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Breakdown of Phillies-Royals trade & Philly player beef, MLB already red-flagged Clase’s cell phone use · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: All right, Matt Strom got traded from the Phillies to
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  Speaker 1: the Royals. You just heard Ken Rosenthal talk about it,
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  Speaker 1: and Kratz is our Philly expert. He knows this team. Well,
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  Speaker 1: so what happened here? Kratz? I mean, the Royals get
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  Speaker 1: a great, very durable, reliable reliever, not a closer, but
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  Speaker 1: a guy who can set up or pitch and high
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  Speaker 1: leverage situations. Royals have been very active. The part that
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  Speaker 1: I think we should start with is why are the
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  Speaker 1: Phillies trading away a guy who's making seven and a
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  Speaker 1: half million dollars this year and could be a very
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  Speaker 1: valuable part of what three headed monster in terms of
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  Speaker 1: left handed pitching that they have in that bullpen, which
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  Speaker 1: is a nice luxury to have. The answer appears to
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  Speaker 1: be a little money saving, but also some issues between
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  Speaker 1: him and the team. We didn't get further details yet.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure we will, but mackelb reported on how they're
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  Speaker 1: is a growing rift between him and the team.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows, I mean, obviously Matt gil wrote it, so
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  Speaker 2: you know there's definitely some where there's smoke, there's fire.
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  Speaker 2: But without talking to Strom, which I have a hard
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  Speaker 2: time believing he's not gonna come on the show at
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  Speaker 2: some point to talk about it, because he's very open
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  Speaker 2: about things. When you're open and you're opinionated about things
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  Speaker 2: and also you're good, sometimes that rubs people the wrong way.
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  Speaker 2: And sometimes as a player you do need to check
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  Speaker 2: yourself in the things that you say, But as coaches
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  Speaker 2: sometimes you need to check yourself too and understand that, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, players are going to say things in
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  Speaker 2: the heat of the battle, in the heat of emotional
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  Speaker 2: ups and downs of the season, and you know when
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  Speaker 2: you hear there's like rifts from the front office or
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  Speaker 2: coaching staff. Come on, man, Like you're talking about a
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  Speaker 2: guy who was an All Star in twenty four. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: he kind of had a down year compared to twenty
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  Speaker 2: four All Star season, but I mean his twenty four
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  Speaker 2: season didn't look that much different than his twenty five season.
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  Speaker 2: Except in his twenty four season he had like almost
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  Speaker 2: it was a little over two months where he didn't
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  Speaker 2: give up a run. Like this is a guy that's
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  Speaker 2: not just a lefty lefty specialist. This is a guy
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  Speaker 2: that gets strikeouts. This is a guy that can can
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  Speaker 2: throw significant innings for you. And to me, it's it's
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  Speaker 2: a prime case of what happened to the Phillies bullpen
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  Speaker 2: last year. Yes, they added Johann Duran, but they had
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  Speaker 2: already lost Jose Avlado.
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  Speaker 3: Anytime you have to push all.
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  Speaker 2: Your relievers up a little bit, you put them in
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  Speaker 2: situations that maybe they would have been more successful had
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  Speaker 2: they been able to.
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  Speaker 3: Hit this part of the lineup.
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  Speaker 2: And I think this trade pretty much was gonna happen
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  Speaker 2: once they signed Brad Keller. Ironically, Brad Keller comes in,
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  Speaker 2: used to be with the Royals, then Strom it used
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  Speaker 2: to be of the Royals, is out. So you it's
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  Speaker 2: funny how you know. It's a cyclical world in baseball.
