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Vikings Offense Falters in Detroit as Quarterback Pressure Builds · Scene Projects Sports Network

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  Welcome in to the Scene Project Sports Network.
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  I am your host, Bubba Starts.
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  You are here tonight for Tailgate Tuesday, our recap edition.
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  The Vikings lose in Detroit and don't look good doing it.
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  We got a lot to get into tonight.
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  My cohost, Big B, and coach Cody are both here.
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  B, how's it going, brother?
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  Oh,
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  it's going good.
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  I mean, yes, Sunday was a tough one.
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  And then you watch a Monday night game and see a division rival just lay the smackdown on the
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  Super Bowl champs, made it even tougher.
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  I kinda wish I had a brown paper base I could put over my head while I'm doing the interview.
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  Nobody could see me, but it is
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  what it is.
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  That point yet, but I might talk to me in a month.
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  It is it is what it is.
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  It was a lot of, you know, bad plays.
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  It it looked like a peewee game when they started throwing the ball around, and I I don't
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  have any answers.
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  Maybe coach does.
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  Maybe we come up with some answers during the show.
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  But right now, I have nothing.
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  Coach.
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  What's going on, fellas?
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  What's up, coach?
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  I'm glad I'm glad that I had a chance to vent.
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  Shout out to my guy, Zoe, and, and the In The Zone podcast, for having me on, allowing me to
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  vent yesterday afternoon.
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  Otherwise, this may have been a a powder keg starting out the show.
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  Coach, what was your takeaways from Sunday's game?
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  Let's start from the defensive side.
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  I
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  mean, from the defensive side, we brought it up in the pregame show.
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  You know, golf through 14 touchdowns, zero picks.
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  We knew we had to break that streak, and we did on the defensive side.
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  Playing out of his mind.
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  The rest of the defense, you know, I just...
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  We need to bail them out.
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  Offense needs to help them out because we can't...
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  I mean, they held the lions to a 120 points, powerful, offense, but, dang, they need to
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  help.
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  They need to be rewarded.
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  Yeah.
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  Can you talk about the mentality of a defensive player who are delivering on your end and then
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  feel like your your offense is doing so little and your offensive minded head coach is doing
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  little?
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  Can that cause a rift in a locker room?
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  I mean, it all depends.
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  It all depends on the mindset of your players, the dynamic inside that locker room.
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  You know, I feel like this defense, they know, like, hey.
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  We're dogs no matter what.
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  You know, offense, we got faith in them.
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  We got one of the best wide receivers in the league.
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  You know, Hawkinson and Murray, they got a nice connection going on.
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  Our running game is there ish, but you you just...
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  You gotta...
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  It's a team sport.
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  You gotta have faith in the guy next to you, you know, whether it's offensive, defense,
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  special teams.
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  I think I think they'll be alright, but some of our locker rooms can lose it.
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  Get
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  our guy Selly in here.
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  He just tapped in backstage.
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  What's good, Selly?
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  Selly.
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  'Sup, gentlemen?
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  How are doing?
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  Doing okay.
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  I mean, you gotta be smiling ear to ear watching the colts sell off every piece of
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  talent that they have on their team.
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  Right?
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  Yes.
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  Although, you're gonna have to update me.
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  Did they trade somebody today?
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  I I have no idea.
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  Well, no.
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  But they let Quentin Nelson go and Jonathan Taylor, it seems like is on the block.
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  Now whether anyone decides to pay the price tag, that they're kinda sticking to, it seems
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  like, they're after a first round pick or multiple seconds, that we'll see if anyone's
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  willing to pay that price.
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  I, three days ago, was on the train of whatever it takes to get him.
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  I have since changed my mind after watching this Vikings offense play on Sunday, and we'll
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  keep the draft picks and just rebuild this team in the off season.
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  No.
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  I...
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  I'm I'm happy.
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  I'm just waiting for them to bench Daniel point point.
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  And I think that way that way might not win another game for the rest of the season.
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  Every game of this...
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  Every game.
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  Just lose every single game.
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  Although they played the Cowboys this week, and that one's a little tough because we have the
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  Cowboys pick as well.
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  So that one is kinda I I think I still need them to beat the Colts, though, at this point
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  because I think the Colts have a...
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  The Colts pick has a higher chance of being, like, top five.
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  The Jets right now have the fifth, the sixth, and the tenth pick in the draft.
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  That's crazy work in a in what they're calling, you know, one of the best drafts of the last
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  decade.
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  Right?
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  So maybe
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  this is how you rebuild it.
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  They got issues of their own over there.
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  Aaron Glenn seeming like, it may not be the answer.
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  They might be looking for a new coach in the off season, so we'll we'll see what goes on.
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  We'll check back in with the Jets, after the season's over, Sully, and we'll deep dive some
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  of these teams.
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  Guys, like, week 15 or whatever.
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  So Oh, yeah.
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  That's right.
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  We do.
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  And these could be, you know, these could be two teams out of the playoffs at that point.
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  Maybe.
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  Although, we're we're already done.
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  We're gonna be two and six, looking like two and eight.
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  You guys at least should have a little bit more faith.
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  Man, thank god they banked these six wins so that we feel like there's a chance.
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  But I...
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  I'll tell you, whatever hope and optimism that I had for this team and this offense got
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  completely sucked out of me on Sunday watching Kyler Murray throw the ball around like a Pee
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  Wee football player.
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  Funny because I know guys in Pee Wee, they're actually bigger than he is.
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  Selly, did you watch the game?
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  Were you able to tune in from the East Coast and see any of the game?
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  I did.
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  I I had to go back and watch it on my own because the Jets actually played the same time,
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  and they took...
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  So we...
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  So everybody else got the Vikings lions as their national game, and we didn't because the
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  jets were playing in the same time spot on Fox.
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  But I I went back.
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  I watched the game, and I've watched every single piece of media coverage about the
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  Vikings as you can imagine.
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  I do it so Baba doesn't have to do it.
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  I watch all this stuff.
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  I saw enough on Sunday, Sully.
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  I saw enough.
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  One one watch is enough for me.
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  Oh, go ahead, Sully.
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  You go ahead.
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  You got it?
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  You got anything from me?
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  Well, I was just gonna ask coach, you
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  know,
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  in his time at coaching, we saw Jefferson on the sideline.
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  You could tell he was frustrated.
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  What I was gonna ask, coach, is is there a time where the...
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  Your captain or superstar player came to you and was like, dude, we need to make some
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  changes here because we ain't got it.
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  And what would your reaction be there, coach?
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  A 100%.
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  Actually, it was my first and second game with the Saint Paul Bears.
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  I had a wide receiver.
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  You know, all the talent in the world, but, you know, wouldn't know his routes.
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  Nothing like that.
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  Tried to give him a shot anyway because of the athleticism.
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  And he could jump up the gym, but, you know, when I got my starting quarterback, basically,
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  on the third play yelling, like, hey.
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  Get this guy out.
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  He's...
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  He doesn't know what he's doing.
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  Hey.
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  You trust your quarterback.
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  And,
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  you know, I straight up took him out.
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  Okay.
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  Speaking of trust your quarterback, Cody, do you feel like the Vikings team, not just the
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  coach, trust Kyler Murray as the quarterback of this team right now?
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  No.
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  I don't think they do.
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  And there's a certain quarterback plan for Oakland.
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  Was a trade in for.
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  Familiar with the offense.
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  I think we'd have a lot more confidence with him.
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  You know, obviously, the players are gonna say the right things.
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  He does give us, I think, the best chance to win just because he has that, running element
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  to his game, but, damn, it's getting rough.
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  Yeah.
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  Well...
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  But he's not using it.
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  And that's definitely been my pushback, these last...
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  And especially on Sunday, but you saw it, in the game prior as well that even when he has
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  opportunities to break containment and leave the pocket, he's not taking advantage of him,
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  or of those opportunities.
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  Right?
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  Moments where he could be gaining yards, and he's either kind of floundering in the pocket
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  and then taking a sack or throwing up absolutely, you know, passes with no
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  opportunities for anyone to make a catch on.
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  I...
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  I'm wondering what's going on inside of the head of the quarterback.
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  Maybe this hamstring thing happened during the game or or was affecting him for longer than
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  they're letting on.
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  It it just became an issue on Sunday after the game.
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  KOC had made mention of it, but I...
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  I'm very curious as to why one of the most athletic quarterbacks in the league and maybe
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  historically in the league, isn't using that athletic ability to get the team in positions
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  to win.
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  I'm not sure.
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  I mean, when you are that fast and you can be that that dynamic, like, you gotta take
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  advantage of it.
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  Even on the runs that I did see, that he does take, I feel like he doesn't...
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  He's not even sprinting.
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  I feel like he's just jogging and then, hey.
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  Let me get to the out of bounds real quick.
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  Like, I'm not saying be to Ash Allen and lower your shoulder, but give me a couple extra more.
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  Do...
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  Could could Tyler be overanalyzing things and over putting pressure on himself since this was
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  the team that he grew up watching, and he wants to do something for this fan base?
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  Is that...
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  Could that be a possibility?
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  Maybe.
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  But, no.
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  I...
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  It all depends.
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  I...
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  There might be some...
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  Something there, but, I mean, you're playing football.
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  At the end of the day, it's it's a team.
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  You know?
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  Well...
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  And now because of that hamstring, listed right now as questionable for the Monday night
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  football game against the Buffalo Bills.
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  We've seen this kind of rhetoric before from our head coach.
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  Do you think that this is a soft benching and a good excuse to try something different at the
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  quarterback position?
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  B, I'll start with you.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  I think if Kylie does not play on Sunday and it was a game time decision or they come out
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  midweek or Thursday, Friday and say, hey.
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  Kyle is gonna be out.
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  Yeah.
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  I think it's gonna be one of those where, hey.
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  We're gonna bench you.
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  Just...
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  Let's see what can do and go from there.
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  And if Wentz pulls the offense and we do something, we upset the Bills, then I have no
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  reason to sue Kyler Murray back in under center the rest of the year.
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  Sallie, I wanna ask you, and kinda kick a question over to you.
