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9-16-26 Hour 2 - More worried about offense or defense?/NFL True or False/Oh, By the Way... · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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Speaker 1: This is Mosher, Lombardi, and Kane on demand.
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Speaker 2: Listen live every weekday morning from 7 to 10 on
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Speaker 3: The Chiefs are three-point favorites against the Broncos. That's a
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Speaker 3: home game. Mahomes is coming back. All these different things.
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Speaker 3: I can't shake this feeling.
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Speaker 1: It's just deep.
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Speaker 3: It's deep within me right now. I just don't have...
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Speaker 3: this intimidation factor with the Chiefs anymore. I think it's gone.
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Speaker 3: Not to say they aren't a good football team. I
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Speaker 3: wouldn't say they're going to be bad. The intimidation that
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Speaker 3: that used to bring, though, of you're playing an arrowhead
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Speaker 3: against Kansas City and Patrick Mahomes, it's different.
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Speaker 4: Nah.
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Speaker 3: Can't shake it.
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Speaker 1: I'm worried about this game. You're completely off.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I think the Broncos can lose.
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Speaker 2: Don't confuse this.
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Speaker 1: I'm worried about this game a lot.
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Speaker 3: I think they can lose this game. But the Chiefs
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Speaker 3: back four years ago, struck a fear in you that
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Speaker 3: you aren't just losing to Kansas City. They're going to
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Speaker 3: embarrass you in front of God and everybody.
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Speaker 1: That, I don't think, is there.
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Speaker 3: I stand by it. What was that, a gotcha?
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Speaker 1: You sound like such an idiot.
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Speaker 3: What was that, a gotcha?
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Speaker 1: I don't think the Chiefs played well. I didn't find that.
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Speaker 4: Sue me.
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Speaker 1: Nelly found that. I was worried about the game all week.
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Speaker 5: I came on these radio airwaves every single day worried
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Speaker 5: about the game, and you guys mocked me.
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Speaker 2: Mahomes wasn't great, but the running attack was great, and
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Speaker 2: the Broncos couldn't tackle.
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Speaker 3: If the Broncos tackle, I think they win the game.
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Speaker 4: Boom.
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Speaker 3: How about that?
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Speaker 2: If the Broncos tackle, they win the game.
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Speaker 3: I think the Broncos win their next matchup.
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Speaker 1: What do they win the game? 10-7?
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Speaker 3: I think the Broncos win their next matchup against the Chiefs.
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Speaker 2: Vic said it yesterday.
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Speaker 3: Okay, fine.
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Speaker 1: Oh, what a big prediction.
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Speaker 2: They're going to split. Woo-hoo. Mamma mia.
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Speaker 3: I said I don't have the same fear that the Chiefs.
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Speaker 1: You and DMACC are the exact same person. Vic is correct.
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Speaker 3: Just eat it.
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Speaker 1: At least DMACC ate it.
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Speaker 2: I did eat it.
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Speaker 4: That's all a charade.
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Speaker 3: They got killed. The Broncos got killed. Yeah, but just
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Speaker 3: say you were dead wrong.
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Speaker 5: Just say, Vic, Uncle Vic, you've been around a long time.
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Speaker 5: You've seen a lot of games. You know more than
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Speaker 5: me on this.
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Speaker 1: Sorry.
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Speaker 2: Take away half their points and they still win.
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Speaker 3: Here was my take. We just played it. I'll remind
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Speaker 3: you again 30 seconds later. They don't scare me in
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Speaker 3: a way like they used to. I watched them play
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Speaker 3: on Monday. I'm still not scared. The Broncos stunk. They stunk.
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Speaker 2: Okay?
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Speaker 1: They were terrible.
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Speaker 3: They were as bad as any defense has been in
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Speaker 3: at least eight years defensively. Is the Broncos' defense that bad?
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Speaker 2: No, they aren't.
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Speaker 3: This was about the Chiefs.
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Speaker 5: I'm not worried about the defense, Brad, and I agree
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Speaker 5: with you there. You and I are simpatico when it
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Speaker 5: comes to that. Defensively, they're not going to play that
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Speaker 5: badly again. They're not going to miss tackles. They've had
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Speaker 5: a week now. I guarantee practice this week is going
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Speaker 5: to level up. I am a little worried still about
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Speaker 5: the offense.
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Speaker 1: I am.
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Speaker 5: And if you're not, then you're not paying attention. I'm
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Speaker 5: looking again at that third and one call. I'm watching
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Speaker 5: the all 22 and you're the one who first saw it.
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Speaker 5: You're so right.
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Speaker 1: It's third and one. You just had a Two plays
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Speaker 1: that hit pretty well.
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Speaker 2: R.J.
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Speaker 5: Harvey made a spin move to get the ball to
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Speaker 5: within a yard of a first down.
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Speaker 1: You go empty backfield. You go four wide. And you
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Speaker 1: send four receivers 15 yards.
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Speaker 4: Down the field.
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Speaker 2: Spread formation. And the only one that actually sat down...
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Speaker 2: Was Troutman. Was the tight end. Exactly right.
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Speaker 3: Everybody else was on fire.
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Speaker 5: The other one sat down on the wide side of
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Speaker 5: the field where Bo couldn't make the throw because it's
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Speaker 5: too far away.
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Speaker 1: So that was out of the picture. So you had
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Speaker 1: one option and it was gone.
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Speaker 5: And Spagnola, the more I look at this video, Spags
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Speaker 5: had an answer for everything the Broncos threw. That was
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Speaker 5: the perfect defensive alignment for that situation.
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Speaker 1: It's almost as if Spags knew.
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Speaker 5: Oh, watch this, the Broncos are going to try to
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Speaker 5: surprise us here. Instead of just taking the first down,
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Speaker 5: they're going to try to go over the top. And
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Speaker 5: he set up the perfect defense for it.
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Speaker 3: Do you have the play in front of you right now?
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Speaker 3: Is that what you said? Yeah.
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Speaker 4: All right.
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Speaker 3: Correct me if I'm wrong here, because I went back
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Speaker 3: and looked at it. It's hard to tell because I
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Speaker 3: don't have the all 22, though. Was the personnel of
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Speaker 3: the people that they split out wide, five wide, was
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Speaker 3: it Ingram, Troutman, Prentice?
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Speaker 1: Hold on. Let me look at it.
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Speaker 3: I think they ran out.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't Prentice.
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Speaker 3: No, they had Prentice. I know this for a fact.
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Speaker 3: Prentice was in on that play as one of the
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Speaker 3: guys split out wide. Why? And I think what they
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Speaker 3: tried to do, they tried to get cute, bring in Prentice,
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Speaker 3: make Kansas City match personnel. So they're going to bring
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Speaker 3: the big guys out thinking it's going to be a
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Speaker 3: run play. Then they line up wide. And the thought is, well,
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Speaker 3: now they've got a whole bunch of fat, slow guys
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Speaker 3: on the field. They aren't going to be able to
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Speaker 3: match this. Five wide approach. Well, guess what they did?
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Speaker 5: I can't see the numbers, but this guy that's set
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Speaker 5: up inside.
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Speaker 1: The far receiver looks thick. That could be Adam Prentice.
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Speaker 1: I can't tell.
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Speaker 3: I am almost convinced that three of the five people
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Speaker 3: that were split out wide was Ingram, Troutman, and Prentice.
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Speaker 3: And they did that.
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Speaker 4: It is.
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Speaker 2: It is.
