So it's just that multiplicity of it
20:43
Speaker 1: having a guy that can play multiple roles that challenges
20:46
Speaker 1: a defense. Now we're hoping to find that and tight ends,
20:49
Speaker 1: but we're hoping to find that receivers. We're hoping to
20:50
Speaker 1: find that in running backs. The more guys that we
20:52
Speaker 1: can find that ability where defenses really don't know what's coming,
20:56
Speaker 1: what that look is going to be, whether it's with
20:57
Speaker 1: running backs, tight ends, or receivers, the harder it is
20:59
Speaker 1: for them.
20:59
Speaker 2: To So it goes back to last year's buzzword, which
21:02
Speaker 2: was really always versatility, Like you said, the ability to
21:06
Speaker 2: do whatever you want out of different formations.
21:08
Speaker 4: Yeah.
21:08
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and that's what makes things easiest for us obviously
21:11
Speaker 1: as play callers, but for the offensive line, for the quarterbacks,
21:14
Speaker 1: and for everybody else.
21:15
Speaker 4: When we can dictate the terms of the defense.
21:17
Speaker 2: What and this is a pretty broad question, so you
21:21
Speaker 2: can go wherever you want with it. But your first
21:24
Speaker 2: year as a coordinator full time in this position, what
21:29
Speaker 2: did you learn? Where are you better now than maybe
21:32
Speaker 2: you were sitting here last year.
21:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting question because that's that's one that
21:37
Speaker 1: certainly has come up a lot this offseason. I would
21:40
Speaker 1: hope I've improved everywhere. I'm not foolish enough to think
21:43
Speaker 1: that I've made great strides everywhere. I'm certainly striving to
21:46
Speaker 1: continue improving everything I do.
21:47
Speaker 2: I think one of.
21:48
Speaker 1: The biggest adjustments to being in the coordinator position, and
21:51
Speaker 1: not only in the coordinator position but on this staff,
21:53
Speaker 1: was learning all the different personalities of the coaches that
21:56
Speaker 1: I'm working with. Okay, it's no secret that we have
21:58
Speaker 1: guys from all over the place. We have guys from Chicago,
22:01
Speaker 1: we had guys from Vegas, we had guys who had
22:03
Speaker 1: been here. We have guys from obviously myself Minnesota. So
22:07
Speaker 1: we were combining guys with a diverse set of experiences
22:10
Speaker 1: and backgrounds and coming together to run the system that
22:13
Speaker 1: coach Cohen was familiar with and continue to try to
22:15
Speaker 1: push and evolve that system to fit our personnel. So
22:18
Speaker 1: you're learning the coaching staff, you're learning the system. You're
22:21
Speaker 1: also learning the players, and you're learning what do they
22:23
Speaker 1: do best, what do they respond to best, how do
22:25
Speaker 1: they learn? How do they react? So a lot of
22:27
Speaker 1: what I learned about myself is how I interact with
22:30
Speaker 1: all these different personal eyes and all these different people,
22:32
Speaker 1: and how I can best coordinate that group to come
22:35
Speaker 1: together in an efficient manner. So there are certainly ideas
22:39
Speaker 1: that I probably had before I became the coordinator on
22:41
Speaker 1: a certain way to do things that I thought would
22:43
Speaker 1: be optimal, and you try it and you learn based
22:46
Speaker 1: on how guys respond or what's most effective for different
22:49
Speaker 1: ways for players or coaches to learn, or different ways
22:52
Speaker 1: for them to receive communication, and you're just accordingly. So
22:55
Speaker 1: a lot of that is me refining my process to
22:57
Speaker 1: try to be my best for those guys.
22:59
Speaker 2: Are you're good at throwing it out when it does more?
