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  All right, we we start out on Lionsgate Cinema and hello, everybody,
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  Welcome to Thirsty for Gore. What I said, Hello everybody, and welcome
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  to Thirsty for Gore Lionsgate Edition. Of course, I'm your host, Malenko,
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  and I'm a nice to meet you. And today we're doing the Art
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  of Sucking Dick by Jordan Peterson. The Art of Sucking Dick by doctor Jordan
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  Peterson. Slop on mynom like corn on the dun that were going to become
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  culture Warriors. Dude, dude, Okay, okay, uh welcome, Oh
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  hello, Alex. I'd love to play a game, dude, Dude,
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  dude, Can I just tell you I think of this this episode, we
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  should start it a little different by saying hello everybody, okay, and welcome
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  to Thirsty for Gore. Do fucking bitch, fucking, fucking fucking It's it's
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  got quite the opening. Oh man, Well, okay, we're doing Saw
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  three fucking He's so like this dude. He plays so much more himself in
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  this one. It's kind of amazing. Dude. We'll we'll we'll get to
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  we'll get to the amazing cold open. But first I want to do Hello,
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  Alex, I'd like to play a game. Well, okay, I
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  was really picturing I wanted to do. I wanted to do one that like
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  I wanted to do like a fake, like a trap for you. I
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  trapped the trap. You came man, you game man trip and told you
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  not to do my reverse bear trap with you, not to share my my
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  She was like, she was like, don't do that. You're gonna trigger
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  him. Don't don't do that. What are you gonna do? You will?
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  Now I have to. I know. I mean, I'm prefacing.
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  I'm prefacing it on purpose, but it might trigger your o c D.
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  I'm sorry, you fucking bitch. Fuck. That totally is the exact like
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  he's for sure yelled at at a significant other in his real life. It
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  just seemed like way too real and performing. Dude. It's all right,
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  we'll get into it. You don't trigger my OCD, dude, Okay,
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  okay, okay, Hello, Alex, I'd like to play a game.
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  There's a switch tiver attached to a cockage on your dick. But this is
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  no ordinary cockage. This one is a reverse reverse bear trap cockage. I
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  added four piano wire threads through your dick. Dude, damn it, my
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  headphones. Give me a second. Okay, man, you you stopped,
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  you stopped my trap. The best part what piano wire my dick. No,
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  that's actually the the dick o CD brain troubles haven't happened. It's mostly
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  now like murder imagery actually has nothing to do with uh saw or anything.
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  Okay, well that's good, then well let me continue. Let me continue.
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  The threads are placed specifically, like go equidistant in time, splitting your
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  dick in four even parts. Yeah, pretty much. Let your dick live
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  or die, you choose. I Also, I also was having like a
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  thought experiment with ks today about like what if like Jigsaw was actually called Dick
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  Sock and he just wanted you to jerk off in creative ways. It wasn't
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  evil or it didn't try and hurt you at all, but he gave you
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  a He gave you a like a limit on when you needed to come by.
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  Well this is yeah something or you do something now like release like a
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  embarrassing picture of you. It's like, hello, Elex, I'd like to
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  play a game. You have to jiz in the most creative way you can
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  imagine. In the next two hours, I feel like, oh, I've
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  got to I'll figure something out. But but it's interesting that you mentioned the
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  sex aspect because it's so not touched on until until later on in the series.
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  But okay, yeah, we'll get to we'll get to that. It's
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  weird how unsexual it is, but it's also like kind of sexual because everything
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  feels it feels like a soft core porn kind of But but I was gonna
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  say, but that's just because it feels like a B movie. But I
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  wanted I have some Uxbridge to take with you. Dude, I gotta,
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  I gotta be honest, I'm a little upset with you because you've been revealing
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  too much within the episodes for the next movie for me and I reveal on
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  this one. I forget well you just like I had been making the observation
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  that some of the kills seemed like a no win situation and you were like,
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  well, we'll get we'll get to that, dude, We'll get you.
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  And you did it in too jolty away where you were like shaking too
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  much about it, and I was like, well, obviously I know now
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  that it's we were on a twist, dude, should we not tell the
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  audience just yet tell the audience this. But what's interesting about this movie is
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  that it's kind of that's that's the whole. That reveal is one reveal that
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  I feel like gets revealed pretty like not early on, but in a way
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  that's it's touched on early. It's touched on really early, like post cold
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  open Magic saw these traps were these traps were made to be unwinnable. Yeah,
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  exactly, exactly, well, which we'll get to, which we'll get
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  to. Like, dude, I like in many ways this one. I
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  want to like preface this episode by saying, in many ways, this one
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  feels like like it feels very Part three, and it feels very much like
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  it's trying to complete a trilogy. Yeah, and you know what it does
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  it in a really good way and in a really bad way. But also
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  what it does is it does a really interesting offshoot, but it also does
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  really annoying things. The annoying things I like and I find interesting in their
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  own way. But also it feels too much like, Okay, we're pulling
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  a little bit too much on trying to make like this grand narrative stuff happen,
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  but also trying to like expe and it in a way where it's like,
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  no, it's got to be its own series. But this is the
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  first movie that doesn't actually feel like its own movie, right, So,
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  like the second one still kind of totally totally and the second one feels still
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  like it. Yeah, this could be its own movie, like you kind
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  of just Card two could be its own movie, yeah, and three can,
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  but Freddy three can also be its own movie. And the different the
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  Nightmare series and the Vorheez series and to some degree a lesser to a lesser
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  extent, the Halloween series, because Halloween also tries to connect a bunch of
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  people to Laurie Strode, which is really annoying sometimes but also pulls up interesting
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  things too. This is the first time we do we transition from oh,
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  it's actually about like this one person to actually, it's this whole master plan
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  that's actually encompassed all three movies and Doctor Gordon and Lee whatell tell somebody help
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  me dude. Well yeah, and actually, like the difference between this movie
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  on this series and the series that you mentioned is that this one is pretty
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  firmly still based in reality, and there's no magic other than like the magic
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  of the intellect of Jigsaw. Yeah, totally, totally. Oh, we'll
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  get to the magic parts to the magic of serendipity a little bit. Yeah,
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  And the thing that's kind of interesting about this is how much they want
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  to ground everything, like literally everything in like this elaborate scheme which takes on
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  a magic of its own that makes absolutely no zense. But the two things
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  that it does, which is cool is that it makes real reality magic.
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  But the thing that's annoying is that it's like, man like, there's so
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  much creativity that you could have gone with that does actually include real magic.
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  That's interesting, but it's also at a time where movies like this were steeped
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  and trying to be quote unquote realistic because magic was sort of played out like
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  you would never get like fucking voodoo magic Man or anything like that, where
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  it's like, oh, yeah, like we did some some weird like magic
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  from another culture that you've never heard of, you know what I mean.
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  It was like the age of the Internet has already started in this line,
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  so people know, yeah, we're all a little more point. They just
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  believe in conspiracy theories now, which are just magic. It's the magic of
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  today. Yeah, I agree, I agree, And I mean I think
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  like magic is back, which I'm happy about. Like you're allowed to explain
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  things away with magic now. I mean, it's got to be in the
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  modern way, but it's cool. It's in the a modern way of God.
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  Yeah, did you want to go into it? I do want to
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  go into it, but first I want to ask you, is there any
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  way we can find like a chat with a better connection because the delay is
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  really killing the vibe for me. Are you okay with me be us not
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  being video? Yeah? I don't care, Okay, okay, okay,
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  uh start it starts. Let's talk about the movie you. Oh my god,
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  dude, it starts with fucking starts with Donnie. It's so amazing.
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  She's like, baby, I'm like enough burning up. So it's turning up.
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  Turn it up now, man, sad, desperate Donnie. It's kind
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  of amazing, dude, it is kind of amazing. I mean, he
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  doesn't die yet, dude, No he doesn't. Of course, First he
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  fucking bashes his legging. Oh god, dude, dude, you're right when
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  you said there's nothing like that. I mean, this is the most needle
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  like you'll get in this one, definitely, And it's but it's also so
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  funny, dude. It's so like when he smashes, I laugh sound so
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  much, dude, I laughed. I was like like laughing so much at
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  the through through like so like it was like paid but laughter. I was
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  like, ah, like I was laughing and going like not just that,
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  but like when he first tries to like desperately cut through the chains and he's
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  like, and he realizes that he tries the tooth and realizes that he can
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  bash it. I'll bash your leg in, dude, Yeah, dude,
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  And he notices the grossfoot and like is like, oh, this is what
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  this is for. Yeah, he realized what's this? He realizes what the
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  saws for. But then he has a better idea, dude, to turn
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  his leg into a permanent to me to suck. He wants to turn his
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  legs into a permanent like chipped bone factory, dude, like threads of bones
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  forever. Just like like him looking at it, looking at the piece of
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  toilet that he like uses like I'm looking at it now, and his like
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  sad desperation of being like looking and being like this is the amazing I could
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  do to like save my kid. I will say this. It's the most
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  compelling acting in this movie. I would say, I think you're right.
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  And the bending bending the foot and then slowly sliding it out of the chains.
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  Oh, but then like having to go having to like go over that
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  like threshold. Yeah, totally, you're just like the and then and then
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  it says soft free and then the most the most alien aliens like shot in
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  the world where they're like sawing the door open or whatever. Do you remember
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  that? Oh? Yeah, breaks in I do. I remember that.
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  It was amazing. Yeah, And it's like totally a reference to it,
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  right, Can I just say that the reappearance of Rigs and Claire and stuff,
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  it's funny because like I wanted as a fan of the movie and as
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  a fan of the franchise, Carrie, Oh what did I say? I
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  don't know what you said, actually, but anyway, it doesn't matter,
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  yeah, Carrie, and and oh right, right right. It's so so
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  like the reappearance of these characters just kind of like is like it makes it
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  feel very TV like. It makes it feel very like prime primetime TV,
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  which is fine, and I want it and it feels right for the tone
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  they've already set and they take enough like daring chances in other respects of how
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  they tell this story that I'm like, okay, respect, you know what
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  I mean totally, because there is a lot of respect about this movie there.
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  It feels like it has the same amount of problems as the second one.
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  They're just differently spread throughout the movie. Well, yeah, like because
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  it chooses Leewanel wrote this one too, how did you guess? How did
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  you guess? And it chooses to which I think, like, is this
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  the last one he wrote? Because then that would make sense that this would
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  be a weird its own trilogy sort of thing. But he like it kind
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  of makes sense because all of the like mess that was set up in the
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  second one kind of like see, like the second one tries to over explain,
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  and then this one continues the over explaining and it makes the over explaining
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  pantheon, you know what I mean. So like it's kind of like,
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  yeah, it it it, And it does a good enough job in the
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  writing of the lore, and we now like it uses the things that were
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  set up in a clever enough way that I'm like, Okay, you're trying
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  to like make this work that works for me? Absolutely it does feel like
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  that works for me, and it does feel more coherent to the first one,
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  and by making the second one more coherent with the first one with the
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  third one, it makes the second one make more sense. Yeah. Yeah,
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  it's like it's like Indiana Jones Part four, Dial of Destiny makes it
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  better, you know what I mean? Man part three? Like I like
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  this one and the Cold Open. Having the Cold Open be someone that we're
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  now like familiar with and that is a part of the lore is really cool
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  and like also feels like it plays into the story. How kind of ruthless
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  and savage Donnie is, you know what I mean? Like how like he
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  is what what Jigsaw like sort of like once he's someone who wants to survive
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  and him getting like eliminated in the movie actually does feel extra tragic because it
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  it feels like Amanda really let us down. We'll get to how Amanda lets
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  us down, dude, But I'm really Hoxes I know about that. Yeah,
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  me too. I don't know when I want to talk about what we
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  talked about before when it came to not even not even the twist, dude,
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  you were on the list. The fact that when we get to like
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  the crescendoing of all the different plots that are happening in this movie, where
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  like Amanda like is like, he didn't change, Nobody fucking changes, and
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  it's like, that's what we said. We said that the second one.
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  We were like, Oh, yeah, the whole mark that Donnie has is
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  that he didn't change, and they use that in this movie, which is
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  great, which which feels like they meant it to happen. But I think
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  it's just serendipity, but I feel it feels like they've meant it to happen,
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  where it was like, yeah, dude, like Donnie kind of doesn't
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  change in that movie, but and he's kind of the main character of that
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  movie, and it's interesting because he's still so compelling all the way through but
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  still doesn't have the arc, but that the arc was was her change.
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  And then they played with that too with Amanda, which is awesome. And
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  then also yeah, I mean it's really clever. Yeah, it's super clever.
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  And also the transitions in this this one are super cool too, like
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  having yeah, they're way more like there. We were like, oh,
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  this is a sauce style transition, totally totally like and it's super much more
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  cinematic and high budget too. And this guy like I don't know, dude,
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  like this this first kill where the guy has the like chain through his
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  jaw and it's like, whoa, dude, this guy's a privileged guy.