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  Speaker 2: But the strong trade and what Matt Gelb said is
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  Speaker 2: interesting to me that they're willing to because we heard
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  Speaker 2: some riffs about Costianos too, and we'll get to that
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  Speaker 2: a little later. But they feel like those things need
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  Speaker 2: to be cleaned up. And if that's the case, good
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  Speaker 2: for the Phillies for trading a really good player. If
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  Speaker 2: they truly felt like it was going to be an issue.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I like strong Man. I've always liked him, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I like hitting lefties. I remember facing him a bunch
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  Speaker 4: of times and He was very hard to figure out.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 4: It was like, oh, it looks so good and then whoop.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, if I'm any other team finding a way,
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  Speaker 4: if I know about a guy like this, god, I
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  Speaker 4: would you know, trade him for who womever? But another
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  Speaker 4: great left handed pitcher. Ye know, what's what's going on
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  Speaker 4: there in Philly town? Man, There's there's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: little rifts going on, whether it's with coaching staff or
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  Speaker 4: brass or whatever. You know, I don't know, there's got
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  Speaker 4: to be more to this story, like you said, because
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  Speaker 4: there's always there's always something else. And you know, if
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  Speaker 4: Strom's happy, okay. But you know, he was a nice
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  Speaker 4: little fit in there in Philly, and I think a
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  Speaker 4: lot of people liked him when he came in. And
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  Speaker 4: you know, it wasn't gonna overpower you. But the dude
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  Speaker 4: that found a way to get outs in my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: And I know Strom can get out lefties and righty's
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  Speaker 1: and he is one of the what was it, it's
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  Speaker 1: him Alvarado and who am I missing from the left side?
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  Speaker 3: Tanner Banks?
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  Speaker 1: Tanner Banks. Yeah, so that those are the three. So
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  Speaker 1: you still got two there. And remember they just replaced him.
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  Speaker 1: I mean in terms of important arms, high leverage arms
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  Speaker 1: in the bullpen. They just signed Brad Keller. Brad Keller
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  Speaker 1: had a sick year with the Cups or if you're
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  Speaker 1: buying that, you know, two years, twenty two million. It's
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  Speaker 1: not like they're losing a guy in the bullpen that
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  Speaker 1: they feel like, you know, they can trust and not
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  Speaker 1: replacing him. They are bringing in a guy who is
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be e a very solid, high leverage reliever.
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  Speaker 1: When you're paying eleven million dollars per season for a
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  Speaker 1: reliever like that, So Kratz, I know they're not the
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  Speaker 1: same guy, but one probably led to the next, right, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we just spent eleven million bucks on brad Keller. We've
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  Speaker 1: been thinking about trade and Strom. We've got another guy
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  Speaker 1: here that we feel comfortable with our circle of trust,
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  Speaker 1: and now boom, we trade Strom.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's one of those things that
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  Speaker 2: probably had the trade kind of in the works, and
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  Speaker 2: then you sit there and go, we can't trade a
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  Speaker 2: legit reliever like this until we know we have somebody
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  Speaker 2: replace them. And ultimately, at the end of a season
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  Speaker 2: where you lose in the NLDS to the eventual World
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  Speaker 2: Series winners, you probably figure out, Okay, well, what exactly
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  Speaker 2: did we need to do more of to be successful?
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  Speaker 2: And maybe they felt like they needed more to be
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  Speaker 2: more right handed in the bullpen. That's what I heard
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  Speaker 2: from different people with the Phillies that maybe a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more right handedness in the bullpen. Not saying that
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  Speaker 2: just because ta Oskar hit the home run and that's
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  Speaker 2: why they traded Strom, but it's it's a case where
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I don't think topper Rob Thompson, the
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  Speaker 2: manager of the Phillies, deploys his bullpen as a matchup
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  Speaker 2: only base like this guy kills righty's. He you know,
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  Speaker 2: he loves to have and that's what they have down there,
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  Speaker 2: guys who have success against righty's and lefties, And it's
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  Speaker 2: more of who do you fit against in the lineup
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  Speaker 2: and maybe being a little bit more right handed heavy
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  Speaker 2: is where they wanted to be because they went into
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs last year with two lefties and Strom and
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  Speaker 2: Tanner Banks and now this year, all health being the same,
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  Speaker 2: they will go into the playoffs if they make the
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  Speaker 2: playoffs with two lefties and Alvarado and taaror Banks.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, and Kansas City has gotten a lot better the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of weeks too, so credit to them get
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  Speaker 1: a nice piece for the bullpen. Also, they locked up
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  Speaker 1: mikel Garcia long term and bought out a couple of
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  Speaker 1: years of free agency. Why you don't love what they've
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  Speaker 1: done so far?
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  Speaker 3: Is it enough?
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  Speaker 2: And everyone's gonna say the Ale Central is winnable. These
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  Speaker 2: are little pieces that will be cool if nothing else happens.