23:01
Speaker 1: It hurts every time, But unfortunately I have to. I
23:03
Speaker 1: have no choice, So you know I can't. We can't
23:05
Speaker 1: afford to sit here and do something that's less than optimal,
23:08
Speaker 1: suboptimal just because I like it. So you know, I'll
23:11
Speaker 1: smile and nod when they tell me it's not working,
23:14
Speaker 1: but it will definitely hurt inside.
23:16
Speaker 4: But I but you always got to know.
23:17
Speaker 1: I'd rather know and it be painful than suffer the
23:19
Speaker 1: pain in the long run of doing something suboptimal.
23:22
Speaker 2: I got you. I can't talk to you obviously without
23:25
Speaker 2: talking quarterback. Where did you see the most growth last year?
23:32
Speaker 2: And I guess what impressed you the most? After a
23:34
Speaker 2: year of working.
23:35
Speaker 4: With Trevor first and foremost the guy.
23:38
Speaker 1: Trevor is a phenomenal guy and person human being to
23:42
Speaker 1: be around every single day. The consistency, how grounded he is,
23:45
Speaker 1: how authentic he is, his leadership style, all of that
23:49
Speaker 1: infects not just what we do in the quarterback room,
23:52
Speaker 1: with the whole building.
23:53
Speaker 2: And figure out after a while it's real.
23:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, because you never know and it's hard to do.
23:58
Speaker 1: It's easy to do for a day, it's tough to
24:01
Speaker 1: do for a week, but it's hard to do every
24:03
Speaker 1: single day for a long, long season when you're going
24:06
Speaker 1: through stuff, exactly, and that's the real testament. Too early
24:10
Speaker 1: in the season, he probably didn't have the success for
24:13
Speaker 1: his personal numbers per se that he may have wanted,
24:16
Speaker 1: and a lot of that may not have always been
24:19
Speaker 1: his errors. When you're a quarterback, you're relying on the
24:22
Speaker 1: other ten guys on the field to do the right
24:24
Speaker 1: thing at the right time, and be on the right
24:25
Speaker 1: spot and block the right rules and run the right
24:28
Speaker 1: routes and do everything else around you correctly so you
24:30
Speaker 1: can get those guys the ball. And when things are
24:32
Speaker 1: not right around you, it goes from an incredibly tough
24:36
Speaker 1: position to play.
24:36
Speaker 4: To basically an impossible position to play.
24:39
Speaker 1: I think what was so impressed about what he did
24:41
Speaker 1: is he continued to work on improve what he could
24:43
Speaker 1: control every single day. He showed up for the entire season,
24:47
Speaker 1: whether we were struggling early or whether we were having
24:49
Speaker 1: success late, he was still working to improve the same
24:51
Speaker 1: way he was working to improve early in the season,
24:54
Speaker 1: and he was able to do that while things around
24:57
Speaker 1: him were fluctuating from a performance level. So letting the
25:00
Speaker 1: fact that a guy may have run the wrong route
25:02
Speaker 1: or an offensive lineman may have missed the block affect
25:05
Speaker 1: his approach for improvement, that's exceptionally rare, and I think
25:09
Speaker 1: you hopefully saw some of that results pay off there
25:11
Speaker 1: towards the end of the year.
25:13
Speaker 2: What's his I mean last year the theme was obviously footwork,
25:17
Speaker 2: learning the fundamentals needed for this offense. That was the
25:22
Speaker 2: thrust everybody outside talked about. I know you guys talked
25:24
Speaker 2: about it litney of things. What's the step for him now?
25:28
Speaker 2: Is it just being in it, feeling the offense now,
25:32
Speaker 2: knowing it better or given too much away? What's his step?
25:38
Speaker 2: What's his next step progression?