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  This guy just looks like you got a of like some streets somewhere and it's
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  like like you've had all the access in the world. Or this Troy guy
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  and it's like, okay, so like, yeah, Troy, who definitely
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  doesn't seem privileged. Uh, and like I not to like go ahead,
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  what like what were you gonna say, not to stereotype him? But he
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  looks like I guess said, like, he doesn't look like he's been a
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  privileged guy. No, what does he look like, I don't know,
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  some sort of ethnic, non white guy who seems like like definitely kind ethnic
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  non white guy. And like I'm like what I just I feel like,
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  if you want to make the sign of privilege for someone, you would choose
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  someone else. Yeah, it feels like if you were gonna not even that,
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  you would choose someone else necessarily. But he's got like long hair,
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  he looks like jacked. He doesn't look like a dude who was like oh
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  yeah, like I work in an office, or like I'm like a clean
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  cut dude or or something. He kind of they make him almost coded,
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  like he's not a clean cut dude, like he's willing to do whatever to
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  survive too, except he just can't well, which I found I found that
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  part unusual. But then also, you know, is that supposed to be
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  reminiscent of what we realized later on, is that somebody, somebody we don't
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  know who is doing a copycat Jigsaw style killing and making these tasks unwinnable.
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  I think so, I think so, But he's also recording them, Like
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  who's recording these? He's like, he still has to record this shit too,
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  which is the thing that kind of doesn't make sense about this these the
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  rest of the movies is like, is he like participating in this and also
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  helping other people or are people like just aiing his voice. I don't know,
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  well, I think that people are ai his voice with the like modulator,
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  like the hello woman. I think they're just using the low voice thing.
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  But oh, by the way, what did you think of this this
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  new actor that's introduced at the beginning of the movie. This by the way,
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  everybody? It so becomes all TV actors after a certain point, like
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  this is like Donnie is of like big names that they ever get for these
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  movies, and it's kind of amazing. Yeah, it's definitely starting to feel
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  like six degrees of Danny Glover here and like, which I'm fine with.
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  Yeah, me too. I mean it's interesting because Tobin Bell kind of turns
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  into like a sort of like Robert England. You know, you're like,
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  oh, yeah, it's Toven Bell. I mean, oh is he famous?
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  I mean he's ton Bell. Dude, He's Jigsaw, Yeah, totally.
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  And it's just like, oh yeah, he's Jigsaw. He's he's young.
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  When he puts his baseball back capwards. By the way, how did
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  you guess? How did you guess? Did you know that the actor who
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  plays Troy, the guy who's got the chains in him, his brother in
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  law is Michael Roker. Wow? That's me, I mean six degrees of
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  Michael Roker. Dude, that's yeah dude. Yeah. Yeah, so so
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  he like gets I guess, like his how does he get pulled apart?
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  He pulls almost all of those chains, pulls all the chains out, but
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  there's a bomb. He basically gets Jesus wept. There's a bomb that explodes
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  him. He gets the problem. It's not the chain tore apart in a
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  cent to bite style, Uh, tear apart with a bomb, the secret
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  hidden bomb that tears him apart in the same way that those chains would have.
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  Absolutely In terms of the new actor, his name is Robert Paulson.
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  His name is Robert Pulson. No, his name is cost This Mandy Lore.
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  He's like the square jawed new new detective guy. What did you think
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  of him? Well, so, like did they kind of set up that
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  he's a little bit creepy? Did they kind of set it up? It's
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  the mos obvious like shifty performance ever, I mean yeah, so like why
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  why is he so shifty? I mean are they setting something up? More?
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  Like they did really follow through with any shiftiness in this I mean that's
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  the thing, dude, you'll get to it. Thirsty for Lord, Dude,
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  thirsty for Lord. That's the thing that that starts to It starts to
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  bug me a little bit about this series because it's like, okay, like
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  is that it's too thirsty for law? Yeah, it's just that, like
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  it's it's setting too many things up for like future sequels. In like a
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  Marvel style, which I'm like, okay, like I get it. But
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  at the same time, it's like they know it's going to be successful.
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  They knew it was going to be successful, and they knew they were going
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  to make more, so they had to just like, I mean, but
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  who cares, dude. That's it's true. It's true. It's so funny.
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  It is really funny because when when you see it happening, you're like,
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  whoa, why is this guy so shifty? But like it's true.
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  I mean, I I feel like eventually we're I mean, can I speculate,
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  dude, I'd love to speculate. Speculate, please, you asshole.
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  Okay, So maybe and don't confirm if this is true, but maybe,
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  just maybe he's gonna become like enamored with Saw and kind of like be like
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  a Dexter style helping a murderer kind of guy where he's like too entranced with
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  like the method of a thing, and he becomes like A I don't know,
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  I don't know. That's my that's my speculation. Interesting, that's a
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  good interesting. We'll see, we'll see what happened something that I found or
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  he could just be Yeah, sorry ahead I was gonna say, or he
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  could just be like, uh, you know, like an asshole. It
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  doesn't actually help people, but is like too obsessed with catching. So anyway,
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  it doesn't mean right right right A red Herring Yeah, yeah, exactly,
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  a red Herring's code, the code, Yeah totally. Man Harry's code,
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  the code of Harry Satisfying and Dexter would be such good actors, and
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  Deborah would be great in this in this series all the crossover. If I
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  just jig saw a crossover with Dexter, Ah, that would be amazing and
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  they're like try to like outwit each other. It wouldn't work in the style
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  of the Universes. I don't know if the style of Universes would overlap.
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  It would have to be too it would have to be more manhunty. I
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  think the interesting thing about Carrie is in this ne Code Carries code where she
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  has like her little like moments of like, oh, I'm gonna watch some
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  Jigsaw and then I'm gonna go take a bath. Oh no, Eric Mathews
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  it behind the mirror, you know put Yeah totally. She youtubes Jigsaw to
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  watch the movies. His content, Billy the Puppets content she puts it on
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  her iPhone and watches it while watching dishes, which is what would happen now.
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  But what's what's fascinating to me about her character and what's cool because they
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  set her up in both the other movies as this like kind of cool badass
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  check and in this one scene they kind of just prove it where she's watching
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  the tape and then all of a sudden it switches to almost like a problem
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  with the tape, and she's like, what's happening? And then she realizes
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  that there's a camera in her her closet, and she like steps up and
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  instead of like going to the fucking closet, she just immediately like tries to
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  see like what the angle is and pulls out the gun and shoots at the
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  closet. And it's kind of amazing. That was amazing. Yeah, I
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  was like, this is exactly what cop should do. Is just like Okay,
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  well there's some creep in here, so I gotta this is exactly what
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  Carrie should do. I think Carrie is like, it's cool that so far
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  she's like the most consistent lore we have really like everything's kind of consistent,
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  but she's like the most like through line in terms of like I've touched on
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  each of these stories, well, I guess they all are. I guess
• 26:41
  Amanda is too, and I guess with Amanda, like you get it's it's
• 26:47
  such a reveal in the second one that like, I don't know, it
• 26:51
  like makes it yeah, like okay, we'll get to we'll get to all
• 26:55
  the lore. But it just feels like carries the other Amanda revealed dude,
• 27:00
  sorry, of course, the pig mask reveal, dude, Dude, the
• 27:03
  twisty New metal Head reveal, dude, the speaking of pig masks. Pig
• 27:08
  mask grabs Carrie and then puts like these things inside her rib cage. This
• 27:17
  is like the most sexual this has been and the least these are the least
• 27:21
  saw like traps. Trap. I was gonna say the same thing. This
• 27:36
  one didn't feel saw which is interesting. Yeah, and they feel like it
• 27:41
  feels like it feels like he Raser. You're totally right, yeah, no,
• 27:48
  it is Diana. No, it's Franks, Julia, it's Frank exactly.
• 27:59
  This one. This one is like so gross. This this trap not
• 28:04
  just the ribcage. The rib cage stuff is like okay to me, I'm
• 28:08
  like okay with being like split apart, but the acid and the melty hand,
• 28:15
  like trying to get the key out. Okay, okay, the melty
• 28:17
  hand. I was gonna talk. Would you have this the fortitude the reproductory
• 28:23
  fortitude, testicular ovariate, whichever you are, fortitude of reaching into the acid
• 28:33
  and taking the key out, dude, and having a permanently me melty hand
• 28:37
  that even as you're pushing it would maybe go. Do you think that hand
• 28:41
  would start going? The hand does start going, and it starts going in
• 28:45
  such a hilarious way because you just the finger, the fingers kind of get
• 28:51
  bendy. She has to scoop a little bit. But also the fact that
• 28:56
  it's it's so effected. But the key has been in there for so long,
• 29:00
  dude, so long, so long. The key was definitely the key
• 29:03
  is also melty. The key is also bendy and melty. Yeah. The
• 29:07
  funny thing about the effectiveness of the scene is that it's not that gory,
• 29:11
  but a lot of it is implication. A lot of it is just yeah,
• 29:15
  the acid turning more more pink and you're just like, oh no no,
• 29:22
  but chemical reactions. Yeah, it was like really upsetting but also like
• 29:27
  kind of amazing that she gets the trap open, but like it just won't
• 29:32
  work. And then she realizes she's in one of the unwinnable copycat ones,
• 29:36
  dude, because she knows, she knows that this isn't yeah totally, that
• 29:41
  this isn't Jigsaw, and that this is a copycat Jigsaw, and because of
• 29:45
  that, she knows she's a goner. And we kind of lose that connection.
• 29:51
  It's a symbolic loss of the connection from with the first movie in a
• 29:55
  way, you know what I mean, because the force of good that's been
• 29:59
  the through line is now gone, yeah exactly, or the like morality of
• 30:03
  the through line is like getting further and further away from its original intention,
• 30:10
  which is what are also kind of doing. And we get a guy who
• 30:14
  is willing to bash his leg into a meat SoC tape to man, he
• 30:19
  bashed so much. I mean, like that's what Velos wanted to do,
• 30:25
  dude, But he was as a kid living out his violent, uh prepubescent
• 30:30
  fantasies. What if my mom comes downstairs? Scary scary Melos, Yeah,
• 30:40
  totally thirsty for At the end of the minute, you'll find a way out.
• 30:45
  There's a single key. Yeah, And it's it's interesting to like just
• 30:49
  sort of like really get rid of so quickly all of the people that were
• 30:56
  part of the lore and then just like immediately trying to pivot into something else,
• 31:03
  into like a project. You know. That's the interesting thing about this
• 31:07
  It's it's gone from like creating new law, you know, and like it's
• 31:11
  interesting because like when you successfully include old lare while also creating new law and
• 31:18
  like navigating the tonal feeling of whatever project you're working on in such a successful
• 31:25
  way like this movie does. I think it's like it's really good to set
• 31:30
  up so many worlds because like we have the doctor at the beginning, the
• 31:34
  like very the very like Gray's anatomy style seeming doctor who's like just had sex
• 31:44
  with someone where you're not led to believe who, but we presume that maybe
• 31:48
  we're led to believe that it's her husband, but we don't know because he
• 31:52
  wants a divorce with whom we don't just towards him. Yeah, exactly.
• 31:56
  And she's like, oh, I gotta go to I got to go to
• 32:00
  the hospital at nine. Generally on tuesdays, you work at eleven. It's
• 32:04
  like, come on, dude, I know my wife's schedule, but I
• 32:06
  don't know it this much. But what's what's what's interesting about me? But
• 32:12
  this guy, that's that's our first tip off. That's our first tip off
• 32:15
  that this is her bull and not her cock, because he needs to know
• 32:22
  her schedule really well in order to be able to do about this scene,
• 32:29
  which we'll find out. Sorry, just just to go back to the scene
• 32:34
  with Carrie for one second, please please the New Metal uh splitting her rib
• 32:38
  cage in a in a sort of angelic way, in a mind freak kind
• 32:43
  of way, and then it kind of strangely unceremonious way. It was so
• 32:49
  fine freak dude. Yeah, totally. It felt kind of real because it
• 32:53
  was like a little bit anticlimactic in a real way, like it's like,
• 32:57
  oh, that might be what happens. Totally totally. But she does see
• 33:00
  somebody walk in and she goes, you right, she recognizes Amanda do But
• 33:07
  that's the thing. It's weird because it's like, the only woman we see
• 33:10
  that's working with Jigsaw is Amanda, So why wouldn't we assume that it was
• 33:15
  Amanda? But maybe it's not Amanda who knows, well, yeah, maybe
• 33:21
  maybe it's not that's that's true too. That's true too because there's a bunch
• 33:24
  of other women that get introduced. This is the most also female centric movie,
• 33:30
  by the way, did you notice that? I noticed? I noticed
• 33:31
  there was a noticeable optic, Like it felt like an optic in terms of
• 33:37
  perspective in women characters as well, because it feels like the characters are just
• 33:43
  written better and like it doesn't feel this was this is the most mature written
• 33:47
  one. I would say, I think three, Yeah, totally. It's
• 33:52
  like still corny and it's still sort of outrageous, but like with fully within
• 33:58
  the lore of the rest of the movies. I was actually going to continue
• 34:01
  on that that train of thought where where the women were made much more important
• 34:07
  in this and there's like a hyper focus on women's problems being like very realistic
• 34:14
  and like but at the same time unrealistic in like male main characters, like
• 34:20
  she gets the doctor gets called in. Her name is Sarah, I'm pretty
• 34:24
  sure, And what's it called. She comes in and she's going to save
• 34:30
  the kid, and the doctor is like the ribcage just cracked. Just to
• 34:37
  like hit home that that parallel the carry cracter, what just happened, Yeah,
• 34:44
  totally, and she like saves the kid immediately, and it like in
• 34:47
  that one scene, they do a really good job at being like, well,
• 34:51
  she's an awesome doctor, obviously, like this is the kind of Lynn
• 34:54
  is her name, sorry not Sarah, And she she's not only as she
• 34:59
  is not only a she has an awesome doctor, but she's also someone who
• 35:01
  doesn't play by the rules. She doesn't play by the rules of her marriage,
• 35:06
  she doesn't play by the rules of her profession, and like she's struggling
• 35:09
  because of it. And I feel for the first time it's the rule.
