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"Big Liddle’ Lies." (LIVE from Portland!) · Pod Save America

• 0:20
  Speaker 1: What's up, Portland? Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Shauna Thomas from Vice News.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Jon Lovett.
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: I'm Tommy Detort.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Dan Piper.
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  Speaker 5: We were road testing Dan Tifa backstage.
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  Speaker 1: We'll try it out. We'll see how it goes. We'll
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  Speaker 1: check in in a couple minutes.
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  Speaker 6: Later in the show, I'll talk to a high school
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  Speaker 6: senior and climate activist who helped organize last week's climate
• 1:02
  Speaker 6: strike here in Portland.
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  Speaker 3: Ella Schreiner is here.
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  Speaker 6: Also, an update, we have now raised $ 868, 000 for Fair
• 1:12
  Speaker 6: Fight 2020, which is Stacey Abrams' effort to help fight
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  Speaker 6: voter suppression.
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  Speaker 1: What is it? We have a couple more weeks, another
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  Speaker 1: month to get to a million? No. So let's get
• 1:29
  Speaker 1: there early. We want it by Monday.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, let's do it by Monday. If everyone here just, like,
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  Speaker 6: donates $ 10, we'll be good. Just go votesaveamerica.com slash fair fight.
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  Speaker 4: It's for Stacey Abrams.
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  Speaker 1: It's for Stacey Abrams.
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  Speaker 7: Come on.
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  Speaker 1: And voting.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's for voting.
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  Speaker 3: It's for voting.
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  Speaker 1: And Stacey.
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  Speaker 6: The president has, like, every foreign country at his disposal
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  Speaker 6: to win the election.
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  Speaker 1: We have Stacey Abrams.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We need to help her.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the thing, guys.
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  Speaker 1: She's up against Ukraine, Russia.
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  Speaker 3: Do us a favor, though. Denmark's shitting the bed. We got.
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  Speaker 3: They're not helping.
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  Speaker 1: Not pulling their weight. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the autocracies, they're in the game.
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  Speaker 8: All right.
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  Speaker 3: The Finnish are nowhere.
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  Speaker 2: Why those countries?
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  Speaker 4: They should be on our side. Yeah, Bernie Sanders said so.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway.
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  Speaker 6: You know, after last night's show in San Jose, I
• 2:32
  Speaker 6: emailed everyone and I was like, I don't know how
• 2:34
  Speaker 6: there's going to be more news to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: In Portland on Friday night. And then I woke up.
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  Speaker 6: Today we learned that members of the House Intelligence Committee
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  Speaker 6: will skip a scheduled recess and begin impeachment hearings next week.
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  Speaker 3: Yay, constitutional crisis.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you were right. People are pumped about that.
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  Speaker 1: I told you.
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  Speaker 3: I told Chana.
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  Speaker 2: He was like, Portland's going to be crazy, is what
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  Speaker 2: he said.
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  Speaker 6: So they've already subpoenaed Secretary of State Mike Pompeo for documents.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, documents! Discovery!
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  Speaker 6: They will be deposing multiple witnesses from the State Department,
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  Speaker 6: including the U.S. envoy to Ukraine, Kurt Volker, who just
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  Speaker 6: resigned tonight because of his role in the scandal.
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  Speaker 8: Well, and the ASU student newspaper is the one who
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  Speaker 8: broke it.
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  Speaker 3: Yes!
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  Speaker 2: So here's for journalism and student journalism.
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  Speaker 1: Here's to college journalism.
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  Speaker 8: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Broke the story.
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  Speaker 6: Meanwhile, Donald Trump is handling these developments with characteristic grace
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  Speaker 6: and calm. In the last 24 hours, he's threatened violence
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  Speaker 6: against White House officials and a CIA whistleblower. He's attacked
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  Speaker 6: Democrats as sick. He's attacked the media as scum. And
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  Speaker 6: he's assailed CNN for reporting on one of his tweets
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  Speaker 6: without using the proper punctuation.
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  Speaker 1: So he's in a very good place.
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  Speaker 6: Definitely a guy who thinks that impeachment's going to be
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  Speaker 6: a political win for him. Shauna, we were joking last
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  Speaker 6: night that the best description of Trump's strategy came from
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  Speaker 6: Mother Jones's Tim Murphy, who tweeted, I didn't do it.
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  Speaker 6: I'm innocent. All the witnesses should die. How would you
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  Speaker 6: describe the White House strategy? And do you see any
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  Speaker 6: potential holes in the strategy?
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  Speaker 3: Well, OK.
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  Speaker 8: So the White House strategy, which we've actually seen Republicans
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  Speaker 8: on the Hill start to carry out, is a couple
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  Speaker 8: of things. It's, number one, this isn't a big deal. Like,
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  Speaker 8: that's one thing. And or they had started off this
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  Speaker 8: week being like, we haven't read anything about anything whatsoever.
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  Speaker 8: And that's a little bit harder to carry out now.
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  Speaker 8: But now, I mean, we saw Kevin McCarthy basically say
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  Speaker 8: this is the thing they're going to impeach him over,
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  Speaker 8: that it's not that big of a deal. I think
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  Speaker 8: there's a lot of legal experts who have said this
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  Speaker 8: could be a very big deal. So that's a hard
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  Speaker 8: one to keep going. And the other thing is change
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  Speaker 8: the subject, which they did pretty well in 2016 in
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  Speaker 8: terms of his campaign. Change the subject back to Joe Biden.
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  Speaker 8: and talk about Hunter Biden and talk about something that
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  Speaker 8: has been debunked multiple times, but feed that to his base,
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  Speaker 8: put out a commercial about it, and then see what happens, basically.
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  Speaker 2: But try to deflect back to the Democrats.
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  Speaker 6: Does anyone see any holes in the strategy? Because, you know,
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  Speaker 6: a couple are the news that broke today, right? We
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  Speaker 6: had a couple things. Trump is still doing all kinds
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  Speaker 6: of crimes. There was a New York Times story that
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  Speaker 6: Wayne LaPierre from the NRA had a meeting in the
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  Speaker 6: Oval Office with Donald Trump where he said that the
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  Speaker 6: NRA would contribute to Trump's legal defense and then said, also,
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  Speaker 6: by the way, you should stop with the gun legislation.
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  Speaker 1: So, sort of a semi-bribe, maybe. You know.
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  Speaker 6: We also found out that the White House has also
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  Speaker 6: been restricting access to the president's calls with Vladimir Putin,
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  Speaker 6: and MBS, Saudi Arabia, and then of course the Washington
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  Speaker 6: Post reported right before we got here.
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  Speaker 2: This is literally in the last two hours.
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  Speaker 6: Literally in the last two hours that when Trump met
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  Speaker 6: with the Russian ambassador in 2017. He said, by the way,
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  Speaker 6: I didn't mind the foreign interference because the United States
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  Speaker 6: says that too, so that's that.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I think the holes in the strategy, putting
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  Speaker 8: his campaign aside and going back to the White House,
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  Speaker 8: the holes in the strategy is that it is very
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  Speaker 8: clear that this whistleblower complaint is opening up lots and
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  Speaker 8: lots of other reporting. There's lots more to be dug into.
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  Speaker 8: That's going to keep happening, and they're going to keep
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  Speaker 8: having to answer.
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  Speaker 2: All of these questions. But really, I mean, the thing
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  Speaker 2: is they ignore a lot of the questions. Right. They do.
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  Speaker 8: And that is a strategy that in some ways has
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  Speaker 8: worked for them as well. But you're going to keep
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  Speaker 8: seeing all this stuff happen.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the challenge of that strategy now, the way
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  Speaker 4: they've ignored the questions before is it has canceled the
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  Speaker 4: press briefings.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But now.
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  Speaker 8: Well, but Kellyanne Conway comes out into the driveway every day.
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  Speaker 4: And just shouts about something.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Every day.
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  Speaker 4: But what is different now, and this is relevant in
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  Speaker 4: what happened to Mike Pompeo, is the House Democrats, unlike
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  Speaker 4: the White House Press Corps, have subpoena power. And because
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  Speaker 4: we're now in the context of an impeachment investigation, those
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  Speaker 4: subpoenas have teeth. And so these people are actually going
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  Speaker 4: to have to answer questions under oath.
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  Speaker 1: Love it.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I will say, I didn't know this until earlier this afternoon.
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  Speaker 3: I have a new kink.
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  Speaker 1: Is it subpoenas?
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  Speaker 3: And it's the chairs of Democratic-led House committees threatening Republican
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  Speaker 3: officials in the administration with subpoenas that if they fail
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  Speaker 3: to honor will be additional impeachable offenses.
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  Speaker 8: So you're really into Jerry Nadler right now? No, no.