25:41
Speaker 1: I think the fundamentals and technique and those things that
25:43
Speaker 1: we talked about, those never really go away. So same
25:45
Speaker 1: thing I had talked about with the beginner mindset of
25:48
Speaker 1: approaching the offseason and relying on that foundation that we've
25:51
Speaker 1: laid last year, well that kind of applies. That same
25:54
Speaker 1: principle applies really to the fundamentals technique that will go
25:58
Speaker 1: into the quarterback position with every single year, and those
26:03
Speaker 1: will get tweaked and adjusted by each guy, but those
26:06
Speaker 1: core foundations kind of stay the same, So you're always
26:09
Speaker 1: working on refining those, You're always working on improving those,
26:11
Speaker 1: regardless of who.
26:12
Speaker 4: The quarterback is.
26:13
Speaker 1: And then as guys get more comfortable in the system,
26:16
Speaker 1: you want to continue to develop that master in the system,
26:18
Speaker 1: so they continue to play faster, play with great anticipation,
26:21
Speaker 1: make the right reads, make the right decision making, and
26:23
Speaker 1: ultimately get to the point where they're playing without having
26:25
Speaker 1: to think they're out there playing quarterback, not thinking about
26:28
Speaker 1: playing quarterback. And I think he's done a great job
26:30
Speaker 1: with all the reps that he's gained of getting closer
26:32
Speaker 1: and closer to that. But all of these areas that
26:34
Speaker 1: even you do well, you're always constantly.
26:36
Speaker 4: Trying to improve.
26:37
Speaker 1: So he'll have a number of different things that we'll
26:40
Speaker 1: can continue to try to push to go from good
26:43
Speaker 1: to great and great to the best, and that'll be
26:45
Speaker 1: the expectation every day. And what's awesome about him is
26:47
Speaker 1: he understands that even when he does something great, we're
26:49
Speaker 1: still pushing for it to get better. That's what makes
26:51
Speaker 1: guys like Trevor a joy to coach. Will also continue
26:54
Speaker 1: to evolve the offense, and as we evolve the offense,
26:56
Speaker 1: that presents some new wrinkles and things for him to master.
26:59
Speaker 1: So there's naturally always plenty of room for improvement for
27:02
Speaker 1: us as coaches, for quarterback, receiver, for everybody. Over the
27:04
Speaker 1: course of an offseason, whether it's refining the things you
27:06
Speaker 1: already do well or making improvements or learning brand new things.
27:11
Speaker 2: Had people tell me I've seen him a couple of
27:13
Speaker 2: times they saw season, not enough to see this necessarily,
27:17
Speaker 2: that you can see a difference in just the confidence
27:21
Speaker 2: from last year, that it's sort of his owning it.
27:25
Speaker 2: Not that he never didn't own it, but do you
27:28
Speaker 2: see that sort of a different vibe, a different and
27:32
Speaker 2: something the way he walks. I guess.
27:36
Speaker 4: I would.
27:36
Speaker 1: I would certainly say that really he's continuing to improve
27:41
Speaker 1: in all areas of the quarterback position. Now, unfortunately or
27:44
Speaker 1: fortunately for quarterbacks, that position is more than just going
27:47
Speaker 1: out there and the six seconds between the snap and
27:49
Speaker 1: the whistle. So whether it's confidence, or whether it's communication,
27:53
Speaker 1: whether it's leadership, all of those things, he's continued to grow.
27:56
Speaker 1: Once again, I know I've said it before, adnawledgem at
27:59
Speaker 1: this point, but that's a test and to his work
28:00
Speaker 1: ethic and his approach to say, I'm going to continue
28:02
Speaker 1: to prove something not because I'm a poor leader, but
28:05
Speaker 1: because I want to go from a great to the
28:06
Speaker 1: best leader. So same thing with confidence that naturally grows
28:10
Speaker 1: as you continue to work those things.
28:11
Speaker 2: When you did your off your postseason deep dive, I'm
28:16
Speaker 2: sure you learned encyclopedia of things. Encyclopedia, by the way,
28:20
Speaker 2: is what we used to But anything that stood out
28:26
Speaker 2: from the deep dive that you can share that you
28:29
Speaker 2: wanted to get better.
