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The Late Debate | 15 October · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Late Debate. Good evening,
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  Speaker 1: I'm James McPherson with Jo Hildebrand and Michelle Stevenson. And
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  Speaker 1: can I say, Caleb Bond has the worst taste in cars.
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  Speaker 2: He honestly does.
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  Speaker 3: A Citroën?
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  Speaker 4: Is that like an actual matchbox car?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It looked that way. If you're going to get
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  Speaker 1: a car, Caleb, get a Lamborghini or a Ferrari.
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  Speaker 4: Get a Land Cruiser, Caleb.
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  Speaker 2: Get something with a bit of grunt.
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  Speaker 4: Honestly.
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  Speaker 1: That segment, frankly, offended me.
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  Speaker 4: It did offend me. My Land Cruiser could literally just
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  Speaker 4: roll over that Citroen like a monster truck. It's just... Honestly, Kate,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this is the thing. Because he's such a
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  Speaker 4: debonair sort of quintessential, you know, continental gentleman, I think
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  Speaker 4: it's sort of, you know, the pocket square sort of
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  Speaker 4: guides him towards these sort of lifestyle choices. It's shifted out. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We love Caleb Bond. Yeah, we do. And Danika will
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  Speaker 1: be back on The Late Debate next week. Awesome. Jo
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  Speaker 1: and Michelle, it's been great having you guys as part
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  Speaker 1: of it.
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  Speaker 2: I know. I think you're very much looking forward to
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  Speaker 2: next week.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, it'll be good to have you back. I have
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  Speaker 4: to get back to my new family, so.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into tonight's show. Here's what's coming up. Things
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  Speaker 1: go from bad to worse for Donald Trump's new White
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  Speaker 1: House press secretary. After her stuttering and stumbling debut yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: it's emerged today she went to law school but failed
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  Speaker 1: the bar exam. Then again, does it really matter? There's
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  Speaker 1: a major scandal in Victoria after it's been revealed the
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  Speaker 1: Labor government paid more than $ 257 million to businesses that
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  Speaker 1: were ineligible to receive assistance during the COVID pandemic. And
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  Speaker 1: speaking of bombshell reports, a major US investigation has found
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  Speaker 1: that major banks closed accounts and refused credit to pro-life
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  Speaker 1: and religious groups that were out of favour. with the
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  Speaker 1: Biden administration. We'll get to all of that shortly. But first,
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  Speaker 1: here's a story to put you off ever owning an
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  Speaker 1: investment home. A landlord in Queensland is struggling to regain
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  Speaker 1: possession of her property after the last tenant moved out
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  Speaker 1: but sold the keys to a woman for $ 3, 000 who
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  Speaker 1: then just moved in. The unauthorized tenant has been living
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  Speaker 1: there for about a week and refuses to leave. Worse,
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  Speaker 1: she's trashed the place. Now, police have reportedly said there's
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  Speaker 1: nothing they can do. They simply referred the landlord to
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  Speaker 1: the Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal. They helpfully said they
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  Speaker 1: could do something, but not without the squatter's full name.
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  Speaker 1: And would you believe it? The squatter is refusing to
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  Speaker 1: supply her full name. When the landlord tried the Residential
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  Speaker 1: Tenancies Authority, they advised they could take action against the
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  Speaker 1: previous tenant, the one who sold the keys, but not
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  Speaker 1: against the squatter. Meanwhile, the squatter has allegedly sent a
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  Speaker 1: message to the landlord saying, and I quote, F you
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  Speaker 1: and your silly dumb police friends. I'm staying here forever.
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  Speaker 1: Why are you guys laughing? Why would you buy a
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  Speaker 1: rental property? I mean, they want us to have more
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  Speaker 1: rental properties. Why would you invest in one when this
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  Speaker 1: is the way you get treated?
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  Speaker 4: It is absolutely insane. But it's kind of firstly, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: back in the day, I knew a few squatters and
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  Speaker 4: none of them had the get up and go. This
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  Speaker 4: is a real self-starter for someone who is basically a
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  Speaker 4: sort of, you know, drain on society. They really do
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  Speaker 4: show quite a striking amount of initiative and energy. But
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  Speaker 4: it is just, I just find it bonkers. So under
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  Speaker 4: the law, squatters do have rights. If you occupy a
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  Speaker 4: property consistently across a period of time, then there is
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  Speaker 4: not necessarily any legal recourse to be able to remove you.
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  Speaker 4: It's the old saying, possession is nine tenths of the law. However,
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  Speaker 4: the threshold, and I just checked these, the threshold in
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  Speaker 4: Queensland and most Australian states to meet that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I've been living here, therefore it's mine, requirement is 12 years.
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  Speaker 4: It is not checks, notes, one week.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what the police are saying that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, apparently you need an urgent tribunal order in order
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  Speaker 3: for the police to get involved. And it's not just
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  Speaker 3: like Queensland that deals with this. This is like pretty
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  Speaker 3: much Australia wide. But what we need to do is
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  Speaker 3: look at systems and mechanisms to put in place to
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  Speaker 3: allow police to give them special powers to have more access.
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  Speaker 3: The reason why it's there is to stop, you know,
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  Speaker 3: people from just evicting their tenants using police. It's like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in the US where you get a sheriff to, like,
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  Speaker 3: go around and just kick people out. They're trying to
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  Speaker 3: stop that from happening, but the problem is the pendulum
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  Speaker 3: has gone too far to the other side. I will say, though,
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  Speaker 3: there are a few questions about this story because the
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  Speaker 3: $ 3, 000 keys, apparently the owner went online to where she
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  Speaker 3: claimed that she got the $ 3, 000.
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  Speaker 2: She didn't even see the ad on there.
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  Speaker 3: So I think this person has literally just, like, gone in.
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  Speaker 4: It's so elaborate.
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  Speaker 2: It's so elaborate.
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  Speaker 1: But I think people.
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  Speaker 4: And where does a squatter get three grand from?
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  Speaker 2: Like, that's what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Like, it's not even making sense. So I think, you know,
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of questions. And I think, you know,
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  Speaker 3: eventually this person is going to, of course, get the
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  Speaker 3: house back.
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  Speaker 1: The frustration of having known someone in Queensland who went
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  Speaker 1: through a similar ordeal, you just get pushed from one
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  Speaker 1: bureaucratic organisation to another.