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Speaker 1: So on the left side of the football field.
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Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
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Speaker 5: On the left side of the football field, Ingram is
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Speaker 5: in the slot. Prentice is wide left.
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Speaker 1: So Prentice is basically out of the play.
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Speaker 3: They're just putting him out there just as a prop. Well,
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Speaker 3: like I said, they do that. They run those guys
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Speaker 3: in the huddle. Kansas City sees it. They go, oh,
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Speaker 3: they're going to go jumbo. Let's put our jumbo package
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Speaker 3: out there. Then Webb's like, all right, now I'm going
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Speaker 3: to split them wide. And then they're going to be
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Speaker 3: totally out of whack on defense.
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Speaker 1: This is an example of fooling yourself. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Overthinking it. Just overthinking it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: You're moving the ball. It's third and one.
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Speaker 4: Just run it.
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Speaker 3: Just run it.
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Speaker 1: Run it.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 1: And instead, you go four wide. It's not five.
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Speaker 5: It's four wide because they kept a guy close to
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Speaker 5: the line of scrimmage. You go four wide.
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Speaker 2: But he's not tied to the line, Vic. It really
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Speaker 2: is five wide. It really is.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at it right now.
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Speaker 2: Well, who's the guy on the near side off the tackle?
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Speaker 1: I can't tell, but he's right there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The bottom line is, Kansas City had the perfect defense
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Speaker 1: for it. Perfect. Absolutely perfect.
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Speaker 5: That was, was that Troutman? That was close to the
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Speaker 5: line of scrimmage. That's just a classic example of a play.
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Speaker 5: Who the hell got beat up the line of scrimmage
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Speaker 5: that gave Bo all that trouble?
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Speaker 1: Who is that?
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Speaker 5: Let's see. Let me take a look and see who the, oh,
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Speaker 5: that was, I think it's McGlinchey on the right side.
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Speaker 1: That, yeah. Yeah, that's what flushed Bo to the right.
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Speaker 1: Bo got flushed to the right because whoever.
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Speaker 5: That pass rusher was for Kansas City just bulldozed and
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Speaker 5: ruined that play.
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Speaker 1: Ruined it from the get-go. And you know what else
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Speaker 1: that play had, Mo? Your favorite thing, Brett. This.
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Speaker 2: Come on!
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, the hurry up.
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Speaker 1: Hurry up! Yeah, had that.
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Speaker 2: I raise a very poignant question at this point. You
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Speaker 2: excited about Bo Nix?
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Speaker 3: Yes, I still am. Bo Nix is especial. I am
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Speaker 3: not changing any of my mind on Bo Nix after
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Speaker 3: a single week of football.
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Speaker 2: How many weeks would it take, though? I'm curious. I
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Speaker 2: agree with you. But I'm curious as to how your
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Speaker 2: brain works. How many weeks... Will it take?
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Speaker 3: Well, he's played now.
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Speaker 2: Good or bad?
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Speaker 3: Okay, hang on. He's played 35 regular season games. He's
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Speaker 3: played in three playoff games.
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Speaker 2: He's won 24 of the 35.
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Speaker 3: So that's 38 games total in which he's played in
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Speaker 3: his career. And you're asking me after the last game
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Speaker 3: that I saw, do I think entirely differently than I
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Speaker 3: did the first 37 games? I think he reminds me
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Speaker 3: of a right-handed Steve Young.
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Speaker 2: Well, what I'm telling you is 38, after all of
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Speaker 2: your college career and 38 professional games in, 37 before
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Speaker 2: Monday night. Why are you looking like that? Okay, fine, fine.
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Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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Speaker 2: Did you woe me? Why are you woeing me?
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Speaker 3: Follow-up question. Are you concerned about Sean Payton? Sean Payton
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Speaker 3: is 500 in his career in September.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: 500. You know what he is in October?
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Speaker 2: Like 50 and 10.
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Speaker 1: 50 and like 15.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, something crazy.
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Speaker 5: For some reason, it's contagious, this slow start in September
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Speaker 5: for the Broncos.
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Speaker 1: It's not just Sean Payton. Bo Nix by the month, okay?
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Speaker 1: In September, he's now 4-5. In October, he's 7-1. In November, 6-2.
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Speaker 4: In December, 5-3.
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Speaker 1: And in January, that can't be right.
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Speaker 3: What?
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Speaker 1: 2-0. It can't be 2-0 in January.
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Speaker 3: Regular season games.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right.
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Speaker 1: Regular season. You're exactly right.
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Speaker 5: So, he gets better as the season goes on. I
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Speaker 5: guess what the Broncos have to answer is why are
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Speaker 5: these slow starts continually happening here with this organization, with
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Speaker 5: this outfit? Why is the slow start there? And I
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Speaker 5: think the origin is training camp. You're doing something different
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Speaker 5: in training camp that's not clicking.
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Speaker 1: Clearly. And if you're too proud to admit that, that's
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Speaker 1: on you.
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Speaker 3: Well, the follow-up to that is how much does Sean
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Speaker 3: Payton truly care?
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Speaker 2: You know what's funny?
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Speaker 1: Maybe he's playing the long game.
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Speaker 3: Here, let me play a couple of.
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Speaker 1: These for you. You know, that's another good point.
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Speaker 5: Maybe he's looking at this saying, yeah, he sacrificed something early,
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Speaker 5: but you know what?
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Speaker 1: As long as you get better as the season goes on,
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Speaker 1: that's all that matters.
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Speaker 3: You know what struck me after the game?
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Speaker 2: What's that, Cantor?
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Speaker 3: Sean Payton, after wins, is pissed when he goes to
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Speaker 3: the podium, right?
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 2: He drives around the parking lot. for an hour.
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Speaker 3: Go back and listen to Sean Payton's postgame.
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Speaker 1: It's almost like he expected it.
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Speaker 3: In fact, Nelly, can you give me the last question?
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Speaker 3: It's not on the board right now. Go back and
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Speaker 3: dig up that Drew Brees clip from him. Because that
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Speaker 3: was the last question of the press conference. And I
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Speaker 3: thought to myself when that was asked, because I was
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Speaker 3: watching it, I thought to myself, you're going to ask
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Speaker 3: Sean Payton about a stupid Drew Brees story? that has
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Speaker 3: no bearing on, forget this year, this week's game, the
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Speaker 3: one that he just got his butt kicked and lost 31-10.
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Speaker 3: I want you to hear Sean Payton's tone, because I
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Speaker 3: was almost, I could have guaranteed, guys, if you asked
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Speaker 3: him a question.
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Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, after you guys lost like that,
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Speaker 1: did you see the Drew Brees thing?
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Speaker 3: I thought he was going to explode.
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Speaker 1: Here's his answer.
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Speaker 3: Sean, there was reporting before the game about last year,
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Speaker 3: Drew Brees and all that.
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Speaker 1: Do you have a comment on that?
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Speaker 2: No, I just know that I was the odd man out.
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Speaker 1: I never heard anything about it.
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Speaker 2: He was fairly calm. Never came to anything.
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Speaker 1: I was only told about it later. So, yeah, I didn't.
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Speaker 1: I was just like you guys. And a chuckle.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, fairly calm.
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Speaker 3: A chuckle at the end.
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Speaker 1: I think he expected it.
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Speaker 3: So is that him expecting it, Vic? Is that him
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Speaker 3: maybe trying to shield a little bit from sounding angry
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Speaker 3: with Davis Webb calling plays for the first time?