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  Speaker 3: I'm into the letter. My type is the letter. I'm
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  Speaker 3: attracted to the letter.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to talk about the whistleblower.
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  Speaker 6: The other, the one other part of the strategy is
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  Speaker 6: sort of attack the whistleblower, disqualify the whistleblower. Um, so
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  Speaker 6: the New York times is taking some heat for publishing
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  Speaker 6: a fair number of details about this person's identity. Uh,
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  Speaker 6: Should they have done this? And how much danger is
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  Speaker 6: the whistleblower in? Dan, what do you think?
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  Speaker 4: I think the entire crux of this very important journalistic
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  Speaker 4: debate can be summed up in my New York Times
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  Speaker 4: push alerts from yesterday, which was 10.02, Trump threatened execution
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  Speaker 4: of whistleblower. 10.07, here's a roadmap to the whistleblower's house.
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  Speaker 10: LAUGHTER In all seriousness, I think there is a legitimate
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  Speaker 10: debate about the value of publishing information about this person,
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  Speaker 10: but the context in which they did it, I think,
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  Speaker 10: was very dangerous.
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  Speaker 4: And to do it literally within an hour of the
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  Speaker 4: president suggesting that the whistleblower and people who spoke to
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  Speaker 4: the whistleblower should be executed like spies is problematic. And
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  Speaker 4: I don't think the times justify... The reason was people
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  Speaker 4: should know. But I think you need more than that.
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  Speaker 8: Well, their reason was not just that people should know that, like,
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  Speaker 8: they should know some context of who this person is.
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  Speaker 4: That was the second reason.
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  Speaker 8: And his level of importance, his or her level of importance.
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  Speaker 8: Because I'm not sure we know if it's a woman
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  Speaker 8: or a man.
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  Speaker 1: It's a him.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 8: His level of importance into this story. And I think,
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  Speaker 8: you know, it I am interested what their internal conversations
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  Speaker 8: were like I'm interested in what their conversations with the
• 10:02
  Speaker 8: government were like before they decided to do that because
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  Speaker 8: I find it hard to believe knowing what I know
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  Speaker 8: about news that they did not contact the CIA about
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  Speaker 8: that before they did it But it is bolstering the
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  Speaker 8: journalism that they're doing. I also think that whistleblower, the
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  Speaker 8: moment he sent that complaint over, he knew that it
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  Speaker 8: could lead to him being unmasked.
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  Speaker 4: This is too big. Yes, I think that is true,
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  Speaker 4: although I think that should be his call. And I
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  Speaker 4: think there is a way to meet the standard of
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  Speaker 4: the times without being as specific as saying, it is
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  Speaker 4: a person from the CIA who is an expert in
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  Speaker 4: Ukraine who is detailed to the White House. Which is, like,
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  Speaker 4: you could say, but you could say this is a
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  Speaker 4: career bureaucrat, this is a CIA employee. They made a
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  Speaker 4: decision to.
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  Speaker 2: Someone close with knowledge?
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  Speaker 4: Yes. I mean, like, if they could have accomplished the
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  Speaker 4: goal they suggested, because everyone in Washington knew the information
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  Speaker 4: the New York Times had.
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  Speaker 9: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: They just wanted to be the first to publish it.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And they knew they were opening a can of worms
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  Speaker 4: because they quoted Dean McKay, their executive editor, in the
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  Speaker 4: story about the decision to do it. Now, since it
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  Speaker 4: was his newspaper, he could have had an answer that
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  Speaker 4: made logical sense, but he did not do that.
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  Speaker 1: Tommy, what did you think? You've been.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, they're going to default to publishing, and they're
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  Speaker 5: going to default to transparency, and I understand that instinct,
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  Speaker 5: and they're probably thinking that everyone in Washington has a sense.
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  Speaker 1: Of who this individual is.
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  Speaker 5: There's probably a lot of people who know this person
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  Speaker 5: by name, who've worked in government, who work in the
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  Speaker 5: Trump administration, who work in the CIA currently, who are
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  Speaker 5: probably not necessarily sympathetic to.
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  Speaker 1: What he did.
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  Speaker 5: But to just be first and to publish what we
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  Speaker 5: know about this individual, knowing that pretty recently there was
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  Speaker 5: someone sending pipe bombs to people that were perceived as
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  Speaker 5: enemies of Trump, I think it's not a story that
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  Speaker 5: I would have felt the need to break personally if
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  Speaker 5: I were the New York Times. I don't know that
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  Speaker 5: it added a lot of value journalistically. And on top
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  Speaker 5: of that, On top of that, I thought Dean Baquet's explanation,
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  Speaker 5: it didn't really hold water.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't really hold up to scrutiny. And he's someone
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  Speaker 1: I've worked with.
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  Speaker 5: I worked with him and his team during the WikiLeaks disclosures,
• 12:26
  Speaker 5: and I found them to be professional, and I appreciated
• 12:29
  Speaker 5: the interactions. The way they worked with us, it was reasonable.
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  Speaker 5: In this instance... The New York Times team was very
• 12:37
  Speaker 5: defensive about it on Twitter. They were lashing back at critics.
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  Speaker 5: It didn't feel like a decision that internally they all
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  Speaker 5: felt great about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I could tell.
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  Speaker 6: So speaking of media, in this impeachment fight, one of
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  Speaker 6: Trump's biggest assets is his vast propaganda machine, though it
• 12:56
  Speaker 6: does seem like not everyone's buying the talking points this time.
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  Speaker 6: Chris Wallace said that the White House spin is, quote,
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  Speaker 6: astonishing and deeply misleading. Shep Smith yelled at Tucker Carlson
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  Speaker 6: and has been subtweeting him. Gabe Sherman is reporting that
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  Speaker 6: not everyone at Fox is sure that they want to
• 13:15
  Speaker 6: stand by Trump on this one.
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  Speaker 1: Tommy, what do you think? Do they have any incentives
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  Speaker 1: to act like real reporters here for this? Like, what?
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  Speaker 5: What's going to happen here? There's two or three real
• 13:28
  Speaker 5: journalists that work at Fox. They probably get more credit
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  Speaker 5: than they deserve. Chris Wallace, Jeff Smith.
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  Speaker 8: I would say Chris Wallace is one of them.
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  Speaker 3: But they don't have to work there.
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  Speaker 5: You can be a real journalist at an organization that
• 13:40
  Speaker 5: isn't just an extension of the Trump White House propaganda arm,
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  Speaker 5: which is what Fox News is. And so I think
• 13:49
  Speaker 5: what is likely is one of the impacts of the
• 13:53
  Speaker 5: impeachment decision is is that there were some folks on
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  Speaker 5: the far right in the talk radio, like MAGA world
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  Speaker 5: that were drifting from Trump a little bit. They were
• 14:01
  Speaker 5: questioning things he has done or said that will come
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  Speaker 5: home and they are going to be all in on
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  Speaker 5: defending him. And that will be a unique thing in
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  Speaker 5: an impeachment fight because Nixon didn't have this. Clinton didn't
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  Speaker 5: have a media organization that could influence 40% of the country,
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  Speaker 5: you know, which is what Fox can do. So that
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  Speaker 5: will be a unique thing that we have to watch and, um,
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  Speaker 5: and whatever, but also more importantly probably is the fact
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  Speaker 5: that this will be the first impeachment in the internet age.
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  Speaker 5: And that doesn't just mean that people like us can
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  Speaker 5: offer hot takes. It means that every other foreign government
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  Speaker 5: can inject whatever propaganda they want into our discourse. And frankly,
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  Speaker 5: we're already seeing that. A lot of the fever dream
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  Speaker 5: nonsense that Trump and Rudy Giuliani have been picking up
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  Speaker 5: and relaying to foreign presidents has been You can find
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  Speaker 5: the genesis of it in Russian state TV.
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  Speaker 1: So it's going to be a mess. That's fascinating, right?
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  Speaker 1: Because this is both ways, right?
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  Speaker 6: So the conservative media apparatus exists both to defend Trump
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  Speaker 6: through this impeachment trial, but also they are feeding him
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  Speaker 6: conspiracies that he then commits crimes with, right? Because he
• 15:14
  Speaker 6: pressured President Zelensky in the Ukraine to look at this
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  Speaker 6: CrowdStrike thing, which was a conspiracy that started in right-wing media.
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  Speaker 6: It's not a real thing. No one knows what this
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  Speaker 6: fucking CrowdStrike bullshit is. but it was a right-wing fever dream.