28:30
Speaker 4: This year, you're set me up for all these questions.
28:35
Speaker 1: I'm going to say everything on all of them, and
28:36
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of things you don't want to
28:37
Speaker 1: get better off here. I think as we continue to
28:40
Speaker 1: refine the details at all positions, there's probably one or
28:43
Speaker 1: two things from every single position that we can improve
28:46
Speaker 1: the details on that will ultimately improve the outcome of
28:49
Speaker 1: a lot of different plays that show up over the
28:51
Speaker 1: course of the season. I think as coaches, you know,
28:54
Speaker 1: you always want to look at what did I do
28:56
Speaker 1: and what can I communicate differently? What can I communicate
28:59
Speaker 1: more efficiently or better to explain to players what we're
29:02
Speaker 1: trying to get out of certain plays. Them understanding the
29:04
Speaker 1: intented plays, them understanding the rules and the principles and
29:07
Speaker 1: the adjustments.
29:08
Speaker 4: Of plays, because there there is a little bit.
29:10
Speaker 1: Of a difference between understanding what we put on a
29:12
Speaker 1: whiteboard or what we put in the playbook page and
29:14
Speaker 1: how things actually play out in real life. There's always
29:16
Speaker 1: going to be grey in the game of football.
29:18
Speaker 2: That's your communication point right where you got to say, hey, right.
29:21
Speaker 1: Here, absolutely, because there's a judgment call out there, and
29:24
Speaker 1: the guy has to have the ability to go out
29:26
Speaker 1: there and make a judgment call on saying that defensive
29:29
Speaker 1: end played me outside or that defense then played me inside.
29:31
Speaker 1: Sometimes he's jabbing back and forth and you don't know, okay,
29:34
Speaker 1: is this outside inside? But given the guys the tools
29:36
Speaker 1: and the frameworks where they can go out there and
29:38
Speaker 1: play fast and make the right decisions. So a lot
29:40
Speaker 1: of what you look at is how are ways that
29:42
Speaker 1: I can either clean up the language, make things more concise,
29:46
Speaker 1: clean up the rules, clean up our teaching progressions, teach
29:49
Speaker 1: up all your clean up all those different things that
29:52
Speaker 1: can help those guys go out there and fix what
29:55
Speaker 1: shows up on the field.
29:56
Speaker 4: Absolutely sure they know there's.
29:58
Speaker 2: Not confusion and what you're saying compared to what gets
30:02
Speaker 2: out there.
30:02
Speaker 4: Sorry, absolutely, no, no problem.
30:04
Speaker 1: There is absolutely an element of Okham's razor all of
30:06
Speaker 1: those things where a parsimony of a simple and concise
30:10
Speaker 1: and clear message is often most effective and that can
30:13
Speaker 1: be hard when there's fifteen to twenty five different looks
30:15
Speaker 1: of defense can give you.
30:16
Speaker 4: The better and better they get, the harder and harder
30:18
Speaker 4: it becomes.
30:19
Speaker 1: So that's the challenge, and that's the fun of coaching,
30:21
Speaker 1: of taking what they do that may look complicated to
30:23
Speaker 1: us and making as simple as possible for our guys.
30:26
Speaker 2: A final thing we do is usually the ozone five.
30:28
Speaker 2: It's where we get into five fun questions. We did
30:31
Speaker 2: this last year with how could I feel a slightly
30:33
Speaker 2: different direction? Your best football memory to date? High school, college, pro,
30:41
Speaker 2: whatever it was.
30:44
Speaker 4: That's a tough question.
30:45
Speaker 2: You definitely can't say everything.
30:48
Speaker 4: They're all pretty darn good. Yeah, hu, man, it's tough
30:51
Speaker 4: to be.
30:52
Speaker 1: It's tough to beat high school, right, It's really as
30:54
Speaker 1: tough to beat high school football. It's like, you know,
30:56
Speaker 1: the purest form out there, especially if you're going out
30:59
Speaker 1: there playing with the guys you grew up in for
31:01
Speaker 1: your hometown team.