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  You grew up a Jets fan.
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  You've seen plenty of bad football of your own.
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  Who's to blame when an offense can't get going like this?
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  Is it the offensive play caller and head coach decision maker, or can this be all put on the
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  r...
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  The, you know, arm and legs that he's not using of the quarterback?
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  Well, from my experience, like, watching and then listening to a bunch of, like, old QBs,
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  because I think I think quarterbacks are, like, the best people to watch on this stuff.
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  Like, the...
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  Like, people who just break it down, like, the...
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  Especially, like, the backups because they a good job, like, to Chase Daniels to Chris Sims.
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  They'll tell you that, like, it's never really one...
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  It's rarely and I think coach might agree with this.
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  I think it's barely...
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  It's rarely one person's fault.
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  However, in a situation like this, you probably just have to change it up quarterback wide just
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  to at least give give the team a a spark just to see and, like...
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  Because you just because then it just becomes all all on Kyler, and it...
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  It's probably not all his fault.
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  There's, like, there's been some line issues.
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  He's been hurt.
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  It's not like they have all the time.
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  However, you just have to change things up to...
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  Just to find out if if it's him holding the team back.
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  And if it's not, then at least you can say you tried and you gave it a different thing.
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  But you have to at least, I think, at some point...
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  You don't have to start once.
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  I think you could start, Kyler.
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  But, like, at some point, if it's, like, looking pretty bad and you're at home this week
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  and it's a stand alone game, it's Monday night, so, like, the whole league is gonna be
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  watching, I I I think you...
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  I think Carson is probably gonna be seen at some point in the next game.
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  Go ahead, coach.
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  I'm I'm right there with you.
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  I mean, there's so many you know, football, it's a game within a game.
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  You know, it could be one play.
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  Justin Jefferson was open or something like that, and the offensive lineman, you know,
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  missed his block.
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  That might have been his only block that he missed that whole game, but that could have
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  been so many different factors.
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  But, I mean, if, you know, like, Selly
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  said, Monday night
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  football, if, Kyler's not performing, you have to make a statement.
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  Well...
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  And and I think that the quarterback lever is the easiest one to pull.
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  Right?
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  You can install a new offense.
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  You have the players that are here.
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  I don't think that finding a a trade partner outside of maybe a Kirk Cousins, which right
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  now, Oakland looks like they're about to play themselves into the playoffs, so they're not
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  gonna let the guy that's leading their team go, at least not for what would be a king's ransom
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  for a guy in his mid to late thirties at this point who who knows how much he actually has
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  left in the tank.
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  But even to bring him back in, the...
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  This lever to pull, this Carson Wentz, you know, button to push is the easiest one to make
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  right now and hopefully get something going.
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  But if...
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  As you're talking, right, and it's rarely just one thing, but doesn't lack of execution then
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  come back onto your offensive minded head coach?
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  Yeah.
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  I would say so.
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  Big b, what do you think?
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  No.
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  I'm with you guys.
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  I think if if we're not producing, something's gotta change, and, you know, we can't install a
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  new offense.
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  So coaches gotta take some blame for this and be like, okay.
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  We need to simplify this somehow.
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  What can we do?
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  What plays are working?
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  What plays aren't working?
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  And and go from there.
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  And I just think that this week is gonna be a tall...
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  A a tell.
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  Like Sully said, if if Kyle starts, he's on a short lease.
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  You know, if we end up losing ugly against the Bills, you gotta think McCarthy...
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  Or not McCarthy, but O'Connell's seat's starting to flare up a little bit.
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  You know?
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  So, you know Oh, his seat better be hot to the touch.
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  For my money, he he...
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  His seat is already hot to the touch right now.
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  And with every game that goes by...
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  And even if you win, if the offense doesn't look competent, it gets a notch hotter and a
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  notch hotter until end of the season, it is boiling over.
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  He needs to have some pressure applied to him at this point because it's his side of the ball
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  that is failing miserably.
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  And that's where I'm at.
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  I I I tried to have the optimism.
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  I'm not gonna be an eternal optimist with this.
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  You've been selling us a bill of goods that we just need to get Kyler comfortable.
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  We just need a little bit of time.
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  It is week nine of the season right now.
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  We are halfway through the season.
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  You're about to lose anything that you could maybe add to this team with the trade deadline
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  approaching next week.
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  And if you can't get it going, I don't know why anyone would have any faith in you turning it
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  around all of a sudden.
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  This isn't just a this year problem.
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  This is all of last year's problem as well until you came to the end of the season.
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  You changed things a little bit.
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  What really pissed me off about Sunday is that he went right back to his old tricks, throwing
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  the ball 70% of the time, and it looked like ass.
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  And I just...
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  It it frustrates the hell out of me to watch him go back to what wasn't working at the
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  beginning of last year, and now we're going away from the things that did work and got you
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  to six wins, and you are reverting to your old ways.
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  That tells me that this coach is completely lost, not just as a play caller, but as a
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  decision maker as well.
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  Mhmm.
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  No.
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  You're right.
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  And I know there's...
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  You know, listening to K fan and some social media, reading out Facebook.
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  Lot of people are hope...
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  Wishing that somebody would step in and tell KLC to call the plays, and let's see if that's
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  a difference.
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  You know?
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  So, Cody, I know you're
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  ready to call plays.
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  But I've I've talked about this extensively now is that this coach, because of the way he set
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  his staff up, there is no one waiting in the wings to take that job.
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  And he hires people that are like that.
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  So guys that are scared of someone taking their job, they hire a b, and then a b hires a c.
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  You don't build championship cultures by doing that.
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  You want a game players, and he has never done that.
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  Wes Phillips was never gonna be given the ability to call plays or to grow.
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  He's got a bunch of yes men on this squad, and the only one that probably gives him any
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  pushback is Brian Flores.
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  And he has every right to at this point.
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  And something I addressed off the top of the show and kinda asked to you, coach, and I'll
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  reiterate here.
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  If this Vikings offense can't right the ship and they go and lose the next two or three more
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  games in a row, is is it the possibility now of losing that locker room and realizing that this
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  is slipping away faster than we can grab onto it.
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  B?
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  Yeah.
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  You're you're exactly right.
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  It is one of those where, you know, this...
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  I mean, we talked about a little bit behind stage, backstage a little bit.
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  You know, these losses start adding up, and we're going to...
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  His seat's gonna get hotter, and he might be the first coach to get fired after starting six
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  and o.
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  I don't...
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  I can't recall a coach that's gotten fired, you know, at the start of six and o and not making
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  the playoffs.
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  So What's up, Kev?
• 22:26
  Good to
• 22:27
  see
• 22:27
  Kevin?
• 22:30
  Sally, what are your thoughts?
• 22:32
  I mean, you you watched the game, watched it back.
• 22:36
  You know?
• 22:36
  What what was your take on the play calling and decision making by the head coach?
• 22:44
  Well, I'm a go with my boy Chris Sims who...
• 22:47
  He says he doesn't he doesn't think KOC trusts Kyler right now, which is proving with his play
• 22:54
  calling and his decision making.
• 22:56
  I don't know.
• 22:57
  It's just tough for me because I'm an outsider, obviously.
• 22:59
  It's just, like, a lot has changed in two years, which I know it can't.
• 23:04
  But, like, is there any way Josh McCown...
• 23:07
  I know I know he used to be a great...
• 23:09
  A cute any way he can call plays?
• 23:13
  I I know it's it's different.
• 23:15
  Wait.
• 23:15
  It's just...
• 23:16
  It for for me, Selly, and I'll I'll give you kind of a little backstory on KOC, he wants to
• 23:22
  be the quarterback so bad that this is how he hangs on to that.
• 23:27
  Right?
• 23:27
  The play calling means everything to him.
• 23:29
  He would rather die, I think, than to give up play calling.
• 23:33
  Right?
• 23:34
  So it's it's just a nonstarter.
• 23:36
  It's not going to happen.
• 23:38
  The only way you're gonna get someone else calling plays on this team is to fire him.
• 23:42
  Right?
• 23:43
  It's not going to happen, and I think he would tell you that even if somebody came to him and
• 23:48
  like you said, hey.
• 23:49
  Somebody else needs to call plays.
• 23:51
  He'd be like, well, I'm the only one with experience on it, and that reverts me back to
• 23:55
  the hiring processes that he has.
• 23:57
  The reason that he hires the guys that he does is because he's not afraid of them taking his
• 24:02
  job.
• 24:02
  There's no pressure from behind to make him great.
• 24:06
  Because if there was, he would falter just like he did as a player.
• 24:10
  So it is telling right now of who this man is.
• 24:15
  He has shown us time and time again who he is.
• 24:19
  I think he has no balls whatsoever.
• 24:22
  I think he makes extremely bad decisions.
• 24:25
  I can't believe you give the ball back and make your defense go out there and try to save your
• 24:30
  ass again because you don't trust the guy that you hand selected to come in and play for this
• 24:35
  team and that didn't get him ready to play.
• 24:38
  He is the one to blame for Kyler Murray not performing at the level that he should be
• 24:43
  solely, and that is it.
• 24:44
  End of story.
• 24:45
  Because we knew who Kyler was.
• 24:47
  We tried to say it.
• 24:48
  You told us differently.
• 24:50
  Now you lie in that bed.
• 24:52
  And and I can't...
• 24:53
  I have no faith in him figuring any of this out at this point whatsoever.
• 24:58
  Yeah.
• 24:59
  I'm starting
• 25:00
  to think that if we get news the next few days, then KLC has been let go.
• 25:05
  I think I think Bubba's gonna throw a party.
• 25:09
  I would be grateful.
• 25:11
  I...
• 25:11
  You know, I I don't wanna see anybody lose their job.
• 25:15
  But if you're not the right man for the job
• 25:17
  and
• 25:18
  you're not going to do it at the highest level, which this job in particular demands, then you
• 25:25
  need to see the door.
• 25:26
  And I don't care if somebody else picks him up or if he goes on to be a great coach somewhere
• 25:30
  else.
• 25:31
  He...
• 25:31
  He's not getting pressure applied to him Yep.