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  Speaker 2: For sure.
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, you talk about bureaucracies, but at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the day, you're dealing with a person on
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  Speaker 1: the end of the phone, right? But God forbid you'd
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  Speaker 1: find a person in the bureaucracy who actually says, look,
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  Speaker 1: I will personally take responsibility for your problem. Let me
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  Speaker 1: solve this for you. They just duck shove you to
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  Speaker 1: somebody else's in trade. Meanwhile, you're left with mortgage. You're
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  Speaker 1: left with damage to your property. You're left with lost income.
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  Speaker 1: On and on it goes. And just nobody cares.
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  Speaker 4: Except me, because I still kind of think it's the
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  Speaker 4: perfect crime. Like, this person has found... I feel sorry
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  Speaker 4: for the owner, obviously.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 4: But this person has found the ultimate loophole and just
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  Speaker 4: weaved their way through. They've got the key, apparently the
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  Speaker 4: only one. They know that Queensland's VCAT can't... QCAT can't
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  Speaker 4: evict her without knowing who she is, so she just
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  Speaker 4: never tells anyone who she is, never gives her name.
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  Speaker 4: And she's just stuck, blissfully in her case... in this
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  Speaker 4: sort of perfect closed-loop limbo.
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  Speaker 1: If you had a rental property that was, for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 1: sitting vacant for any period of time.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not rich. I'm not rich.
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  Speaker 1: You would pretty much have to visit it every few
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  Speaker 1: days to make sure nobody's somehow got through a window
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  Speaker 1: or something because if someone gets in there... then your
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  Speaker 1: hands are tied and you're screwed.
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  Speaker 3: This is one of those things that the guy, I
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  Speaker 3: think his name is the Purple Pingers, who's trying to
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  Speaker 3: free up more space for rentals because there are a
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  Speaker 3: massive amount of houses that sit vacant for a very
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  Speaker 3: long time. And I think what he was trying to
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  Speaker 3: say is people should just move in there because what
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  Speaker 3: it's going to do is it's going to force the
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  Speaker 3: owners to do something with these properties.
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  Speaker 2: So I do.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure if I'm taking my financial advice from
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  Speaker 4: a guy called Purple Pingers. I know the guy you're
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  Speaker 4: talking about.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: He was on the project saying, hey, guys, let's all
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  Speaker 4: become squatters.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally he was.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting that, but there is.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of property that goes out there and just
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  Speaker 3: sits vacant for years on end.
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  Speaker 1: Which is a prerogative of the owner, is it not?
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  Speaker 1: That's called private property.
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  Speaker 4: No, there are measures. I think there already are some.
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  Speaker 4: There have been in previous federal budgets basically use it
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  Speaker 4: or lose it provisions, which I agree with.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with.
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  Speaker 4: The last thing you want is people just buying up
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  Speaker 4: a property, be it commercial or private, and just kicking back,
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  Speaker 4: waiting for it to appreciate in value and then selling
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  Speaker 4: it without value adding to it. So that's why you
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  Speaker 4: see all these ugly empty shops and empty lots on
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  Speaker 4: main roads that sort of scar the landscape and that's
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  Speaker 4: why you've got all these houses that are just sitting empty.
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  Speaker 4: So you pay a much higher rate of tax on
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  Speaker 4: an empty property that no one is using than you
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  Speaker 4: do on an occupied one.
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  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I could see James' head explode, the amount,
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  Speaker 3: the exact point when we said, we agree with this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you guys started agreeing with Purple Fingers, I'm thinking,
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  Speaker 1: Danika and Caleb, come back.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: We can't wait till Monday. No, I'm not listening to
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  Speaker 4: anyone who you would have to call in a formal
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  Speaker 4: setting Mr Fingers.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not mad about it.
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  Speaker 3: Look, speaking of Victoria, because that's where Purple Pingas is
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  Speaker 3: apparently residing.
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  Speaker 4: If you're looking for him. What a surprise. You did
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  Speaker 4: not need to explain that. I think everyone assumed that
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  Speaker 4: he was from Victoria.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so, well, speaking of Victoria, IBAC, what a day
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  Speaker 3: it was. And I love this story, particularly because... Any
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to kind of have a boot into Dan Andrews
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  Speaker 3: and the absolute mess he has made of Victoria, I
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  Speaker 3: am all here for.
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  Speaker 2: So today's iBack was... Drumroll, they.
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  Speaker 3: Exposed a $ 285 million COVID government cover-up in Victoria. So
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  Speaker 3: the IBAC report identified that approximately $ 257 million was paid
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  Speaker 3: to more than 9,000 ineligible businesses under the Business Costs
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  Speaker 3: Assistance Program. Now, apparently these places hadn't actually even been
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  Speaker 3: in operational business for over three years. So let's hear
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  Speaker 3: what Jess Wilson, Leader of the Opposition, had to.
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  Speaker 2: Say about this.
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  Speaker 6: We've got a report from IBAC today identifying more corruption
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  Speaker 6: and more misuse of taxpayer money. But to be perfectly honest,
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  Speaker 6: I think that Victorians have just become accustomed to hearing
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  Speaker 6: that there is corruption under this Labor government. It's just
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  Speaker 6: more evidence of a government that has mismanaged taxpayer money
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  Speaker 6: and more evidence that corruption is rife. Corruption is in
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  Speaker 6: Labor's DNA.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, she's not wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Corruption is in Labor's DNA, particularly what we're seeing down
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  Speaker 3: in Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: Now, what had happened.
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  Speaker 3: Was a lot of the workers, the department workers, apparently
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  Speaker 3: weren't informing their ministers of this issue. They saw that
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  Speaker 3: it had happened and they decided to quietly just, you know,
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  Speaker 3: kick the can down the road or hide it a
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  Speaker 3: little because they didn't want to share it with anyone because.
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  Speaker 2: They were afraid.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's hear what Premier Ben Carroll had to say
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  Speaker 3: when it was put to him about the fear.
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  Speaker 1: Disappointed. I've never yelled at a public servant in my
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  Speaker 1: life and I never will. I respect them. It's why I've.
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  Speaker 4: Been very clear to the head of my department that
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  Speaker 4: we act on these reports and we act on them immediately.