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  Speaker 8: Well, and I also think it's interesting when you look
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  Speaker 8: back at 2016 and we look at sort of the
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  Speaker 8: Russia propaganda stuff that we saw and then Facebook put
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  Speaker 8: out the ads and we were all like, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 8: What struck me about those ads and what strikes me
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  Speaker 8: about the CrowdStrike thing is that if it were Americans
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  Speaker 8: putting out the same kind of propaganda, it wouldn't have
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  Speaker 8: been illegal, it wouldn't have been as crazy, and it
• 15:50
  Speaker 8: still would have fed the same thing. And that is
• 15:52
  Speaker 8: what we were seeing. The thing is that because we
• 15:55
  Speaker 8: are in this social media age, we don't need Russia
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  Speaker 8: necessarily to feed us misinformation.
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  Speaker 2: We kind of do it ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: It's totally right.
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  Speaker 8: And the Seth Rich thing is actually the best example
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  Speaker 8: of that in that it... Between, I'm going to be
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  Speaker 8: careful because I have friends who work for Fox News.
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  Speaker 8: It's a whole thing. I am a journalist, guys. And
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  Speaker 8: y'all can all laugh at that, I guess. But we
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  Speaker 8: can actually screw this up ourselves. We can screw the
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  Speaker 8: election up ourselves without Russia, without Iran, without anyone else.
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  Speaker 2: And that is actually the scariest part of it.
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  Speaker 1: For sure. Love it.
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  Speaker 3: You look.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: You look troubled.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting. Like, well, it's just been interesting. You know,
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: we're a week into this thing. And what has protected us,
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: I think, even in these early days, is not that
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: there's been infighting inside of the Fox News propaganda machine.
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  Speaker 3: It's actually what's been surprising is just how hard it
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  Speaker 3: is to spin the Zielinski memo, right? That's the core
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  Speaker 3: of this and the complaint itself. Like, this is a
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  Speaker 3: virtually unspinable document.
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  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Chris Christie gave an interview that said, Trump will be
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: fine unless in the text it says something crazy like,
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: do me a favor. Literally.
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  Speaker 1: Chris Christie nailed it.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: He nailed it.
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  Speaker 1: He nailed it.
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  Speaker 4: He nailed it.
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  Speaker 8: And even the memo that wasn't a real transcript, but
• 17:22
  Speaker 8: kind of a transcript, still says do.
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  Speaker 3: Me a favor. It still says do me a favor.
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  Speaker 3: Do me a favor is very simple, very hard to spin.
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  Speaker 3: And so what we've seen is like, It's like a
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: carnival game and it says, spin the unspinable phone call
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  Speaker 3: and conservative guy rubs his hands together, picks up the
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: hammer and comes down and it just goes up an
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: inch and falls back down to the ground and another
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: guy lines up, grabs the thing, tries to hit the
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: bell and it doesn't rise and there's a line all
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: the way back but nobody's going to win the fucking bear.
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  Speaker 9: And.
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  Speaker 3: And so the divide to me becomes between conservatives, even
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: the most vicious and right-wing partisan conservatives, who still experience
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: shame and those who don't. The ones who don't feel shame,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: Kellyanne Conway, Ted Cruz, Tom Cotton, Hugh Hewitt, others, they're fine.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: They're in. They can say whatever you need them to say.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: It's Hunter Biden's fault. That's the real story. Whatever you want.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: But the ones that still are asked a question and
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: in their gut have a human desire to respond, at
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: least with some semblance of honesty and dignity and self-respect,
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: are really stuck.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what?
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: This is, as you just pointed out, this is an
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: information war, right? That's what this is going to be.
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: And yes, I totally agree. I'd like to see Chris
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: Wallace and Shep Smith leave Fox News and not work
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: there because it's Fox and it's awful. But for this
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: impeachment hearing, I'm glad that a whole bunch of people
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: including 40% of independent voters, are going to be watching
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: Fox News and hear at least two voices be like, oh, no, no, no.
• 18:51
  Speaker 8: And when Fox News covers the impeachment hearings, Chris Wallace
• 18:55
  Speaker 8: will be on set if Fox News covers the impeachment hearings.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: Assuming they stay where they are now.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Well, that's a big question.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: That's a big one.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: These guys always come home.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: I think their temper tantrums are actually a net negative
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: in the long run because they offer this patina of
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: legitimacy to, to Fox News. Oh, see, the news site
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: is real, which is bullshit. These guys get up every
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: single day and work for a racism for profit organization.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: That's what they do. And these temper tantrums are like
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: the people at Fox at the top. It's annoying that
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Tucker Carlson's upset. I'm very pro yelling at Tucker Carlson.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: But they love it because it proves their point. They're
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: propaganda beards. And so they get paid a whole bunch
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: of money to have these temper tantrums so they can
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: say we're legitimate news.
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Love it.
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: The people who actually control Trump's fate are the 53
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: Republicans in the Senate. right now uh and many of
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: them so far have had reactions uh that are similar
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: to iowa senator joni ernst uh who told a reporter
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: quote i haven't read the full report but if you
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: want to talk about ethanol i'm happy to talk about.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: It And I like that question because he's like, I
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: have a question. Will you use ethanol to drive a
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: vehicle to a place where you can read the fucking report?
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: So, like, you know, there's a couple of them. The
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: Lindsey Grahams, those kind of people who were just already like,
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: fake news, it's all Hunter Biden's fault.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Totally going to change the subject, guys.
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: But then there's a bunch of other Republican senators who
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: are at least saying, I haven't read the report, running
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: away from reporters, all that kind of stuff.
• 20:37
  Speaker 8: There were a couple of Republican House members in the
• 20:39
  Speaker 8: hearing yesterday who at the very least said, some of
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: this stuff makes me really uncomfortable. I believe Mike Turner
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: said something to that effect. And it shows the thing
• 20:52
  Speaker 8: that a lot of journalists in D.C. know, and that
• 20:55
  Speaker 8: behind closed doors there are a lot of Republicans who
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: don't quite know what to do with President Trump, especially
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: when stuff like this comes out, but also in front
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: of closed doors, know they have to run for re-election.
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: And look at Mark Sanford. Sometimes you come out against
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: President Trump, you do not win re-election.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: My response to the Mark Sanford example is Adam Kinzinger.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: who is a very conservative Republican congressman from Peoria, Illinois,
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: I believe.
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: He's one of the few Republican congressmen that talks to
• 21:27
  Speaker 8: Vice News on a regular basis.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: Listen, I don't agree with this guy on anything, but
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: he's pretty consistently said what he thinks about Trump.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: He doesn't use the terminology we use. He's not as harsh.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: He's not as scathing. But he doesn't hold back that often,
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: and he seems to be doing just fine politically. So
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: I do think there is an over-learning of the Sanford,
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: Trump's base will take you out example.
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: I think it also depends on how you act in
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: your district.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Are you connecting with people?
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: There is some of the retail politics there that maybe
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: Mark Sanford wasn't doing.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: You're right.
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: I agree, but President Trump had an effect on that race.
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: Lovett, do you think this is a hopeful sign for
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: any of these Republican senators? potentially voting to convict.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: But your friend Mitt Romney.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: We have a lot, yes. Well, look, Mitt Romney has
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: found this troubling to the extreme. And, you know, for
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: him to use the E-word like that so casually in
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: an interview, I mean, my goodness. He said it, he
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: said it, he said it, and he just like sat
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: down and just chugged a whole glass of milk.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Chocolate milk.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Look, you know, we've seen these reports. There are 30
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Republican senators who, if it was a secret vote, would
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: vote to remove Donald Trump from office. But of course,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: it's not a secret vote. You know, there has been
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: a collective action problem with Trump from the beginning. It
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: has extended from the primaries to where we are now.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Our politics would change if all the Republicans who privately
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: deride and dislike Trump intensely were to speak publicly about
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: it and show that that division is real. It might
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: have an impact. on the public opinion that ultimately shores
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Trump up and prevents people from being honest about what
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Trump does. It is a, you know, it's a catch-22.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: That said, I'm hearing Dan in my head.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I was waiting, I'm gonna go to Dan last so
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: he can just brainwash me.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: So I do not want to say, I think that
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: cynicism is earned by what we've seen over the past
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: three years. It is an earned response to the way
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Republicans have behaved during Donald Trump's tenure. That said, this week,
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: extraordinary and it is very different than last week and
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: we didn't know that this week was gonna be so
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: different from last week what's gonna happen next week and
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: we so you know you look at what's happening out
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: of countries you're right but you look at what's happened
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: right so so we'll heard right someone who may have
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: an opportunity to to vote with Democrats on articles of
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: impeachment at some point in this.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Process, right?
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: Republican from Texas.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Republican from Texas. And you start to see.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Former CIA.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: You start to see how, wait a second, is it
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: possible that a Republican in the House votes with Democrats
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden impeachment has some bipartisan support?