• 25:35
  From ownership, from inside of that building, because anybody who pushes back against him,
• 25:39
  just like JJ McCarthy, gets shown the door.
• 25:44
  Yep.
• 25:45
  No different than what's his name that they let go of before too.
• 25:48
  Anybody who pushes back against him and says, hey, man.
• 25:52
  You're you're...
• 25:53
  I I don't think that this is working.
• 25:55
  Can we try this instead of that?
• 25:57
  Gets shown the door.
• 25:59
  It's his way or the highway, and his highway is going straight up a cliff right now.
• 26:04
  And I'm not interested in following it out there.
• 26:07
  And, unfortunately, we are all strapped in on this ride and watching this train wreck week
• 26:13
  after week.
• 26:13
  It sucks.
• 26:14
  And, Kev, how are we feeling about the North?
• 26:17
  Good luck right now to anybody that stands in front of Chicago.
• 26:20
  Jeffrey Simmons is a freaking animal.
• 26:23
  He changed that team.
• 26:24
  They got Tez back at the same time.
• 26:26
  That team looks like...
• 26:28
  I don't think there's anyone that's going to stand in their way.
• 26:30
  We knew they could put up points.
• 26:32
  And kudos to their GM for going for it.
• 26:35
  Right?
• 26:36
  For saying, hey.
• 26:37
  This is our moment.
• 26:38
  We're going for it.
• 26:39
  And kudos, I wanna say, to Dolan Teasley, who I think is holding his cards, seeing the writing
• 26:45
  on the wall with this coach, who by the end of the season might be a complete lame duck and
• 26:50
  going, I think I'm gonna save my picks for rebuilding this team.
• 26:54
  We got a lot of free agents that are coming up off the board.
• 26:58
  This team isn't a Super Bowl contender, and it's it's not worth me spending a bunch of
• 27:04
  capital to try and put lipstick on a pig.
• 27:07
  It is what it is.
• 27:08
  I'm a let it ride out.
• 27:09
  They made all of these decisions before I got here.
• 27:12
  I have no skin in the game.
• 27:14
  I don't have to do shit, and I wouldn't.
• 27:18
  No.
• 27:18
  And you're and you're right.
• 27:19
  Everything was done before he got here.
• 27:21
  So, again, you don't...
• 27:23
  He doesn't have ties to this coach.
• 27:25
  He doesn't have ties to Kyler Murray.
• 27:28
  I mean, the only one that he has ties to is Ziggy Wolf and to make this team better.
• 27:34
  It's just crazy.
• 27:41
  Like, I...
• 27:42
  It's just funny.
• 27:43
  Like, I'd never thought it would get to this point because I just...
• 27:48
  I don't know.
• 27:49
  It's just always weird because you never think that, like, coaches forget football or just
• 27:53
  don't know.
• 27:54
  But, yeah, it's just not looking good right now.
• 27:57
  And it's just like like, I don't know how familiar you guys are with, like, the Michigan
• 28:01
  football situation, but it's kinda like the same thing.
• 28:03
  Like, they had to bench their QB.
• 28:05
  Even though the the freshman QB is not doing that much better, they still have to make a
• 28:09
  change just for the sake just for the sake of doing it.
• 28:13
  Because you just can't keep rolling out the...
• 28:15
  Because then you just kinda feel bad for Kyler too because it's like, now Kyler's gonna get
• 28:19
  scapegoated.
• 28:20
  But, like, we still don't know if he's the actual one who's the problem or not, but you
• 28:23
  have to find out.
• 28:25
  I'd I'd think his play the last few weeks, like, his career might be...
• 28:30
  Like, his career starting in this league, it's done.
• 28:33
  I don't think any other team's gonna give him a chance.
• 28:36
  I don't know if there was that many chances for him out there to begin with, and that's how he
• 28:40
  ended up with the Vikings.
• 28:41
  Right?
• 28:41
  Yes.
• 28:42
  Was it an attractive situation?
• 28:43
  But, you know, I had thought there would be a bunch of other teams, but he could have gone
• 28:48
  other places and maybe gotten paid more than a vet minimum elsewhere too.
• 28:52
  So I I...
• 28:54
  I'm curious, and I almost feel bad for Kyler because it's like, look, brother.
• 28:58
  I'm sorry.
• 28:58
  This coach did you no favors between the sham competition this summer, you not getting all of
• 29:03
  the reps, and then putting you in an offensive system that doesn't play to your strengths.
• 29:09
  He's costing you millions of dollars right now every single game.
• 29:15
  Yeah.
• 29:15
  No.
• 29:15
  You're right on that, and it just doesn't seem like...
• 29:20
  I mean, back in the old school days, it seems like the quarterback had more control of the
• 29:24
  offense.
• 29:24
  Hey.
• 29:25
  If you see a different coverage, change up the play.
• 29:29
  You know, make your audibles.
• 29:30
  It doesn't seem like, at least for Minnesota, that Kevin O'Connell's given our quarterbacks
• 29:37
  that opportunity to...
• 29:38
  If you see a different coverage, let's call a different play.
• 29:40
  It's all...
• 29:41
  It's...
• 29:41
  This is the play we're running, and you're gonna do it.
• 29:45
  I think the playbook just sucks.
• 29:47
  Coach, do you have a a opinion on what you see on tape?
• 29:52
  I don't know if you get a chance to watch some of the all 22.
• 29:55
  But looking at it from a defensive, perspective, do you feel like this offense is
• 30:00
  very easy to defend against?
• 30:03
  Yeah.
• 30:04
  100%.
• 30:06
  You know, lock down the outside.
• 30:08
  You don't have to worry really about the middle because Kyler can't see over the middle.
• 30:12
  We've actually brought it up before the season began.
• 30:17
  Like, hey.
• 30:18
  If KOC can't step it up, you know, one of the hottest, assistant coaches right now, pause,
• 30:25
  like, is b flow.
• 30:29
  And why not...
• 30:31
  If if KOC can't get it done, ship them out the door.
• 30:34
  You got your next head coach right there.
• 30:36
  Yep.
• 30:38
  Yep.
• 30:38
  Well, we got our guy, Kevin Cherry, backstage.
• 30:41
  We're gonna bring him in.
• 30:42
  I'm sure he's flying high after his bears performance last night.
• 30:46
  No doubt.
• 30:47
  Did you bring him up?
• 30:48
  I'm in the mic.
• 30:52
  What's up, Kev?
• 30:53
  How's it going, boys?
• 30:55
  How are doing?
• 30:57
  We're good, man.
• 30:58
  How are you, bud?
• 31:00
  Doing pretty good.
• 31:01
  Just got back from Florida.
• 31:04
  Oh, you're gonna rub that in too.
• 31:07
  It was lot of lot of walkings.
• 31:10
  I'll tell you that.
• 31:11
  A lot of walking.
• 31:13
  Take care of the last time.
• 31:14
  Well, Kev, did you have a chance to watch this, awesome game between division rivals in the
• 31:20
  North, the the lions and vikings?
• 31:24
  Yeah.
• 31:24
  I I actually watched a little bit.
• 31:27
  I think it was the fourth quarter I watched, and that that offense, it it looked like it was
• 31:33
  struggling.
• 31:34
  Not gonna lie.
• 31:34
  Like, it...
• 31:36
  You know, you had the one good week from Kyler, but other than that, you know, they have not
• 31:40
  figured out anything on offense.
• 31:44
  I mean, you know, your defense can only do so much, and they've been keeping them in games
• 31:49
  all season.
• 31:50
  And now you're getting into a tough stretch of really good, you know, teams that are probably
• 31:56
  gonna make the playoffs.
• 31:58
  You know, you got the Bills.
• 32:00
  You got the Lions, 40 niners.
• 32:02
  You know, you even got the packers in there.
• 32:04
  And, you know, you have the you have the falcons there who just beat the undefeated
• 32:08
  forty niners last week.
• 32:10
  So it's definitely...
• 32:12
  You know, it's like, okay.
• 32:14
  You know what?
• 32:14
  Our defense isn't gonna be able to hold our...
• 32:16
  Hold ourselves, but the offense needs to step up.
• 32:19
  And I don't think we've seen any progress in the offense at all.
• 32:27
  No.
• 32:27
  And in many ways, I feel like it's it's regressing.
• 32:30
  It's it's moving backwards at this point, but who is not moving backwards is Kevin's bears
• 32:37
  who looked nearly unbeatable last night in Seattle.
• 32:42
  Kevin, what'd you think of the new addition on the offensive...
• 32:46
  Or on the defensive line?
• 32:49
  I mean, I look at it at, you know, two ways here.
• 32:53
  I look at it as, yeah, you you spent your two first round picks on, you know, arguably the
• 32:58
  best, you know, d linemen in the NFL are...
• 33:01
  You know you know, he's definitely top five for sure.
• 33:04
  You know, you send two first round picks.
• 33:06
  You send pretty much your future there, for him.
• 33:10
  And then I look at it as in, alright.
• 33:12
  You just sent our first round picks over there.
• 33:14
  You better be resigning him because I'm pretty sure he's a free agent after this season.
• 33:19
  So I look at it as in, yeah, you better hope we win the Super Bowl, because if not, you just
• 33:25
  wasted two first round picks.
• 33:27
  I mean, you didn't really you didn't really waste them, but you did get, you know, a guy
• 33:31
  that you're not...
• 33:32
  You know, if you don't resign them, you pretty much just gave away all your future picks.
• 33:37
  Mhmm.
• 33:38
  Like, I don't, you know, disagree with the move.
• 33:42
  I know we needed a lot of help on the defense.
• 33:44
  And the, you know, the biggest thing about it is now...
• 33:48
  I even said this in the chat is Montez Sweat's gonna get his one on one matches now.
• 33:53
  He's not gonna be double teamed, and Jeffrey Simmons is gonna be one double team that takes
• 33:59
  a lot of the eye off Montez sweat who's gonna get his sacks now.
• 34:02
  He's gonna get his tackle for losses, putting a lot more pressure on the quarterback.
• 34:07
  Because that was the thing with Chicago is they did not have they did not have, you know,
• 34:13
  enough on the defensive side to put pressure onto the quarterbacks.