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  Speaker 3: So he's going to act, poor Ben Carroll, he's been
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  Speaker 3: cleaning up a lot lately. I feel like he just
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  Speaker 3: needs a dustpan and brush and he just needs to
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  Speaker 3: stand there and say, what do you want me to
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  Speaker 3: clean up next, Victoria?
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  Speaker 7: What do you reckon?
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  Speaker 4: It's like the show about the crime scene, the crime
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  Speaker 4: scene clean-ups, they have to put on the giant white
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  Speaker 4: hazmat suits and sort of... haul out all these rotting, decomposing,
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  Speaker 4: bubbling corpses.
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  Speaker 2: That's all he does.
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  Speaker 4: Which is literally what he's doing.
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  Speaker 1: There's two issues here, right? The first is the culture
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  Speaker 1: of the Victorian Labor government where you've got public servants
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  Speaker 1: in fear of telling the truth to the minister because
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  Speaker 1: they don't want to be yelled at.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that would not be tolerated in any workplace.
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  Speaker 1: But here you've got public servants who are more concerned
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  Speaker 1: about the reaction of a government minister than about... taxpayer dollars.
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  Speaker 1: That's a big problem. And that's not the problem of
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  Speaker 1: public servants. That's a culture that was allowed to be
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  Speaker 1: perpetuated under Dan Andrews, then Jacinta Allen, and sorry, Ben Carroll,
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  Speaker 1: but you're sitting in the seat. And you had been
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  Speaker 1: part of that administration for a long time. So you
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  Speaker 1: can't claim you're the new guy. The second issue is
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  Speaker 1: when are we going to get a Royal Commission into
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  Speaker 1: the way the pandemic was handled? Because this would just
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  Speaker 1: be one of the little rodents. If you lifted the rock,
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  Speaker 1: you'd see all these things scurry out. You can only
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  Speaker 1: imagine all the stuff that we don't yet know about.
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  Speaker 1: And we will never know about until somebody has the
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  Speaker 1: courage to say, all right, we need to look at
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  Speaker 1: what happened. We're not just going to ignore it and
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  Speaker 1: move on. Some people need to be held accountable.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to split hairs a bit here, but
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  Speaker 4: I obviously despise the culture of the Victorian Labor Party
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  Speaker 4: under the left wing autocracy of Daniel Andrews. And He
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  Speaker 4: is someone who just came in and like a machine,
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  Speaker 4: just took over every single aspect of it and ended
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  Speaker 4: up controlling every single aspect of it. The left still
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  Speaker 4: have the numbers to this day. It's only because they
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  Speaker 4: have screwed it up so much that a part of
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  Speaker 4: the left faction is split to side with the right
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  Speaker 4: and thus elect Ben Carroll. And that's important because It
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  Speaker 4: was actually a fairly senior figure of the right who
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  Speaker 4: was the minister at the time that this happened, and
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  Speaker 4: a guy called Martin Pakula, who I like, and is
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  Speaker 4: actually one of the few sensible ministers in the Andrews government.
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  Speaker 4: And so I think, much like your good self, that
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  Speaker 4: the idea, and again, I mean, frankly, from the actions
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  Speaker 4: of these public servants, they did need to be yelled at.
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  Speaker 4: Like if they have stuffed up, you know, if they
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  Speaker 4: have stuffed up 285 million bucks worth of taxpayer money,
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  Speaker 4: wrongly paid to essentially ghost businesses, shell businesses.
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  Speaker 2: 9,000.
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  Speaker 4: To 9,000 of them, that's right. And then realised that
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  Speaker 4: they've done it and then cover it up because they're
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  Speaker 4: scared of being yelled at. Well, guess what? You should
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  Speaker 4: be yelled at. In fact, you should be fired. And so...
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  Speaker 4: The idea that this is the fault of, you know,
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  Speaker 4: a hot-tempered former minister, that is absolute bollocks. If I
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  Speaker 4: was a minister with the Victorian bureaucracy, as much as
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  Speaker 4: I know about it, I'd be furious 23 hours and
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  Speaker 4: 59 minutes out of every single day.
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  Speaker 3: But we all know they're not going to get fired
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  Speaker 3: because public servants can't get fired.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean, what is the problem here?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you might get yelled at, your feelings might get hurt,
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  Speaker 3: you might have to take a mental health day.
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  Speaker 1: The extent of the stuff up, 21.6% of the money
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  Speaker 1: allocated went to ineligible businesses. It's wild. This wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: small problem. Of the $ 108 million that... Sorry, 100... Let
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  Speaker 1: me rephrase. They've recovered $ 8 million so far of all
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  Speaker 1: this money that has been wrongly allocated. There's another $ 5
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  Speaker 1: million on a payment plan. Yeah. But there's no suggestion that,
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  Speaker 1: beyond that, Victorian taxpayers will recoup... Any more?
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  Speaker 3: Jess Wilson has come out today and she did go
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  Speaker 3: hard on this and did say that she would do
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  Speaker 3: everything in her power to claw back that taxpayer money. But, look,
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  Speaker 3: I think if Jess spends.
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  Speaker 4: Once it's gone, it's gone.
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  Speaker 3: I know, but also if Jess spends her whole time
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  Speaker 3: trying to claw back taxpayer money that has just disappeared
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  Speaker 3: in the wind, she would never get anything else done
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  Speaker 3: because that government just wasted money hand over fist and
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  Speaker 3: there's been no accountability. Teflon Dan has got away with
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  Speaker 3: so much. But, sure, let's give him a statue.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if that statue
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  Speaker 4: is actually going to manifest itself. The last photos I
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  Speaker 4: saw of Teflon Dan, it's not the sort of figure
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  Speaker 4: that you'd want to put in bronze, let's put it
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  Speaker 4: that way. But, yeah, a great shame that the Victorian
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  Speaker 4: government has been and the bureaucracy has been brought undone
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  Speaker 4: by this scandal after they did such a great job
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  Speaker 4: with hotel quarantine. LAUGHTER Really marred their legacy. Now, another
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  Speaker 4: Labor minister who's done absolutely nothing wrong is Annika Wells.
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  Speaker 4: The Coalition, for reasons I cannot possibly fathom, is calling
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  Speaker 4: for the communications minister to resign after she failed to
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  Speaker 4: produce any evidence of a meeting with the South Australian
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  Speaker 4: health minister.