31:01
Speaker 2: So it's a big high school moment.
31:03
Speaker 4: So those are tough to be.
31:04
Speaker 1: I don't know that I was probably not a good
31:05
Speaker 1: enough player to have a great high school moment, but
31:09
Speaker 1: getting to play, but yeah, recency bias obviously, I would
31:12
Speaker 1: say this year winning the division was a great moment
31:17
Speaker 1: and really special for us as coaches. But really seeing
31:21
Speaker 1: those guys everything they had been through, for them to
31:23
Speaker 1: come in and buy in the way they did and
31:24
Speaker 1: then to see that outcome was a really really special
31:28
Speaker 1: moment for those guys because they had earned it when
31:31
Speaker 1: not a lot of people believed in them, not a
31:32
Speaker 1: lot of people pay attention to them, not a lot
31:34
Speaker 1: of people were giving them the positive praise that they
31:36
Speaker 1: probably deserved on a national level.
31:38
Speaker 2: And earned it the hard way down the stretch. Had
31:40
Speaker 2: to win eight I mean that was a marathon type grind.
31:43
Speaker 2: We had to be at your best every week.
31:44
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
31:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that is obviously a little bit of recency bias,
31:48
Speaker 1: but I would say that's probably my number one today.
31:51
Speaker 1: Got you ask me tomorrow, it'll be a different one.
31:52
Speaker 1: It'll be a high school football story.
31:54
Speaker 2: It's fair sport other than football that you were good at.
32:00
Speaker 1: Cross was my next best sport. Yeah, men's lacrosse. So
32:03
Speaker 1: I grew up in Pennsylvania, so it was a little
32:04
Speaker 1: bit bigger. You know, it's gotten more popular down here now.
32:07
Speaker 2: It's it's incredibly popular down I covered high school sports
32:11
Speaker 2: in the nineties, nobody knew what alcross stick was.
32:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, and now they play.
32:15
Speaker 2: It, so that's just in that period it's gotten big.
32:18
Speaker 1: Well, probably the only reason I was good is because
32:20
Speaker 1: nobody actually played it, so you know you're competing against
32:23
Speaker 1: no one else playing it, so you could just be
32:24
Speaker 1: athletic and run around and that's probably on that.
32:27
Speaker 2: So what'd you play in lacrosse?
32:30
Speaker 3: So?
32:30
Speaker 4: I played long stick?
32:31
Speaker 1: Well, I played defense, long stick committee and did some
32:33
Speaker 1: face off, so kind of bounced around all over.
32:34
Speaker 2: The play long stick mid is literally longer sticks that
32:38
Speaker 2: you can pass, so you can.
32:40
Speaker 4: Play different she's in the six foot pulse.
32:43
Speaker 1: That way, you can play defense and you basically have
32:46
Speaker 1: more range to hit offensive players with your stick and
32:49
Speaker 1: attack them with your stick.
32:50
Speaker 2: So got you final question? Assuming that I believe this
32:57
Speaker 2: is the last time we'll do this, because I believe
32:59
Speaker 2: you'll be a head coach next year. But that's my opinion.
33:02
Speaker 2: You have to comment on that, assuming you are. What's
33:05
Speaker 2: the biggest thing you take from working with Liam Cohen.
33:11
Speaker 1: There's a lot of there's a lot of good ones.
33:13
Speaker 1: Like I said, you said, you've asked about every question.
33:15
Speaker 1: I could answer everything where but.
33:18
Speaker 2: This one.
33:21
Speaker 1: I would say, that's a great question. I'm going to
33:29
Speaker 1: give you a cop out answer because this is going
33:30
Speaker 1: to encompass like five hundred different things. But his approach
33:35
Speaker 1: with the players and staff in terms of establishing the expectation,
33:40
Speaker 1: cultures and norms here is another one of those things.