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  Speaker 2: They will be great if they get if they're able
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  Speaker 2: to take care of that slug and they need the slug.
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  Speaker 2: And it's tough to find slug in Kaufman. Like you
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  Speaker 2: can find dudes that hit dingers, but if you find
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  Speaker 2: dudes that hit dingers in Kaufman, now we're talking a
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  Speaker 2: different level. Even more so that doubles hitter, the doubles
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  Speaker 2: hitter that fits into the Royals lineup without punching out
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  Speaker 2: because you can't. You can't sacrifice and be like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: everybody hit dingers now and they become, you know, even
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  Speaker 2: middle of the pack strikeout their team. That was first
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  Speaker 2: or second with the Blue Jays the whole year in strikeouts.
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  Speaker 2: The issue was they weren't driving the ball. They got
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  Speaker 2: to figure out how to drive the ball, and they
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  Speaker 2: got to put somebody in that lineup that enables other
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  Speaker 2: hitters like Bob with Vinnie Pasquentino, mikel Garcia to be
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  Speaker 2: able to drive the ball. They have to have somebody
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  Speaker 2: that looks afret, looks scary in that lineup so that
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  Speaker 2: those other guys who do have power get pitches to
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  Speaker 2: drive or else it's just corners. You got to take
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  Speaker 2: your singles from all those from all those elite, all
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  Speaker 2: star level hitters, because you're never you never need to
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  Speaker 2: really throw to them because the bottom part of your
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  Speaker 2: order or even like five six seven part of your
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  Speaker 2: order doesn't do enough damage.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe one more big boy bat I mean Mike
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  Speaker 1: g in the chests like Donovan or can tell Marte
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  Speaker 1: to case next book at Scott Now that now we're
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  Speaker 1: talking right, Because then you add Isaac Collins, Lane Thomas.
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  Speaker 1: You've got some of the superstars in place in Wit
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  Speaker 1: and Michael Garcia, butting Star Salvi's there, Vinnie p Jackkags.
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  Speaker 1: You get one more, you start to feel really really good.
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  Speaker 1: In my opinion, one more like that. Either of those
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  Speaker 1: two guys are are huge. Cantello is a superstar. Brendan
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  Speaker 1: Donovan is an All Star level play player. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if he's made a team yet, but he's that
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  Speaker 1: level player. So either way, Todd fother that would be
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  Speaker 1: a massive pickup for Case if they're wieling and dealing
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  Speaker 1: right now, and it's easier to do that for them
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  Speaker 1: generally than hit free agency.
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  Speaker 3: One hundred percent.
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  Speaker 4: I think the ongoing theme, as you've said one hundred
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  Speaker 4: different ways, one hundred different times, is if they can
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  Speaker 4: get one more big bat, and I think that's for
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  Speaker 4: every single team. But yes, Marte, I've seen one of
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  Speaker 4: the furthest policy's ever hit. When I played against him
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  Speaker 4: the one year right handed.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, this guy's for real.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, as long as you're doing something, teams are
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  Speaker 4: doing stuff and everybody's like, oh well, oh okay, well
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  Speaker 4: this and that what they're they're thinking, They're trying to
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  Speaker 4: do some other things. Yeah, there's some bad trades, of course,
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  Speaker 4: but ultimately it seems like the same team's over and
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  Speaker 4: over are trying to get things done, that's all, And
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  Speaker 4: you come, I'm happy with that.
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  Speaker 3: What are the Royals okay? Trading?
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, we have Rex Huddler on the other day and
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  Speaker 2: he was talking about No, you can't have Cole Reagan's
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  Speaker 2: like Cole Reagan's just throwing game on of a playoff series.
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  Speaker 2: You can't have him. What do the Diamondbacks want? They
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: want pitching. The Royals have been willing to trade some
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  Speaker 2: of their pitchers. JJ Piccolo said there's one guy who's
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  Speaker 2: untouchable and he didn't name it, but you can pretty
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  Speaker 2: much figure out who it is for the Royals rotation.