• 35:15
  I feel like, for the first time, we're getting like a kind of
• 35:17
  like maybe like a sexist jigsaw, and I will plead my case here because
• 35:23
  he's like his misunderstanding of this woman's very real problems. Because even she says,
• 35:30
  like, you don't know what I'm going through, there's a line like
• 35:34
  that, and it's kind of like it's a really brilliantly sort of like included
• 35:38
  line because it does feel very like feminist and shit, Like it's like she's
• 35:43
  like, no, dude, like I like you're judging me and you're like
• 35:45
  putting me through these like weird tests but like I'm not like I may be
• 35:51
  like a flawed person, but I'm not like a morally corrupt person, you
• 35:54
  know what I mean? Yeah, totally. But also there's a parallel with
• 35:59
  Laurence as well, because he like, he's also not that bad a person,
• 36:02
  like he's cheating on his wife, he's not likely his kid, but
• 36:07
  like this lady is doing the exact same thing. I think that the parallel
• 36:10
  between her and doctor Gordon is very deliberate. Oh yeah, one hundred and
• 36:15
  ten percent. It's a second chance at writing doctor Gordon, who's with without
• 36:20
  a goopy sock leg? Can I just tell you something about something hilarious that
• 36:27
  I noticed is that in this one, Jigsaw is the most like I have
• 36:31
  to be overt and covert at the same time. Do you have you ever
• 36:37
  noticed do you think he like practices being like I don't like murderers. And
• 36:43
  then it's like a double on Tondre, Like it's like he has to make
• 36:47
  everybody understand that he's double on taunduring them in order to win the game,
• 36:52
  and it just seems impossible to do. Like the standard he sets for Amanda
• 36:58
  is fucking ridiculous. Freaking well, Okay, so I I think that's a
• 37:02
  really interesting observation. Actually is like he kind of almost notices his tactics aren't
• 37:07
  work, aren't working, and that's what the whole movie is about him realizing
• 37:12
  it. But he has to realize it within his own kind of schevy way,
• 37:15
  which makes the schemes funny. It makes me imagine it like he thinks
• 37:21
  with the with the theme music at all times, like he's imagining every scenario.
• 37:24
  Liked dud, dud. Yeah, I think he's like I think he
• 37:36
  thinks epically. I think he is Chris Angel mind freaking, Like he's mind
• 37:40
  freaking all the time. He's epic all the time. And like, it's
• 37:44
  interesting that you mentioned that he's trying to be both more more, I think
• 37:49
  he's a little bit woke Jigsaw in this one as well, because he's realizing
• 37:53
  that what he's what he's done, and the mistakes he's made with Amanda,
• 37:58
  he's punishing himself. Dude. That's what I think this movie is the ultimate
• 38:02
  at the ultimate sacrifice in this with him getting his like spoiler alert, but
• 38:07
  Kim getting his throat cut is him almost being like, no, I deserve
• 38:12
  to be punished. Also totally totally and he it's the most sexual of of
• 38:15
  the three. Well, okay, we'll get to we'll get to how that
• 38:21
  all happens. And he's the most sexual in this movie. He he is
• 38:24
  the most sexual in this movie. This weird domb. He kind of has
• 38:30
  yeah, like he's looking he's always because he's lying down. It always seems
• 38:34
  like he's looking down on everyone he's talking to because of the way he's filmed,
• 38:38
  Yeah, like leering. So it just seems like there's a very much
• 38:43
  like a like a domb daddy core like fucking I mean, it's realizing all
• 38:47
  of my fantasies, dude, but very daddy corp. I don't like that
• 38:52
  he's sick though. It bothers me that he's like it makes me uncomfortable that
• 38:54
  he's sick, you know what I mean, Like while he's dumbing me all
• 38:59
  crown dude, because I feel like it just makes me, it makes me,
• 39:02
  it makes me feel sorry for him in a way because I'm like,
• 39:05
  I hope he's okay. I hope he's okay. I just I'm like,
• 39:08
  please don't do all this work, dude. You need you need your rest,
• 39:14
  you need That's what makes me uncomfortable. You need rest, dude,
• 39:16
  Like, please don't do all of this for me. You. Meanwhile,
• 39:21
  I'm jerking off in the corner to the beat, Dude, I've rocketed to
• 39:29
  the beat. What's it called pig mask once again, kidnaps lin and we
• 39:36
  cut to the most the most new metal and the most light we see in
• 39:42
  a Jigsaw lab in all three movies. Uh, they've started to light things
• 39:47
  in a much more holistic Yeah, just because it's like there's a lot more.
• 39:55
  They get more green as they go along too, it's much less Oh
• 40:00
  my god, dude, totally agreed. Yeah, it gets more matrix the
• 40:04
  series rather than the first matrix. And then we get the reveal of I
• 40:12
  think this is my favorite Amanda performance because she's so this is my favorite evandam
• 40:17
  so fucking unhinged, like her combination of Sarah Connor energy and also like just
• 40:25
  like full unhinged, like just like the most like I like it kind of
• 40:30
  giving me like Juliette Lewis vibes in some of her roles, like just like
• 40:37
  just like and like also the like Sarah Connor kind of outfits the very low
• 40:40
  cut sexy pants. I just thought this was like the hottest, like very
• 40:45
  androgynous kind of like face, like we already know that she's like I don't
• 40:53
  know, man, Like she gives me queer vibes, you know what I
• 40:55
  mean, Like I'm like, Amanda's queer for sure, if not, like
• 41:00
  you know, also gender questioning or just new metal dude, I think she's
• 41:06
  just yeah, of course she is. She is very also just very new
• 41:08
  metal. And I appreciate that she gives me like a gen Z vibe,
• 41:14
  dude, Like Amanda gives me like she's a gen X trying to be a
• 41:17
  gen Z dude, Like she's thinking ahead, she's already processed her trauma.
• 41:22
  Dude, She's on the she's on the revenge spree now. Well, like
• 41:27
  one of my favorite parts first of all, her like kind of being a
• 41:32
  little bit joker in the movie where she's like she should she should have played
• 41:37
  a genera dude. That would have been actually like brilliant three D four D
• 41:43
  level saw level chest chess chest saw level forty chess casting. Yeah, where
• 41:54
  where she like takes Lynn in the wheelchair and like she like lifts herself off
• 42:00
  and drags her feet while the wheelchair is rolling, like just like like kind
• 42:04
  of like taking a sick pleasure in it and like already setting up the difference
• 42:09
  between her and Jigsaw, her getting sort of this like like thrill visceral good
• 42:16
  feelings out of torturing people, whereas like, ah, this like saintly moral
• 42:22
  guy who's like doing this out of true morals, like on the bed like
• 42:29
  almost like a like a almost like a king, but like suffering as well,
• 42:34
  like this like weird robe thing that he's wearing. There's very much a
• 42:38
  Shakespearean vibe to this one. I feel like it was almost like kind of
• 42:43
  trying to do an like a goofy operatic Shakespeare, but also taking it really
• 42:47
  seriously, which really makes it work. Like it's like it it could be
• 42:52
  played for laughs, but it's not. And the like stuff that is funny
• 42:57
  is funny because of like how like bold it is in its choice making.
• 43:01
  So it's like pretty exciting. It's pretty exciting to see because it's like there's
• 43:07
  a part of it that you're like rooting force still, even though you know
• 43:09
  it's like a lesser version of like what the first one was. There's an
• 43:17
  excitement also in the boldness of the storytelling of like these characters are also again
• 43:23
  compelling like they were in the first one. You know, like it's like
• 43:28
  it focuses in It's not like Dannie Mulroon's like this is like real people.
• 43:32
  Yeah. The second one does a lot of like skipping over letting you get
• 43:37
  to know characters and allowing for the twists and turns to include other characters that
• 43:45
  you might like sympathize with but don't necessarily care about. You get like real,
• 43:49
  real characters you care about in this Lynn being one of them. She's
• 43:52
  really really well done. I love that she's constantly like, dude, this
• 43:57
  guy has to go to the fucking hospital. Can't do this in this disgusting
• 44:01
  dirty seven lab. Okay, I love that hospital, dude. But but
• 44:07
  just as much as just as much as I love that, I love also
• 44:12
  Amanda's reaction, or her like dead eyed like reaction of like yeah, big,
• 44:16
  big, too far, knowing that she's too far gone into this and
• 44:21
  she needs to keep it up, and like being unhinged enough to like be
• 44:23
  like, you gotta make it work. It's only eleven thousand votes, give
• 44:29
  me a break. It's it's totally it's eleven thousand bus see totally she totally
• 44:34
  is just like, give me a break. It's eleven thousand votes, give
• 44:37
  me a break. It totally is. And then we get the like the
• 44:42
  retread of like doctor Lawrence Gordon was your your you know doctor or whatever,
• 44:47
  and he's like, you might not remember me, but I remember, and
• 44:52
  she's like, I've seen you on television. He's just like literally like doing
• 44:59
  like get detailed profiles of people who happened to be in his orbit. That's
• 45:04
  it. Like he's just like morally policing people who happen to be in his
• 45:07
  orbit. It's it's really weird. It's very strange because in the line he
• 45:15
  goes, I was his patient and he was mine, and it's like,
• 45:19
  oh, dude. Also, I just noticed, as I'm watching the movie
• 45:22
  right now, there's fully like a bud cleaner thing, you know, the
• 45:27
  squeezy water bottles for enemas a man is totally giving this dude Edema's dude.
• 45:34
  Oh yeah, I mean, who knows what kind of schemes she's what kind
• 45:37
  of trap she's laying, dude, app trap? No, But like it's
• 45:46
  it's really hilarious that they add details like that because so many of those things
• 45:52
  come back later on sometimes where it's just like, ohh, that was a
• 45:55
  detail you made. Remember when I was explaining to you last time, how
• 46:01
  as the stories go on and as more and more gets revealed, you see
• 46:06
  like the process of like putting on makeup for the first movie, you know,
• 46:10
  like stuff like that. Dude, Okay, when you because that was
• 46:15
  that was what I that was what I sort of like resented you for hinting
• 46:20
  at in that episode because like seeing that was like so jarring, and like
• 46:28
  knowing to kind of expect it was also kind of jarring, you know what
• 46:30
  I mean. I was like, I was like, man, like they're
• 46:35
  like put them putting it together, these schemes in travel like which we're revealing
• 46:39
  the twist upon twists, dude, but like and we'll get to we'll get
• 46:44
  to explaining it. But that was very upsetting and knowing about it. I
• 46:47
  mean, it's just the kind of thing that like It's part two is guilty
• 46:52
  of. But now that we're on this ride, I'm like, okay with
• 46:55
  no, dude, I love it. I think it's actually really incredible to
• 47:00
  see processes like that, because like I think you watch when you watch the
• 47:04
  first one, you're like, oh, like like when you start thinking about
• 47:08
  the first one, when you're watching it, you're there and you feel good
• 47:13
  about watching it, but when you think about the amount of process you would
• 47:17
  need to go through to do all that, and then showing it in the
• 47:22
  subsequent movies is kind of cool. It's kind of amazing. Yeah, I
• 47:25
  mean this is like this is like almost like the postmodern right, Like it's
• 47:30
  like it's a postmoder approach. It's like taking it apart and looking at it,
• 47:32
  examining it from different angles. I think it's cool. I think it's
• 47:36
  really interesting and it works well, and it's exciting to see as a fan
• 47:39
  now of the series and like being very excited to be on this ride.
• 47:43
  Dude, I hope I'm not too disappointed with the subsequent movies, but like
• 47:46
  I'm so excited to talk to you about these because like it's interesting. What's
• 47:52
  interesting about it is the Laura and like how they've had to think about it.