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  Speaker 4: That happened to coincide with her spending $ 4, 000 of taxpayer
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  Speaker 4: money on a plane flight there that just happened to
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  Speaker 4: be at the same time as the South Australian Health
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  Speaker 4: Minister's wife's birthday party and which Annika Wells, unfortunately, was
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  Speaker 4: obliged to stay at because the meeting that there was
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  Speaker 4: no evidence of got delayed so she couldn't get a
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  Speaker 4: flight home safely. early enough and had to stay the
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  Speaker 4: night and and i suppose out of you know not
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  Speaker 4: wanting to put any pressure on the taxpayer person why
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  Speaker 4: well why you know why pay for a hotel when
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  Speaker 4: there's this party going on just down the road i
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  Speaker 4: can go to i'm sure she probably actually didn't stay
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  Speaker 4: in a hotel anyway but i mean these all this
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  Speaker 4: this scandal they're now saying you know oh we can't
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  Speaker 4: find any evidence of the meeting it's not there it's
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  Speaker 4: in her diary which is convenient but not in his diary, so,
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  Speaker 4: you know, it takes two to tango. They say, I
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: don't know, maybe he's not very good at bookkeeping. But anyway,
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: here's Sarah Henderson being very uncharitable about what to me
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: is a clear-cut case of innocence.
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: She has clearly breached her travel entitlements. The meetings that
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: she said she held on the day of the birthday
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: party in Adelaide, the evidence is mounting that they were
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: concocted And that is a prima facie breach of the
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: ministerial standards. The prime minister should have stood his minister down.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: And it is a shocking reflection on his regard for
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: integrity that that has not happened.
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, just a terrible lack of imagination from
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: Sarah Henderson. I mean, you know, what if they had
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: the meeting at the party?
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: And it involves cake.
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: And it involves cake.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: It involves cake.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: I meet lots of people at parties, you know.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: So do I.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: All the time. I could say I had 20 meetings
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: at that party.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: And I love cake with my party meetings.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: Who doesn't love when you have coffee at a meeting?
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a new.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: What goes with coffee?
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: Cake.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, literally, party room. Like, they're caucusing in the
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: party room.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: This is a storm in a teacup. Champagne flute, as
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: the case may be.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Annika Wells is the communications minister. Her communications are very,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: very poor. I think she should be called the coincidence minister.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Because she seems to have quite a few coincidences. How
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: much political capital is Anthony Albanese prepared to spend defending this?
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: And can he afford... Has he got loose change to
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: spend on it?
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: I actually think.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: One of the things I like about Alba, and I
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: know we've said it before, is that he's loyal. He
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: picks and sticks. And I actually think that is a
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: good quality. I know that will probably send up a
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: lot of blood pressure.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: How is loyalty to alleged fraudulent behaviour with taxpayer money
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: a virtue?
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: I think, well, in Annika's case, and I like Annika Wells, I...
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: She's smart, obviously a lapse of judgment here in only
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: having the two meetings, but she should have had maybe
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: more and got people to write it in their diary.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: And it's sort of on a theme. I think there's
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: something programmed hardwired into the human or some human's DNA
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: that if you can get a freebie, you get it.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: You don't want to stick your hand in your own
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: pocket if you don't have to. And obviously that seems
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: to be what's happened here. She's already been shown to
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: have not spent the money properly with other sporting events
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: and taking her husband and stuff. But, you know, Andrew Giles,
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: for example, who was the minister who Albo really should
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: have cut loose and quickly when he basically sent the
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: government all at sea on its most sensitive issue, which is,
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: of course, immigration and asylum seeker detention. And that was
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: a policy issue that he simply couldn't manage in his
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: actual job as a minister, rather than a sort of
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: separate personal scandal, if you like. And Albo stuck by him.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Didn't Albo move him too? a portfolio of training or something? Yeah, yeah.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Which is the old adage, if you can't do, teach.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: Never been seen again. But again, Albo stuck by him
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: until the next cabinet reshuffle. lost a lot of political
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: skin over it. And unlike Giles, Annika Wells, I think,
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: is very, very smart.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: But can I just.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Say, time and time again, we are seeing these Labor ministers.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: We've now got Anne Alley. We've had multiple Labor ministers.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: You'd probably cut Anne Alley loose without it.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but, like, we're getting them caught out, not putting
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: their hands in their own pockets, but putting their hands
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: in the taxpayer pockets. to fund things that they could
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: easily afford themselves. These people aren't not earning a good dime.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: They're earning a good dime.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: But when it happens to the coalition ministers, they always
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: take the rap for it. They always will step down.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: We saw Susan Lee take the rap for it when
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: she got caught out. Like they always will say, sorry,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: my bad. And then they end up standing down or
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: taking some time away. But here, Labor, they just think
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: it's their goddamn right to do it. And that's what
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: makes me so mad because the rest of us are
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: really struggling.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: I'm struggling to pay rent.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I'm struggling to afford bills and groceries. And these guys
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: taking the absolute BISS.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: I think that's fair. But it's also... I think there's
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: a stronger culture of solidarity and pick and stick in
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: the Labor Party. And I think that.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: It needs to be called out, though, Joe. It needs
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: to be called out.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Probably solidarity, Joe. There's a strong sense of solidarity to
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: one another, but not to the Australian taxpayer. There's no
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: solidarity whatsoever. The people that they're supposed to be representing.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: Notwithstanding who falls on their sword and who doesn't, that's
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: the other thing with all these scandals, which is that
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: if an opposition pushes it too hard, you need someone like, say,
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: David Pocock, someone who's purer than the driven snow and,
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: you know... maybe not much fun to sit next to
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: at dinner parties, to really go after this when they
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: know they've got no skeletons in the closet. And, again,
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: it's happened again and again. We saw it all the
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: way back to the Howard years.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: We need to tighten this up.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: We need to tighten the mechanism up around this because
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: it's happening too much. Every day someone's rorting it.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: They keep doing it and it still keeps happening. I mean,
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: not to bring my beloved Chris Minns and the New
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: South Wales Labor Party into this.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, daddy.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: But there was... I mean, there was... You know, Jo Halen,
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: who's the transport minister, again, very competent minister, made a
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: foolish error in using taxpayer funds for a chauffeur-driven van.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: And Rose Jackson?