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  Speaker 2: But if you are able to help the Diamondbacks out
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  Speaker 2: with their pitching need, and you're able to add at
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  Speaker 2: Katel Marte, people will be like, oh, you know, there's
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  Speaker 2: a little we're worried about his you know, his makeup,
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: the things that happened. This is why you kept Salvador
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  Speaker 2: Perez on this roster. His value is getting the most
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: out of every player, Latin players, American players, pitchers, position players,
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  Speaker 2: because he sets an example of I don't care what's
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  Speaker 2: going on around you. I'm going to be out on
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  Speaker 2: the field. I might not catch one hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 2: games anymore like when crats my backup, but I'm gonna
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: be out there one hundred and sixty games because that's
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: what you do when a team pays you. His His
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: focus is I'm a Kansas City royal, You're a Kansas
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  Speaker 2: City Royal. We're gonna go out there and play. Bobby
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  Speaker 2: Wit can be a great example to that. But Bobby Wits,
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: you know, would be much younger than a could tell
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  Speaker 2: Marte he's a budding superstar. But Salvi has that like
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  Speaker 2: the Don the Godfather type of focus for a lot
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  Speaker 2: of Latin players that I think could tell Marte would
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  Speaker 2: fall into that. He would enjoy that. He would definitely
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  Speaker 2: he would feed off of that. And you're automatically getting
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  Speaker 2: you know, a guy who can be in the MVP
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  Speaker 2: consideration year in and year out.
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  Speaker 1: Who is the untouchable for k C. Is it Reagan's
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  Speaker 1: because he's their best arm? Okay, just make it?
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  Speaker 3: I think yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it sounds like, you know, Waka is gonna
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: be there. Chris Boubage could get down. I mean he
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: was kind of a bust for them for a bit
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: and then he broke out last year. But maybe they
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: sell high on Boo bitch. I would seth Lugo didn't
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  Speaker 1: have as good as a year last year. Noah Cameron
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  Speaker 1: had a breakout rookie season, A little old or was
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  Speaker 1: he twenty six, which you could look at as a
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  Speaker 1: good or a bad thing. You should get some prime
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  Speaker 1: years of him at a really cheap rate. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think they're going to be shopping someone like that. It
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: would be shopping someone that's got a little cash to
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: them and then that can offset. Say if it was Arizona,
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  Speaker 1: and it doesn't sound like they're necessarily the front runners,
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  Speaker 1: but that would be a deal. If they could figure out.
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  Speaker 3: A can tell, they would be the AL set.
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  Speaker 2: I love when we talk about this kind of stuff
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  Speaker 2: because it's like, well, what does that make that team?
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  Speaker 2: It makes that team the favorite in the American League
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  Speaker 2: if they keep Cole Reagan's in the American League Central,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, in the American League Central. To me, it
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  Speaker 2: makes them the favorite when it happens. Obviously, Detroit has
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  Speaker 2: to do some stuff. Obviously Detroit still has Scooball, but
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  Speaker 2: the Central. That's why the Royals started pushing. Yes, they
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: started pushing some of these contracts because one they signed
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: Bobby Witt. They want a new stadium. I get that,
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  Speaker 2: but they know that look at what the AL Central
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  Speaker 2: is right now. The White Sox are down, the Tigers,
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  Speaker 2: are you know they've had a good resurgence, but are
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  Speaker 2: they willing to push all in?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 2: The Guardians are never looking to push in, So it's
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  Speaker 2: an opportunity for them to possibly take this division with
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  Speaker 2: one move. That move will be expensive, but it's not
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  Speaker 2: like you're getting a one year rental, which the Royals
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: hate one year rentals. They beginning to tell Martez think
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: for five more seasons, either four or five more seasons.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure what his contract at a great price too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. Hey, last thing on the Royals
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  Speaker 1: Phillies situation, back to what Todd father was talking about,
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  Speaker 1: because it seems like you guys are on opposite ends here.
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: Todd Fithers like, hey, there's a little bit of beef
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  Speaker 1: here with some players in Philly, and Crats is like, man,
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  Speaker 1: it's not that much, right, Well, let's up the other
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  Speaker 1: part of this. Nick Castianos is probably going to get
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  Speaker 1: traded or he'll definitely get released. If not, right, he's
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: not going to be with the Phillies next year. And
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: you know, we keep getting little bits and pieces. So
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  Speaker 1: the Philly Show, our show talked about it and Jess,
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  Speaker 1: who's his wife, right, has been commenting on some things
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  Speaker 1: on socials. Just just chime in on a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of action here and there, So I mean, gabble it.