33:43
Speaker 1: Like when I talked about the quarterback, it infects the
33:45
Speaker 1: whole building. Well, I think the way he approaches, carries
33:48
Speaker 1: himself and talks about everything he does is infectious for
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Speaker 1: every single coach, every single player, probably every single person
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Speaker 1: that steps in this building because you may see him
33:58
Speaker 1: go out there and talk about fast and fleets and
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Speaker 1: being authentic and being tough and all of those different
34:03
Speaker 1: things we talk about. But to embody that every single day,
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Speaker 1: and he is consistent about it every single day and
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Speaker 1: truly not let the outside noise affect that I found
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Speaker 1: is rare.
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Speaker 4: And he's a.
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Speaker 1: Guy that when he does it, he means it, and
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Speaker 1: he is that every single day. So he's the same
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Speaker 1: guy behind those closed doors that he is out there
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Speaker 1: in public. And it's easy to say when things are
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Speaker 1: going well, and it's easy to say when you're not
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Speaker 1: hearing the outside noise. But there are a lot of
34:30
Speaker 1: people that when the media starts talking and you have
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Speaker 1: a bunch of people sending you a text message and
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Speaker 1: your family's talking to me about criticizing for this and
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Speaker 1: that that that can affect people, and his ability to
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Speaker 1: stay consistent through all that and deliver that message in
34:43
Speaker 1: different ways, but it's the same message and the same
34:45
Speaker 1: principles day after day after day. Not only does it
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Speaker 1: provide that foundation of our culture, but it provides a
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Speaker 1: sense of stability and confidence from the players, to the
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Speaker 1: coaches to everybody else to know this is for real
34:58
Speaker 1: and this is not going to change, and it's not
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Speaker 1: built on built on sam where this thing's going to
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Speaker 1: fold as soon as.
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Speaker 4: Things get hard.
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Speaker 1: And to have that sense of security and confidence changes
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Speaker 1: the way you approach everything you do when you step
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Speaker 1: in the building.
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Speaker 2: That was far from a cop out answer, and I've
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Speaker 2: only known you two years may have been the best
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Speaker 2: answer I've heard you give. So that was fantastic, Grant.
35:18
Speaker 2: I always enjoy talking to you in this forum. I
35:21
Speaker 2: can't thank you enough for the joining the ozone podcast
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Speaker 2: and good luck moving forward.
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Speaker 4: I appreciate I appreciate the ky words. I appreciate you
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Speaker 4: having me on.
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Speaker 2: Thanks buddy, I appreciate you. He's an interesting guy that
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Speaker 2: I don't believe. As I told him at the end
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Speaker 2: of that interview, I don't believe I'll be doing that
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Speaker 2: with him again next year because the Ozone podcast with
35:39
Speaker 2: the coordinators be easy to do at this time of year.
35:41
Speaker 2: I don't anticipate him being here. I think he's going
35:43
Speaker 2: to be an outstanding head coach, probably starting in twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty seven.
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Speaker 3: He's very kind of dumb things down for us, so
35:48
Speaker 3: we can understand that. I think with the way his
35:51
Speaker 3: mind works when it comes to football is very advanced
35:55
Speaker 3: and very unique. And I think that's why he's already
35:58
Speaker 3: had interviews to be a head coach. It's just a
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Speaker 3: matter of time and finding the right fit for himself.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think with Grant I got to it
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Speaker 2: a little bit when I was talking to him. It's
36:08
Speaker 2: hard for him to discuss this sort of thing because
36:12
Speaker 2: you don't want to give away too much. But where
36:15
Speaker 2: he is high end good for this team. Uh, he's good.