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: And then you see someone like Cory Gardner, who's a
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: little bit reluctant to come full bore out in defense
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: of Trump. And you start to see the kind of
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: cracks in this facade begin to show. Does that mean
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: I think the facade comes crumbling down and they all
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: start showing integrity and a love of country that rises
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: above partisanship, that evinces a deeper sense of their place
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: in history in this moment in time to stand up
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: for the fundamental tenets of what it means to be American?
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I do not.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: But... But what? No, but, last thing, but... Hard but.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: But let's force them... to prove us wrong rather than
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: assuming they'll.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: Prove us right.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: That's all.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Dan's like, none of these fucking people are voting to be.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Hey, Dan. Hey, Dan.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: I would just personally, myself, never bet one single dollar
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: on the conscience or capacity for shame in the 21st century.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: What if we give you odds? What about Jeff Flake, Dan?
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: Dan, I did hear that Paul Ryan, Fox News board member,
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: wants to influence the.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: No, I'm not going.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: To do it.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it. We're out of time.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Don't take this from us. Dan, Dan, Dan, here's what's
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: really interesting. You know what he said? He said now
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: that he's not Speaker of the House and he's a
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: board member... of Fox, he finally has the opportunity to
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: do something about Trump. What did you think, Dan? What
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: did you think when you saw that, Dan? You probably
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: liked it.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: You know what I thought? That's exactly fucking right. That's
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: exactly how Paul Ryan would think. And it actually says
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: a lot about Paul Ryan and the Republican Party that
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: he would believe he would have more influence when he
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: was not the Speaker of the fucking House.
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: There was an Onion headline that was Paul Ryan. Something
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: like Paul Ryan inspires millions of cowards into public service.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Nice. All right. On that note, we're going to play
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: a game. Now it's time for OK Stop. We'll roll
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: a clip. We can say OK Stop at any point
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: to comment. Some people go on an all-night Coke bender. Others,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: the gentler among us, go on all-night Diablo III benders.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: But ever since the Ukraine news broke, Rudy Giuliani has
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: been going on a different kind of bender. A cable
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: news bender. Let's watch what happens right before he left
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Fox News to begin his nightly routine of screaming obscenities
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: outside Judith Nathan's house at 2 a.m. Very specific. Let's
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: roll the clip.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: All right, Rudy.
• 26:53
  Speaker 11: I want to start with these texts with Ambassador Volker.
• 26:58
  Speaker 11: Are you, Rudy, concerned that you're unnecessarily dragging his name
• 27:05
  Speaker 11: into this?
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: Who?
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: Whose name?
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Volker's name. Okay, stop.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Volker's name.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Has he just been on this set the whole time?
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Has he gone home?
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: I think he has.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they just, you know, they hit him with a
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: poof of foundation, three fingers of scotch, and they sent
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: him out.
• 27:25
  Speaker 8: You know, I will say, we did, we advised, we
• 27:31
  Speaker 8: tried to pitch him on letting us follow him around
• 27:34
  Speaker 8: as he just, like, rotated in New York from, like,
• 27:36
  Speaker 8: network to network.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: And we got, like.
• 27:39
  Speaker 8: 80% there, and then someone in his orbit was like,
• 27:43
  Speaker 8: not so much.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: I think there's a chance.
• 27:45
  Speaker 8: We were really interested in what happens in between, basically
• 27:49
  Speaker 8: walking back and forth between MSNBC and Fox News, because
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: they are across the street from each other in New
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: York City, and he does both.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: I think there's a chance he was confused and thought
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: you were the vice squad.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: For people listening, you should know that what is on screen...
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: are screenshots of Rudy Giuliani's text messages with Kurt Volker,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: who was the special envoy to Ukraine. Former. Was, was.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Just resigned tonight.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Just resigned tonight. But many people have noted that, despite
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Rudy's sterling reputation as a lawyer, these are perhaps evidence
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: of crimes.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Well, yes, Volker.
• 28:33
  Speaker 9: He should step forward and explain what he did. The
• 28:38
  Speaker 9: whistleblower falsely alleges that I was operating on my own. Well,
• 28:43
  Speaker 9: I wasn't operating on my own. I went to meet Mr.
• 28:47
  Speaker 9: Zielinski's aide at the request of the State Department.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: Okay, so I wasn't operating on my own.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: Glasses off for dramatic effect.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: It was, in fact, a criminal conspiracy.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: She's like....
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: The best part of all these Ingram Giuliani interviews is
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: Laura Ingram for as horrible a person as she is.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: And she is.
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: You've got to watch them and watch her face. She
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: seems like her heart's not in it.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: There's a little bit of what is happening.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I really want to be part
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: of this.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: I've been thinking a lot about this.
• 29:30
  Speaker 11: Okay.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: And here's what I actually think is going on. She
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: has a devil on one shoulder saying, this is... such
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: good tv And then she has a devil on the
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: other shoulder. Because it's just two devils saying, this isn't
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: good for Trump. And the other guy's like, shut the
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: fuck up. It's such good TV. He's like, but I'm
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: supposed to help Trump. But you're a brand. But he's
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: a brand. Here's Kurt saying, great.
• 30:06
  Speaker 9: I will tell Yermak and he'll visit with you there.
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: Thanks.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Mr. Mayor, how was your.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Did he bring the iPad? Or did they give him
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: the iPad?
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: For those listening at home, Rudy is holding up a
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: large iPad with his text on them. Which I didn't
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: know this would happen until Kamala Harris had a tweet
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: today that was very funny. It was a very serious
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: tweet about Rudy Giuliani and this whole conspiracy thing. And
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: she was like, Rudy Giuliani did hold up his large
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: iPad with text. And I do think it was very troubling.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: It was like his gigantic message. Yeah, it looks like
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: the sideline of an NFL game. That's the Surface Pro
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: showing the replay.
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: Do you think he walks around with that iPad texting?
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: He's definitely the dad.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the question. Is it his or was it Fox's?
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: I would have guessed him to still have a flip
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: phone would have been my way. I would have thought
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: about this.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: I will tell you, though, there's something that I know
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: with 100% certainty about. which is he is definitely the
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: kind of guy that uses his iPad to take pictures.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: You're meeting with Andre.
• 31:12
  Speaker 9: Do you have time for a call?
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Best, Kurt.
• 31:16
  Speaker 9: Now, they're all over me. The Ukrainians who came to
• 31:19
  Speaker 9: me back in November of 2018 told me that we've
• 31:23
  Speaker 9: been trying to get to you for over a year.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, stop.
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: He is.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Giuliani, tech show, State Department, encouraged me. He is a
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: former U.S.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Attorney.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: He is the former mayor of New York.
• 31:36
  Speaker 8: What he was doing is possibly illegal, and I don't know,
• 31:39
  Speaker 8: and I am not a lawyer, but this is.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Seems dumb.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: But here's my question.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: He's also making no sense whatsoever.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: I also just... He goes on television, he does these things,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: but at this point, This doesn't seem like someone who's
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: on television defending Trump. This seems like someone who feels
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: as though he has to go on television to make
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: clear that the state, as long as he is, what
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: he's trying to say is, I was not rogue.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: I'm the hero. I will be the hero.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: But more than that, I was, I'm an independent, I'm
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: a citizen, private citizen. I was just sent by the
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: State Department.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: I was conscripted into service by the State Department.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm doing my duty.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: I do love that he is throwing his arm around
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: Mike Pompeo who desperately wants to run for Senate and
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: to be president one day.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure Mike Pompeo is going to throw his
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: arm back around Mr.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Giuliani.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: He is rat-fucking the State Department and Mike Pompeo with
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: every interview he does on Fox News, and it is glorious.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, just so we're specific about the crimes here,
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: which is if federal government employees during their job are
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: doing political work, that is a violation of the law.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: And he is showing text messages from taxpayer-funded State Department
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: officials saying, who are setting up meetings that Rudy is
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: using to pursue a campaign agenda for Donald Trump. So, like,
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: that is what I said.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: That's not good.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: Those are, like, weird. It is crimes on crimes on crimes.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: But the entire circle is bad. That doesn't help Giuliani.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: No, he doesn't seem well-acquainted with his own best interests
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: in this case. Okay.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: That's the story of this interview and several divorces. I
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: also just think, too, with these texts, I also think
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: it's really hard right now to understand who was part
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: of this effort between Trump and Giuliani to influence the
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: 2020 election by using the powers of the federal government
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: to get dirt from Ukraine versus who was desperately inside
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: of this system seeing all this happening around them and
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: trying to manage having a stone-cold 90s lunatic wandering around Kiev.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: So that's just a note that we just don't know,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: which is why we need to see more from this investigation,
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: because these texts are, you know, as Marco Rubio would say,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: raise more questions than answers.