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Speaker 5: I think he's been around a long time, and he
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Speaker 5: understands the ups and downs of a season.
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Speaker 1: He knows how long a season is. And maybe you're right.
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Speaker 1: Maybe he builds this into his whole process.
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Speaker 5: Maybe he understands we're not going to get off to
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Speaker 5: the best starts, but we're going to be darn sure
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Speaker 5: our players are not hurt.
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Speaker 1: Going into a season. So we're going to take it
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Speaker 1: easy on these guys.
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Speaker 5: Maybe we're not going to do Oklahoma drills, and maybe
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Speaker 5: it might cost us in September, but we're going to
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Speaker 5: be playing our best football down the stretch.
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Speaker 1: And you know what? Since he's been here, he's done that.
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Speaker 3: Every year it's been like that.
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Speaker 1: He's done that.
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Speaker 3: What was their final record last year, Mo?
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Speaker 2: The Broncos?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: 14-3.
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Speaker 3: Well, they start after three weeks.
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Speaker 1: One and two.
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Speaker 2: I know what you're getting at.
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Speaker 3: All I'm saying is maybe he just doesn't really care about.
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Speaker 1: The first couple weeks.
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Speaker 5: You should care about the way it looked. Because it
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Speaker 5: wasn't losing by a point. It was thorough domination.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: And I want to turn around and ask you guys
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Speaker 5: a question. And I know we sort of glanced on
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Speaker 5: this yesterday. Going into week two against Jacksonville, a team
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Speaker 5: that dismantled you a year ago at home, what is
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Speaker 5: your biggest concern? Is it the Broncos' defense or the
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Speaker 5: Broncos' offense?
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Speaker 4: Offense.
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Speaker 2: It's the offense.
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Speaker 1: By far. And I know everyone's going to say, well,
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Speaker 1: how can you say that? I mean, do you see
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Speaker 1: the tackling? Tackling's fine. They're going to be fine. They're
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Speaker 1: going to tackle.
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Speaker 2: They're going to tackle better.
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Speaker 1: They're not going to do that every week. They're going
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Speaker 1: to tackle.
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Speaker 5: Not everyone is Kenneth Walker. They're not going to look
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Speaker 5: that bad again in the tackling department.
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Speaker 1: Trust me on that. I know, but this offense.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I saw nothing.
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Speaker 1: Hey, nothing.
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Speaker 3: I know you guys.
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Speaker 2: No, but I know you guys get on me about
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Speaker 2: my matchup predictor thing that I get from ESPN.
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Speaker 1: Well, you only, you only refer to it seven times
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Speaker 1: a show.
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Speaker 2: I don't, It's pretty geeky. I get that.
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Speaker 3: I don't even know what it's... I don't know what information.
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Speaker 5: It's... Thank you, Stephen.
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Speaker 2: It comes from ESPN Analytics, okay? So they have an
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Speaker 2: NFL power index, okay? So then you spit all these
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Speaker 2: things into the computer, and the computer's going to spit
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Speaker 2: out football power index and average WPs and REM SOS
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Speaker 2: and all this kind of stuff. Offensive defense, trends, ranks, FPIs.
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Speaker 2: It has the Jaguars at 63 to 37% over the
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Speaker 2: Broncos this weekend. And then I go, okay, let me
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Speaker 2: try to dive deeper into this thing. And again, this
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Speaker 2: is geek stuff. Who do you think is the number
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Speaker 2: one FPI football power index team? And again, I'm not
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Speaker 2: saying analytics are the end all be all.
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Speaker 1: Seriously, you got to stop.
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Speaker 2: But do you put any credence in that whatsoever? Or
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Speaker 2: do you just say, you know what, what my eyeballs
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Speaker 2: tell me is what it is.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm more off that.
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Speaker 2: And that's how I operate, too. But it's not like
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Speaker 2: these analytics don't have some truth to them.
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Speaker 3: 7-7-X-4-2 at night.
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Speaker 2: Because the computer doesn't have emotion. The computer just spits
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Speaker 2: out numbers and tells you who's good and who's bad.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: And the Broncos offensively are bad.
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Speaker 3: After a week.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: After a week.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 5: Yes.
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Speaker 3: After a week, they are bad.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's points above expected on plays. It's just
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Speaker 2: all kinds of crap.
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Speaker 1: Did the computer decide to go four wide on third
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Speaker 1: and one?
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Speaker 2: No, that was a human call.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, don't do that again, and things might change.
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Speaker 2: He's arguing with the robots.
14:52
Speaker 3: The Rapids are one win away from the U.S. Open
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Speaker 3: Cup Final, and tonight they take on St. Louis City
14:57
Speaker 3: SC in the semifinals. Be there for every moment. Coverage
15:01
Speaker 3: starts at 7 on Altitude Sports Radio 92.5. I struggled
15:04
Speaker 3: there because I feel like St. Louis City SC is
15:06
Speaker 3: a lot. Why are you calling it St. Louis City?
15:09
Speaker 2: Just say St.
15:09
Speaker 1: Louis. And then they had the S, wait, say the
15:13
Speaker 1: full thing.
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Speaker 2: St.
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Speaker 1: Louis City SC. No, you're not getting all that from me.
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Speaker 4: But at least they're Americans, and so it's SC as
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Speaker 4: in soccer club. It's not FC, no football club.
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Speaker 1: So what's the need for city after St. Louis? That's assumed.
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Speaker 3: We don't know what it is. That's a great question.
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Speaker 3: That's what I was wondering.
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Speaker 1: What's the need? Are we Denver City?
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Speaker 3: I thought somebody was messing with me, to be honest.
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Speaker 5: Seriously, when they came up with that, who decided, yeah,
15:36
Speaker 5: we're going to throw city in there?
15:38
Speaker 1: St.
15:38
Speaker 4: Louis himself did. He's like, hey, it's not me. It's
15:40
Speaker 4: my city.
15:42
Speaker 3: So 303-504-0925. Do a little NFL true false next. All right.
15:47
Speaker 3: Every Wednesday at 820, we're going to play a little game.
15:49
Speaker 3: It's going to be called NFL true false. We'll start
15:52
Speaker 3: with the Broncos and the AFC West. We'll move more
15:55
Speaker 3: national afterwards. So I'll ask you this. True or false.
16:02
Speaker 3: The Broncos defense will still be a top five unit
16:05
Speaker 3: at the end of the year.
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Speaker 2: Yes. True or false. It's true or false, Vic?
16:09
Speaker 1: True.
16:11
Speaker 2: Not yes or no.
16:12
Speaker 3: Would you like to expand on that?
16:14
Speaker 2: I think they're really good.
16:15
Speaker 5: I think the numbers you gave us at the beginning
16:18
Speaker 5: of the show, for those who missed it, will tell
16:20
Speaker 5: the story by the end of the season.
16:22
Speaker 1: Contact was made early.
16:24
Speaker 5: Nobody got beat. Nobody got blown off the field, right?
16:27
Speaker 5: Line of scrimmage. The Broncos didn't lose the line of scrimmage.
16:30
Speaker 1: They couldn't tackle.
16:32
Speaker 2: That's it. And this weekend, they will tackle much better.
16:36
Speaker 2: And they'll tackle well for the rest of the year.
16:38
Speaker 3: True or false? Bo Nix will still lead the Broncos
16:42
Speaker 3: to a winning record.
16:44
Speaker 2: True.
16:46
Speaker 1: I have to see another game before I say that.
16:48
Speaker 3: This is true or false. You can't do that.