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: You kind of run point here and throw stuff up
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  Speaker 1: on the screen and we'll react to it, and then
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  Speaker 1: we can show a clip too. But I'll follow your lead.
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  Speaker 1: So I can read some tweets here. My computer is
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  Speaker 1: a little tiny today for me to read them, so
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: if you want to bring them up, I can rack
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  Speaker 1: them for you. We can start, I think with the
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: Philly Show where Todd Zelecki said the Castianos trade is
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  Speaker 1: more likely to come later in the off season despite
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: the Phillies seemingly having his replacement in place, and that
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: is dolely scarcia. By the way, I've heard people say
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not interested in Nick Stianos at any price, mentioning
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: the defense is a big reason why. So we saw
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: that from the Phillies Show, and I believe there was
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: a comment there from Jess after that, but also will
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: show John Stoleness only one player had an issue with
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  Speaker 1: Rob Thompson the last four years. You'll have to forgive
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  Speaker 1: me if I don't buy the spin that the Castianos
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  Speaker 1: camp will put on all of this. He's not a
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: good player. He talked his way out of town? Is
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: that a Philly guy, Kratz.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't see the name of who it was Stonemas,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know prout right now. Finally, Oh, a news
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  Speaker 1: producer and reporter who as a Phillies He covers Phillies, Eagles,
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  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. He's a writer. Jess Castianos
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  Speaker 1: replied to Lol. And then there's one more here, I
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  Speaker 1: think from a fan who said, I hope that once
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: where Nick is playing is settled, he can go on
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  Speaker 1: a podcast or something and tell his side of things,
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: because a lot of what is being said about him
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: and had this being handled doesn't pass the sniff test.
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  Speaker 1: Jess Nick's wife posted, Oh, you guys would love it.
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  Speaker 3: Lol.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: It sounds like a future Nick Castiano's appearance on Foul
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  Speaker 1: Territory to go over what happens. That is what the
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  Speaker 1: show is for when needed.
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  Speaker 2: Look, Nick Castianos is outs above average, all the range
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  Speaker 2: stuff everything. It's not very nice to Nick. You also
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: want to look up on Baseball Reference how many airs
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  Speaker 2: Nick has in the outfield.
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  Speaker 3: Zero.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: You also want to look up the last two seasons.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: When Scott Braun says the Phillies are a regular season team,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: one of two guys that shows up in the playoffs
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: for the Phillies on a year in and year out basis,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: it's Nick Costiano. So just be careful everybody. When you're like,
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: I want to run this guy out of town. You
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: know his defense and baseball is gonna be like, oh
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: his defense is this. Go to a Philly game. Look
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: where he plays. Look where they have him played. Is
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: that because they don't think his range is good?
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Maybe?
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: But understand that the range and the outs above average
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: is only a math equation that is set up based
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: on where the defender starts and where the ball ends up.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Is he winning a goal? Glove and right field? That's
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: not what I'm saying. But do the eye test. Do
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: the eye test to knicks defense and understand what he's bringing.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe right field might not be the place, but I
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: guarantee you I can name a lot of players that
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: played left field before all this outs above average and
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: range factor and everything were really as as public and
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: as you know, mainstream as it is now. Because everybody
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: leans right onto it. They're like, oh yeah, yeah, look
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: look at this terrible, terrible, terrible. Go watch him play,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Go watch him play, see where he starts for every play.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: And then I went you to make your own evaluation.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: If you think he's as quote everybody wants to jump
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: on board as terrible as he is because I don't
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: believe it.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: I agree, I agree totally. You you are spot on
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: with everything. And they you know, they always talk about
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: defense and this and that. You know about someone's highlight reels.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: He gets to these balls and he's a great player.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: He can hit the ball, and you know, he's like
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: anybody else. They'll go through spurts where they're struggling. That's
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: baseball in the nutshell. As you get older, that's going
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: to happen. I think he's a phenomenal player. You know,
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: people are going to say something about him speaking up.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: That's been him. He speaks up about things, and there's
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: nothing wrong with that. You know that that's just part
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: of his mo He's going to tell you how he feels.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: And if there's a problem, if it's not going to
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: get solved, he's going to tell you, so so be it.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: If he can't handle that, then move on. But he
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: is he's a great player. You know, he came up
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: as a third baseman. He was good there too as well.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: Put him in right field. I there's two types of
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: players there. There's I call him those five o'clock hitter,
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: the seven o'clock hitters. Five o'clock hitters. You don't want.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: You want those guys when the lights come on and
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: they shine bright. He's been doing that for a long
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: time now.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: And he also they're gonna we're gonna get We're gonna
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: get roasted. You're gonna get roasted from from Philly fans.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: They're like, well, did you watch every game when he
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: would swing at the very first pitch and everything?