• 47:55
  Yeah, all, and like it's it's very exciting. It's very exciting
• 47:59
  in a kind of like a puzzy kind of way, you know, like
• 48:01
  trying to decode things. You're not going to be disappointed, You're not going
• 48:06
  to be disappointed. The only time I've heard that because I haven't seen it,
• 48:13
  is that Spiral is disappointing, the one with Samuel L. Jackson and
• 48:16
  Chris Rock. But I'm really excited to see that anyway, because Samuel Jackson
• 48:21
  and Chris Rock reread it, and Chris Rock dude came up with a story
• 48:25
  and produced it. So I saw it's a Saw movie. Yeah, it's
• 48:30
  a it's a soft reboot. It's a soft reboot called Spiral, And then
• 48:38
  they just went back to calling it Saw because Saw ten is going to be
• 48:42
  Saw ten. Something that that's really interesting in the scene, uh, is
• 48:50
  doctor doctor Lynn is like explaining to jig Saw how he's gonna die and then
• 48:58
  he goes. He gets so offended by her being, like to find such
• 49:02
  a cold, clinical way of saying that I'm a dead man walking. You
• 49:07
  know, It's like, bro, you brought me into this gross seven lab,
• 49:10
  but like, when are you talking about cold and dead? Like Jesus
• 49:14
  Christ? So dramatic. Honestly, that part was very like. It also
• 49:20
  sort of I think gives us some insight into what kind of person Jigsaw is,
• 49:24
  like how he sort of like thinks and what makes him tick Like.
• 49:30
  It's interesting because he rejects He rejects the lare about himself. He's like all
• 49:35
  like, no, I'm actually totally humble, and I take the jigsaw pieces
• 49:39
  symbolic for me. But the fact that media turned it to he's like kind
• 49:44
  of like a covert megalomaniac, covert narcissism. Yeah, he's totally narcissistic.
• 49:49
  The fact that he like sort of like takes this like opportunity to sort of
• 49:53
  like be like I mean, he's very weird to her, like like it's
• 49:59
  like she's not giving you a clinic, like this is her job, dude,
• 50:01
  She's actually Yeah, he's very very in love with her. You brought
• 50:07
  you she she was actually very like I appreciated how she was. She wasn't
• 50:12
  scared. She just gave you the like facts, which is what you should
• 50:15
  know in a situation like this. Yeah, totally, you want emotionality,
• 50:21
  but you want emotionality from her. You. But but what's cool about it?
• 50:27
  Yeah, I know. But what's cool about it is that it also
• 50:30
  reveals that he's scared totally Trump and like he goes, I go away for
• 50:36
  the rest of my life. What are they going to make me wear it's
• 50:44
  it's it's proves the point by him being like in that medical school jargon,
• 50:51
  and then he goes, look at me, scared song. I loved the
• 50:55
  look look at me, look at amazing and like him him being like yeah,
• 51:01
  because him being mad for the first time it was was really cool.
• 51:06
  Because he's also becoming more and more unhanded because he's losing the threat. Threat.
• 51:12
  He's losing the threat. Yeah. Yeah, he's losing the thread to
• 51:15
  to his like grand experiment that's been lasting for I don't know how long,
• 51:20
  for a while, I don't know, Okay, it feels it feels like
• 51:28
  this because the first one jumped around a lot in time. I'm sure someone's
• 51:32
  done a Saw timeline. We can look this up, but like, I
• 51:36
  feel like the first one is over a period of like, let's try and
• 51:40
  figure this out. The second one is the shortest time period. The first
• 51:46
  one, yeah, is the is the longest, and this one's kind of
• 51:52
  like middle uh because it does do some past stuff but not as much.
• 52:00
  So I'm willing to say that the Saw saga up for for parts one to
• 52:07
  three lasted probably about a year and a half, like maybe eighteen months.
• 52:13
  What do you think, I mean it. It probably does have to be
• 52:19
  that way, right because it's like these traps are so elaborate, but at
• 52:25
  the same time, like who knows and like, okay, so like this
• 52:31
  is what I'm wondering too. Are there things happening that we don't know about?
• 52:35
  And don't answer this if you know, but I'm speculating. Are there
• 52:38
  things happening that you that we don't know about where there's like other traps and
• 52:43
  other people suffering on other places like in the same time as this, or
• 52:49
  are we seeing everything they've got because like it seems like a lot of work,
• 52:53
  Like it seems like like are they giving everything they've gotten? Yeah?
• 52:58
  Okay, okay, I can't tell you. So, yeah, depends on
• 53:00
  how many people are involved in I don't know, Like I'm thinking about it.
• 53:01
  You know, I officially haven't seen Can I tell you something I've seen
• 53:07
  one to three? Yeah, can I tell you something? I'll tell I'll
• 53:12
  tell you this. Do you do you know? A stack is for coding.
• 53:17
  It's like the anyway, it doesn't matter. This is like like code
• 53:23
  for two thousand and nine Twitter and now post this movie. It's like all
• 53:32
  of what Twitter has to be for the next like fifty ten years or whatever.
• 53:38
  That's what the rest of the Saw movies are, like. You have
• 53:40
  to kind of deal with what's the original setups for things and then just go
• 53:45
  with everything else, all the kind of flaws in what it is, all
• 53:52
  the kind of ret cons that they have to do and make the movie,
• 53:57
  force the movie to make sense in order for your app to work. That's
• 54:00
  kind of what it feels like with these movies. And that's what the magic
• 54:05
  is of these movies, Like I'm talking like Freddie, magic is just what
• 54:09
  can you retcon feasibly and realistically so that you can be like, oh,
• 54:15
  okay, that makes sense for this if you watch this, because like sometimes
• 54:22
  they make subtle changes where you're like, oh, that's what actually happened,
• 54:25
  like this one where wait, hold on, can I just say something,
• 54:30
  sorry, dude, in the last episode where you just reminded me because my
• 54:34
  stomach made a noise. In the last episode you farted so loud and I
• 54:42
  left it in dude. It was it was so funny, dude. I
• 54:46
  was like, oh man, that's so funny. I hope people hear this,
• 54:51
  but yeah, sorry, what were you saying about Amanda I'm so sorry.
• 54:53
  Let me tell you something. Let's get into We'll do the reveal about
• 54:58
  Leewell's character later on, because we we should save it for when it goes.
• 55:02
  This is the first double entendre that I guess Amanda was supposed to pick
• 55:07
  up that Jigsaw was talking to her by looking at her but still talking to
• 55:14
  Lynn and being like, I want to play a game. The rules are
• 55:16
  simple of the game, and the consequences of breaking them are great death.
• 55:22
  And then Amanda puts on the shotgun necklace, which is a great try.
• 55:27
  That's an amazing that's an amazing such a like just it feels like her face
• 55:32
  looks like Naomi, Naomi fucking face. What's her name? Naomi from Mulholland
• 55:39
  Drive when her face is like all gushy at the end of m D Yeah,
• 55:46
  dude, such a gushy face at the end. Okay, okay,
• 55:50
  we'll talk about the gushy face. Man. This one is so like meaty.
• 55:54
  This one's so juicy. Yeah, it's so juicy. Yeah. And
• 56:00
  there's so many pig Oh. He looks like it looks like what's interesting about
• 56:13
  this, uh is Yeah, this entire monologue that he delivers about like giving
• 56:19
  people life, grant someone the gift of life, and the fact that he
• 56:23
  is in talking to Amanda and it's like she was supposed to get you know
• 56:29
  what I mean, No, I don't tell me again. Well, because
• 56:36
  the reveal at the end about him saying Jigsaw saying I want to play a
• 56:42
  game. I want I need you to be able to grant the gift of
• 56:45
  life. Uh, and then she ties the shagun necklace Lynn and then he's
• 56:53
  like, you've got you've got this shotgun necklace around you and it's tied to
• 56:58
  my heart monitor. You're supposed to give me life. But the double entendre
• 57:01
  was that he was like, oh, I'm playing the game with Amanda because
• 57:05
  she's disappointed me, and we'll get to what the disappointment. But he's also
• 57:10
  playing several other games with like two other people. Yeah. And it's what's
• 57:15
  interesting about this movie is like the brilliance of it is how simple it is.
• 57:21
  It's like a return to form in simplicity while making it higher stakes and
• 57:27
  involving more people or involving more storylines. I would say totally because the Saw
• 57:34
  series is always about interconnected storylines. Absolutely, absolutely, and then it's revealed
• 57:40
  that there's a camera with another person that also is doing a series of tests
• 57:46
  and her Lynn's goal is to keep John alive enough so that the other test
• 57:52
  subject gets to their goal, and he's supposed to she supposed Lina is supposed
• 58:00
  to keep him alive. Which I appreciate the writing in this moment because Linna
• 58:05
  is like, what does that mean? Keep him alive? Like what does
• 58:08
  that mean? Like what are you talking about? I just met this person,
• 58:13
  you know what I mean? But and she just like read the Coles
• 58:16
  notes of his diagnosis that we get in like exactly. I love the way
• 58:21
  that that that was like presented on screen, with like the shots of like
• 58:24
  the different parts of like what he has speed flashing through. It was Gordon
• 58:30
  frontal like tumor. You know what's hilarious is that it would be hilarious if
• 58:36
  the entire time the tumor pressing against this frontal lobe was causing him to act
• 58:40
  completely irrationally and create this delusional world of traps. And that's what is that?
• 58:47
  Not? Is that not the thing? I thought that that that was
• 58:50
  like canonical. I thought it was they can't cancerrate him, do it?
• 58:55
  Dude, cancerraded, do it? I thought the cancer alter White? I
• 59:01
  think so, dude, I think, yes, yes, Well, no,
• 59:04
  we already know he's a wealthy landlord. He's just like using the cancer.
• 59:07
  Well, no, he's a wealthy landlord for sure. Still that's still
• 59:13
  canonical. And he's like, I think, maybe, like, how does
• 59:19
  he getting all of this like medical equipment and shit? Dude, Like,
• 59:23
  I don't know the landlord. He has the money, he has resources,
• 59:27
  but he has the resources. Yeah. But also what's fascinating is how how
• 59:34
  many times Jake saw is like, you're critical to this puzzle, and how
• 59:39
  resentful, even in small shots, how resentful Amanda is. Like she in
• 59:45
  this scene where she's like where he's like praising Lynn, she's like stabbing.
• 59:52
  Abanda is stabbing herself with the finger with some a pair of scissors. And
• 59:58
  it's fascinating to watch so like her be so fucking crazy and she's awesome.
• 1:00:04
  She plays it so well, dude. I mean the fact that this,
• 1:00:07
  like the fact that being in that short movie in like the beginning of her
• 1:00:10
  career launched a career where she could like play roles like this Like this is
• 1:00:15
  like she was launched her career because she really she was an actor before and
• 1:00:21
  she was like getting kind of famous, but then like then she kind of
• 1:00:25
  stopped acting and it was like, oh, like whatever happened to that girl?
• 1:00:30
  Like we should get her, you know. So that's like pretty cool
• 1:00:32
  too. She's she's amazing. She's so good, dude, Like she's what's
• 1:00:37
  her what's her name, Shawnnie Smith. She's so good. She's so good.
• 1:00:44
  Like it's like it's a really exciting and bold performance because she takes some
• 1:00:51
  chances that like might feel a little like camp and a little ham and a
• 1:00:55
  little like intense, but it's it's actually like such interesting and bold choices,
• 1:01:01
  dude. Like it's such like choices, amazing level decisions like that that like
• 1:01:07
  I hope that she gets the praise that she deserves for this, for this
• 1:01:13
  performance she does, she gets like it's like star Trek praise, like she
• 1:01:17
  can go to any fan XP yeah, I bet, I'm just like,
• 1:01:23
  oh my god, Amanda, Lord, dude, Amanda's like she's the bad
• 1:01:28
  guy, dude, She's of the she's the she's the Nevisis dude, to
• 1:01:37
  to his uh, to his fucking uh Samaritan, He's the Samaritan to her
• 1:01:43
  to her. Yeah, speaking of outrageous performances, obviously you noticed that Angus
• 1:01:51
  McFadden aka Jeff is obviously the most barking Scottish guy pretending to be an American
• 1:01:58
  guy performance in the world. That was part of what made his unhinged,
• 1:02:04
  like kind of animalistic performance, like because he kind of is like also a
• 1:02:08
  little ethnic coded in this and like it's interesting because like there's a there's a
• 1:02:14
  there's like sort of like Eastern European maybe anger to him, like or like
• 1:02:19
  a kind of like a I don't know. It's interesting we're seeing like this
• 1:02:23
  personality type because this is also a kind of survivalist personality type, right,
• 1:02:29
  like somebody who can like survive a thing, but can he survive himself and
• 1:02:34
  his own anger. That's what the puzzle is from Jigsaw, I mean his
• 1:02:39
  his, I mean dude, Angus mc mcfa mc McFadyen, holy ship.
• 1:02:47
  Like he like very intense fucking performance in this and like I love I love
• 1:02:54
  him, I love him, and like he plays a complicated carecharacters so well
• 1:03:00
  and some of the how he had to ham up some of those moments where
• 1:03:05
  we have to like wait, for people to turn into icicles was like pretty
• 1:03:09
  amazing because like it's like his sort of like sadness in the moments and like
• 1:03:15
  pain in the moments made it like made up for it because for the first
• 1:03:21
  time we're seeing someone consistently, he becomes us in a way because like we're
• 1:03:28
  consistently having to like see the torture of these people, like view it and
• 1:03:34
  deal with it, like confront you. Yeah, absolutely, I totally agree.