• 34:18
  So bringing him in, not only does it take off, you know, pressure of Montezuet, it also puts
• 34:23
  another threat on the defensive line to get pressure onto a quarterback.
• 34:28
  And, you know, it also helps the linebackers and takes a little bit of stress off of them to
• 34:33
  try to hold that, you know, weight that they have to put pressure because the other linemen
• 34:38
  aren't getting the pressure they need.
• 34:43
  Yeah.
• 34:43
  I was impressed.
• 34:44
  It it doesn't take much to to watch the guy play and to understand that, he's an impact
• 34:52
  player and adding it to a defense that wasn't bad, but they were, you know, middle to bottom
• 34:57
  third in the league.
• 34:59
  Without it, they just moved themselves into top half, maybe top 10.
• 35:05
  I don't know if the stats will prove it, but I think people are going to be afraid to play
• 35:10
  that team and to play against that defense now, especially if they're seeing, what they were
• 35:15
  able to do, against the defending champs and the seahawks last night.
• 35:19
  So I was I was impressed and, definitely worried about when we face the bears at the end
• 35:26
  of the season.
• 35:26
  Now lucky us, the Vikings might be out of the playoff race at that point, and the bears may
• 35:31
  have already locked up their their position here.
• 35:35
  So for for my money, they probably have to be the odds on favorite with the additions made.
• 35:41
  And I don't know that there's anything that the Vikings can do to catch up to that at this
• 35:45
  point.
• 35:45
  I don't know that a Jonathan Taylor moves the needle in that.
• 35:49
  I don't know that you're adding.
• 35:50
  And, really, he's the only top flight player out there that really adds something to it.
• 35:55
  And I don't know that any other team can really do enough.
• 35:59
  So barring any injury for me, I I think the bears have become the favorite to not just, you
• 36:05
  know, go far in the playoffs, but but to go win a Super Bowl this year.
• 36:09
  And, you know, that was up to their GM, and you're hoping that he had some inclination
• 36:14
  there, you know, knowing that you're trading the two first rounders that you would get a
• 36:20
  long term deal done with Jeffrey Simmons as well.
• 36:23
  Yeah.
• 36:27
  No.
• 36:27
  I...
• 36:28
  You know, that's...
• 36:28
  What it comes down to is if you're, you know, spending those two first round picks for now or
• 36:36
  if you're doing that for a, you know, contract extension.
• 36:40
  You know?
• 36:41
  It comes down to, okay.
• 36:43
  We're we're giving our two first round picks because we think we have the team to win the
• 36:46
  Super Bowl, and you're only hoping it's a, you know, a one year deal, you know, just have them
• 36:51
  for the rest of this this season.
• 36:53
  Or if the bears are like, you know what?
• 36:54
  I don't think there's much we need to do in the draft, so let's give up our first round picks
• 37:00
  and just extend this guy and trade for him.
• 37:02
  Because I was reading an article that the titans weren't really even interested in
• 37:06
  trading Jeffrey Simmons.
• 37:08
  They they...
• 37:09
  You know, it sounded like they were gonna be asking for quite a bit for him, and and then it
• 37:13
  looks like Chicago came in there making some phone calls like, hey.
• 37:17
  Well, we're gonna start off the talks of here's two first round picks for Jeffrey Simmons.
• 37:23
  You know, what what is the asking price?
• 37:25
  And, apparently, that was enough.
• 37:27
  But me personally, if I'm Chicago, even if you do win the Super Bowl this year, which, you
• 37:32
  know, I would hope hope for, I still think you extend them.
• 37:37
  I mean, like, I mean, you gave up this year and next year's first round.
• 37:41
  So I I think you go out there even if you, you know, win or don't win the Super Bowl, you
• 37:46
  extend him because you have that defense who's still gonna need the help.
• 37:52
  And the problem with that is is, you know, with Chicago is we don't have the cap space.
• 37:58
  That is our biggest issue right now is we do not have a lot of money.
• 38:03
  And, but there are a couple people that Chicago could let go of, like a Jaylen Johnson and, you
• 38:12
  know, maybe it's time to move on from Cole Kmet because you do have Loveland there, and you
• 38:16
  just drafted that rookie.
• 38:19
  You know, maybe you move on from a Tyreek Stevenson, you know, even though he's younger.
• 38:25
  But there there are some pieces that we are definitely overpaying that we could either try
• 38:30
  to move on from or don't extend, when it comes to the off season because is not playing at his
• 38:37
  all pro corner like he's done the last couple seasons, and I think it's
• 38:41
  Yeah.
• 38:41
  No.
• 38:41
  He got paid and checked out.
• 38:44
  Kev, I am getting a little bit of feedback from your microphone, so I'll just have you on mute,
• 38:49
  when you're not talking and keep that rolling.
• 38:52
  I do wanna get your thoughts on it because as a bears fan, you've been through some really
• 38:59
  tough times as well.
• 39:00
  I know that better than most.
• 39:03
  Do you think that if KOC can't right the ship that he will lose this locker room before the
• 39:11
  season is done?
• 39:12
  Oh, yeah.
• 39:14
  For sure.
• 39:15
  If if he can't figure out something with with this offense, you know, he...
• 39:19
  Like you said, you know, he he said Kyler Murray is the guy.
• 39:23
  You know, he's saying he's going to be our quarterback.
• 39:25
  And if you can't figure that out and see that, hey.
• 39:29
  This is not working out.
• 39:30
  He...
• 39:31
  He's gonna he's gonna be gone.
• 39:32
  And,
• 39:33
  you know, there's options out there for the Vikings to go after next year.
• 39:36
  Like, for example, Mike Tomlin, he didn't say no to not coming back to a coaching career.
• 39:41
  Maybe bringing Mike Tomlin or, like you guys were saying, maybe you give Brian Flores the
• 39:45
  coaching position and you, you know, you just let him take over the coaching and the
• 39:49
  defensive coordinator's position.
• 39:52
  I...
• 39:52
  But I totally agree.
• 39:53
  I think if he can't figure out this offense, you know, and get something going...
• 39:59
  The run game's been...
• 40:00
  You know, it's been pretty average, I would say.
• 40:03
  So I don't think it's the run game, but it's it's a 110% the pass game.
• 40:07
  Like I said, you had Kyler Murray with that one good game, and that that was that was it.
• 40:11
  And other than that, he has not shown any promise.
• 40:13
  He hasn't shown anything.
• 40:15
  I know a lot of Vikings fans were pretty pretty ecstatic when they got him.
• 40:20
  They were hoping to maybe revive his career there in Minnesota.
• 40:24
  And even being a bears fan, I was hoping the same thing for Minnesota.
• 40:28
  I mean, gosh.
• 40:29
  Look.
• 40:29
  You guys got rid of Daniel Jones who's been...
• 40:31
  Who was decent when you guys let go of him, and Sam Darna went out and won a Super Bowl after
• 40:36
  leaving Minnesota.
• 40:38
  So I was hoping, okay.
• 40:39
  Bringing in Kyler Murray, you know, a guy who has potential and just hasn't been able to do
• 40:44
  it due to injuries and playing in Arizona that maybe, you know, this revives his career, but
• 40:51
  clearly, it is not.
• 40:54
  Well, Kev, I appreciate you.
• 40:56
  Welcome back from Florida.
• 40:58
  I'm a let you go and get unpacked.
• 41:00
  We will see you Monday night.
• 41:02
  Right?
• 41:06
  Yeah.
• 41:06
  My plan is to be there Monday night unless I have some more car troubles.
• 41:09
  But...
• 41:09
  Yeah.
• 41:10
  We'll find a way, Kev.
• 41:13
  Appreciate you, brother.
• 41:14
  Have a great rest of your night.
• 41:15
  Thanks for tapping in, man.
• 41:17
  Of course.
• 41:17
  You guys have a great rest of your night.
• 41:22
  Awesome.
• 41:22
  Our guy, Kevin Cherry, he will be with us on Monday.
• 41:26
  We will be down at Fathead Bills with our friends, not just, you know, the VWO, but we
• 41:34
  got the Valhalla squad down there.
• 41:36
  We got CrewLife Minnesota down there.
• 41:39
  Obviously, our guy Rob Haspels and I are gonna be going to the game.
• 41:44
  Thank you, Minnesota Vikings, for that allowing me to take and honor, our friend and veteran.
• 41:51
  Twenty four years, I think, he was, in the service.
• 41:55
  So really grateful to Rob and glad that we get to go share this experience together.
• 42:00
  The salute to service game.
• 42:01
  It's gonna be an incredible experience.
• 42:03
  I hope the football action lives up to the hype that there...
• 42:08
  There's going to be just being a Monday night football game in general.
• 42:14
  Coach, what do you think can happen in a short turnaround like this that can bring some
• 42:21
  improvement to this team and possibly come out with a win on Monday against Buffalo?
• 42:29
  Well, I mean, just the fact that they got literally punched in the mouth.
• 42:33
  You know?
• 42:34
  You gotta...
• 42:36
  Sometimes you gotta realize shit ain't sweet, and you gotta work for it.
• 42:40
  And, hopefully, you know, they took this on the chin and got to work and are gonna switch
• 42:48
  things around.
• 42:49
  We'll have to see, though.
• 42:54
  How do you feel?
• 42:55
  Do you...
• 42:55
  Is there a percentage chance you put on it that they figure it out this week that for whatever
• 43:01
  reason, whether it's a quarterback change or the coach?
• 43:05
  I'm sorry.
• 43:06
  I I don't know.
• 43:07
  I have no faith in the coach whatsoever.
• 43:09
  But it is a simple thing like a quarterback change.
• 43:12
  Is that enough to get this offense going in the right direction and allowing this defense to
• 43:19
  just rest a little bit and and to go and play at that high level for all four quarters.
• 43:24
  I mean, yeah, a quarterback change, that can help.
• 43:28
  Something so simple as that, but, percentage that I think they're gonna figure it out, 30.
• 43:36
  That might be generous too.
• 43:38
  Yeah.
• 43:42
  Alright.