16:50
Speaker 2: You're saying to me, Vic, that they can't be 9-8?
16:53
Speaker 2: I think they'll be at least 9-8. Truth.
17:02
Speaker 1: All right, how about this?
17:04
Speaker 3: True or false? Davis Webb will finish the year as
17:06
Speaker 3: the Broncos play caller.
17:07
Speaker 1: Aha.
17:08
Speaker 4: Aha.
17:09
Speaker 1: He will. True.
17:11
Speaker 2: True.
17:15
Speaker 3: You pause for a second, Moshe.
17:18
Speaker 2: Well, listen, it's not happening now, but if they are
17:21
Speaker 2: seven weeks into the season and that offense is stagnant
17:25
Speaker 2: and Jalen Waddell has two targets and one catch per game,
17:28
Speaker 2: then we may see a reversal.
17:32
Speaker 3: Okay, let's go to the AFC West. True or false?
17:36
Speaker 3: Kansas City is the favorites to win the division.
17:40
Speaker 4: False.
17:41
Speaker 5: That's the best game they'll play all year.
17:47
Speaker 2: Betting favorites?
17:48
Speaker 3: Just in your own mind.
17:50
Speaker 2: False.
17:51
Speaker 3: Why is that?
17:53
Speaker 2: I just don't think they're super good.
17:54
Speaker 1: I don't think they're that good. I think the Broncos
17:56
Speaker 1: were that bad.
17:58
Speaker 3: Sounds like what I was saying earlier that you guys
18:00
Speaker 3: made fun of me for.
18:01
Speaker 5: No, I made fun of you before the game when
18:03
Speaker 5: you said that the Broncos would win, and I said no.
18:05
Speaker 3: The clip we just played said, I think the Broncos
18:08
Speaker 3: could lose this football game.
18:09
Speaker 2: Homie, going to Kansas City and losing, that's one thing.
18:13
Speaker 2: But going there and losing by 21 is something totally different.
18:17
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
18:18
Speaker 3: True or false, the Chargers will miss the playoffs.
18:22
Speaker 1: God, at this rate?
18:23
Speaker 2: True.
18:23
Speaker 5: True.
18:25
Speaker 1: Oh, this is going to be tough for Mosher. The Mosher,
18:28
Speaker 1: the Chargers are as woopy.
18:29
Speaker 2: This is easy.
18:30
Speaker 1: True.
18:30
Speaker 2: They're junk.
18:32
Speaker 1: It's just one game.
18:34
Speaker 2: Though, Mosher.
18:34
Speaker 1: It's one game, right? We're not overreacting over one game.
18:37
Speaker 2: No, did you not see what just happened? Did you
18:41
Speaker 2: not see what just happened? Let me find it.
18:43
Speaker 3: I just watched what happened with the Broncos, too, and
18:45
Speaker 3: you seem to be thinking like that's not.
18:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not supposed to overreact.
18:49
Speaker 2: They just signed Valdez Scantling to their practice squad. In
18:54
Speaker 2: week one, wide receivers Ladd McConkie, Keandre Lambert-Smith, and Darius
18:59
Speaker 2: Davis all got injured.
19:01
Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
19:01
Speaker 2: In fact, one of them's already. Lambert-Smith is on injured reserve,
19:06
Speaker 2: so he's out for weeks.
19:07
Speaker 5: Bro, what is a Chargers season without mass injury, mass
19:11
Speaker 5: units everywhere?
19:12
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, dude, they don't have anybody to catch
19:14
Speaker 2: the ball there. And Herbert, that boy needs to get
19:17
Speaker 2: his head on straight because he's absolute trash.
19:21
Speaker 3: True or false?
19:21
Speaker 2: Get out of Hollywood, kid. What's his girlfriend again? Beers.
19:27
Speaker 4: Madison Beer.
19:28
Speaker 2: What did she do?
19:29
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
19:31
Speaker 3: Wait, did I do the Hastings?
19:34
Speaker 4: Madison's Beers. Just one beer. Madison Beer. She's a singer.
19:38
Speaker 2: Is it Molly Wine Coors?
19:40
Speaker 3: Rocky Beers plays for Oklahoma. He's their tight end. True
19:45
Speaker 3: or false? The Bears will set a league record for
19:49
Speaker 3: scoring this year.
19:49
Speaker 1: False.
19:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's going to be false, but man. Caleb Williams
19:55
Speaker 2: is finally getting it, I guess. They're fun to watch.
19:57
Speaker 2: He did last year.
19:58
Speaker 1: This is the first time in my lifetime. In my lifetime.
20:02
Speaker 5: So the 85 Bears, they were dominant, but their defense
20:05
Speaker 5: was dominant. They're fun to watch because they were entertainers.
20:09
Speaker 5: But this is the first time in my lifetime the
20:11
Speaker 5: Bears' offense has been fun to watch.
20:13
Speaker 1: It's been entertaining.
20:14
Speaker 2: Dude, Williams has... DeAndre Swift carrying the ball, Roma Dunze,
20:18
Speaker 2: Khalif Raymond, Luther Burton. I mean, he's got weapons there, bro.
20:24
Speaker 1: His tight ends, dude.
20:25
Speaker 2: Colston Loveland is a stud. Cole Komet, hell, he's the
20:29
Speaker 2: second option, and he's finding him all over the place.
20:31
Speaker 2: So the answer to your question is no, but they're
20:34
Speaker 2: scary good offensively.
20:35
Speaker 1: Sounds like they have that kind of depth at tight end.
20:37
Speaker 3: For them to do that, the Broncos obviously hold this
20:40
Speaker 3: record back in 2013. They scored 606 points in a season.
20:44
Speaker 3: The Bears are already at 59. They would have to
20:46
Speaker 3: average 38 points a game. But, but, Vic, that's what,
20:49
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, 38 points a game is what the Broncos did.
20:51
Speaker 3: You have to factor in there's an extra game now.
20:54
Speaker 3: There is an extra game.
20:55
Speaker 2: No, it's not going to happen.
20:56
Speaker 1: It's not going to happen.
20:57
Speaker 3: All right, two more follow-ups on that. True or false,
21:00
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson is the best play caller in football right now.
21:02
Speaker 2: Yes, true. I'm going true. That guy, he's pretty dynamic, man.
21:07
Speaker 2: When you watch their offense... He seems to push all
21:10
Speaker 2: the right buttons.
21:11
Speaker 3: The fact that he did that at two different places
21:13
Speaker 3: and it being Chicago of all places, the next stop
21:16
Speaker 3: is pretty crazy. And then last one, this is just
21:19
Speaker 3: a fun one on Ben Johnson. I'm going to play
21:22
Speaker 3: a clip for you real quick.
21:23
Speaker 2: It's a jarring number, 59 points.
21:25
Speaker 3: It's not every day that happens, certainly not in week one.
21:28
Speaker 2: At that point, I was hoping for 60.
21:29
Speaker 3: I was thinking a two-point try at some point.
21:32
Speaker 1: I don't think you were the only one.
21:37
Speaker 3: Will Ben Johnson become the biggest villain in football?
21:40
Speaker 1: Villains are necessary, and I don't mind it one bit.
21:43
Speaker 2: If my coach says I was thinking 60, I love that.
21:48
Speaker 2: L-U-V love.
21:49
Speaker 3: They're kicking the snot out of Carolina, and he's like,
21:53
Speaker 3: what if we went for two?