• 1:03:38
  It's he's an audience cipher for you taking pleasure in watching these people die
• 1:03:45
  and then like what would you do in this situation? It is asking the
• 1:03:50
  audience a lot. He doesn't want to save them, and then he like
• 1:03:54
  always too late saves them, and he's kind of like weirdly slow when he
• 1:04:00
  saves them, like he's kind of like he doesn't want to do it at
• 1:04:03
  times, and then there's times where he just pulls full on. He fails
• 1:04:08
  all of them. Actually he fails everyone fails all of them. What's what
• 1:04:14
  is? Do you want to set it up? Did you set it up
• 1:04:15
  already? I mean, okay, like I don't know. I'm a little
• 1:04:18
  lost in the sauce. I think I need you to set it up,
• 1:04:21
  so I'll set it up. I'll set it up. But Jeff, we
• 1:04:25
  don't know who he is yet. He get it. He gets introduced into
• 1:04:28
  a box, uh, and then he's like, he's just like barking while
• 1:04:34
  loudly. Jigsaw on a small micro tape is talking louder than he is yelling.
• 1:04:42
  And then we get I feel that like doing that like very like Carrie
• 1:04:48
  whisper. He's like speak, he's whispering from the diaphragm to stage whispering totally,
• 1:04:56
  stage whispering totally, and we get this idea that like his Jeff's son
• 1:05:01
  has died, he wants to get revenge on a person, on the person
• 1:05:05
  who killed him, and he's doing within the box, we get a flashback
• 1:05:13
  of him doing are you talking to me in the mirror, and he's like,
• 1:05:17
  I'm your fucking teacher, you motherfucker. I love the the goofy weird
• 1:05:26
  like it really, I like this character is really relatable in ways, like
• 1:05:31
  and interestingly not relatable in other ways, but definitely audience cipher vibes totally.
• 1:05:41
  And then he like he's standing in his son's room pointing the gun at the
• 1:05:45
  mirror and then he sees that a toy is gone, and he goes this
• 1:05:48
  is such a great setup to both the daughter because my daughter daughter is so
• 1:05:57
  important to him, and dude, the way this is outrageous. End I
• 1:06:03
  mean, this is revisiting the same sort of because we did already set up
• 1:06:10
  the parallels with doctor Gordon. This is our other doctor Gordon, right,
• 1:06:15
  like, this is our other gen X who's struggling with fatherhood and struggling with
• 1:06:20
  being a parent and struggling with like you know, like this is still all
• 1:06:25
  the relevant issues. It's just the more kind of like mature and like like
• 1:06:30
  meta modern writing of it, not metamodern. This is more of a like
• 1:06:33
  a postmodern writing of it, like a removed removed lens sort of look at
• 1:06:40
  it. It's commenting on itself, right, yeah, for sure. And
• 1:06:44
  then like like lines, they have these like pretty vicious lines in all of
• 1:06:47
  these movies, but this one is like pretty awful because it's directed towards a
• 1:06:53
  kid where he's like, before you, how long will it take before you
• 1:06:58
  get it in your head? You know that trying to move your mouth in
• 1:07:00
  an American way because you're Scottish and you can't do an accent. It was
• 1:07:05
  amazing, dude, he does. He does. It always leads to some
• 1:07:10
  amazing performances because the voice is always so weird. Totally about his performance,
• 1:07:17
  Yeah, totally because but what I like about his performance is that it still
• 1:07:21
  feels like he does care. He's just like so misguidedly putting his anger in
• 1:07:28
  the wrong places and it's like towards his daughter and then she's he's like he
• 1:07:33
  grabs the toy back from her, and he's like okay, and it's like
• 1:07:36
  the problem is solved, but it's the problem in him is solved. He
• 1:07:42
  got the toy back, but it's like he's so traumatized this kid by doing
• 1:07:45
  this in the first place, and she's tragic. It's so tragic because he
• 1:07:50
  doesn't see what he's doing. He doesn't at all. It's kind of like
• 1:07:55
  it's really well written because it's like it's it kind of reminds me of tideland
• 1:08:00
  which I know we meme a lot and make fun of me, but like
• 1:08:03
  it's that kind of like seeing trauma through the eyes of a child and like
• 1:08:09
  understanding it kind of like in a removed sense, like seeing it sort of
• 1:08:13
  like presented at you is really interesting because like you're kind of like there's a
• 1:08:18
  dramatic irony that happens where you're realizing the pain that's going on, but like
• 1:08:24
  nobody else kind of is in the scene directly. You know. It's kind
• 1:08:28
  of like you get to see you get to see yourself almost as an adult
• 1:08:31
  and be like, oh, man, like there were moments like this,
• 1:08:34
  you know, and it's like it's interesting. I mean because it's interesting because
• 1:08:40
  like I think he's he does a really good job of of like sitting in
• 1:08:45
  his own pain while not really intending harm to his kid, but like just
• 1:08:50
  not seeing what he's doing, you know, totally totally. And like what's
• 1:08:56
  said is like the kid comes back and she's like, I'm sorry, daddy,
• 1:08:59
  and it's like, bro, you shouldn't be apologied. He should be
• 1:09:01
  apologizing to you. He should have done that to you in the first place.
• 1:09:05
  But if you do do something, you have to tell like you have
• 1:09:08
  to tell a kid like this isn't your responsibility. I am dealing with something
• 1:09:13
  and you deserve to be a kid. And she she like she comes into
• 1:09:17
  the room to apologize, and there's this like a series. It's true.
• 1:09:25
  It's true. Something that you mentioned about like paternal relationships also happens in The
• 1:09:32
  Shining as well, where in this scene it parallels the scene in The Shining
• 1:09:39
  where Jack is holding Danny and you know he's nuts, but you also know
• 1:09:45
  that he loves him and he's like, you know, I love you,
• 1:09:47
  don't you? And the dad and this is also like you know, I
• 1:09:50
  love you, don't you? And then it's like what if Mommy saw us
• 1:09:54
  this way? Which is great because that's a setup to like later on what
• 1:09:59
  happens. And it was also such a It was also such a nice homage
• 1:10:02
  to to The Shining because it's kind of it was really tastefully done. It
• 1:10:09
  wasn't like him fisted, it was it was natural in the story and it
• 1:10:14
  just felt like, you know, it's like I am recreating this like paternal
• 1:10:19
  relationship and this is still a relevant theme in our time. It was such
• 1:10:24
  a graceful use of that, Like I noticed that too. I wrote down
• 1:10:28
  The Shining totally, totally, totally. And then pig Mask kidnaps him and
• 1:10:36
  he cuts back to his traps. He is the guy who is on the
• 1:10:44
  cameras or on the monitors that Lynn was told to see. Uh, and
• 1:10:49
  he's like what I love about this scene is like him waving to the cameras
• 1:10:55
  as though like it's like, oh, somebody might be able to help me,
• 1:11:00
  help somebody help him. Something fascinating that this this series does really well
• 1:11:06
  too is using people's general confusion as points of of character development. So it's
• 1:11:15
  like being confused and you see a like CTV camera shooting at you, of
• 1:11:21
  course you're gonna be like, hey, maybe somebody can see me and help
• 1:11:26
  me. You know what I mean that is because you're like, oh man,
• 1:11:32
  this like I could see myself in a situation like this where I'm like,
• 1:11:36
  help somebody helping. I mean I would do the same, I would
• 1:11:43
  somebody healthy. Uh. So he finds a note that says open the door,
• 1:11:48
  Jeff. He finds a key, and he of himself. I said,
• 1:11:56
  you always leave a note, and oh you all have you always,
• 1:12:00
  and that's why you always holloween dying, dying. That was even that was
• 1:12:10
  like years ago. We now get the sort of amazing jealousy building. Oh
• 1:12:25
  dude, Oh can I pose something to you? Dude? Hit me?
• 1:12:34
  Okay. I think that because Jigsaw is a narcissist, he found a new
• 1:12:41
  person to be obsessed with and it was Lynn, doctor Lynn and not Amanda.
• 1:12:47
  And Amanda also has like attachment issues and maybe borderline personality disorder and not
• 1:12:54
  that I'm diagnosing, but like, but I think because of that, like
• 1:12:57
  she has like strange attachment issues and because he's like showed this like weird cult
• 1:13:02
  like they show that he's like cult like in this, like in that flashback
• 1:13:08
  where he's like, you will follow only me and think only like that,
• 1:13:12
  you'll give you you give me every cell in your body like Harry's code.
• 1:13:19
  He does literally like Linn touching Saw and like being gentle with him and like
• 1:13:30
  him following her orders kind of seems to like, well, he's trying a
• 1:13:36
  different sexual act. He's totally trying. He's trying to SUP for the first
• 1:13:41
  time. But it's it's the thing that doctor Gordon is mixed with Amanda.
• 1:13:49
  That's what I feel like he sees in Lynn, and we find out that
• 1:13:54
  his brain's hurdiating. Wait, it's wait, tell me that again. It's
• 1:13:58
  it's what is It's it's what he sees in Lynn. Is doctor Gordon and
• 1:14:05
  and Amanda put together, right, That's what I think he's like because he
• 1:14:11
  has he has a savior complex and also but he doesn't have the skills to
• 1:14:16
  save himself totally except for like the pain he caused himself when he like crashed,
• 1:14:23
  but like now he needs her, Yeah, and doesn't need Amanda anymore
• 1:14:28
  because she he like narcissisically turned on her and has been disappointed by her,
• 1:14:32
  has been nothing but faithful. And his goal, his goal is like he
• 1:14:38
  still wants to perform his like like tasks. He's the ones like task master
• 1:14:43
  these people, but like he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't really want
• 1:14:48
  to, Like he's he wants to survive more than anything, because he's all
• 1:14:54
  about survival, right, like yeah, exactly exactly. He's all about like
• 1:14:59
  the huge the need to survive Harry's code and so he makes yeah, yeah,
• 1:15:05
  sorry, go ahead, well you said the herniated thing of the brain,
• 1:15:09
  what like do you want to talk? Oh yeah, Like I love
• 1:15:12
  I love when she Lynn is like he has a herniated brain. He has
• 1:15:17
  to or his like brain is like swelling or whatever. We have to take
• 1:15:20
  him to the hospital. And I love how how Shanny Smith's performance I think
• 1:15:28
  the best in the whole series from this movie. But also she's the main
• 1:15:32
  character in this movie. Yeah, and I love her being like like coy
• 1:15:39
  with Lynn being like come here, and Lynn is like no, no,
• 1:15:43
  I'm not gonna come here, and she's like come here, come here.
• 1:15:45
  I think grabs her and she's like did I bring John to you? Or
• 1:15:48
  did I bring your self centered ass to him? I love that line,
• 1:15:53
  the self centered ass, and like her being so close to Lynn as well,
• 1:15:59
  like pulling we're close to her face and like talking into her mouth and
• 1:16:02
  like being like, pay the fuck attention, No one's going to the hospital,
• 1:16:10
  dude. It's like really, it's it's really like well done because you
• 1:16:15
  really, like, I mean, you feel for Jigsaw in the sense of
• 1:16:20
  like you know, it's it's a human in in health danger that needs immediate
• 1:16:27
  like uh, you know, doctor attention, you know, like and so
• 1:16:30
  like it's like interesting, like yes, because also we have this doctor as
• 1:16:34
  like the moral center, this flawed moral center, right, who's like good
• 1:16:39
  at her job and like you know, like and so like her job is
• 1:16:43
  to keep him alive, regardless of him being like this like you know,
• 1:16:46
  like murderous scum. But we get more into that though with their relationship because
• 1:16:53
  he's like I'm not a murderer and I'm like, damn, dude, you
• 1:16:57
  still think you're not a murderer after all this. That's awesome though. I
• 1:17:00
  actually like that a lot. That like the well because it reinforces it reinforces
• 1:17:06
  his anger towards towards Amanda. Yeah, totally. And also it brings us
• 1:17:15
  back to the fact that if he didn't think this, uh, and if
• 1:17:20
  he didn't delude himself enough into thinking this, he would have to like be
• 1:17:25
  like, oh no, I have to jigsaw myself because I'm I'm a murderer.