• 43:43
  It sucks, man.
• 43:44
  A week ago, six and o.
• 43:46
  Now I I wasn't on the train that, this team was going to win the Super Bowl, but because you
• 43:53
  started six and o, my expectation now was, you better go win it all.
• 43:58
  Right?
• 43:59
  You have this guy.
• 44:00
  You're telling me as the head coach that we're gonna figure this out.
• 44:04
  We're real close.
• 44:06
  He's getting comfortable.
• 44:07
  It's gonna happen.
• 44:09
  And then you go out and lay an egg week after week after week.
• 44:13
  At some point, I'm the idiot for believing you.
• 44:16
  So I no longer believe, and I feel like the coach and this offensive staff have to prove it
• 44:22
  to me now, and you got a lot of proving to do.
• 44:27
  No.
• 44:27
  You're right, Bubba.
• 44:28
  It is one of those where they gotta come to us and show us that they're making changes
• 44:35
  because, you know, like you said, you fed us this whole thing that there's a quarterback
• 44:40
  controversy.
• 44:41
  Keller wins it.
• 44:42
  You back.
• 44:44
  You know, he came out, made his comments.
• 44:47
  You're six and o.
• 44:48
  Offense looks good this game, but now you come back after the bye week and, you know, you look
• 44:56
  you look okay against the Colts and the division rival, and you go back to week one or
• 45:04
  week two against the bears where you couldn't move the ball and the defense is on the field
• 45:09
  forever, and they're making mistake tackles.
• 45:12
  I mean, they had, what, 20 missed tackles on the defense, and most of those are in the
• 45:16
  second half.
• 45:17
  So that's not a defense that Flores entails, so something's gotta change.
• 45:27
  Sallie, what do you think?
• 45:29
  Yeah.
• 45:31
  I'm just big on just, like, giving Carson a chance.
• 45:34
  Now like I said, he doesn't have to start the game, But, like, if it looks bad...
• 45:38
  And I don't know how Minnesota is, how...
• 45:40
  If you guys boo or not, you guys are booing, fan base like they are up here in New York.
• 45:47
  Just giving Carson a chance because the deep...
• 45:51
  It's gonna become offense versus defense really fast, and it's something he don't want as a
• 45:56
  football team.
• 45:56
  I know coach can attest to it.
• 45:58
  Like, if the defense is gonna be like, hey.
• 46:00
  We're doing everything we can.
• 46:02
  We can't be perfect every single drive.
• 46:05
  Like, they're gonna just start looking, then Justin not even talking to the media.
• 46:09
  So, like, he's tried his best to be a good a good teammate this whole time, and he...
• 46:14
  Even he couldn't hold it in anymore.
• 46:17
  At some point, you don't wanna lose the...
• 46:19
  Your defense plus your best player on the whole team.
• 46:22
  You don't...
• 46:23
  You you just you just have to change it up, like I said, whether it's putting Carson in at
• 46:30
  first.
• 46:30
  And if Carson...
• 46:31
  If it's not working with Carson, then giving up the play calling because like you guys said, as
• 46:36
  much as...
• 46:37
  It's hard to believe even for me, his job could be on the line.
• 46:41
  This GM didn't hire him.
• 46:43
  He's not his guy.
• 46:45
  And if it goes bad really fast, you can end up being the last place team in the division
• 46:51
  because every team in this division is good.
• 46:54
  So you just you just have to...
• 46:57
  Unless he wants to be the coach of the New York Jets next year, he has to get it together.
• 47:01
  Hey.
• 47:01
  You know what?
• 47:02
  That's a good fit.
• 47:03
  I think I heard the Purple Daily guy suggesting maybe a trade.
• 47:06
  Like, you know what?
• 47:07
  We'll we'll figure something out.
• 47:09
  What do they got that Breeze Hall?
• 47:10
  Right?
• 47:11
  They're running back.
• 47:13
  You will take him and Gino for KOC.
• 47:16
  What what else you got?
• 47:17
  But I had Gino for the cheap.
• 47:18
  I mean, we got Gino for a six round pick.
• 47:21
  And Gino's
• 47:22
  Brother, we we know, Selly.
• 47:24
  We know.
• 47:24
  We were told that Kyler Murray was the answer.
• 47:27
  I think there would have been a lot of guys.
• 47:29
  And, I mean, what the the shame of it is is that...
• 47:31
  And you're seeing it kinda play out in New York, and and I've promised to not say his name
• 47:36
  on here, but you had a quarterback that was good enough to put on the field.
• 47:42
  You you had that, and you sold us that.
• 47:45
  He wasn't good enough.
• 47:46
  You sold him for essentially nothing.
• 47:48
  A fifth round pick, how many of those guys even make the league, and then he goes out and
• 47:52
  throws for more yards than your quarterback has in the, like, the whole season.
• 47:59
  Right?
• 47:59
  JJ on pace right now for, like, 800 yards.
• 48:02
  He's seventieth in targets or something crazy.
• 48:06
  Like, it's it's belligerent, right now and absolutely bananas that we're having these
• 48:12
  conversations with an offensive minded head coach.
• 48:15
  It's absolutely crazy.
• 48:17
  And and the thing is is if we're gonna keep these picks going into next year...
• 48:21
  I mean, Bubba, I think you said it earlier in the year that you don't want the team to spend
• 48:27
  a first round pick on a quarterback because they can't develop a quarterback.
• 48:31
  Honestly, I don't wanna
• 48:32
  coaching staff.
• 48:34
  That's what I was gonna say.
• 48:35
  With this coaching staff, I don't wanna see who draft any quarterbacks in the league, you know,
• 48:39
  in in this draft.
• 48:40
  Go out
• 48:41
  and No.
• 48:41
  And you're not gonna be you're not gonna be close enough to the top anyway.
• 48:45
  Right?
• 48:45
  I mean, there's not a lot of guys that end up successful on I mean, in
• 48:49
  middle draft.
• 48:50
  I don't want them to draft a quarterback.
• 48:52
  Now if KLC's not here, okay.
• 48:54
  Let's bring another coach or Flores and...
• 48:57
  Okay.
• 48:58
  You wanna draft a quarterback?
• 48:59
  Let's see how you could develop a quarterback.
• 49:01
  You know?
• 49:02
  Then I I might be interested.
• 49:04
  There's a lot to happen here.
• 49:05
  I know the wolves aren't quick to pull the trigger on firing him.
• 49:09
  I know he's not gonna end up giving up play calling.
• 49:12
  Right?
• 49:12
  So a lot of these things are just moot points.
• 49:14
  Right?
• 49:15
  We're like, oh, they should do this.
• 49:16
  They should do that.
• 49:16
  They're not going to do that.
• 49:18
  It's not going to happen.
• 49:20
  Right?
• 49:20
  So, like, we're just gonna have to suffer watching this.
• 49:23
  And if the Carson thing doesn't work, like, we are stuck with this.
• 49:28
  There's no help coming, and that's kind of been my point in talking the last few days is, like,
• 49:33
  this is what it is.
• 49:34
  Look.
• 49:34
  KOC made his bed in the offseason.
• 49:38
  The wolves made their bed when they didn't hire a GM.
• 49:41
  And then when they did bring one in, they didn't put them above Kevin O'Connell.
• 49:46
  They put him next to Kevin O'Connell.
• 49:49
  Right?
• 49:49
  So even Teasley can't come out tomorrow and be like, I'm making a decision to fire Kevin
• 49:55
  O'Connell.
• 49:56
  That's not how this is...
• 49:57
  This this organization is structured right now.
• 50:01
  They gave this man more and more power because he was holding their feet over the fire.
• 50:06
  He scapegoated everyone else around him, whether it was people on the coaching staff,
• 50:10
  whether it was Kwazi, whether it was the former starting quarterback.
• 50:14
  There is no one left to blame right now whatsoever.
• 50:18
  If this ship goes down, then I want him at the helm like the Titanic and to go down with the
• 50:24
  ship.
• 50:25
  And that's exactly how it's gonna happen.
• 50:26
  There's no one left to blame but Kevin O'Connell, and he's either gotta figure it out
• 50:32
  or go down with the ship and look for a new job elsewhere next year.
• 50:36
  And whether it's elevating Brian Flores and you're hiring an offensive coordinator, I don't
• 50:42
  I don't know.
• 50:43
  I like the Tomlin idea as coming in as a offensive minded, but not an offensive play
• 50:49
  caller, like, have to stranglehold that.
• 50:52
  Right?
• 50:53
  Offensive minded guy, I think a pretty damn good head coach that could bring in people and
• 50:59
  having a network, which is something I talked about on rap show is like, look.
• 51:03
  Some of these guys, when they come in and they are becoming a head coach for the first time,
• 51:09
  they don't have enough cachet in the league to bring high caliber talent with them.
• 51:15
  So they are elevating guys below them, and that's exactly what you saw from Kevin
• 51:19
  O'Connell.
• 51:20
  I think he was lucky that Brian Flores was trying to sue the league and was kind of a bad
• 51:25
  guy, when he hired him, and he's been very fortunate to have him.
• 51:29
  But I I just don't I just don't see things going very well right now.
• 51:34
  Right, coach?
• 51:34
  If it's 30% that they're gonna, figure it out this week and see some change, then, and I
• 51:42
  think that dwindles over time.
• 51:43
  What's up, Bob?
• 51:44
  Good to have you, man.
• 51:45
  That must mean that rap rap closed his show up here recently.
• 51:53
  No.
• 51:54
  You...
• 51:54
  I mean...
• 51:55
  Oh, go
• 51:56
  Go ahead, Pete.
• 51:57
  No.
• 51:57
  I I think everything you said is right, and I think most of the fan base is, you know, on
• 52:04
  your side.
• 52:05
  The one thing that I saw a lot and I can't blame the defense for this is a lot of people
• 52:11
  are blaming the defense.
• 52:12
  This is like, dude, the defense has been out out there more than they should have been,
• 52:17
  especially the second half.
• 52:19
  They're tired.
• 52:20
  Plays.
• 52:21
  68 plays and 30 of those were getting the ball run down your throat.