21:55
Speaker 1: I know the cell phone's as bad as the offense
21:57
Speaker 1: right now.
21:58
Speaker 3: Oh, my God, that was just two years ago for Chicago.
22:01
Speaker 3: That's the same radio show.
22:03
Speaker 1: Can we get a freaking landline?
22:06
Speaker 3: What did you say, Vic?
22:07
Speaker 1: The Green Bay coach hates them. They hate each other. Oh, yeah.
22:10
Speaker 3: Well, his opening press conference, he said, I love beating
22:13
Speaker 3: Matt LaFleur twice a year. All right, true or false?
22:16
Speaker 3: The Giants are going to be good this year.
22:19
Speaker 2: That's a false. They're not going to get the Cowboys
22:23
Speaker 2: defense every week. So that's a false. Define good.
22:31
Speaker 3: Will you say, hey, Giants, good football team?
22:34
Speaker 4: False.
22:36
Speaker 1: Okay.
22:38
Speaker 2: I mean, you got to nail down some sort of
22:42
Speaker 2: what's good and what's not good.
22:44
Speaker 1: Is good 500? I don't know. They'll be a 500 team.
22:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can see that at 500. Okay. They won
22:48
Speaker 2: four games last year. They'll be better than that. Okay.
22:51
Speaker 2: True or false?
22:52
Speaker 3: The Browns will finish worse than the Dolphins.
22:54
Speaker 4: False.
22:55
Speaker 1: Gosh, man. That's a tough one.
22:56
Speaker 5: The Dolphins are so bad. I think the Browns eventually
22:58
Speaker 5: will just hand the job back over to Shador. Maybe
23:01
Speaker 5: give him some life.
23:03
Speaker 2: That feels like a 3-4 win team. The Dolphins feel
23:05
Speaker 2: like a winless team.
23:06
Speaker 1: Yeah.
23:06
Speaker 2: Yeah.
23:07
Speaker 1: So the question, whatever it was, Dolphins worse.
23:10
Speaker 3: Okay, so that'd be false. The Browns will finish worse.
23:14
Speaker 3: True or false, Deshaun Watson will start the first home
23:16
Speaker 3: game for Cleveland in week three. Who do they have
23:21
Speaker 3: this week? Let me look it up real quick.
23:24
Speaker 2: They have, they got the Buccaneers.
23:29
Speaker 3: Ooh, the Bucs at Tampa.
23:30
Speaker 2: At Tampa. At Tampa. They're going to get drilled, yeah.
23:35
Speaker 5: I think they'll go three games with him before they
23:37
Speaker 5: pull the plug. I think he may start that game
23:39
Speaker 5: and get replaced.
23:39
Speaker 1: So true, he'll start.
23:40
Speaker 3: He'll get booed at home for one game and then
23:42
Speaker 3: they'll stop.
23:43
Speaker 2: They're going to go down there and get ripped.
23:45
Speaker 3: That's not the question, Moshe. The question is, will he
23:47
Speaker 3: start in week three?
23:48
Speaker 5: Yes.
23:49
Speaker 1: False. True.
23:50
Speaker 2: True.
23:51
Speaker 4: True.
23:51
Speaker 2: Sorry.
23:52
Speaker 1: These true falses are hard.
23:54
Speaker 2: True or false? False.
23:55
Speaker 3: Tyler Shuck will be the best quarterback in the NFC
23:58
Speaker 3: South at year's end.
24:00
Speaker 2: Oh, boy, everybody's on that kid.
24:02
Speaker 3: So that's whatever's going on in Atlanta. It's Baker is
24:06
Speaker 3: the real question here.
24:07
Speaker 2: I'll say false because I think Baker Mayfield is going
24:10
Speaker 2: to earn that.
24:10
Speaker 1: $ 55 million.
24:11
Speaker 3: And then you also have Bryce Young.
24:13
Speaker 1: This kid is good, though, man. This kid is good.
24:15
Speaker 3: He makes throws, dude.
24:17
Speaker 5: And he made very critical throws late in that game.
24:22
Speaker 5: I'll say false, but it'll be close.
24:25
Speaker 2: The Lions were... God, that secondary's terrible.
24:30
Speaker 3: True or false? Seattle will continue to win with Drew Locke.
24:37
Speaker 2: I'll say true. I think they'll grind some stuff out.
24:40
Speaker 5: I think Drew Locke is a capable backup who doesn't
24:43
Speaker 5: make the mistakes he used to, and I'll say true
24:45
Speaker 5: as well. Okay?
24:48
Speaker 2: By the way, his teammates love him there. They absolutely
24:50
Speaker 2: love him. True or false?
24:51
Speaker 3: The Rams will not win the NFC West.
24:57
Speaker 2: False. They're too good. Dude, they're too good. And when
25:01
Speaker 2: they get Garrett and Donald on the field together, I
25:04
Speaker 2: think it's going to be diabolical. So they could go
25:07
Speaker 2: on like one of these Broncos runs where they rip
25:09
Speaker 2: off 12 in a row. So what was your question?
25:12
Speaker 4: False.
25:13
Speaker 1: Will they win the NFC West?
25:14
Speaker 3: They will not win the NFC West.
25:16
Speaker 5: False.
25:16
Speaker 2: They will win.
25:17
Speaker 1: I'll say true. They may not win it. They'll make
25:19
Speaker 1: the playoffs, but they may not win the division.
25:22
Speaker 3: True or false? The Vikings will finish above. 500 no
25:25
Speaker 3: matter who plays quarterback.
25:29
Speaker 2: False, because if they have to go to McCarthy, they're dead.
25:33
Speaker 2: Dead in the water.
25:34
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll say false, too, because that's a.
25:37
Speaker 1: Step too far.
25:38
Speaker 2: Okay. That's a bridge too far, Brett.
25:41
Speaker 3: True or false? The Colts' start to last season was fraudulent.
25:46
Speaker 1: True.
25:49
Speaker 2: Well, I'll say false because the evidence was they played
25:51
Speaker 2: good football until Daniel Jones got hurt.
25:53
Speaker 1: Well, Daniel Jones is back.
25:54
Speaker 3: He's back.
25:54
Speaker 1: They played bad football.
25:55
Speaker 2: What? You're talking about last year, though.
25:57
Speaker 4: No, it was true.
25:58
Speaker 2: They played good. I watched that team. They played good football.
26:01
Speaker 2: He got hurt. They junked it up, and now it's
26:03
Speaker 2: his first game back. They junked it up in week one. Okay.
26:05
Speaker 3: A few more. True or false, the NFL MVP will
26:10
Speaker 3: be Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen?
26:15
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. False. It'll be somebody else this year.
26:20
Speaker 2: Oh, man. Yeah, I'm going to say false.
26:24
Speaker 1: I think voter fatigue. By the way, how long is
26:26
Speaker 1: his bar exam anyway?
26:28
Speaker 3: NFL true or false, baby? I got a few more.
26:30
Speaker 1: A few more? Yeah, a few more.
26:33
Speaker 3: True or false?
26:35
Speaker 2: False.
26:36
Speaker 3: The Packers have a Jordan Love problem.
26:42
Speaker 4: No.
26:43
Speaker 1: False. Game one. Calm down.
26:45
Speaker 3: True or false, Cam Ward will not be the Titans
26:48
Speaker 3: starter after this year.
26:49
Speaker 1: True.
26:54
Speaker 2: He was the overall number one pick, bro.
26:56
Speaker 1: He's gotten worse.