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Speaker 2: He's good in a lot of ways as a leader,
36:21
Speaker 2: as as a quarterback whisper or whatever that means. But
36:25
Speaker 2: he's really good at being able to look at film
36:28
Speaker 2: look at a defense and really sort of predict what's
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Speaker 2: going to happen on the play. Really helps the quarterback,
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Speaker 2: particularly Trevor out in terms of you know, sometimes when
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Speaker 2: Trevor goes to the line with what Grant has seen,
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Speaker 2: he already has the answers to the test if you will.
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Speaker 2: So he's very high end in that regard, and there's
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Speaker 2: a million things going into being a head coach. But uh,
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Speaker 2: you know he's will worry about it next year, but uh,
36:57
Speaker 2: they're gonna miss him when he's gone.
36:58
Speaker 3: Absolutely, do some ozone mail bag questions, so close things out.
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Speaker 3: First off, we're going to start out with Stephen from
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Speaker 3: section one thirteen says, I drove by the stadium to
37:06
Speaker 3: check out the construction. They've taken down the lights. This
37:09
Speaker 3: leads me to the conclusion of all one pm games
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Speaker 3: at home this season? Do you reach the same conclusion?
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Speaker 2: John?
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Speaker 3: Did you write this in you like one o'clock games?
37:16
Speaker 2: Look? This would be my ideal season. The question was phrased,
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Speaker 2: do you reach that conclusion? I do not reach that
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Speaker 2: conclusion because I'm fortunate enough to be able to talk
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Speaker 2: to people who don't have to speculate. There's no rule
37:32
Speaker 2: right now against them having one PM game. I mean,
37:35
Speaker 2: I get that the lights are not up. There will
37:38
Speaker 2: be lights. It will be a Litz stadium. You have
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Speaker 2: to have that, no matter if you have primetime games
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Speaker 2: or not. But there's nothing to indicate right now that
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Speaker 2: they won't be able to play primetime games.
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Speaker 1: Thanks.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what the schedule will entail, but I
37:53
Speaker 2: kind of included that because that's a little bit. People
37:56
Speaker 2: who drive down here see a stadium very much under construction. Well,
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Speaker 2: that's the plan, So it is the plan.
38:02
Speaker 3: Josh from Atlanta has a question, says, can we expect
38:04
Speaker 3: to see a few less illegal motion penalties the second
38:07
Speaker 3: year in the thirteen? Personnel isn't exactly a new thing,
38:09
Speaker 3: so it shouldn't be like another year of learning an
38:12
Speaker 3: entirely new system.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Look, this was a topic last year because they struggled
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Speaker 2: with it at times. Sure it did, But I think
38:21
Speaker 2: there's a couple of facts or a couple of things
38:23
Speaker 2: you remember here when you do as much pre snap
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Speaker 2: as they do, and so much of their offense is
38:30
Speaker 2: contingent on Trevor being able to get to the line.
38:34
Speaker 2: Take what Grant and Liam have put in that week
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Speaker 2: and call plays based on what they see pre snap.
38:42
Speaker 2: So with this kind of scheme, you're going to have
38:45
Speaker 2: a lot of pre snap motions, a lot of pre
38:46
Speaker 2: snap movement. You're going to get a little bit of this,
38:49
Speaker 2: just as you know you're willing to take that at
38:54
Speaker 2: times to run this offense, which gives you such a
38:57
Speaker 2: mental advantage during the play. That's said, I think it
39:00
Speaker 2: will be a lot better next year, because you're in
39:02
Speaker 2: year two, all right.
39:04
Speaker 3: Our final one is Anita from Springfield who says, what
39:07
Speaker 3: would be the whole what would the hold up be
39:10
Speaker 3: in fairly standard rookie contracts to keep Borkachier from signing
39:13
Speaker 3: with the rest of the class. The other nine pers
39:16
Speaker 3: already signed.