• 34:00
  Speaker 9: We have solid evidence of collusion, not Russian, Ukrainian, not
• 34:05
  Speaker 9: with Trump, with Hillary and the DNC. We believe George
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: Soros is behind it because his company.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, stop.
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: So my favorite thing is just dropping a George Soros
• 34:17
  Speaker 8: in there. Boom, Soros.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Out of nowhere.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Out of nowhere. And he's not even... Is there a
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: way he's related to this and I've missed it?
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: The way that he's related to it is that he's
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: an old Jewish scapegoat for Republican politics.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: He's rich.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: He's rich.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: He's rich. Don't forget the rich part.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: That's it. That's all you need.
• 34:37
  Speaker 8: That's the only reason I wanted to stop this is because, like,
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: just drop a George Soros and you're good. You're good.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Was involved in it.
• 34:44
  Speaker 11: What do you say to Mitt Romney tonight, given that
• 34:47
  Speaker 11: he runs to the cameras to express his deeply troubled
• 34:52
  Speaker 11: opinion about this?
• 34:53
  Speaker 9: One time Bill Clinton asked me, what's this guy Romney like?
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: You know what I told him?
• 34:58
  Speaker 9: He's our Al Gore.
• 35:01
  Speaker 11: All right, Rudy, hold that thought.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Stay right there.
• 35:03
  Speaker 11: My producers are telling me that we need to squeeze
• 35:06
  Speaker 11: in a break.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: I would urge everyone listening at home to do a
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: quick do a quick little Alta Vista search for the
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: body movements we got to see in the theater and
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: that's okay stop.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: That is Amazing.
• 35:36
  Speaker 8: I like the 10 people who laughed at the Alta
• 35:38
  Speaker 8: Vista joke. Yeah.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Very 90s. All right.
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: Let's talk about how impeachment is affecting the Democratic primary,
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: which as far as I can tell is still happening.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: There's no evidence of that fact.
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, no, we have not seen it. I also want
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: to talk about how the Democratic candidates should handle it. Chanda,
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: let's start with Joe Biden, who is obviously most directly
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: affected by this.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: In many ways, Trump, Rudy, the rest of the gang
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: are rerunning impeachment. the play that they ran against Hillary
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: Clinton in 2016, accusing Biden and his family of criminality
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: and corruption. What, if anything, do you think is different
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: about this time around?
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Well, the issue is, and.
• 36:22
  Speaker 8: I mean, maybe this is gonna speak badly about the
• 36:25
  Speaker 8: media in general, I'm not sure.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: That's very popular here.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, great.
• 36:30
  Speaker 8: But the issue is what comes along with this story
• 36:34
  Speaker 8: is the fact that Hunter Biden did work for this
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: or was on the board of this company, this Ukrainian company.
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: And that means that Joe Biden will maybe won't have
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: to continue to answer questions about it because I feel
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: like a lot of that's played out. But even as
• 36:48
  Speaker 8: I read sort of Washington Post and New York Times
• 36:50
  Speaker 8: stories from today in graph six, seven, eight, there is
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: this explanation that they have to put in that does
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: say like, None of these things are substantiated, blah, blah, blah,
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: but has to explain all of those things. And so
• 37:03
  Speaker 8: that now becomes an issue. And what we saw over
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: the past week is that Elizabeth Warren had to answer
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: a question about, hey, would you be okay with your
• 37:13
  Speaker 8: vice president, if you were to become president, working for
• 37:16
  Speaker 8: or being on the board of a company of a
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: foreign country?
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Son, the vice president's family.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: And.
• 37:23
  Speaker 8: And originally she answered, no, I wouldn't be okay with that.
• 37:26
  Speaker 8: Then she and her team kind of went back and
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: sort of backtracked that a little bit. But that means
• 37:31
  Speaker 8: that is now a question in people's minds. And that's
• 37:34
  Speaker 8: now a question in journalists' minds. And I have to admit,
• 37:37
  Speaker 8: as a question to Elizabeth Warren, I thought it was
• 37:40
  Speaker 8: a good question. I thought it was an interesting thing
• 37:43
  Speaker 8: to think about, especially when it comes to how she
• 37:47
  Speaker 8: has conducted her campaign and what she is running on
• 37:50
  Speaker 8: of like, okay, should your family members be on, if
• 37:53
  Speaker 8: you are actually the president or the vice president of
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: the United States, should your family members be on foreign
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: country companies' boards?
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: I think it was specifically like under your ethics plan,
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: would this be acceptable?
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: And she was like, I'm not sure.
• 38:05
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and then they had to clean it up and
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: say under her plan it would be acceptable. But that
• 38:09
  Speaker 8: is the kind of question someone like Elizabeth Warren is
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: going to continue to get, which then affects Joe Biden's campaign.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I do think, like in 2016, the.
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: obviously the Hillary email story had lots of bullshit to it, right?
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: But Hillary Clinton was under investigation, right?
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: And she had a server of emails at her home.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: So what I'm saying, what we've now done, and I
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: say this because.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: So there was like a nugget of a story.
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: But it also was related to her specifically, right? Now,
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: in this campaign, we have... It is not anything about
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: the real story. Trump's making up all kinds of bullshit,
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: but the real story... is not anything about any wrongdoing
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: that Joe Biden himself has committed. It is now, Joe
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: Biden is now responsible for his son's decisions, however bad
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: they may be. Which also makes you think that right now.
• 39:00
  Speaker 8: But we also hold Donald, I mean, there is a
• 39:03
  Speaker 8: cadre of people that holds Donald Trump's children and sort
• 39:08
  Speaker 8: of talks about this idea of when they travel around
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: the world and they're doing business dealings and that whole thing,
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: how does that affect the presidency. Now, I know it's
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: because Donald Trump still makes money from his own company
• 39:19
  Speaker 8: in the emoluments clause, and you can, don't look at
• 39:21
  Speaker 8: me like that.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: I know what you're thinking.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm just saying, I was trying to think.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Because Donald Trump's the president now, right?
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: It was less about Don and Eric and Ivanka when
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: he was running, when he's president now. Like if Joe
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: Biden's president and his son is on a foreign board, yeah,
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: then we have some questions for sure. But I guess
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: all I was saying is it makes me think that
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: we have now reached a level where right now in
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: September of 2019, it's Joe Biden and Hunter, right?
• 39:45
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: Like they will do this Donald Trump will do this
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: to any one of the Democratic candidates if they are nominee.
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: If it is Elizabeth Warren, he will find something that
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: the media will like, okay, we have to at least
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: talk about this in Elizabeth Warren's life. We have to
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: at least talk about this in Kamala Harris's life.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Politically, it worked in 2016.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: So, like, Dan, if you were on Joe Biden's campaign
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: right now, how would you be handling this? Because I
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: think they have been trying to figure out how much
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: does Joe Biden... defend himself, defend his son? How much
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: does he talk about Donald Trump go on offense since
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: obviously Donald Trump has committed quite a few crimes here?
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: What would you be doing if you're on the campaign
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: right now?
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think there is great peril for Biden
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: here because there's just going to be this huge discussion
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: and people are not going to get to the seventh
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: paragraph of the story. And what was effective about the
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: 2016 strategy was it wasn't just the email survey. It
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: was just, it was Wall Street speeches, Clinton Foundation, blah, blah, blah.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: And The basic point is you're just going to make
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: it seem so messy that the persuadable voters, people who
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: pay the least attention to politics, will just default to
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: their natural instinct, which is all politicians are corrupt. And
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: Biden is vulnerable to this because he's been in politics
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: for a long time, even though he has been someone
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: who has always been above reproach and has sort of
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: been known for his integrity. So if I was on
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: his campaign, the first thing I'd do is I would
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: punch back very hard at Trump. I don't think Trump
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: wants to have a conversation about what people's family members
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: are doing.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: Like, Don and Eric are running around this country, running
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: around the world, getting rich off taxpayer dollars. Ivanka is
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: selling trademarks to China out of a West Wing office.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: Jared is WhatsAppping Mohammed bin Salman about God knows what.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: So, like, that's not a conversation Trump must have, so
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: I would hit back hard on that. And I would also,
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: you know, for better or for worse, one of the
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: fundamental arguments that Biden's campaign has put forward is electability.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: And he could make the point here that Trump is
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: so scared of Biden that he had to engage in
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: a ham-handed international criminal conspiracy to try to take him down.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: Because we know and believe that general election polls this
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: far out are bullshit. But Biden has been leading Trump
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: in 70 consecutive polls. And that is clearly in Trump's
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: head to the point that he's got fucking Rudy Giuliani
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: running around Kiev and doing all these other things. And
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: we even learned today, because from our secret source, Donald Trump,
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: that Trump instructed.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: billionaire... Trump is deep throat. There's the episode title.