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: She's a great friend. Rose is a lovely person, but
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: she didn't do anything. She just happened to be in
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: the taxpayer fund. She didn't know where it was coming from.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Going to the Hunter Valley for a few drinks.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: But, again, so she had to stand down. She did
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: take the fall for it, to her credit, or MIDS
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: obviously wouldn't tolerate it. And then... Janelle Savant, the minister
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: who replaced her after.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: in a vacancy only caused by a travel fraud scandal,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: herself gets done.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: For travel warts.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: for travel warts, hitting up the hotel minibar. So, again,
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: there's just something hardwired into the DNA of.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: OK, so... Labor. If Anthony Albanese is going to stick
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: with Annika Wells, will Donald Trump stick with Katie Zachariah,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: his newly announced White House press secretary? Because... She had
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: a pretty bad first day, I think we can all agree.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: And now it's been revealed that though she went to
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: law school and though she's described herself as a lawyer, indeed,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Trump has introduced her as an attorney. She never actually
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: passed the bar exam. She's now become the butt of
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: all sorts of jokes, not least from Jimmy Kimmel, who
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: had this to say about her.
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: We got a new White House press secretary.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Here he is.
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: His name is Dan Fitzsimmons. He's a Harvard graduate. He's
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: got a master's from the Columbia Journalism School. He's known
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: for his fair and thoughtful... Oh, wait, just kidding. This
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: is the new press secretary, former Newsmax commentator Katie Zachariah,
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: seen here thinking.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Um....
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: Katie met a number of qualifications for the job. She
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: has blonde hair. She can do a thumbs-up. And... end of list, really.
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: What else do you need? Where do they all get
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: that same face? Is that makeup or do they have
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: a machine that stamps it on?
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Now, Stephen Chung, who's the White House spokesperson, is defending
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Katie Zachariah. He's told the media she is uniquely qualified
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: and whip-smart to help inform the American people about all
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: the great things President Trump and his administration have been
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: doing And she will do an incredible job as press secretary.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I guess the incredible job will probably start tomorrow. Yeah.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: How do we feel? I mean, it's easy to make jokes, right?
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: And the joke is she's pretty. Yeah. So, gee, if
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: that's the worst they can say about you, Katie, then
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: you're probably doing pretty well. It's not that.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: It's not that. I think it's... You know, you can
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: be smart and you can know what it is you're
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: meant to be doing. But as we all know, it's
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: not easy to get up and talk to people, especially
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: when there's cameras on you and you've got a lot
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: of focus on you.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: We manage to do it and we do it okay.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: We make it look easy.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: We make it look easy.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, the thing is she watched the late debate
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: and she goes, I can do that.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: No, but I think where it's starting to fall apart
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: for her is the bar exam. It's the lying.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Like, I could have, like, let her get away with
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: the fact that she wasn't particularly good at presenting.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Like, that is really, really tough.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: But, like, when people ask you a direct question and
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: you just go, China, like, making up some kind of
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: side story.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: So that was the doorstop interview the other day with
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Trump and she was asked.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Where did she pass the bar exam? And she goes,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I was living in China.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: She now claims that she didn't hear the question correctly
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: because the presidential helicopter was making noises and she thought
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: they said, where did you go after the bar exam? Sure.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: But she never passed a bar exam.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: She did not.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: So the whole thing is not adding up.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: So she's worked in legal firms... but ever as a
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: qualified lawyer.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Even Kim Kardashian passed the bar exam.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Kim Kardashian.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: What do you mean even Kim Kardashian? This is the thing.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: I love Kim. This kind of, you know, do we
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: call it slut-shaming or body-shaming? What am I body-shaming Kim Kardashian? Oh,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: come on, no. I'm the only feminist on this panel, clearly.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Are you serious? Clearly I'm the only feminist. No, because,
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: you know, Jimmy Kimmel's... I know better than anyone, and
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: you should know too, Michelle, that you can be incredibly
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: good looking and intelligent at the same time.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Do you know that?
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: I do know that.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: People tell you.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: I know it from what you might call lived experience.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: But I don't want to be the human side because
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: I actually thought that was Jimmy Kimmel actually being very funny.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: No, he was funny.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: Which is not all the time. But again, if the
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: right did that about some hot left chick and said, oh,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: she must be really stupid because she's good-looking, there would be...
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: Imagine Twitter that night.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but she is.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Actually not that good and not that bright. So I
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: think that's the problem.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: No, that's a.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I think that's the problem.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: And the other thing with that.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: By the way, she wasn't Donald Trump's pick, as I
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: understand it.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Well, now he's going to fire whoever his picker was.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Possibly, yeah.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: I bet that story's doing the rounds now. Just to
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: be absolutely.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Clear, I think Trump had nothing to do with it.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: He tweeted it late last night.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: But the thing with the bar exam, though, and I
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: think you are right about that, is that... Do you
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: know the story of Van Halen and the Brown M & Ms?
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: No.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: Okay, so there's a famous classic story in the 80s
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: that every time Van Halen did a show, they demanded
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: that they get a bowl of M & M' s that
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: would be left backstage, but with all the brown ones removed.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: And everyone thought this is just an urban legend or
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: this is just rock stars being rock stars and just
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: demanding crazy things just as they could. And it came
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: out much later. David Lee Roth did an interview and said,
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: we did that because this is like section 128 or
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: something of a contract that has all these other important
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: things about the specifications of the electricity, the power, the cabling,
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: where the scaffolding needs to go for all the big stunts,
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: all the big pyro techniques and everything. And he said,
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: we put that in there because all these things are
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: a matter of life and death. And if they're not
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: done exactly right, then someone could die. And if we
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: see brown M & Ms in the bowl backstage, we
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: know that the promoter hasn't read the full contract and
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: that something else somewhere is wrong. And I think the
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: bar exam is the brown M & M.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: The bar exam is if you lie about that for
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: no reason, what else are you lying about?
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Well, but also, I.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Mean, does it really matter? I do feel like no
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: one really cares. She'll just end up being another casualty.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: After the brown M & M story, can we say
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: she's obviously not a smarty?