• 1:17:29
  And but he's like so moral in it that he's like, I hate
• 1:17:32
  murderers. Actually I'm not. I'm such a not murderer that I hate them
• 1:17:36
  and I kill them, you know what I mean. That's also something narcissists
• 1:17:40
  to do, where it's like, oh, like I have to I hate
• 1:17:45
  those things. Yeah, totally, exactly exactly. Kanye does it all like
• 1:17:48
  everyone right yeah, and every right wing gay guy does it too. Oh
• 1:17:55
  man, Well, yeah, like be like fucking useful idiots to anti trans
• 1:17:59
  movement and stuff like that. Yeah, absolutely, and uh yeah, like
• 1:18:09
  oh man, when when he's like when he like yells at Amanda too,
• 1:18:13
  and he's like, Amanda stop yelling at our doctor. She can't perform a
• 1:18:19
  surgery if I'm if you're yelling at her, and then he like has a
• 1:18:24
  seizure and like barfs up blood and ship. This man is performance like both
• 1:18:29
  on Jigsauce Park and on Amanda, because she's like completely frozen right after delivering
• 1:18:34
  a speech about like what's what's interesting also about Amanda. Sorry to pivot back
• 1:18:41
  just for one second, she like lists a bunch of medicines that he needs,
• 1:18:47
  implying that she's been doing a lot of studying about like how to do
• 1:18:51
  this kind of stuff too. She wanted to do the libertarian Amanda. She
• 1:18:57
  totally did, but surgery. But also in the moment that Jigsaw does need
• 1:19:04
  her when he's having a disgusting gross seizure, she freezes and she's like the
• 1:19:12
  doctor, the actual doctor is like I need you to get me oxygen,
• 1:19:15
  like he needs oxygen, and like Amida starts crying and she like breaks down
• 1:19:19
  entirely, like she becomes a child again, like and it's it's a it's
• 1:19:25
  an awesome scene. Yeah, it's amazing, dude, it's amazing. It's
• 1:19:28
  a it's a really it's and it's like it seems like that that really make
• 1:19:31
  this movie work in a in a in an interesting kind of way, like
• 1:19:35
  in an exciting way like that. I don't think we've seen this kind of
• 1:19:40
  energy in a Saw movie yet, and I'm excited to see if it like
• 1:19:45
  takes this pivots from this direction, because like like, this movie in many
• 1:19:49
  ways feels like a different genre than the other ones. Like it it has
• 1:19:54
  all the traps. Can I tell you something, I was just gonna say,
• 1:19:58
  this is the Terminator two of this It totally is. Well, it's
• 1:20:01
  definitely the Freddy three of the SAU series. It's the Freddy three for sure,
• 1:20:05
  but it's the the Determinator two because of the genre shift. It's like
• 1:20:11
  a weird action horror instead of like an action thriller. And but what I
• 1:20:17
  also love about Lynn is that her consistency never feels like a flat one dimension.
• 1:20:24
  It feels like I'm being consistent as a doctor. This person needs to
• 1:20:29
  go to a Not seven laboratory to get brain surgery, and I can't do
• 1:20:33
  it. Cad Amanda is so hardcore, like she's like she's like what do
• 1:20:39
  you need and she's like anaesthetic and it's like okay, what else, what
• 1:20:43
  else do you need? And she's like, oh my god, like and
• 1:20:45
  I love when she, like Lynn gets so frustrated and she just goes a
• 1:20:49
  power drill and I was like, oh my god, amazing. I love
• 1:20:54
  it. I that was so exciting to hear that. Like, I was
• 1:20:58
  just like, wow, dude. So she's like, fine, if you
• 1:21:00
  wanna, if you want me to do this, this is how I'm going
• 1:21:03
  to have to do this. And it's kind of cool that she did.
• 1:21:06
  Actually, she did actually find a way to make it work what they wanted
• 1:21:12
  to do. This is the most pornographic of the scenes. This scene this
• 1:21:17
  movie is very like sexual, a lot more sexual than the rest, not
• 1:21:21
  only the cenobite choices, even the cenobite kind of vibe of the entire You're
• 1:21:28
  right, it is a very hell raisory vibe. But like, this is
• 1:21:30
  also the most booby and nudity that we've seen in this movie. Yeah,
• 1:21:35
  this lady that's chained up, who was a witness to the killing of Jeff's
• 1:21:46
  son, Yes, is tied up. This isn't a really interesting trap and
• 1:21:51
  it does feel very much like he could have saved her immediately. Yes,
• 1:21:58
  but it's like spraying her with water and being very cold to death, and
• 1:22:05
  but like she's like in a freezer. It's it's really yeah, she's in
• 1:22:10
  a freezer. And like this is this one was like I could like picture
• 1:22:15
  this, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, I could.
• 1:22:17
  I felt like this felt the most like the most realistic trap. So like
• 1:22:25
  missing her to death, yeah, yeah, man, it's the tor that
• 1:22:29
  that was kind of like a brutal torture. But yeah, you're right,
• 1:22:31
  James, because James wand and So the original director writer and leeweel Co wrote
• 1:22:39
  this one as well, And you're right. It does feel much more in
• 1:22:42
  line with the first one than it does in the second one. And this
• 1:22:46
  trap is really interesting because of the fact that it is in keeping with that
• 1:22:54
  kind of like oh no, it's dirty in a different kind of cold way,
• 1:22:59
  dirty cold, sad. You know, it's like scary in a different
• 1:23:02
  kind of way. But basically, he tries the key that he got from
• 1:23:08
  the first box on the lock on the door and the lock on her chains,
• 1:23:13
  and then he finds the tape recorder. And what I love about everybody's
• 1:23:16
  reaction to Jeff is like they immediately think that he's the person that trapped them,
• 1:23:23
  because why wouldn't you. Oh yeah, And in a way he is
• 1:23:28
  because he's choosing not to save them. That's the whole point of the thing
• 1:23:30
  he actually does in this one. He I think Jigsaw actually for the first
• 1:23:35
  time turns someone else into a murderer because he's using Yeah, he's refining his
• 1:23:42
  own methods of like turning someone else into a murderer or making him just like
• 1:23:46
  understand that murdering is wrong and like the fact that his son died is not
• 1:23:53
  going to be helped by murdering the person who accidentally killed him. Yeah,
• 1:23:58
  and like like also who the the like power dynamics of having like like a
• 1:24:06
  nude woman chained in like a naked in like a cold circumstance, and like
• 1:24:14
  she looks like she's been been there already for a while. It's just like
• 1:24:18
  puts her at such a disadvantage that I'm just like, oh my god,
• 1:24:23
  dude, like like save her Jesus. Yeah, totally totally. And also
• 1:24:29
  like it's interesting the fact that the judge, the white old man judge,
• 1:24:38
  is the only one who really gets saved in this situation at least. Yeah,
• 1:24:42
  well, like kind of when he ends up suffering later, like getting
• 1:24:45
  his brain down out, but we'll we'll talk about that. But yeah,
• 1:24:50
  she's gently being missed. And then he goes to place his face on some
• 1:24:57
  cold, cold metal bars and then peel peels of his own face off,
• 1:25:01
  and then she just turns into an ice block immediately like like but she's like,
• 1:25:08
  but she's like as frozen as like fucking what's his face from what's his
• 1:25:15
  name? Oh my god, he's got the amazing name or no, the
• 1:25:18
  guy from the guy from a Fifth Element that gets frozen to the Yeah,
• 1:25:30
  yeah, okay, so Brian James, I thought it might not be,
• 1:25:32
  but she she her her performance is really good and that line where she's like,
• 1:25:39
  I'm human, your son was human. Just please like like just do
• 1:25:45
  this just out of just your humanity, and like, honestly, for this
• 1:25:48
  person, I feel like I would have just saved them immediately, like a
• 1:25:51
  first I could watch I die. Like honestly, that's I think that that
• 1:26:00
  is meant to be to show us how all consumed he is by by this,
• 1:26:09
  and like in a way that he can't think about anything else. He
• 1:26:11
  can't think about his daughter. His daughter is not actually important. His son
• 1:26:15
  is important, and he's he's not thinking about his daughter, and he's not
• 1:26:19
  thinking about this person who just happened to see something happen like I don't know,
• 1:26:25
  like what why is she? Why do you hate to face? Yeah?
• 1:26:30
  Because she she could have helped she away, because like that's the that's
• 1:26:33
  the thing, is that, like the punishment isn't like, oh you you
• 1:26:39
  know you watched my son die like I watched him die. Is that you
• 1:26:43
  didn't help me when I needed You can help me, You can support my
• 1:26:46
  son. Speaking of his son, he escapes, tries to save her,
• 1:26:51
  but but like much much later than like he does. He it's just as
• 1:26:58
  unexpected to him quickly she turned into an as it was, Yeah, exactly,
• 1:27:04
  but he was also very weirdly slow about it, very weirdly slow,
• 1:27:09
  very weirdly slow, very weirdly slow. With all of those you wanted to
• 1:27:14
  see more boobies. He definitely wanted to see more boobies. He escapes,
• 1:27:18
  there's a new box with a new note and a picture of his son,
• 1:27:23
  and a bullet that killed your old man, uh, and a bullet that
• 1:27:30
  killed his old man. And then we cut back to Lynn and she's got
• 1:27:34
  all the necessary tools uh to see uh to saw jigsaws complicated brain surgery dude,
• 1:27:45
  Yeah, totally, totally. And then we find the Lynn looking at
• 1:27:50
  the reverse bear trap, uh and seeing that she can like maybe kill Amanda
• 1:27:56
  with something, and then SE's a phone and that the reverse bear trap opens
• 1:28:01
  up. And I love this scene because Amanda is like, I know what
• 1:28:04
  you're thinking. You think you could take that axe that you were looking at
• 1:28:08
  and jab me with it and then try and run away, but then you'll
• 1:28:13
  have to deal with the shotgun necklace that you have around your neck and the
• 1:28:16
  fact that if John dies, then you die. And it's it's hilarious to
• 1:28:20
  like trap this person through circumstance, even though she can, Like even she
• 1:28:27
  even hands her the axe and turns around, and she's like, she's like,
• 1:28:31
  all turn around, even you can bash my face in out here and
• 1:28:36
  then trigger your shotgun necklace. Oh man, Okay, So yeah, what
• 1:28:42
  happens next? Linda says a line which is really great. She's like,
• 1:28:45
  I have the instruments to cut somebody open, I don't have the tools to
• 1:28:48
  save somebody's life. And Amanda goes, you'd be surprised. What kind of
• 1:28:56
  tools can save a life, and then it flashes back to Jigsaw painting painting
• 1:29:03
  Billy, which is hilarious, which is him him, but then care yeah
• 1:29:17
  totally uh. And then like watching Jigsaw like this is also weird weirdly sexual
• 1:29:23
  when he like puts Amanda in the actual reverse bear trap and like lowers that
• 1:29:30
  ball thing in her mouth to like put the like device on her, and
• 1:29:36
  then like we get a recreation of what happens to her, but from the
• 1:29:41
  perspective of Jigsaw. Uh. And then Jigsaw ends up in her apartment and
• 1:29:45
  he has been like sort of collecting these like weirdos in order to like both
• 1:29:54
  save him and save them at the same time. It's the rules. The
• 1:29:59
  only person that needs to come back as Zepp, dude, because it's the
• 1:30:02
  rules. Zepp definitely needs to come back. He could totally play all of
• 1:30:06
  these other people play the same age from twenty years ago. He could totally
• 1:30:11
  also play the same age. The wife should come back the wife of doctor
• 1:30:15
  Gordon and Diana Diana grown up Diana. Dude, should get jen Z in
• 1:30:20
  there totally, so we're getting prepped for surgery and Jagsaw is like Amanda,
• 1:30:30
  there's a nonvelope with your name on it. I know you're gonna film my
• 1:30:33
  tests, so you're gonna need it too. And Amanda. I love Amanda,
• 1:30:41
  Amanda's childlike nature being in such contrast to her like teenagehood nature of being
• 1:30:49
  new metal. And Amopi Teine, who likes the bash people's faces in into
• 1:30:55
  like a sad, sad girl who's like, it's amazing, She's gonna do
• 1:30:59
  a upration on you and to relieve the pressure on your brain. And and
• 1:31:02
  Jigsaw, like a dad, is like, yeah, it'll help with the
• 1:31:08
  headaches, you know. Like it's it's like she's really touching performance. It's
• 1:31:14
  so touching, it's so tragic, and he's like, what happens to their
• 1:31:18
  relationship? Honestly, Like the fact that he's such a malignant narcissist with malignant
• 1:31:23
  cancer is just like really really like awful, dude, it's awful. It's
• 1:31:30
  and she's it is it is and she is like I can't do this,
• 1:31:35
  and he's like, Amanda, you can, You're stronger now, and it's
• 1:31:40
  like no, she's not, like you permanently fucked this person's life up,
• 1:31:45
  and like and then she ends up. Oh man, that kind of hot
• 1:31:48
  scene where she like pulls her pants down and is cutting her leg. That
• 1:31:54
  was kind of an amazing scene because it's like because it's it's it's kind of
• 1:31:57
  amazing because you he didn't fix her, like the things that we were saying
• 1:32:02
  in the first one where it's like, bro, he so didn't fix you,
• 1:32:06
  and then the second one it was like, man, you're still doing
• 1:32:10
  this because you need to go to therapy or something. You don't need this
• 1:32:14
  psycho. Oh yeah, totally. Amanda would have benefited from like just like
• 1:32:18
  you know, asking a friend during the pandemic. People made it really accessible,
• 1:32:23
  you know, you could do it online on Soon totally. And then
• 1:32:28
  I love Jeff walking through the dark corridors and finding Billy the puppet in the
• 1:32:34
  same position that his son was in on the tricycle. That was weird,
• 1:32:42
  man, Like that was sad, Like it's why would they do that to
• 1:32:45
  this guy? Yeah, totallymat and then re traumatizing him. And then he
• 1:32:53
  ends up in the he knocks on this door and pushes it open and he
• 1:32:58
  hears this guy who was like, somebody helped me. And what I love
• 1:33:02
  about this scene is number one, the setup of the smell, like Jeff
• 1:33:06
  is like something is smelling terrible, and the guy in the tank where the
• 1:33:15
  goo the pigs get disintegrated into chicken nuggets and and the rotting pigs get get
• 1:33:24
  mushed into Google. Dude, the fact that they the fact that they were
• 1:33:28
  rotting too, and they just like it seems like they were crushed way more
• 1:33:31
  easily into the slime, and like he was just getting slimed over and over
• 1:33:39
  and over again. And the dude actually like literally the fact that, like,
• 1:33:45
  you're right, this one is the most sexual, Like the fact that
• 1:33:47
  it's just like viscera and slime. It's really amazing. It's like just totally
• 1:33:53
  back scene, and like it's a tsunami, dude, and they's somebody's getting
• 1:34:00
  salmonella after this shoot. That's what they were saying. And then and then
• 1:34:08
  like the judge inside being like I could hear you. I just help me,
• 1:34:14
  I know you're there. You know that kind of thing, the totally
• 1:34:17
  the like weird sad thing. But yeah, so anyway, this is the
• 1:34:21
  judge who presided over the killer of his son's death and he sent him to
• 1:34:28
  jail for six months. And I love this judge pleading with the kind of
• 1:34:32
  in the kind of way that he does, because it's like very like let's
• 1:34:35
  talk about your case, you know, let's talk about your case. Yeah,
• 1:34:40
  like doing everything to like try and get him to like just not do
• 1:34:46
  not get bukockied on so much. Yeah, Like he buts like at least
• 1:34:50
  like twenty five percent les Bucocky that he's getting, oh totally. And then
• 1:34:56
  and then and I love a cldel court justice for Christ's sake and the authoritative
• 1:35:06
  Yeah, and constantly Jeff being like you don't remember me, dare you in
• 1:35:12
  that like Scottish accent that he can't cover. But what he has to do
• 1:35:18
  is he has to burn all his son's toys in order to get the key
• 1:35:23
  to release to save this guy. Yeah, and he has to like burn
• 1:35:27
  the pictures of his son too. It is like cathartic and sad. And
• 1:35:31
  then the judges like swimming in and he finally gets him out. Yeah,
• 1:35:40
  there's so much calm, dude, and he gets he gets him out and
• 1:35:45
  and he's like it's kind of amazing. His like mouth is just like appearing
• 1:35:55
  from the goo. It's amazing, dude. It's so pink slime. And
• 1:36:00
  they climb out of that like bocky tunnel and they get into like a different
• 1:36:06
  kind of like chamber. Well, they it changes scenes to Lynn doing the
• 1:36:15
  operation where she puts she cuts a flap in in the skull of Jigsaw.