26:57
Speaker 2: Well, his team absolutely stinks. They're terrible. What's the question again?
27:05
Speaker 3: He will not be the starter next year.
27:08
Speaker 2: All these double negatives, bro, you're hurting me. It's better
27:11
Speaker 2: if you say he will be the starter next year.
27:12
Speaker 2: I like the way I ask it. The double negatives
27:15
Speaker 2: make it confusing.
27:16
Speaker 3: There's no double negative. He will not be the starter.
27:19
Speaker 2: And I'm going false, so that's a double negative. He'll
27:21
Speaker 2: start next year, too.
27:22
Speaker 3: All right, last two. The Rams or Seahawks will play
27:24
Speaker 3: in the NFC Championship game again.
27:27
Speaker 1: False. False.
27:29
Speaker 2: It's too hard.
27:30
Speaker 3: I said or. It means either one.
27:32
Speaker 4: Oh, true.
27:34
Speaker 2: One of them will play.
27:34
Speaker 1: Yeah. Bar exams hard.
27:37
Speaker 3: I don't understand anything that you said. The Patriots or
27:40
Speaker 3: Broncos will play in the AFC championship game again.
27:43
Speaker 2: False.
27:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, I say false, too. I mean, it's wide open
27:48
Speaker 1: in the AFC.
27:50
Speaker 3: And that is NFL true or false.
27:52
Speaker 2: Hey, you know what? You don't even. That was a good.
27:56
Speaker 3: Session of questions. I mean, you got to admit it.
27:58
Speaker 2: Well, Vic said something too far, and I said a
28:00
Speaker 2: bridge too far. Yeah. You don't even know what that means,
28:03
Speaker 2: do you, Brett?
28:05
Speaker 5: No.
28:06
Speaker 2: When I say a bridge too far, you have absolutely
28:09
Speaker 2: no idea what I'm talking about, do you? No.
28:13
Speaker 3: Bridge over troubled waters?
28:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a Simon and Garfunkel reference. Right, because I
28:17
Speaker 2: bring those up on the show all the time.
28:19
Speaker 4: No, bridge over the river Kwai. You've got to go
28:21
Speaker 4: World War II references.
28:22
Speaker 2: Okay, now you're getting closer. Now you're getting closer. A
28:27
Speaker 2: Bridge Too Far is a film from 77, but it
28:29
Speaker 2: basically was about Operation Market Garden in World War II, largest...
28:36
Speaker 2: Airborne drop in the history of mankind.
28:38
Speaker 5: Bridge of spies.
28:39
Speaker 1: What?
28:39
Speaker 3: Bridge of spies.
28:40
Speaker 1: Okay.
28:42
Speaker 2: Anyway.
28:42
Speaker 5: I'm tired of this, Grandpa.
28:43
Speaker 2: That's too damn bad.
28:44
Speaker 3: Can I ask you guys a question?
28:46
Speaker 2: Hang on a second. Let me learn you up. 82
28:49
Speaker 2: years ago today, right this second, guys were sleeping, getting
28:55
Speaker 2: ready to make that jump tomorrow, which would actually be tonight.
29:01
Speaker 2: They jumped in broad daylight, Operation Market Garden. And Montgomery
29:06
Speaker 2: was just terrible.
29:08
Speaker 1: Into one of those pools of.
29:12
Speaker 2: No, they jumped into Holland.
29:13
Speaker 1: Holland?
29:17
Speaker 2: Isn't that veered?
29:19
Speaker 3: I have a question for you.
29:20
Speaker 2: The problem is you don't know what I'm talking about.
29:22
Speaker 3: Texters are saying that the Titans are on the march
29:25
Speaker 3: for Arch. Is Arch Manning.
29:30
Speaker 3: People have talked about him like he's an Andrew Luck prospect.
29:33
Speaker 2: Is he?
29:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see that.
29:34
Speaker 2: Is he?
29:34
Speaker 3: Again, I always ask this question when it comes to...
29:41
Speaker 3: I don't mean this in a pejorative way, but a
29:45
Speaker 3: nepotism kind of way. Like he has the name of
29:48
Speaker 3: somebody that we all trust, right? If his name wasn't
29:51
Speaker 3: Arch Manning and it was Arch Mosier, would he be
29:54
Speaker 3: getting the same pub?
29:54
Speaker 2: He'd be a lot more handsome.
29:57
Speaker 3: Honestly, though. All of this whole tanking for Arch Manning thing,
30:01
Speaker 3: I think he's a fine player.
30:04
Speaker 2: The starting quarterback at Texas is always going to get pubbed,
30:06
Speaker 2: but it wouldn't be as much, no.
30:08
Speaker 3: He doesn't give me, from watching him, the sort of
30:13
Speaker 3: feeling of like, oh, this guy can't miss number one overall,
30:17
Speaker 3: no doubt. I don't have that that you had with
30:20
Speaker 3: guys before him that you had with, like I said,
30:23
Speaker 3: Andrew Luck or somebody like that.
30:25
Speaker 5: I think the pub was built up from his high
30:27
Speaker 5: school days, and it's just sort of building momentum.
30:30
Speaker 3: You know what's weird to think about? How long has
30:33
Speaker 3: he been at Texas? He doesn't even know.
30:36
Speaker 2: Three years.
30:37
Speaker 1: This is his fourth season at Texas.
30:38
Speaker 2: His fourth? I thought it was his third.
30:41
Speaker 1: He waited in line, dude.
30:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did behind Quinn, yours, and all. Does Quinn, yours,
30:45
Speaker 2: have a job?
30:46
Speaker 3: I thought he was in Miami. He was in Miami
30:50
Speaker 3: for a second.
30:53
Speaker 2: He is.
30:56
Speaker 2: But he plays for the Jags. Wow.
30:59
Speaker 3: Bounce around somewhere. But it's always felt to me that
31:03
Speaker 3: this is all, this started, I don't know, four years ago,
31:08
Speaker 3: and then it's just never let up. Never let up.
31:12
Speaker 3: As she says, Shador has more nepotism.
31:16
Speaker 2: Shador.
31:17
Speaker 3: Oh, narcissism. I didn't say narcissism. I said nepotism. Shador
31:23
Speaker 3: had numbers. Shador had a whole bunch of numbers.
31:27
Speaker 2: There's some ism in there. You said something with an ism.
31:30
Speaker 3: Nepotism.
31:31
Speaker 4: No, I'm saying the texter said Shador had more narcissism.
31:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I didn't mention that.
31:38
Speaker 4: I just thought you couldn't read. I thought you misread
31:40
Speaker 4: that texter.
31:41
Speaker 3: No, he corrected himself. Now he says nepotism.
31:43
Speaker 4: Nepotism, narcissism, boged on, bagged on, big on.
31:46
Speaker 3: All I'm saying is, you can say that about Shador,
31:48
Speaker 3: and that would also be true. Like, he has that.
31:50
Speaker 3: That's where all the hype came from. But to Shador's credit,
31:53
Speaker 3: Shador had a lot of really, really good... Had a
31:56
Speaker 3: lot of really good games. Big throws, big touchdowns, all
32:00
Speaker 3: that stuff. Arch has two. He has two.
32:04
Speaker 2: But it just still.
32:05
Speaker 3: It felt premature from the start with him... And then it's,
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Speaker 3: I think, kind of exacerbated in years since then. But 303-504-0925.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to fill in for Connor.
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Speaker 1: Speak.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to start out with Vic. You're first up today, Vic. Oh,
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Speaker 2: I got one for you. There's a great piece in
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Speaker 2: the athletic.