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Speaker 2: There's ten draft picks, nine signed last week. The hold
39:20
Speaker 2: up is that second round picks are now under the
39:24
Speaker 2: same sort of pre draft conflict, I mean pre season
39:30
Speaker 2: conflict as first round picks. So what I mean by
39:33
Speaker 2: that is last year Houston gave a wide receiver and
39:38
Speaker 2: I can't remember who it was, guaranteed money as a
39:41
Speaker 2: second round pick. Of course of the contract. Well, that's
39:44
Speaker 2: set precedent. So last year you had I think it
39:47
Speaker 2: was thirty out of thirty two second round picks didn't
39:50
Speaker 2: sign their contracts until later than normal. I think it
39:53
Speaker 2: was mid June. Now you've got agents of second round picks.
39:57
Speaker 2: They're not going to sl lot as easily as third
40:02
Speaker 2: round picks and fourth round picks because there's this idea
40:05
Speaker 2: that you might be able to get guaranteed money. So again,
40:08
Speaker 2: there's no concern that Borkshire is not going to be
40:11
Speaker 2: in Uh, it's just another it's a slight change in
40:16
Speaker 2: the off season calendar, body clock, if you will so again,
40:23
Speaker 2: I'd be stunned if there's any room, if there's any
40:26
Speaker 2: reason for a long term concern.
40:27
Speaker 3: John, do you want to close us out? Will I
40:29
Speaker 3: get to know's own question?
40:30
Speaker 2: I get to know his own questions? Yes, who's the.
40:33
Speaker 3: Most impressive rookie you've ever covered? Like when they came in,
40:38
Speaker 3: you were just like, oh, yeah, they're like when.
40:41
Speaker 2: I first met them, Yeah, it's tough. Two that stand
40:48
Speaker 2: out for being just turn key. Ready, one's Bob Sanders
40:55
Speaker 2: in Indianapolis. He was not the most outspoken guy, but
41:00
Speaker 2: when you walked in and you saw this kid, the
41:03
Speaker 2: way he was built, the way he carried himself, he
41:06
Speaker 2: was as sure as any rookie I've ever been around,
41:10
Speaker 2: that he was good, That he was good, he had
41:14
Speaker 2: an air about him. There was no doubt. I was
41:16
Speaker 2: gonna say Fred Taylor at first, because by the time
41:19
Speaker 2: he finished his rookie season, he was off the charts.
41:23
Speaker 2: But he was not overly confident when he came in.
41:25
Speaker 2: Fred he had a little bit of imposter syndrome, if
41:31
Speaker 2: you will, Like he wasn't quite sure where he fit in,
41:34
Speaker 2: which is crazy considering how ialented he was. But you know,
41:41
Speaker 2: nobody really jumps out, really except for Bob who very quickly.
41:47
Speaker 2: Very few rookies, Like if you read my stories on
41:50
Speaker 2: Jaguars dot Com, I rarely quote rookies because they're not
41:54
Speaker 2: They don't really know that much. Yet. There are exceptions,
41:59
Speaker 2: and again Bob was an exception, a guy who would
42:02
Speaker 2: have been in the Hall of Fame had he not
42:03
Speaker 2: gotten hurt early, had he his injuries completely a way
42:07
Speaker 2: late his career. But he was as impressive as anybody
42:10
Speaker 2: I've ever been around in terms of just being ready.
42:13
Speaker 2: And you know, as I say that Baselli probably fits
42:17
Speaker 2: in there too. I was just covering the league in
42:21
Speaker 2: ninety five, so I didn't really know what I was covering,
42:24
Speaker 2: but looking back, Tony had an air about him that
42:28
Speaker 2: you knew he was going to be good.
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Speaker 3: Came in ready to meet the moment too.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the great ones. There's an air about him and
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Speaker 2: Tony was a great, very cool.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for sharing.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, and that's it. I'm not very good at
42:42
Speaker 2: transitioning out, but that was the ozone podcast. I appreciate
42:45
Speaker 2: Grant Yudisky joining us, and I appreciate Kyte joining us.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much,