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: We did it.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: We learned today that Trump instructed Steve Schwartzman, who is
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: this billionaire hedge fund person, who is Trump's unofficial emissary
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: to China, he asked Steve Schwartzman to find out how
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: Hunter Biden made money in China.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Another story. We forgot about that story.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: I think you've got to punch back very hard on
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: this and be very I'd be very nervous about the
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: fact that there's a $ 10 million ad campaign that is
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: dropping in this country.
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a $ 10 million ad campaign that Donald Trump
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: is now going to run over the next week against
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: Joe Biden. And it's an ad that is very inaccurate. Like,
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: just all of this bullshit about Biden and firing the prosecutor,
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: all the story.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: But they're going to run it everywhere.
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: And when I watched the ad, I was like, yeah,
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: a bunch of people who don't know that this is
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: inaccurate are going to watch this. Not just Trump's base,
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: but people who are sort of, you know.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: And $ 10 million is a big ad buy.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: $ 10 million is a huge ad buy.
• 43:18
  Speaker 8: Especially this early on when there is no nominee on
• 43:23
  Speaker 8: the Democratic side yet, that is a huge ad buy.
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: It's an anti-Biden ad, but it's also an anti-impeachment ad,
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: which will, I think, just generally help Trump.
• 43:31
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: Now, Lovett, what do you think the other candidates should do?
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: We just talked about Elizabeth Warren getting that question. Michael
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: Bennett got the question, too, said, oh, my vice president's
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: son wouldn't be allowed to sit on a corporate board either.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: Beto O'Rourke tonight tweeted, like, every single Democratic candidate should
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: come to Joe Biden's defense and denounce this ad.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: It's bullshit.
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: We should all come together. This is propaganda. Like, how
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: should the other Democrats handle this? Because on one hand,
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: you know, on one hand, they want a united front
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: against Donald Trump.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: On the other hand, they are trying to beat Joe Biden, right?
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I actually don't think those things are in contradiction, right?
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: You can say... that there is something, I mean, this
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: is what, to Dan's point, the great success Trump had
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: in 2016 was elevating the kind of quotidian DC shenanigans
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: of giving paid speeches and the raising of money that
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: kind of speaks to influence peddling without it being entirely
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: direct in ways that have largely been accepted but are
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: seen as, in some sense, wrong or uncomfortable for people,
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: elevating that and putting it side by side with Trump's
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: sort of rampant corruption, criminality, unfitness for the job, in
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: part because many reporters were looking for something to set
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: against Trump's criminality and abuse so that they could cover
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: a story sort of in a quote unquote unbiased way.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: So you see that playing out here. I think that
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: you can be defending Joe Biden and talk about this
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: without being forced to say, I think it's great when
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: the children of politicians serve on corporate boards for foreign
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: companies that have business before the United States. You don't
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: need to do that, right? We can just be kind
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: of honest about that. That said, you know, I think
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: for these other candidates, you know, I saw Kamala Harris
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: or she's trying to find a way into this because
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: it's like, You know, she is a prosecutor. She's going
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: to prosecute the case against Donald Trump. This is a
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: big legal matter. And I just see her just sort
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: of like trying to find a fucking way into this thing.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Because to Dan's point, the story feels pretty frozen, right?
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: We have Biden, who I don't think is loving the
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: way this is unfolding. You have Elizabeth Warren, who was
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: rising right before all of this broke. It happens a
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: lot here.
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: Thanks.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: And then you have a bunch of other candidates who
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: are in the midst of trying to rejigger their message
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: to try to find an opening right before the entire
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: country focused on impeachment and took their eyes off of
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: the race, a situation that may last for months. So
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: it's a tough.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: Situation for the other candidates.
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: Tommy, what do you do if you're any of those
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: other candidates right now besides Joe Biden that we could
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: have impeachment hearings for the next couple months?
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: It's really tough. I don't think you need to get
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: into the details and talk about what Hunter Biden did
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: or did not do for a living.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: That's not your job.
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: But I do think that right now, politics is a
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: team sport. And the accusations that are being made against
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: Joe Biden are lies and they're unfair. And I think
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: that the politically smart thing to do is to defend
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: him against those lies and attack Donald Trump, right?
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's to turn the subject back to the president.
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: Push it back on Trump. Now, the challenge then becomes like,
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: how do you become a part of a news cycle
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: that is impeachment focused?
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: And that's going to be harder.
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: So I do think like there will be some, you know,
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: constant jujitsu, smart events that might be impeachment related. But ultimately,
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: your hope here is that the constant discussion of Biden
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: and Ukraine is going to impact his electability argument. And
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: so if I'm one of these other candidates, I think
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: I would just go to an early state and camp
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: out and try to make an argument for myself about
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: why I'm actually the best person to beat Donald Trump
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: I have the best chance in blah, blah, blah, swing state.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: I don't have the baggage that he might have.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Make the electability argument.
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: If you overtly make the argument that these totally unfair
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: arguments that Trump is making will hurt Biden, I think
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: that will cost you among voters. And I frankly think
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: it's like an immoral, shitty thing to do. I do think, though,
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: it's going to be very hard on Biden to weather
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: this storm of people constantly attacking him for something that's
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: both unfair, but also digging into his family life.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of this, I actually think for
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: a little while, it's a little bit out of their
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: hands because to Tommy's point, they cannot determine what the
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: narrative around Biden will be. They can only hurt themselves
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: in trying to make it the one that's more favorable
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: to themselves. But I think to Dan's point, I think
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: there's a question, how will this sort? Will this sort
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: into Biden is the most electable. He is the standard
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: bearer of the party. That is why Donald Trump is
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: going after him. He will be elevated by this story
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: and be kind of set against Trump over the months
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: to come and kind of fight back against what Trump
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: is doing. Or will this sort into peace, people seeing
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: what happened in 2016 happening again and saying, oh, they're
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: running that playbook. I'm terrified it's going to work because
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: we can't go through that again. And therefore, this electability
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: argument Biden was offering no longer appeals to me. And
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: I think that is not up to the Democratic candidates.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: That's up to the news. I think a couple of
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: points on this.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: One is I think there are plenty of arguments that
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: are good faith arguments that can and should be made
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: against Biden. If you support a different candidate, if you're
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: a different candidate, there is a case to be made
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: that he is not the right person to be president
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: at this time. But it is the argument that you
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: should not make because it does Trump's job for him
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: and is a bad faith argument is that Joe Biden
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: is corrupt. Because he is not. You can say he
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: is too moderate. He's been in the system too long.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: We need a fresher face.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: There are all kinds of legitimate arguments. You don't agree
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: with his policies. Imagine that as a reason. But i
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: but the other argument that i don't think that people
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: should take into consideration is that oh they're doing this
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: to biden therefore it's going to be like 2016 They
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: are going to do this to everyone.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: No, that's what I was saying.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: This is so important. Donald Trump runs the Justice Department.
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: If you don't think Bill Barr is going to find
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: a reason.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: They make shit up.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: He was asking Ukraine about CrowdStrike.
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump is going to pressure Bill Barr in the
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: Justice Department to somehow open some investigation into the nominee
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: or someone close to the nominee so they can run
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: the 2016 play over again. That is going to happen
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: with our nominees, Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, Pete Buttigieg, anyone else.
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: And this is why impeachment is so important, even if
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: he's not convicted. It's because you at least need to say, no,
• 50:06
  Speaker 6: this is funny.
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: We cannot reverse engineer our nomination process off of what
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: Trump is going to do.
• 50:13
  Speaker 8: I also think part of this, going back to what
• 50:16
  Speaker 8: Tommy was saying, and these candidates need to camp out, is...
• 50:19
  Speaker 8: they need to listen to the voters. And one of
• 50:22
  Speaker 8: the things that, up until now, and I suspect the
• 50:26
  Speaker 8: voters are gonna change a little bit in what they
• 50:28
  Speaker 8: want to talk about, But up until now, every time
• 50:31
  Speaker 8: I've gone out on the road, my team has gone
• 50:33
  Speaker 8: out on the road, the voters don't ask questions at
• 50:36
  Speaker 8: candidate town halls about impeachment.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: They just don't.
• 50:38
  Speaker 8: That is not what people in Iowa and New Hampshire
• 50:40
  Speaker 8: have been focused on when we've gone out there or
• 50:43
  Speaker 8: South Carolina. That may change. Understand what point you want
• 50:47
  Speaker 8: to make about impeachment. And I think a lot of
• 50:50
  Speaker 8: them will start to make the case that y'all have
• 50:51
  Speaker 8: made on this podcast a lot. That that's just something
• 50:54
  Speaker 8: that needs to happen because of constitution. But I also
• 51:01
  Speaker 8: think be ready to talk about what they want to
• 51:04
  Speaker 8: talk about because they are trying to figure out what
• 51:06
  Speaker 8: their definition of electability is. And it's not just Joe Biden.