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: I did it too. We all like that.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: That is the that's the beauty of playing in a
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: major market. That in my opinion, I think Philly fans
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: still look at the batting average and when it's on
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: the board, they're like, what look at his batting average?
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: This guy stinks, Yo, this guy's go we gotta get
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Nick out of here. I don't think you were saying
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: that in the twenty four playoffs when he was coming
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: up clutch, clutch, clutch in the playoffs and people would
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: be like, yo, well, I remember what about display in
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: the World Series when he popped out on a slider
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: down and a way against Ryan Presley to lose the
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: World Series for US. Obviously, you can you can pick
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: you can pick a million different videos of a guy
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: chasing out of his own. The reality is Nick is
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: somewhere in between a twenty million dollar player and somebody
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: who should be released. And I think when you play
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: in a city and you speak your mind, sometimes everybody
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: thinks you better be hitting three hundred or you're not
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: a good player anymore because you opened your mouth. And
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: that's why I think sometimes players don't want to say things.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: They don't want to you know, they don't want to
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: buck the system, they don't want to rock the boat.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: The reality is, the best teams have people that are
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: willing to say things and step up, not just for
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: your own selfish ambition, but for the betterment of the team.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: And I think Nick truly believed he should have been
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: a guy that was out there every single day, and
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: he strapped it up, he strapped it out. He came
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: up with like Manny Machado play. You know, they all
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: learned young. And we even had Nick on here talking
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: about well what does that mean? What does that mean
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: to play every day? He's like, it means everything, Like
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: sometimes you play at eighty percent because you should be
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: out there every single day. And when he got taken
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: out of the lineup, that was that was definitely something
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: that he you know, I think he didn't take it
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: like it hurt his feelings and he voiced his opinion.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Now he might leave, but I still think he's got
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: a lot of talk about meat on the bone. Somebody's
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: gonna get a guy who's gonna go out there every
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: single day. Might not play right field for you, but
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: he's gonna hit and he's gonna get some clutch hits.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's still a big league ballplayer for me. If
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: you're obsessed with defense and you want to leave him
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: out of there pretty frequently, that's fine. But I still
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: think he's got the chops. And just two quick comments
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: on this one. Which guy would you rather have in
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the outfields? Tay Oscar Hernandez or Nick Castianos. Right, Castianos
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: doesn't cover as much ground, but he doesn't make the
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: mistakes that Taeo does.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it'd say Nick Castianos.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, So those guys are just working in two
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: different worlds right now in terms of how can I
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: look at that.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: If you can hit, I'm taking you over, you know,
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: an they've both.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Had no tail over. Yeah, but they're I'm just saying
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: those two guys like there's a difference, but I just
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: don't think it's as much bit of a difference as
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: most of the public views.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: There's also a difference in playing left field and right field.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I was crying for tay Oscar to play left field
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: last year. I thought they were doing him a disservice
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: because they had Confordo, who they just kept putting out there,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: and they could have possibly upgraded in right field and
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: pushed Tayo where I think left field. Not to get
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: into the intricacies of it, but left field you can
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: mitigate a lot of the issues that right fielders are
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: getting dinged on the range and outs above average.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: And then one more thing to comment on your batting
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: average situation. Do you guys know how many players hit
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: thrown three hundred or better this year internationally? No total
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: that hit three hundred better than When you say like,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: because I agree, I still talk to plenty of fans
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: that watch the sport regularly and bring up batting average
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: so frequently like, oh, it isn't even it close to
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: three hundred. I'm like, bro, do you know how many
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: people hit three hundred in the big leagues this past season?