• 1:36:23
  She gives, Yeah, totally she does. And she's like, oh,
• 1:36:30
  it will drastically improve your butter skills. Do you do you understand what's going
• 1:36:34
  to happen? All do well? And yeah, the the flap, dude,
• 1:36:41
  oh my god, it's so she and he has she has to do
• 1:36:44
  the the procedure while he's awake, and man, the gooey flap sounds and
• 1:36:51
  the cutting, the like sawing that he gets saw dude, he gets looks
• 1:36:59
  so ill. It looks it looks real. It looks real. It looks
• 1:37:03
  very very real. They shot it well and like when like she has to
• 1:37:06
  like poor just like the straight alcohol onto like his brain moved into the skull.
• 1:37:12
  Yeah, I was just like, oh my god, I mean I
• 1:37:15
  guess like, if you have nothing, you just have to do it that
• 1:37:17
  way. That's just what you have to do. And like you can tell
• 1:37:20
  she's not doing it by the book, but she's doing it well right,
• 1:37:25
  Yeah, totally, man, And every time it cuts the Jigsaw's face and
• 1:37:29
  her being like, okay, okay, John, bite down, You're gonna
• 1:37:32
  hear a lot of drilling. And I'm like, no, that triggered by
• 1:37:35
  OCD. That was like, that was hard. That the sounds of skulls,
• 1:37:42
  the yeah, the drilling, and then the the like blood shooting out
• 1:37:48
  of the holes, and then and then her being like after the fourth hole,
• 1:37:53
  she's like, John, how are you doing? Never better? My
• 1:37:58
  god? I mean, John, how are you doing calling to the juicer?
• 1:38:12
  Oh, dude? And then she fucking is like, you're gonna hear
• 1:38:15
  a lot of ringing, so stay very still, and then she fucking saws
• 1:38:20
  his skull the square out of it to relief the the the pressure in his
• 1:38:26
  brain. Wait wait wait wait sorry sorry sorry, sorry, sorry one second,
• 1:38:29
  dude. We didn't say speaking of fucking speaking of John, speaking of
• 1:38:34
  Jigsaw. We didn't say a very important thing that happened when they were planning
• 1:38:41
  out staging out part one, and we saw like what happened in like the
• 1:38:45
  prequel times and like he's putting all the like fake blood and stuff. He
• 1:38:49
  did put a slow acting poison coursing through his veins to lower his not a
• 1:38:55
  slow acting poison, but he put true I lowered my blood pressure with this,
• 1:39:00
  like yeah, yeah, He's like, I'm lowering my heart rate.
• 1:39:03
  So he does do that. He actually he's committing to the bit, dude.
• 1:39:09
  Yeah. He participates in the the like the fetish totally totally like he
• 1:39:15
  wants to be there. He likes to watch, like he he likes to
• 1:39:19
  watch, dude. He gives this sister, now, I'm gonna remove your
• 1:39:25
  skull, John oh Man, and the the like a piece of skull and
• 1:39:30
  then the fucking membrane dude. The cutting of the membrane dude, Ah,
• 1:39:34
  jigsaw fucking jizzing and being like, oh yeah it was. And she's like
• 1:39:43
  she wins. She's like he's stabilizing and he kind of he kind of has
• 1:39:46
  like a she kind of has like a jizzing moment too. She's like she's
• 1:39:50
  so happy that he's stabling. But what's interesting about this scene and this is
• 1:39:56
  also set up stuff, which you know what, as I'm getting into the
• 1:40:00
  series, like I like more, but as like watching them as individual movies,
• 1:40:05
  it does bother me. We get John remembering his age appropriate fifty two
• 1:40:13
  year old wife for his fifty two year old self. And by the way,
• 1:40:19
  I keep mentioning that he's fifty two in the movie because he's sixty five
• 1:40:24
  in real life at this point. But he's got cancer. He's like,
• 1:40:30
  yeah, exactly, Yeah, no, I could believe that remembre's his wife.
• 1:40:35
  Yeah, that was here's his wife in this. That was weird because
• 1:40:39
  it was like, yeah, I mean, I guess, I guess we'll
• 1:40:41
  find out what fucking you'll see what I mean, that's exciting, that's weird.
• 1:40:46
  Don't tell me anymore. By the way, can I tell you something
• 1:40:50
  about this though, that you probably missed please? In this In this scene
• 1:40:59
  when he's you see his wife like like nice trees outside, and guess who's
• 1:41:06
  walking towards the camera? Okay, dude, who Abby, the bald guy
• 1:41:14
  who died in the the other one who helped kidnap the people in the house.
• 1:41:19
  Whoa? Whoa? The second movie, Abby is walking by my wife
• 1:41:26
  in the flashback. Okay, okay, okay, because just look, honestly,
• 1:41:30
  there's a screen if you remember I remember one fifty eight, you could
• 1:41:35
  just see him and they focus in on the guy. He's just a Danny
• 1:41:40
  maul roon in this, but like they focus in on him so much.
• 1:41:44
  Remember, Oh, that's just abby, It's amazing. I remember that.
• 1:41:47
  And then and then and then Amanda's freaking out again, being like, oh
• 1:41:53
  my god, what's happening? Uh? And I love John John Kramer videotaping
• 1:41:59
  as so close to her face with the video camera, and he ends up
• 1:42:05
  being alive. He starts breathing, and he's done it. She's done it.
• 1:42:12
  She's relieved the pressure on his brain. She's relieved the pressure on his
• 1:42:16
  brain. And Amanda goes to relieve the pressure of the pain that she feels
• 1:42:19
  from her depression by cutting yourself. This is the scene. And but then
• 1:42:26
  we get the more flashbacks of why she's becoming so much more unhinged is because
• 1:42:30
  her reality is unraveling too. Because in the in the past, we get
• 1:42:35
  this, this this part of like you're gonna give me every cell in your
• 1:42:41
  body, every every cut on your body now is in the past, even
• 1:42:45
  though now she's cutting herself. So she's making new cuts to her and it's
• 1:42:50
  like when you go down that corridor, there's no turning back, and it's
• 1:42:57
  like set up for like a different trap that she's had. She Uh,
• 1:43:00
  she's a part of and this is when what's it called he's now a lot
• 1:43:06
  more like in control, and he's like training her to do the first gig
• 1:43:14
  with him because she she he did Lee one L and Lawrence by himself with
• 1:43:20
  Zepp and Amanda. That's the implication that Amanda was was part of that too.
• 1:43:28
  And then we get the revisiting the scene with Lee W and L where
• 1:43:31
  she kidnaps him and you realize that it's her instead of Zepp or or what's
• 1:43:38
  his name Jigsaw, and man, this is where we find out that she's
• 1:43:45
  broken the rules. She like pulls Lee w and L in while what's his
• 1:43:54
  name Jigsaw is doing his makeup for the show and injecting himself with the slow
• 1:44:00
  acting poison. And what's incredible about this part of the movie when he's like
• 1:44:10
  closed the door behind you and then she she like goes into like all the
• 1:44:15
  memories around that kind of stuff, while at the same time, Lynn puts
• 1:44:20
  on back or her wedding ring and there's like a reconnection of memory for her
• 1:44:26
  of like what it was like to be happy in a relationship with her family
• 1:44:31
  and now we're kind of at peace in this scene and fucking Amanda goes to
• 1:44:36
  Jigsaw and is like touching his face with her face and like like being so
• 1:44:45
  weird, weird and what's it called weird and like gentle, But then like
• 1:44:50
  turn Sarah Connors on Lynn and like puts the gun like like tries to pull
• 1:44:57
  out the gun and Jigsaw. Jigsaw knows that, like she's unhinged at this
• 1:45:02
  point, and he's like put it away, Amanda. And he has to
• 1:45:08
  be like gentle because he knows that he's been ang too angry at her.
• 1:45:13
  But now that his brain is not swelling as much, he's like back into
• 1:45:16
  his more manipulative days. And I love how Lynn is like whispers under her
• 1:45:24
  breath, you fucking freak. Oh yeah, and Jigsaw is like, I
• 1:45:30
  apologize for her behavior. He like becomes much more like Jigsaw and yeah,
• 1:45:38
  and he goes she swims in my seas and it's like, uh, she's
• 1:45:43
  the closest connection I'll ever have. It's like so bizarre. But her emotion
• 1:45:47
  is also her weakness and like she's like like constantly cutting herself like I don't
• 1:45:55
  know, yeah, like you no like talking about her in that way.
• 1:45:58
  It's actually so humiliating of Amanda. I would say like it's it's he,
• 1:46:04
  and she realizes that she's like, I don't like this about him, and
• 1:46:11
  that's why her world is falling apart too, And then we get her flashback
• 1:46:16
  where after he says her emotion is her weakness, she comes back to Adam
• 1:46:23
  and fucking chokes him to death. And it's so sad. It's such a
• 1:46:28
  sad end to Adam, who like as much of like as a piece of
• 1:46:34
  shit that as they tried to set him up as he's still like a human
• 1:46:38
  being, he's still a help. Dude, is like, I feel I
• 1:46:43
  feel bad for Adam. Dude, Like, yeah, he's like he did
• 1:46:45
  not deserve to have that fate. But someone else who didn't deserve to have
• 1:46:49
  that fate, dude is Donnie Wahlberg. And oh my god, when do
• 1:46:54
  we get to back. Well, we're thirty minutes away from it. But
• 1:47:00
  Adam gets hits the toilet while his face is wrapped in in goo and then
• 1:47:04
  chokes on his own blood. Man, that was like such a brutally depressing,
• 1:47:10
  sad, depressing scene. But Jeff Jeff ends up at his third and
• 1:47:17
  most challenging part, which I think is the saddest of the saw Deaths Twisty
• 1:47:28
  five years old, the twisty arms and this guy's performance. Dude really made
• 1:47:32
  it because he's so scared and so sad. He's in a twisty arm machine,
• 1:47:40
  twisty leg machine, and a twisty head machine. And this is the
• 1:47:44
  guy who killed his son. And he gets he gets the Jeff gets the
• 1:47:50
  chamber, not the chamber of the clip for the bullet that killed your old
• 1:47:58
  man. And these scene where this guy. They got this guy because he
• 1:48:01
  can cry on command, because he is so good. Every picture you see
• 1:48:06
  of him as he killed the kid is like him crying and weeping and like
• 1:48:13
  he's like, have mercy, man. You immediately feel so much for him.