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Oh, that was, you know what, that was fantastic.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: That was actually really, really good.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: I'll pay that. I thought you were just good looking,
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: but now you're good looking and smart.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Okay, sticking in the US, now I saw this story
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: and I just could not believe it. Major banks had
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: closed accounts of MAGA, Pro-Life and conservative groups disfavoured by
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: the Biden administration. Now, the debanking review by the Office
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: of the Controller... It's a debanking.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: It's a word.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: of the Office of the Controller of the Currency investigated
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: 100,000 complaints and scrutinised 50,000 internal bank records to reveal
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: how customers were debanked.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Based purely on their political, social or religious beliefs.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: JP Morgan, Chase, Bank of America, Citibank, Wells Fargo, US Bank,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Capital One, PNC, TD Bank and BMO Bank were found
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: to have discriminated against American consumers, citing reputation risk as
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: a reason to deny service between 2020 and 2025. Now,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: the reason why I find this fascinating is because you
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: know what other two countries do this to their people?
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Nicaragua and Venezuela.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: So the US is... It's the US invaded.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And now 51st and 52nd state.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: This has also happened in the UK. Remember, Nigel Farage
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: famously had banking problems after they denied him accounts.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Or maybe that's... because Nigel Farage might have just had
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: banking problems.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: No, he was deliberately targeted. Wasn't he complaining because he
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: was trying to withdraw a large amount of cash and
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: they asked him what it was for and he said,
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: how dare you?
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: How dare you?
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Sorry, go on. Anyway, sorry.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: That's fine.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Independent banking regulators operate laws that are passed by Congress
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: over in the US. So that's how this is, like,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: able to kind of get around. Because, you know, every
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: other country has independent banking regulators.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: The US does. But the difference is, in the US,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: they operate under Congress.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: So.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: I don't understand how this could possibly be legal, how
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: you could.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: I just explained it. Congress basically controls it.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: But how can... So Congress just says.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Well, I guess they can just say that they're deemed
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: a risk. So from a bank's perspective.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: So.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: Congress just gives them a list and says, here are all.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: These people who are not allowed.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that's the assertion, is that Biden was
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: behind all this.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's been proven.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: So some of the people who were said to have
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: caused reputational risk were people who were pro-life... People who
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: had concerns about LGBTQ activism, people who promoted traditional family
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: values were deemed to be a reputational risk. A non-profit
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: religious group that opposed same-sex marriage was deemed to be
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: a reputational risk to certain banks or financial institutions who
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: then denied them services.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Absolutely outrageous.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: It's crazy. I mean, we don't have the sort of,
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: written Bill of Rights in Australia. But the whole thing
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: about the US is they've got a constitution and a
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: Bill of Rights that itemises just about bloody everything. Surely
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: this would violate one of their... What it.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Doesn't violate is that the whole ESG, you know, your environment,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: social and governance policies, and so many organisations have this now,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: and then they use that as a filter to view
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: their customers. And so, you know, if you have certain
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: views that are politically unpopular... well, that doesn't fit within
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: our environment, social or governance policy. So you're out. The
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: hypocrisy of major corporations here who are always banging on
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: about their commitment to diversity and then they're debanking, defunding.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: De-customering is a word I just invented. People who have
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: traditional American values.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: The whole thing's wild to me, but I do think
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: the system, the banking system in the US has always
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: been flawed. And this just kind of really proves the
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: point that it can be easily manipulated for political purposes.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: It's so strange. Even in Australia, this would fall foul
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: of anti-discrimination laws. It just staggers me that the home
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: of the free doesn't have some kind of mechanism. Although
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: maybe they didn't know. Maybe they just thought, oh, this
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: is taking a long time.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: But we're a little bit more stringent over here on
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: lots of things.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: We have a few more checks and balances.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: But don't we have... environmental organisations protesting and lobbying and
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: trying to persuade banks not to lend money to corporations
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: that are involved in the coal industry? What's the difference?
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess it's just a bit different to not allow...
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: There's a difference between sort of where you do business
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: and where you invest and actually banning someone from having
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: an account, which you could argue, you know, in some...
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, having a bank account is basically a necessity
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: for life.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: But banks won't lend to certain... because of their involvement
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: in fossil fuels.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: But again, that's a bit different. You don't have a
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: right to get money from... I have no right that
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: a bank has to lend me money if I want to.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: There's all sorts of others there. But I think the
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: bank saying, no, we refuse to let you have a
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: bank account, that's something entirely different, because without a bank account,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: you cannot actually participate in the economy. And so that's
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: clearly a violation of.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: If you can't loan funds, you can't participate in the economy,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: even if it's a sound financial... plan.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess so. You can still, in theory, go
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: and get a job somewhere and pay your way through life.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: But again, it would be like not having access to
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: the internet.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: But I do think like if you're a country and
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: you're aligning yourself or putting yourself in the same echelon
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: as Venezuela and Nicaragua, then we have a serious problem.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I think obviously Trump sees a lot of
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: synergy between the US and Venezuela. So that's why this
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: That's why he's annexing them. Hang on a second.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: We're talking about the Biden administration.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, it was the Biden administration.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, whatever.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: They're all the same. It's all the uni party. Haven't
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: you heard Pauline Hanson? It's all the uni party. Before
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: we go, I just wanted to, while we're still in America,
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: I just want to take you to this incredible town
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: hall debate in CNN. It's the middle of the midterms.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: The US in particular just loves these things. They have
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: all these town halls. so-called town hall debates. They're not
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: necessarily actually at town halls, confusingly enough, something I learnt today.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: They're done in big TV studios.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: And this one was with CNN. And the Democratic candidate,
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: who is a Christian seminarian but who is also pro-choice,
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: a difficult tightrope to walk in a country where abortion
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: is probably the number one hot-button social issue alongside gun control,
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: James Tallarico was quote-unquote ruthlessly fact-checked by an audience member
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: after claiming the Bible is silent on abortion. The heckler said,
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: what about the Ten Commandments? You know, the one that
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: says thou shalt not kill?
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Slam dunk, drop the mic moment. That shut him up
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: fairly quickly. I love these people who say I'm not
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: a Christian and But if Jesus was looking at this issue,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Jesus would do this and that's what you must do.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: And so they use Christianity or continually redefine it for
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: their own political purposes.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, but have no idea.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: He is a Christian. That's the amazing thing. He is
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: a Christian and he's saying, I'm still pro-choice because there's
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: nothing about it. And again, if you don't think of
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: freedom as a human life, don't send your letters to me.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: But if you don't think it's a life, then thou
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: shalt not kill does not apply. Another little loophole.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: But then define life. Define what is life.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: The Queensland squatter is listening to this and going, oh,
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: my God, I can see my way through this one.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Can I just say, no-one ever said to the pregnant woman,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: I'm having a baby. Define life. No-one ever says that
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: to her. It's not really a baby yet.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: It's just a bunch of cells.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: It's just a bunch of cells. I'm joking, guys. Don't
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: email me.