• 52:26
  That is now San Francisco might run the ball 50 times against us in Mexico City.
• 52:31
  You're playing at elevation.
• 52:33
  Nobody's gonna be prepared for that.
• 52:35
  Teams are going to pound the rock.
• 52:37
  That is going to be how they attack this defense from now on.
• 52:41
  It doesn't...
• 52:42
  They're not gonna drop back and let you bring all the pressure and to do that against them.
• 52:46
  I don't know why team...
• 52:47
  Well, you were playing bad teams.
• 52:49
  That's why they continue to kind of beat their head against the wall.
• 52:54
  Good teams are just gonna keep handing the ball off.
• 52:56
  And even if it doesn't work consistently, it's gonna be a play action on first down, run, run,
• 53:03
  and probably getting a a first down or enough first downs to keep your offense humming.
• 53:08
  And, yeah, we're we're in trouble.
• 53:10
  Because I I don't wanna say they, like, got exposed in the way that, oh, you got exposed
• 53:16
  and got routed.
• 53:18
  I don't think anytime is going to route this team.
• 53:20
  But if your offense is completely inept, which it is, then teams are more than capable of just
• 53:27
  pounding you into the ground and winning by five to eight points all of the games.
• 53:33
  So at the end of the year, you're gonna be like, well, they didn't really lose any of
• 53:36
  them.
• 53:36
  Yeah.
• 53:36
  But they never had a chance to win either.
• 53:39
  And right now, that's how I feel.
• 53:41
  Right?
• 53:41
  Like, that's the disgust that I feel is that even with the defense playing out of its mind
• 53:46
  and holding to Detroit to 19 points, you couldn't muster anything that I would call
• 53:51
  close to an NFL offense for four quarters.
• 53:54
  You had two good drives.
• 53:56
  That was it.
• 53:57
  Yeah.
• 53:57
  I mean, we're we're almost looking at that that we need our defense to have at least...
• 54:03
  With special teams, they got to score two touchdowns for us to have a chance to win these
• 54:08
  games.
• 54:09
  Yeah.
• 54:10
  Yeah.
• 54:11
  Which is ridiculous.
• 54:14
  Yeah.
• 54:14
  The thing is too, the Bills the Bills...
• 54:17
  I don't even...
• 54:17
  Their defense is ranked, last or second to last.
• 54:21
  Well, we could find out right now.
• 54:23
  Detroit's defense was terrible, and they lost five guys.
• 54:27
  Five guys during the game.
• 54:29
  Brandon I think and that's the biggest thing.
• 54:31
  Knocked each other the out.
• 54:33
  Right?
• 54:33
  Like, they...
• 54:34
  You...
• 54:34
  Two of their best players knocked each other out, which could have been horrible.
• 54:38
  If Jefferson doesn't duck his head out of the way at the last second there, we're looking at
• 54:43
  our best player being on the sideline as well.
• 54:46
  Might have knocked all three of them out.
• 54:47
  And then Campbell goes down.
• 54:49
  They had nobody on their defense at the end of the game, and you don't even wanna go for it on
• 54:52
  fourth down with three minutes left.
• 54:54
  That guy's a...
• 54:56
  That that...
• 54:57
  This coach, man, I'm so...
• 54:59
  I'm sick of it.
• 55:00
  I was sick of the play calling last year, and and we talked about it.
• 55:04
  It was weird because we started the show and then they started winning, but it was on
• 55:07
  display.
• 55:08
  It was on display all of the beginning of last year, and then he reverted right back to it.
• 55:14
  Right back to it after you won six games, pounding the rock, and controlling time of
• 55:19
  possession, not turning the ball over.
• 55:22
  All of that went out the window on on Sunday.
• 55:25
  All of it.
• 55:25
  And you lost, and you got embarrassed.
• 55:27
  And I don't know if I don't know if KOC has the wherewithal to write this ship and course
• 55:33
  correct right now.
• 55:35
  I have no idea.
• 55:36
  Bill's defense overall is a twenty third worst defense.
• 55:43
  So not great, but probably good enough when you're able to go out there and put up 30
• 55:48
  points a game.
• 55:50
  Yep.
• 55:51
  Yep.
• 55:52
  Because even if you don't put up 30, all you need to do is score two touchdowns against this
• 55:57
  Vikings team, and you win the game.
• 56:01
  Yeah.
• 56:01
  It it It works.
• 56:02
  The defense per game.
• 56:07
  Yeah.
• 56:08
  They've planned against an elite QB.
• 56:11
  So, like, I don't know what to expect from the defense this week.
• 56:16
  Obviously, I'm not saying they're gonna give up 30, but, like, it is Josh Allen.
• 56:20
  And even then, like, Joe Brady Joe Brady is pretty smart.
• 56:24
  He can he can run the ball with Cook a lot if he needs to.
• 56:28
  And, like, obviously, we saw last week with Gibbs at, like...
• 56:31
  And they're kinda similar body type and speed.
• 56:35
  So, like, Cook could give the the defense a lot of fits this week.
• 56:39
  So, like, it's just gonna be a lot of pressure on the offense just to produce.
• 56:43
  And like I said, I I know I mentioned it a lot, but, like, these these games where you're just
• 56:47
  the only team...
• 56:48
  Where the...
• 56:49
  Where you're the only two teams playing is, like, a big deal because then it, like,
• 56:53
  magnifies it even more.
• 56:54
  People are gonna be like, oh, wait.
• 56:56
  This offense isn't as good as I thought or whatever.
• 57:00
  Or maybe this team isn't.
• 57:01
  Maybe they are frauds, like, type of stuff.
• 57:06
  Oh, a 100% frauds.
• 57:08
  And and I had a pretty good feeling that that was the case, but I I was willing to give the
• 57:16
  coach and the quarterback a chance.
• 57:18
  And then you went out in the first real test of your team, and it didn't look great.
• 57:25
  And it looked very bad, and it was very embarrassing for a lot of Vikings fans, myself
• 57:30
  included, to have to sit through that on Sunday while my mother-in-law and I and my two
• 57:35
  children are yelling.
• 57:36
  My kids don't even know football, and they're like, why is he holding on to the ball so long?
• 57:40
  Why doesn't he throw it?
• 57:42
  Why doesn't he run?
• 57:43
  And it's like, my my 10 and 11 year old who've watched two games of football in their life got
• 57:48
  it figured out better than Tyler Murray or Kevin O'Connell.
• 57:53
  Well, the thing is too, and I think the biggest question that we're all...
• 57:57
  I just want a true answer with, and, Bubba, you gave us your best impression behind backstage.
• 58:05
  Why did you not kick it on fourth and five with the best kicker in the league to get some
• 58:11
  points with the offense that's struggling?
• 58:17
  Yeah.
• 58:17
  Bizarre.
• 58:18
  Bizarre decision making and then to punt it away when you know your defense is tired and
• 58:23
  they just got ran all over all the way down the field on the prior possession to then put it on
• 58:29
  the...
• 58:29
  That's what I mean.
• 58:29
  This guy is lost.
• 58:31
  I mean, I don't even know that he called out the punt team.
• 58:33
  I think he was still talking to the referee on the no call, and Addison like, look, dude.
• 58:38
  He was never gonna catch that ball anyway.
• 58:40
  Right?
• 58:41
  Like, well, you're throwing up this YOLO third and five.
• 58:44
  It's third and four.
• 58:45
  Why don't we have plays that are designed to just go get a first down?
• 58:49
  Why are we throwing these fluttering balls 30 yards down the field with a guy who can't throw
• 58:55
  it down the field with any kind of power behind it?
• 58:58
  Every throw that Kyler threw down the field minus the one to Addison that went for the long
• 59:03
  that ended up being on the scoring play or on the scoring drive in the second half, all the
• 59:09
  other balls looked like trash.
• 59:10
  I would put our guy SK.
• 59:12
  He was out there throwing balls opening week, and and they looked way better than whatever
• 59:17
  Kyler's throwing up there.
• 59:18
  Now I'm not saying that SK could run KOC's offense because let's face it, nobody can, but
• 59:24
  at least they can throw the football 30, 35 yards on a string.
• 59:29
  I wonder if KOC could run KOC's offense.
• 59:31
  I was just gonna say that.
• 59:36
  I just...
• 59:37
  I have no faith in them figuring it out.
• 59:39
  I don't know that it matters who the quarterback is because it's not like it's
• 59:42
  looked great with Carson Wentz in there.
• 59:45
  We saw Wentz last year as well.
• 59:47
  We've seen him in games this year.
• 59:49
  Yes.
• 59:50
  The the Green Bay game went well, but I just think that...
• 59:54
  I think KOC's in over his head as a play caller.
• 59:57
  I don't think he was ever a great play caller to begin with.
• 1:00:00
  I don't think he's a great play designer.
• 1:00:02
  I think he let the coach of the year and the quarterback whisper buff up his ego, and now
• 1:00:09
  he's not willing to kinda have those come to Jesus moments that it's going to happen.
• 1:00:15
  And there's nobody waiting in the wings that he would even trust to do that, and that's an
• 1:00:19
  indictment as him as a CEO to not hire people that can do the job.
• 1:00:25
  Right?
• 1:00:26
  They can do that little job, but they're not going to advance.
• 1:00:29
  I guarantee that no one on his staff is going to end up on another staff and getting stolen.
• 1:00:33
  And that happens year over year.
• 1:00:35
  Right?
• 1:00:35
  Nobody's ever coming.
• 1:00:36
  Even in their fourteen and two season or whatever.
• 1:00:39
  Nobody was like, I gotta have offensive coordinator a on my team to get it.
• 1:00:45
  That's an indictment on the coach and the head coach, CEO of the team.
• 1:00:48
  Flores would be the guy.
• 1:00:49
  They didn't have the lawsuit.
• 1:00:53
  And and I don't know that Flores is head coaching material.
• 1:00:57
  I don't know that
• 1:00:58
  He might not be.
• 1:00:59
  I mean, but
• 1:01:00
  Right.
• 1:01:00
  But that's the that's the guy that would be...
• 1:01:03
  If it wasn't for a lawsuit, he'd be on everybody's top.