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Give me a guest.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Guys this past season, I'm the National League was one.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I know that Trey Turner was less than.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Five seven total three hundred or better. Like Yondi Diaz
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: hit three hundred on the dot, Trey Turner three oh four,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Jeremy Paniea three oh four, George Springer three oh nine,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: and we had three to eleven for Boba Schett and
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Jacob Wilson and Judgy at three thirty one. That's it.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: We had. Those guys had injuries too, so they missed
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: some time as well.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean they were still hitters. But my
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: point is qualified, that's fucking how many people hit three
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: hundred anymore? Like relax when people are oh, it isn't
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: it you know even to eighty right the league average?
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I think right now, what is it? Krats two forty
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: five or something like that, I'd still be part of
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: average most teams it was, Yeah, it.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Would be a trickle lower and it definitely is in
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: on base percentage. And Nick had it down year this year,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: there's no doubt. But you're also talking about a guy
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: who can contribute at a higher level than what he
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: has in the last two years.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Nobody's gonna deny that.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Nobody's and you know, my Philly Twitter account is going
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: to get get you know, roasted for saying that. But
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: the reality is you do want the best player out there.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Just be careful when you ask for an upgrade because
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: the grass isn't always greener. That's all I'm gonna say.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: With getting rid of Nick Costianos.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: The news is fast and furious today, let's get to
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: a manual class popping back up in the news. And
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: this story came out right before the show started, so
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I did not read the full article yet, but we
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: like to bring it as soon as we can, and
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I'll give you bits and pieces. The article from Evan
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Drelik and Zach Maizel and The Athletic is titled before
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Betting Probe MLB caught a manual Class A breaking cell
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: phone rules built for the sign stealing era, and it
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: talks about how Evan and Zach learned that MLB had
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: reprimanded Class A for impermissible cell phone use at least
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: once before knowledge of the entire betting scandal that came out.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: And we know all about that story. We've done plenty
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: of videos on that, so you can look back. I mean,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: he was involved allegedly, right, there's court case coming up
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: in helping betters on certain pitches that he was manipulating
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: to win bets. So the indictment here does cite an
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: instance of Luis Ortiz using his cell phone. He's the
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: other guy in that case, right or Te's and Class
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: A both will be in front of a court at
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: some point soon. But it was a Class A who
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I guess apparently was using his cell phone. I'm kind
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: of learning this stuff as we go, But thoughts on
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: this one, guys, and could we show the other Evandralic
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: tweet or I can read it because I think that's
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: important context here, I.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Mean, while we bring that up, Scott, Like I, when
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I read the court case or when I read the indictment,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: it said Class A minutes before going on to the
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: field made a phone call too. And I forget the
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: person's name, but made a phone call. I don't and
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: I didn't look more into it when I first read that,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I was like you mean minutes before he went out
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: to be on the field in like the sixth inning,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: or did we mean like he had his cell phone
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: in the bullpen? Like I feel like we kind of
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: heard this, but then it kind of got glossed over.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: So for this to come out to japers days, come.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: On, I'll give you a little more here before Todd
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Father time in so Evan Drelik said, MLB kept hearing
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: player complaints about the restrictions on cell phone usage that
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: was put in for sign stealing, so the league agreed
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: with the union before this past season to a change.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Cell phones were now allowed in clubhouses during games for
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: personal use. That wasn't the case because we had sign
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: stealing happening illegally within the game itself. We had issues
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: with phones being used in the past. So they were like, hey,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: you can't use your phone during games, Todd Father. Here's
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: the problem. Players are like, yo, I might need to
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: use my phone for personal use during a game. There's
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of shit going on during life, and sometimes
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the game can take three four hours. I mean, I
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: know they're shorter now so we're on an average too
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: and change, but you know what I'm saying, it could
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: be that day or somebody sick or whatever it is,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: and you're not in the game and you need it,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: so it starts to get dicey. Real life interferes with
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: what's going on with them trying to police sign stealing,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: so they pushed that back. But then I guess class
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: they got caught before the betting probe doing other things
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: that were not following the league.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Rules the proto call, and and he got caught for
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: peds earlier in his career. So if we're talking about
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: all the things he got caught for, that's just a
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: lot that to it.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Thought.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: Listen, I remember coming out of a game when they