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Speaker 1: Hold on.
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Speaker 2: Vic, 40 years ago last night, something happened. That's very memorable.
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Speaker 2: 40 years ago last night, in any good.
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Speaker 1: What a shocker.
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Speaker 5: Mosher's only recollection of anything that happened in the world.
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Speaker 2: Any good Broncos fan would know this.
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Speaker 5: Happened 40 years ago in that era. The only era
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Speaker 5: that Mosher references on this show.
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Speaker 2: Nelly hit it. First and 10, Denver from the 21.
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Speaker 2: Upstairs goes Elway. A little flip out here to Gerald Wilhite.
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Speaker 2: He's going to throw the football. Watches wide open. And
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Speaker 2: the Broncos have done it again. No, that was a
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Speaker 2: pass back there. But they're going to rule it a
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Speaker 2: forward pass.
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Speaker 1: A forward pass and no throw allowed by Wilhite.
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Speaker 3: That's the ruling. And Elway is saying, what are.
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Speaker 1: You talking about? And now the crowd senses it.
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Speaker 2: You think the video will come into operation very shortly?
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Speaker 2: You know, you wondered about the play in the 49er
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Speaker 2: Ram game yesterday.
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Speaker 5: Everybody's talking about the pass at the end.
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Speaker 2: What about the shove along the return? Number 47. So
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Speaker 2: what happened was Elway throws a lateral to Wilhite. And
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Speaker 2: he was two yards behind Elway, and then Wilhite goes
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Speaker 2: 75 yards up top for a touch against the Steelers.
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Speaker 2: And it was denied. They said it was a forward pass,
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Speaker 2: but it was not a forward pass. It was a lateral.
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Speaker 3: Was that a big thing in Broncos history?
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Speaker 5: I don't know why you— Well, Moser, what's— Moser, it
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Speaker 5: sounds like I'm picking on you today, and I'm not—
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Speaker 5: Who cares?
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Speaker 4: Well, Mosher, in the tweet that you sent, they explained
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Speaker 4: that video review had just been introduced earlier that season.
34:24
Speaker 4: So this was the second week of video review, and
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Speaker 4: it took them so long to look at the replay
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Speaker 4: that another play had already happened. So by the time
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Speaker 4: the refs figured out that it was actually a legit
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Speaker 4: trick play, another play had happened, so they couldn't do
34:38
Speaker 4: anything about it. So the Broncos got hosed because it
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Speaker 4: took too long to bring up the video.
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Speaker 2: Broncos changed the world, baby.
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Speaker 3: So, um, here's the other, this is what I gathered
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Speaker 3: from hearing that audio. How did you guys listen to
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Speaker 3: a game like that for how much? Oh my God.
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Speaker 1: Didn't he?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Now Michael sound 12. That was, that.
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Speaker 2: Was Frank Gifford too.
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Speaker 4: That's how you.
34:59
Speaker 3: Listen to football games. I can barely hear anything.
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Speaker 1: Anyway, you should see the old standard death television, bro.
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Speaker 2: Oh no.
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Speaker 3: I seen those. Um, Oh, by the way, Pete Alonzo,
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Speaker 3: longtime Met, now plays for Baltimore. Did you see what
35:18
Speaker 3: he did last night?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he hit his 300th home run.
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Speaker 3: He hit his 300th home run in not his first return,
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Speaker 3: but a return to city field against the Mets, which
35:27
Speaker 3: was pretty cool. And I always think it's cool when
35:30
Speaker 3: you get– because it doesn't happen all that often. You
35:34
Speaker 3: have a guy who's like a legend on your team
35:36
Speaker 3: who goes to play somewhere else later in his career.
35:38
Speaker 3: He gets welcomed back by the home crowd with a
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Speaker 3: gigantic– Ovation?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot like what happened when Rantanen came back.
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Speaker 5: Some people call him the moose.
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Speaker 3: But Mets fans still love the polar bear, and he
35:58
Speaker 3: goes back, hits his 300th homer in that stadium.
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Speaker 2: I think it's cool. When Dutchie came back, it was
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Speaker 2: to open arms, baby.
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Speaker 5: Oh, by the way, The Athletic has a wonderful piece
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Speaker 5: today on college football. and the spending sprees that have
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Speaker 5: changed the face of college football, the payrolls of respective programs.
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Speaker 5: And I have multiple questions here. Let me lay out
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Speaker 5: what they have, though. They have, via many sources, they
36:25
Speaker 5: talk to a lot of.
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Speaker 1: These institutions, and they got people to actually fess up
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Speaker 1: about how much they spend. What program in the athletics
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Speaker 1: estimation spends the most on their payroll this year? What program?
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Speaker 5: What college football program do you think has the highest
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Speaker 5: salary pay?
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Speaker 3: Ohio State.
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Speaker 5: Ohio State's number one between 49 and 54.
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Speaker 1: Oregon is a close number two.
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Speaker 3: Yikes.
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Speaker 1: Texas is right up there, number three. These are estimates
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Speaker 1: because they're not entirely sure. LSU is four. A & M, five. Miami, six.
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame, seven.
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Speaker 5: And basically, the teams that you assume are going to
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Speaker 5: be in the top ten Those are all in the
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Speaker 5: top 10 and top 20 spending.
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Speaker 1: CU, by the way, what do you think CU chimes in?
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Speaker 2: Probably somewhere around 83.
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Speaker 1: No, they're about 35th. Oh, okay. That's pretty good then.
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Speaker 1: Between 18 to 21 million.
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Speaker 5: So they spend less than half of what the top
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Speaker 5: five teams in college football spend.
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Speaker 3: Half. That feels about right for them, though.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. That's where they stand.
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Speaker 3: And I think that that's, look, given where you are,
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Speaker 3: I don't think that's a bad number.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so I have this question. I have this question.
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Speaker 5: We know the numbers exist. We know the spending is there.
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Speaker 5: We know Ohio State's always been spending, I mean, as
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Speaker 5: much as, if not more than anybody in the game.
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Speaker 5: Why aren't these numbers made public? If these are professional
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Speaker 5: athletes now, and that's what they are, right?
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Speaker 3: They're professional.
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Speaker 5: Brian Harris told us the other day we had him
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Speaker 5: on the show. They've got to be treated like coaches.
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Speaker 5: Coaches' salaries are public.
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Speaker 4: Correct?
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Speaker 1: Coaches' salaries are public.
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Speaker 3: Well, some. I mean, NFL assistant coaches, you have no idea.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about college coaches.
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Speaker 3: Oh, college, sure.
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Speaker 1: Why aren't players' salaries and payrolls public?
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Speaker 2: Don't know. Don't know.
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Speaker 5: Well, they cite several reasons. For competitive advantages. What competitive advantages?
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Speaker 5: Why do you think they have to be? Just out
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Speaker 5: of curiosity. Well, because it's Most of these are state-run schools, right?
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Speaker 5: State-run schools have to post how much they spend. Like,
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Speaker 5: Deion Sanders' salary is public.
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Speaker 1: It's a public salary.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 5: Why don't we know how much Juju Lewis is making?
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Speaker 1: He's being paid by the university, correct? It's a public university.
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Speaker 5: He's making money off a public university representing the state
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Speaker 5: of Colorado.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. If Deion Sanders has his salary posted, why not
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Speaker 1: Juju Lewis?
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Speaker 2: Good question. I don't know the answer to that.