• 1:48:18
  You feel like you're like, man, I'm so sorry for this guy.
• 1:48:24
  He didn't mean to do it. And the judge tries to save him
• 1:48:26
  too. The judge tries to like so like immediately is like you're just standing
• 1:48:30
  here. You're accomplished a murder. An you're a murderer. Yeah, And
• 1:48:35
  he's like you have to get the key, but the key is tied to
• 1:48:40
  a shotgun that'll shoot him. Will you shoot yourself to save this guy?
• 1:48:45
  Which is his final test, which is his final test, and he accidentally
• 1:48:48
  ends up shooting the judge in the face and the guy gets twisted the bones
• 1:48:55
  breaking for this dude, man, he gets twisty in the most non new
• 1:49:00
  just the just the most like visceral like bone splitting, like like like like
• 1:49:06
  muscle meat splitting. Like it was just like oh my god, good lord,
• 1:49:12
  Like I can't I can't handle it. But you know what, Like
• 1:49:15
  it was really it was really cool because like it kind of like by reveling
• 1:49:20
  in that torture porn it and like making us accomplices to the murder of this
• 1:49:26
  guy by like our cipher not doing anything, it's like our complicity in watching
• 1:49:30
  these movies, in supporting this kind of media. It's interesting. It's commentary,
• 1:49:36
  and like it is a commentary. When he tries to like hold his
• 1:49:41
  head in place and he's like trying not to let his head get twisted off
• 1:49:45
  rather than like just like trying to unlock the machine, it's kind of like
• 1:49:48
  it's sad. It's like feeble. It's like you wanting to do something but
• 1:49:53
  but not wanting to do it and allowing a thing to happen. Totally totally.
• 1:49:59
  This is this scene you were talking about earlier where Lynn is like I've
• 1:50:02
  I've suffered. I've like and I like, you don't know what I've been
• 1:50:05
  through. You don't know what my life is like? Uh, And Jagsaw
• 1:50:09
  is like you haven't seen anything yet, and he he's like he like grabs
• 1:50:16
  her hand and like Amanda, He's like, we're fine, Amanda, we
• 1:50:21
  don't need you. I said, we're fine, and he gives like a
• 1:50:25
  double take to Amanda, and Amanda fucking flips out and someone who wax who
• 1:50:34
  has man like, oh my god. And then Jigsaw puts the wax on
• 1:50:43
  the tape and we see Jeff coming in to to man, this scene is
• 1:50:51
  so awesome. I love this scene. Jeff walks in to the laboratory.
• 1:50:56
  We find out that Jeff is the actual husband of Lynn. This reveal is
• 1:51:03
  like, even though you kind of know it's it's amazing. It's so well
• 1:51:10
  done. It's so like red Herring enough that like I'm willing to give it
• 1:51:15
  like the like good will you know what I mean of? Like yeah,
• 1:51:18
  this, I totally buy this, totally totally. And then he tries to
• 1:51:25
  get Amanda to take Lynn's Shaka necklace off and he's like Amanda, there are
• 1:51:32
  rules and she goes. Amanda freaks out and she's like she doesn't deserve to
• 1:51:36
  go free, like and it's like like she starts freaking out in the best,
• 1:51:44
  most childish way, and he's like, what about the other test subjects?
• 1:51:48
  You know, the other ones? And then it's revealed that Amanda has
• 1:51:53
  been setting up traps for people that she's just getting revenge on oh Man,
• 1:51:57
  like the which gives the deep lore of why the cop and his son were
• 1:52:01
  even a thing. The cop is the one who arrested her. She pulled,
• 1:52:09
  she she kissed his sister. Dude, she pulled exactly exactly she pulled,
• 1:52:15
  she she kissed, she pulled Donnie into this whole mess and like Jigsaw,
• 1:52:21
  like Jigsaw kind of maybe went along with it, but like realized that
• 1:52:26
  like that was him realizing that Amanda was unhinged, more unhinged than when he
• 1:52:32
  framed me. Yeah, when when she planted the drugs, and like when
• 1:52:38
  she goes, he didn't change. I loved what they cut back to fucking
• 1:52:42
  Donnie with the pipe and just like trying to like break her down and then
• 1:52:45
  constantly showing the foot being Gussie and then her kicking his foot and then him
• 1:52:54
  standing on and then further breaking on already gushy foot is like really next level
• 1:53:01
  like torture part is just like you can't help but laugh at that because you're
• 1:53:06
  just like, oh my god, it's already like like splinters in meat sock,
• 1:53:11
  and then it's like an even more broken meat sock. Like it's just
• 1:53:15
  like so upsetting. There's so much Catharsis in all of these movies. But
• 1:53:19
  when he fucking pulls her down and is like viciously beating the shit out of
• 1:53:23
  her and then he's like slamming her face into the wall, and it's like,
• 1:53:26
  where's my son? Where's that? That was a little bit like that
• 1:53:30
  was a little bit like all of that was that was a little bit like
• 1:53:34
  reminded me of like all the dudes that were on Johnny Depp's side and making
• 1:53:40
  all those new metal memes and and hating ever heard Reveling and that kind of
• 1:53:45
  beating of a woman. It feels like that is like but but like I
• 1:53:51
  think that I think that like it really works because it's like, yeah,
• 1:53:57
  like at this point, Amanda like shocked my foot and and and saying where
• 1:54:10
  is he you? Junkie bitch, like those kinds of lines where you're like,
• 1:54:15
  he so embodies this role, Dude, that's amazing because it's like it's
• 1:54:19
  like he's he's judging her and he hates her, and he's still believe he's
• 1:54:24
  She's right. He hasn't changed. He still thinks she is a junkie bitch
• 1:54:29
  as he calls her, and it's like it's like that's like a horrible thing,
• 1:54:33
  a horrible judgment to place on someone. And you can tell that the
• 1:54:36
  reason he put her in jail, it is he kissed his sister. Dude,
• 1:54:41
  Like it's because of the it's because of his judgment and not because like
• 1:54:46
  so he is a corrupt piece of ship and and also she is like like
• 1:54:51
  a crazy person who's putting him through torture. But like it's kind of a
• 1:54:56
  gray area here, like you don't know who you're rooting for. But that's
• 1:54:59
  the part, is that this is all where the gray area comes in.
• 1:55:02
  And then he goes, you're nothing, bitch, You're nothing. You're not
• 1:55:06
  Jigsaw. It's like violent Jigsaw that wanting to like humiliate her and knowing that
• 1:55:15
  she wanted to make her recognize, yeah, you wanting to make her recognize
• 1:55:20
  that she's not, and she does kind of in this moment, she she
• 1:55:27
  as a Jigsaw. Yeah, she builds her own identity, which is like
• 1:55:30
  just being punishing towards everybody totally, and then Amanda totally totally. And then
• 1:55:43
  she's like, that's right, I am a murderer. And it's like really
• 1:55:45
  funny because he says that line from earlier on I hate murderers. I despise
• 1:55:50
  them, and it's like and then she she realizes, she's like, your
• 1:55:58
  philosophy is total ship, Like you're preaching to me that I have to like
• 1:56:01
  be like this this amazing person while you're fucking torturing people. And and she's
• 1:56:09
  like it's a lie. And then he she she's like despondent and she's like
• 1:56:13
  it's all bullshit. And then Jeff comes in to the one more door and
• 1:56:19
  and this scene is actually like pretty touching because Jigsaw is like, I beg
• 1:56:25
  you because she's she was the first person that's he saved and he needs his
• 1:56:30
  project to go on and without her the project ends entirely, you know.
• 1:56:36
  Uh, And he gets Jeff gets the gun, uh, and he finally
• 1:56:42
  completes the picture, and the picture is obviously we find out the Linn,
• 1:56:46
  Jeff and the kid, we're all a family. Amanda shoots Linn and Jeff
• 1:56:56
  shoots Amanda. Uh, and then Jeff fucking freaks out and he's like,
• 1:57:03
  he's like, the only thing you can do, Jeff from Jigsaw is to
• 1:57:09
  forgive me and I can save your entire family. And he Jigsaw reveals that
• 1:57:17
  this whole movie was actually a test for Amanda to prove her like loyalty to
• 1:57:21
  him and not murder people. So he tested her three times. Just keeps
• 1:57:30
  putting Amanda through tests, dude, continuing to For some reason, he really
• 1:57:35
  like beat her into He was a horrible influence in her life. Horrible.
• 1:57:41
  Yeah, he was a horrible mentor. He didn't do anything good for her.
• 1:57:45
  He ruined her life more and then turned her into a murderer and and
• 1:57:48
  then resented her for it and allowed her to die. Yeah, and then
• 1:57:54
  explained to her as she was dying why he did it and was like,
• 1:57:59
  well, it's okay, I'm gonna die. He was like, I wanted
• 1:58:01
  you to succeed. And it's like, are you kidding, dude. The
• 1:58:04
  tortures that is how gen X or sorry. That is how boomers are towards
• 1:58:12
  Gen X and millennials. Dude, they're like they're like they're like, yeah,
• 1:58:15
  prove prove it, prove that you're good. It's true. Mama thought
• 1:58:19
  they're exactly like that. They're like they they're all they speak at double entendres
• 1:58:25
  and they're like, well, I told you what to do, like what
• 1:58:28
  you're talking about? No, dude, Mama thought they were like way more
• 1:58:31
  like Bow is Afraid. But yeah, so like the movie definitely ends with
• 1:58:36
  a jerome twist. Dude, dude, Oh dude, there's so many twists.
• 1:58:42
  Yeah, and Jeff in this scene, what did you think of Jeff?
• 1:58:46
  I thought Jeff Jeff's commitment to being like an agro dude who gets his
• 1:58:53
  revenge was fitting with the character. And I thought that it was kind of
• 1:58:57
  amazing. And like, I I think that like he didn't learn his lesson,
• 1:59:02
  and because of that, everyone died, including Jigsaw. Getting his next
• 1:59:06
  slice dude, and his daughter wasn't important because his daughter ends up dying as
• 1:59:14
  well because she's in a trap some way. Yeah, for sure, with
• 1:59:18
  no air, he Handsome a tape. The tape tells him that his daughter
• 1:59:23
  is not important to him. Yeah, and he Jigsaws Jigsaw. How many
• 1:59:27
  Jigsaws would you give this? I mean, okay, I would give this
• 1:59:30
  how many hacksaws, dude? Yeah, how many Hacksaws would you give?
• 1:59:33
  I would give it a I would give the movie a seven point eight Hacksaws
• 1:59:38
  out of ten and a strong maybe I'll give it a fucking eight, dude.
• 1:59:43
  I'll give it an eight point five. Dude. It's a good movie.
• 1:59:45
  Eight point five. Wow, Okay, okay, a seven point five
• 1:59:49
  in as a movie, as an eight point five in the series, because
• 1:59:54
  it's pretty exciting and it continues the lore and it's exciting. It's like interesting,
• 1:59:58
  man, it's like a fucking wicked movie. Dude. Like Amanda is
• 2:00:00
  amazing. All of this ship is amazing, Dude, it's amazing. You
• 2:00:05
  know what I think I'm gonna go. I think I'm gonna say the same
• 2:00:08
  thing. I think I'm gonna give it. Jake Saw is amazing. He's
• 2:00:13
  the best that he's ever been. Yeah, totally, he's the He's so
• 2:00:17
  narcissistic Machiavelli. And we know you know that we like, like love people
• 2:00:23
  like this, dude, like Mama and fucking Kanye West who are just like
• 2:00:27
  unhinged like this and like making schemes and machiavilion plans and think that like it's
• 2:00:32
  amazing, dude, but it's also horrible and abusive and on Instagram at on
• 2:00:43
  Twitter, and guys, please become patrons and support the work we do,
• 2:00:46
  like this amazing series that we're doing like so quickly in successions. It's pretty
• 2:00:53
  it's pretty exciting, dude. It's I'm so excited about Thirsty for Saw,
• 2:00:57
  Dude, it's amazing so much that I'm visiting. I'm the oldest boy.
• 2:01:01
  That's how much succession we're doing. It's true, and I am Gendle.
• 2:01:06
  Are you Roman? Yeah, but yeah, I'm just saying that, but
• 2:01:13
  but yeah I'm probably Roman, yeah for sure, and I'm probably I'm definitely
• 2:01:16
  kinder. I'm the oldest boy. Ed. Okay, I have to go,
• 2:01:23
  but it was great and I'll talk to you next week about Soft four
• 2:01:27
  dude, and I have a story about this one. So let's get to
• 2:01:30
  it, all right, all right, see, Yeah, I'm gonna watch
• 2:01:32
  it all right, by bye. That's one. That's one. Bye.
• 2:01:35
  Mhm h m hmm.