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: When we come back, my interview with Ella Schreiner.
• 51:29
  Speaker 6: She is a high school senior and climate activist who
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: helped organize last week's climate strike here in Portland, Ella Schreiner.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Hello.
• 51:43
  Speaker 12: Hello.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: How are you?
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: Good, thank you.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Happy to be here.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Thanks for being here.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it.
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: So last Friday, you and young people all around the
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: world organized a global climate strike. How did you all
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: come up with the idea of a strike? And what
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: were you hoping that this specific action would achieve?
• 52:06
  Speaker 7: Well, the strike was part of a global movement led
• 52:09
  Speaker 7: by Greta Thunberg called Fridays for Future. And this strike
• 52:17
  Speaker 7: was a little different than the past ones that occurred
• 52:19
  Speaker 7: in the spring because this time we were inviting adults
• 52:22
  Speaker 7: to strike with us from work. So youth and adults
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: came together in Portland and globally. And it was a
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: very inspiring day, I think, both internationally and here in Portland.
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: We had estimates of up to 20,000 people that striked.
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: And we wanted it to be a way that.
• 52:46
  Speaker 7: People could find a way to engage in the movement
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: without just limiting themselves to one day of screaming and
• 52:51
  Speaker 7: shouting and then going home and waiting for the next
• 52:54
  Speaker 7: strike to come up. So the goal was to let
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: people find a way into the movement and to make
• 53:02
  Speaker 7: these demands to the city government on how they can
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: be acting to prevent the climate crisis.
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: So you've been at this since middle school. You're now
• 53:14
  Speaker 6: a senior in high school. What made you go from
• 53:18
  Speaker 6: someone who cares about climate change to a climate activist?
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: Because I know there's a lot more young people now
• 53:24
  Speaker 6: who care about climate, but I think there's a lot
• 53:27
  Speaker 6: of young people who probably talk about it, they post
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: about it. What made you go from feeling so passionately
• 53:34
  Speaker 6: about this issue to saying, I'm actually.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Going to go act, I'm going to do something?
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: I think the thing that led me from just being
• 53:40
  Speaker 7: a concerned citizen to someone that wants to take action
• 53:43
  Speaker 7: is finding my voice. In middle school, At the school
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: I went to, Sunnyside Environmental School, we were encouraged to
• 53:53
  Speaker 7: join a cohort of other youth to educate ourselves and
• 53:56
  Speaker 7: act on an issue that we feel passionate about. So
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: I chose climate change. And through that, we were able
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: to testify in front of the city hall regarding the
• 54:04
  Speaker 7: fossil fuel infrastructure ban and then meet with activists from
• 54:08
  Speaker 7: around Portland. And I found out, I learned how to
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: speak up and use my voice, even though I knew
• 54:13
  Speaker 7: I had a voice, obviously. But It was through that
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: empowerment that I realized that I could really make a
• 54:19
  Speaker 7: change and that I was so passionate about helping other
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: youth find that voice.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 54:23
  Speaker 6: So you've had some pretty specific demands of leaders here
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: in Portland on climate. What do you want to see
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: the city do?
• 54:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so we have five specific demands that we came
• 54:40
  Speaker 7: up with. When we started planning the strike, it was
• 54:43
  Speaker 7: just a lot of youth in one room and we
• 54:45
  Speaker 7: didn't really know what our goals were, but we eventually
• 54:48
  Speaker 7: came up with these demands. So the first is that
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: the city declare a climate emergency resolution. And the mayor
• 54:55
  Speaker 7: actually has been working on this, but there's a little
• 54:57
  Speaker 7: more to the story. So a few months ago, the
• 55:02
  Speaker 7: mayor was invited to speak as a guest speaker at
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: the C40 Mayor's Climate Summit in Copenhagen in October. And
• 55:09
  Speaker 7: when he received this invitation, he began creating this resolution.
• 55:13
  Speaker 7: But he fast tracked it quickly through the government without
• 55:16
  Speaker 7: considering even communicating with many of the offices within the
• 55:19
  Speaker 7: city government. And he did this without community engagement. So
• 55:22
  Speaker 7: that means engagement from frontline communities and youth, the people
• 55:25
  Speaker 7: that are least responsible for but are most affected by
• 55:28
  Speaker 7: the climate crisis. So we demand that he slow down
• 55:31
  Speaker 7: this process and engage the communities in creating this resolution.
• 55:40
  Speaker 6: Was what he was going to talk in Copenhagen about
• 55:42
  Speaker 6: not ambitious enough, not bold enough? What were some of
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: the things that you guys wanted that he didn't have?
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: So he was invited to speak about climate leadership in Portland.
• 55:51
  Speaker 7: And so that could go back to the fossil fuel
• 55:54
  Speaker 7: infrastructure ban, which actually faced some legal challenges soon after.
• 55:58
  Speaker 7: And they were told that they needed to change certain
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: aspects of it in order for it to be implemented.
• 56:03
  Speaker 7: And that has not been on his priority list. So
• 56:05
  Speaker 7: those have not been achieved yet and hasn't been implemented.
• 56:09
  Speaker 7: So basically there are just several policies, including the 100%
• 56:12
  Speaker 7: renewable resolution that passed a few years ago, and there
• 56:16
  Speaker 7: was supposed to be an update on that this June,
• 56:19
  Speaker 7: and there has been no update on how our city
• 56:22
  Speaker 7: is achieving those goals. So we're just looking for more response.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: And more action.
• 56:27
  Speaker 6: What's the status now? Is he being a little more receptive,
• 56:29
  Speaker 6: or what are the next steps on this?
• 56:31
  Speaker 7: I think he is trying to slow down the process.
• 56:35
  Speaker 7: They're trying to get lots of stakeholders and community members
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: in one room. but it's a long process and it
• 56:41
  Speaker 7: will be a while.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Can everyone here help? How does everyone here help us?
• 56:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so I think it's very important to pressure the
• 56:47
  Speaker 7: government and to show up and say that this is
• 56:49
  Speaker 7: something we care about and find out a way that
• 56:52
  Speaker 7: you can get engaged in the process and share your
• 56:54
  Speaker 7: point of view because they really do listen.
• 56:59
  Speaker 6: So you have talked about the need to be a
• 57:03
  Speaker 6: little bit rebellious because that's what really gets people's attention.
• 57:08
  Speaker 6: Once you get their attention, how do you persuade people
• 57:11
  Speaker 6: who believe in climate change? They're not the deniers. They
• 57:15
  Speaker 6: believe in climate change. They know that we need to act,
• 57:17
  Speaker 6: but they don't quite feel the same sense of urgency
• 57:22
  Speaker 6: and ambition that you do. What's the argument you make
• 57:25
  Speaker 6: to people who are sort of sitting on the fence there?
• 57:29
  Speaker 7: It's a really good question.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: I would say.
• 57:31
  Speaker 7: That we're facing something unlike humanity has ever seen before.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: And that.
• 57:41
  Speaker 7: There are people out here fighting this fight so hard
• 57:44
  Speaker 7: and so bravely even though they get shut down time
• 57:46
  Speaker 7: and time again because it really does matter and there's
• 57:49
  Speaker 7: a real problem here. So we need to all unite
• 57:52
  Speaker 7: in order to address this crisis and come together.
• 58:01
  Speaker 6: To what extent are you and your movement focused on
• 58:04
  Speaker 6: 2020 and electoral politics and what's happening in Washington?
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Is that part of the equation?
• 58:10
  Speaker 7: Yes, I would say yes, because it's very important who
• 58:13
  Speaker 7: we have in office in order to see what will
• 58:16
  Speaker 7: happen in our future. We need strong policy and we
• 58:19
  Speaker 7: need strong action from a governmental level.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: So it's very important.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Last question.
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: This is such a, like you said, it's an existential threat. Obviously,
• 58:28
  Speaker 6: there's a deadline that's rapidly approaching. How do you keep
• 58:32
  Speaker 6: doing the work that you're doing without getting discouraged?
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: What gives you hope?
• 58:38
  Speaker 7: For me, it's all about engaging with the people and
• 58:40
  Speaker 7: the people that are part of this movement and that
• 58:42
  Speaker 7: are fighting and seeing how people are coming together from
• 58:45
  Speaker 7: different backgrounds, different ages, often with different motivation, all with
• 58:49
  Speaker 7: the same goal of stopping this crisis. And I think
• 58:52
  Speaker 7: If you ask people that are part of this movement
• 58:54
  Speaker 7: a year ago whether they thought they would be seeing
• 58:56
  Speaker 7: all these people striking together across the globe, I think
• 58:59
  Speaker 7: they wouldn't have expected this. So it's really coming to
• 59:02
  Speaker 7: an exciting time in the movement and things are starting
• 59:06
  Speaker 7: to change.