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: All our emails are switched off.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Let's go to the break. When we come back, we'll
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: look at what's making headlines tomorrow, including a Green senator
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: in a little bit of hot water. That's next. Alright,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: let's take a look at what's making headlines tomorrow. And Michelle,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: the Greens in a spot of hot water. I know.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: The Australian.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: This is a cracker of a yarn and you knew
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: I was all over this. I was messaging you guys
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: saying we've got to discuss this but the papers are
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: all over it.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Get the popcorn out.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Greens culture on trial sleaze probe.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Now, Greens leader David Shoebridge is facing accusations the party
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: turned a blind eye to complaints against WA Senator Jordan
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Steele-John over alleged misconduct towards women over the past decade,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: despite the minor party long presenting itself as a bastion
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: of equity and integrity. Explosive allegations over the behaviour of
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Senator Steele-John while in the presence of women were... were
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: revealed by Senator Shoebridge on Thursday, who said he had
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: received a letter earlier this week.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Urging the Greens to take action.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Now, this is a very... And we're not going to
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: hear the end of this for quite some time. So,
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: of course, he's denying all the claims and apparently there
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: was seven women who have made the allegations dating back
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: to 2018 into the Young Greens.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, there's a lot going on here.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: It's a tough start for David Shoebridge, who's been on
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: the front foot, right? I mean, he's been taking it
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: up to Anthony Albanese and he's got the Greens on
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: the front pages of the papers. They're still on the
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: front pages of the papers, just not in the way
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: that David Shoebridge had been hoping.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Can I also point out quickly as well, when he
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: had to give a press conference today and the first
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: thing he spoke about was something completely different and then
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: he segued into this. And I'm thinking, as a female.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: Is there something different, Israel?
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but, like, as a female.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: This is actually.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: But as a female, this is probably the most pressing,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: important thing for you to address, and he decided to...
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: tell everyone what he was doing and kicking the government
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: and holding them to account before he even got to this.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: And I found that really perplexing.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: How can you say that this is important when thousands
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: of Palestinians are being killed in a state of apartheid
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: and genocide?
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Anyway.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: Anyway, yeah, just the Greens' holier-than-thou stance and some of the...
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: I was speaking to a former Green, actually, earlier today.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of former Greens.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: And there's a lot of former Greens, and my gosh, the...
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: stories that they can tell. But it's always good to
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: see someone who is holier than thou being shown down.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: And the first ones who were, like, railing against the Swans,
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: for sure, you know.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: And a real dilemma for people who are obsessed with
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: identity politics as well, it's like, I don't know, which
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: identity is the more oppressed one?
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know. So confused.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: OK, the second story that I'm going to highlight on
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: the Oz. My grandies deserve this. Finally a probe into
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: murdered kids.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Now, the West Australian government has buckled to weeks of pressure.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: And called an inquest into the 2022 murders of three
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: young Indigenous children in Port Hedland, with grieving grandmother Dorothy
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Papertalk vowing all the secrets which led to the deaths
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: of her grandies must come out. Beaming with happiness after
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: WA Attorney-General Tony Booty said personally, reviewing truly heartbreaking files
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: had forced the government to change its mind.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Stance.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Ms Papertalk said she wanted to make sure the devastating
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: failures of child protection authorities in the Pilbara were never repeated. Again,
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: more great work from the Oz on this. They're like
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: a dog with a bone and I'm so glad that
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: we're trying to get somewhere.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: If it wasn't for the Australian newspaper, there would be no... No.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: No, that's the thing.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Which is a great credit to the Australian newspaper and
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: a great shame and a great... What's the word I'm.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Looking for here?
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: Carriage of misjustice?
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: It's a stain on the government that has taken journalists
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: to make this happen when they have had evidence of
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: this but been very reluctant.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: And they kept turning a blind eye.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: They kept showing them evidence and they're like, no, that's.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Not what we're saying. My caseworker said everything was fine.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: Anyway.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: I said, hey, are you responsible for this terrible mess
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: over here? Oh, no, it's not a mess. They're going great. Oh, OK.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: Daily Telegraph has obviously just gone huge on these shock
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: job numbers that came out today. Unemployment surge. Jim's done
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: a job on us, says the headline. 40,000 fewer people
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: in work as businesses suffer. My old friend John Rolfe,
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: my former chief of staff. I think he might have
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: been my first chief of staff when I was at
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: Daily Telegraph.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: Jim Chalmers, economic management, is facing fresh scrutiny after the
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: country's jobs market suffered a shock reversal with almost 40,000
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: fewer people in work and accusations that runaway government spending
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: is keeping interest rates painfully high.
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: No.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: Who's saying that?
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: No.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: Are people saying that?
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: No-one's saying that.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Who's saying that?
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: No.
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: The number of unemployed Australians has climbed to 732,000 as
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: part-time employment plunges and businesses grapple with rising costs. And again,
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: I suppose... the low unemployment rate was one of the
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: shrinkingly few good stories that Jim Chalmers was able to
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: tell about how the economy was going. And now even
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: that narrative has slipped through his grasp.
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: Don't know if those prime ministerial ambitions are quite as.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: And the majority of these were all part-time as well.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: And as Senator Jane Hume pointed out, the IMF said
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: this was going to happen halfway through 2027.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Well, guess what? It's already happening.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: All right, front page of tomorrow's Herald Sun. AFL making
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: the front page, which is not unusual in Melbourne. Carlton
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: in trouble over drugs. Drug party fallout. Hospitalised Carlton footballer
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Lockie Cowan to cop a two-match ban. Well, teammate walks
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: away scot-free, blue-bagged is the headline. Carlton, if you don't realise,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: are called the blue-baggers, blue-bagged.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: My head was somewhere.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: We'll just move on, shall we, Joe? Carlton defender Lockie
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Cowan set to receive a two-match ban after coming clean
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: to the AFL about his drug use at a teammate's
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: house party. That's Will Hayward's house party on Saturday. Cowan,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: who's 21 years old, will be banned under the league's
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: conduct unbecoming rules. So, gee, the pre-season's only just begun.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: They're already.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, but they're celebrating.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: On a scale of 1 to 10, how happy are
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: you that this has happened to a Carlton player?