• 1:01:07
  I want him next
• 1:01:08
  year for everywhere last year, though, B.
• 1:01:09
  Right?
• 1:01:10
  He was out doing the head coaching rounds
• 1:01:11
  and
• 1:01:11
  everything, now granted...
• 1:01:13
  He was a free agent.
• 1:01:14
  He could've gone and taken a DC job.
• 1:01:17
  He could've gone and taken a DC job somewhere else as well.
• 1:01:20
  Yeah.
• 1:01:20
  So I don't know if he just doesn't want to be a head coach.
• 1:01:24
  I I know we all say that, like, all these coordinators want that job, but, Cody, you
• 1:01:28
  know, it's a big job.
• 1:01:30
  Right?
• 1:01:31
  It's a lot easier to make 6 mil and just run your defense and not have to answer all the
• 1:01:36
  questions about the wins and losses and to just be that guy where I would be intro...
• 1:01:42
  Because I think any other head coach, especially in an offensive minded head coach,
• 1:01:46
  that's why the Tomlin thing you mentioned is kind of interesting to me where I'm like, okay.
• 1:01:52
  I have...
• 1:01:53
  I could I could see that being a tandem that works because you have a guy that has a ton of
• 1:01:59
  experience as the CEO of a team that would be able to coax in a really good offensive
• 1:02:05
  coordinator, and you're getting a fresh start.
• 1:02:08
  You have no quarterback under contract.
• 1:02:10
  You have no running back under contract.
• 1:02:12
  You have no you have no linebackers under contract.
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  You have you have nothing.
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  This team is going to be barren.
• 1:02:20
  The cupboards will be barren after this year.
• 1:02:22
  And, honestly, I think that's a great that's a great reason for Nolan Teasley after seeing
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  what he's seen.
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  Really interested to get in his head.
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  Right?
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  Like, to have conversations with him to be like, hey.
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  Like, give me your real thought.
• 1:02:35
  Like, I know you came into this in the eleventh hour.
• 1:02:37
  Right?
• 1:02:37
  And the team was pretty much built, and and you're trying to navigate these things.
• 1:02:41
  And you did KOC a solid by getting rid of his headache, the JJ McCarthy question, because if
• 1:02:47
  he was here, everybody is calling for JJ McCarthy to start right now.
• 1:02:52
  Everybody in Minnesota and around the country are calling for that.
• 1:02:57
  But you shipped him not because of play on the field, but because you didn't wanna deal with
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  the headache.
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  And Mhmm.
• 1:03:03
  That's proven out.
• 1:03:04
  Right?
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  Because he goes to New York and does just fine.
• 1:03:06
  So you told us that the kid can't play.
• 1:03:08
  You were wrong, and you're getting exposed every single week as you're the problem.
• 1:03:13
  Right?
• 1:03:14
  Like, I think I think it's you, and I wanna see how KOC is gonna handle that.
• 1:03:18
  I I I don't think that he's gonna handle it well, and we're gonna have to see how it plays
• 1:03:22
  out, but we're gonna see the true test of the man right now.
• 1:03:26
  You were gifted six wins in a row, and you're now in the fire.
• 1:03:32
  You are out of the frying pan and in it, and how are you gonna figure it out on the fly?
• 1:03:37
  It's gonna be interesting to see.
• 1:03:39
  I'm glad I'm gonna be there on Monday night.
• 1:03:41
  If it looks like shit, you bet your ass.
• 1:03:44
  I will be booing like crazy.
• 1:03:46
  Well...
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  And again, Bubba, you're there week one, and there had been some boo birds after the first
• 1:03:53
  couple of plays of Murray.
• 1:03:56
  I mean, he only lasted 11 plays, but there are some boo birds right away.
• 1:03:59
  Everybody in
• 1:04:00
  the stadium was like, what?
• 1:04:02
  This is the guy?
• 1:04:03
  That...
• 1:04:04
  That's what we...
• 1:04:05
  Like, what?
• 1:04:06
  What are we doing?
• 1:04:08
  So, yeah, they...
• 1:04:09
  The the noise is only gonna get louder.
• 1:04:11
  I'm not clamoring for them to bring back JJ.
• 1:04:14
  It is what it is.
• 1:04:15
  Right?
• 1:04:15
  But it's also...
• 1:04:16
  Is this the best possible situation to, I think, do what they need to do anyway, which is
• 1:04:22
  to to get KOC out.
• 1:04:24
  I I don't think he's the guy.
• 1:04:26
  He's been fine, and and he'll get another chance to do something elsewhere.
• 1:04:30
  And maybe he learns from this experience and hires an offensive coordinator that can call
• 1:04:35
  plays and handle that side of the offense and bring in some new fresh ideas and work with
• 1:04:40
  him, but this ain't working.
• 1:04:42
  I don't see them being able to pull out of it.
• 1:04:44
  His offensive philosophy doesn't work, and I don't know that he has the ability right now to
• 1:04:51
  design a new...
• 1:04:52
  Even if he changed philosophy if even if his philosophy worked, I think that his play
• 1:05:00
  calling endgame still sucks.
• 1:05:02
  So...
• 1:05:04
  But we'll see, man.
• 1:05:05
  I...
• 1:05:06
  It...
• 1:05:07
  He's fighting for his job right now.
• 1:05:09
  I I don't think even if you go out and and and crap the bat against these next three teams,
• 1:05:15
  he's not gonna get fired in the season, but I think the writing's on the wall at that point.
• 1:05:19
  I I...
• 1:05:21
  If he goes out and shifts the the next two games, I think I think he's gone.
• 1:05:26
  I think he's
• 1:05:27
  It might not be midseason.
• 1:05:28
  It might it might I
• 1:05:30
  mean Yeah.
• 1:05:31
  I I don't think it happens in season.
• 1:05:32
  That's just not their MO.
• 1:05:34
  I think they let it ride out and just let him go on with the shift.
• 1:05:36
  O six, he's gone before the end of the year.
• 1:05:40
  I I just don't...
• 1:05:42
  I don't know what you gained from that other other than getting a look at Brian Flores as
• 1:05:46
  your interim head coach and then elevating Frank Smith maybe, who I guess is...
• 1:05:52
  Or I guess West Phillips is technically the offensive coordinator.
• 1:05:55
  Me, I'd probably cut them both.
• 1:05:57
  Right?
• 1:05:57
  If you're gonna fire KOC, you're like, hey, Wes.
• 1:05:59
  I don't think you really did anything here anyway.
• 1:06:03
  So we're gonna we're gonna give Frank a shot and roll with that, and we'll see.
• 1:06:08
  And...
• 1:06:09
  Yeah, Kev.
• 1:06:10
  Honestly, I I think that's it.
• 1:06:11
  Right?
• 1:06:12
  Because I don't think anyone...
• 1:06:13
  If you lose these next three games and they're close, there's a lot of, well, maybe they can
• 1:06:19
  figure it out.
• 1:06:19
  This defense is still good.
• 1:06:21
  Maybe there's something here.
• 1:06:22
  If you lose to the falcons, this fan base is done.
• 1:06:27
  They're done.
• 1:06:27
  Right now, you got a lot of people.
• 1:06:29
  You were lucky to bank the six wins.
• 1:06:31
  I would ask you this.
• 1:06:32
  If this team was three and four right now, how confident would you feel that they were gonna
• 1:06:38
  if they were four and three right now, how confident would you feel?
• 1:06:42
  Right?
• 1:06:42
  So you got lucky.
• 1:06:44
  You played Chicago in a fishbowl and came out with a victory.
• 1:06:48
  I will give you the the packers win, good win at home opening day.
• 1:06:53
  Tampa Bay could have very easily gone the other direction.
• 1:06:56
  Your special teams got you a touchdown.
• 1:06:58
  Your defense played out of their minds, and you've had one complete game in New Orleans.
• 1:07:05
  So it's gonna be interesting to see how this continues to play out, and it's gonna have a
• 1:07:11
  lot of ramifications for the coaching career of one Kevin O'Connell.
• 1:07:17
  Well...
• 1:07:17
  And just looking at the schedule, we talked about the falcons getting right after that's
• 1:07:21
  the panthers.
• 1:07:22
  They're not half bad either.
• 1:07:25
  Then you got the Patriots, then you got the Lions.
• 1:07:28
  You know?
• 1:07:29
  I mean, could our next winnable game be against the Commanders?
• 1:07:35
  I mean, you know, they're struggling, and then you gotta sell these jets.
• 1:07:41
  You know?
• 1:07:42
  I mean...
• 1:07:44
  So, yeah, it could it could turn really bad very quickly if we don't figure out something.
• 1:07:52
  Yeah.
• 1:07:52
  No.
• 1:07:54
  I I was just gonna say, before I gotta get going, you know, maybe, probably, you're right.
• 1:08:02
  I don't know if, it's a Vikings MO to fire a head coach in season, but he...
• 1:08:08
  You're you're also right.
• 1:08:10
  KOC is coaching for his job.
• 1:08:12
  Yeah.
• 1:08:13
  And we'll have to see how bad he wants it.
• 1:08:16
  But, it's been a pleasure, fellas.
• 1:08:18
  I'll see you guys, Sunday.
• 1:08:21
  Appreciate you, coach.
• 1:08:22
  Can't wait to see you Monday night, brother.
• 1:08:24
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:08:24
  Yeah.
• 1:08:25
  Monday.
• 1:08:25
  Later.
• 1:08:27
  I will see you Monday, bud.
• 1:08:28
  I'll tell you guys right now.
• 1:08:30
  If they lose to the Jets and their offense can't do anything against the Jets, that'll be
• 1:08:34
  your your answer right there.
• 1:08:38
  We got lit up by the dolphins.
• 1:08:41
  The dolphins who put up 13 points, I think, against the patriots this past weekend.
• 1:08:46
  We got lit up for, like, 28 or 30 points.
• 1:08:51
  Kirk Cousins lit us up because, our defense is too predictable right now, and we, we only have
• 1:08:58
  one interception in two years.
• 1:09:01
  You'll know by then unless you decided before then that you're done.