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Speaker 1: I suppose it's fair.
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Speaker 3: Sure.
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Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, we were all shocked. Everybody except
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Speaker 2: our boss, Steve, was shocked that Oklahoma State knocked off
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Speaker 2: Oregon big time.
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Speaker 3: Oh, he was shocked, too.
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Speaker 2: You think Steve was shocked?
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Speaker 3: They lost 12 straight games going into that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was shocked. But did you hear why they
39:21
Speaker 2: were able to do that? Or one of the reasons
39:23
Speaker 2: they were able to do that? Well, apparently.
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Speaker 3: Oh, Dante Moore's got a tell.
39:29
Speaker 2: Dante Moore has a tell. So Eric Morris, the head
39:35
Speaker 2: coach of the Cowboys, said, look, he's tipping off the
39:39
Speaker 2: plays on how his feet are aligned. And he's unintentionally
39:43
Speaker 2: tipping the play.
39:43
Speaker 3: Let me see if I can explain it to you.
39:46
Speaker 3: One foot is farther back on a pass play, and
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Speaker 3: they're kind of even when it's a run play.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. So the quarterback allows.
39:53
Speaker 3: Him to get faster into his drop when he puts
39:55
Speaker 3: his leg farther back.
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Speaker 2: We don't think about things like that, but these coaches,
39:59
Speaker 2: they pick up on every little damn thing like that.
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Speaker 2: That's cool.
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Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, ESPN is reporting that Las Vegas
40:05
Speaker 3: and Seattle expansion teams are increasingly expected to be official
40:08
Speaker 3: in 2028 in the NBA. So that league will be
40:13
Speaker 3: expanding in two years with teams in Seattle and Vegas.
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Speaker 3: And look, it's not a shock. We all kind of
40:18
Speaker 3: saw this coming. But in 2028, pretty quick, right around
40:23
Speaker 3: the corner.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting because I think they would use Climate Pledge
40:27
Speaker 2: Arena in Seattle. They did a nice job on that building, Vic.
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Speaker 2: You remember old Key Arena, Vic? Did you ever go
40:32
Speaker 2: to the old Key Arena?
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Speaker 1: I've never been there, but I remember it.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
40:35
Speaker 2: To me, it was a lot like McNichols, but it
40:36
Speaker 2: was built in the ground. Well, basically they took the
40:39
Speaker 2: roof off and just dug like 50 feet deeper and
40:42
Speaker 2: made a much bigger brand-new arena, which is cool. I
40:46
Speaker 2: don't know what they'll do in Vegas. Will they play
40:48
Speaker 2: at T-Mobile where the Golden Knights play, or will they
40:50
Speaker 2: try to build another brand-new building? That means they have
40:53
Speaker 2: four new buildings in Vegas with baseball, the football, the T-Mobile,
40:57
Speaker 2: and so on.
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Speaker 5: Oh, by the way, I'm going to keep going on
41:01
Speaker 5: this player salaries in college football because I'm getting a
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Speaker 5: lot of blowback from some of you on the text
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Speaker 5: line saying, What business do you have knowing how much
41:09
Speaker 5: these players make?
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Speaker 1: Well, they're professional now. That's why.
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Speaker 5: If I don't care about what they make, why do
41:16
Speaker 5: you care what a professional NFL player makes?
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Speaker 1: Why do you care about Bo Nix's salary coming up?
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Speaker 1: Or Nicola Jokic's? Or Jamal Murray's? What's the difference?
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Speaker 3: Salary caps.
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Speaker 5: So there's instituted salary caps in college football, too. There's
41:31
Speaker 5: only so much they're allowed to spend per school.
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it depends on how much they can raise.
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Speaker 1: So there's no salary cap in baseball. All those salaries
41:41
Speaker 1: are public.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Correct.
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Speaker 1: There's no salary cap in the premier league. Those salaries
41:45
Speaker 1: are public.
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Speaker 5: So are these professional athletes or they're not, do you
41:48
Speaker 5: want to be treated like a professional athlete or not?
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Speaker 1: That's to me, it's pretty fundamental.
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Speaker 2: Are you or not?
41:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's a, yes, you're right. There's a million
41:59
Speaker 3: other things that they need to take care of along
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Speaker 3: with this too. I mean, they aren't contracts either. Because
42:07
Speaker 3: if they were, then people couldn't leave.
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Speaker 5: My point is, I'm not trying to degrade anybody. I'm
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Speaker 5: just saying, it's the whole notion of making salaries public.
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Speaker 5: Either believe it or you don't. I think it's ridiculous
42:18
Speaker 5: that anybody's salary is public. I think it's none of
42:21
Speaker 5: your business what people make. But we're going down that road.
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Speaker 1: We started it. We're there. So if you're going to
42:27
Speaker 1: do it to some, do it to all. Correct? Mosher,
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Speaker 1: I demand right now, how much do you make?
42:33
Speaker 2: Not as much as I'd like to. Um.
42:36
Speaker 3: I'll give you one, oh, by the way, to close out.
42:39
Speaker 3: So I get fascinated with some things. I get really
42:41
Speaker 3: big into cartels, and I started watching these documentaries on cartels.
42:45
Speaker 3: As you know, I got into the Mexican-American War for
42:47
Speaker 3: a long time because I thought it was fascinating. There's
42:49
Speaker 3: another one that got me years ago. It was the
42:51
Speaker 3: Stanford Prison Experiment. Do you see what Netflix is doing?
42:55
Speaker 3: On October 21st, they're doing it again. They're taking 30
43:00
Speaker 3: willing participants to enter a real prison, And they're going
43:03
Speaker 3: to be randomly assigned who's a guard and who's a prisoner.
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Speaker 1: Ooh, I like that.
43:07
Speaker 3: And I will be watching this. Because if you don't
43:09
Speaker 3: know how the Stanford Prison Experiment.
43:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, how does it work?
43:12
Speaker 3: Do you not know about this, Moj?
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Speaker 2: So the people who are assigned as guards, they automatically
43:19
Speaker 2: become like.
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Speaker 3: The first time they did this in Stanford, it's the
43:23
Speaker 3: same thing. They just did it as an experiment for
43:26
Speaker 3: the college, for a class. It got bad in a hurry.
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Speaker 3: Abuse from people who were assigned the prison guard role.
43:36
Speaker 3: And they're all the same going in there. They're all
43:38
Speaker 3: just college students. It went really, really bad.
43:44
Speaker 2: Maybe it's not appropriate. I don't know. But you wonder
43:49
Speaker 2: how the Nazi women prison guards, they're like farm girls
43:55
Speaker 2: and typists and all this kind of thing, but you
43:57
Speaker 2: put the, in a position of authority in a Nazi. Well,
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Speaker 2: that's the whole experiment.
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Speaker 3: Nazi prison camp.
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Speaker 1: Is power corrupt?
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Speaker 2: And they absolutely. And the answer is yes. A lot
44:05
Speaker 2: of them absolutely were abusive and, and, and a horrific,
44:09
Speaker 2: horrific people.
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Speaker 3: You guys ever seen that clip from the dude in Africa?
44:12
Speaker 3: He's some sort of politician. He goes, corruption.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: Is bad. I just used it.
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Speaker 3: But when I do it, it, It's okay.
44:23
Speaker 2: If I'm not involved in it, it's bad. I did
44:25
Speaker 2: that with the Michigan thing the other day.
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Speaker 3: So, oh, by the way, every day at 845, back
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Speaker 3: after this,