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Carlton are not likely to win a premiership any time
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: in the next 100 years, so as an opposition supporter,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: couldn't care less.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I've got to say, I could only, as an
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: Essendon supporter, and God knows... Oh, but Essendon hate Carlton.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: We could probably... I've got exactly right. But I have
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: to say, you know, knowing the way the Dons are going,
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: we could probably use some performance-enhancing drugs again. Like, we
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: were actually... It turns out it was the peptides were
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: the only thing that were keeping us going.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: You know, my cousin was, or is, Bruce Dool, the...
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Great centre-half back for Carlton. Yeah, the flying doormat.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: Phenomenal. There you go. We had the flying Dutchman, Paul Vanderhaar. Yeah,
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: that's right. Kicked a goal from centre-half back after just
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: chucking a few smarties, two smarties that the coach gave him, said,
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: these will take away your hangover. Great ball chat, guys.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Very quickly, also on the front page of the Herald Sun,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Libs abortion pledge. The coalition will match parts of Labor's
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: $ 30 million abortion access plan. An abortion access plan. In
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: other words, they're offering free abortions. That's what they're trying
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: to say. The coalition are going to match part of
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: the plan to stop the issue becoming an election flashpoint.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Opposition leader Jess Wilson will honour Labor's vow to cover
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: all costs for medical and surgical abortions up to 16 weeks.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: How to lose an election, Jess Wilson?
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Well, they were trying to wedge her hard with it today.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: And she's been wedged. And she's been wedged. It's a
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: tough one.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: It's not a tough one. It's politics.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: But I think in the scheme of IBAC, this is
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: like really not a big story.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: It is a big story for a lot of people
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: who care about this sort of thing. Is it?
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Like, I don't see it as.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm not.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: One of these people.
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: Well, I think it's one of these things. We're used
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: to seeing it being a big issue in America. It's
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: usually not here because everyone just sort of keeps.
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: It under the radar.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: But in recent years.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: It's becoming an issue.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: with the Chris Afuli government, their election.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Chris Afuli does not want to go near it.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Because he's afraid it'll have electoral consequences.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's never been an issue and I've never
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: spoken about it.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: It's never, like.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: It's never been on my radar of things that people
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: talk about when it comes to politics.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: All right, very quickly, Michelle, are we going to do
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: the Newcastle... Oh, sure.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Sorry, did you want to?
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Sure. Just quickly.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: We'll go to Newcastle here.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: A driver set to face the DPP. The agency that
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: prosecutes serious criminal offences in New South Wales has confirmed
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: it will take over the night's crowd crash case. Now,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: the decision means that the young man, the 18-year-old, the
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: driver allegedly behind the wheel of a BMW when it
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: struck 10 people at Wolves End on October 3rd, will
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: ultimately likely face a trial.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Or sentencing in Newcastle District Court. So, yes, a lot
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: going on there.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: All right, when we come back, we want to show
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: you some amazing footage of a jiu-jitsu expert who wrestles
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: a python. And we'll show you after the break who wins.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: It's quite incredible footage. That's next. Jiu-jitsu expert Mike Holston,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: who goes by the name The Real Tarzan, has decided
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: to wrestle a 19-foot python and narrowly avoided being squeezed
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: to death.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: I'm losing this battle, guys. For the first time, I've
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: met one that I can't beat. Jesus Christ, that was
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: close as I've been in a long time. They're being
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: wrapped up.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: That's what happens when you wrestle a python, you become
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: a Christian and start calling out to Jesus for help.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: Am I the only one who was on the python side?
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the thing is these pythons are actually a
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: real problem. They do actually snatch small dogs and animals and, like,
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: humans go missing.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: They eat them.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: They're massive.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: So what's his point, though?
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: Sorry?
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: What's his point?
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, he's trying to be a man.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: His point was to demonstrate that he's got a blue
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: belt in jiu-jitsu, the python has a black belt.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Pythons don't wear belts, guys, right?
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: You could make one into a belt.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Actually, they make a great belt.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: How do they hold up their trousers, then?
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, speaking of lame, cow versus train. I love this video.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: So somewhere in Australia, a train service in regional Australia
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: has had a close call with a cow, but the
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: cow actually outran the train, which was hilarious.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: You will see the cow in front of the train
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: any moment now. There we go. So you think the
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: cow's going to get hit. But wait.
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: But wait.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: But wait. But wait.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: There he is. He's fine.
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: He's fine.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: I've never known a cow to outrun a train.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: But I love the way the cow continues running straight
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: ahead on the track. How dumb is that cow?
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: Just moves slightly to the side.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: They're not smart. They are not smart.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's why, you know, that's why you have
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: cow tipping and not fox tipping.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: You know, you never... Anyway, it's unbelievable the cow got away.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: And a bit of an upset too because that night's
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: dinner was going to be spaghetti bolognese.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Well, he'll be milking that story for months. Oh, my gosh.
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: All right, now.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: I know that Caleb's not here, but I thought I'd
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: fill his incredibly large, overly large, surprisingly large shoes, because
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: now it's time for.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Now, I'm no expert on street crime, at least not anymore,
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: and I intend to abide by that court order. But
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: my tip for beginners is that if you are going
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: to go on a thieving tool heist, don't do it
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: on skateboard.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: My list is Porta Bansaw, Milwaukee Porta Bansaw.
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: That's what that is.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: Milwaukee Cut.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Here's a Sawzall.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: Milwaukee Sawzall.
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: Yep.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: This is where Rooster alerted to.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: So, in other words, the guy stole about one and
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: a half grand worth of tools from a van and
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: then slipped on a skateboard carrying said tools and slammed
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: into the van that he stole the tools out of. And, yes,
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: he is Californian.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: There you go. That's all you need to know. That's
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: all we've got time for tonight. Thank you, Joe and Michelle.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: It's been great.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: For being part of the latest debate. Loved it. Loved it.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: It's been fun. We'll be back Monday with Danika and Caleb.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Right now, James Morrow is hosting the Rita Pennehy show.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Good night.