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: first started doing that. You know, I got subbed in sixth,
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: seventh inning for a pinch hit or whatever. Going back
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: and trying to get changed, there was a guy in
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: there looking every little movie you did, and it was
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: it was kind of like you're like, come home, man,
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: I can't just take a peek at myself home, but
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: you don't.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Want to do it.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: But yeah, if if he was doing this before games
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: and checking his phone and talking to people before even
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: before he went out there, man, it's tough because you know,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: this just shows you about what was really happening, and
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: how big of this was and how problematic this was
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: for him. So oh man, it just seems there's more
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: turns and twists as we move forward here into close
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: to the baseball season.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: How do you handle this krats in general, the cell
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: phone situation during games, because you know, I know some
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: fans are going to be watching this and go put
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: your fucking phone down for three hours. It's not like
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: they're sitting in the dugout with this. But can you
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: take us through the everyday nois of a major league
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: game and how sometimes you know, yeah, ship hops up,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: that gets real. Your kid's got a one oh two
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: fevers in the hospital and you're out of the game
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: now and you want to get an update from your wife.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Like stuff like that happens pretty frequently. There's a lot
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: of players in the big leagues tell me I'm wrong.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: No, that happens, one hundred percent. No, that happens.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: I got called out of a spring training game one
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: time and somebody called the club, or my wife had
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: called the clubby and the club he came and got
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: me off the field, and you know, my son was
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: going into the hospital. This is back in like two
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: thousand and nine or ten, I forget.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: But.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I would also be on the camp, the side of
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: the camp of get off your phone, like I don't
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: need you to be on your phone at work. Like
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: people who say, well, I need to be on my
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: cell phone are probably not that productive at work. Like
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: if you're always on your cell phone, I think there's
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: issues with that. But I also think in the middle
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: of a game, I don't think there's a lot that
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: you need to be on your phone. For the cases
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: you're talking about. Yes, I'll remember the late Jeremy Gonzalez
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: with an I. He was a pitcher. He was in
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Triple A. He was trying to we were playing in Syracuse.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: He was trying to get over. I think he went
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: to Korea or Japan. I'm not sure, but part way
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: through the season he was pitching. He would start. He
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: would come in after every single inning he pulled his
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: cell phone out, and I remember it because I'm like, man,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: that's a big cell phone. All I had was a
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: flip phone at the time, and he's.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Like, I got to back it, yelling at it. I'm
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: yelling at something. Put it down. He'd go back out
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: and I was like, is he is he gonna do
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: that again? They go, Bro, you gotta come up here.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: He's gonna yell it again next.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Inning, between innings, yell, yelled, yelling, whoever. He was yelling
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: at every single start. It was like ritual for him.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: He was on his phone. I was like, it's maybe
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: a little bit too much. I like, I don't think
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: guys need to be on their cell phones. I have
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: a hard time, besides those emergencies, thinking you need to
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: be on your phone during a game. That's even if
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: it's a four hour game. Sorry, Like that's you, that's
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: your workday.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Right, So basically, you know you have the monitors, right,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I think they The article says there's three of them
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: now that are at games that are making sure that
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: there's no sign stealing.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: There's one in the there's one in the video room.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: There's one usually in the batting cages, which kind of
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: like connect the clubhouse, dugout video room, and then there's
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: one up in the clubhouse.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, so with all of that, I mean, this might
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: already be happening. It's Hey, I've got an emergency situation
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I'm dealing with. Can I grab my phone and go
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: off to the side and make or something's okay. Yeah,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: that's like, let's just have the human element here. This
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: is the human element.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally that we have.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: I agree. I don't know enough about it, honestly, I'm
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: kind of learning as we go. It just sounds like,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: you know, they were already on Class a's case, and
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: I mean the article it's long, so I just didn't
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: get to all of it. But you've got people in
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: there like, yeah, I think if someone's violating federal law
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: on facing jail time, they're not too concerned about MLB's
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: little rules about cell phones. So this is just an
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: outlier case. This guy is a rule breaker in the
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: past with certain things, and now an alleged law breaker
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: on a very big case that I'm sure is not
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: the last time I'm worried to cover