• 1:09:06
  If you haven't decided by then and you're still like, we don't know about this guy, the Jets
• 1:09:10
  game will be a very important game in the decision making.
• 1:09:14
  Yep.
• 1:09:15
  I I think I've made up my mind at this point.
• 1:09:18
  I'm tired of a a a shoe salesman as my guy, draft doctor Phil, would call him.
• 1:09:24
  Believed...
• 1:09:25
  I think he's a great rah rah guy.
• 1:09:27
  I think he says a lot of the right things.
• 1:09:29
  I think he can be a motivator, but his pride and his ego, he he can't get them out of the
• 1:09:36
  way in the offensive play calling.
• 1:09:39
  And I I think it's gonna be a thorn in his side.
• 1:09:42
  And I think a lot of teams and and other people...
• 1:09:45
  Oh, they're like, he's exposing himself, right, at this point.
• 1:09:48
  Like, his stock is falling because of his actions and and what he's doing.
• 1:09:53
  So, you know, only he can save himself and this team right now.
• 1:09:57
  There's no player, I think, that you drop in here that has any effect on it.
• 1:10:01
  It it doesn't matter.
• 1:10:02
  It all comes down to the head coach right now.
• 1:10:05
  And I, for one, have no faith in anything actionable actually making a difference.
• 1:10:12
  So we'll see.
• 1:10:13
  Anything to add in parting here, b?
• 1:10:17
  No.
• 1:10:18
  I'm just hoping between now and Monday, we get some light of hope that something has changed
• 1:10:26
  if it's at the starting quarterback spot, a trade.
• 1:10:31
  But I'm kinda with Bubba.
• 1:10:32
  I don't think...
• 1:10:34
  I I mean, I'm definitely way under the 30% that Cody had, but I just wanna see the Vikings do
• 1:10:43
  something.
• 1:10:43
  I mean, you know, let's make a change.
• 1:10:46
  I mean, you...
• 1:10:47
  We saw Jefferson we saw Jefferson outside, like, get frustrated.
• 1:10:53
  So...
• 1:10:54
  And also too, normally, Rankham is out tomorrow, but I am working all week.
• 1:10:59
  So we're gonna do Rankham Saturday morning, 09:00.
• 1:11:02
  Alright.
• 1:11:03
  Love it.
• 1:11:03
  Oh, and Kev had a question here.
• 1:11:06
  Bigger matchup, Allen versus the defense or the offense versus the Bills d.
• 1:11:12
  Still wanna see the off...
• 1:11:13
  Or the defense perform, so I think that's the bigger matchup.
• 1:11:16
  I don't think it is a a matchup at all with our offense against anyone.
• 1:11:21
  I think you could throw a high school JV squad out there against this offense right now.
• 1:11:26
  And because of the lack of, you know...
• 1:11:29
  Or the ineptitude rather of the of the squad that they wouldn't get it done.
• 1:11:35
  And, honestly, Kyle or Scott would be able to see over the line.
• 1:11:39
  So I think the bigger matchup is...
• 1:11:43
  The beginning, I wanna see Dallas...
• 1:11:46
  Josh Allen versus the defense.
• 1:11:47
  But I think overall throughout the whole game, it's gonna be Vikings offense versus Vikings...
• 1:11:54
  Bills defense, I think.
• 1:11:59
  Sallie?
• 1:12:01
  I'm gonna go with Josh versus the defense because, obviously, he's he's gonna be the best
• 1:12:07
  QB play all year.
• 1:12:10
  I mean, though Caleb is looking really great right now, it...
• 1:12:13
  I'd still put Josh ahead of him.
• 1:12:15
  And, he's still prone to turning the ball over.
• 1:12:19
  So if you can get a couple turnovers and give your offense a short field, then
• 1:12:24
  No.
• 1:12:24
  You gotta house it.
• 1:12:25
  That's the only option.
• 1:12:26
  Like, I don't get...
• 1:12:27
  They...
• 1:12:27
  They've had short fields.
• 1:12:28
  It doesn't do them any good.
• 1:12:29
  They need to house it.
• 1:12:31
  Yeah.
• 1:12:32
  And we've talked about the offense, obviously.
• 1:12:35
  I I just don't know if they're gonna be able...
• 1:12:37
  Because as bad as, like, those defenses, like, numbers wise.
• 1:12:43
  Mhmm.
• 1:12:43
  They still have really good players like Gregory Russo and Bednar, I think.
• 1:12:50
  And, like, they still have they still have really good players.
• 1:12:53
  So, like, the numbers will say, like, oh, they're ranked pretty bad.
• 1:12:56
  Well, like, they they'll rise up when they need to, especially Russo.
• 1:13:02
  So, like, just don't let him wreck the game.
• 1:13:05
  I thought you gotta you gotta wrap to the truth.
• 1:13:10
  This this is a week to week league at the end of the day, and we could be talking like this
• 1:13:14
  today and by the time next week, we could be singing a different tune.
• 1:13:21
  So, like, it...
• 1:13:21
  It's a I was I was all in on JT, and this team was going to the Super Bowl four days ago.
• 1:13:28
  So Yeah.
• 1:13:30
  I I I think the Vikings do have to make a trade for a QB.
• 1:13:34
  Obviously, it doesn't have to be, like, like Kirk Cousins, but, like, find somebody's QB
• 1:13:41
  back up somewhere, somebody's third string, or somebody who could at least run the offense.
• 1:13:47
  So you at least say, like, look.
• 1:13:49
  Is Max Brosmer still on the team?
• 1:13:51
  He's the third he's he's the
• 1:13:53
  third guy.
• 1:13:54
  I don't I don't know if the...
• 1:13:55
  Are you guys chanting for Max Brosmer, or is it
• 1:13:58
  just No.
• 1:13:59
  No.
• 1:13:59
  God, no.
• 1:14:00
  Dude, man, we saw that twice last year in Seattle.
• 1:14:04
  It was absolutely awful.
• 1:14:05
  And then and then
• 1:14:07
  That would be the only way I would care for him.
• 1:14:10
  But I'm I'm a problem.
• 1:14:12
  We all...
• 1:14:12
  We saw him a couple times last year.
• 1:14:14
  No.
• 1:14:14
  I do think our offense line's a a little bit better than it was last year, so maybe, but I'd
• 1:14:22
  rather see Carson Wentz finish out the year because, I mean, right now, I don't think our
• 1:14:29
  quarterback, instead of week one, is on our roster next year.
• 1:14:32
  Not saying Brosner or Wentz will be on the roster.
• 1:14:36
  I don't think Tyler will, but I don't think week one starting next year is on our roster.
• 1:14:41
  Yeah.
• 1:14:42
  And how foolish do you how foolish do you look trading for a quarterback after you traded a
• 1:14:48
  quarterback away earlier this season?
• 1:14:50
  Right?
• 1:14:50
  Like, how stupid does that look in a guy that is out there starting games right now?
• 1:14:54
  You look like an idiot.
• 1:14:55
  So I don't think they're gonna do it just for that simple fact, and I don't know that it
• 1:14:59
  moves the needle anyway.
• 1:15:01
  You...
• 1:15:01
  You're stuck with what you got.
• 1:15:02
  This is it.
• 1:15:03
  And and no help is coming, and that's what I've been trying to get across to people because I
• 1:15:07
  don't think Teasley has any I don't think he has any reason to do it.
• 1:15:11
  And I think he's gonna...
• 1:15:12
  Even if the coaches are clamoring for it, I think he goes to ownership and goes like, look.
• 1:15:17
  We are for next year.
• 1:15:18
  Right?
• 1:15:19
  Like, we are losing...
• 1:15:20
  Like, these nine guys or 12 guys or 20 guys that are gonna be free agents, most of them are
• 1:15:26
  not coming back.
• 1:15:27
  Because if they were coming back, they would have signed them to extensions already.
• 1:15:31
  So you're clearing the decks next year, it seems like.
• 1:15:35
  You had your opportunity, and I don't know if it was ever said maybe behind closed doors that
• 1:15:40
  like, okay, Kevin.
• 1:15:41
  We're gonna give you the reins, let you build this team the way you want to, not hire a GM.
• 1:15:47
  You show us what you can do.
• 1:15:48
  And right now, it is unraveling, and I think that ownership and your new GM are more than
• 1:15:54
  willing to kinda sit back and let it grow because now they have a scapegoat in Kevin
• 1:15:58
  O'Connor and go, well, look.
• 1:16:00
  You know what?
• 1:16:01
  We gave him all this power and and all of this authority to go out and build a roster and to
• 1:16:06
  be the coach and to be that.
• 1:16:08
  He got the players that he said he needed.
• 1:16:11
  We got rid of the ones he said he didn't, and this is what happened.
• 1:16:15
  So, sorry, Kevin.
• 1:16:17
  Here's the door, and you let Nolan Teasley build this team in his image now and and
• 1:16:23
  structure it accordingly.
• 1:16:24
  That would be my take.
• 1:16:26
  Otherwise, why did you hire a GM?
• 1:16:29
  If it's not, then you hired a lame duck GM who you're not gonna give any power to, and then
• 1:16:33
  what's the point?
• 1:16:34
  What was the what was the point of doing any of that?
• 1:16:37
  So for for my money, I think you just let it ride and go.
• 1:16:41
  And we're gonna see how the rest of the season is gonna go starting on Monday, and we'll be
• 1:16:46
  live at the tailgate from Fathead Bills.
• 1:16:49
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• 1:16:55
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• 1:16:56
  Really excited to be there.
• 1:16:58
  Bea will be with us for this game.
• 1:17:00
  So excited to have the full compliment there.
• 1:17:03
  I will be going in with our guy, Rob Haspels, honoring him as our veteran on the salute to
• 1:17:09
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• 1:17:20
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• 1:17:25
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• 1:17:26
  We'll be doing the live pregame show there ninety minutes before kickoff.
• 1:17:30
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• 1:17:34
  be doing.
• 1:17:35
  I know it's gonna be a little chillier probably evening, in in, you know, Minneapolis in mid
• 1:17:41
  November.
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• 1:18:04
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• 1:18:06
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