• 59:06
  Speaker 6: And if anyone here, or anyone listening wants to get
• 59:09
  Speaker 6: involved and wants to help out, what should they do?
• 59:11
  Speaker 7: I would say contact your legislators, contact People in Power,
• 59:16
  Speaker 7: and there are organizations all over Portland and all over
• 59:19
  Speaker 7: the state on how to get involved, so you just
• 59:20
  Speaker 7: need to look a little bit and educate yourself.
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: Ella Schreiner, thank you so much for being here.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Thank you for the work that you're doing. Appreciate it.
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: Give it up for Alex Schreiner. All right, now we're
• 59:38
  Speaker 6: going to play another game.
• 59:39
  Speaker 7: I guess.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: Portland. Portland is an American trendsetter. You were obsessed with
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: beards and America became obsessed with beards. You started riding
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: bicycles and then we all did. But you've also helped
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: start a trend that has reshaped the fabric of every
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: American city, and that, of course, is craft beer. Here
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: in Oregon, as of 2018, there were 281 breweries in
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: 79 cities across the state. Oregon breweries produced almost two-thirds
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: of all draft beer consumed by all of you.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 9: Wow.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: A generation ago, there were fewer than 100 companies in
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: the brewing business. Today, there are more than 5,000 breweries
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: in the U.S. You guys helped start that. Now every
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: third-tier city has their own grandpappy blue dog IPA. But
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: the empire is striking back. The industry has consolidated with
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: four companies now controlling almost half the market. And those
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: companies have been buying up craft breweries left and right.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: They've been hopping on the bandwagon. They're trying to put
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: the little guys out of business. So it's time for
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: a head-to-head matchup.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: All the puns.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: We are going to do a beer taste test. All right?
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: One will be a local Portland beer. The other will
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: be owned by Miller Coors or AB InBev. And we'll
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: see how Portland's craft beer does. What are you booing?
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: And because we wanted to make sure this wasn't just
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: us drinking on stage for no reason and we wanted
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: some substance, I'll be throwing in some facts along the
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: way about, I don't know, monopolies or whatever. So let's play.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: We're here. We're beer. Get bruised to it. We're sorry.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: It's funnier written out. I liked it. It was good.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: Let's bring out the first beers are coming out for everybody.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness. Thank you. Thanks, Travis.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: You guys each have an A and a B in
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: your hands. As you guys try A and B, I'm
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: going to read a fact, and then we will find
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: out what you liked and move on from there. Fact,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: you guys should just start tasting. Taste A, taste B.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 12: Got it.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: The reason small breweries were allowed to thrive in the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: beer industry, an example of how good regulation can help
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: industries thrive. After prohibition, market regulations broke up the industry
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: into three divisions, brewing, distilling, wholesaling, and retailing. The idea
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: being that vertical monopolies promoted bad behavior.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: And that's it. There was.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: There's more facts, but you're good. All right, A or B? A. B. A. A.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: Three say A, one says B. B was Stella Artois,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: mass produced, Shauna. A, the winner, opened is Wayfinder, which
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: opened in 2018. And was ranked as one of Bloomberg's
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: 11 best beers in America. Let's bring out beer number
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: two so far. Not bad, Portland.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 8: Portland's going to hate me.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Where'd that dude go that was helping?
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: Let's not talk about that guy. All right.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: He was thirsty.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: Beer number two. You guys start sampling A and B. Facts.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: In the 1980s, the Ronald Reagan Justice Department made revisions
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: to antitrust laws that allowed extreme consolidation between brewers and retailers.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: Mergers between brewing companies reduced the field from more than
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: 48 major brewers in 1981 to two today, Anheuser-Busch InBev
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: and Miller Coors. A or B? B. B. B. A. A. Well, Dan,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: you've chosen Bud Light. But B, the winner, was Breakside,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: a proud Portland beer. According to their website, Breakside pushes
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: the boundaries of technique and flavor. I can't believe I'm...
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: That is horse shit.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: I can taste the technique thing.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: It sounds like a Tinder profile, but okay.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Anyway.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: Time for beer number three. Guys, give it up for Travis.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: And Belinda.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: Thanks, Belinda.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Thanks, Travis.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: Don't say tug. Never say tug.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: Are people just cheering tug?
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: They said tug. All right, you guys are sampling your beers. Fact.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Fucking terrible.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: Fact. Between 2007 and 2016, shipments from the major brewers
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: fell by 14%. They hate these beers. How is this
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: going to turn out? Which ones do they hate?
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: This.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: Sales shrunk for the four most popular beers, Bud Light,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: Dan's favorite, Coors Light, Miller Light, and Budweiser. But the
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: major breweries have been on a craft-buying spree, trying to
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: secretly get a piece of that sweet, sweet craft market.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: That's a California beer!
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: You ever been booed by 2,000 people before? Happens to
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: me all the time. All right, A or B? A.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: Oh, Jesus Christ. B. B. A. B.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: Wow. Interesting. So it's close. It's interesting because they both
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: had such visceral reactions. But I thought it would be,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: therefore I thought it would be Not even, you know?
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: Unanimous, maybe?
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: That's the phrase.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: Or word.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Beach rider. A.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: A was blue moon. Mass produced wit.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 11: Beer.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: Wit beer? We're not saying wheat beer anymore? Right? I
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: don't know. I'm gay, I drink sparkling rosé. It's the
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: Diet Coke of alcohol. B was Cascade Brewery. It's a
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: Portland beer. The motto is pucker up and join the
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: sour revolution. It was so sour. Buck her up and
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: join the Sal Revolution was also an alternate campaign slogan
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: for Tim Pawlenty. The space between where I started the
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: joke and ended the joke was trying to think of
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: who would work. Final beer coming out now.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: There's another one?
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's another one, Shauna. You're doing so well.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you, Belinda. That is a good idea.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: Bring back the Malort.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: Bring back the Malort.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: You guys are sampling. Fact. In 2019, craft sales continued
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: to grow at a rate of 4%, reaching 13.2% of
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: the U.S. beer market. And retail dollar... Shut up. I'm
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: doing the substance. Take your vegetables. We will learn about
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: corporate consolidation during this drinking game.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: I'm definitely starting to understand it more.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: Retail sales of craft increased 7% and now account for
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: more than 20% of the U.S. beer market.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: That's it. That's the fact. A or B? B.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: I think I should say A, but I don't like IPAs,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: so I'm saying B.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: In our monologue, Sean.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: That's okay. I'm going to leave the stage now. One,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: these both suck. Two, IPAs suck.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: Three.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 8: A.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: What did you pick? A.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: I pick A.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: Tommy is very angry, though, because he's trying to do
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: this game and calculate his net carbs at the same time.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the real, look. No matter who wins, the real
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: loser tonight is ketoacidosis. Well, B was Miller Lite. That
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: was delicious. Obviously from our friends at Miller Coors, and
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: it is the greatest beer ever made. And A was ecliptic.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: It says here the brainchild of Oregon's craft brewing icon.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: Shut up. Shut up.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: I said it right. I said it right every time. Oregon.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: I said it right every fucking time. I got it
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: right every time.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: You are the worst.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: I said it right again and again.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: One time.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: One time. You.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: You brittle Portlandian bastards. I got it wrong one time.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: I know it's Oregon.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: I know. I didn't wait.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: No, I tried to say it exactly right.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: Portland, you've won the game. Wait, I just want.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 12: I just want you guys to know that The most
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 12: nervous I've ever been on stage about Lovett getting killed,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 12: besides tonight, was when we were in New Orleans, right
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 12: after they were robbed.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: It was not the Super Bowl, it was the playoffs.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: And he decided to talk shit about the New Orleans Saints.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: In fairness, I love it. He had no context.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: He had no idea what he was talking about. And
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: Mitch Landrieu had to save him.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: Literally, the former mayor of the city had to come
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: on stage to protect me. Someone jumped on the stage tonight,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: and I felt safer than when I was losing control
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: of that crowd. Thank you for playing. We're here where
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: beer get brews to it. You've won.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: You've won.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: Portland, your beer's won. Your beer's won.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: Other than Dan's affinity for Bud Light, City did great.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: I'm a man of the people. Elitist.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: All right. Thank you, Portland. Thank you for coming out.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: We appreciate you. Thanks to Ella Schreiner. Thank you to
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: Shauna Thomas. Thank you, guys.